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Yellow there. Super 647. What is

1:22

happening? I am Seth E3.

1:24

This is episode six hundred

1:26

and forty seven. Today, I am joined by

1:28

an out of order crew in

1:31

the E3.

1:32

Rev out of time. I'm sitting in the wrong chair.

1:34

It's very confusing.

1:37

Legendary reaction guy, Per Schneider.

1:39

You're out of order. And

1:41

of course, industry legend

1:44

slash scoops slash

1:46

nose for news cat bill. This E3,

1:48

you're getting my better half. I

1:52

think both halves are better E3 to

1:54

a good a great

1:56

hole. So It's really nice

1:58

compliment. Looks good. Cat,

2:00

you had kind of a big E3, I would say.

2:03

You were a little busy on Monday.

2:05

Would you care to tell us what what

2:07

went down with cat on Monday?

2:10

Yeah. On Monday, we broke

2:12

the news that e three.

2:14

Nintendo, Sony, an Xbox would not be

2:17

formal part of E3. We'll

2:20

know that. Xbox will at least be in

2:23

LA. They already confirmed that last

2:25

week. They're doing a physical showcase

2:27

of some kind. don't know what exactly

2:29

that will entail. But Nintendo

2:32

was going to have a booth, but they ended

2:34

up pulling out. And E3,

2:36

who even knows with Sony at this point?

2:38

So think Sony is just straight up done with

2:40

e three. So 647, things

2:43

are not looking great for e

2:45

three in a lot of respects as

2:47

I wrote in two E3. That

2:50

I ended up doing over on E3 dot com.

2:52

I encourage you to go check them out,

2:54

but the upshot of it is that

2:57

E3 much there's really not

2:59

a lot booked, not a lot ready to go.

3:01

For e three, the show is in

3:03

very rough shape. And

3:06

it's at this point, it's starting

3:08

to look like you're, like, what is e three even

3:10

going to

3:10

have? Web E3, Ubisoft,

3:13

maybe That you guys E3 mean,

3:15

it'll have assessment's E3. Sure.

3:18

Yeah. Mhmm.

3:19

But why? You'll have garage.

3:20

It's a really interesting hey. I'm sick.

3:22

I'm sick 647

3:23

this. least I'm having trouble right now. Too,

3:25

you know. Right. Also No. And and that I

3:27

think think there are definitely economic

3:29

reasons for the companies to, you know,

3:31

consider skipping E3 and so 647. First

3:34

of all, all three console makers 647,

3:36

of course, members of the ESA. They've got

3:38

leaders on the board of the ESA. Right?

3:40

So they're involved in this it's a

3:42

nonprofit that kind of directs

3:45

that, you know, handles the problems

3:47

in the industry, you know,

3:49

promote and health, you know, cares about the

3:51

health of the industry. But

3:54

in a year where there are significant headwinds,

3:57

you know, in the economy, I

3:59

think companies look at their event schedule

4:02

and they say, where do we need to spend and where

4:04

do we need to not spend? And sometimes, e

4:06

three does not align with you

4:08

know, the sort of messaging or the rollout

4:10

of new games that that companies have. And like

4:13

a company like Nintendo, and maybe

4:15

we'll talk about that a little bit more later. Like,

4:17

if they only have Zelda,

4:19

which comes out before e E3, and then maybe

4:21

they have Pikmin later in the year, they might go, well,

4:24

we don't need to have a physical presence

4:26

at this big event. E3 don't need to

4:28

be in front of the press

4:29

there. We don't need to be in front of the users

4:31

there. And that's not a you know,

4:33

I I don't think that's a fault of kind of

4:35

like the E3 or the institution or

4:37

the concept of a show in in

4:39

June that it sometimes doesn't

4:41

align. And like 647 this year, The USA

4:43

is going with Reed Park. Right? The company

4:45

behind packs and New York comic on,

4:47

so it's an experienced events group.

4:49

But, yeah, this just something it's

4:51

not it's either not the right year for everybody

4:54

to come back from the pandemic and exhibit and,

4:56

like, really kind of, like, built these big

4:58

booths and showcase, you know, a dozen

5:00

games. It might not be the right year for that, or there

5:02

might be an indicator that the companies

5:04

are more comfortable now doing their

5:07

own events and being kind of like more scattered

5:09

through the year when it fits better into their

5:11

schedule. We'll see. I mean, kinda part of

5:13

the problem too is that because it's been out for

5:15

so long now, with the pandemic. It's

5:17

it's been sort of a game of, like, before

5:19

before twenty nineteen or whatever E3

5:21

twenty when E3 three was just an event

5:24

every single year, You didn't if 647

5:26

one company had a light year, like, if Nintendo was

5:28

only gonna show up with 647 of the wild and nothing

5:30

else, that wasn't gonna put a knife in the back

5:32

of e three. Everybody else had their OFF. EVERYONE

5:34

ELSE WAS ATTENDING IT WAS 647. BUT NOW EVERYONE

5:36

HAS BEEN OUT FOR SO LONG. IT'S THIS BIG GAME OF

5:38

CHICKEN TO SEE WHO IS GOING TO E3 E3

5:41

ON THEIR BACK. And convince everyone

5:43

else that they also need to buy in. And

5:46

no one wants to be the first

5:47

one. And so everyone's just gonna say,

5:49

well, never mind, over and over and over again.

5:52

I just wanna go in that big E3 e

5:54

three booth. Yeah. So

5:56

outside looking in my entire

5:57

career. Now it's my moment.

5:59

We'll see. I mean, we might still have have

6:01

AAA booth. So, you know, being in

6:03

charge of the content budget, we budgeted

6:06

for a booth build out for three and

6:08

and thought about what we're gonna do there. Obviously,

6:10

we'll do studio production. We have we have three

6:12

studios in LA. So we'll be part

6:14

of e three in some fashion

6:17

for sure. We'll see, you know, if

6:19

if they, you know I'm sure

6:21

their E3, like, think think of, you know,

6:24

E3, Ben, I'm calling Ubisoft to have

6:26

games that our audience really cares about. And

6:28

if they are bringing some big guns

6:30

to the show, it could be really interesting still. E3,

6:32

it is a

6:32

bummer. Right? Like, it's like -- Yeah. we

6:34

all remember the e threes of yesteryear

6:37

and, like,

6:37

what sort of

6:38

excitement? Whether you were watching remotely

6:40

or you were there, there was just

6:42

this, you

6:43

know, this excitement in the area

6:45

was it was, like, being partially,

6:47

it was, like, there's this Disneyland that

6:49

you go to with all these beautiful boots

6:51

and being able to see games for first time and

6:53

seeing all the creators walk around and

6:55

all of that. And then there were the press

6:57

conferences where you got all these big,

7:00

you know, one more thing reveals and all of

7:02

that. And so Yeah. Yep. E3

7:05

actually what my column this week

7:07

is

7:07

-- Mhmm. -- 647 for E3, which will be

7:09

live, I think, Friday morning. But it's sort of, like,

7:12

looking back at some

7:14

of Nintendo's biggest hugest

7:16

moments, and I kinda I argue. I don't even

7:18

argue. I state for the record that the best

7:20

e three moments are all

7:21

Nintendo's. Yeah.

7:23

And I think that that is It's not true, but I'm

7:26

really

7:27

E3. Sorry. Really good ones. Yeah.

7:29

A lot of E3 good ones. Sure.

7:30

Alright. I'll say this. I think I I

7:32

phrase it like Nintendo has the most

7:34

of the best e three

7:36

moments. I think I think

7:39

Sony saying basically

7:41

647 every single one of Xbox One's

7:43

points point line by line in

7:46

terms of 647, physical discs

7:48

and E3. That was a memorable

7:50

moment, but it it wasn't like a magical moment.

7:52

Like

7:52

Nintendo had It was an astonishing

7:55

moment. It was E3 agree

7:57

with all of that. It was it was it

7:59

was a moment because it was, like, the Cola

8:01

Wars. Right? It was, like, something that we

8:03

don't usually see these companies

8:05

kind of, like, kind of, you know, like,

8:08

stabbing each other a little bit like that. And

8:10

usually now, you know, like, the the

8:12

back and forth between Xbox and PlayStation is

8:14

a lot more civil. But, like, there was this one

8:16

year where, like, place station brought the knives

8:19

out, man. It was something to E3 holding. It

8:21

was it was smart. It was well

8:22

done. And it definitely caused some damage.

8:24

Right? Even though Xbox had some cool ideas.

8:27

Was the hand 647 of the game as how

8:30

you shared games with this. Yes. Press conference

8:32

moment?

8:32

Yes. It was. It was. They did

8:34

a little video.

8:35

It was a video. was a little video that

8:37

they recorded right right

8:39

after it. And they're basically like, oh, let's

8:41

show how the E3 can do

8:43

it. It it did do a lot of damage. But But

8:45

but all also the your breathtaking.

8:47

Was that also e three?

8:48

Yes. Yeah. That was well,

8:51

E3

8:51

second one

8:51

moment, your your breathtaking. No.

8:55

That was was that was that at the E3? I don't

8:57

even remember

8:57

Oh, maybe that wasn't the keylies. No. I

8:59

thought that was your breathtaking? Yeah. No. That was definitely

9:01

E3. It don't things together.

9:03

Yeah. Same. I can't

9:04

remember. E3 three twenty E3, it

9:06

must have been. Yeah. Cyberpunk. Yeah.

9:08

Yes. So but but to Seth's point, I do

9:11

I do agree with the magical moments

9:13

part. For one, Nintendo is such

9:15

a story company has been around for so long

9:17

that E3 Nintendo gets on stage

9:19

and says

9:21

and guess what? There's a new installment in

9:23

this series that we haven't updated for ten

9:25

years. Right? Like, you get this oh my

9:26

god. I can't believe it. Reliving your childhood

9:29

E3, everything comes flooding back and it's like

9:31

that ratatouille moment in in the

9:33

year. The E3 Ravi 647, exactly

9:35

like that. And then ten Yeah. Yeah.

9:37

But

9:38

smash everyone's invited. Right?

9:41

Like the writers, all the characters.

9:42

And then 647 me, my favorite moment, always,

9:44

twilight princess. The the trailer review

9:47

reveal with -- Who's calling in music? And, like,

9:50

the E3 motor comes out with a sword and all of

9:52

that. Wait. You're were you there?

9:53

Oh, yeah. It was I

9:54

wish you were there. Was that the that was

9:56

it? Yeah. That was that was the origin

9:59

of the the the crazy meme.

10:01

Of course, the the reaction guys meme

10:03

with the looking

10:04

sad, and then how do they

10:05

happen E3? Yeah.

10:06

If I recommend to anyone out there

10:08

who's listening or watching 647 you have not watched

10:11

Look at that E3,

10:12

reveal. With the crowd

10:14

noise, like, just go and

10:16

do it. Because when you can hear everyone

10:18

kind of think is this Zelda is

10:20

this is this a Zelda E3? And then when

10:22

you see lake, the crowd just loses

10:25

their minds. And it's in like that right there, it

10:27

was like, Oh my god. Oh,

10:29

people are swearing and fanning and self

10:31

hating passing

10:32

out. I I passed out. I was just fainted.

10:35

I mean, It's funny to

10:37

go back to that context at the time because

10:39

people were so out on wind waker

10:42

and really obsessed with

10:44

the space world -- Mhmm. Thousand

10:46

reveal of Legend of

10:49

Zelda and they're like, when are we going to get

10:51

our GameCube E3 of Time?

10:53

When are we going to get darker edgier

10:54

link? Because that was what we were thinking back in

10:56

the early two thousands. And E3 got

10:59

it. And now people are like, oh, do you know,

11:01

wind waker? That's where it's at. Twilight

11:03

Princess, whatever. Well, there was a notion

11:05

of, like, is, you know, core gamers

11:07

E3 thinking, is that we really only for

11:11

Well, obviously, now they we we

11:13

we E3 got we got toilet printers a little bit before

11:16

it. But but there was tremendous relief

11:19

with the E3 that it wasn't just going to

11:21

be little E3

11:22

sports, you know, figures without legs

11:24

and all of that to to get a game that that looked

11:26

like that obviously. I'm

11:27

647 for children, Paris, what you're trying to send. No. I

11:29

mean, it was for I I E3 with

11:32

my parents. Right? Like, it was very very

11:34

mainstream. It was, like, at at

11:36

times it felt like something you would pick up, like,

11:38

you know, one of them 647 kits you pick

11:40

up at a wall or

11:41

something. Right? Like, something that, like, every free wall

11:43

can play.

