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series and i'm so excited to close

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out this like a little mini season

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with somebody who i am and as a huge fan

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of and i

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discovered through yet another

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podcast cause you know it'll just make them either

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the them my justice

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league is daisy egan into as into as

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film and after and podcast

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her she's not only a tony award

3:30

winning actor but she's the female

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the ever with tony for her role

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as mary lennox in the

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the great bargain to hear somebody to the credit

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all just read a few of

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on broadway and she's got dozens of off

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still daisy after all these years days

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egan fuck off i love you and

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is also the writer host of the weekly podcast

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rained and unexplained would daisy egan which

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is on the obsessed network and has over ten

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million downloads

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the

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them oh my god they they want them to the shows

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thanks i'm so excited to be i'm such a

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big fan of yours fan growing

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a bit south oh my gosh i'm sandra

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lee i mean i can i was i love unexplained

4:31

of thing on that of your and

4:33

act the superstar celebrity okay

4:37

hardly the time discussing

4:39

the i'm sticking to a tony award winning

4:41

it's a kind of amazing to me you

4:43

are a runner councilmember market

4:45

but let me you this strange

4:47

and explained is this your first foray into podcasting

4:50

it is i had been you know what's so

4:52

funny as back in a like

4:54

yeah thousand and or two thousand for whenever

4:56

it was i got a new dell computer

4:58

you know it came with little microphone

5:01

and i thought what if every week i just sat

5:03

down and just sort of like talked about

5:05

my week and you know my thoughts

5:07

and put it online and people could listen

5:09

to it and then i thought that ridiculous who would

5:11

do that nobody would listen to that i can

5:14

that actually invented podcasting it

5:17

was it i just didn't act on it was

5:19

a two thousand and three or four he just

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leader in your head you dead yeah for sure

