0:00

What's that is that a real Phil's coffee? Oh Tell

0:03

me about Phil's coffee. It's such a choice every

0:06

morning. I just post mates it to the

0:08

crib, but is it good? I love

0:10

it. Yeah, why what makes it so good?

0:12

I don't know. It's just got such a

0:14

weird name Phil Is

0:17

it like Philly or is it like a random weirdo? They

0:19

just wanted their name to be on the coffee You

0:22

know I have been to their website and looked

0:24

at their origin story before but I can't remember

0:26

you shut the fuck up Have you really yeah,

0:29

I love that about you. We're like hundreds of

0:31

times. I like wanted to figure out what's going on

0:33

I could have a z it's

0:35

very like it's not like what is the people

0:37

that they say they just put powder? Instant

0:40

coffee no the company that actually has

0:42

just like cans of powder that they put hot

0:45

water in coffee bean That's what coffee

0:47

bean does yes? Well, the

0:49

vanilla lattes a powder formula that they put

0:51

water in I did used to live next to a

0:53

coffee bean It tastes like it too sucks right

0:55

yeah sucks in my opinion, but I

0:58

could see why there are people that really like it It's

1:00

because you could get you it

1:02

tastes like McDonald's Sugar

1:05

sugar and sugar. I haven't spent

1:07

a lot of time drinking McDonald's coffee in my life either

1:09

I'm not talking about the coffee. I've never had a

1:11

McDonald's coffee I think I'd murder myself before I'd have

1:13

a McDonald's just like it tastes like McDonald's

1:15

as a whole I love their products

1:18

like just in general you know how you feel

1:20

heavy after you eat there Yeah, like you don't

1:22

feel light you feel like you need to take

1:24

a nap every once in a while. I

1:26

said hey McDonald's I Like

1:29

the fries they're very salty when you need salt.

1:31

That's true. Yeah, no definitely

1:33

why did my girl buy some? My

1:37

girl bought some rich crackers that

1:39

don't have salt on them horrible It's such

1:41

a tease, but imagine like a wheat

1:43

thin without salt. That's like the

1:46

devil. We're just talking about crackers Love

1:48

wheat pins. I love wheat things too,

1:50

but imagine a wheat then without salt Yeah,

1:52

the sauce tea a cracker is really a

1:55

salt can do it. Yeah, but a tris

1:57

get has like the most it has

1:59

the most crunch But babe imagine all that crunch

2:01

with no flavor. That's horrific Hey guys, you don't

2:03

have like a soda or something with a little

2:05

like caffeine or anything in it. Do you? Phil's

2:09

coffee Thanks for getting

2:11

me a coffee. Oh man My

2:17

my wife was supposed to be here I know

2:19

she's sick and her she's a girls girls. I'm sad. I

2:21

didn't get a meter She's like deathly sick.

2:24

She's been kobidi not actually death, but

2:26

like she's had this crazy Fever

2:29

slash flu thing going on for

2:31

like four days now and coven.

2:33

It's not covered. I guess she took multiple tests

2:35

Damn, I know did you go to the doctor?

2:38

No, okay. Well, you probably should take her to the doctor.

2:40

She's not feeling good tomorrow. I Just

2:43

been coming in to work. I'm not taking her anywhere You're

2:46

like I will spread this to every single one of you

2:48

did not know I've been sleeping in my kids room and

2:50

shit I have my phone in it and I need to use my phone.

2:52

I've been staying away from all of the

2:55

humans Me too. I don't

2:57

like the humans. I'm on outer space. Really?

2:59

Yeah, so where do you go? What do you do? Nothing

3:02

for the past three months. I've been inside my

3:04

home. I don't leave. I'm too scared really

3:08

So We all

3:10

watch these Okay, do you really want me

3:12

to like go in you said like

3:14

let's talk about some Relationship stuff or something kind

3:16

of light before we get into some crazy shit.

3:19

Sorry Kirkland cold-brew coffee

3:22

One hundred percent Colombian. Do you really

3:24

think that I'm going to drink this

3:26

sir? Can we get a zoom in

3:28

on whatever the this is what's wrong

3:31

with Kirkland? That's Costco's brand, babe. I'm

3:33

scared of this Okay, I'm gonna actually

3:35

I'm gonna drag it. I'm gonna test taste it on

3:37

camera live right now. We've seen calories You

3:39

can't go wrong. I don't care about the

3:41

calories. I care about the taste. Oh Hell

3:47

no I've

3:49

sampled that tastes like a coffee bean that you

3:52

just jumped on and then put some sewer water

3:54

with Damn, we're slender and all my

3:56

breath is gonna be crazy. I'm so sorry. I

3:58

thank God you can't smell my breath That's a

4:00

lot of yeah Fema that's going to have you

4:02

roll and. I saw had own unique as

4:04

a system. Is ah I'm. Okay,

4:08

Sort. Of. Ah,

4:10

Season So many ways to go here. So. Why

4:12

don't we just start off with their like fun

4:14

topic? Far. As. I call him man trackers

4:16

would you do enormous and Zola when you

4:19

make a decision sir and said the. I'm

4:21

so I moved to Bali during cold.

4:23

As I'm I rarely was at a

4:25

point where you know it's own else

4:28

you know, like. Ah much about

4:30

mean by I'll Lake. Kind.

4:32

Of been intertwined with all of the legs

4:34

really powerful people that down around the world

4:37

right now in one way or another. Across

4:39

the board one of them was Don Trump

4:41

junior say I'm an Eye this new to

4:43

match and when they took over and and

4:46

co that and then being stuck in this.

4:48

You know, it kind of felt like we are all

4:51

being it and we were stuck in a cycle and

4:53

I saw. What? Was happening and what

4:55

was really behind it all and I know

4:57

the intentions of the players versus the way

4:59

the world was interpreting it's I saw how

5:02

everybody was taking their cues to be divisive

5:04

because that's what they do when they need

5:06

to get money from here in go there

5:08

without anyone looking and I saw how. People.

5:11

Were utilizing those devices, tactics as

5:13

an identity and a bunch of

5:15

other very deep intellectual things that

5:18

were spinning me and and place

5:20

that was so unhealthy. A soldier

5:22

on the and I needed to

5:24

completely like. I. Needed to

5:26

detach. I've been on a

5:28

public figure celebrity would ever

5:30

since I was like seventeen.

5:33

So. i needed to detach i have

5:35

found myself in bali for a very

5:37

random reason i went there by myself

5:40

on and bali just happens to be

5:42

a place where you know there's no

5:44

and or not there's no tv israeli

5:46

there's no billboards there's no entertainment industry

5:48

it's just all about healing and wellness

5:51

sell i didn't ever have to worry

5:53

about anything i'd enough to be any

5:55

one eyed enough to explain and nobody

5:57

cared who i was knew who i

6:00

was or wanted to talk about it and

6:02

then anytime that I opened up and shared something

6:04

instead of putting a mic under my face or

6:06

chopping it up in the edit so they can

6:09

get more likes or doing whatever

6:11

has been done with my story for the

6:13

past 30, well not God, no, over

6:15

20 years. I've been in the entertainment

6:18

industry, I'll say that. They

6:20

just put their hand on your heart and

6:22

they say thank you for

6:24

sharing that with me. I really respect

6:26

and value and appreciate your story. So

6:29

your whole adult life you've

6:32

basically been having every lived

6:34

experience turned into content,

6:36

turned into gossip, turned into

6:39

media fodder and then

6:41

you go... Before people started faking it for a

6:43

living on TikTok. The world

6:45

shut down and then you went to Bali or you went to Bali

6:48

and then the world shut down so you kind of got stuck there.

6:50

No, I was on the last flight that

6:52

they allowed into Bali because Bali was a

6:54

red zone. Really? There's like three people on

6:57

the flight and everyone was looking at us

6:59

like you are crazy for going to a

7:01

red zone and America made us all fear

7:03

the red zones. Remember when there were colors

7:05

on all the different areas internationally? And

7:09

Bali was a red zone and Indonesia was a

7:11

red zone and I never met one

7:13

person with COVID and I did Bikram every day

7:15

which is like 30, 40

7:17

people in a room breathing each other's air very

7:19

heavily. Is that like a hot yoga thing

7:21

where it's all trapped in there? Yeah, trapped. And

7:24

the first couple of times, I mean there are

7:26

no locks on any doors in Bali. So like

7:28

for my first three months, I was just dead

7:31

paranoid that I would get shot, raped, stabbed, whatever.

7:33

I had all these thoughts in my head constantly

7:35

and the first time I had a good sleep,

7:37

I woke up and I thought, I

7:40

have been so trained by America

7:42

like America has groomed me. That's

7:45

a level of grooming that I hadn't

7:47

even understood until I lived in another

7:49

country. How groomed I

7:51

was to understand violence and protect myself from

7:53

it. Shit, I signed something before I walked

7:55

in here that said I wasn't carrying.

7:58

This is a podcast. To her

8:00

this is like hard to believe. I

8:03

literally wrote, I wrote your producer

8:05

and I was like I'll leave my Glock

8:08

in my glam room. Like damn

8:10

I'm so sad I couldn't bring my Glock or whatever

8:12

it's called. Many a Glock or something. Girl I had to

8:14

literally look it up because I spelled it wrong. I'm

8:16

just letting you know. Glock? Yeah.

8:19

CK. Yeah I

8:21

didn't know. I just put GLOK like what

8:23

do I know about guns? Right. Yeah

8:25

once you get close to the rap stuff there's a lot more. Oh

8:28

I've been close to the rap stuff. I've seen all of them.

8:30

I just don't know what they're called. I've seen lots of colors

8:32

and flavors and I get it. Who's the most dangerous

8:34

rapper you spend a bunch of time around? Besides

8:38

the obvious. Yeah I mean let's

8:40

just go with the obvious diddy. Okay.

8:45

I've been around people that are assumed

8:47

to be very dangerous people like let's

8:49

say Shug Night. I enjoyed him. He

8:51

was great to me. Okay. Yeah.

8:55

He wasn't in business with you? No he wasn't in business

8:57

with me and he didn't try to hit on me. He just

8:59

really f***ed with me as a person and wanted to hang out.

9:01

Mmm. Yeah. Was that a

9:04

chime? It was. Let me turn

9:06

that off. That's so good. I'm just so sorry. That's

9:09

crazy. I don't remember anything like this. You were worried

9:11

I was going to bring a Glock and you're scared of

9:13

a beep. Good God. We

9:15

give the same release form to

9:17

everyone? I understand. I'm teasing

9:19

you. That's okay. Wait.

9:22

Wait till she sees the video of the person who ran up

9:25

into the podcast room and put a gun in my face. Oh

9:27

I thought I did. Oh I actually did

9:29

see a video where a gun was pulled out

9:31

but wasn't it just a fake viral thing? It

9:34

ended up being, well the gun ended up being fake

9:36

but we didn't have any clue. It wasn't like an

9:38

inside job. I thought you guys planned it all

9:40

to be viral and I was like that's so

9:42

embarrassing and silly and I've been in rooms where

9:44

guns were rolled up in that exact way that

9:47

I watched the viral clip and I

9:49

just was like why would anyone want to

9:51

fake something like that? It's a horrific experience

9:53

to be a part of to get likes

9:55

but no disrespect. I understand that's the world

9:57

we live in now. It

10:00

was from our perspective, it was real. Although

10:02

a ton of people thought that it was fake but for

10:04

us, we beat the dog show. We

10:07

almost killed them. Okay, so that's why you guys have

10:10

that. Because I've done other podcasts and I never had leave your gun

10:12

at home that I signed. Yeah,

10:15

you should start doing more hip hop podcasts. It's the

10:17

whole thing over here. You know they're not going to

10:19

fuck with me and not especially after today. Well,

10:21

I don't know how much love Diddy really gets from

10:23

the hip hop world at this point. Well, let's talk

10:26

about that. I mean, Charlamagne and Joe Budden

10:28

kept their mouths super silent and they're literally

10:30

famous for being gossip. I know, they're scary.

10:33

They're scary or they're scared?

10:35

Well, they're scared. There you go. I'm

10:38

just keeping the hip hop. But okay, that

10:41

definitely has been a crazy thing to witness. Okay, let

10:43

me ask you this. You

10:46

were 17 when you got into the

10:48

making the band process and everything. Yeah.