11:44

And III mean, not being this I'm not being

11:46

dismissive.

11:46

No. I don't think are, but but there's definitely a hard

11:48

--

11:48

Yeah. -- and still is a hardcore gamer perception

11:51

that if something is like cute or colorful

11:53

or has round edges it is 647

11:55

children. And then while I've got those with

11:56

the gamers,

11:57

but yes. Yeah. It would be awesome,

11:59

though. If, like, if they reveal the wind waker

12:01

too, I think people would cheer just as hard.

12:03

Right? Like,

12:04

because, like, kindness now is signed.

12:06

Yeah. I would be swearing. We would all I

12:08

wanna talk more about, like, our e three memories,

12:10

but Reb, last year,

12:13

you had a little bit of a scoop

12:15

that went awry, but you could

12:18

you tell us a little bit about what you reported

12:20

on for the two thousand the alleged

12:22

two thousand twenty 2E3 that didn't

12:25

happen.

12:28

Yeah. It it kinda flew under the radar,

12:30

and I think E3 helps add some more

12:32

context to what Kat reported on as to what we might

12:34

see of e three in the future. So, yeah, I did

12:36

a little bit of reporting work on this issue last

12:39

year when I was chasing the E3 b three not happening

12:41

in twenty twenty two. And

12:43

back while I was working on that,

12:46

kinda one of the things that started to

12:48

come up is that there's

12:51

just been a lot of trouble at the ESA

12:54

kind of like long term going

12:56

back E3 back to like twenty E3.

13:00

There there's been the the USA

13:02

is sort of there's there's basically two

13:04

problems going on within the ESA. And

13:07

one of them is that it is, as Paresh

13:09

said earlier, kind of 647 made up

13:11

of, like, lawyers and,

13:14

like, E3 and people who are answering

13:16

question of, should loot

13:19

boxes have regulation? And, you know,

13:21

to do advocacy on behalf of the games industry. Like,

13:23

they're not event planners fundamentally. And

13:26

within the ESA for several years, there was

13:28

a very small group of people like, you know, this

13:30

team that actually did know how to put on a

13:32

very good e three, and they were very good at it. And

13:34

then kind of roughly all around the same time,

13:36

all of those people left for

13:39

various reasons, and they took a lot of institutional

13:41

knowledge with them. And that was all sort of happening

13:43

around twenty nineteen. And that was

13:45

also sort of around the same time that there

13:47

was just kind of a little bit of

13:49

shake up internally about what e three was

13:51

supposed to be just

13:54

E3. Yeah. Like, because again,

13:56

as you mentioned, like, the ESA has made up of

13:58

a bunch of different companies who are all on the board

14:00

and they all kind of have to agree on

14:02

a vision for this event. And twenty

14:04

nineteen was the year that Sony backed out. It was

14:06

also just a couple years after there was some sort

14:08

of like or they they they

14:10

decided to open e three to the public,

14:13

and my understanding 647 my reporting is that

14:15

there was a lot of E3.

14:18

This agreement, like, even not everybody was super

14:20

happy with that decision, and that's that obviously wasn't

14:22

the only thing people were disagreeing upon. So it

14:24

was basically just this perfect storm of

14:27

not everybody agreeing on what e three should be.

14:29

Sony kind of taking its ball

14:31

and going home. And then

14:33

all the people who are normally very good at

14:36

planning e three sort of flying the Coupal at

14:38

once. And so twenty twenty happened in

14:40

the pandemic hit and, like, it kind

14:42

of bought them a little bit of time because you really couldn't

14:44

do an event like e three in twenty twenty. But

14:46

it also caused the sort of problem where

14:48

they didn't have time to sort of pick up the pieces.

14:51

Well, they had time, but they didn't have a chance. To

14:53

have an event and try to pick up the pieces. They didn't have

14:55

that impetus to do it. Like, the the

14:57

industry was not forcing them to do E3 three. And

14:59

so sort of in the space of that,

15:01

like, they don't have that institutional knowledge there E3.

15:04

They don't have a cohesive idea

15:06

of what e three is supposed to E3, and that that

15:08

kind of chaos has carried on

15:11

into now. And so I was

15:13

very optimistic that e three would eventually come

15:15

back, but kind of after reading

15:18

your thing earlier this

15:20

week, Kat, and sort of hearing about what's going on.

15:22

I I am less optimistic than I

15:24

have ever been, but E3 ever going

15:26

to get something resembling the

15:28

events that we all used to really love in e three

15:30

ever again because I I

15:32

don't know that anybody's ever

15:34

going to be the first person to

15:36

say, yeah, I'm committing to this. We're we're taking

15:38

this and and we're gonna do it.

15:39

So The

15:40

647 first person will always be Laurent de Talk

15:42

at Ubisoft who loves e three.

15:45

And I think generally Nintendo really

15:47

likes e

15:47

three too, but think that's a lot E3. You know,

15:49

everybody wants

15:50

to be fiscally responsible too.

15:52

And, like, you know, in in this year,

15:55

they might not see it as a necessary expense

15:58

Let's hope that maybe more we'll see it

16:00

as necessary thing next year. But to your point,

16:02

actually lived through the era of

16:05

all the people leaving the

16:07

ESA because we were on the on the

16:09

media side. The moment they said, oh,

16:11

we're we're not gonna do an e three because of the

16:13

pandemic. We reached out. We said, let's do a digital

16:15

event. IgA can IgA can produce it. E3

16:17

sent the pictures of the pictures. And, like,

16:20

they were incredibly unresponsive, and

16:22

it was the people in charge all

16:24

of the events I had left. And then,

16:26

you know, it's you E3 had a breakthrough. We

16:28

had a meeting with a call with E3

16:30

folks. And then

16:32

a week later is the person in charge of

16:34

that left. And, like, it it kept on just

16:36

going

16:37

to the point where we said, screw it. We're just gonna

16:39

do this IGN event, we call summer of gaming.

16:41

Right? It's a digital event. We'll pull together

16:43

some publishers and we'll we'll wrap some

16:46

of the events from others into it and we ran

16:48

that. And then the next day next year,

16:50

we tried it again, and it's again, like, people

16:52

leaving new crew. It was it

16:54

it it it was very 647 rating for us

16:56

because we we really wanted to support

16:58

E3, and we really wanted to be part of

17:00

it. And, like, it it just didn't work out.

17:03

But I'll say that the positive

17:05

note is that to the point of people

17:07

in charge of the events business leaving, they

17:10

did go to E3

17:10

pop. Right? And E3 is probably

17:13

the most experienced company

17:15

outside of game slash Aaron messing

17:17

with Gamescom. They're the most experienced

17:19

company they put on so many

17:21

events. I mean, I I don't even know how many packs

17:23

as they are anymore. Right? But they it's

17:26

so every town has its own packs. 647

17:28

an event planning

17:29

perspective, they will nail it, but they're

17:31

probably not the right people

17:33

to pull together E3 the industry.

17:35

No. They can't. Convinced folks in Japan

17:37

as well to spend the dollars to be part of this

17:39

event where -- Yeah. -- you know, like, Gamescom,

17:42

I think, are lucky in that

17:44

they're you're they deal with the euro European

17:46

market first and

17:47

E3, and it fits a little bit better into plans.

17:49

Yeah. So yeah. But I just think the longer this goes

17:52

the less likely it is. I agree with you. That

17:54

because if people have figured out they can they can get

17:56

through a year without

17:57

it, they don't need it. Oh, I mean, they is the

17:59

a lot of other events got canceled too. Remember,

18:01

you know, Nintendo used to do space

18:04

world. Microsoft used to do,

18:06

you know, Xbox events so E3.

18:07

It sounds

18:08

like a lot of that stuff, you know, has

18:11

E3- ear games. -- has disappeared because it

18:13

it was expensive and the pandemic derailed

18:15

all of that stuff. I gotta think they're,

18:17

you know, like, gamers

18:19

do want to see games

18:22

647. I think with streaming,

18:25

it is now easier to do that sort

18:27

of stuff. It's

18:27

not E3 But it's not the

18:29

same. It's not the same. I think

18:31

E3 three's dead.

18:32

Yeah.

18:33

I'm with Oh, no. It's over. I can

18:35

have called it. I had E3, folks.

18:37

I'm a

18:37

dad. Oh, everything

18:40

I hear about it just says that

18:42

the ESA doesn't really know how to put this on

18:44

from behind the scenes and there's no agreement on what

18:46

this is actually gonna look like. Yep. And

18:49

not only that, but a lot of companies just

18:51

they get let go of their events teams apparently

18:54

during the pandemic, which is another problem.

18:56

So -- Cool. -- shortsighted that's okay.

18:58

We just we

18:59

just don't under we just don't have the expertise

19:02

or and the environment is so different

19:04

now. People are E3 have realized

19:06

that they can put on digital showcases and command

19:08

ton of attention. Yep. Yep. And they're just not willing

19:11

to invest in these million

19:13

dollar bows for e three

19:16

right now. And so there are a lot of questions going

19:18

into this and from

19:20

everything that it sounds like E3 was

19:23

not doing a great job of providing

19:25

answers. And now companies

19:27

are drifting away. And

19:29

then beyond that, you know,

19:32

talking about the Nintendo piece of all of this.

19:35

I think that VGC

19:37

originally reported that one of the big

19:39

reasons that Nintendo, who's apparently a

19:41

fairly enthusiastic supporter of E3 going

19:44

into this, just said,

19:46

well, we don't have enough coming out

19:48

or or at least the

19:50

release schedule as it is right now does

19:52

not align with investing

19:55

in event space

19:57

E3. I think that's E3

19:59

you say is true. And I but you did say right

20:02

now, and I think that's the important thing to

20:04

remember here is, like, yeah, a lot

20:06

of companies downsized during the pandemic to

20:09

cut costs, you know, as as people wear maybe

20:11

buying fewer products. Obviously, the games E3

20:13

was a little bit more fortified there, but hitting

20:15

those headwinds now. And so,

20:18

yeah, events E3 got

20:20

reduced everywhere. There are fewer people working

20:22

on that sort of 647, but that is right now.

20:24

Right? Like, I've been I've been around long

20:26

enough to live through an era where

20:28

people weren't into comic books and Marvel

20:30

was almost out of business and fewer people were

20:32

going to Disneyland and, like, there things

20:35

come and go in waves and, like,

20:37

I gotta think somebody smart can

20:39

figure out how to create a an

20:41

event for gamers that everybody

20:44

wants to go to. And whether that's an LA

20:47

or not, I don't know. I mean, like, I would have never

20:49

predicted that three hundred

20:51

thousand people would go to Cologne,

20:53

my hometown, which is home

20:55

to a million people, which means like

20:57

three hundred thousand people adding

21:00

to this this town of a million,

21:03

I could have never predicted that. And I gotta think

21:05

that maybe there is an entrepreneurial E3,

21:08

like a, you know, an Austin Tech this or,

21:10

you know, another another place that has

21:12

experience with big events and that can --

21:14

Yeah. -- that can figure something like this out and

21:16

and partner with the ESA. But

21:21

Do you think the the E3 can replace

21:23

E3I don't think Jeff wants to go that big.

21:25

Right? Like, you know, and Jeff Jeff obviously

21:27

E3 his little bit of counter programming

21:30

to e three. 647 he really ticked him off at

21:32

one point, you know, right like

21:34

a E3 647 e three, so there'll be some content

21:36

there. But all that means is,

21:38

as somebody goes into games, a fan of

21:40

gaming guest E3

21:42

the physical event will not be a spectacular.

21:45

There will be a physical event and there will be games

21:47

there, obviously. But I do think the digital side

21:49

of things could be really exciting. Jeff will

21:51

do stuff, IGN will do stuff, you know,

21:53

e three will do streams and E3 carry that.

21:55

There'll be press conferences that might not

21:57

be branded e

21:58

three. But are still

22:00

in that same time 647. Nintendo even do

22:02

an Nintendo direct last June. I don't think they

22:04

did. I don't remember. I remember it being

22:07

pushed and

22:08

it was really surprising, actually.

22:10

III

22:11

don't think Nintendo is gonna be the big player

22:14

this year when it comes.

22:14

They did not. And I remember that. 647

22:17

because I was going to come to LA

22:20

to film a lot. We're 647 It

22:22

just didn't happen. Yeah. It just didn't happen.

22:24

So I I have two thoughts on this. I mean, one,

22:26

I think that Nintendo

22:29

certainly

22:31

can say we do not think our release schedule

22:33

aligns. That doesn't mean they have no games.

22:36

Right. I don't know where that's coming

22:37

647, but yeah.