5:24

i did and

5:26

site site that i was interested in it

5:28

for long time that yeah

5:30

this my first actual for

5:32

a i mean and was an

5:35

incredible one because it's a million downloads

5:37

in your first season that's amazing yeah yeah

5:39

it's sad were doing really well

5:41

it's very exciting on

5:44

you i i guess have struck a nerve

5:46

so that's that's fine it's like comedy

5:48

and true crime and supernatural

5:51

and i don't think there's anything else really like it because

5:54

it's just don't have a cohost

5:56

and i'm very opinionated so what

5:59

will so again

6:01

you know this is the shows on the obsessed

6:03

that work and we've had patrick heinz on the series

6:05

before the

6:05

the around and i loved and at all the the

6:08

any time is a nice of them that i sort of thing and i subscribe

6:11

and i like oh my god woman is

6:13

so funny and irreverent and sarcastic

6:16

you're writing as brilliant the show but also

6:19

i'm obsessed with like this kind

6:21

of stuff this someone with a concept

6:24

of show was as like something you came

6:26

up with is a stuffy will an inch to then

6:28

how a so i am a true crime

6:30

sam for sure it was actually patrick

6:32

who came to me and was like hey you wanna do

6:34

like a true crime sort as unsolved

6:37

mysteries type podcast that

6:39

could be like part true crime and part you

6:41

know supernatural star some

6:45

i'd i'd be yeah sure and

6:47

you know i went in totally blind there was like

6:49

a huge learning curve and ah

6:52

we picked them idea

6:54

the right eighty million words for ah yes

6:56

no and it's getting

6:58

i didn't know either because i would have been like who's i

7:00

am busy have to

7:03

wash my hair but yeah

7:05

we got we got we the first

7:07

episode that i wrote was the of drowning

7:09

vanishing men which i

7:12

ended up being second episode that we aired

7:15

and , patrick didn't

7:17

realize was gonna be as funny

7:19

and on a how didn't realize that he knows a very

7:21

well says i'm i'm

7:24

i i wrote some joke about like

7:26

who who into a river unless

7:28

you're virginia woolf and was like oh

7:30

that's what this was gonna be so

7:33

yeah so it was his sort

7:35

of germ of an idea and

7:37

my me you know weird

7:40

brain that made it all come together

7:42

mean he's mean visionary so clearly as

7:44

like the she's gonna make this lenny them such thing

7:46

and size so

7:48

the they were like medicaid behind the story like

7:50

i said from our previous season title ablaze

7:53

in which a woman learns that her a strange

7:55

there had apparently gone up in smoke in

7:57

cave

7:58

the s h c which

7:59

spontaneous human combustion

8:02

not specifically the sorry

8:04

based on a case of make

8:06

a real case of michael's for hardy but

8:08

but but we're not gonna talk only

8:10

about his case because the cinema

8:12

deserves a broader look

8:14

tip of the had to our sources

8:16

before we get into adam we have

8:18

used the irish times britannica

8:21

wasn't , the cts and

8:24

the unsolved mysteries website so

8:27

there are apparently and i didn't really

8:29

realize of but because don't remember some these

8:31

votes from from high school but there are

8:33

the worth insensitive and section that refer

8:35

who continuous human combustion

8:39

but , do remember reading about it at

8:41

some point lead and one of the middle school i'm thinking

8:44

this is not possible but

8:46

then i looked it up and i'm like apparently

8:48

has happened and

8:49

being terrified for a couple of years that i've

8:51

been a person

8:52

why wouldn't you first heard about

8:54

this phenomenon i think guess i think they

8:56

have a i remember seeing it on unsolved

8:59

mysteries like back when it first aired

9:01

in the in the nineties there was an

9:03

episode about i

9:05

say an older woman who

9:08

who spontaneously combusted and her

9:11

and her armchair if i'm remembering

9:13

correctly on so

9:15

that's so that's i learned about

9:17

it and i watched chino hills from the

9:19

dark and and

9:22

hail from the cramped and all that

9:24

stuff i'm was on there as well but

9:26

unsolved mysteries of first like you

9:28

know supposedly true case

9:30

of it that i that i had heard of isn't it funny

9:33

that as i mean for me up a thorn even today

9:35

when i was unsolved mysteries and like of stuff as well

9:37

better like this is not gonna make in the fall

9:39

through the summer yes yeah i'm

9:42

won't for folks who might remember

9:44

their literary class literary class might remember that herman

9:46

melville know lot novel read burn

9:49

describe a drunken sailor from him when

9:51

i close who had threads of greenish

9:53

fire like afford to have like a forked tongue

9:56

darted out between the list and in a moment

9:59

cadaverous

9:59

they've called over by swarm of

10:02

warm like flames i mean cool

10:04

a free game

10:05

but the news dickens bleak house

10:07

the another very novel the conflict

10:09

health and there's a character

10:10

they miss your crock i mean in

10:13

august

10:14

yeah that's not nod to who what

10:16

he was like who ends up in a heap of ashes

10:19

and quote a dark greasy coating

10:21

on the walls and ceiling sober

10:24

i around this time of this

10:26

i thought was really interesting spontaneous human

10:29

combustion was generally

10:31

kind of accepted by the masses like run

10:33

turn center like people bought the get this is

10:35

and because of moral it's

10:38

a punishment from god if it was i have four

10:40

eyes of course

10:41

worth of course

10:44

the on almost all the time

