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Hello, and welcome to the

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First Official

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at episode of Raviya

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and Ellen solve the cake. Hi, Raviya.

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Hi, Ellen. How are you? You look

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beautiful and amazing too.

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You're so cute.

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I am so happy hopefully,

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some people stuck around after our intro

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episode owed. And they know we're actually gonna talk about

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true crime and not just talk about, you

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know, our favorite colors in us taking a trip

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to Pakistan. Yeah. And our secret crushes Yeah.

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-- and your lips. Of course.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well,

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we are gonna dive right in. Now,

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as we said in our intro episode, Robbie

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and I wanted to have a little

2:08

episode where we solve

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the case before we invite our

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guests onto the episode. And

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Robbie said to me, what

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case do you wanna do? And it was probably

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the easiest conversation we've had thus far.

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I think it took, like, two text messages and

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we're, like, in. We're in. It's done. So

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we're gonna be talking about the murder of

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Lacey Peterson. So why was

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this so easy for us to decide do you think?

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I think because we are

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decades out from this case, right, when it actually

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took place in two thousand and two. And

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I all of us were riveted

2:41

by it. Right? Like, it it just triggered this in credibly

2:43

deep emotional response

2:45

across the country. We

2:47

all were part of the mob. And,

2:49

you know, I look back at that and I am deeply

2:52

ashamed was the time well before,

2:54

like, serial and, like, this turned into a crime.

2:56

I was still

2:57

in law school, by the way.

2:59

When started realizing that, oh,

3:01

things can go wrong and everything you hear in the media is

3:03

not always right. And so all these years later,

3:05

like, we have,

3:06

like, evidence coming forward that actually

3:09

existed then, but was drowned out

3:11

and nobody heard it or listened to it.

3:14

That made me realize that This

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is a

3:16

very problematic conviction. It

3:18

really is. And now we

3:21

made a conscious decision to today,

3:23

we're really We're gonna talk about

3:26

this case, but we're really gonna talk

3:28

in fact. Now, I,

3:30

of course, am a lawyer, and Robya

3:32

is too. But I think that really

3:35

really important because chances are

3:37

everyone who's listening is probably well

3:39

acquainted with this case, you know, unless

3:42

you're new to the Earth, But

3:44

we're gonna get You're born after two thousand

3:46

and two, which is possible. Sure.

3:49

But there like you said, there are some

3:51

facts that people don't know. Some

3:53

of it might be some reminders. And

3:56

some of it, you know, might be new information.

3:58

But we're really gonna focus on the

4:01

facts of the case. And

4:03

I think we all understand the

4:05

why everyone is so drawn

4:07

to this case. I wanna ask you what you remember

4:09

at that time. First of all, where

4:11

were you in your life in that moment? I told you I

4:13

was in law school.

4:14

I was in San Francisco. I'm from

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the Bay Area. You were right there. Yeah.

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And after I graduated college, I

4:20

went back and worked on a show there.

4:23

You could not go to a supermarket, you

4:25

could not turn on the TV without

4:27

Nancy Grace barking in your face

4:30

at any moment. So I

4:32

was deeply embedded and

4:34

invest did in this case and the outcome

4:36

for that matter. And the thing is, like, this

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also came not too long

4:40

after the OJ Simpson chase

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that riveted

4:43

us, the trial that was, like,

4:45

every single day and every spectacle was

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televised.

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And at that point, the media knew,

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like, when you get a case like that, that

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you this

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is big ratings. It's big business.

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It's big viewership.

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This case was a media circus from

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the first day, and it was deliberately so because

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the police wanted it like that. And when

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you do that, you do not have a defendant

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who begins a trial with a presumption

5:08

of innocence. It's impossible. It's impossible.

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you should we talk about, like, kinda set up, like, the

5:12

the broad view, like, kinda, like, what happened? Yeah.

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What I would love everyone to do

5:17

today, if possible, is

5:19

just kind of listen with new ears.

5:21

I think that's really important because

5:24

in our research, you'll hear a lot

5:26

of probably a

5:28

lot of may have been, a lot of

5:30

it's assumed, and

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I guess my big question in

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reinvestigating and diving into this case

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again is, do probabilities

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and babies and may have been

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measure up to the standard of

5:44

reasonable doubt. Beyond reasonable doubt. Right? That's

5:46

what Beyond reasonable doubt. Beyond a reasonable

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doubt. to I'm sorry. I just It was the it's

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it's a small academy in

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Northern Ireland. The law

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academy. Oh. The law. Yeah. So

5:59

Yeah. It's it's prestigious.

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You did a great job. Thank

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you so much.

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But let's let's just dive in with our

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overview. Yeah. Okay. So I

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can set this up. So it is Christmas

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Eve two thousand two, December twenty four, two thousand

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two. So it's a sleepy little news night,

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not a lot's going on. Everybody's home. but

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it's in the daytime. And Lacey and Scott Peterson

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are a married couple, young, beautiful

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couple. They live in Modesto, California. And

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basically, that day, Scott Peterson

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says, you know, they've got the day off in the evening. They're gonna

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have dinner with his in laws, Lacey's parents,

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he decides to go on a fishing trip, and

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he just got a new little aluminum boat,

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nothing fancy, like this tiny little dengue, dengue,

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and Lacey has her plans for the

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day, and when he gets home, she's gone.

