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What's Up and welcome back to another episode

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of No Senner's podcast with your hosts now

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fuck that with your loaw glasses.

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Malone. Damn,

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mom, you remember what I said? You

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know what? What I asked you was? Do

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you still consider gun or a snitch?

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Why would I not consider him

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a snitch when he told on camera?

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Because he's not taking a stand no more.

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And I don't think they're even using

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none of his testimony. I

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don't think he's really said anything. I'm

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not really familiar with that these circumstances.

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I damn it still for far bit

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you do your research before coming on to this pro

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exactly.

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I didn't get the opportunity to do. You know I

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was because I know you

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was a real big You was one of the first people

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saying early on man he snitching.

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No I said he told when their

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a video came out of him telling.

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I didn't think he would tell.

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You didn't think he would.

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I give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

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I don't think nobody gonna tell till they actually

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tell.

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You.

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Just like being wrong, Well, I'm

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okay.

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With being wrong, but I give people the benefit

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of the doubt. I don't just make somebody

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a fucking snitch. This is the point

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still, Okay,

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So let's say you killed

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somebody. Let's

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say I go to the police and I'll

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be like, man, still killed this person,

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right, and they like whatever,

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they come, they get a videotape

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of you killing somebody.

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Am I still not a snitch?

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Even if they don't have to use my testimony

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and my snitch.

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So why the fuck would you ask me?

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Just because he's not going to allegedly

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his testimony is not gonna be used when

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he told on tape. The

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premise of thugs charges is

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that YSL is a gang.

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That's what a rico charge is, right,

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a racketeering and rough organization.

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And gonna admit it to that.

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So yes,

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he said a lot. He said,

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yes they are a gang. So

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he's telling. That's snitching. It

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don't matter if he get up on the stand and be like, yes,

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we're a gang. It doesn't matter if he

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gets up there like New Jack City and be like it

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was me. No, that's not what telling

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means. Exclusively telling

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means you given information

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on a crime to

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make yourself unburdened for your

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crime, to not have to deal with the

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accountability of your crime. Of

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your charges. He is the prime

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definition of snitching.

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Well, great shaw, guys.

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You know what, man, I

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don't know. Maybe I'm

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I believe that most niggas do fold. Gee.

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That's why if I was doing criminal ship, I wouldn't

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fuck with the whole bunch of people.

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You tell me most of these niggas

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in the industry is gay. You're telling me most

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of these niggas is gonna fold.

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Yet you ain't never seen nobody, none

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of these rap nigga sucker dick. Yet

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you ain't never seen nobody tell.

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How do you come up with all these conclusions.

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I just think the average person is gonna tell she

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And I'm not saying everybody go fold

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under pressure, dog, but I think people

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will.

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The average person is not considered in

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the life. The average person cannot be a snitch.

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Right.

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If the average person saw

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crime, them calling the police

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to report the crime is

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not snitching, it's

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only snitching.

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I'm talking about this. I decided to go move,

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and if I decided to go start

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moving packs to cocaine across

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the country, I wouldn't just fuck with

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anybody on that because the average person

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want to get money. But the average person, when it comes

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type of situation come at hand, they gonna

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start telling, they gonna start running their mouth. Yeah,

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but.

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If I have to do something with Peter, right,

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Let's say somebody jumped on Peter,

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right, and Peter got in trouble. Right, They jumped

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on Peter, and Peter for some reason didn't

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want to put him in prison. And Peter came

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and said, Glasses, man, these motherfuckers jumped

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on me. I want to shoot them.

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If I go with Peter, I'm assuming

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he wouldn't tell on me, because if

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he don't want to actually shoot

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them, he could go to the police and do.

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The right thing.

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So it would be fucked up for Peter

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to come to me to get me knowing

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that we're going to commit a crime, and

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now it's time for him to be accountable. Decide

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I'm going to tell on Glasses if

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you're not with the lifestyle, right.

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That would be so funny

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to bring the thing to the other person and

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have them taggle along with you, and then you tell

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on them. Ship. It's different when you're

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the passenger in the car, that's still pretty shitty.

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But if you're the fucking driver, god

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damn.

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Fuck, Yeah,

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that's fucked up. But I don't know, bro, I just think

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you know. And what do you think I'm

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Do you think I'm wrong?

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Yes, I don't think most people tell

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in delights.

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I disagree, man, I disagree, and

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he makes your organization that has ever been

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taken down has been from someone on the inside.

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I'm not disagreeing. But that's not

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You know how many organizations across America

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is where people don't tell.

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One It's a ton of them.

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Yeah, I think you're just a real

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optimistic person. Man, you're one of the most optimistic

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people I know.

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I'm not optimist.

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I don't. I don't know everybody was.

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I don't see most of the time that you did

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say that, And I.

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Don't see most people in lot of

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how You've never seen anybody being gay?

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Man, I've seen a bunch of people. Well, gee,

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I'm not just making I don't just make sh up

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out of my own mind. Look at somebody and you

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are. It means.

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You have never seen no rapper do no

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gay ship in your entire life, because

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you.

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Would have said, glasses, this dude did this gay

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ship.

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I have told you these niggas did. Refused

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you ain't.

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You ain't never in your life told me you've

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seen a rapper do ship gay.

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Hey, when we get off this thing, I'm gonna tell you who

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all did some gay ship? Who I don't see do

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some you saw seen and

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I've seen what was you doing while you was watching? Nigga?

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Have been a party and ship like that? Dogs different

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situations. I ain't never been nowhere personally

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with them ship like that. I've seen them do some gay

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ship, and I got the fuck out.

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So you was at a party where some rapper

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was sucking a dick?

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I didn't seen. I saw rappers kiss niggas

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and do all kind of weird shit. I ain't never seen nobody sucking.

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You ain't see nobody kiss nobody.

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Yeah, see that's what I mean. I have nigga. I'm

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just not making sure. I ain't just gonna call him a man gay

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if he ain't.

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Yes, you will.

