This interview features panelists who identify as Counterphobic Sixes. While each Enneagram type has a "counter-type," the Counterphobic Six is perhaps the most fascinating example of this aspect of the Enneagram.

Type Six teach us the universal response to fear: fight, flight and freeze. 

The key element of Type Six involves the propensity to imagine and plan for the worst-case scenarios. Most Sixes respond by holding back, getting caught in an endless stream of strategizing ways to be safe and certain. Their go-to mechanism is flight or freeze.

Counter-phobic Sixes take the opposite approach. They go on the offensive, taking an aggressive stance to what threatens them. Their motto: the best defense is a strong offense.

Carol Rydell, Lidia Young and Lou Flessner provide expert insight to the Counterphobic Six structure. Carol, Lidia and Lou identify their game-plan as "jumping off cliffs." The panelists recognize the gift inherent in the Counter-phobic structure: it allows them to take risks and be fully human.

Carol is a transformational strategist and shamanic priestess. Lidia is a therapist and executive coach. Lou is a retired Lutheran minister and quilter.