22:38

No. I mean, I I think --

22:40

have nothing to showcase. -- they have Zelda.

22:42

Right? But that'll be out. Like, obviously,

22:44

they're they'll have a good view with the Zelda

22:46

game. I think Nintendo's definition of we don't

22:48

have enough too warrant spending this much money on

22:50

having a booth. So, you know, like, people I

22:52

don't think people should be worried that this means that it is gonna

22:54

have no games this year. I have seen kind of that discussion

22:56

around the E3 article. But the other thing

22:58

is I actually I I hate this. I

23:01

I wish we had a three, not just because I think a

23:03

three is 647, but because

23:05

this season sucks without

23:07

a central point for it all to focus on

23:09

back when we used to because I was

23:12

not writing for E3 at the time, but I did cover

23:14

e three and other outlets. And E3 three was,

23:16

you know, a little longer than a few days. It

23:18

kind of 647. It was it was like roughly a two

23:20

week period. The first week was a bunch of leaks.

23:22

You know, from like Walmart, Canada, or whatever

23:24

it was. And then the second week was, you know,

23:27

the the E3, long weekend of press 647, and

23:29

then the actual show floor stuff. And so if you were

23:31

a games person, you had, I guess, this is like

23:33

a little inside baseball, but you basically had two weeks that you

23:35

set aside in your calendar that you're gonna be working

23:37

a lot. And it's gonna very focused and you knock it out

23:39

and then you're done. Everybody's announced everything

23:41

they have and you can kind of breathe for rest

23:44

of the summer now that everyone's doing digital showcases

23:46

nonstop for six E3. It's stressful.

23:49

You never know when they're gonna happen. You never

23:51

know what's gonna get announced with them or whether it's

23:53

worth paying attention

23:54

to. And I I'm just sad about

23:56

this because this sucks. And it doesn't

23:58

feel the same. Like, I'm -- No. I love digital --

24:00

showcases, but when it's in this week, it's just

24:03

kinda it's just a nice cadence

24:05

to it where you go, oh my god. Sony is still

24:07

to come and Nintendo is still to come. Right? Like,

24:09

it's -- Yeah. -- it's always wonderful

24:11

time. And we used to have we used

24:12

to have Microsoft and Bethesda doing

24:14

separate ones right now. Obviously, Microsoft

24:16

bought every company.

24:17

So there's a lot of Dunkin' the EA press

24:19

647. That helped us. I feel like the game

24:21

awards are now the focal point because that's

24:24

when all the big trailers hit. That's

24:26

when everybody kinda comes together. There's

24:28

actually an event that we go

24:30

to. It's the only thing I can think of on

24:32

the actual calendar

24:34

that hits even half

24:36

as hard as E3 three at this point. Online.

24:38

In in person, obviously, gamescom attracts

24:41

just so many people. It's ridiculous. Right?

24:44

I'm I I speak of this from a very

24:46

American centric perspective. I

24:48

think that because it's in

24:51

that particular time zone, in that

24:53

particular part of the release calendar, there's

24:55

already a lot of stuff that has been

24:57

E3, and Gamescom is much more

24:59

about, like, okay, one final push

25:01

-- Mhmm. -- for

25:02

holiday stuff before it all comes It's

25:04

never the inbound management shows.

25:05

Yeah. It's a great festival in person, but it doesn't

25:08

have quite the -- Yeah. -- like news impact.

25:10

This in June and July, you usually had e

25:12

three in comic con. Comic con is when we see

25:14

all of them the Marvel and DC slate

25:16

and the new Star Wars and all of that stuff

25:18

in June. E3 get the announcements for

25:21

some major Christmas games, but usually

25:24

games you

25:24

know, a couple years out. Mhmm. Like,

25:27

Metroid, remember that trailer?

25:29

Oh, man. Trailer? It's

25:31

one of the best

25:31

the logo. E three trailers at the moment

25:34

of all time. But, yeah, the logo. Top

25:36

647 logo reveals --

25:37

Oh my god. -- in E3 three history. Look look

25:39

for that column for you. But Yeah.

25:42

I I can't I agree with you. I think I

25:45

don't wanna say it out loud because then it'll come true.

25:47

But I think E3II think

25:49

e three's dead. However, I

25:51

think that physical big

25:54

celebrations like this, like, there will be

25:57

a future analog to

25:59

e three. And I only say that based on

26:01

like completely anecdotal evidence, but I've

26:03

noticed that because my kids grew up

26:05

in a digital world, going

26:08

to a store is novel to

26:10

them. My nineteen year old was

26:12

like

26:12

saying, he's like, man, I hope malls come back that

26:14

just E3 so cool. Just about

26:16

all the ice shop. Malls are retro. Hell

26:18

yeah. Wow. Yeah. And, like, well,

26:21

Barnes and Noble has

26:23

seen a recovery. It's actually it's

26:26

sales is going are going up. They've opened

26:29

new Barnes and Noble

26:30

locations.

26:30

Books stores are back baby E3 up

26:32

in front of box. Stores. To

26:35

us, you know, like, the digital stuff, it

26:38

started out almost as a E3. Because

26:40

we all were so used to Yeah. How

26:42

many e threes did you have you been to

26:44

do when you're twenty

26:45

two? Not not E3

26:47

eight was my first one. That was the second year.

26:50

It was in Atlanta. And then

26:52

647 that year because it was such a s

26:54

show, it went back to LA the

26:56

next year. That was the the Atlanta

26:58

a second Atlanta one is the infamous one where

27:00

a construction crew by accident cut the

27:03

all the electrical wiring outside

27:05

of the hall. And E3

27:08

went down. That's amazing. 647, like,

27:10

E3 Internet went down for

27:12

an entire day and, like, a lot of the games

27:14

just didn't function because it was the

27:16

year of the online game and the

27:18

MMO. Wow.

27:20

That's amazing. It was a sign of

27:22

things to come. That's We had to none

27:24

of our Internet connections worked, so we would

27:26

play a bunch of games, and then take

27:28

a taxi back to the

27:29

hotels, which still had Internet and right

27:31

there and upload there. My secret favorite

27:33

e three was twenty eleven, which was the second

27:36

to last Nintendo press e

27:38

three. That was the year that they revealed the

27:40

E3 u. Mhmm. And so there's a lot

27:42

of excitement around that, but it was also Zelda's

27:45

twenty fifth anniversary that year, I E3.

27:48

And they were showing

27:50

skyward sword AND

27:52

DOING THE BIG BLOW OUT FOR THAT AND THEY HAD A

27:54

FULL SYMPHONY ORKISTRA AT

27:56

THEIR PRESS CONFERENCE AND THEY PLAYED

27:59

basically a Zelda suite -- Oh,

28:01

man. -- over, you know,

28:04

montage of various great zelda

28:06

moments.

28:06

And, you know, I got goosebumps watching

28:08

that. If you look back the early

28:10

years of e three, that that was when the industry

28:12

was discovering itself and going like, oh, yeah,

28:15

we could be bigger than E3. And obviously,

28:17

it is much bigger than Hollywood now.

28:20

And so the guest list was insane.

28:22

I mean, we saw David Bowie at

28:24

e three you know, he played the

28:26

who was there. The remaining

28:28

beatles were the beatles. E3. But

28:31

definitely at a beat at the they had no.

28:33

They had three thousand dollars. Right? And and Yoko

28:35

was there too. Of course. But

28:37

but it was yeah. They the the set

28:39

list, like, you know, you can Google

28:41

all the accent way e and e three.

28:44

There were just ginormous stars

28:47

and players there. And then, obviously, e a

28:49

would always bring the biggest

28:51

athletes on stage, you know, from

28:54

Muammar Ali to to god knows

28:56

whom, like, I don't I don't know 647 E3

28:58

all. But what are you favorite Madden people.

29:00

They've spent forty five minutes interviewing, like,

29:02

payday or something, and I would be like, that's

29:04

kinda cool.

29:04

Tired. Everybody would be like, what are you doing?

29:07

Yeah. I feel like

29:09

I missed out. I only got to go to two e threes.

29:11

Twenty seventeen and twenty eighteen, the first two eights

29:13

to a great

29:13

one. And twenty

29:14

seventeen was a good one. They were both very E3, and

29:16

I I went to them because I was still like

29:18

a fairly new E3, and

29:21

I I paid my own way to go to both

29:23

of them to to pick up E3,

29:25

to cover for other sites. And it's

29:28

e three twenty seventeen. Mhmm. The my

29:30

experience there is what convinced me that I wanted

29:32

to do this as a career. So III

29:34

thought in twenty nineteen, I didn't get to go

29:37

because we sent someone else that year when

29:39

I was at GI biz, and I I just like,

29:41

I assumed, oh, there will it's okay. There will be plenty

29:43

more. I I don't mind E3 this year.

29:46

Nope. Well,

29:46

thank you. My thoughts. Maybe we'll we'll get more.

29:49

I I am not optimistic.

29:50

By the way, we You bring up a an interesting

29:52

point because that's something that's E3, it's a

29:55

E3, tiny percent. But like a lot of people

29:58

who write in gaming now or

30:00

even work in gaming, have that E3,

30:02

like, I know somebody who was a freelancer

30:04

in, like, two thousand seven and he was in

30:06

a hotel room at the 647 with shared

30:09

with five other people, like, completely off

30:11

the record and, like, housekeeping was banging

30:13

on the door, telling them, like, why is there

30:15

someone sleeping in the tub? This is a rented

30:18

to one 647. And, you know, and, like, just

30:20

writing stories all night long and just having

30:22

a great time and making --

30:23

Yeah. -- and networking and meeting people -- Yeah. -- and

30:25

having a great time. I watched the Nintendo

30:27

Direct I think the one in twenty eighteen

30:29

crammed in a tiny Airbnb with two

30:31

other

30:32

riders, like sitting in living room on this terrible

30:34

Internet. Yeah, my

30:35

friend.

30:35

I think that was the that everything everyone

30:37

is here? Was that that year? Yep.

30:39

Yeah. I I think we're losing our minds over all

30:41

the smash characters and

30:42

E3. That was my first E3 three

30:44

and only.

30:45

Our set I didn't always we always

30:47

drove down, like, a lot of our editors would

30:50

pile into cars and drive

30:52

to

30:53

to LA from San

30:54

Francisco. And, like, we we even, like,

30:56

I think because we E3 rented some

30:58

buses like VW buses one

31:00

year and stuff like

31:02

that.

31:02

Yep. E3 bus is or a Yeah. Total E3

31:04

bus or, you know, rented an

31:06

SUV that could fit more people. And so they, like,

31:08

still videos floating around from, like,

31:11

the road trips. And it was really 647. You

31:13

know, it kind of it created definitely,

31:15

you know, tighter connection between the editorial

31:17

team members. We'd like,

31:19

I I think people 647 on on

31:22

in in my

31:23

house. Like, we had people stay over because we

31:25

just didn't have the money to pay for

31:27

that many people and everybody wanted to

31:29

go. So I mean, lots of 647 memories.

31:31

And then we just saw the the footage of

31:33

mister Iwata

31:35

giving, you know, being on stage

31:37

and and presenting. The other thing that

31:39

I lament that goes away when these

31:41

events aren't happening the way they used to is

31:43

that this is how spokespeople were

31:45

born. Right? Like without E3 being

31:47

old

31:47

Reg Regi two thousand four. Yeah. But I don't think

31:49

we would have discovered Regi as a personality in

31:52

the same with with mister Iwata. Like, they

31:54

were invited first to speak about

31:56

company 647 But E3 are

31:58

not for the E3. And then, yeah, they used to

32:01

earnings things like, Sony did an earnings

32:03

presentation where they everything was, like, slide.

32:05

It was a slideshow with a little big planet

32:07

characters and

32:08

stuff. Yeah. And 647 in writing

32:10

my column, I

32:11

just went and I watched a lot of

32:12

the press

32:13

647. And, you know, I said that two thousand fourteen

32:15

is probably the coolest one because it had that twilight princess

32:17

reveal. But if you go and watch the whole

32:19

thing Yeah.

32:19

-- eighty percent of it is bar 647,

32:22

Oh, yeah. I charts. You're talking about

32:24

what today's gamer

32:25

because it's supposed to be a press conference. Exactly.