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Because you are, because you are full of

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fucking jokes and you think it's funny.

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Man. Why is it funny for somebody to

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be doing some gay ship. I didn't tell them to do music

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here.

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You call them here, you make up funny names

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like doogler.

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Nigga. No, I got definite homie fortylock.

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That's see you

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think it's funny. You're smiling now.

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It is some funny ass ship. But I'm

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not troubling you. I've seen niggas do some.

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You are definitely trolling me. All of these

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dudes swear to God, they all this gay ship.

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Is happening in the industry. But none of y'all

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been where somebody was sucking a dick.

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But everybody sucking.

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With nobody. I've never been,

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and nobody's into me quarters like this. You

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didn't know what they're.

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Doing, y'all. Stay y'all saying

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this is happening at.

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All the spots. If

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a nigga kissed another nigga in the mouse, he's

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gay.

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You ain't never seen no rapper kiss nobody

8:13

else in the mouth and you was there. Shit,

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bullshit anyway, That's

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not what I want to talk to you about.

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No sillers, g L.

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Peter in the house, got my big

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brother steal from og Gangster

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Rap Chronicles where they cover everything

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gangster rap related. You've

8:33

heard gangst Chronicles. I

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just had a thought, right because OJ just

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passed away. M

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pete, why do I still

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not feel OJ?

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Did it? Now? Listen?

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Could OJ have went over there. Yes,

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could OJ went over there when it was happening? Possibly,

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could OJ been there while it was happening.

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I'd even believe that maybe OJ

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comes over after it happens.

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I'm riding. I

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do not believe OJ did it. Now.

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Maybe it makes me racist because every white

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person in this country feels

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OJ did it.

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But I just don't believe you go.

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From not really being a hard and criminal

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to a double murderer in one night

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and then never murder anybody again.

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I think the percentage of murders

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that happened outside of criminal

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syndicate that has to do with domestic

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spouse shit is like ninety

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plus percent. Like

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it's high. Like you're either killing somebody

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because of a criminal enterprise

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associated action or

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it's your wife.

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Okay, Okay, I've

9:47

thought about that, right, Okay, I've thought about

9:49

that.

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Yeah.

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Right, but even then, right, he stabs,

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so he's a double

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murderer.

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They still well, the other bill was still standing there.

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But even then, but even then,

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they why would he murder her if he's

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used to seeing her be with women, If

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he's used to seeing her be with women, I

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mean, or he used to seeing the call be with

10:12

men, right, because the lady, the other

10:14

lady said he used to look in the window when

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she was kneeling. Dudes,

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what drove him this crazy to

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become a double murderer.

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I don't know.

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I don't think that he tried to go murder

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them both. I think he tried to murder

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one and the other was there, which was which

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I don't know. He might have tried to catch Ron coming

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out on the sneak and she walked out after

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him, and it was like, uh, well, all

10:42

right, that's not how murdered the other

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way.

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That's not how murder works with a knife.

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You know what, man I

10:54

did. I had a conversation with this

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one guy and he

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said that O J was with this Italian

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guy that had ties to the mob when they went

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over there to visit them that day. I'm

11:06

I kind of belonging to I share the same

11:09

thoughts as Ugu. I don't think he could have did that by

11:11

himself. If he did it, I think that would

11:13

be extremely difficult.

11:14

And then he leaves one gloves on the

11:16

scene, another glove at his house.

11:18

It just feels hell of

11:20

goofy.

11:22

I thought that was Plannet though. I thought that was the whole

11:24

Firman thing.

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But that's well, you know what, but that's my point,

11:27

right, that's what lost the case.

11:31

Yeah,

11:33

because you know it was discovered that Mark,

11:36

you know, for Firman had some real

11:38

he lean real races, right, he had a

11:40

bunch of fucked up shit that he was saying about black.

11:42

People, and he was on record

11:44

for saying he set criminals up because he thought

11:46

they were guilty.

11:49

Exactly. So I think,

11:51

man, I don't think he acted alan. I think

11:53

he knew who did it. Man. I think I

11:56

don't ever think we'd ever fully know the

11:58

truth of what really went down that day. But I

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don't think if he did do it, he didn't do it alone. He

12:02

didn't act alone. And I think it has

12:05

something to do with her. I think it has

12:07

something to do with the coal, buying

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drugs or some shit like that.

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Okay, give me your theory.

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She wasn't no drug dealer, Get no.

12:16

She did a lot of cold though she could have owed somebody

12:18

some money.

12:19

You're the day Lottat Okay, Okay,

12:21

Peter, if OJ's.

12:23

Plenty of money over there, she didn't money

12:26

Some of.

12:26

Those people quarter chickens,

12:29

some of them people buying quarter chickens for their.

12:31

Personal use and not pigeonship

12:33

money. Huh A non

12:35

pigeonship money. That's like five ten

12:37

grand.

12:39

Peter, motherfucker would kill you over a thousand dollars

12:41

you talking. See that's the real white hole.

12:43

Yeah, got money money,

12:46

he's got money. She's getting

12:48

alimony money. She'd

12:51

have to go through a quarter a day.

12:55

Well, my man believes that he

12:58

believes that OJ had had a hand in it,

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but he didn't act a long that's

13:03

probably fair.

13:04

I don't think o J had a hand in it. That's

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my problem. Like like, now,

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could he have paid.

13:12

Possibly couldn't get his hand in it?

13:15

Yeah, I don't even talk about that because it's somebody with little hands

13:17

that did the stab it. What is okay,

13:19

Peter? Is it ridiculous? What is

13:21

a possibility that could have

13:24

happened? What could have happened?

13:27

How do you mean if.

13:28

OJ did not do it?

13:30

Like like I like like the Kardashian

13:32

guy, Like who the fuck did

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it?

13:36

And why?