10:46

when these toys recorded at all it would always

10:48

somebody who

10:49

drank a lot or than alcohol name or have

10:51

been drinking that i and was fat

10:54

and or chubby are described as being

10:56

like overweight

10:57

hi

10:58

the idea was you're you're just

11:00

highly combustible if you are a

11:02

ball of sat soaked in all the hall

11:05

easier

11:06

can i just tell you that the that the image

11:08

in the research of like you're

11:10

sad losing out of

11:12

your pores and lighting on fire

11:15

like i was like well i'm done

11:17

like that was awesome

11:20

never eating again that's the worst

11:22

thing i've ever of my life

11:24

i mean by you not the so deeply tied to

11:26

like idea of like let me and you know

11:28

hugs you know being a lush and and

11:30

all the debauchery third

11:32

of the seven deadly sins exactly

11:35

or so you're burst into flames like

11:37

hop that of course of happened it happened because god

11:39

was like another enough your enough rice

11:41

or so you know there however some critics

11:44

pushed back on dickinson like what are you talking about that

11:46

loathing ah i'm so

11:48

he took the book the had written the story

11:50

of a gonna see format and

11:52

then and then it into a blog and at the process

11:55

of to have specific was like

11:58

no listen decision

11:59

the real okay

11:59

and doctors have medical literature

12:02

has documented it and

12:04

he said he said the seriously those

12:06

like thirty cases on record and there's this

12:08

famous case was seventeen thirty one

12:11

that italian count as susan

12:13

now

12:14

it does seem to this is

12:15

the country hear that

12:16

there are maybe probably about three hundred

12:19

to four hundred documented oh

12:21

wow they said cases

12:22

throughout history

12:24

i mean about and less and less frequent

12:26

over time i'm

12:28

guessing because people like oh now we can

12:30

do actual autopsies and

12:32

figure out happened here and not

12:34

make up something but i do want to start with account

12:36

of the story on and yeah the her

12:38

name was actually cornelius and gary bandy

12:42

and we're not only for five different cases today

12:44

because i think all of them are yes

12:46

exciting stuff so the countess

12:49

who was innocent

12:49

the noble woman she die and on march

12:51

have seen something thirty one and

12:54

it was it was well documented case was while because

12:56

of a sad

12:57

the apparently i'm a night

12:59

ever she

13:00

the described as a dull and heavy

13:02

once again and ha ha

13:05

, a drug we are to blame the up button

13:07

drugs she had a bunch of brandy

13:09

and her made put her to bad and the next

13:11

morning she doesn't show up to the major step

13:13

on her her as for five but

13:15

what she what they bring in all investigators

13:18

and obviously the church has to get involved so they've

13:21

got their own like reporter sure

13:23

up here because this

13:25

up know clearly an act of god or

13:27

demon so we have this as above so

13:29

i want to read the actual parts of the report

13:32

that described the seen him with

13:35

a with as like verbatim

13:36

or feet distance from the bad

13:38

the heap assets

13:40

who lived untouched from

13:42

the foot to the name way that they're

13:44

stockings and on me

13:46

the to lives with the ladies had

13:50

rain , the bad part of the skull

13:52

and the whole chin were burnt to ashes ashes

13:55

before found three things to blacken all

13:59

of us with our said

13:59

would

14:00

assist you can call me that they left

14:03

in the hand when taken up a greasy

14:05

and thinking moisture the

14:07

, in the room also observed humbard

14:10

would suck floating in it a smile

14:12

a small oil lamp on the floor covered

14:15

and ashes but had no oil in it

14:17

the description on and it's like it's

14:20

detail , i think one of the crazy things

14:22

me about that as as and we see this

14:24

other cases hill is that

14:27

the description of like the residue

14:29

the last

14:30

the with the a rethink how

14:33

on a farm here that the whole

14:35

furniture

14:35

the bed was spread when moist

14:38

and commerce site which

14:40

had penetrated the chest of drawers even

14:42

sell the lens of side them that's

14:44

what had gone into the neighboring kitchen it

14:46

was on the use him for

14:49

well they would read that

14:51

was covered with it and

14:52

they tried to feed the bread to the dogs dogs right

14:54

the thank you

14:56

this comment about

14:58

on that we're flutter spread all over

15:00

as

15:01

and it was noticed that fun

15:03

the window there was at this

15:04

actually describe as greece

15:06

the some yellowish the core

15:08

that stuff on the wind doesn't trickle down

15:10

and it smelled like a thing ah

15:13

i mean

15:14

i bet part is so

15:16

strange to me because

15:18

i have done as a murder

15:20

cases in which like in a victim of been

15:23

the lingers what an arson are some

15:25

is covering up their crimes they set the scene

15:27

on fire

15:28

never seen descriptions like as

15:30

on lot of victims of a fire

15:32

unless the spontaneous human combustion

15:35

that almost every time

15:36

this is where buffalo

15:37

now what is it that flakes

15:40

what is it about the phenomenon is

15:42

like making their their sat

15:44

seep out oh god it's

15:46

all fall the if i don't liquefy

15:48

begin liquefy from the inside out again as

15:50

and them

15:50

the battered everywhere i

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caitlyn noi serve as a woman a matilda