32:28

I E3 I like that, but within them, it was

32:30

for investor result, sir. Right? And and and

32:32

and for the big E3. And

32:35

but what happened then is that people were talking

32:37

about financials who were interesting and

32:39

figured out clever ways do that. They kinda

32:41

became E3 spokespeople even if

32:43

they weren't in the highest

32:46

leadership position like mister Iuato

32:48

or

32:48

E3. And so I lament that that

32:50

some of that has gone away too with the move

32:53

to directs and things where, you know,

32:55

you you don't get that sort of variety and,

32:57

like,

32:58

you know, there are lots of memorable moments like

33:00

the connect presentation and and and

33:02

kudos to not trying to sell

33:04

this thing that wasn't quite working. And,

33:06

like, you know, like, sometimes you remember things for

33:08

the bad moments too. Like, the all

33:10

of theeconomy press 647,

33:12

for example. Oh my god. My

33:15

God. Do you have any specific memories

33:17

that you'd like to share on e three

33:19

as an industry

33:20

legend? My first e three was two thousand

33:22

and nine, but so I was talking to them about a

33:24

a connecting the move for a reveal

33:26

for the first time. And I was covering

33:28

it for one up dot com, and I

33:30

was E3 in on

33:32

a cot in hotel room with two

33:35

other two other journalists. And

33:38

I covered the show, had a great time, and

33:40

then 647, I everybody

33:42

was leaving, and my flight

33:44

didn't leave until the next day. So instead

33:46

of just checking into

33:49

a very cheap hotel, like a normal

33:51

person, I was a freelancer with

33:53

very little money, so I slept in

33:55

the LAX terminal -- Mhmm. -- on

33:57

the floor. And let me tell you

34:00

That was the worst night in my life. Never

34:02

do that. No. I don't recommend that.

34:04

It was very cold. The lights aren't

34:06

run all night. I was starving and

34:08

the janitors we're working until, like,

34:10

three in the morning. Yeah. So Yeah.

34:13

My recommendation my three recommendation is

34:15

don't sleep in LAX. I'm

34:17

good advice. Good one. Good

34:20

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34:23

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sweet views of that place

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you've always wanted to go. You know

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the one? It's nice. E3

34:35

the kids like it. This place is

34:37

so cool. And they never

34:39

like it. Mom, can we go to the pool?

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36:20

Well, oh, man, I'm I'm super

36:22

sad that man E3 I mean, it's not

36:24

can't stop canceling it. It's

36:26

over. It's just it sort of had the, you know,

36:29

the wind has been taken out of my system.

36:31

I was really excited I haven't

36:33

been, you know, like I said, I've only been to that one

36:35

time. And it was

36:35

it was like magical. That's something I E3 of

36:38

my entire life. Like, I was I'm very

36:40

I was forty years old, five years

36:42

ago. So I was it took me forty

36:44

damn years. You get to E3 three, and I went and

36:46

it was everything that I, like,

36:48

hope it would be. I almost

36:50

ran into Andrew WKI

36:53

ruined his cut his take because I swore

36:55

very loudly after you do it again. I

36:57

almost, like, reached out and and plucked

36:59

one of mister Miyamoto's hair. I

37:02

wanna recommend you, like,

37:03

wink. Yes, I did. I keep it in a in

37:05

a locket. Around all the time now.

37:07

But, no, that's not true. So, yeah, I'm

37:09

I'm super sad. And a lot of our question

37:12

block questions, I think E3 actually answered because

37:14

they were like, what E3, no. What is your

37:17

let let's hear some more about, like, your favorite

37:19

e three memories because that is, like, a really

37:21

a common question that people are asking question like,

37:24

what is your personal favorite

37:27

e three memory? And pair, I don't know

37:29

if I should start with you because you have to go like,

37:31

through the paradox in your

37:32

head. No. No. E3 III already gave

37:34

you the twilight princess E3, and that that

37:36

is definitely my all town time favorite

37:38

moment and not just because it created that

37:40

it that horrible meme that keeps

37:42

following me and and what's the E3?

37:45

Of course. Geijin Youngcoma. They

37:47

have four panel corners -- Okay.

37:50

-- multiple forward. So it's like a picture

37:52

of something then the reaction sad, a picture

37:54

of something the reaction excited. And excited

37:56

E3, of course, we staged because we

37:58

we had seen the twilight princess reveal

38:01

trailer before it was shown on 647. Somebody

38:04

at Nintendo showed it to us. And so then

38:06

we staged this fake excitement photo

38:08

where the the previous photo was from the

38:10

year before and it was a genuine reaction

38:12

of ambivalence to Nintendo show

38:14

and stuff like Pacman versus. Right.

38:17

So that no. But that that that moment is so

38:19

great. And, honestly, goosebumps just change

38:21

there. E3 who works at know your meme dot com

38:23

has to go and change that whole section now

38:25

to be like, actually, this No.

38:27

No. No. Like, I've I've told this story many times, people

38:29

always ask about it. And by the way, it is Like, people

38:31

don't realize that the meme is is

38:34

much better known in Japan to the point

38:36

where whenever I visit, I'll

38:38

see it in Harajuku on a freaking t

38:40

shirt on a wall. I have photos

38:42

of like sail and it's Asco

38:45

in cited. I'm like I'm like pointing

38:47

at it and and somebody goes, oh, I

38:50

went to my wife's Japanese company

38:52

picnic and they figured it out

38:54

too. And they're

38:55

like, oh, you're in that meme. Anyway,

38:57

so it's it's it's ridiculous. But

38:59

the other moment I really like was when

39:01

Nintendo went crazy on

39:04

signing up partners, and that was in the GameCube

39:06

era that gave us, you know, a zero

39:08

from Sega's incredibly talented

39:11

amusement vision division and all of that. E3

39:14

and a x, but also the

39:16

big lineup of Capcom games. That was

39:18

the reveal of resident evil 647, and that was

39:21

that whole thing, the, you know, Capcom

39:23

going all in on GameCube was

39:26

such a freaking amazing moment. Like,

39:28

it E3 just didn't expect this

39:31

tie this this team up and it was at

39:33

time where everybody's making fun of the purple

39:35

lunchbox and it's game console for kids

39:37

and all that. And here they come and they show resident

39:40

E3, and they show, you know, E3 three

39:42

games like that from E3. And

39:44

we were beautiful Joe. It it was

39:46

just so cool to see this sort of, like, partnership

39:49

between these two Japanese companies and and

39:51

how they rolled that out. Yeah.

39:54

The last good e three in my mind was twenty

39:56

eighteen. That was the last time that

39:58

Sony was actually there. And I remember they

40:01

created this absolutely ridiculous

40:04

set up where initially they had

40:06

the press and a tent altogether and

40:08

God, yes. It was a mixer and you

40:10

were drinking. And then they ushered

40:12

you into this barn and

40:14

it was standing room only. I

40:16

thought I was gonna faint. was like, is this gonna

40:18

be the entire show? Because I cannot

40:21

do this. I have to sit down. And

40:24

that was where they showed a new last of

40:26

us part two trailer because at the time

40:28

last was part two was, like, coming out and E3. It

40:30

was a kiss. I loved it. It was very nice.

40:32

And then they kept ushering us down

40:35

this whole line and now we're in a Japanese

40:38

zengarten and everything

40:40

and they usher us into this auditorium.

40:43

E3 somebody does

40:45

a big performance

40:47

with the Japanese traditional flute. Thank God,

40:49

I'm able to sit down at this point. And

40:51

that's when they showed the first trailer

40:53

for go to E3. Mhmm. So

40:55

and thank god. That's when they were like, okay. But

40:58

also, this is where we're gonna show the rest of the

41:00

Sony press 647. And

41:02

then they had a pretty good party after

41:05

that. And they were showing Spider Man that year

41:07

too. It's a great year there so many.

41:08

As someone who was also at that

41:10

event and who was five foot E3, it sucked.

41:13

Everyone was was, like, cheering

41:15

when the kiss happened in the barn. I couldn't see

41:18

anything. I had no no idea E3 we're

41:20

cheering about until my my

41:22

fellow editor who was standing next to me who's a little

41:24

bit taller explained it to me E3 I'm like, oh, yeah.

41:28

Like a several seconds too late. Now I idea what's

41:30

going

41:30

on. Yeah. They yeah. We need he

41:33

he was just such a wonderful event. Obviously,

41:35

you know, looking back at twenty years of it, there's

41:37

so many cool memories. It's 647 first time.

41:39

I played a VR game. Right? Like E3, I

41:41

played that at e three, and I was because

41:43

my mind was blown. It was almost like that

41:45

Mario sixty four moment of seeing Mario

41:48

move 647 the first time in political graphics and

41:50

all of that. And so it it's just you

41:52

know, something else will take its place 647 we don't

41:54

get that same thing. It's same thing

41:56

again. But, yeah,

41:57

it won't be the same. It's not.

41:59

It's always great. Yeah. It's always

42:01

great to go out and and kind of like see

42:03

this sort of intersection between digital games

42:05

and like something in the real world. And Nintendo's

42:08

been so great with its booths. Yes.

42:10

You know, like, they're building, like, a little

42:13

Zelda Wonderland in their booth, all of

42:15

that stuff. I hope if

42:18

they don't go back to E3 three in the future and they

42:20

E3 might I hope that survives somewhere

42:23

outside of Universal

42:24

E3, of course. Remember Right. Two thousand

42:26

seven, two thousand eight pair, e

42:29

three temporarily E3 E3

42:33

Santa Barbara. Santa Monica. Santa

42:35

Monica and it was much smaller

42:37

and everybody was calling e E3

42:38

dead.

42:39

They hated it. Then and it

42:41

left everybody hated it and it left

42:43

a huge hole in the

42:45

summer event schedule at the time E3

42:47

we had no Nintendo directs or anything

42:50

like

42:50

that. It became an event E3 little

42:52

bit more like a south by southwest or something.

42:54

It was, you know, more scattered and, like,

42:56

the companies would be in different hotels. Like,

42:58

it was just a logistical nightmare because

43:01

you know anything about LA 647, Santa

43:03

Monica has plenty of it and

43:06

like just getting from one place to the next was

43:08

just almost

43:08

impossible. Lots of missed appointments

43:10

and, like, just a general mess. But,

43:13

you

43:13

know, it was good. Like, I in hindsight, I

43:15

kinda like that idea of something a little bit more casual.

43:17

It took some of the bombas out of e

43:19

three. Like, I remember a year where, like,

43:21

tsunami would shoot fire from its

43:23

booth into the sky -- Yeah. -- 647 --

43:26

coming out of its metal gear booth. And,

43:28

like, E3 don't quite

43:30

need that. And all the booth babe stuff before

43:32

that. Absolutely. Like, all of that guy Santa

43:34

Monica, E3, and we we've got something

43:37

little bit more mature in

43:39

the right way. Yeah.

43:41

I'm I'm very sad. E three

43:43

is not

43:44

gonna happen this year and we're we're all It'll

43:46

happen. Something Well, you know it's

43:49

647 one who's looking.

43:50

It's not they they can't. So the That'll

43:52

be three. It'll just be E3. There's gonna

43:54

be an e three. They I

43:56

I can't I don't know how this works, but I assume they have

43:59

paid a big pile of money to reserve

44:01

the LA convention

44:02

center. They can't not show up.

44:04

Okay. My guess, they

44:05

can. E3 just one hundred percent penalty.

44:07

I am. I E3, honestly, my

44:09

very cynical belief is that, like, half the halls

44:11

are gonna be filled with,

44:13

like, block Shane games. Yeah. Because I'm happy to E3

44:15

it with some money to be there. There's

44:17

some there's some big third don't forget

44:19

about some big third E3, and hopefully

44:21

they're ready to show some people.

44:22

But, like, E3 will be in June. We

44:25

will be in June. We will be in

44:26

June. That is so hard. It's pretty good. There

44:28

will be the Xbox showcase E3 weekend before

44:31

That that's the thing. There will there will still be digital

44:33

showcases roughly around that time E3 we

44:36

haven't gotten away from the idea

44:38

that all those digital showcases need to be 647,

44:41

like, crowd in

44:43

the general vicinity of early June.

44:46

And I also think that probably quite a few companies

44:48

were sort of bracing themselves for doing that this year

44:50

anyway. That said, I wouldn't be surprised

44:52

if several delay or scatter or push

44:54

them around in such a way where it's not all condensate.

44:57

E3 like Grafton that might become

44:59

a bigger story because they'll be at

45:01

e three and they'll showcase some cool looking

45:03

games. Right? Like -- E3. -- 647. But

45:06

it's not Nintendo

45:07

players. I will say It sounds like

45:09

Ubisoft and NANDEMCO are the ones that

45:12

have the most to show -- Yeah. -- at this point.

45:14

Yes. So they're the ones who are the

45:16

most eager and

45:17

anxious, I think, to have some kind of

45:19

presence. No.