13:36

That's like one of those That's the other thing to

13:38

me. It's like

13:43

like the idea that oh Ron or

13:46

she or whatever they were running around some coke mess

13:48

or whatever the fuck, like that to me

13:50

doesn't wash because, like

13:53

I said, she has access to money. It's

13:56

just stupid and she's old, you

13:59

know what I mean. Like it's

14:02

ridiculous. Unless Ron

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was some like quietly

14:08

super covert hustler and happened to

14:12

get tracked down for his moment of

14:15

penance over drug debt at her

14:17

house, maybe I

14:19

don't. But I

14:24

mean he's starting to go any like further

14:29

into speculations. You're just getting

14:31

further and further into the abstract. I

14:33

mean, like I don't think that there was a lot of other

14:35

options there for it. Like if

14:38

not him, then who else would have

14:42

such a significant you

14:44

know, And I don't think his family was broke either,

14:48

you know, Like we're not talking large

14:50

sums of money. Like I'll

14:53

put this way, in that world, if you're in

14:55

that kind of trouble, you're that FAM's coming up

14:57

with one hundred thousand.

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Power. Okay, But why does O J kill

15:04

her?

15:05

Because she was he didn't catch

15:07

her and act with with Ron, So

15:09

why would he kill her if this

15:11

is their normal routine.

15:14

I don't know all the intricacies

15:17

of an ugly divorce that went on there. When

15:19

this was going on, I was like ten or eleven.

15:22

Bro Nicole wasn't just fucking.

15:26

She just wasn't messing with the dude. Actually,

15:28

I heard she wasn't even messing with the guy that she got

15:31

murdered with, the Ron Goldman. You

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know that I'm telling you what I heard from somebody

15:37

else. This is not like I wouldn't obviously

15:39

wasn't there. But from

15:41

what I understand, Marcus Allen tapped that

15:44

ass.

15:45

Yeah, she was fucking. She was like a little They

15:47

talked, the host talked about.

15:49

It,

15:52

and I believe Peter that it

15:55

wasn't so much the people that didn't that o

15:57

J didn't know, But when she got to messing

15:59

with he knew, and Marcus Allen was like

16:01

his little brother or whatever like that.

16:04

That kind of fucked his head. It could have been a crime

16:06

of passion. He could have won over there one day and just

16:08

loped up.

16:08

Yeah, but I think that it probably was.

16:11

You got to understanding that kind of a situation. You

16:13

have three things brewing. You have New

16:16

Dick brewing, you have money

16:19

brewing, and you have child

16:21

custody brewing. You

16:23

know, any of those three things could have spiked

16:25

at a given moment or two or three at a time.

16:28

You've got post divorcee. Shit,

16:30

she's taking my money. She's suing

16:32

again for more fucking money over

16:35

my dead body's stealing all my money. I only

16:37

get to see my kids twice a fucking month, both

16:39

fucking shit, I pay for all this kind of crap. You're

16:41

fucking this guy. I ain't seen my son three fucking

16:43

weeks. I owe you seventy five thousand dollars

16:45

a fucking month. Fuck this shit. I'm putting an eye

16:47

and you could talk yourself into going fucking nuts.

16:50

One thing I'll say that nobody knows her

16:54

younger sister was sitting right

16:56

next to my dad in her office when that call

16:58

came in that it

17:01

was the emergency call, you know,

17:03

the next of ken or whatever call. It

17:06

wasn't oh my god, something

17:09

happened to my sister. It was, ah,

17:14

oh j killed my sister.

17:17

Yeah, but even then, it's like.

17:19

Like the family knew that there was that much tension.

17:23

Before.

17:24

But even that, I mean, he

17:26

is a black man and it is white people, Pete.

17:29

I know that don't seem like much, but it

17:30

matter. He went to just be a double

17:33

murder, Pete and passion over something

17:35

he's seen a thousand times, like

17:37

this wasn't a divorce that happened two days ago.

17:40

Like he just flipped out and murdered two

17:42

people while one person said right there and the other

17:45

person was right there, and then he.

17:46

Trailed the blood back to it out. It just

17:49

feels a bit disingenuous, man, something

17:51

about it.

17:52

Don't Like I get the concept of crime

17:54

or passion, and I get the concept that, well,

17:57

who else, But that's not a

17:59

reason to convey somebody like

18:01

this is somebody who don't have a violent history

18:04

now again, because it is the passion

18:06

of love that's possible. But

18:09

he didn't get a scratch on him or the

18:12

scratch he got on him with a

18:14

small bruise.

18:15

On his finger, and he leaked blood

18:17

well in gloves that he went

18:19

on.

18:21

I found the guy's name is Chris

18:23

Todd that I talked to. Now,

18:25

Chris Todd has done extensive

18:27

investigations. He's talked to a number of

18:29

different people and went out and did a bunch of research.

18:32

And he said it had something to do with the cocaine's

18:34

red trade. Like okay, like they

18:37

was involved in some kind of cocaine trade or

18:39

something like that.

18:39

Okay, Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold

18:41

on stiff.

18:42

Okay, Pete, what if OJ is

18:44

putting his money in dope and

18:47

they killed his family as

18:50

revenge.

18:52

This man has had his life gone through

18:54

and a with a fucking louse come for

18:58

how the fuck long? There'd

19:00

have been a charge, there'd

19:02

have been an investigation of

19:05

consequence to the point where it would have became

19:07

public record.

19:08

Are we really saying that the law enforcement

19:10

is that smart all.

19:12

The time.

19:15

When they dedicate that kind of resource

19:17

to one singular thing. Yeah, understand, this guy was like

19:20

public enemy fucking number one. We got off

19:22

of that shit.

19:22

Yeah, but you and but if you're

19:24

thinking about it, right, they

19:26

arrested him in two days, so

19:28

it wasn't like they looked for anybody else.