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of

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the entire body turns assets but her

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feet

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peter

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what is that and

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, animal i'm sorry

20:03

we live like my fear from my childhood

20:05

if it happens via a good as it's a good

20:08

thing i don't drink but i'm not nope

20:10

as the only

20:10

issue here but the crazy

20:12

thing is her husband was in the next room

20:14

also dies from suffocation of the fumes

20:17

they find him and he has died from the fumes

20:20

of course they bring an investigator's an

20:23

investigator's there

20:23

no source of ignition i mean she was in

20:25

the kitchen but appear

20:26

the end of the it was an intense heat

20:29

that or reduce her to ashes

20:31

and bone but that rush

20:33

the room was untouched

20:35

and that on funding we see again and again

20:37

yeah that the fire starts in the person the body

20:39

and occurred to there

20:40

other like a feet a foot or

20:42

a leg or some crap

20:44

yeah i feel like a lot of what i read was

20:46

like you know they were near us for answer

20:48

their head was oriented toward the fireplace

20:51

as they are like okay well then

20:53

obviously it had to do with that

20:55

but it does doesn't explain how

20:58

their feet or laughter doesn't explain like

21:00

don't just die like

21:03

know it takes it takes it'll be like

21:05

oh the tour he was sitting in with fine

21:07

how does not happen right yeah

21:10

fleener i mean a and

21:12

you think that she would have been like hey i'm on fire

21:14

please come help you have a run

21:17

it didn't get

21:19

up and flamingo gives life so is somebody

21:21

catches fire like you know people to

21:23

school flailing and roll on the floor yeah

21:26

they're not like just standing with her feet together

21:28

and exact same spot yeah or

21:31

there's remain in the terror as their ablaze

21:33

like

21:34

you know if i couldn't thing is if it was like a candle

21:36

or something that let your clothing on fire mueller

21:38

senator sit would know you would

21:40

stop drop and roll you do something

21:42

to try to get a get the off of your

21:44

to said put it out yeah we're gonna

21:47

get into like how scientists and people who are

21:49

doubly this arma explain how it happens

21:51

with

21:51

they part of why i don't believe them for them like

21:53

you're not telling me the cigarettes that i'm on fire

21:55

the the saturn was to happen for but i'll

21:57

say this i'm forty eight

21:59

i'm forty two wanted

22:02

to okay you got some time maybe but i

22:04

in

22:04

the last year i think i've had like two

22:06

hot flashes the for

22:07

sure of many to com cause

22:09

you know i'm getting there

22:10

and i did one some of them plane

22:12

and i was like that somebody the city on fire

22:14

from inside

22:16

i area like a

22:18

right it was something i can you describe to

22:20

those like

22:21

i get like you know why like my mom and answer

22:23

like

22:23

ethylene

22:26

other met a publicist this this may have been a man

22:28

yells you as a there's a roll him a case for

22:30

my sunset sixty six where

22:32

arm and seventy think the uk there's a retired

22:35

doctrine him irving bentley he's ninety two

22:37

years old and this meter

22:39

man goes to his house

22:41

regularly and he is a regular customer

22:43

and he

22:44

how to let himself into the base that to

22:46

check the meter see ghosts of the vase that

22:48

the be around things time and when he sells

22:50

in their his life was going on here and

22:52

he finds at the bottom of the steps of

22:54

there's a pile of ash

22:56

on the or there's a weird

22:58

sickening odor

22:59

the club and there's a whole different

23:01

burn through the ceiling into the basement

23:04

and if the little red embers

23:06

around the whole and like others have high

23:08

lasses underneath the solar he

23:11

goes affairs and above

23:13

that with the whole lives in the bathroom with

23:15

above the basement and he's

23:18

signed

23:19

basically what's left of dot

23:20

the irving bentley witches

23:23

one part of a leg

23:24

and he says that it was so does hundred

23:26

he couldn't help it was a human being or man

23:29

again

23:29

and if right by the toilet and the guys like

23:32

walker it is still there and that's

23:34

it and like literally

23:35

the heat was don't have a

23:37

learned through for

23:39

i left

23:41

leg i mean that's i

23:44

yeah i mean i don't know how anybody

23:46

explain that's okay

23:49

and eighty six case i sneeze six and here's

23:51

the thing there's i see pictures of this the

23:53

and actually of there's actually of the the the

23:55

bentley case to live with a sound as a blacklist

23:57