45:20

For Gekko, now he's coming back in big

45:22

way.

45:22

And E3, Xbox

45:23

of Pachinko machines. Yeah. And honestly,

45:26

Xbox is Xbox has a

45:28

lot of reasons to wanna have a presence

45:30

as well because they're trying to recover from twenty

45:32

twenty

45:32

two. And There's

45:34

nothing like that. So we've got games saw

45:36

something. This won't be on the e three show floor. But

45:38

doesn't isn't Microsoft trying to tell everybody

45:40

they're a very small company and

45:43

buying Activision doesn't change anything in the

45:45

dynamics so they don't actually make games -- The

45:47

humble -- Sony's doing that too. They're trying to say, actually,

45:49

we're a very small company. And if Xbox Box buys Activision

45:51

Blizzard, we will

45:52

die.

45:53

I E3.

45:53

We will simply just E3.

45:55

That's it. E3 the decision to not have

45:57

a June booth too.

45:58

Another another 647, everything

46:00

is coming out in June. E3.

46:03

You know, it's crazy. I mean, we've got

46:06

E3. We've got, you know Here's at the E3. All

46:08

all of that still will be out. And that's very

46:10

unusual. Right? Like, in past years,

46:12

we'd get a big Reson E3 release in January

46:15

or, like, a big Nintendo release in March.

46:17

But, like, it's kinda shifted to, like,

46:19

May, June, which is is it's

46:20

only E3 half of the year now. because

46:22

everything keeps getting delayed and so everything just keeps

46:24

getting shuffled.

46:25

So,

46:26

Seth, don't wrap up saying that was

46:28

the last e three. That was the last e three

46:30

that we ever have in in two thousand

46:32

nineteen. I hope you were lucky enough to have been

46:34

there because it'll never happen yet. Well, something's

46:37

happening. And I I as we were talking,

46:39

I remembered, oh, you know what, Pac E3 last

46:41

year was the first Pac E3, and they had

46:43

a diminished, you know, number of

46:45

of people there there. And diminished number

46:47

of

46:48

E3, and I went one day, and

46:50

I had a very good time. Seth,

46:52

are you E3 eat? Are you going to taxis this year?

46:54

Seth and I are teaming up. So do you know

46:56

if Nintendo's got a booth

46:57

there? No. I don't think there's no idea.

46:59

Oh, that's a bummer. I I was kinda wondering because they

47:01

did a really lovely animal crossing new horizons

47:04

booth at packs E3 twenty twenty, which was

47:06

right before everything shut down, and it was a fantastic

47:08

booth and I had a great time. And I was sort

47:10

of hoping for your sakes that maybe because

47:12

like, we won't get a big tears of the kingdom

47:14

booth. Like, we got that big breath of the wild booth. And

47:16

so E3 you would get a

47:17

tears

47:17

of the kingdom booth and it packed

47:19

E3, Gamescom was the same way Gamescom

47:21

did not have a Nintendo booth either. So it

47:23

it's it's definitely companies saving their

47:25

dollars and --

47:26

Yeah. --

47:26

we'll see how long that that austerity lasts.

47:29

Yep. It's well, next earning seasons, we're gonna

47:31

hear lot of unforeseen negative

47:34

economic headwinds. Talk

47:35

during the earnings. E3 of

47:38

rumors, there's a rumor

47:41

about a Nintendo direct, and I feel like there always

47:43

is. So rest assured, as soon as

47:45

we wrap Today's episode, Nintendo will

47:47

officially announce

47:49

it.

47:54

But what are these

47:55

rumors? Cat, did have

47:57

you broken any stories about these rumors?

48:00

No scoops yet. But, damn. The

48:02

preponderance of evidence suggests

48:05

that there will be a Nintendo

48:07

direct announced next week.

48:10

There's already been a fair number of leaks.

48:12

One of the big ones that has been circulating

48:14

around Reddit is that advanced

48:17

wars is going to be coming out Possibly

48:19

as soon as February. Oh,

48:22

what? It is February. Yep. It's

48:24

February folks. I

48:26

E3, January did last ten years. So

48:28

I can I understand it was the longest January

48:31

in history?

48:31

That game's been sitting there good. Uh-huh. And

48:34

put in stock. Job. February

48:36

is traditionally when Nintendo hosts a Nintendo

48:39

direct because it wants to set the

48:41

agenda for the rest of the year.

48:43

And E3, they have a little game to promote

48:45

called Legend Zelda Tears of the Kingdom. I've heard

48:48

of it. There's a fair amount of DLC that

48:50

we can probably expect to be hearing about

48:53

because, you know, like, Chronicles is one,

48:55

Pokemon, Scarlet, and Violet. I would not be surprised

48:57

if they laid out the expansion pass

49:00

647. For that one. Obviously,

49:03

already mentioned advanced wars, so that's just

49:05

off the top of my head. But there's plenty

49:07

plenty to show It's time.

49:10

I'm looking forward to it. So there's gonna be something

49:12

next

49:12

week. We'll see. Yeah. Am I gonna first look at Pickman?

49:15

E3? Pickman four. E3

49:17

could also I love bringing this up on the show because

49:19

I think it's

49:19

hilarious. I that report last

49:21

year about everybody's one two switch,

49:24

I keep hoping that they'll finally decide to

49:25

actually know where to stop somewhere. I just I

49:28

just wanna know because it was E3,

49:30

like, more of a game show format, and they had a

49:32

host, and the host's name was horse, and

49:34

it was just like a guy with a horse

49:36

head. And I just I really wanna

49:38

see that. I just wanna know what that looks

49:40

like.

49:41

So it's just bojack horseman? Kinda.

49:43

Yeah. Like, I I don't know. I E3, I read the report

49:46

but I have not I haven't seen any work,

49:48

I guess. I want it I I believe that

49:50

report. I'm I'm kinda wondering if they'll

49:52

just can that game

49:53

entirely, and we'll never

49:54

see No. But I really

49:55

host. I want this horse. You'd

49:57

be surprised the number of games that

49:59

you would probably really wanna play, that do

50:02

actually get finished and then you never see it

50:04

or hear about it. Nobody ever announces it.

50:06

Just goes into a

50:07

fault. Then

50:07

the the internal feedback was apparently enough

50:09

on that, but I wouldn't be shocked if we just

50:11

never saw it. I remember you'd be soft announcement of

50:13

canceling five unannounced E3. You

50:15

know, one of them obviously was an ounces a

50:17

code named project, whether it's a project queue or something.

50:20

But, like, there are games being canceled

50:22

all the time, and you

50:24

don't hear about it all unless there's some

50:26

sort of data

50:27

E3. Yeah. Last year, Webb

50:29

broke the news about that plans versus zombies

50:32

game. Yeah.

50:33

Is E3. It was mostly at the post.

50:35

Right? It wasn't fully a game. It was

50:37

like a tech demo. No.

50:39

Well, they had, like, I

50:42

I saw in the process of reporting that

50:44

I 647, like, not quite half an

50:46

hour, but, like, like, twenty minutes of

50:48

of gameplay footage of that

50:51

game being played. Like a like a full level was I

50:53

mean, you know, it wasn't it wasn't, like, fully

50:55

polished, ready to go or E3. But

50:57

mean, they were they were decently far along. Like, it was

50:59

it was playable. It was going well. They didn't have all

51:01

the levels

51:02

done, but, like, it was it was going

51:04

alright. Yeah.

51:05

As usual, the It was

51:06

canceled for Star

51:07

Wars. As usual, there will be

51:09

all of the usual rumors about, like, Metroid

51:11

and

51:12

-- Oh, yeah. -- but

51:13

not. Jeez. What do you think

51:15

there? I

51:17

don't think that's this year. think I

51:19

mean, I'm always telling

51:20

us a leap beat. Is that what that is? No. It's a

51:22

leap beat agents. Time is ready for them to

51:24

say, yes, we're still working on and giving us

51:26

a life sign because it's been way too long

51:28

and, you know, like, I think

51:30

and intend to own o's gamers and

51:32

answer as to what the hell is going on. And it sounds

51:35

like E3 is obviously working on it and

51:37

we'll get something nice when it's done. But,

51:39

like, I don't I have a hard time believing

51:41

he's gonna ship this

51:42

year. Just kind of,

51:43

you know, I don't know. And and especially

51:45

if Pickman is latter half of the

51:47

year. I think Pittman is gonna be what Nintendo's

51:49

gonna focus on

51:50

more. That's a E3 motor beer.

51:52

You know? I

51:53

wouldn't be shocked if we had one of those, like, very

51:55

Nintendo statements where one of the spokespeople

51:57

comes out and says, hello, we know you've all been

51:59

waiting for news about Metroid Prime four. We're

52:01

sorry to say the game is not ready. Mhmm.

52:03

We have a little bit to show you, and then they show us

52:05

like some art or some stills or like a

52:08

very short trailer and they say, you know, please be

52:10

patient with us we will have more to share

52:12

next year or something. Yeah. And then --

52:14

Yeah. -- believe it at that. I wouldn't be shocked if we

52:16

got that. There are also all of the rumors

52:18

about the

52:20

supposed Metroid Prime E3.

52:23

E3 That thing that is supposedly done and sitting

52:25

on the shelves that we've E3. So sitting on the shelves

52:27

keep saying But there was E3 when we did

52:29

our kinda look forward episode, we talked about

52:32

aspirations. What we would love to see this

52:34

year, and we all agreed, hey, it's a year of a

52:36

Mario movie and a Mario theme park.

52:38

So they'll probably have some Mario

52:39

game. And, like, it doesn't sound like what

52:41

we're hearing now. It does not. But they're

52:43

not gonna be an e three, and they're not showing

52:45

a Mario. I mean, I WOULD

52:47

NOT BE SHOCKED IF THEY,

52:49

LIKE IN twenty twenty, twenty nineteen

52:52

HAD PLANS TO MAKE A BIG E3,

52:54

LIKE AN E3 follow-up or something

52:56

and time it with this Mario movie that they definitely

52:58

knew they were going to have --

52:59

Mhmm. -- at this time. And then the pandemic

53:02

just completely demolished it. And now they're not ready to

53:04

do it. I would almost E3, Rip, that the

53:06

Mario team has been working on something

53:08

behind the scenes that we do not know about for

53:10

quite while

53:10

now, and Nintendo's just not ready to show it.

53:12

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There's Marty, E3,

53:16

you'll pay too. Let's go. All the deep

53:18

cuts today.

53:19

We're

53:19

seen the b roll 647 Mario Paint. That's why we're all

53:21

reacting right now. E3, gosh. Also,

53:24

to bring this up again, but maybe that patent

53:26

kai toe's rumor is

53:27

true. I would love that. Oh, Rip. I

53:29

want that for you. So Yeah. I

53:31

got my I mean, it was a little bit of a poison

53:34

chalice.

53:34

Like, E3 my I got my Valkyrie profile

53:36

sequel last year, and it was devil may cry

53:38

for some reason. But If I ever

53:41

ever if we get Ben Khaitos or

53:43

Golden ever. You will hear me screaming

53:45

from miles

53:46

away.

53:46

There are hundreds of millions of gamers

53:48

clamoring for these games to I

53:50

get sorry.

53:51

Say millions.

53:52

I'm Hundreds of millions.

53:55

Okay. There are hundreds of E3 who

53:57

are clamoring 647 There are hundreds of kids

53:59

franchise.

54:01

There may be ten whole

54:03

people outside these including

54:05

these two who are looking forward to

54:07

these I remember do you remember the Mario

54:10

the the Mario three commercial with all the people going

54:12

Mario.

54:13

Mario. And then it pulls

54:15

out and you see the Mario face on the planet?

54:17

It'll be like But people

54:20

E3 be

54:21

like, what is their face? Is that a card?

54:23

Yeah. Oh. But what makes

54:25

fun of

54:25

Oh, there I have thirty. The 647. I

54:28

I had with it. Do you guys does

54:30

anyone Rob, you're probably too young. Do you remember

54:32

when you had to stand there and do that to

54:34

make that

54:34

commercial? How old You're pretty bad.

54:37

I had to get together to stand up.

54:39

I was in that commercial. I

54:40

was I was over near the hat. So

54:42

Nintendo didn't have to even show

54:45

gameplay. That's how big and known Mario

54:47

three was at

54:47

times. Like E3 three. It's

54:50

here. Yeah. Well, you

54:52

know, E3 makes this joke every time Wario

54:54

sixty four makes the joke every time like the wizard is

54:56

on sale. He calls it the first Nintendo or

54:58

the Super Mario three Nintendo Direct. On sale.