10:51

What kind of kid

10:54

were you that you were going after

10:56

this opportunity of being on reality TV

10:58

and getting into all this type of

11:00

stuff so early on? So

11:03

reality TV wasn't a thing then. There

11:06

was no music reality competition. This

11:08

was before American Idol. There

11:12

was a season prior to mine. I did not

11:14

watch it. It was the band. I

11:16

watched that. Everybody famously remembers the cheesecake

11:18

situation or something that happened. But

11:21

I did not watch that. But I was starting

11:24

out in college, I was going to go to law

11:26

school. I wanted to be an entertainment attorney or potentially

11:29

some type of an attorney that works internationally

11:32

with refugees. I was playing back and forth

11:34

with it. I

11:36

come from a family of lawyers. So

11:38

I was always in music. I was

11:40

always on stage. But I

11:43

thought once it was time to get serious that

11:45

I needed a serious job. But truly, I

11:47

don't believe I ever was meant to go that

11:49

route. My mom, who is a lawyer, sent

11:52

me the audition and was like, you know,

11:55

you're getting ready to go to law school.

11:59

I'm a lawyer. there's a glass ceiling, you're gonna

12:01

have a miserable life and you're far too creative

12:03

for this. I didn't have half the talent you

12:05

do and I just saw

12:08

this audition on the cover of The Desert Sun

12:10

which was our local newspaper in the desert, Palm

12:12

Springs. So Diddy was looking for

12:14

a girl that could sing like

12:20

Christina and dance like Brittany and he

12:22

wanted to make an international superstar girl

12:24

group and that's exactly what he did.

12:26

I told my mom no that's stupid

12:28

and I went to school that day

12:30

and I was waiting for a boy

12:32

that I liked to give me a ride and he ended

12:34

up, I asked him could he give

12:37

me a ride and he ended up having to work

12:39

and so I was like and I'm just gonna go

12:41

to class it's not meant for me moving on but

12:43

that night I had had a dream that I was

12:45

performing on stage and I just barely remember bits but

12:48

like I was touching people's hands they were screaming and

12:50

crying and like touching my hands back and I was

12:52

singing. So I had a thought

12:54

that morning to maybe go do what my mom had

12:56

sent me but my

12:58

boy the boy I was talking to couldn't take me

13:00

and then randomly he got it off work

13:02

and he picked me up from my way

13:05

walking to my poli sci class and

13:07

drove me out to LA and I auditioned

13:09

for this band and my life changed overnight

13:12

and reality TV wasn't a thing I had

13:14

no idea what to expect I remember being

13:16

back at home walking into a Ralph's the

13:18

day the first like commercial aired and like

13:20

16 people in the

13:22

aisle dropped their baskets of food and shit

13:25

went flying and they were like your Aubrey

13:27

OJ and I was like no

13:29

idea what the was going on right I

13:31

mean that was before it was like and

13:34

now you see reality TV stars everywhere everybody's

13:36

a fucking reality TV start with TikTok very

13:38

very few rise to the point of

13:40

having the kind of fame that you

13:42

would have from just being on an

13:44

MTV reality show at that point I

13:46

don't know I mean and tell me if you

13:48

can name them even you probably could you might

13:50

have more knowledge I don't know that there's any

13:52

that one that's been in reality TV as long

13:55

as me on a television show every year pretty

13:57

much year every other year

13:59

since I was in my teens to up

14:01

till now and I'm almost turning 40. I've

14:04

been on so many shows.

14:07

It's insane. So what's your perspective on it

14:09

now? You think it's just like unbelievably lame

14:11

and corny or is it something that you

14:13

pull close your heart? No, I think TikTok is

14:16

unbelievably lame and corny. I think the whole new

14:18

generation is unbelievably lame and corny. Sorry, it's not

14:20

their fault. They're being fed the new, the information

14:22

and they're being told that they

14:24

can be something. And meanwhile, China's collecting

14:26

all their data and it's gonna control

14:28

who wins the election this year. And

14:31

it's very problematic. That's true.

14:34

And we need to definitely figure out

14:36

how to create some legislation that at

14:38

least creates these types of apps and

14:40

programs that are gonna promote being famous

14:42

and allow you the opportunity to gain

14:45

an audience to at least being

14:48

made in America so that we're not

14:51

having our data stolen or misused in any

14:53

type of way to hurt us in

14:56

the international scheme. Definitely. So, okay, you

14:58

joined Dan and Dekeine and like I

15:01

myself watched like an hour plus of

15:03

YouTube documentaries last night about the whole

15:05

rise and how it all came together

15:07

and the different characters and everything. Suede,

15:09

rise and fall. Was that it? Was

15:12

Suede doing it? Some woman just reading

15:14

into the camera and talking about,

15:16

I don't know. But what

15:19

was your relationship like with Diddy early on?

15:21

Because it seemed like from the show, I've

15:23

seen some clips that he definitely had

15:26

like a real vested interest in your appearance

15:28

and had very strong opinions at times. I

15:30

don't know how much of that is like

15:32

kind of for the camera versus like you

15:34

and him actually having a sort of sadistic

15:37

relationship, one-sidedly sadistic, I

15:40

believe. I think all of those

15:42

words that you just use are very accurate

15:44

for this moment. I did not recognize

15:46

that at the time I was in my teens.

15:48

I was far too young. Nothing we did was

15:50

faked then. I was, I've been on

15:53

reality TV so long that I can literally tell you

15:55

when the shift was. I remember when I used to

15:57

walk on the sets and just with me and I

15:59

remember. when I started being handed a script

16:01

or lines to say, or

16:04

just watch the producer walk in and tell us

16:06

what to do in the scene. That

16:09

got real uncomfortable. I really, once

16:12

I was started being asked to do that,

16:14

I've not watched any of those shows. There's

16:16

so many shows I've been on that I

16:18

never even watched because I just know they're

16:20

silly. And I was just taking a

16:23

paycheck. There's really nothing going

16:25

on authentic anymore, very little. But

16:28

you felt like did he have some special

16:30

type of interest in you from early on?

16:32

Or? Nothing that

16:35

we did was fake. So

16:37

whatever you saw, which you're

16:39

describing as being a one-sided,

16:41

sadistic pull toward me, I assume, or

16:43

however you would say it, whatever you saw, is

16:46

what it was. Right. And

16:49

does this just start increasing as

16:51

the years go by? Yeah.

16:59

So there's

17:02

a lot of, let's

17:04

continue to, I'll go piece

17:06

by piece with you. But

17:08

yes, I have a girlfriend

17:10

that I'm right

17:13

now taking inventory of my experience.

17:15

I'm being forced to in so

17:18

many ways. And

17:23

I'm making sure that I not only have

17:25

the receipts, but I have the understanding mentally

17:27

of where I was at, which takes asking

17:30

the people that were around me at the

17:32

time what were my responses to things. And

17:35

I'm finding out so many times, even

17:37

very early on, where Diddy was making comments

17:39

like, oh, now you're f***able. You look right.

17:41

I can f*** you now. And

17:44

things like that, I don't even remember. And

17:46

I asked my girlfriend when she recalled that. My

17:49

girlfriend, who is a therapist for UCLA and has

17:51

nothing to do with the entertainment industry and wants

17:53

no part in it, she

17:56

said, she remembers when he said that to

17:58

me. And then I said. What

18:00

did I do and she she said you kind of

18:02

looked at me and said he finally

18:04

thinks I'm pretty That

18:07

was what I thought in that moment now.

18:09

I don't recall that but she recalled it

18:11

very clearly and I Think

18:14

that it's just so telling for

18:17

what a woman goes through

18:19

and a systemic problem Specifically

18:23

right now we're discussing urban music, but

18:25

it's happening across the board in music

18:28

But it's a system

18:30

systemic problem that like, you

18:33

know, you meet the person that can make

18:35

your dreams come true It's it's very much

18:37

it's grooming. It's very much like what the

18:40

military does They break you down

18:42

to make you what they need you to be

18:44

an abuser will never abuse you on day

18:46

one. They Push

18:49

you a little bit. They talk to you a little

18:51

rougher then they grab your arm a couple times They

18:54

get a little more forceful. They nudge

18:56

you they poke at you and then

18:59

they get into your head that you're problematic You're

19:01

a problem and you need somebody that's real that

19:03

will tell you like it doesn't get you in

19:05

line And when you find that person that's when

19:08

you'll know you're really cared about and really loved

19:11

And when you are so young and you have a child When

19:14

you are so young you see how quickly

19:16

kids pick things up and how quickly you

19:18

start to understand the world When

19:20

you are a young age and

19:22

you're being groomed and like I

19:24

said America grooms us so

19:28

So there's all kinds of issues that were you know

19:30

instilled in all of us that we are not even

19:32

aware of until you leave But

19:34

specifically in this setting and abuse

19:36

are grooms you in that manner

19:39

so that when they finally do Violate

19:42

you in a serious way all of

19:44

that to me is serious though, frankly

19:47

when grooming is serious But

19:49

when they violate you in a in a

19:52

salt way People

19:56

like I was told that you kind

19:58

of I took pause

20:01

on Cassie's story because it's 11 years that

20:03

she dealt with something that sounds so traumatic,

20:05

I guess kind of where the words I

20:07

was kind of told that your perspective was,

20:09

is that accurate? I

20:12

think at least in the beginning, I was pretty

20:14

skeptical of just what we

20:16

could really, you know, be

20:19

sure of in regards to all this. I

20:21

think like having heard so many people's stories,

20:24

especially, you know what really made

20:26

me feel confident in a lot

20:28

of the stuff is listening to

20:30

Gene Deal, his bodyguard. Yeah, I talked

20:32

to him yesterday. Really? Yeah.

20:35

Because he had a really astonishing quote. You

20:37

hear the one he's not saying, it's even crazier.

20:40

Right. So he's got stuff in

20:42

the tuck that he hasn't put out there? Everybody

20:44

does. Really? Yeah.

20:47

He had a line- Allegedly. And

20:50

we're going super out of order here, but he had a

20:52

line when he was talking about Dannady

20:54

Kane, where he said

20:56

that- this is the

20:58

line. It

21:02

was when a couple of the girls in Dannady

21:04

Kane, I guess, like refused to sign some type

21:06

of agreement. We were giving a publishing

21:08

deal prior to Cassie coming forward,

21:10

about six months, maybe even

21:12

prior to that. And Gene said that

21:14

Diddy's said to him in privacy, like there

21:16

was only one other person in the room,

21:18

I'm going to drug they

21:21

ass out and pimp them out to my

21:23

N-words. Yep. And

21:26

Gene apparently was horrified and told-

21:28

and he's quoting himself, but

21:30

he said that he said that's

21:33

somebody's child. And then- So

21:35

let me give you clarity on that because I did want

21:37

to talk to Gene because I took issue

21:40

with that interview because he

21:43

chuckled in it a bit when he was saying it.

21:46

And I did not f*** with that at all. Really?

21:49

And then when I got on the phone with

21:51

him, he is the kindest, sweetest man. He

21:54

acknowledged that, you know, it wasn't an uncomfortable

21:56

thing that he was kind of recalling and

21:58

it was like an- nervous chuckle and he

22:01

takes it really seriously and that you know he

22:03

was sorry if I was offended so I want

22:05

to make sure that that's noted because I

22:07

don't want to act like I watched that and

22:09

was like oh I'm so happy to have received

22:11

this information with a little bit of a chuckle.

22:14

I didn't think it was like a chuckle I think it

22:17

almost says more like I felt like he was almost on

22:19

the verge of like crying. No rewatch

22:21

it. Really? There was a

22:23

chuckle yeah. Okay. It was noticeable

22:25

enough for me to get five million messages about it.

22:27

Oh really okay. But he acknowledged it

22:29

right away to me and I really respect

22:31

him for that because it did

22:34

not have that intention on it. And

22:36

also when I first thought because there

22:38

are so many people coming forward and

22:41

there are so many stories and you're only

22:43

seeing what you are seeing online

22:45

right that's according to some TikTokers or

22:48

whoever. There's a whole

22:50

world happening behind

22:53

all of that that is so

22:55

beyond your imagination we could sit

22:58

here for hours and that's not

23:00

even information that I personally would

23:03

share because they're not all

23:05

my stories. You're talking about private group

23:08

chats, emails, etc. of people who know

23:10

about stuff that happened in this bad

23:12

boy universe that are like privately working

23:15

on what might be to come out

23:17

publicly in the future? There

23:19

are so many witnesses. There

23:21

are so many victims. Now if or

23:24

if not there were to be any

23:26

type of investigation occurring. No

23:28

victim should be

23:30

or can communicate with other victims

23:32

and so victims are likely not

23:35

communicating with victims. But

23:37

a lot of people that know

23:40

things or that are building things

23:42

or whatever do reach

23:44

out, do tell you everything. Sometimes

23:47

they'll just write everything. I mean I receive information

23:49

whether I want to or not. But

23:52

I've erred on the

23:54

side of stepping away from

23:57

the movie that's being made.