as of rates and the nineteen eighty six k

23:59

the of a man named george might there's

24:02

color pictures of what they found in

24:04

bed so george was a retired

24:06

firemen and he has had a lot

24:08

of damage to his lungs over the years fighting

24:10

fires who's and he had to

24:12

sleep was like agassi of them

24:14

have an aunt of a mask and an office and machine

24:17

to get like fresh air and one

24:19

though the hit one day to sounds like a habit

24:21

for my dad with one on him and go and check

24:23

on and gets there

24:24

and the house like to some from the outside

24:27

he can see that the windows are like brett brown

24:29

feigning on than he says how

24:32

does the murder of the door to the house

24:34

and the handle of hot it's hot

24:37

that he finds his dad a side in

24:39

the bed but he's just a pile

24:41

of ashes and

24:43

assault regret and regret and of

24:44

and

24:47

that is that george might it up

24:48

in nature

24:50

a point and pile of ashes under

24:53

the covers and bad the pillows entire

24:56

the covers are inside the better fine

24:58

the mask is there and

25:00

the era still pumping through it much

25:03

yes and that's oxygen to

25:05

isn't that like highly flammable yeah

25:08

that's why like you're supposed to never like

25:10

light of

25:11

yeah that's the best picture held up ray

25:14

like he's apparently mean you and

25:16

think he should have been wearing them out of

25:18

you is is is on he tried turning

25:20

onto the mouse one of them burst flames hell

25:23

are gonna see the picture and yeah

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28:54

though this guy writes a book called ablaze

28:56

and this is what he said in the book he talked

28:59

about case quote , was

29:01

incredible localized amazon to the body

29:03

george mot was incinerated and extent that

29:05

we told forensic expert could

29:07

only be replicated inside a crematorium

29:10

operating at three thousand degrees fahrenheit

29:12

or more for twelve long hours

29:15

for twelve hours sousa

29:17

thing it never takes twelve hours like you

29:20

know it easier for something that happened

29:22

within the matter

29:23

maybe hours are

29:25

photo time

29:26

yeah

29:27

three thousand agree if like which

29:30

may be claims wide doctor bentley

29:31

they burned a hole through the ceiling he

29:33

i mean the went right through

29:35

though you know i mean like these photographs

29:38

to me ah just there's

29:40

no would explain it now i mean even

29:42

if this guy there was pro

29:44

the bottom out of has mister mom to that were

29:46

perfectly fine

29:46

however with a big fire that's

29:48

weird the feds the betting that

29:51

pillow on how to use and of will be our

29:53

as even if somebody came the house

29:55

and was like own us article fails animal buyer

29:58

you can't just

29:59

here

29:59

this campaign it so i

30:02

it doesn't make sense know right

30:04

they would find excel and everywhere

30:07

and yeah and everything would be burned

30:10

other another

30:11

i'm were trying to figure out is there's so

30:13

much say spontaneous combustion

30:15

real thing somebody to to burst

30:17

into flames

30:18

why don't those flames cat why

30:20

is only the body burning and nothing around that yeah

30:23

i didn't say anything coming

30:25

inside the bush is the call coming from

30:27

inside the most of her is it or

30:30

one kids and i didn't talk

30:33

about the i didn't like get details for this episode

30:35

with the with went with the phone case with case sigh

30:37

recorded that a new the doctor

30:39

he saw his own leg burst into flames is

30:41

it would have allowed watch the of

30:44

he , to tell just here so

30:47

this so com

30:48

from and type out

30:51

then we guess is he'll get

30:53

to the case

30:54

which is the most recent years i think i've

30:56

seen a two thousand and ten case and that's the case

30:58

kind of that are story

31:00

narrowly which is

31:02

is again ireland michael say

31:04

here the saturday synergy yeah

31:06

fair day she looks like every

31:08

irish grandpa like just picture

31:11

an irish grandpa and that's what michael fair online

31:13

forms of rarities good as little cap

31:15

and his little twinkle in his eye on well

31:19

i mean he didn't go out with every hours grandfather

31:21

unfortunately grandfather so apparently

31:24

witnesses saw smoke coming from the house

31:26

in october

31:26

door yeah got the fire and police

31:28

to com

31:29

they found homes i'm

31:31

sitting i guess in vienna

31:33

a recliner and the sitting room or living

31:35

room

31:36

close to a fireplace but

31:39

i mean his body company

31:40

burned there was damasio

31:43

for below him into the ceiling above

31:45

ah

31:45

right

31:47

there was no excellently found

31:49

a foul play the ,

31:51

fireplace they said was determined

31:53

not to be the cause of the fire files

31:56

but you know