19:32

Yeah, but they arrested him, and

19:34

then after that you're

19:36

going through all of his shit like all hell,

19:39

they're going to be going through all of this shit afterwards. There's

19:41

discovery on both ends because now you're tried

19:43

and it's going to trail, So you have bilateral discovery

19:45

of everything fast of his life. Then he goes to civil

19:47

court, there's bilateral discovery of every

19:49

single facet of his life. He goes to prison

19:52

in fucking Vegas for however the fuck along with all

19:54

this other shit, I guarantee

19:56

you if there was a reason for some officer

19:59

in any department of any kind

20:01

to be able to be like he

20:03

got off, well I'm the one who fucking got

20:05

his ass after he made us all look like

20:08

jackasses. Believe some

20:10

guy would love to be that hero, they would

20:12

die to be that fucking hero.

20:14

Well that's plausible. But in

20:16

Christi's theory, he went

20:18

to get like he even looked at Ron Goldman's autopsy.

20:22

Ron Goldman's autopsy revealed that

20:24

he fought to the end. He just didn't

20:26

go out like he didn't go out just getting stabbed.

20:28

He was fighting and whoever, Yeah

20:32

that's not And I don't know

20:34

how they know all this shit, man, but they said

20:36

whoever he was fighting off he kicked them multiple

20:39

times. O j just

20:41

walked away with a scratch, just

20:43

like really nothing, no injuries. He would have been in the

20:45

fight, bro.

20:50

I mean it depends. I mean he would Jesse

20:53

kicked the person multiple times where he kicked

20:55

a thing multiple times. You could be grabbed

20:57

and stabbing a guy and

20:59

he's kicked and kicks a doorway three four

21:01

times.

21:04

But he's also not a murderer, so

21:06

he's not a prolific murderer where he knows

21:08

how to murder somebody without fighting

21:10

to stab him.

21:11

That's not a stabbing somebody. Bro

21:13

is some ship. It ain't like shooting a gun

21:16

like stabbing somebody. And to better stab somebody

21:18

without physically being in a fight where

21:21

you don't have any bruises, you don't have nothing.

21:23

You know what I'm saying.

21:24

That's that's really hard to murder

21:26

two people with a knife and

21:28

you're not a professional and they

21:31

know you're here, it would be

21:33

different. It's not simple. It's

21:35

a it's a daunting task to say the least,

21:38

especially for somebody that's not a professional.

21:42

And think about this, usually when somebody

21:44

do a murder, even

21:46

if it's even if let's say it wouldn't

21:49

fremdittor right O had

21:51

on custom made Italian leather shoes

21:53

that day. Dog he was dressed like he was going

21:56

somewhere.

21:58

Or came from somewhere.

22:00

That's there that night.

22:02

You know, I don't know, like I

22:04

don't know. It's just a lot of stuff that's really strange

22:06

with that dog. Whatever it was, he wasn't alone.

22:09

If he did do it, he wasn't by hisself. Bro.

22:14

But if he did it. But if

22:16

he did it still then I

22:18

understand.

22:19

But my issue is something

22:21

about it genuinely feels like he didn't

22:23

do it. Like Now that's not to say

22:26

he don't have any implications

22:28

on the crime, but

22:31

I'm saying, did he do it? Like

22:33

I don't think he's this prolific double murderer.

22:36

Like it's different, Pete, when

22:38

you find somebody in bed and you stab them

22:40

both in bed, it's different

22:42

when two people see your ass.

22:45

That's not a like you know what I mean.

22:47

That's not like when you catch somebody in bed,

22:49

you just stab hi motherfuckers in the bed. Y'all,

22:52

okay, cool, You catch the motherfucker sitting

22:54

on the couch, you just stab.

22:54

Motherfuckers on the couch. That's

22:57

way, It's okay.

23:00

Passion to actually go

23:02

murder two people with a knife in

23:04

the crime of passion is

23:06

a daunting task, especially not to

23:08

get hurt on like on the on

23:10

the process, like you like, it still

23:12

won't take some effort, Like and I

23:14

don't know if he's this prolific murderer, especially

23:17

because they was saying that the other

23:19

dude wasn't a little dude called me it wasn't

23:21

a little dude cause and like you

23:23

know, you just grab him and stab him, and the call right

23:26

there like don't stab him and you stab her.

23:28

It's a lot.

23:30

I'm saying. It's a bit hard. See I'm

23:32

a big dude, but I would imagine if I

23:34

walked up on you and your girl dog and

23:37

I'm trying to stab y'all, I'm gonna

23:39

have to focus on one of y'all at a time.

23:41

You had to chase, You had to chase one of us,

23:43

niggas something one of us you want to chase.

23:46

And I'm gonna tell you this, if it's me and Maria,

23:48

more than like that dude would be so engaged to

23:50

meet Maria, gonna be up the block calling nine

23:52

one one to do whatever she does.

23:54

They gonna find her body two

23:56

blocks down the street.

23:58

It's gonna be and she might get away. You got remember

24:01

they run their house and it's like it's

24:03

not like they were in this secluded area

24:05

bro to where they was out somewhere with nobody

24:07

around for miles. Somebody

24:09

run outside of screen. When he stabbed me, he stabbed

24:11

me. That's gonna garner some attention.

24:15

I don't know, it just felt weird, like

24:17

and I'm not giving him the break. Like, don't get me

24:20

wrong, at that time, I understand the mind

24:22

state of black people in this country,

24:24

especially.

24:24

Following all this history.

24:27

Obviously, the.

24:31

Rodney King beating is a couple of days

24:33

from from that, you know what I mean, A couple of years away from

24:35

that, you know what I mean, I totally

24:37

get it, But I don't think that that

24:40

was the work of a murderer.

24:42

You know what I'm saying, that's that's not the consistent

24:45

of like crime of passion, you

24:48

know, I mean, like that actually would take some skill

24:50

set to murder a motherfucker like that and not

24:52

to have nothing but a scratch

24:54

on a finger.

24:58

Yeah, all

25:00

they had was a little scratch, man, And I

25:02

know it just shows you really were America

25:05

was that we're race though, man, because I think that

25:07

demonstrates it more than any of the time. Because

25:09

you know this this ushered in

25:12

the era of court TV. Count It

25:14

was the most watched thing on TV at the time.