24:00

I don't mean that literally, I mean that metaphorically. The

24:02

movie of Diddy that's being painted

24:04

right now. And I come

24:06

back to myself, what I know

24:09

to be true, what I

24:11

know I witnessed, what I

24:13

have receipts of, and

24:16

what I believe, and I have pondered it

24:19

all the way down to, I really

24:22

adore one of his kids. So

24:25

to me, I have to ask myself,

24:27

this is a father. So

24:30

you really need to be sure when

24:32

you speak what you're speaking about

24:35

and how you're speaking about it because this

24:38

is a man that's a father and

24:40

I think it

24:42

takes a certain amount of something to be a

24:44

good one. I'm not saying he is or isn't,

24:47

but I've, I

24:52

have enough information at this point that

24:54

I asked Jean

24:56

just bluntly, is this

24:59

a sociopath? Or is this somebody

25:01

that can

25:03

be redeemed? And I'm not talking about

25:05

in business or to the world. I

25:07

think it's a wrap for that. I

25:10

mean like his soul. Because

25:14

I care for people's souls and that

25:16

was a man that at one point I, I

25:25

just like, adored.

25:33

Looked up too, he made my dreams happen.

25:37

You know, it's just somebody that like I

25:40

just thought was all

25:43

encompassing, like everybody saw him to

25:45

be for so long

25:47

and I, a random girl

25:49

in Palm Springs, a

25:51

random white girl in Palm Springs, I might be

25:53

the only random white bitch in Palm Springs that

25:55

was bumping Pac and Biggie, but still, the,

26:00

a white girl from Palm Springs ends up

26:02

coming and being like this lead and his

26:05

five member band That

26:08

did become you know double

26:10

platinum international girl

26:13

group That is

26:15

like, you know, I still believe in the

26:17

Guinness Book of World Records ever having back-to-back

26:20

number one albums I mean these things are

26:22

not like cute little like

26:24

I've I went million today on tick-tock.

26:26

These are real stats This is

26:28

real shit. This isn't bought paid for

26:30

this isn't viral. This isn't streams This

26:32

is a day and age where everybody

26:34

wanted to be in someone's myspace top

26:36

eight And where you had

26:39

to walk into a record store and buy a

26:41

record People physically walked

26:43

into a record store and bought

26:45

Danity Cain's records and they are

26:47

the ones that gave us Two double platinum albums

26:49

at that time 14 99 17 99. I don't know what

26:51

it was Let's

26:54

call it 16 times 4 million if that's

26:56

what it is. That's like 60 plus million

26:58

dollars. I didn't say penny of it

27:00

Mmm, none of us did right

27:03

because the labels supposedly never recouped

27:05

or whatever for all the costs

27:07

associated with Getting this

27:09

thing off the ground You

27:12

buy that all well considering

27:14

that MTV and Biocom

27:18

were attached to the beginning of

27:20

this picture They

27:22

were paying for the studio space

27:24

the producers. They were taking on

27:26

most of the cost. They were

27:28

even paying for Diddy's demanded

27:32

helicopters specific type of like really

27:34

expensive jet that he would walk

27:36

off of when he'd arrived to

27:38

set allegedly So the

27:41

people footing the bill and I'm sure they made

27:43

a lot of money off of us as well

27:46

Mm-hmm. We were paid I think

27:48

in the beginning like four thousand dollars I

27:51

make six figures on a television show

27:53

nowadays and I won't take anything under

27:55

that You know how

27:57

hard I had to work to get to that number when starting

27:59

out at four 4k, which you know is

28:01

ridiculous. No, yeah, it's

28:03

terrible. But let me answer this. There's

28:05

a extremely viral

28:07

clip of Jaguar right going

28:10

through a lineage of

28:12

all these different people who are associated

28:14

with puffy that from her Perspective

28:17

were planning on writing books or

28:19

coming forward speaking about him, etc

28:22

I actually just watched an extremely good video by

28:24

my friend swamp stories about this and he did

28:26

a little bit of fact checking on

28:28

some of the The deaths

28:30

that she's basically claiming to be associated with Diddy

28:33

and there's there's some stuff that seems a little

28:35

bit off-base But a button the overall theme it

28:37

does seem pretty out of the

28:39

ordinary. Would you say that that? When

28:43

you see that clip of Jaguar right saying that Which

28:46

part she said a lot just saying well

28:48

the primary clip of her just sort of

28:50

listing off all these different people who in

28:52

His orbit who passed away seemingly of mysterious

28:55

causes What

28:57

is what are the emotions that you feel when you

28:59

see that and is that part of why you've been

29:01

keeping such a low profile And why you're living in

29:03

this sort of state of fear If

29:11

you were to believe what Cassie has

29:13

alleged in Her

29:16

lawsuit that was settled

29:18

in under 48 hours Mmm

29:21

It says that a car was blown up kid cuddies

29:24

And if you believe that which cut he confirmed it

29:26

if you believe that I mean it is hard to

29:28

believe That the average person

29:30

is capable of like getting someone killed so

29:32

she threw like poison or whatever But

29:35

now that we have it confirmed that he blew

29:37

up kid cuddies car Well,

29:39

I mean it's not that far of a leap to say that

29:41

they could Orchestrate somebody losing

29:44

their life as well, right? So question

29:46

if you worked for somebody that Now

29:49

it's on record that is capable of at

29:52

the very least doing that a

29:54

lot of people suggest a whole lot more If

29:57

you add first-hand conversation

30:00

with bodyguards that

30:02

potentially helped along with any

30:04

of that or could talk to you personally about

30:06

any of that and how

30:08

would you feel leaving your house. I have

30:10

over 600 license plates screen

30:12

capped in my phone right now from

30:15

the past three months of just random

30:17

cars that were parked outside my home that didn't look

30:19

right to me. I've

30:22

never seen them on my block or I'll

30:24

make a quick u-turn if I need to

30:26

get some groceries and like a big car

30:28

bus a u-turn in a really weird spot.

30:32

It's like there are things that I know

30:34

to look out for because

30:37

I've been followed before in multiple

30:40

settings that I'm noticing.

30:43

So would let me just ask you

30:45

would you not be a bit worried

30:47

or stay at home or keep yourself

30:49

safe would you not? I'm

30:51

a little worried doing this interview. There

30:54

you go. So yeah I

30:56

can imagine that that probably is reasonable. Have

30:59

you had like any experiences that I mean I

31:01

would ask Roz literally like am I being

31:03

crazy. I would literally

31:05

just ask him because he very

31:08

much is not a drama queen

31:10

is not about gossip and would

31:12

directly state to me you

31:15

know where he felt I was doing too

31:17

much and where he felt like I was

31:19

doing enough like

31:21

while we were dating and he knew about it. Roz

31:23

would always tell me. So

31:26

I don't know I mean I want

31:28

I wondered sometimes and I

31:30

tried my best to get the answer to it.

31:33

Was the Cassie lawsuit a surprise to you or

31:35

did you know that was coming? I

31:39

knew something was coming because it

31:44

was too much of a stretch for me

31:46

to believe that I

31:49

knew something was coming when I was given the publishing

31:51

deal. I knew

31:54

after my attorney looked

31:56

into it and saw that we weren't really

31:58

getting our publishing background. from back when

32:00

we actually sold as many records as we

32:03

did, which would financially change all of our

32:05

lives. And we did write on songs, and

32:07

so we would get a nice chunk of

32:09

money. I

32:13

saw all the headlines about Ditties

32:15

being benevolent and giving all of

32:18

his blessed artists their publishing back

32:21

because it's, you know, notoriously known throughout

32:23

time that he he screws his artists

32:25

over allegedly. So

32:28

when that came to me

32:30

and then my attorney confirmed, it's

32:33

not really him, it's Sony, and

32:35

now they own your catalog. And

32:37

now they

32:40

are giving you the rights to whatever it's made

32:43

in this small period of time and in the

32:45

streaming age when you have to stream something a

32:47

million times to make a cent. What good does

32:49

that even do me? Right. And

32:52

then it came along

32:54

with a silencer, basically, even so

32:56

many words that came along with

32:58

a very long, drawn

33:00

out, you can never speak

33:02

of all of these things and people ever

33:05

again. And these people, these people, the people

33:07

that they've ever worked with and anyone that

33:09

they've ever worked with, who's worked with, who's

33:11

worked with. I mean, it went

33:14

on for generations. It basically would cover everyone

33:16

in the music industry. So I

33:18

knew at that point he's not being benevolent.

33:20

He's covering his ass for something. And that's

33:23

when I wrote my band and I told

33:25

them, please do not find this

33:28

something bad is going to happen. Or

33:30

the only other thought I had was he's

33:32

promoting an album. The thought that I didn't

33:35

have at the time that I kind of

33:37

have now is was the

33:39

album also an additional distraction? But

33:44

the part about getting being the benevolent

33:46

soul that was giving our publishing back,

33:48

giving us our publishing back when I

33:51

realized that that wasn't actually

33:53

real. We weren't really

33:55

getting our rightful

33:57

dues given back to us. I would just like.

34:00

to be paid for my work. I'm not asking for anything else.

34:02

No, I remember this news cycle. It's like at

34:04

first it's like, Oh, wow. God. Didi is doing

34:06

something so nice. And I can say one thing

34:08

that really was sitting in my soul since we're getting

34:10

things out today. I just

34:12

want to say to every journalist, what

34:15

kind of camera can I look in

34:17

to every journalist that was given that

34:19

story by probably his publicist and that

34:22

ran it. And I'm talking, I saw

34:24

it on the covers of Complex Variety,

34:26

all the way to like very reputable

34:28

news sources that are official

34:31

and confirm things. You

34:33

guys spread a very

34:35

big black and white headline

34:37

to the world that was not accurate. And

34:40

that is poor journalism and you guys should

34:42

be ashamed of yourself straight up. Well,

34:45

I mean, he was trying to give the publishing back.

34:47

It's just that he was doing it in order to

34:50

the words, the pictures and the

34:52

choices made were very much that

34:54

he is a benevolent soul and

34:57

the pictures were arms

34:59

in the air. And here's the

35:01

King coming to do right

35:03

by everybody. All everyone that participated in

35:05

that story, I didn't get a phone

35:08

call from any of them. I was

35:10

not asked by any. I had to

35:12

go on an OnlyFans podcast. Shut

35:15

up, Glennie. Love Glenn. To

35:17

be able and I had to

35:19

ask Glenn, Hey, can you just ask me about this? Because

35:22

no one is and there's a problem

35:25

with what's being said right now. Right.

35:28

And yet it was just like I

35:31

literally my manager and agent called me and were

35:33

like, congratulations, I'm so happy that you're finally going

35:35

to be paid for your work. And

35:37

I was like, wow, so everybody's just believing this.

35:40

Right. Yeah. So that was the

35:42

original story. Then the next round of stories

35:44

was basically people doing a little bit more

35:46

deep digging and realizing that what he was

35:48

actually giving back was not really worth all

35:51

that much in terms of actual dollars. No,

35:53

let me correct you. The next

35:55

round of stories was me going

35:57

on Glenn's podcast and reading the

35:59

contract parts. of it to the

36:01

world and then that went viral after

36:03

Cassie dropped her lawsuit. My name was

36:05

trending with Diddy and Cassie and I

36:07

thought Drake released an album but no

36:10

it turns out it was because of

36:12

that interview because in that interview Glenn

36:14

asked me why do you think

36:16

he's lying about this or making it seem like you're

36:18

getting all of this stuff back when you're really it's

36:21

really not what it sounds like. If

36:23

they had just approached me even with just the publishing

36:25

they can only give me now right? If Sony just

36:27

said all we can give you is what it is

36:29

now. Why did that come with a

36:31

contract that said I can't speak Diddy's name

36:33

any of his family or any of his

36:35

business partners and their business partners and their

36:38

business partners and also says you can never

36:40

speak of this contract or its existence. Why

36:43

couldn't you just give me my rightful dues

36:45

with putting none of the rest of it

36:48

on there? I would really

36:50

like someone from Sony to answer that for

36:52

me if there are any lawyers or anyone

36:54

from Sony that can provide that answer I

36:56

would really appreciate it and so would the

36:58

band members and my group that didn't

37:01

sign the contract either. We would like to know

37:03

the answer to those questions it's really hard to

37:05

get any answers. If every single

37:07

person signed that contract. Some

37:10

people did. But he would be giving up

37:12

maybe what like a couple hundred grand a year

37:14

maybe a million a year. He

37:16

would be giving up nothing that he's

37:18

not giving way more of right now

37:21

to a lot of people probably allegedly.