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And she's eight months pregnant, by the way, that's

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also very, very important. And I think that's

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also why people were so like I

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mean, there's so many things that, like, droop were the case.

6:52

Right? She's young, she's pretty she's

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a young white woman. He also is like a young

6:56

attractive guy, but it's like, oh, he's probably the

6:58

psychopath. And then she's pregnant. So it's,

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like, on Christmas Eve, the Virgin Mary

7:02

herself is being attacked. Right? Like, there's, like,

7:04

this kind of yeah. And so she

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disappears. They don't know what happened, but

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really from the get go. The police are looking at

7:11

the husband as is like normal

7:13

police procedure. And and the body her

7:15

body and her son's body are found like three

7:17

and a half months later in like the San Francisco

7:19

Bay area basically in the water. I remember he had

7:22

been fishing. So that's those are like the big kind of

7:24

facts of the case. and then he's arrested.

7:25

And faces a trial.

7:28

I don't like sweeping statements, but

7:30

I'm gonna say trial almost like we've never

7:32

seen before. in terms of

7:34

media frenzy.

7:35

Yeah. I mean, OJ OJ was

7:37

pretty up there, but but, you know, sure. OJ

7:39

proved that this is like cell

7:41

able stuff. People want this.

7:44

Somehow, people who have jobs still managed

7:46

to watch that trial every single day.

7:48

Absolutely. The twenty four hour news

7:50

cycle, remember, is a thing in our

7:52

life. It wasn't always a thing. It was pretty

7:54

new thing. You know? Yeah. So that's

7:57

kind of the overview of the

7:59

case. That is

7:59

the Wikipedia really fast

8:02

elevator pitch -- Yeah. -- of this case.

8:05

So to understand where this all

8:07

started, we do know that Lacey went

8:09

missing on Christmas Eve, but to actually

8:11

understand the intricacies of kind of

8:13

this very specific timeline.

8:16

We have to go back to December twenty third.

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Well, the reason we go back is not so much

8:20

because it helps kind of prove

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Scott's defense to a certain extent, and

8:24

I'll get into why. So on the twenty

8:26

third, Lacey is a sister named Amy who

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has hair salon and they go over

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there and she gives dot a haircut. And

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she shows Lacey, like, how to curl her hair

8:35

with a curling iron, so it flips up. So she looks

8:37

cute for Christmas. And, you know, these hang

8:39

out, and Amy tells leads on the day that she

8:41

disappears, that when her sister came to visit

8:43

her, she was wearing tan pants and a

8:45

black blouse that had tiny flowers on

8:48

it. So she remembers exactly what her

8:50

sister's wearing. And the next day when

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Lacey is reported missing and the police start

8:54

searching the house, they find that exact

8:56

outfit. Like, in, like so

8:58

Lacey is not dressed in the same

9:00

clothing that she was when like, you know, she clearly

9:02

has gotten out of those clothes at

9:03

some point. And the reason that's important because

9:06

The police's entire theory is this.

9:08

Okay? That Scott killed Lacey

9:10

on the night of the twenty third, not on the twenty

9:12

fourth. They killed on the night of the twenty

9:14

third. Like, they came back

9:16

from the hair salon.

9:17

Maybe they had dinner, maybe they didn't. He he says

9:20

they had dinner and watched some TV and

9:22

went to bed. But that he killed her on that night,

9:24

they wrapped her in tarp. stuck her

9:26

in in the middle of the night on the back of his

9:28

truck so nobody in that neighborhood could see. If

9:30

you know anything about this case, you have definitely seen

9:33

footage. These are houses right next each other.

9:35

We're not talking about acres between they're, like, right next

9:37

to each other. And the police stuck with this theory,

9:39

the state stuck with it throughout the trial

9:41

because they would not have been able to explain

9:43

that he killed her on the twenty fourth because there would have been no

9:45

time to get her into the truck. There were too many people

9:47

around. So they had to stick with that. But

9:50

Scott says we came home to change gotten

9:52

to a PJAs, you know, this is what she was wearing.

9:54

They actually found her PJs also that she'd been

9:56

wearing the night before because he said that she got up the next

9:58

day and showered and I changed again. They found

10:00

the PJs that he said, it's those things

10:02

gonna track with what he's saying. And that's why that's

10:04

important to know that either like,

10:06

if he had actually killed her that night, that means he killed

10:09

her after she changed. The point

10:11

is, that's one more detail of his story that

10:13

matches up to, like, what other people are saying to.

10:15

So Scott had mentioned a AC's sister,

10:17

Amy, that night, you know, casual converse station.

10:19

He was gonna go golfing the next day,

10:21

pick up gift baskets. And

10:23

they actually invited Amy over that night.