25:16

Though, has anything ever popped top top

25:18

that? I don't think nothing's even top that.

25:21

No ain't nothing ever topped that man. It was just you

25:23

know, from the chase, it was like a movie dog In

25:25

the beginning, he ride with his homeboy

25:27

in the Bronco Man, they cuvered met.

25:30

Everybody was watching that dog all

25:32

around the world.

25:33

They they interrupted the

25:35

NBA Finals.

25:37

They did.

25:38

I was pissed and I wasn't allowed

25:40

to watch it. So I was trying to just smoove

25:43

around the house to different rooms that had a TV

25:46

because I wanted to get the finals on and I didn't

25:48

give it. After a few first few minutes watching that

25:50

that chase, I was like, I want to see the dream.

25:53

So my

25:56

parents didn't want didn't know what's going to happen.

25:58

They didn't want me.

25:58

To see like live this dude like hop

26:01

out a car with those brains out or whatever the hell some ship,

26:03

So they kept chasing me out

26:06

of different rooms.

26:08

That's crazy.

26:09

Yeah, let me ask you this, Peter, You coming from a

26:11

white household, did your fingers

26:13

ultimately think? Oh did it?

26:15

Fuck? Yeah?

26:17

Yeah, it's different though. My mom my dad's

26:19

known that family since he was six years old,

26:22

Like they went to elementary school, middle school and high

26:24

school together, like which that goal was my

26:27

my dad's family. My my wow aunt

26:29

Renee is Nicole's like best friend from high

26:32

school. They were they were prom groups

26:34

together, they were the same prom ship and all

26:36

that. No, for long year, my dad worked

26:38

with the younger sister. He went to school

26:40

for ten years with the older sister. My aunt knew

26:43

Nicole. They there is

26:45

it is not quite necessarily the same objectively,

26:48

you know what I mean? And I think the reaction that

26:50

the younger sister had in real

26:53

time was almost uh

26:55

such that it was like a like

27:01

the actualization of somebody

27:03

that had been potentially anticipated

27:06

for quite some time.

27:08

Okay, yeah, it's a number of things that

27:10

could have happened. Man, It's like I

27:12

can honestly say, I don't know. I

27:15

think you know, this Christad guy, he has

27:18

a thing because the thing is bro oj

27:22

could have been involved in some shady shit, right.

27:27

Maybe like at that point in his life. To me, at

27:29

that point in his life, that seems the most ridiculous

27:32

that the guy who's got money getting

27:34

paid, got fame on TV doing movies'

27:37

his NBC sports, he's naked gun, he's

27:39

the NFL Hall of Famer. He could do whatever the fuck

27:41

he wants to and he's peddling fucking

27:43

drugs around town. That to me seems

27:46

more far fetched than anything else.

27:49

Yeah, you just don't know, though, Dog, It's like

27:51

it wasn't.

27:51

Like he was twenty five years old running a monkey?

27:53

Was theren there forty five fifty years

27:55

old?

27:56

Well, if I recall, one of the things that was

27:58

funny is that they said Ron Gold guy

28:01

had a bunch of different people's credit cards in

28:03

his own wallet.

28:05

Maybe might have.

28:08

So he was actually out there scheming on people's

28:11

cards and shit, man, you don't know what could happen. Man,

28:13

it could have been just some they just they did.

28:16

I don't know. I don't know about that.

28:19

They just ain't here. They dead. Dog, something

28:21

happened, and.

28:22

You know what, you got enough credit.

28:25

I think there are very few real serial

28:28

killers in this world. Dog, and people that just

28:30

go out and malicially hunt people down.

28:32

Bro.

28:33

Usually when you see people die fucked up

28:35

ways like you hear a family

28:37

is getting slaughter, than shit like that, somebody

28:39

in that house did something wrong with somebody. Dog.

28:44

Now, a lot of people

28:46

make catch the you know, a lot of innocent

28:49

people make catch the brun of that attack dog.

28:51

But usually when it's personal like that when you start

28:53

seeing people's kids getting whacked out, parents

28:56

getting whacked out. Dog, it's some personal shit. And

28:58

you did something that somebody. Dog, You

29:00

took an extremely large sum of money from

29:02

somebody, and you disrespected somebody to the

29:04

max. But

29:08

I don't think nobody exactly innocent

29:10

in them type of things. Man, Something happens.

29:15

I mean, I guess, I guess it just

29:17

comes down to was it a crime

29:20

of passion?

29:21

Right?

29:22

Are we saying O?

29:23

J got so upset that

29:25

OJ got so upset that she was with another

29:28

guy and maybe

29:30

they got into an argument, the big blowout argument?

29:32

Why the guy was there?

29:33

Right?

29:34

But then he didn't jump, he didn't

29:36

do nothing like

29:38

OJ was able to go get a And

29:40

where is the murder weapon? Where's

29:47

the murder?

29:47

You found the gloves they kept,

29:49

the blood, you found all this? Where's

29:52

the murder? You didn't identify any knives

29:54

as the murder weapon?

29:58

Hm? I don't know.

29:59

You know, I'll will kill somebody. That would be

30:01

like the first thing that I would be like, is where

30:03

I'm gonna dump this weapon?

30:04

Yeah?

30:05

But that's like I think, But I'm a mentory.

30:06

But then I'm gonna keep the gloves.

30:10

Secondary. The first thing that cross

30:13

my mind is gotta hear of his weapon. If

30:16

I did nothing else, that'd be the only thing I would do.

30:18

Well.

30:18

The gloves and the murder weapon would probably

30:21

go together. Yeah,

30:23

where is the fucking murder weapon?

30:29

There was some kind of rumor about

30:31

that somewhere to somebody found a

30:33

discarded deal somewhere in the path

30:36

between the house and the his

30:39

house, in their house or something like that, but it wasn't

30:41

able to be validated or something over hearing about

30:43

that, I don't know. I mean,

30:45

like, you

30:48

gotta drive a few miles, I'll just stop and throw

30:50

the shit into a sewer.