37:23

But because then the amount that he

37:26

benefits from I don't know 50 people

37:28

signing these NDA's is massive. You

37:30

know what the sure but also the

37:33

benefit is like you've corrected your soul's

37:35

journey. You

37:37

stop screwing people over. Have you ever screwed anyone

37:39

over? If you're a good person it usually

37:42

wakes you up at night 10 years later. I

37:44

like to correct my wrongs. You

37:47

know I'm not always aware of them. Sometimes people

37:49

act like they really like me in the room and then

37:51

I find I see a whole different edit on the Internet.

37:53

I don't know if I watch it happen in a podcast.

37:55

I don't know what happened. We're great in the room. Either

37:58

way I don't know. all

38:01

the time that I've offended someone or hurt somebody,

38:03

but I certainly would acknowledge it and want to

38:05

make it right if I did. And

38:08

I'm wondering where that part of him

38:10

is. Is Diddy

38:12

really in a place where he's

38:14

gonna be like suing people for

38:16

breaking their NDAs and shit or is

38:19

his career already in such a- I can't tell

38:21

you what place he's in, but I, listen,

38:24

if you have asked somebody to sign an NDA

38:28

that is requiring them to

38:30

be quiet about anything illegal,

38:34

that's not enforceable. Right. You

38:37

can drown them with whatever, but there's also a lot

38:40

of lawyers that'll work pro bono to get them like

38:42

drowned as well. So if there are

38:44

victims out there that are scared of that, they shouldn't

38:46

be. Right. So you're

38:48

saying that if you had signed that contract

38:50

and then if you ended up still disclosing

38:53

some degree of physical or

38:55

sexual abuse, the

38:58

NDA is not supposed to protect against

39:00

that because that's illegal and he

39:02

wouldn't really have much of a case to come after you. You can't

39:04

make someone sign a legal document

39:07

to stay quiet about illegal behavior.

39:09

That's not admissible. Even

39:12

if it's- You can't enforce that. Even if

39:14

it's illegal behavior that- Like, Stormy was able

39:16

to be in trouble because they had consensual

39:18

sex. Right. So

39:20

if she signed an NDA about consensual

39:22

sex and then she came forward and

39:24

talked about it, then she's gonna, the

39:26

lawsuit's not gonna go in her favor

39:29

regarding being sued over the NDA because

39:31

everything was consensual, nothing was illegal, and

39:34

you did break your contract. But

39:38

like, let's say had

39:40

everyone in Danity Kane signed

39:42

that contract, he could

39:44

have potentially used vocals that he had

39:46

of ours on his new album and

39:48

put us as one of the artists

39:51

featured. So people should

39:53

look into all the artists that are featured

39:55

on his album and try to

39:57

interview them and see if those are

39:59

vocals they did for his album or if

40:01

those are vocals that they recorded 10 years

40:05

ago and he just brought

40:07

them back because they're now silenced and

40:10

acted like they're featured in supporting him in this

40:12

new era of his journey. I think people should

40:14

look into that. I don't know what is

40:17

to be the case or allegedly to be the case

40:19

but it would be a good idea to go look.

40:21

When you see Diddy's career

40:24

going through this markedly downward

40:26

trajectory over the past couple of months,

40:29

how would you describe the emotions that

40:31

you feel seeing that happen? Oh God,

40:33

everything. I swear to you, I

40:35

have days where I'm like before

40:39

this information. Right because today...

40:42

This right before the holidays was

40:48

a different story and also I wasn't

40:51

connected with Probs anymore so I

40:54

couldn't get his take on all

40:56

of this. But

41:00

prior to, I went

41:03

through everything from I feel so

41:06

horrible for him literally

41:08

like that thought was

41:10

spoken out in my mouth and I can't believe

41:12

it now. But

41:15

I said to Probs like I

41:18

questioned everything. Do

41:20

girls secretly want it? Are

41:23

guys really this sick? Is

41:26

he sick and doesn't

41:28

know it? Is he sick and knows

41:30

it? Is he a sociopath? Does he

41:32

feel sorrow for his wrongs? I

41:35

don't have answers to anything.

41:38

There's just more and more questions

41:40

as I start getting third

41:43

party witness accounts that

41:46

are being attested to. I'm

41:57

getting more angry. You

42:00

know, I had the choice to

42:02

not come in here and do this interview today

42:04

that and a choice that could have potentially benefited

42:06

me by not. But

42:11

it didn't take me but one second to say

42:13

I don't care. Right. Just

42:16

out of curiosity, how long were you dating Proz

42:18

or what was that like? Of

42:21

the Fuji's for those who don't know. Yeah,

42:23

Proz. I'm sure you

42:25

know a little bit about his life going on right now.

42:28

Right. Crazy ass case, right? Yeah,

42:30

and he's being sentenced during the process of

42:32

the sentencing phase. Okay, that's happening right now. Yeah,

42:35

they're trying his team right now. He's

42:37

got a great team of lawyers that are trying

42:40

to fight for his freedom and point out

42:42

all of the problematic

42:44

actions that

42:46

took place during his court case.

42:58

And he's fighting for his life right now. So

43:01

imagine being in his shoes that

43:03

are so heavy. I mean, he's

43:06

facing the potential sentence, I believe

43:08

it's like 20 years max.

43:11

And then me coming

43:14

forward and he first came to me when

43:17

he saw Glenn's OnlyFans video drop

43:19

before it even went viral or

43:21

anyone saw it. He saw it

43:23

and he hit me up

43:26

and was like, you're a queen. I've

43:30

never seen anyone pull out

43:32

a document from one of these head

43:35

asshole labels and just

43:38

read the words out loud to everyone

43:40

and let

43:42

people know what these things really look like.

43:45

People are just too scared to

43:47

really get very transparent

43:49

about what's happening. How'd I sign

43:51

that contract? I would never

43:54

ever in my life again be

43:56

able to speak about all the

43:58

names in it, anyone they've done

44:00

business with or the existence of

44:02

it in general. Do

44:04

you know how problematic that is all

44:06

to what? Get what's

44:08

rightfully mine that was taken from me?

44:12

That makes no f***ing sense. And

44:15

now it's created this huge beef and danity

44:17

cane for those who still care because

44:20

the problem

44:22

with signing that is it's

44:25

not about the money, it's not about the money for anyone

44:27

who's literally $300.14, it's nothing. It's

44:32

about couldn't

44:35

we all ever reserve

44:37

the right for till the end of

44:39

time to potentially have the opportunity to

44:41

come back together and tell our story in

44:44

any type of way. Maybe not everybody

44:46

wants to sing or be on stage again but

44:48

could we ever just come back together and f***

44:50

just hold each other, hug each other. That is

44:52

an experience and a time in our lives that

44:54

no one will ever understand but us five and

44:56

that is not something that I f***ing take lightly.

45:00

And it was a line in the sand for

45:02

me watching certain band

45:05

members sign something that

45:07

basically makes it so not only can we not

45:09

come back together and speak on everything that we

45:11

went through as a team and back each other

45:13

up for whatever moments we were there and saw,

45:15

we can't back each

45:18

other up in anything else ever

45:20

either. And with things

45:22

like this happening, if

45:25

more details were to occur, I

45:27

could ask, thank God my

45:29

roommate for a lot of times was Dee

45:32

Woods and Dee Woods did not sign that

45:34

contract. When

45:36

I'm able to be able to

45:38

have the right setting to sit down with her,

45:40

I'm going to discuss all

45:42

of the details with her because she

45:45

might remember pieces

45:47

of things that more details

45:51

and more information could potentially because if

45:53

I was drugged, I'll never have a

45:55

memory of it. Have

45:57

you ever taken an Ambien? You go to bed.

46:00

don't remember what happens and that's not why even

46:02

what they're giving people you ever take a stand

46:04

next and get drunk? No but

46:06

I'm sure it's probably the same thing. Yeah it's like

46:08

you have this massive period of time in

46:10

your life where you just don't remember anything.

46:13

And no amount of like psychedelic or alternative

46:15

healing is gonna bring a memory back. I've

46:17

done it so I can attest to it

46:20

because I have no recollection of this but

46:23

with more details and my

46:26

bandmates protecting

46:28

me even if any

46:30

of my bandmates if I didn't like

46:32

them if I thought they had poor

46:34

character if they hit me or we

46:37

fought or whatever the

46:39

circumstance may be I wouldn't

46:41

sign that contract for the sole reason

46:43

that I would be wanting to stand

46:46

by them if anything ever

46:48

happened to them and they needed support.

46:50

Just stop the fact that all five

46:52

of us know how fucked up

46:55

everything was not to not everyone

46:58

was treated the same and not

47:00

everyone can attest to all the

47:02

degrees. Yeah that's one thing I want to

47:05

ask is the rest of Dandy Kane

47:08

do they have similar memories as what

47:10

you have do you feel like they have

47:12

the similar level of you know

47:14

this like or disdain for them? Since

47:17

signing the contracts I've only spoken

47:19

on the phone with one of

47:21

my bandmates which is Dee Woods

47:23

and she recalls

47:26

plenty. Really?

47:29

She recalls information

47:32

that I shared with her because

47:34

we were roommates and she saw

47:36

firsthand receipts that

47:38

I have receipts that I

47:40

didn't even remember that I had this she brought

47:43

to my attention and then I got because

47:45

she reminded me hey I also saw

47:47

this do you remember this so she

47:50

was extremely supportive and helpful and

47:52

you know I don't want to

47:54

throw her name out there without

47:56

her being able to speak herself

47:58

because a lot of times Danity

48:00

Kane, you know, I get

48:02

heat for that because I am so vocal

48:04

and blunt and honest and forthright and not

48:06

everybody wants to have their business out there

48:09

like that. So rightfully like, you

48:11

know, I'll end it at that, but Dee has

48:13

her own story and she'll tell it when she

48:15

feels comfortable. But

48:18

it felt so

48:22

good between Dee and

48:24

Praz and a few others

48:26

that really have had my back during this.

48:29

I got really close with Babs from

48:31

the band. I love her like a

48:33

sister. I

48:36

mean, you know, none

48:38

of these people need to be targeted. They're

48:41

good people and they're just

48:44

support. But

48:46

they were supportive and I, you know, I

48:48

don't want to like, I

48:51

don't want anyone to have problems, but I also

48:53

don't want to like miss

48:56

the opportunity to state

48:58

people that like are f***ing

49:01

the s*** really,

49:03

truly. You know, Praz

49:05

explained a lot of things to me on days where

49:07

I was like, you know, every

49:10

time he lost another company and things like

49:12

that started happening, I would say like, you

49:15

know, because I could pull out of the

49:17

movie Cassie's court or her documents were just

49:19

so damning. They were so intense.

49:21

Did you read it? Yeah, a lot of it back

49:23

then. It was horrific. I mean,

49:25

I had to put it down many

49:27

times. Tiffany's read secondhand

49:30

account of very specific

49:32

details of what she

49:34

witnessed cried during it.