55:01

That's funny for nine ninety

55:02

nine. I saw that in the theater with my friends

55:04

in more hype.

55:05

Oh, no. E3. Do video

55:07

games still have commercials like, in the

55:09

traditional sense? On E3. I

55:12

mean, am I missing something? They do.

55:14

It's a lot of mobile games. Yeah. Okay.

55:16

Only know those games

55:17

that don't exist. I only know this because I went home

55:19

for Christmas. Okay. And they're like

55:22

like, I think they were called of E3

55:23

commercials. Yeah. And

55:25

then I E3

55:26

guessed games. You know what? I see them every

55:28

time I go to, like, a a sports bar

55:30

type establishment,

55:32

you'll see, like, ESPN playing, and

55:34

you'll see a game commercial on that. So Oh,

55:36

yeah. I think they still 647.

55:37

And they still run on E3 and YouTube, obviously.

55:39

I just I remember Mario, like, Super Mario

55:41

World commercials extremely well. Yeah.

55:44

I remember the guy walking up to the

55:46

theater screen and then slamming a

55:48

con cartridge into the Super Nintendo and now

55:50

he's playing Super E3 World and s

55:52

647 and his hair is like flying back.

55:55

Paul Rudd. Was that, like, a

55:57

E3? That was Paul Rudd. Get out. Have

55:59

a very fuzzy memory of a

56:01

World of Warcraft burning crusade commercial

56:03

with, like, some famous E3, yelling,

56:08

Oh my god. About

56:09

being a night elf and having

56:11

a Mohawk. What?

56:14

Somebody somebody in the comments will know

56:16

what this is. Okay. Yeah.

56:18

They always do. And then they'll link to it. Now

56:20

you're playing with power. Super power. Yeah.

56:22

Oh,

56:23

remember the was it was it

56:25

Mario party where they were doing the E3

56:28

and you and you and me no matter how they talk to the

56:30

dice song and they

56:30

had, like, the the Mario Mascots, and they had giant

56:32

dice, and they were, like, fighting each other.

56:34

And that's our biggest challenge. Brothers, E3,

56:36

Sasha. No. No. No. That was a murder party.

56:38

I might've

56:39

been smash

56:40

by those. You might E3 might be right. Smash sixty four.

56:42

Let's E3 party. I don't know if that's a commercial.

56:44

I I don't remember. It was one of the it was one of the games. There

56:46

it is. Yep. Oh, I don't know that that's the one

56:48

I was thinking of, but they definitely E3 those

56:50

those mascots. They're like they're like it's

56:53

so so happy together

56:54

songs. So they're like running down the 647 together and to the

56:56

grass. I don't know. 647.

56:57

But the 647 Nintendo commercial was

57:00

definitely the Zelda dancing commercial.

57:02

The Japanese That

57:05

was so cool. It was so good. Yeah. Amazing.

57:08

And my goal is to learn all the moves

57:10

of that dance so that I can perform it live

57:13

Next time we're in studio

57:14

together,

57:14

so I'll hear from 647. When E3 three returns

57:17

Yeah. And this will be doing

57:19

this.

57:20

This is canonically confirms

57:22

that link is a great

57:23

Seth is gonna be dressed up in the the link

57:25

costume. Yep. Yep. My favorite

57:27

is his uncle. Behind him with the mustache. This

57:29

is the best guy. Anyway, if you if you

57:31

have never watched the Japanese link

57:33

to the past

57:34

commercial, go watch

57:36

it. It's so good. And there's a German language

57:38

version as well.

57:39

Oh, man. And yet My

57:40

favorite iteration of Link right there should have been in

57:42

Smash Brothers. Hey. Yeah.

57:44

Yeah. I love brunette, all that too. It's

57:46

so cute.

57:47

It's so secretly getting a E3. Is

57:50

wondering. This

57:50

is beautiful stuff right here.

57:54

E3 so much fun making this.

57:55

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Go ahead.

58:03

Okay. Now it's time for the E3. E3

58:06

we talk about the sort of things that are going on, games

58:08

that we're playing or fun that we're having

58:12

I'm just gonna take charge of this

58:14

right now because I'm so excited. Mhmm. Because I

58:16

won an online auction. Goodwill.

58:18

Oh, boy. What you got.

58:21

I didn't expect to win it. I woke

58:23

up this morning and it's like congratulations. You

58:25

have won the

58:28

majora's mask. Toys

58:31

R Us exclusive E3 VHS

58:35

Why the banjo, E3 sneak peek

58:37

included -- Wow. -- wild. E3.

58:41

It is a sealed copy. Wow.

58:44

The Legend of Zelda Bajor's Mask, Hot

58:46

Video Preview, and exclusive Toys R Us

58:48

647. And I am pretty

58:50

stoked on that because Shop

58:53

goodwill, I really love just 647. But

58:55

as far as trying to find things for

58:58

their market value, a

59:00

lot of times you don't because the shipping is

59:02

outrageous. Mhmm. This one I got for

59:05

lot less than

59:06

market, but

59:06

I was gonna ask for E3 we dare to ask

59:08

how much it was?

59:10

I it was I won the

59:12

auction for, I think, forty eight

59:14

dollars. Oh, wow.

59:15

Okay. That's great.

59:16

So are you going to un -- And

59:19

there's a E3. -- I did not know it was 647. Or are

59:21

you going to leave it sealed? Oh, I don't

59:23

know because I originally I searched

59:25

for video. On YouTube time. And,

59:27

yeah, that's also true. But It's not

59:29

the 647. The E3 copies that I saw

59:32

when I sorted by sold E3 going

59:34

647, like, a hundred and thirty dollars. No.

59:36

I'm probably E3. Go also, did

59:38

you know VHS E3 is a thing

59:40

now? Oh,

59:42

absolutely. Yes. I mean, they're

59:44

gonna be in bad shape. Otherwise. Yeah.

59:46

Yeah. Bad shape. I mean, they die.

59:48

Like, they

59:49

Yeah. E3, like, erase and Yeah. No.

59:51

I have I have a tape at sucks because it's my

59:53

great grandfather giving a, like, a

59:55

historical society speech and it's got

59:57

mold on it because actually E3 --

59:59

That's

59:59

disgusting. -- it was Moles. I don't know

1:00:01

if I could watch it and it's

1:00:02

Oh, boy. All of my Disney movies in my parent's

1:00:05

basement are probably in trouble. Oh, yeah. E3 not

1:00:07

all BHS tapes are good. Seth,

1:00:10

This year is the thirtieth anniversary of 647,

1:00:13

and I promise this is related. And

1:00:15

one of my favorite things ever was the

1:00:17

promotional tape for Starbucks sixty four.

1:00:20

In which Sony

1:00:22

and Sega, representative, kidnap

1:00:25

some kind of Nintendo agent and

1:00:28

basically torture

1:00:30

him for information on Star 647

1:00:32

sixty four and the rumble pack.

1:00:34

Oh my god. On. And it is really

1:00:37

something else. Yes. This is it. E3

1:00:39

is it right here. And so we get a

1:00:41

lot of, like, gameplay clips about star fox sixty

1:00:43

four. We learn about how amazing No.

1:00:44

No. They're E3 me. This

1:00:47

is like a good 647. Mario. Maybe

1:00:50

poke out your ride to E3 stuck with this

1:00:52

Sonya, the sega

1:00:53

shirt. This

1:00:56

is incredible. Yeah. It's

1:00:58

one of the greatest things ever. I watched

1:01:00

it at the time. They were sending it out

1:01:02

to Nintendo power subscribers. And

1:01:06

at the end, of course, the sega and Sony

1:01:08

representatives say learn to love

1:01:11

Star 647 sixty four.

1:01:12

Of course. Yeah. And

1:01:13

everybody's very excited about it.

1:01:15

So -- Sure. -- wonderful. Oh,

1:01:19

647. Never do this in

1:01:21

twenty twenty three, E3 ninety seven. Have

1:01:23

not hurt Mario

1:01:25

like this. No. E3 not allowed.

1:01:26

Seaga started it. think the Nintendo

1:01:29

people will say.

1:01:30

Oh, my god. Like,

1:01:32

Sega looked cool by being so

1:01:34

aggressive and, like, you know, E3

1:01:36

and Nintendo countered.

1:01:38

Yeah. We started off with, you

1:01:41

know, Sega, Genesis does,

1:01:43

what Nintendo. That's how we started the

1:01:45

decade. And the end of decade was

1:01:47

Woodstock ninety nine. That's right. Kinda

1:01:49

way kinda get out of

1:01:50

hand. We're E3 there commercial at some

1:01:52

point of a guy in the crash bandicute mascot

1:01:54

suit standing outside. I would take only two covers

1:01:56

and, like, yelling at him. Those

1:01:58

are great. Those are

1:01:59

very good

1:02:00

cards. Yep.

1:02:00

Even though I think that the crash bandicoot games

1:02:02

there.

1:02:04

Gaurav. Oh. A minor setback. Miner

1:02:07

E3, but because I didn't get to share my favorite e three

1:02:09

memory, it is in fact e three

1:02:11

twenty I think it was twenty seventeen. There

1:02:13

was a guy in the crash bandicoot suit. Who

1:02:15

was trying to get into those at the

1:02:17

crash bandicoot booth, which was outside of the metal

1:02:19

detectors. And the suited guy was

1:02:21

trying to go into the hall, but security wouldn't

1:02:24

let him through. Because he wouldn't fit through the metal detectors,

1:02:26

so they couldn't check and make sure he didn't have metal.

1:02:29

E3 stood outside of the metal detectors with

1:02:31

a megaphone and was yelling into the hall. And

1:02:33

I just walked asked him yelling, I don't know what,

1:02:35

just end of the hall through the metal detectors and the security

1:02:37

guards were

1:02:38

staying. They're not sure what to do. Incredible

1:02:40

moment. Uncharted four is

1:02:42

the best crash band it could game.

1:02:47

Well, now that we've talked about VHS

1:02:49

tapes, I wanna know what is your verse goings

1:02:51

on this E3

1:02:53

cat. What is happening in the cativerse? Well,

1:02:55

in the cativerse, I'm getting on an airplane on

1:02:57

E3. I'm flying to Pennsylvania. And

1:03:00

I've had to make a hard decision about whether or not

1:03:02

was gonna bring my switch and E3 or so I was

1:03:04

gonna bring my steam deck. And I'm sorry

1:03:06

to say my Nintendo Switch will be staying

1:03:09

home and my steam deck will

1:03:11

be coming with me E3 we're not playing crisis

1:03:13

core remastered at the moment. Okay. And

1:03:16

Wow. That game is all over the place in

1:03:18

terms of visuals. It can be really gorgeous

1:03:20

at times, especially during the actual

1:03:23

combat and E3. And then there are

1:03:25

the times where the character models look

1:03:27

almost sub PSP. It's pretty

1:03:30

remarkable -- E3, really

1:03:32

fun game. E3 I'm enjoying

1:03:34

it. Like, not enough where I'm like, this

1:03:36

is my game of the year. This is like so amazing.

1:03:39

What a great add to 647 Fantasy

1:03:41

seven? Because it is a deeply deeply

1:03:44

silly story. It is firmly

1:03:46

in that post 647 E3 seven, compilation

1:03:49

of final fantasy seven. By the way,

1:03:52

I've heard people say that we don't have E3

1:03:54

people on Nintendo's

1:03:56

647. III cover RPG's. It's like

1:03:58

a thing. It's my thing. But --

1:03:59

Say E3 can't remember.

1:04:00

-- podcast. About RP I

1:04:02

have podcasts about RPGs. Yeah. But you've

1:04:04

been doing for, like, a long time since

1:04:06

at least two thousand nine. But Yeah.

1:04:09

Yeah. I've been playing Crisis Core really

1:04:11

enjoying it. And so that's gonna be the game

1:04:13

that comes with me, and I'm also gonna E3 playing

1:04:15

persona five royal. And I wanna play

1:04:18

a space for the inbound. And I'm kinda hoping

1:04:21

It's on PCs. I I think it must've

1:04:23

It is. Yeah. Okay. Because gonna get that on my

1:04:25

steam deck as well. So I should be pretty

1:04:28

well set. I think 647 from the

1:04:30

fact that I'm gonna be flying across the

1:04:32

E3, so

1:04:34

my E3 deck might not last so long, but that's

1:04:36

okay because I can watch a movie or something on my flight

1:04:38

too. Bring a break. Gonna say having

1:04:40

traveled with both, I will go

1:04:42

probably switch from now on just because

1:04:44

the steam deck is a little too

1:04:46

bulky.