30:51

Yeah, but you.

30:51

Followed, but you've got But you follow

30:53

blood to his house? Did

30:56

you didn't find a murder weapon?

30:58

You ain't even follow blood to his house. That's ridiculous.

31:00

That's what they said. That's what they said. I

31:02

swear it out. They followed.

31:04

They followed.

31:06

I swear to God, the blood have.

31:07

To be hamorrhagy. He'd be dead. You'd have to be hemorrhage.

31:10

They followed. They followed blood to the car, and

31:12

then from the car to the house, but not from the

31:14

place to the house. It wasn't bleeding car.

31:17

Just no, listen it

31:19

really they said it was a trail of blood from

31:22

Nicole's house to Old Jay's house.

31:24

I'm not tripping.

31:25

No, that's either

31:28

your tripping or whoever wrote that fucked it up that

31:30

think that that is impossible. Still, you

31:33

couldn't cut your arm off? Still out the window?

31:35

Still didn't they say this? Still do you remember

31:38

them? You remember I just watched it.

31:40

I just watched it.

31:42

Let me stick it out the window.

31:44

No, that's what I'm meaning it was.

31:46

That's what now you Now

31:48

you're getting my point where it's like, it's

31:51

this obvious.

31:52

It's a blood trail from that house

31:54

to this house. Is blood on a bronco

31:56

a spec of blood.

31:57

Blood's the one thing they know was manipulated.

32:00

It was the manipulated thing.

32:01

Well, they could never they could never, they

32:03

could never verify. But what happened was

32:06

they called Mark Ferman in other situations,

32:09

right, and then he had played the

32:11

fifth when they asked him, did he fuck

32:13

with the crime scene?

32:15

But no. Part of the evidence was

32:18

they followed blood from

32:20

her house to his house.

32:24

To me because of the nature

32:27

of the compromised evidence

32:29

being blood, that's the one thing

32:31

I wouldn't take seriously. And just the simple fact

32:33

you can't bleed like that, that's ridiculous.

32:37

So I don't even think that the two

32:39

things are even hardly decently

32:41

related. We

32:44

know that blood was compromised by the investigative

32:46

team, we don't and we know you can't bleed

32:49

out of a car like that. That's ridiculous.

32:51

I don't know if they said it was a car as much

32:53

as which is weird, because

32:55

he would add to been in what in the car?

32:58

Yeah, it

33:00

from Brentwood all the way over there, that's

33:02

what they said, not me, And

33:05

then I did see that new car. I

33:09

don't know what.

33:10

You gotta watch this ship, dog, you gotta

33:12

watch the people versus O. J.

33:14

Simpson.

33:14

It's really a really good job of telling

33:17

the story of everybody around the trial. But

33:19

they talked about it, Pete, that the blood went

33:21

from her house to his house, and it was on

33:24

the bronco, inside the bronco,

33:26

the glove was behind the house.

33:28

Blah blah blah.

33:34

Yeah, man, I'm gonna tell you, it's

33:37

a lot to this ship. Though. It's

33:40

a whole lot of layers to that case.

33:41

Man, Pete, think I'm

33:43

playing this ship. This is what they said.

33:48

Yeah, you know what though, man, and

33:50

you don't.

33:51

Know how close do they live. That's a lot of

33:53

blood.

33:54

Yeah,

33:57

you gotta think about this too when you got

33:59

to do like Mark firm and involved, though you

34:01

don't know what could have really happened.

34:03

He might have killed like I've bled

34:05

a lot, Like I had to get sitches where there was blood

34:07

bleeding through all kinds of shit and stuff from stupid

34:09

ass accidency. I couldn't walk it

34:13

all the way there. Maybe

34:16

once, maybe one time, I cut my ankle

34:19

open and blood all over the place. If I walked

34:21

to the hospital, he'd be like, ahead, it drops,

34:23

But that was a huge cut. I

34:29

just want to see what the address is it? This stupid

34:31

lady's house, m.

34:41

Telling you it's shit crazy.

34:44

So I just was thinking, you

34:46

don't have a murder weapon. So OJ

34:48

is this prolific killer that murders two

34:50

people because he's mad that his ex

34:53

wife, who's a whore. And forgive

34:55

me for using the word whore, because I don't mean it in a derogatory

34:58

term. A very permission you was a

35:00

woman was doing something that

35:02

she always did, yet this time

35:04

specifically drove him to commit

35:07

a double homicide, right,

35:09

Okay, not impossible, possible,

35:12

right, that could dry that. But then

35:14

he didn't get hurt with two separate people

35:16

not in the same location, right

35:18

as far as in the house, Like they weren't both in

35:20

the bed, they weren't both on the couch. They

35:23

want both sleep, so you could get to one. The

35:25

other one was right there and you

35:28

know so far of its song. And you did this,

35:30

and you went back home. You were able

35:33

to successfully get rid of the murder weapon,

35:35

yet you leaked blood all away from

35:37

no injury outside of a cut

35:40

on your hand. Yet that cut

35:42

is not in the gloves. But then

35:44

you took the murder weapon, and you skillfully

35:47

disregarded the murder weapon. But you took the

35:49

glove and dropped it in the back of your

35:51

house, and you left the other glove at

35:53

the crime scene.

35:55

This shit feel funny, funny.

36:05

I don't personally think that the crime

36:07

happened with the two

36:09

of them in the same place at

36:11

the same time. I think that one

36:14

person was in the place, and

36:16

then the other person, after the first one was

36:18

done, came out and stumbled

36:20

upon the scene, and then they got there.

36:22

So now OJ is a surprise murderer

36:26

that killed one and then waited

36:28

for the other one out patiently.

36:30

I don't think waited. I think it was like just

36:32

wrapped up. You here's someone What the fuck's going on out here?

36:34

Oh my god.