49:37

I mean, it's so traumatic to

49:39

even a witness that their whole

49:42

life was shifted. I

49:45

told Praz at certain moments like

49:47

what happened was when Cassie's came

49:49

out, there was a lot of

49:51

people contacting anyone that could be

49:54

potentially in the same shoes. And

49:57

there was a lot of comparisons. comparisons

50:01

being made

50:03

and this

50:07

pales in comparison to this

50:10

being done by all

50:13

the people that run all of the business,

50:15

which I really hate by the

50:18

way because no victim story pales

50:20

in comparison. It's a shitty thing

50:22

to say, feel or ever even

50:24

internalize for anyone. And I'm sad

50:26

that I even had to go

50:28

through that feeling. But

50:30

when I would discuss it with pros, he

50:32

would say to me, let's put aside all

50:34

the receipts and all of this aspect of

50:36

what I now know

50:38

now that we've become intimate and have

50:41

a close relationship. So let's

50:43

put that to the side. You

50:47

at a very young age made

50:49

potentially like 60 plus million off

50:52

of these platinum albums, whatever

50:55

the number is to this man who

50:57

then turned around and to a network

50:59

and everything. I mean,

51:01

we had a hit show on MTV

51:04

for five, six

51:06

seasons. Then he

51:08

turned around and fired you on

51:10

national television for being problematic, bad

51:13

for business, promiscuous was one of

51:15

the words, I

51:18

believe. And and and

51:20

then left you

51:22

out to die, signaled to the world

51:25

that you're bad for business and

51:27

then let you out to die. You

51:30

were fucking violated. Your

51:33

entire trajectory of your life

51:35

now had to

51:37

go a certain way. And it's

51:40

not a way I chose. I

51:43

walked into record labels when I first

51:46

was let out. And there's a whole

51:48

story behind that. You

51:50

think you blackballed you? Oh,

51:54

babe, let me just say this. Um,

51:58

if I were promiscuous, do you think you would have had

52:00

a problem with it? So,

52:03

your refusal to take part in certain

52:05

things. I'm not suggesting anything other

52:07

than what I just said. If

52:10

I were promiscuous as he stated

52:12

is a reason of me being

52:14

this problematic person ready for

52:17

firing, do you think

52:19

he would have had a problem with me being promiscuous?

52:24

The language and the fact that

52:26

it was aired on

52:29

the biggest network at the time to the

52:31

world and then they drug me back and made

52:33

me sit there and face him while he's in

52:35

a towel in his million dollar home in Miami

52:38

with a cocktail in his hand and made me

52:40

sit there and have to literally

52:42

just be like victim

52:44

shamed over and over again with, they know

52:46

this and she knows that and this is

52:48

this and they ain't that and half the

52:50

girls have turned on me and they're going

52:52

to continue on. One of them knows

52:55

the truth and she's going to refuse to go back.

52:57

That one of them at the time was Shannon and

52:59

she did refuse to go back and that made it

53:01

so he couldn't replace me and keep it moving which

53:03

is what he was trying to do until he decided

53:05

to do dirty money and then just act like he

53:08

cared about Danny DeCain in order to transition allegedly. But

53:12

either way, I never

53:15

watched my firing until I got home from

53:17

Bali. I literally watched it on Instagram one

53:19

night, was going through making the band clips.

53:21

I just sat there and I saw this human that

53:23

I don't even know. I

53:26

look at that girl and I just feel so sad

53:28

for her. I'm tough

53:31

now. I don't take anyone's

53:33

shit. I'm hard. I'm hard to love. My

53:36

dick is bigger than any man's I've ever

53:38

dated. I'm taking probs out of that because

53:40

I have so much respect for that man

53:43

but everyone else's dick, my dick is

53:45

bigger. Probs look like he got a big ass. Probs'

53:50

dick is great. I got a radar for this kind of thing.

53:54

For sure. Does Don Jr. have a big dick? No.

53:57

You got SDE. What is that? energy.

54:01

It wasn't small. Really? No,

54:03

the sex was not bad but it's very mental

54:05

with him. Everything's very mental. You know it's funny

54:07

because I'm listening to you talk about Don Jr.

54:09

just to randomly switch this up

54:11

but I was listening to talk about it

54:14

and just thinking like she

54:16

seems pretty cool. She's fly

54:18

as f***. Me? Yeah. Oh thank you.

54:20

Oh you didn't think I thought you were on?

54:22

Are you inviting me or what? Am I

54:24

getting invited into the circle? We

54:27

could talk about that. Hey

54:30

babe I got great news. And

54:34

then I realized that you dated him

54:37

before he became a ridiculous

54:41

right-wing caricature on

54:43

Twitter because to me he's

54:45

just like so detestable. Every time I've seen him

54:47

speak on camera, every time I've read his tweets,

54:50

I almost feel like either I unfollowed him or

54:52

maybe did he stop tweeting because I feel like

54:54

I haven't seen him on that a long time.

54:56

Oh he goes on every now and then he's still just

54:58

as obnoxious. Listen, you

55:01

see my energy, I really you

55:04

know I couldn't be with someone like that.

55:06

I'm as liberal as it gets and I'm a

55:08

f***ing, I'm a bleeding heart liberal and like

55:11

even if when I pay my taxes

55:13

I wished I was more Republican during

55:16

those months. But

55:20

like other than that like on social justice

55:22

issues I just could never be because I

55:25

don't care about money more than I care about

55:27

people's rights and things being fair for everybody. And

55:29

at the end of the day I could have

55:31

never loved and that was

55:34

my one of my soulmates in

55:36

life, the one. No one's

55:38

beat him yet. I think Paz could

55:41

have if we could have

55:43

been able

55:46

to be in these very

55:49

intense heavy situations at the

55:51

same time and open ourselves

55:53

as vulnerable as the other

55:55

was at the same time.

55:58

We just couldn't get it. happen. So

56:01

you're telling me that Don Jr.

56:03

in private is not consumed with

56:06

abortion and trans people. Who

56:08

he is right now, I don't know. I

56:10

mean, I will tell you this, he would

56:12

never... When I saw like, you

56:15

know, I don't think it was gossip.

56:17

It was on a reputable news source,

56:19

but like Washington Post, Bloomberg, somebody posted

56:21

about when... I

56:23

can't never say her last name properly. I'm not really trying

56:25

to throw shade, but I don't care if it comes off

56:27

shady. I'm just going to call it, say, Garfield, because I

56:29

can't... I don't know her last name and I don't care to

56:32

learn it. When he started dating

56:34

Kimberly Garfield and they

56:36

were like throwing their

56:38

relationship everywhere after the wife finally left him

56:40

and did whatever, then I

56:42

was like, I don't believe this

56:44

relationship for a hot second when

56:46

I would watch her in interviews

56:48

because that's just not his type.

56:52

And I know what that man loves because

56:54

he loved me so much. He taught me

56:57

how to love me differently. Really?

57:00

Yeah. Wow. He used the word

57:02

soulmate long before I did. So,

57:06

I watched that relationship play out and then I

57:08

saw these interviews that were talking about, you know,

57:10

she was head of the finite

57:12

funding for the second election or whatever

57:15

and she was doing these alleged hot tub

57:18

parties where she'd get in the hot tub

57:20

with the biggest donors and party

57:22

with them or whatever. And one of

57:24

the donors, I guess, like gave an account of

57:26

one of the nights and it said that she

57:29

was talking about their sex life. I think this

57:31

is all alleged leaks. I can't remember the specifics,

57:33

but something about their sex

57:35

life and he likes her in outfits

57:37

and this cheerleader or this, that and

57:39

the other, Don would never. If

57:42

I ever showed up in an outfit in front

57:44

of him, he would literally make fun of me

57:46

if I ever did something like that. When

57:49

does skin impress me to

57:51

get my dick hard is who I

57:53

dated. I needed

57:55

to intellectually level up

57:58

daily. I

58:00

would wake up an hour before him

58:02

and learn all kinds of random obscure

58:04

things about aspects

58:07

of the world that are just completely devalued

58:10

and not thought of. And I

58:12

would tell it to him and his dick would be hard

58:14

and he would just love me an ounce more. Like

58:17

it was like my mind was advancing so

58:21

fast during that stage because he

58:23

was so impressed with it. He

58:26

wanted to have a baby with me. And I was like you already

58:28

have kids. We're already in

58:30

a mess that we're trying to get out of like

58:32

are you serious? And he was like I want to

58:34

know what I would make with you. I

58:37

want to know what our minds would be in a

58:39

child. And that to

58:41

me was the first time I even thought like oh

58:44

wow having a child is the

58:46

thing and it

58:48

could be a thing I do and I really

58:50

would want to have a child that has his

58:52

brain and my brain together. So

58:55

imagine now the world knows him to be

58:57

what this character is that he's become. Unfortunately

58:59

it seems like we're moving into an

59:01

era where everybody's got to kind

59:04

of be some kind of character. It really

59:06

sucks. I tried to fight it

59:08

every single show I've ever done. I have so

59:10

many production companies that do not want to work

59:12

with me, think I'm difficult and don't want to

59:14

cast me. And every time we get down

59:17

to the why it's as simple as I wasn't doing

59:19

what they told me to do or wanted

59:21

me to do which basically means they

59:23

need brainless talent that don't really have

59:25

stories that will go there and perform

59:28

the story that they need them to

59:30

perform. And

59:32

that means they don't trust that people are

59:34

interesting on their own anymore and they're the

59:36

ones that are deciding what everyone's seeing on

59:38

TV and then people that watch it on

59:40

TV internalize it as real life being projected

59:42

back to them and then they create a

59:45

whole life around it. It's

59:48

horrible. We're

59:51

all literally creating identities off of identities

59:53

off of identities and it's all being

59:55

played God by a bunch of people

59:57

that aren't even interested if you are.

1:00:00

interesting. When

1:00:02

is the last time we've seen a

1:00:04

TikTok about a book? Everyone

1:00:07

on TikTok needs to take a day off and read

1:00:09

one. But I do hear about

1:00:11

book talk. There's a whole

1:00:14

thing. Okay, you walk

1:00:16

in a Barnes and Nobles? There's a Barnes and Nobles

1:00:18

that I go to occasionally and I see this whole

1:00:20

tray of books in the front that says book talk

1:00:23

and I'm like why does this TikTok

1:00:25

not show me any books? Oh, because

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TikTok knows that I like ass and

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like police standoffs and shit, you know?

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shall. I wish that I'd invested the money

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1:00:40

on there? I'm

1:00:43

expressing my sexuality the way I

1:00:45

like to. I'm not here to

1:00:47

leave anybody on left.

1:00:50

Okay. Yeah. Is

1:00:52

there any kind of like actual sexual stuff

1:00:55

going on there? I'm

1:00:57

leaving everybody happy. I'm not

1:00:59

with I've been with

1:01:01

a girlfriend a few times doing

1:01:03

fun stuff, but I've

1:01:06

never like ever been

1:01:08

in a relationship and record like, you

1:01:11

know, you do more like real raw

1:01:13

authentic. This is my wife. This is

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a person we're bringing in. This is

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our sex type of thing. Right. I

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don't do that. I'm not opposed

1:01:21

to it. I just only got

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on Onlyfans just recently. I'm barely,

1:01:26

I'm a baby. What made you want to do that?

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So I called like Carmen Electro when I got

1:01:33

home and I was like wondering where the money

1:01:35

and brand deals were. When I left for Bali,

1:01:37

it was like I had fashion, no deals, pretty

1:01:39

little thing, this, that, and the other. I wore

1:01:42

outfits and could pull a shit ton of money

1:01:44

in in a month and not do anything except

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pictures and photography and building sets and things that

1:01:48

I love. Right. And then

1:01:50

I was like, where did it all go over on TikTok?

1:01:52

I went and looked at this thing called TikTok. There were

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dances. There were people farting

1:01:57

the national anthem. And I was like, I

1:01:59

can't. do this. I can't do it at

1:02:01

all. I physically can't. And

1:02:04

so then I was like figuring out where,

1:02:08

you know, my way into a profession I

1:02:10

really want to be in, developing that, but

1:02:12

what do I do in the meantime? And

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she kind of explained OnlyFans to me in

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a very simple way. I know.