31:58

although some people like obviously the

31:59

with the qualifier but look right the

32:02

chair he sitting in is still intact yeah

32:04

and apart and there's again if like

32:06

saw the other cases in which his legs are still fine

32:09

the way like even if could come up with

32:11

a with a reasonable explanation for the

32:14

fire got it does not explain

32:16

these other like how why the bad as

32:18

and and affected at a chair or that their legs

32:20

are still

32:21

in

32:22

right

32:23

oh and if he came to

32:25

anyhow conclusion the kind of as as other

32:28

he just was like eyelashes when they found him

32:30

and some bones splinter splinter like

32:32

this is it an intense orgasm ancient history than

32:35

and thirty one segment was intense

32:37

but we intense have people who obviously we're like

32:39

okay let's there is a scientific explanation

32:42

with as although

32:43

i agree but i think

32:44

the wrong one they're coming up with over there

32:46

was a named in

32:47

the question was

32:48

lena be i forensic anthropologist for

32:50

she wrote a master's thesis about

32:53

the subject of course is not the amount of it online

32:55

to lots of was the skeptics than the debunkers

32:58

as i say well

32:59

in every case

33:00

the for medical older sitting

33:03

close to are laying

33:04

the to something that could have caused

33:06

the fire although

33:08

you know mister mom in his

33:10

bed he had an awesome now thought i'd on

33:12

a look at of has the flames their fear is

33:14

always there under there influence of alcohol

33:16

said it is so they can't move is there

33:18

on fire and fire mean i've

33:21

never been john daly but i see withdrawn from on

33:23

fire awesome is

33:25

yeah i mean you and have to

33:27

be like i , like any

33:29

amount of fire like if even if you're black

33:32

out drunk you're gonna i

33:34

don't know i mean unless you're rusi them i

33:36

don't think these people a roofie and like

33:38

with george martin rufino for he went

33:40

to bed i highly doubt doctors

33:43

seventy six year old with michael sacred

33:46

dot michael bentley was taken on i mean when

33:48

he burst into flames and

33:49

to the floor

33:51

yeah

33:53

i'd actually like know you know all safer

33:55

a uniform ones lot like and will know

33:57

more about of and said it as i can think of

33:59

what you said like completely like knocked out

34:02

if only some

34:03

they're they're good time be like i gotta move on

34:05

the adrenaline starts

34:08

pumping and yeah like

34:10

i think your body has a mechanism

34:12

for exactly that right like they

34:14

have something so they've come up with and they have the with

34:17

theory which is like that body

34:19

fat turns into like the with of

34:21

years , old the clothing

34:24

and the clothing becomes the lake in the body

34:26

fat is like the candle and

34:29

the site gets and and this is i

34:31

mean clearly the fat has been burned and

34:33

new systems and the the people

34:35

buy now button the theory here

34:37

is that like the clothing caught on fire something on

34:39

a fire and then there's that begins

34:41

melt it draws us into the clothing asserting

34:44

africa wig and as a discontinue source of

34:46

fuel here's a thing when you born a candle

34:48

the were great man with burns

34:51

independent other a it's above

34:54

the fat source or the brian forests

34:56

but a piece of clothing and a person who is on

34:58

fire

34:59

not gonna lie to continue

35:02

to burn like awake it's gonna be the first thing

35:03

that appear in turn an asset is right

35:05

yeah i also you know

35:08

there are plenty of people who burned my for months the

35:10

candles and you don't feel like weird

35:12

waxy residue on the one

35:14

from ads yeah

35:16

i don't think the person

35:18

the shirt can become a long burning wick

35:21

no them to me like it now

35:23

yeah i'm look i did not have a scientific research

35:25

illness and i would to hear from have

35:27

any of our losses were like rather you're wrong but

35:30

i think would you i wouldn't

35:33

i want want medical any you can keep busy or persons

35:35

the only alternate that offer to

35:37

buy a scientist and unless this bullshit

35:39

i know it's yeah pa what

35:42

you're saying is not possible that somebody is

35:44

yeah the crosswalk a

35:46

force of a flame except me and many

35:48

this

35:48

you're not and they just don't

35:50

even bother a new

35:52

they just sit still long as they go

35:54

up in flames and the theory also is

35:56

that

35:57

they are burning long a long period

35:59

so

36:00

y times your head the skull is

36:02

part of call so the theory is

36:04

of the the torso of the body burns and

36:06

that's why we find local him themselves sometimes

36:09

because torso has the most that

36:11

okay all your toes is on fire

36:13

and your is not

36:15

you're gonna move a guide

36:17

yeah but also how does