1:04:46

It is.

1:04:47

I can in the switch, I can just fit into,

1:04:49

like, my sling. Yeah. And then

1:04:51

they yeah. I'll say that I prefer

1:04:53

the form factor of the switch by

1:04:57

big factor. Like, I when I'm playing

1:04:59

on Switch, it also has a better screen too because

1:05:01

I have the OLED and everything. Mhmm. I

1:05:03

would be playing 647 Emblem Engage on that one,

1:05:06

but I like 647 Emblem Menge,

1:05:08

but I need to

1:05:10

go down to normal so that the maps

1:05:12

don't feel quite as much like a grind a

1:05:14

grind because they're very kinda

1:05:17

slow and time consuming and that kind of thing.

1:05:19

And I'm just more in an action

1:05:21

mood at the moment. I guess you can say I was

1:05:23

also playing hi fi rush

1:05:25

Last night,

1:05:25

so that is her 647

1:05:28

tasty. Why is it so polished? It's

1:05:30

like it's like persona in that

1:05:32

E3 the menus and everything about the

1:05:34

game feels like,

1:05:36

yep, they had so much time to finish and

1:05:38

polish it. E3 said that it reminded

1:05:40

them of an early two thousand Skincare

1:05:42

game because it really has that I

1:05:45

E3, first of all, has the cell shading it

1:05:47

feels like a throwback to beautiful Joe

1:05:49

in particular, which of course, E3

1:05:52

and all of them, like, have

1:05:54

direct links to the Platinum

1:05:57

kinda era. Right? And that was from when beautiful

1:05:59

Joe was. So I I

1:06:01

feel like this is just a a wonderful throwback

1:06:03

even though it's not on a a Nintendo

1:06:06

647. That kind of thing. Yeah. I I absolutely could

1:06:08

see this as a game that would come out on the

1:06:11

the GameCube circuit two thousand four.

1:06:14

They wouldn't have the tech to do this rhythm

1:06:16

stuff then, though. Mhmm. Oh, app. This is apparently

1:06:18

very, very 647.

1:06:19

No. At the

1:06:20

vibe. The vibe. But, yeah, the the

1:06:22

aesthetic. Yeah. And and the vibes. Aesthetic.

1:06:24

You're you're absolutely

1:06:25

right. What's going on in near me versus

1:06:27

this week? I just

1:06:30

finished a very cool little indie

1:06:32

game called E3. That's

1:06:34

r e colon call,

1:06:36

CALL. It is

1:06:38

it is on switch. It is on I I was playing

1:06:40

on Game Pass. It's on it's on various other platforms.

1:06:43

It came out in E3, and

1:06:45

it is this really interesting premise, you

1:06:47

play as this kind of, like, weird entity

1:06:49

ghost thing. There's you end up hanging

1:06:52

out with there there is a main character that you hang out for most

1:06:54

of the game, but you you can kinda jump to other characters

1:06:56

too. And with whoever you are with

1:06:58

gains the ability to

1:07:01

when they are recounting the

1:07:03

way an event happened. So, like,

1:07:05

recounting their memory of an event, whatever

1:07:08

they recount is what ends up really happening.

1:07:10

So to kind of -- Okay. -- explain how this works.

1:07:12

The opening sequence is you are this guy

1:07:14

named Javier who has been caught trying to break into

1:07:17

this villainous villainous lair, the villainous name, the toy

1:07:19

maker, the toy maker is interrogating you. How did

1:07:21

you get in here? And you were sort of going

1:07:23

through step by step while I was outside your

1:07:25

647, and there and you have the option.

1:07:27

There's a green guard guarding the door. There's a blue

1:07:29

guard guarding the door, or there was no one guarding

1:07:31

the door. And you pick which one and whichever

1:07:33

one it is, suddenly becomes true. And

1:07:36

then you can say,

1:07:38

oh, I found a rock on the ground or I found

1:07:40

a gun on the ground and there's like, There's like

1:07:42

a green guard in the room with you, and so you can

1:07:44

pick up the gun and then shoot the green guard. And

1:07:46

if you do that, the green guard in the room you was suddenly dead because

1:07:48

you shot him E3, like he's not there. But

1:07:50

then you're you're basically trying to puzzle

1:07:53

your way through which which sequence

1:07:55

of recalled events will get you

1:07:57

to a situation where you can escape this

1:07:59

this situation where you're in, where you're trying to escape

1:08:02

the toy maker. So you're trying to figure out, okay,

1:08:04

well, if the guard is dead,

1:08:06

then you know, I, you know, maybe have an avenue

1:08:08

to get out of the room later or maybe I steal the

1:08:10

gun and keep it because then if I steal the gun, I have

1:08:12

gun on my person now and maybe I can use that

1:08:14

to 647. So you're basically trying to, like, work your way

1:08:16

through this memory. That that's just the opening sequence. It's

1:08:18

a really good tutorial for kinda how the the

1:08:20

mechanic works. You end up kind of in this

1:08:23

this very strange, like

1:08:25

like scifi, almost

1:08:28

like spy thriller kind of

1:08:30

E3. With this kid named Bruno

1:08:32

who who's got who now has the power of this

1:08:34

ghost and is just trying to navigate how

1:08:37

it ends up affecting his

1:08:39

life and and it ends up it

1:08:42

ends up going like kind of a little

1:08:44

bit deep at one point

1:08:46

on,

1:08:46

you know, like, the

1:08:48

impact of bullying and loving yourself.

1:08:51

But also, I just think that mechanic is really cool

1:08:53

and a lot of the artwork is really

1:08:54

neat. So Yeah. I I really like to recall. It's

1:08:57

it was short didn't take me too long to finish. A couple

1:08:59

hours. Okay.

1:08:59

Makes me think of a cartoon network game

1:09:02

that would come out on GBA.

1:09:03

Yeah. It does have those vibes. It has kind

1:09:05

of that I 647 up a little, like like, spread

1:09:08

kind of --

1:09:08

Yeah. -- like little characters walking around.

1:09:11

Yeah. It's it's very puzzle oriented and it's

1:09:13

it's yeah. It was cool. I I was very surprised

1:09:15

by

1:09:15

it. E3 surprised.

1:09:17

Alright. E3, have

1:09:19

you been keeping busy? I have been E3.

1:09:22

I have been my wife's on a business trip. She's not

1:09:24

back until next E3. And so, you know,

1:09:26

my evenings usually are hanging

1:09:28

out with her and and right

1:09:30

now since E3 gone. I'm I'm playing a lot

1:09:32

more games and watching shows in movies

1:09:34

that she would absolutely hate, of course. And

1:09:37

so -- Yes. -- I've been playing 647 Raj I've

1:09:39

been playing Dead Space. You

1:09:41

know, I I got I

1:09:43

I wanted to play all sorts of other

1:09:45

games, and then I booted up 647 survivors,

1:09:47

like, an E3. And

1:09:48

then

1:09:48

No. -- it's, like, six hours later.

1:09:50

Yeah. Like, I just

1:09:52

What am I doing? I can't wait for that to come

1:09:54

to switch. That's

1:09:55

the other game that Big reason to bring

1:09:57

steam deck. Anyway, go ahead.

1:09:59

That's a good steam deck game.

1:10:00

But, you know, I hope people will get

1:10:02

to experience it more of, you know, our listeners

1:10:05

here when it comes to switch eventually inevitably.

1:10:08

But I've taken rep's advice and

1:10:10

tried out an indie game on switch,

1:10:13

a little to the left. Thank you for that information.

1:10:15

Totally my jam. A little to the left

1:10:17

is basically your, you know, your

1:10:20

Mary Condell, whatever organization

1:10:22

game where it's like you got a bookshelf with all the books

1:10:24

out of order and you gotta put them in order and then

1:10:26

you finish the level and it goes, uh-uh, there's one

1:10:28

more way to work NICE list, and then you do it again.

1:10:31

And -- Mhmm. -- my my son

1:10:33

also totally got got pulled into

1:10:35

this game and, like, took over the controller. And

1:10:37

and, like, before I knew it, he he just

1:10:39

647 the entire game on his own. But

1:10:42

E3 lovely, creative, clever little

1:10:44

indie game where you kind of you you start

1:10:47

to make connections and it has a very evil

1:10:48

cat, isn't it?

1:10:49

Oh, beautiful. We love the cat. We love the

1:10:51

647 mess with everything else. E3 a little evil.

1:10:53

However,

1:10:54

most of my time is, of course, spent on

1:10:56

a little game called Fire Emblem Engage.

1:10:59

Never heard of it.

1:10:59

Like dinging it. I'm liking it

1:11:02

a lot. I mean -- Yeah. -- all the all the

1:11:04

kind of, like, the negative stuff people

1:11:06

are saying, it is true. They're they're

1:11:08

issues with the writing sometimes. It's a little

1:11:10

cheesy. It's very anime.

1:11:12

Right? Like the the the

1:11:15

evil people look like they shopped at Victoria's

1:11:17

Secret in nineteen ninety nine. What?

1:11:20

You don't understand these criticism. What do people

1:11:22

expect from game with cartoon

1:11:24

people. No. And and all of that is, like, I will

1:11:26

I'm expecting it. Right? Like, that is that

1:11:29

is fire emblem. But all the talk

1:11:31

about it being a return

1:11:33

to classic fire emblem and and shedding

1:11:35

all the over world kind of like the hub world

1:11:38

647. I was expecting there not to be anything

1:11:40

but this lot. There's still a lot

1:11:42

to do outside of the core battles,

1:11:45

whether it's fishing or, you know, having lunches

1:11:47

and observing the, you know, like, this this

1:11:50

sort of conversations between the

1:11:52

different characters, finding stuff.

1:11:54

I like, you're adopting animals. And by

1:11:56

the way, I love how like, when you first start,

1:11:58

it's like, you you get into, like,

1:12:01

these rather boring post

1:12:04

battle areas that you can explore.

1:12:06

There's really not much to to do there. You

1:12:08

you don't even have to talk to all the

1:12:10

characters because you get the you get your crystals

1:12:12

anyway 647 you just exit out. But there

1:12:15

you can adopt animals and you can walk

1:12:17

up to, like, you know, like a cat that's

1:12:19

like, oh, yeah. Now you adopted the cat, and

1:12:21

then you go to, like, the dog. It's like, now you got

1:12:23

the dog. You go to the chickens.

1:12:24

Like, not the chicken, you're not ready

1:12:27

for the chicken buster. Like in the beginning,

1:12:29

you know, you obviously have to be more experienced

1:12:31

to own a chicken over a cat or

1:12:34

Or is

1:12:35

I mean, it's true. Chicken are bastards.

1:12:37

That's right. Mhmm. E3 of them

1:12:39

are. Nobody

1:12:41

I'm love I'm loving the game. I, you

1:12:43

know, I I grew up with 647 emblem

1:12:46

games and, you know, I've played the pretty

1:12:48

much every game makes set for the Satella

1:12:51

View E3 in in the E3. And

1:12:53

it is a return to a little bit more

1:12:55

647 on the turn based battles

1:12:58

it has this sort of, you know, like,

1:13:00

all the things you'd expect where, like, you see

1:13:02

an evil character introducing, like, oh, that

1:13:05

that person's gonna join my team eventually. Right?

1:13:07

Like, it it's sick like, once when you've played

1:13:09

these games, it signals a lot of that 647. And

1:13:11

so it's a little light on

1:13:13

innovation and surprises. And that is one

1:13:16

my one hang up on it. Like,

1:13:18

647 I had to judge it right now 647, like,

1:13:20

fifteen hours or something, I'd say, you know, it's

1:13:22

in eight 647 E3, it's in the eight

1:13:24

range. It's a great game. It's very creative.

1:13:27

Some of the some of the cut E3 are

1:13:29

just gorgeous and, you know, like and

1:13:31

I and I do like the character designs

1:13:34

and all of that and and the different character

1:13:36

archetypes. Anna is annoying. But

1:13:38

other than that, it's no. It's it.

1:13:40

You don't like Anna? It's a wonderful Yes.

1:13:44

Okay. It's a wonderful game. I'm I'm

1:13:46

digging it and, you know,

1:13:48

people ask, like, is this a good fire emblem

1:13:50

game to start with? I would say yes. Yeah.

1:13:53

All of the hub stuff is kind of skippable.