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it for a while. And then I was like

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meeting different girls that are

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on it. And it kind of is like the

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celebrity girls are over here and the OnlyFans girls

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and I'd try to talk to like girls and

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they're all into each other and their things and

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they maybe don't even know who I am or

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not Carmen Electra or me, frankly. There are a

1:02:46

lot of young girls on there that are like

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in the now known or whatever, but they're all

1:02:50

into each other and running to each other. And

1:02:52

I couldn't seem to get anyone to gravitate toward

1:02:55

me and like include me. So

1:02:57

I was like, what, why

1:02:59

am I not like sitting in here? Cause

1:03:01

I want to be cool. So then I

1:03:03

just started to like go to different events

1:03:05

and start to hear what people's content was

1:03:07

and see things that I didn't,

1:03:09

I knew, no, I'm not doing that. I'm not

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I realized OnlyFans isn't in pictures. I

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was doing like 30 picture sets

1:03:19

and whatever. And I was like, screw a

1:03:22

picture don't be scared

1:03:24

anymore. Like you love your body. You

1:03:26

feel good. In the very beginning I

1:03:28

would hide more with outfits. I'm like

1:03:30

fully new dance. I'm like fully new

1:03:33

dancing and stuff now. And, um,

1:03:36

and like I, I had to get my comfort

1:03:38

level and feel good about my body and feel

1:03:40

like, okay, I feel good like showing my body

1:03:42

in this way or that way. And it's progressing

1:03:45

as I go. I mean, when

1:03:47

I decide I want to make content,

1:03:49

I make it. What I love about

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OnlyFans is my entire life. I

1:03:54

have always come last in every business

1:03:56

I've ever been in because let's just

1:03:58

say as an artist. Your

1:04:01

manager, CPA, publicist, record

1:04:03

label, A&R, radio guy,

1:04:05

everybody gets paid before

1:04:07

you do. And

1:04:09

then it's taken out taxes

1:04:11

and then divided on down between five.

1:04:16

You don't see money in any of

1:04:18

the settings, even in regards to TV.

1:04:20

You pay your agent, your manager, your

1:04:22

this, your that. There's everyone

1:04:24

around me was always more important. In

1:04:26

fact, our manager of Danny DeKane at

1:04:29

very, very early ages of my

1:04:31

career pulled me aside and was like,

1:04:34

you know, you're the star. And I'm like, no, I'm

1:04:36

not. We're all the stars. We've all agreed. And he

1:04:38

was like, listen, the audience has decided whether you guys

1:04:40

made an agreement or not. And

1:04:42

so I just want you to know you need to

1:04:44

tighten things up when these like little fights

1:04:47

are going on in between you guys, because

1:04:49

you're the most replaceable piece of this situation.

1:04:52

He told you you were the star and the

1:04:54

most replaceable one. Yes. And

1:04:56

this is what he meant. I asked to

1:04:58

explain and he said the manager,

1:05:01

the CPA, the attorney, because they put

1:05:03

you with each other, the manager, the

1:05:05

CPA, the attorney, the record label, the

1:05:08

all of the heads.

1:05:11

He's like, we're all going to be here for the next

1:05:13

10 girl groups after you. We're going to be running them.

1:05:16

You're the most disposable piece. OK.

1:05:19

So if you guys want to fight and bicker and be

1:05:22

over, then you're going to miss the opportunity.

1:05:24

And all of us are still going to be here.

1:05:26

So you're not doing me any favors. You're

1:05:28

doing yourself a favor by keeping your group

1:05:31

together and by any means necessary. And

1:05:34

I just saw it as a

1:05:36

battle cry, you know, or a,

1:05:39

you know, grooming message, allegedly, potentially

1:05:41

to do what I have

1:05:43

to do to make sure my group stays together. And

1:05:45

maybe if I'm mad at someone, don't really say it

1:05:47

or act like I like somebody when I really don't

1:05:49

or whatever I got to do in order to make

1:05:51

sure that everything stays afloat. But

1:05:54

that really was the truth. And

1:05:56

it's the truth about you, me and

1:05:58

all of us that are in front of the. these cameras.

1:06:00

We are the most disposable piece. They'll put

1:06:02

another outrageous guy that likes ass and titties

1:06:05

and whatever else in your spot tomorrow and

1:06:07

then you'll tap dance for the last little

1:06:09

bit of money you can get. And I've

1:06:12

heard you say like your goal is to make a

1:06:14

certain amount of money by a certain point and retire

1:06:17

and whatever, great. That means you're smart about your business

1:06:19

because if you think this goes on forever you're sadly

1:06:21

mistaken and that's something that the tech talkers don't understand

1:06:23

yet. That's something that that

1:06:25

young generation and OnlyFans doesn't understand yet. I'm

1:06:27

40 so I've got a bit of a vantage

1:06:29

point on that in terms of seeing you know

1:06:32

these 16, 17, 18 year

1:06:34

old kids come out and command you know 50,000 live viewers

1:06:36

at all times on Twitch

1:06:39

as well as you know I'm familiar

1:06:41

with the Swayze and the big boys and

1:06:43

even like the DJ Vlad's and stuff who

1:06:45

are starting to get into their 50s and

1:06:47

I can see how your energy level is

1:06:49

not maybe necessarily going to be the same.

1:06:52

It's not going to be easy for the

1:06:54

18 year old drill route

1:06:56

fans to resonate with you as a 50

1:06:58

year old dude as much. So it's like I'm

1:07:01

very much trying to ride this out

1:07:03

as long as I possibly can but

1:07:05

also totally aware that whatever power I

1:07:07

have to command a large audience right

1:07:10

now is almost certainly going to wear

1:07:12

off as time goes by. Right but you can't

1:07:14

make it any part of your identity or else

1:07:17

when it goes you're going to be left with

1:07:19

only drugs available because when you have money and

1:07:21

there's nothing no lights and cameras

1:07:23

left drugs are always there and they'll make

1:07:25

you forget that no one cares about you

1:07:27

anymore because that's going to hurt if

1:07:29

you've made it your identity. When's the last time you did

1:07:31

drugs? What drug are we talking about?

1:07:33

Bali. I did psychedelics. Oh all that stuff.

1:07:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I never really got into drugs. I've

1:07:38

done drugs but I never really got into them. When

1:07:40

I was in Bali I was

1:07:42

like taught the importance of psychedelics. I

1:07:46

truly did not believe it at all. I

1:07:48

was like no thanks you guys

1:07:50

are just selling drugs. Then

1:07:53

when I actually like and I didn't do

1:07:55

like you know how now people are doing like

1:07:57

shrooming what is it called micro dosing? Right. It

1:08:00

could be a replacement for antidepressants that's more

1:08:02

positive if it is good because antidepressants that

1:08:04

I've ever taken and like were horrible and

1:08:06

I hated it. Horrible experience

1:08:09

with them. That's not everyone's experience though. But

1:08:11

like you know if they're replacing them

1:08:13

in a good way, fine. But if

1:08:15

you do very large doses of it,

1:08:18

you can go into other dimensions and

1:08:20

remember things and you're basically strips you

1:08:22

of your ego. Psychedelics

1:08:24

completely take your ego away and you can

1:08:26

look in the mirror and because all of

1:08:28

my sessions were recorded, I was

1:08:31

with professionals that were guiding me. I

1:08:33

mean it's not like I was recreationally

1:08:36

just popping drugs. I was given drugs.

1:08:38

I was dropped down into them through

1:08:40

cacao ceremonies and breath work and healing,

1:08:42

you know a lot of alternative healing

1:08:45

practices. I was dropped down into

1:08:47

the shrooms so it wasn't like all of a sudden

1:08:49

I was like f***ed up. I

1:08:51

was dropped down in a cozy state and then

1:08:53

I was guided through. I basically had to make

1:08:55

a list of intentions. Because all the things I

1:08:58

think are blocking me in life that were traumatic

1:09:00

that occurred. And then we'd see

1:09:02

what was really sitting there once we got started.

1:09:04

She'd bring up a topic. I thought my mom

1:09:06

was going to be way more

1:09:08

loaded than it really was. I thought a lot

1:09:10

of hateful things were going to come out of

1:09:13

my body and when it came

1:09:15

up, I had it one tear that

1:09:17

ran down my face. I was so outside of my

1:09:19

body that I could see it. I

1:09:21

can still see it. I have a very perfect vision of

1:09:24

it. Once here it came

1:09:26

down my face and I said I feel so

1:09:28

bad that either her or I

1:09:31

will likely die before

1:09:33

we ever got to be great

1:09:35

together. And

1:09:37

that makes me so sad because

1:09:40

I ended up being really great and

1:09:42

I really wish she could see that and

1:09:44

know me like this and not still

1:09:47

understand me in the ways she needs

1:09:49

to understand me in order to process

1:09:52

whatever her behavior was

1:09:54

in childhood. What's her perspective

1:09:56

on you and what's keeping her from accepting

1:09:59

what you're doing? with your life? Oh,

1:10:01

she doesn't not accept what I'm doing with my, I mean, I don't

1:10:03

know if she knows about, I don't think my mom would care about

1:10:05

my family. My mom's sexually roping. Okay. No,

1:10:09

more so, we couldn't ever,

1:10:13

I needed apologies for certain things in my

1:10:15

childhood and she couldn't deliver them because she

1:10:17

didn't see them that way when alcohol's involved,

1:10:19

you don't remember certain things. And

1:10:23

I noticed that I was dating versions

1:10:25

of aspects of my mother or in

1:10:27

business with too. My

1:10:30

mom over and over again, and I was trying

1:10:32

to heal our wounds through all

1:10:34

of those relationships and they weren't healing.

1:10:39

They were just re-traumatizing me every time. So

1:10:41

when I got to Bali, I was like,

1:10:43

this has to stop. I

1:10:45

can't keep re-traumatizing myself. I told my mom, I

1:10:47

really wanna go to therapy and really wanna do

1:10:49

the work with you. I'll even

1:10:51

take you along in this journey in

1:10:54

Bali with me, but you gotta actively

1:10:56

participate. And she just doesn't want to

1:10:58

have to participate. In

1:11:01

making it better, so it's not gonna be better

1:11:03

because I'm not gonna try anymore. Damn,

1:11:06

that's interesting. You gotta tell me where you

1:11:08

went to do this psychedelic retreat in Bali.

1:11:11

It took me, I mean,

1:11:13

and let me say this too, because I'd love

1:11:16

to return to Bali. It allegedly may or may

1:11:18

not have taken place in Bali because of course,

1:11:20

drugs are illegal in Indonesia and you cannot

1:11:23

do them. So allegedly,

1:11:25

maybe I would have gone somewhere else

1:11:27

allegedly, but doing them

1:11:29

and getting to the real healers,

1:11:32

I'm talking real healers, shamans.

1:11:35

And that took over seven

1:11:38

months of being respected by

1:11:41

the right people to get to a real healer because

1:11:43

there's a lot of fake healers there too. Interesting.

1:11:45

Or only fans, girls. It's

1:11:47

a really cheap way of

1:11:50

life and it's untouched land. It is

1:11:52

the most beautiful place on the planet

1:11:54

Earth. Bali is breathtaking.

1:11:57

It is love. It

1:11:59

is joy. It is peace. It

1:12:01

is everything you could ever want in your life.

1:12:03

You should take your wife and your child there

1:12:05

and go have a million more and run around

1:12:07

on a beach and not be bothered by any

1:12:09

of the... I turned my phone off of America.

1:12:11

You can turn your Twitter off of America and

1:12:13

go to another country. So I could

1:12:16

do a psychedelic retreat with my kid? Well

1:12:19

how old's your child? Three. You shouldn't

1:12:21

give a child psychedelics. No, I'm not going to give it

1:12:23

to her but I'm saying like could she be

1:12:25

around or like were you getting so f***ed up

1:12:27

that you couldn't possibly like take care of your

1:12:29

obligations? So this is

1:12:31

unlike anyone else's experience probably that they

1:12:34

will ever tell you but my

1:12:36

personal journey, I had

1:12:38

a woman that built kind

1:12:41

of like a mini Disneyland for me. So

1:12:44

there was an art area. My kid loves Disneyland.

1:12:46

Okay, so then there was an art area where

1:12:49

I could paint if I felt that I needed

1:12:51

to express myself through paint. There

1:12:53

was an area where I could journal if I felt like

1:12:55

journaling. There was an area where there was a camera if

1:12:58

I wanted to sit in front of the camera and talk

1:13:00

to it. There was a mirror that I

1:13:02

could look at myself in if I wanted to look at

1:13:04

myself. There were little furbies. Those are

1:13:06

the ones I remember the most. I have a

1:13:08

lot of it in video too. It's actually an

1:13:10

incredible experience and they were trying to make a

1:13:12

documentary about it and I was like inching my

1:13:14

way to try to get into it but there

1:13:17

are people that feel I'm difficult or this that or

1:13:19

the other and I'm just trying to open my heart

1:13:21

and be like listen, I really

1:13:23

know this world. I should produce this world.