10:26

And she had plans. They were just like, we're just gonna

10:28

order pizzas and, you know, watch football. So

10:30

the idea that the police were going with

10:32

was that he killed her Scott

10:35

also had a warehouse about nine minutes

10:37

from their home -- Yeah. -- and

10:39

he kept the boat there and he had a computer

10:42

there. Now something to know with this

10:44

theory that this is how he did it,

10:46

his truck did not fit in the warehouse. So

10:49

he would have had to what ever their theory

10:52

is, he would have had to have

10:54

done this all outside. But we know

10:56

that Lacey called her mom on the

10:58

night of the twenty third at eight thirty

11:01

and that was the last conversation,

11:03

sadly, that Sharon had with her daughter.

11:06

There are so many things that

11:09

discredit this twenty

11:10

third murder that

11:12

happened. Yeah. It's very hard

11:14

for the police to make the argument that he killed her on the twenty

11:16

third. However, they're kinda stuck.

11:19

in a way because they're like, well, if

11:21

you killed her then and the twenty fourth is nearly

11:23

impossible because so many people saw her. But

11:25

I think let's go through what Scott says he did that

11:27

morning. And and what him and Lacey did that morning if that's

11:29

important to do.

11:30

So Scott said that Lacey woke

11:32

up at about seven AM and

11:34

she put those pajama pants. She

11:36

was wearing these, like, blue pajama pants that were

11:38

actually his because probably, you know, her

11:40

eight month belly was wanted

11:42

something not tight on her or something. She

11:44

put them in the hamper, and we know that to be

11:46

true because they found the pajamas when they

11:49

searched the home. And we know that

11:51

Lacey logged on to her computer at

11:53

eight forty in the morning and she

11:55

had shopped for a red scarf

11:58

and a sunflower umbrella,

12:00

and she logged off at eight

12:02

forty five.

12:03

So, well, hold on a second. So, when

12:05

when the police realized that somebody

12:07

had been on the home computer at eight forty

12:09

AM, they're like, oh, that had to be Scott because

12:11

Lacey's dead as far as they're concerned. Right?

12:13

But making the argument that Scott was

12:15

with his wife's dead body and his truck

12:18

was shopping for a red Gap scarf

12:20

and a sunflower umbrella stand.

12:23

I mean, water stretch. Right? Oh, but

12:26

the state will argue and they did argue that this is

12:28

how clever he is. He's making it look

12:30

like she's still alive. Right? He's

12:31

like creating all these little things that, oh, that

12:33

was Lacey doing it. But Lacey was obsessed

12:36

with sunflower. She likes sunflower and everything.

12:38

So anyhow going on. Yeah. We're giving

12:40

this dude a lot of credit for the

12:42

amount of planning that he had the foresight

12:44

to say, oh, let me log on this computer.

12:47

Do something that my, you know,

12:49

silly sunflower loving wife would

12:51

do. I mean -- Yeah. -- they're throwing their shoulders

12:53

out with that right With a dead body in your trunk

12:55

outside of your very light. outside

12:58

in broad daylight. And come on. Exactly.

13:00

So Scott tells us that as

13:02

the day progressed, Lacey told

13:04

him that she was gonna walk the dog and go

13:07

to the store, she was gonna make this

13:09

delicious sounding French toast. I'm starving.

13:11

And Yeah. For their for their Christmas Eve

13:13

dinner with the family. Yeah. Right.

13:16

But something else that discredits their

13:18

original twenty third story

13:22

was that remember that photo in the

13:24

bathroom with a curling iron a hundred

13:26

percent. Yeah. So the

13:28

house cleaner had testified that she

13:30

had cleaned that house and on

13:33

the twenty third, and There

13:35

was no curling iron. So obviously, Lacey

13:37

was practicing that hairdo that

13:39

her sister Amy had taught her and

13:41

we see a picture of that in the evidence

13:44

from when they searched the house. Right. So there there

13:46

is a clear photograph of that curling iron. It's still

13:48

plugged in. It's in the bathroom. And again,

13:51

if

13:51

to the average person, to

13:53

the reasonable

13:54

mind, it would be evidence that Lacey

13:56

came home and plugged it in. Now, the police

13:58

could argue, Well, she did it the night before,

13:59

right

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before she was killed. She practiced, but her hair

14:02

had all been curled, right, by her sister.

14:04

Scott said, Scott, actually, when he was interviewed,

14:06

he was interviewed that same night. He said, yeah. This

14:08

morning, she was curling her hair. She was doing all these

14:11

things. He he said that he remembered looking watching

14:13

her and thinking she looked so cute when she did it in

14:15

the morning. And they found, like,

14:17

the evidence to back it up. But like I said, the

14:19

prosecutor was like, oh, yeah. because he set that up

14:21

too.

14:22

Yeah. Truly, they're giving this man

14:24

genius level credit for the planning

14:26

of this murder

14:27

happening the way they said it. I could

14:29

calm. I have straight hair down to

14:31

almost my waist I could get a full perm and

14:33

my husband would notice, I don't know what they're

14:35

talking about. There's no way.

14:36

I could show up with like

14:38

blonde curls and my husband would

14:40

have no idea that I did You know what I mean?

14:42

Like, it that kind of attention

14:45

to detail requires a woman. Absolutely.

14:48

All in favor of Robbie a going blonde.

14:50

Raise your hand. I You could pull off

14:52

anything on this side.