36:19

that explain how like and

36:22

feet or last will they said is left

36:24

side on the so they don't get burned

36:27

the same way okay i

36:29

mean yeah but like it seems

36:31

like it's like most of the time it's their arms

36:33

in their hands go but then there's like a foot

36:36

i don't write perfect condition

36:38

of whole lot of stuff inflict uncensored

36:41

yeah yeah like sitting there

36:43

as though nothing had happened out the so

36:45

one for the things i've read

36:47

like there are cases which will reported

36:49

one thing is him combustion that turn out to be complete

36:51

lies and like somebody clearly set themselves

36:53

on fire and and i think those

36:56

have gotten mixed up with the ones that are

36:58

not explainable arm and

37:00

so

37:01

because of that like that the bunkers and like for

37:03

what were com era what about

37:05

this for know i love your show because

37:08

a lot of times you will walk us through something like

37:10

oh my god is no explanation for that and

37:12

at the end you're like there's enough to the live a little

37:14

like for his offensive as i was

37:17

the law now here

37:18

founder debbie downer everything when

37:21

i don't understand is like

37:23

let's say okay fine let's say

37:25

you drank too much

37:26

they'll your favorites sitting

37:28

chair and you're smoking a cigarette

37:31

and the ashes fall on your

37:33

belly even that like

37:36

okay the whole the whole cigarette falls

37:38

on your belly are in lap or

37:40

whatever and then

37:42

and that catches on fire

37:45

you would wake up please

37:47

where he would wake guy

37:49

so i mean unless

37:51

unless you have or that alcohol over

37:53

your you shouldn't thought

37:57

i would assume you're not going to going over them

37:58

first the flames

37:59

that makes it a name afraid even move

38:02

the i would a film that even brain and people

38:04

are not found with like an empty

38:06

liquor bottle right next to them suggesting

38:09

that they like doused themselves before

38:11

they fell asleep

38:13

or even like a shot glass you know i mean like

38:15

it's not the it's it's

38:17

you're gonna poor and like are all over yourself

38:20

by mistake and then go into the sitting

38:22

room and sit down like by the time you're pouring

38:24

liquor yourself you're

38:27

, the or like you

38:29

know well all sizes well

38:31

all i started doing research on the said i

38:33

when go into this and it's gonna i'm completely

38:36

convinced that there there

38:37

the explanation where people have

38:38

the reckless or whatever and

38:41

i actually have come back i'm with

38:43

i'm with childhood fear renew the this would happen me

38:46

drink i

38:48

can totally understand why people

38:50

you know back in the day would have thought it was divine

38:53

punishment of course that's what it

38:55

would seem like i'm sure i'm

38:57

sure there probably is some sort of scientific

38:59

explanation we did

39:01

like i mean there has to be suggesting

39:03

it's not definitely a scientific explanation

39:06

that he was a think like as somebody who believes in god i'm like

39:08

i also believe god works suicide the

39:10

bad idea here this this is

39:12

a scientific reasons i'm gonna make this it somebody

39:15

or whatever yeah but yeah but

39:17

i just think that like it doesn't seem like

39:19

the actual real like the research

39:21

like what could actually happen nobody via

39:23

via the thing is as he i also have not

39:25

found any cases of this happening i an animal

39:28

that i wonder why that

39:29

you think would happen i know an answer right well

39:33

it's possible that like you

39:35

know that's how some forest fires i

39:37

started the fight you know

39:39

a little wombat is there and just

39:41

on sudden into flames as

39:43

a whole another you know one that

39:45

can sam against god

39:47

so yeah well i i see

39:49

happy to remove that this the

39:52

part of it and i feel i could be some kind

39:54

of in terms look after i had that hot i

39:57

truly felt like i could burst into a fireball

39:59

are things that happened there are some kind of

40:02

a little we are energy light or energy

40:04

yeah we're we're we're electricity

40:06

has the fisher some sense of misfire

40:09

i look for

40:09

the hearing eventual at the thought about that because i'm sure

40:11

you can

40:12

come to a better now i'm

40:14

fired i don't know i

40:16

don't know i can there are episodes where i walk

40:18

away going guy i

40:20

don't know

40:22

you know the mafia yeah well

40:24

, is called unexplained that i think it's fair that you

40:26

can get away with i can be like old i told you australian

40:28

the here and not gonna claim that hey man the

40:31

title title law

40:34

thank you for a walk helping me walk through

40:36

the is actually horrific cases and

40:38

like i like my my pleasure

40:42

it isn't pleasure single to me that like with her less