1:13:25

You guys don't even know this world and

1:13:27

you're trying to make it happen on a

1:13:29

TV show. I really know it and I

1:13:32

really know how to teach the youth this

1:13:34

world, the new age this world because the

1:13:36

people that watch cable are soon going to

1:13:38

all be on streaming and the young kids

1:13:41

don't watch that shit. So

1:13:44

like it will die if they don't start

1:13:46

to figure out how to teach the cooler

1:13:48

ideas to the

1:13:51

young kids and alternative healing

1:13:53

is really cool. Breath

1:13:55

work could stop school shootings

1:13:57

if we could just lobby.

1:14:00

and implement it into elementary

1:14:02

schools. If you taught children

1:14:04

just how to breathe when they

1:14:07

feel angry, overwhelmed, pissed

1:14:09

off, unwelcome, unloved,

1:14:11

uncared for, violated, if

1:14:15

they just understood how to do a few

1:14:17

patterns of breath work, they could

1:14:19

completely release themselves from grabbing that

1:14:21

glock with the, what is it

1:14:24

called? Bump stops and shooting up the

1:14:26

school. Yeah, that

1:14:29

was one of my ideas when I came

1:14:31

home. Produce a documentary about alternative healing and

1:14:33

get a bunch of your celebrity friends who

1:14:35

are way too caught up in their egos

1:14:38

to face themselves without their ego. It's a

1:14:40

trip, man. When I learned to not be

1:14:43

Aubrey O'Day, I did not know who the

1:14:45

fuck I was. The day that I realized

1:14:47

my entire personality was based off of trauma

1:14:49

response was crazy. The

1:14:52

entire human Aubrey O'Day that,

1:14:54

I don't even feel like my name is

1:14:56

mine anymore. It's the

1:14:58

world to throw around and make fun of, basically.

1:15:01

So is my body, really, as well. One

1:15:04

of my first viral videos was, I

1:15:06

like got some acid from some dude at the

1:15:08

bar and then the next day, we went on

1:15:11

a hike in the woods and I took the

1:15:13

acid and made a video of myself while I

1:15:15

was tripping and that was like one of the

1:15:17

first big things that I did. What

1:15:20

did you do on the video? I

1:15:22

just stared into space and just talked and like

1:15:24

freaked out. Do you look like Hunter

1:15:26

Biden's laptop leaks? It was not as

1:15:28

crack head-ish, but it was that kind of

1:15:30

thing. Yeah, and sometimes it occurs to me,

1:15:33

I feel like everybody has the psychedelic

1:15:35

part of their life and then they stop at some

1:15:38

point and getting it

1:15:40

from some guy at the bar is

1:15:42

maybe not where my journey should stop.

1:15:44

Maybe I should have the Bally retreat

1:15:46

before hanging out. Have you done

1:15:48

PTSD, Shroom's ayahuasca or DMT? I

1:15:50

mean, I've done Shroom's just getting Shroom's from someone

1:15:52

and just eating a shitload of things and freaking

1:15:55

out. Like 13 grams. Is that like huge? That's

1:15:57

like a lot? Yeah. Yeah, that sounds like a

1:15:59

lot. PTSD shriming, it's a large dose

1:16:01

in a period of time with someone

1:16:04

that's watching over you and gently Guiding

1:16:06

you through PTSD trauma. You're not going to

1:16:09

be able to go that deep on a

1:16:11

couple grams of shrooms You're just gonna like

1:16:14

see a lot of things kind of shifting. Yeah

1:16:17

I've freaked the fuck out of shrooms a few times. Shrooms

1:16:19

are not for everybody I

1:16:22

would I would use those honestly

1:16:24

all of it isn't forever. Iowaska is

1:16:27

an Iowaska requires you to basically Project

1:16:31

up everything inside of you in order for

1:16:33

the actual Next dose to

1:16:35

land in you and for the effect to

1:16:37

occur. So you do a lot of

1:16:39

vomiting really? Yeah, like a day of

1:16:42

it Yeah, it's horrible day. It's

1:16:44

and it's a very slow. It's like

1:16:46

taking a Small sailboat

1:16:48

into the deep end. It's a while till

1:16:50

you get there DMT you jump right into

1:16:53

the deep end It's very

1:16:55

intense and it's very quick Nice

1:16:57

and I gotta ask them maybe me and Joe Rogan

1:16:59

can do some DMT If you go anywhere and

1:17:02

do DMT, please bring me and can we

1:17:04

film it? In fact, let's produce a documentary

1:17:06

or we get our cool friends who do

1:17:09

Psychedelics and not do psychedelics to be assholes

1:17:11

But do psychedelics to try to process some

1:17:13

things that are going on inside of them

1:17:15

that they need to resolve because let's not

1:17:18

act Even at 40 like we don't have

1:17:20

things that we're still battling to get through

1:17:23

We don't all we don't know ourselves at 40 we

1:17:25

don't know ourselves even when we die We've

1:17:28

got a better understanding of everything but wait

1:17:30

till you start guiding your daughter through life

1:17:32

You're about to have a whole lot of

1:17:34

layers added to that I got to witness

1:17:36

a lot of that with Don and wanting

1:17:38

to leave his family But having children and

1:17:41

not being happy where he was at but

1:17:44

being responsible with his children That

1:17:46

is a calling that I have

1:17:48

an eye on I could

1:17:50

only express by watching it firsthand. It was

1:17:53

insane Definitely. I wanted to ask

1:17:55

you about this. Yeah My

1:17:57

publicist sent me some notes for this and he just

1:17:59

wrote She says that there's a

1:18:01

lot of gay rappers who abuse women. Gay

1:18:04

rappers? Yeah. No,

1:18:08

gay rappers that abuse women? First

1:18:10

of all, I don't know who's gay

1:18:12

or who's not, and that's one thing to let

1:18:14

me be very clear about. Even

1:18:17

with the Diddy thing, you know the rumors in

1:18:19

the streets have gone on for years about who's

1:18:21

gay or who's not or whatever. There

1:18:23

is absolutely nothing wrong with being

1:18:25

gay. Being

1:18:27

gay or enjoying having sex with

1:18:30

men is absolutely fine. If

1:18:33

that is all Diddy or any other rapper

1:18:35

we're doing, then that's fine. But there is

1:18:37

something wrong with being a secret gay, right?

1:18:40

No. Well, not wrong, but it's kind of... If you don't

1:18:42

want to express to the world that you're gay,

1:18:44

that's your own identity to

1:18:47

express. That's not for anyone else. I

1:18:51

don't know where that sentence came from. I

1:18:54

don't touch that with the football. But

1:18:56

I will say, it's not being...

1:18:59

If they're closeted or not, it's not anything

1:19:01

about being gay. It's

1:19:03

about who are you abusing?

1:19:07

Are you abusing men and women? If you're having

1:19:09

consensual sex with men and women, then that's just

1:19:11

who you are. And if you don't want to

1:19:13

admit it to people and you're lying or whatever,

1:19:16

that's on you. If it comes out,

1:19:18

then you made mistakes and should have been tighter with it.

1:19:20

I only care about are you abusing people?

1:19:23

Did you abuse a man? Did you abuse a

1:19:25

woman? Did you violate a

1:19:27

woman or a man? That is a

1:19:30

very problematic situation. Anything

1:19:33

else? I personally think we should

1:19:35

stop gossiping about who in rap music is

1:19:37

gay. Yes, at that time, and

1:19:40

even in times before me, biggie

1:19:42

days, I don't think a

1:19:44

gay rapper could have come up. Now

1:19:46

we have two white boys with Wiki

1:19:48

braids singing island boys that are charting

1:19:51

number one on music

1:19:53

charts. They charted number one. They

1:19:55

made a lot of money and now they're kissing

1:19:57

each other and saying they're gay. To

1:19:59

me. I love that you're using

1:20:01

the island boys instead of little Nas X

1:20:03

as the reference point here Well, no,

1:20:05

but because they're also misappropriating a

1:20:07

culture because they're not gay. I

1:20:10

don't know what they are I've never met them. I don't

1:20:12

care to meet them. It's not something I care to understand

1:20:14

They're just trying to make money on OnlyFans I'm pretty sure

1:20:16

but what I'm saying is we live in a

1:20:18

world where that actually made a music chart and

1:20:20

that actually is a song That everybody can sing

1:20:23

the island boys thing, you know the song we all

1:20:25

know the damn fucking song And back

1:20:27

in that day that would have never flown

1:20:30

That would have never happened back in the day

1:20:32

that would have never been okay And you know

1:20:34

it and I know it and anyone that was

1:20:36

back in the day even during my time You

1:20:38

would never have been able to been gay

1:20:41

and been taken seriously as an urban rap

1:20:43

artist There's a difference between being gay and

1:20:45

being gay with your own twin brother I

1:20:48

mean, I don't want to touch on them. They're ridiculous to me

1:20:50

But but I think you know It's

1:20:53

great that I guess we can you

1:20:55

can be gay and be a rapper

1:20:57

and do whatever they're doing as well

1:20:59

Whatever, but that's not the environment that

1:21:01

a lot of rappers Were

1:21:04

raised in back in the day and maybe

1:21:07

if they did like guys or did want

1:21:09

to be with guys they couldn't be because

1:21:12

they wouldn't be able to have their careers

1:21:14

and still be taken seriously because at that

1:21:16

time that was just not being done

1:21:18

and A lot of it has to do

1:21:20

with church and does the Bible

1:21:22

accept gays and all of that kind

1:21:24

of stuff plays into it I think

1:21:27

but but but on down the line I guess now

1:21:29

we are in a society where you can be gay

1:21:32

and be a big rapper and I don't know maybe

1:21:34

kiss your Brother who knows what's going on right now?

1:21:36

I still feel like we're kind of struggling to see

1:21:38

like Little

1:21:41

najas done. I think he is Such

1:21:44

a creative genius. His art is

1:21:46

flawless. He put sex on display

1:21:49

and such a Raw

1:21:51

beautiful I got turned on

1:21:53

really? Yeah. I like watching

1:21:55

guys Yeah,

1:21:58

I could watch guys watched even like

1:22:02

I've watched trans girls I've

1:22:04

watched everybody I think

1:22:06

it's fun I was watching a porno the other day and

1:22:09

this like super hot girl I

1:22:11

was like I damn I wish I looked like

1:22:13

her she was getting railed from behind on the

1:22:15

kitchen sink he was going to town and then

1:22:17

she turned around and she had a big old

1:22:19

dick and I was like wait should I turn

1:22:21

this off I shouldn't be watching this and then

1:22:23

I stopped it for a sec I was like

1:22:26

in the middle my vibrator was hot I was

1:22:28

ready to go time and I was like wait

1:22:30

uh-uh and then I was like why though Aubrey

1:22:32

T like don't you don't

1:22:34

be judgmental like that you're you need

1:22:36

to grow with the times I literally

1:22:39

forced my mind back into my orgasm

1:22:41

from watching that really so yeah like

1:22:43

I mean am I going to like

1:22:46

you know transition or anything no I'm fine

1:22:48

with who I am but like I actually

1:22:50

enjoyed watching the sex that's happened to me a

1:22:52

few times and I really in that moment felt

1:22:54

like I should be able to sue Pornhub oh

1:22:57

where they turned around and there was a big dick she

1:22:59

had a bigger than the guy fucking her and not only

1:23:01

did I have a moment where is

1:23:03

this right wait it's kind of hot then I

1:23:05

had a moment where I was like I love

1:23:07

that the female ended up having the bigger dick

1:23:09

this shit is female empowerment yes it

1:23:12

was so good I had all of it

1:23:14

in one come it was like the hottest

1:23:16

shit so let me ask you this I

1:23:18

just interviewed this dude and he had

1:23:20

an epic quote about to come out so the

1:23:22

people probably seen it by now but his quote

1:23:24

was I'm

1:23:27

not gay just because I like

1:23:29

to suck my girlfriend because he

1:23:31

had a trans girlfriend it

1:23:34

doesn't make you gay if you suck your girlfriend

1:23:36

here's the thing why I don't

1:23:38

know why all the titles well

1:23:41

he had been like basically

1:23:43

ex-communicate father just over a title

1:23:45

can't we just change the title what if we're even

1:23:47

this is this is for how I feel about where

1:23:50

that's from a biker gang so he like really didn't

1:23:52

want his son to be gay yes I get

1:23:54

it listen this is my thought on words and I had

1:23:56

it in Bali while I was on my psychedelics I

1:23:58

started to get to a point where I wouldn't

1:24:01

speak certain words because I felt I was

1:24:03

manifesting things in my life. I know a

1:24:05

lot of people that are still at that

1:24:07

level. That's a level. Congratulations. I got to

1:24:09

a cooler one. And that level looks

1:24:11

like this. Break down everything

1:24:14

to its origin. Where did words

1:24:16

really come from? What were words

1:24:18

before words? Hieroglyphics, etches and

1:24:20

some stone. What did the etchings look

1:24:22

like? You go there and get

1:24:24

an ox and kill it so we can eat.