36:37

Like if it's say he's walking up to the house and

36:39

Goldman's there and they get into

36:41

a semi prolonged

36:44

struggle and it's done in thirty

36:46

seconds, whatever the hell it is, that's

36:49

probably about as long as it takes for her to hear a noise

36:51

and what the fuck is that and walk outside and

36:54

he just laid Golda down. Ah

36:56

shit.

36:58

But she just stood right there.

37:01

She probably walked out, walked into it. I

37:04

don't think it happened. I don't

37:06

know the time and space of where it was. But I mean

37:08

it's just a town home, so you're basically dealing

37:11

with it.

37:11

Yeah, But also you walk out right

37:14

there, but it's.

37:14

A front glass window where you could see,

37:18

like, so he would have had to so would have happened.

37:20

What would have had either one of two

37:22

things.

37:23

One he killed Goldman right, if Goldman

37:26

is the first who died, killed Goldman outside

37:29

right, which he would have to get a knife

37:31

from somewhere, or he'd had to go over there

37:33

to kill them, right,

37:36

So he gets a knife, he stabs Goldman.

37:38

She either saw it coming.

37:40

Out or she

37:42

stumbled upon him doing it, and then

37:44

when he turned to her, she did not

37:46

do anything.

37:47

She just stayed right there and just and got

37:49

killed.

37:51

I just I don't. I'm looking at this situation

37:53

like you're not gonna see this unless

37:56

you're right there, like this blood

37:58

area, you know that quarter or the walkway where the metal

38:00

of the gate doors, it's

38:03

it's it's there's

38:05

a there's a brick wall and

38:07

then there's this gate and then there's

38:09

like a tremendous amount of foliage.

38:14

Uh, you'd have to walk dead

38:17

into the situation, no

38:19

pun intended.

38:20

Apparently as well, we

38:23

need to get that dude on the podcast. Still,

38:25

could we get him back?

38:27

Yeah, because

38:29

I need to get some more theories

38:32

about what happened.

38:35

I'm I'm like, I'm worried.

38:38

This just doesn't This would have

38:40

to be the greatest coincidence. Where

38:42

is the murder weapon?

38:43

Did he go over there with the knife and

38:45

then he got rid of the knife, but he kept the gloves

38:48

and then he left one glove here and the

38:50

other glove there. Just and

38:53

and if the police did do you

38:55

know the job of fucking it up, then they

38:57

fucked it up because it

39:00

it took a lot of sense away. Because

39:02

I agree with you, Pete since

39:04

says, you know what I mean, a

39:06

crime of passion.

39:08

You know, even though he's used to this.

39:09

Girl being a little promiscuous, this woman being

39:11

a big promiscuous.

39:13

I think it's also at this point in time, me

39:16

personally, I don't think it's

39:18

the promiscuity that did it. I

39:20

think in all likelihood, when you get a little further

39:22

away out from the divorce, it's about

39:25

money. It's about kids.

39:27

Yeah, but you're gonna murder them to get your kids.

39:29

But I'm saying, but oj murder it.

39:31

Might be so pissed. I don't think

39:33

it's like I'm a killer so then I can have my kids,

39:36

or I'm gonna killer so then I don't have to pay her

39:38

any more money. It's probably like some

39:41

goings on in that part

39:43

of it more so, And it just fucky.

39:45

You can talk yourself into a lot of shit.

39:51

Then where'd you get And

39:53

then where do you get the knife? And

39:56

then where do you get the knife?

39:58

Ain't no knife where any

40:00

old knife.

40:01

Ain't no knife just sitting outside? Jollywhere

40:05

ain't no knife just sitting the.

40:06

Knife for the sporting good store for cash?

40:08

Think about it, if they if you would have bought a knife, the would

40:10

said OJ bought a knife. Why

40:14

would they say that a

40:17

knight?

40:17

Okay, so maybe he had one, Maybe

40:20

he had a knife. I have it. I have a knife. I

40:22

got a knife that's been around for ten.

40:24

But the knife that did that would have had to have been different.

40:26

It's not like a pocket knife. That was a knife

40:28

like a like a like a butcher's knife. It was

40:30

a big knife.

40:34

Yeah, but you could buy that at Big

40:36

five for cash, like a hunter knife

40:38

that you cut open a deer with or

40:40

some shit like that.

40:41

Yeah, but OJ walking around with a hunter's

40:43

knife on his side, you

40:46

know the kind of knife you keeping a cake.

40:47

Walking around with it on the sidele damn day long?

40:51

So so so genuinely Okay,

40:53

So what do you feel happen? You feel he went there

40:56

to kill her, so

40:58

he had the knife there?

41:00

Yeah, I don't think he found it on the way. I don't think he just

41:02

went there without a plan. Was like, this is ridiculous.

41:05

Look at that gold instead of this

41:08

knife here, see that, and then just went all out.

41:10

But that wouldn't be a crime of passion.

41:14

I know, no, yeah, yeah,

41:16

how because

41:20

well that that's the definition of crime of passion.

41:23

It's just an emotionally driven

41:26

act of violent.

41:27

But its instant, it's triggering.

41:30

That would be highly reactive. A lot of not

41:32

all chrime of passions are are hyper

41:35

reactive.

41:38

That would be premeditated murder.

41:39

If he went over there with a knife

41:42

to kill her.

41:44

It's like.

41:47

If a dude go take time, Like I'm

41:49

just thinking like this, Peter, If you go good a knife

41:51

and you go go kill somebody, you gonna

41:53

put some tennis shoes and some jeans on the T

41:56

shirt.

41:56

At least I don't know. I don't know

41:58

what You're gonna murder them fucking in.

42:03

Just go kill a motherfucker. You go ask some ship to wear

42:05

office so you can run and you can fight it again, and

42:08

you know you can want the most confident when you're out there swinging

42:10

that blade.

42:11

Well, he doesn't have experience.

42:12

I would imagine he's this is not his second kill,

42:15

This is first and only gets part of the passion

42:17

of the moment.

42:18

He just said, Nope, the moment

42:20

is now.

42:21

Yeah.