1:13:55

There are deeper systems about creating

1:13:58

rings and fusing them and all of that that

1:14:00

you can engage in than that is -- Okay. --

1:14:02

smart to do. And,

1:14:04

like, you can do fishing and adopting cats and

1:14:06

all of

1:14:07

that. He's still trying

1:14:07

to sell me on this. I still think three

1:14:09

houses is the one to start with. Look,

1:14:11

I look the thing is I looked over at my partner

1:14:14

playing the other day. Yeah. And he would there was

1:14:16

two characters, and they were having a conversation. And

1:14:18

I don't remember exactly what they were saying, but it was something

1:14:20

like, I'm E3,

1:14:23

and I kill my enemies with a big act.

1:14:25

That's right. He does. And

1:14:26

the other one was, like, nice

1:14:28

to meet you, and that was the end of the comment

1:14:30

slash will.

1:14:32

That was basically the gist of what it was,

1:14:34

and I'm like, great. I don't need to worry

1:14:36

about this. Like, once in a while, you have a convo

1:14:38

between characters where, honestly, it should end with

1:14:41

a street fighter voice code. Japan because

1:14:44

it's so it's like you can tell it's

1:14:46

like it feels little awkward even with

1:14:48

the localization team trying to adapt

1:14:50

it. But there are lots of like clever, little

1:14:52

conversation, E3 characters, and,

1:14:54

like, they they do in Fire Emblem

1:14:56

games, always make you really 647 for your characters. I

1:14:58

play it with with Perma 647 And so, like, there's

1:15:02

there's this sort of connection where I get

1:15:04

to this point where once you can once

1:15:06

you have more characters than you can put in the battlefield,

1:15:08

like, I'm kinda heartbroken. Like, I wanna

1:15:11

bring them all and yet I have to

1:15:13

leave some behind. And so it

1:15:15

forces you to develop like, a

1:15:17

more a closer relationship to your 647, and

1:15:19

then so the conversations between the

1:15:21

characters matter more because you're focusing

1:15:23

in on a

1:15:24

group.

1:15:24

I'm busy.

1:15:25

Not

1:15:25

all of those are great. You know,

1:15:28

I'm busy. 647 both of us, but it's

1:15:30

I'm playing Cheyenne Echos. I'm busy. A lot of great games out

1:15:32

there.

1:15:32

It's a lot of new games. It looks gorgeous,

1:15:35

especially in a handheld mode on the on

1:15:37

the small

1:15:38

screen. It's it's very smart how,

1:15:40

you know, how the scenes are constructed and

1:15:42

and and, you know, how they kind of maintain that

1:15:45

high 647 look. It's a it's a lovely

1:15:47

game. At

1:15:47

some point, I'm gonna go through a fire emblem and

1:15:49

do a proper hardcore mode run where

1:15:51

I just

1:15:53

I just don't restart if I lose a character.

1:15:55

Oh, I don't know.

1:15:57

That's it. Got

1:15:57

it. Like, well, look, I cheated. I did the

1:15:59

remind Many years ago, the creator

1:16:01

of 647 Emblem, who's no longer with Intelligent Systems,

1:16:04

had a conversation with E3, the

1:16:06

creator of Final Fantasy. And

1:16:09

he said, don't

1:16:11

worry about Perma death. It's part

1:16:13

of the story. Mhmm. It's a twist in

1:16:15

the story that they

1:16:16

die. Just keep going. I know it's

1:16:18

a it's a it's a clever idea and

1:16:21

it is a it is a way to play

1:16:23

through that game. I just don't wanna do it

1:16:25

on the first run because I'm worried I'm gonna

1:16:27

miss something

1:16:28

cool. Mhmm. You know? Yeah. Yep.

1:16:31

You know, I was I was talking to

1:16:33

friend of the show Logan plant. Last night actually

1:16:36

on his show. And he is playing I

1:16:38

think he said in hard with

1:16:40

permanent -- Yep. -- turned on, and he said he

1:16:42

was in, like, one of the later missions because he was, like,

1:16:44

obsessed with it. And he he was, like,

1:16:46

actually extraordinarily

1:16:48

stressed out that he was going to lose a character,

1:16:50

like, more than he's ever been. No.

1:16:52

Thanks. I've got Permian f turned off

1:16:54

that I'm playing on normal and I will rewind

1:16:57

as much as it takes 647 me

1:16:58

E3 win. Normal

1:16:59

is a little as for the Numble

1:17:02

is a little easy. I started it on

1:17:04

on normal because I was like -- Call me. -- I got a

1:17:06

little frustrated last time with with hard

1:17:08

mode. They were couple of missions that were just ridiculously

1:17:11

E3. And, like, so I started on normal E3 it's

1:17:13

just it's too easy. Like, the the

1:17:16

it's still not as balanced as I would love

1:17:18

for it to be. There's almost no penalty

1:17:20

for, like, exposing your your character to

1:17:22

say, like, even in hard mode, you can make the force

1:17:24

through it. Yeah. Which is kind of what I've been doing.

1:17:27

I've been losing characters --

1:17:28

Yeah. -- hard mode. But I'm like,

1:17:30

oh, well, they'll be back next because I'm playing

1:17:32

on casual, like a casual.

1:17:34

And but then it takes

1:17:36

away a little bit of the the press the

1:17:38

stress and the pressure around actually playing through

1:17:41

the mask because it

1:17:41

E3 feels

1:17:42

like matter of time before I actually get through it.

1:17:44

Thing, I mean, on hard mode, it does become

1:17:46

a little bit more of a game of luring characters.

1:17:48

Right? Like, let's say you have a armored

1:17:50

knight who's strong against like weapons and you have

1:17:52

somebody with high resistance, so strong against magic

1:17:54

attacks, and you use these characters kind

1:17:57

of like as walls to

1:17:59

lure the enemies closer and then you

1:18:01

pick them off with more characters. So, like, hard

1:18:03

mode kind of brings out that sort of

1:18:06

strategy more, but it can become very

1:18:08

rude

1:18:08

too. Yeah. Right? When you constantly use

1:18:10

the same characters to bait the enemy to

1:18:12

get closer. The placement's a little devious

1:18:14

because there's one map

1:18:16

relatively early on where you have to break through

1:18:19

a door. Mhmm. And there is

1:18:21

an E3, they're waiting with

1:18:23

a writer's bane attack,

1:18:25

like a killer weapon that will, like, murder

1:18:28

one of your knights. And -- Yeah. -- they

1:18:30

can reach you if you're not

1:18:31

careful. So you have to be very

1:18:33

precise with your positioning. It

1:18:35

can be It can be quite mean. And

1:18:37

if this is anything like other 647 emblem games,

1:18:39

so start having reinforcements coming

1:18:41

in behind your characters, to

1:18:44

take you off guard and, like, start murdering

1:18:46

E3. It could be a little mean in

1:18:48

that. So we've had a lot of turn based strategy games

1:18:50

obviously come out. And I do think 647 emblem,

1:18:52

you know, this success in the west to influence this.

1:18:54

Right? We got even one based on dark crystal.

1:18:57

Right? We've got tactics over

1:18:59

getting back. We've got you know, E3,

1:19:01

647 Traveler two is about

1:19:03

to come out too. So we're E3 seeing more and more of

1:19:05

these strategy games now become come

1:19:08

out and and find an E3, but I

1:19:10

will say the fire emblem UI

1:19:13

is unbeatable. It is just the best.

1:19:15

Like, They now they have two movement

1:19:17

types. You can freely move your characters, which

1:19:19

is the default, which is really nicely done.

1:19:22

But if you're purist, you can switch to the arrow

1:19:24

mode where you know, it's it's a little bit

1:19:26

more digital and a little bit more

1:19:28

like the classic games. The way

1:19:30

like, you can you can jump super quick to

1:19:32

the characters with the shoulder buttons like always

1:19:34

done. You can select any E3. You

1:19:37

see the range. It gives you probabilities on

1:19:39

the attacks. Like, it's just I mean, like, it's

1:19:41

just so well E3 and tuned at

1:19:43

this

1:19:43

point. It's just a wonderful game. I agree.

1:19:45

It's a very good game. I agree.

1:19:48

And that kind of brings me because

1:19:50

it's a very long game as well -- Mhmm. -- which brings

1:19:52

me to question block. Do we

1:19:54

have a question from Steve

1:19:56

Schneider who asks This is E3 we're

1:19:59

almost out of time, but he wants to know. Recommendations

1:20:01

for games under ten hours, Dad

1:20:03

Life has zapped my free time.

1:20:05

Well, Steve, I have bad

1:20:07

news that free time is never coming

1:20:10

back. Not for

1:20:12

647 many, many years, but I'm curious as

1:20:14

to anyone's recommendations for games

1:20:17

under ten

1:20:18

hours. Actually, E3 said E3.

1:20:20

Recall

1:20:20

is under definitely under ten. Yeah. Okay.

1:20:22

I can't recall exactly how long,

1:20:24

but A little

1:20:24

a little to the left is too. Right?

1:20:25

Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

1:20:27

They were we have you

1:20:29

go to IGN dot com slash

1:20:31

playlist, we I'll I'll slot

1:20:33

it for you. We have a list

1:20:35

on games you E3 in

1:20:37

the

1:20:37

weekend. I'm trying to remember what it's called. A

1:20:40

short hike, another E3. Short hike is

1:20:42

off. That is that is indeed a short hike.

1:20:44

Yeah.

1:20:44

Star 647 sixty four can be finished in one

1:20:46

sitting.

1:20:48

Alright. It's pickling three under ten

1:20:50

hours. I feel like my part partner beat it a couple.

1:20:52

don't begin to go, and he beat it

1:20:54

very

1:20:54

quickly. No. You

1:20:56

can't. Why? Yeah. I

1:20:58

think if you I think if you just E3 line

1:21:00

the objectives, you can probably beat that number

1:21:02

ten. You might wanna play more about that. So

1:21:05

if you yeah. If look, she had given us a

1:21:07

heads up. Hi fi rush, by the way, is

1:21:09

is under ten hours

1:21:10

too. The Empire's survivors on there. Even if it's

1:21:12

around hundred hours.

1:21:14

I was -- You've been a game. -- beat very quickly

1:21:16

because every session is like thirty minutes,

1:21:19

but it is way too

1:21:20

long.

1:21:21

E3 kid is another good one.

1:21:22

Yeah. Very good one. About that.

1:21:24

Emortality? E3 is more than ten.

1:21:27

Brick will not occur according to E3

1:21:29

how long to beat, which says

1:21:31

Interesting. Okay. Well, Dray is

1:21:33

on the rival 647. Shovel Knight

1:21:35

Digg -- There you go. -- Shredder's

1:21:37

revenge card shark, which I really

1:21:39

like. You should play those. Well, I'm unpacking

1:21:41

is a good one on switch. Another good

1:21:43

one.

1:21:44

What is this? It's showing Katana this playlist

1:21:46

is showing Katana zero right now. That's another

1:21:48

one. That's

1:21:48

good. Far changing tides on switches

1:21:51

also lovely. The original

1:21:53

Shovel

1:21:53

Knight is great shout. It's

1:21:54

fantastic. It's got

1:21:56

E3 in a in a week and a half solid on E3

1:21:58

dot com slash playlist for you. You can find it

1:22:00

there easily. Some

1:22:01

of the ones on there are probably approaching ten hours

1:22:03

or around the ten hour mark, so maybe 647 check,

1:22:05

like, how long to be

1:22:06

I'll double check if you're really insistent. But

1:22:08

but, like, in a E3, I mean, it's it's roughly

1:22:10

in

1:22:10

the spirit of what you're Somebody asked me about. Relatively

1:22:13

short RPG's as well. And I was like, well,

1:22:15

Crohn'sugar can be knocked out another twenty hours

1:22:17

if you No. No. No. No. No.

1:22:19

No. No. No. No. No. No.

1:22:21

Also, Five plus seven

1:22:23

is surprisingly short for an RPT.

1:22:25

So true. Moon's E3 thirteen to twenty undertale.

1:22:28

Yeah. Undersale is about ten. Yeah.

1:22:30

If you do if you do if you try to do,

1:22:31

like, fault like that true pacifist, the ending

1:22:34

everyone likes. It's probably about ten. Yep.

1:22:36

There you go. Yeah. Those are great suggestions, and

1:22:38

we are also out of time So

1:22:40

thank you all for listening

1:22:43

to us talk about e three at length,

1:22:45

which I would love to keep talking about how sad I

1:22:47

am because it's gone forever. What? Before we

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1:22:59

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to Red for always being on point with the

1:23:03

ones and

1:23:04

twos. And most of all, thank you to

1:23:07

you for hanging out with us. Because

1:23:09

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1:23:11

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