40:45

and like reporters and also i don't

40:47

know if i've seen anything reported outside of

40:49

like

40:49

the american author

40:51

i'd be curious it also made it also

40:53

may be that is if a loved one

40:55

the day like of your to come home and find a loved

40:57

one like that this thought of

40:59

putting that out into the public like

41:02

my like my one spontaneously combusted

41:04

and then just face the wrath of people

41:06

online like trolling you because

41:09

of their

41:09

yeah you know maybe people just keep

41:12

it quiet as well i mean yeah but you gotta

41:14

like if is see that what a half i your deathly

41:16

calling the police like there's no not getting

41:18

documented somehow right lake shore

41:20

but you would come up with i can get for an explanation

41:23

like i don't think a corner of gonna be like spontaneous

41:25

human i think just say

41:27

like item now i

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, that's a really your credibility

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tonight we take you to the killing a field of

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league said they were over a seven year period from

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period can on ninety one the of

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for young women were found all murder

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victims are they still haven't found the serial

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killer they say as responsible for all

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murder

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oregon jim miller is famous for his

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ability to locate missing children

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he felt the track down hundreds of people

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all over the world

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the gym spent every day for

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the past forty years trying to figure

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out what happened to his own daughter

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the had every reason disaster

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i'm name's lou smit want to listen

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to me and of beginning they were follower

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i'm ali khan the journalists

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and recently license private investigator for

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my first ever case i flew to taxes

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doesn't do the mystery of the killing fields i

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shadowed him as he put together evidence

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against the man implied hedrick the

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convicted killer just released from prison the

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ten needed work

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nobody wants everything

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looks similar

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during the course of the investigation i

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started to think that ten might not be the hero

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he's made ltd

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i wanted her as thrown as

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much as slice and game so there

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he

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no math is some

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of which have driven innocent men to suicide

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my client kill themselves that

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it i didn't know this is it

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this is it's i had also for the people around

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him and eminent

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in general i need to know he

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is on our

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in fact it turns up at him and clyde

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or someone alike and they're both

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can keep pushing me to go me the slide

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on as the house and it becomes increasingly

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they're it'll do anything

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the only one all former

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