42:22

But but Pete like he was somewhere, was like,

42:24

you know what, I'm about to kill

42:26

this bitch and was like, let me

42:28

go buy a knife. And he comes with

42:30

a knife, and he shows up and

42:32

she just happened to have somebody else there

42:35

that just don't feel like.

42:37

You think took the time

42:39

to go buy against you and all that.

42:41

Hell, that's

42:43

what I'm saying. Where with the murder, where is the missing

42:45

set? They would have shown a stack.

42:50

That's not true.

42:52

In this case.

42:53

They wanted to buy in a set. I'm

42:55

saying, if you're buying.

42:56

A set, I'm set.

42:57

So I'm saying, so if he buys it in a set,

42:59

okay, even then somebody,

43:01

but even then they would have just like when

43:04

did he.

43:04

Decide to knife sit

43:06

and say, oh a knife is missing?

43:08

Hell, yeah, they peak tell him they

43:10

would do that.

43:11

If they would do that,

43:14

that's that's if it's in a set. Okay, I bought

43:16

one off kitchen knives before they were shitty

43:18

and they're gone now.

43:19

But like, so he's he buys a hunting

43:21

knife with the intensity of killer or he

43:24

just has a hunting knife.

43:26

I personally, I

43:28

think it was a boiling up type of thing.

43:31

And there was probably like four

43:34

or five instances before where he wanted

43:36

to do it and didn't and got a little

43:38

closer to do it. I'm gonna buy this ship, fuck

43:41

it, talk himself out of it, talk himself back into

43:43

it, boils up again, talks himself

43:45

out of it, and then one day it just happened.

43:48

But that type of ship peak don't happen. I don't

43:50

know. Deuble homicide with a knife, that's.

43:53

That that like he has just don't happen

43:55

very often. I don't know how much.

43:57

Yeah, yeah, yeah, well you like that, like

43:59

that's like rich or a mirror ass like and niggas

44:01

is sleeping the house. Like

44:05

it's hard to kill two motherfuckers with a knife.

44:07

That's woke. You ever notice

44:09

that's like a daunting task. Usually

44:12

the second motherfucker gets stabbed, but they don't

44:14

die because they usually probably getting

44:16

out of dog.

44:17

They saw you stabbed the first motherfucker.

44:20

A long test, like, it ain't like you've been out there

44:22

killing motherfuckers with knives though, I'm just saying.

44:24

Have you ever okay, you just okay?

44:27

On a podcast ago you said you shot somebody.

44:29

You ever stabbed the motherfucker.

44:31

No, I ain't never stabbed.

44:33

You ever seen a motherfucker get stabbed?

44:36

Yeah?

44:36

Are you gonna stab right there when that motherfucker

44:38

gets stabbed?

44:40

Oh no, the person getting stabbed is trying

44:42

to run too. You know, I don't know I'm talking

44:44

about.

44:45

You saw me getting stabbed, and

44:48

it's a motherfucker that's a stabber. You

44:50

mean you're gonna sit right there be looking like then nigg just stabbed

44:53

glasses.

44:54

Get this nigga with some shit, I'm gonna do so.

44:56

No, if that motherfucker turn around with that knife, your

44:58

ass is gonna run.

45:01

That's the first immediate reaction.

45:03

I would like to think if y'all saw me getting stabbed

45:06

with something of y'all looking for the strap for y'all

45:08

getting the better.

45:09

This strapped out? The strap over there,

45:11

not the strap right here? You got

45:14

a knife stab in your ass. I'm not walking up on

45:16

this motherfucker. Got a knife, Yeah,

45:19

that's true. Motherfucker gonna have to stab me in the

45:21

back. Hold up, I need to go get a gun. This

45:23

nigga gotta I need to one up this motherfucker.

45:26

I'm not finna go. Only girls

45:28

do emotional ship like that. Somebody

45:30

got a knife, they come out with a knife. That's

45:33

dumb as a motherfucker.

45:34

You got a knife, I got a gun. You got a gun.

45:36

I got a Ouzie, I'm topping

45:39

you.

45:39

I'm not.

45:39

We're not.

45:40

It's just the fucking third century. We both

45:42

got swords. We're gonna a knife fight.

45:44

Like we're gonna tire our arms together like bad

45:47

or whatever.

45:47

Like.

45:48

Yeah, I

45:54

think she walked into it. I think she's

45:56

all

45:59

says for how I know the

46:01

way white women handle stress?

46:02

For sure.

46:03

In every movie, I think

46:05

she walked

46:07

and walked.

46:08

Why would you stab?

46:09

What's going on?

46:11

Oh my god?

46:12

Why would you do that? What's

46:17

that noise? Oh my god? What's happening? And

46:20

they just keep walking and why is this next

46:23

thing?

46:23

You know?

46:23

Walk dead assid?

46:26

Hey, this is why we're gonna get canceled.

46:33

I fucking crying. You

46:36

just described every scary movie with a

46:38

white woman.

46:41

Some of those ones are are terrible.

46:43

I don't watch many of That's what those are.

46:45

More like, that's what would have happened in the

46:47

cold. She was like, well you're

46:49

stabbing that man, I'm coming over there.

46:51

And wouldn't have known the way I'm seeing

46:54

is like, look the corridor

46:56

where all the blood is right, sure.

46:58

I got this.

46:59

You've got a tremendous amount of growth

47:01

on both sides and a wall and

47:04

then an iron door. It's

47:07

got that metal meshy

47:09

shit top to bottom. So you're in the middle of that. You

47:11

aren't seeing shit, you're

47:14

hearing shit, and you just walk

47:16

out and open the door and you're right

47:18

there because I

47:21

don't think there's any way for that to not be poorly

47:23

lit, and

47:25

you just hear commotion and you have

47:27

to walk in to find out. And scary movies. They

47:29

know the killers in the house. They just for some reason want

47:32

to stay in the goddamn house that I don't

47:34

understand. There's

47:36

a whole lot of outdoors and they're never

47:38

in it. With the scary movies. They always

47:40

stay indoors.

47:42

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