1:24:26

And you go there and fuck the woman so

1:24:28

we can reproduce and get more people here. And

1:24:31

that's as simple as it got, right?

1:24:34

So words are

1:24:36

manmade. Who decided what

1:24:38

gay means? Who decided what slurs

1:24:40

mean? Who decides to put emphasis

1:24:43

into what words? And we're all

1:24:45

so particular about words nowadays in

1:24:47

this society. But we're not even

1:24:49

at a level where we're understanding

1:24:51

who decided what these words all

1:24:53

mean. I'm not deciding

1:24:56

that words mean certain things for me. I'm not

1:24:59

deciding one word is good and one word

1:25:01

is bad. I mean, of course, I will

1:25:03

socially be responsible with my words. But

1:25:06

because there's a whole society that isn't on

1:25:08

that level yet. But words

1:25:10

are manmade. The Bible

1:25:12

is manmade. Oh, I agree with

1:25:14

that. Everything that we're reading is

1:25:16

manmade. Somebody decided it to be

1:25:19

so I have a problem because

1:25:21

I have questions. Who is the

1:25:23

somebody? What was their experience

1:25:25

in life? What color are they? What

1:25:27

is their experience? What gender are they?

1:25:30

I want to have a full blown

1:25:32

background check on whoever made up what

1:25:34

words are and mean. That's

1:25:37

real. Have you

1:25:39

I understand that you heard Donald Trump

1:25:41

say some racist shit behind the scenes.

1:25:46

I mean, really, Adam, he says racist shit

1:25:48

in front of the scene. Not that

1:25:50

racist. You know, he says racist shit in front of the scenes all

1:25:52

the time. OK. Have you ever heard that? Near came down

1:25:54

and said he's going to put a border up. OK.

1:25:58

Well, I'm behind that I

1:26:00

mean, he's been racially inappropriate. You've seen what's going

1:26:02

on down there. There's a lot of trouble. Adam,

1:26:05

are you serious right now? I think that

1:26:07

the wall was always a pretty solid idea. I

1:26:10

can't get on that with you. I can't go

1:26:13

on that train with you. I mean, there's a very big crisis

1:26:15

at the border right now. I think that

1:26:17

you can discuss the

1:26:19

crisis at the border

1:26:21

without using divisive language

1:26:24

and slogans

1:26:27

that disclude races

1:26:29

from feeling welcome in America, just

1:26:31

like he called COVID the Chinese

1:26:33

flu or the China flu, which

1:26:35

then offended a lot of people

1:26:37

culturally and probably made a lot

1:26:39

of people feel unwelcome in this

1:26:41

country since the president was titling

1:26:44

it in a way that was

1:26:46

very thoughtless. But

1:26:48

it seems it may have emerged from a

1:26:50

lab in China. So

1:26:52

if they invented it, I think we got to give them credit.

1:26:57

No one Chinese in this country

1:26:59

had anything to do with COVID

1:27:01

spreading across the world. And no

1:27:03

one Chinese in this country should

1:27:05

feel like the president who is

1:27:07

the face of our country is

1:27:10

basically putting some blame

1:27:13

with his wording. He's a

1:27:15

bombastic communicator. Like

1:27:17

Kanye almost. But Kanye is

1:27:20

a genius, a musical genius. But

1:27:22

let me not make the comparison. Actually, that

1:27:24

was not a good comparison. But he doesn't

1:27:27

use his words as effectively as he

1:27:29

could. And I don't even honestly think

1:27:31

that he's that hateful as he comes

1:27:33

across. I think he just does whatever

1:27:35

is good for the green. You

1:27:37

were on set at the apprentice, though. Did you ever hear him use

1:27:39

the N word? No,

1:27:42

but he did. From

1:27:45

what I remember, allegedly, when there

1:27:47

was like an off moment, he

1:27:50

was saying something about why don't blacks

1:27:52

love me? I love blacks.

1:27:54

They should love me. You're one. I have blacks.

1:27:57

You're one of my blacks, right, Arsenio? He's.

1:28:00

said some shit that was hella out of

1:28:02

pocket. I'm white and I can't speak on

1:28:04

what it would be to experience that as

1:28:06

a black person in that room, but it

1:28:08

felt really fucking off in my soul. It's

1:28:11

that real sideways in my soul. And I've

1:28:13

looked at our scenario like, I don't know

1:28:15

if he was going to punch him or

1:28:17

if he was going to just continue on

1:28:19

with the filming, but I

1:28:22

don't think anyone should say to somebody else, you're

1:28:24

one of my blacks. That doesn't sound right to

1:28:26

me at all. Did you remember the clip

1:28:28

where he said, that's my African American over there.

1:28:31

No, he actually said that. Okay. Well

1:28:33

then there you go. It's more funny than

1:28:35

offensive. It occurs to me

1:28:37

that Trump is almost like a, like a

1:28:39

prison dude. Cause like we just had a

1:28:41

Mexican rapper named Lefty Gunplay on here and

1:28:43

he talks about the black, Lefty gunplay. You

1:28:45

should check them out. I thought we weren't allowed

1:28:47

to have guns here. He has to leave the

1:28:49

living in the car, but uh, allegedly I have no idea.

1:28:51

But he talks about

1:28:54

the blacks a lot because he's coming from

1:28:57

prison. He's a Mexican. So they just talk

1:28:59

about the blacks, the blacks, the blacks, the

1:29:01

blacks, the whites, the blacks, the Mexicans. Oh,

1:29:04

like they're divided by race is what you're

1:29:06

saying. I'm just saying Trump could potentially

1:29:09

get by on that. Well, he could

1:29:11

also potentially be going to prison. So it's

1:29:13

good that he understands the lingo. I

1:29:15

don't think he's going to prison even if he gets convicted. He won't go

1:29:17

to an official prison, but there'll be

1:29:19

an ankle monitor and a never

1:29:22

ending stay at Mar-a-Lago or someplace

1:29:24

like it. Right. Unfortunately, Jill doesn't

1:29:26

look the same for someone that

1:29:28

big, but he's got 91 indictments.

1:29:31

I think now. Yeah. I wonder if

1:29:33

they'll let him walk the yard. We'll probably stick

1:29:35

him in. I don't think he wants to walk the

1:29:37

yard, babe. If you've seen him, I don't think he's a walker.

1:29:40

I feel like the prison population

1:29:42

probably like largely supports Trump. Really?

1:29:46

Yeah. Can I tell you when

1:29:48

I went to Bali, they support him there too. And I

1:29:51

first argued with like the first four or five

1:29:53

people that tried taking up for him. And then I

1:29:55

was like, okay, this is something I'm not going to

1:29:57

be able to do while living here. So I'm just

1:29:59

going to let it go. We barely talk

1:30:01

about politics or Trump, so I'm going to

1:30:03

just let it slide. But because people go

1:30:05

to Bali because they want to distance themselves

1:30:07

from their country or things that occurred or

1:30:10

they come for healing to get away from

1:30:12

wherever they were, it's a place where you

1:30:14

go to seek a new life and a

1:30:16

better life. So you see a lot of

1:30:18

people that are rebelling against the system that

1:30:20

live there. And that's kind of his brand. And

1:30:22

that's his brand. And so they don't live in

1:30:24

America. They weren't Americans that loved him. But people

1:30:26

from all around the world would take up for

1:30:28

him in Bali. And I would literally be like,

1:30:31

I'm the only American sitting here. That man is

1:30:33

trash, so I'm in the garbage. No. Yeah,

1:30:36

I can see that. I understand you

1:30:38

know that that is a lot

1:30:41

for me to say because I

1:30:43

fully also can say his son

1:30:45

was my soulmate then. And up

1:30:48

till now, I had a

1:30:50

love with him that I've never repeated with

1:30:52

anyone else. But you also seem

1:30:54

to make it clear that you think

1:30:56

that his dad's presidency essentially kind of

1:30:58

like ruined him or how he responded

1:31:00

to his dad's presidency by sort of

1:31:02

becoming this... I think that

1:31:04

every single one of us that are in this

1:31:06

industry are opportunists and he got the opportunity of

1:31:09

a lifetime. And he took it and I probably

1:31:11

would have too. So it doesn't make

1:31:13

me hate him. But I do

1:31:15

always want to be a constant

1:31:18

reminder that I'm still

1:31:20

here. I'm still talking. I'm still being

1:31:22

authentic and doing me. And I didn't

1:31:24

have to sell out in any bullshit.

1:31:26

I'm not having to lie. Come to

1:31:28

an interview about OnlyFans and lie about

1:31:31

my old boss or anything that I'm going

1:31:34

through. It's emotional. It's hard. It's rough. I

1:31:36

dated a guy. It didn't work. I still

1:31:38

love him. I never loved

1:31:40

anyone the way I love Don Jr. I'm

1:31:42

telling you a lot of difficult things that

1:31:45

don't have pretty endings and nice bows to

1:31:47

wrap up on. But I certainly

1:31:49

don't have to Kimberly Garfield and act like

1:31:51

I hate a bunch of people that I

1:31:54

don't. I don't know

1:31:56

who's worse off. I think him. But who knows. What

1:31:58

kind of guy would you see yourself? ending

1:32:00

up with because there is this

1:32:03

weird strain between a lot of

1:32:05

the guys that you've been connected

1:32:07

with where they're like mega famous

1:32:09

slash rich slash powerful slash embroiled

1:32:11

in various legal problems yeah

1:32:15

you know it's interesting I was like trying to think

1:32:17

if I like fell for prods before

1:32:20

knowing the full extent of all of

1:32:22

it I think probably not but um

1:32:27

prods taught me something that I think

1:32:29

is ringing true to

1:32:31

me turning 40 and wanting a nice

1:32:33

summary for 40 and single unless

1:32:37

he doesn't go to prison and then I very

1:32:39

much would like to pick that back up

1:32:41

so you're just kind of waiting to find

1:32:43

out you wouldn't hold them down for 10

1:32:45

years while he was in the feds I

1:32:47

would yeah really yeah we discussed it real

1:32:49

one yeah we discussed it

1:32:52

we couldn't get through discussing it

1:32:54

because he doesn't like to

1:32:56

use words that he doesn't want to manifest

1:32:58

and for me I can't be in that

1:33:00

world anymore I gotta live in reality where

1:33:02

the real world's word words are

1:33:04

real we've got to talk

1:33:07

about what it looks like if something were

1:33:09

to occur all all occurrences so are

1:33:11

you guys an item right now or did you put

1:33:13

it to the side while he figures out what his

1:33:15

future is gonna be with this well in this interview comes

1:33:17

out of 50 girls come out and say if your man and then

1:33:20

want to come hit your podcast because we all know you've had girls

1:33:22

on there my man we don't

1:33:24

do a lot of that anymore oh yeah back in the day

1:33:26

you go talk to sharp you

1:33:29

were the girls you had on back in the day definitely

1:33:31

my man but but like or one of

1:33:33

my men gross the worst one which one

1:33:36

Paulie oh Polly D yeah what Selena Powell

1:33:38

was talking about him yeah Selena Powell was

1:33:40

an issue and there were many others I love

1:33:43

that Polly D is part of the story as

1:33:45

well he's the worst part of

1:33:47

the story headlines like

1:33:49

Polly D is like the most paid in

1:33:51

America yeah and don't get me started we

1:33:53

would just be like what that that's a

1:33:56

that's a sad day for all DJs out there

1:33:58

they're real DJs let me tell you that eats

1:34:00

at them nine day. Diplo's rolling around

1:34:02

in his grave. No,

1:34:05

Diplo doesn't have a grave. Did he settle out that case? Oh

1:34:07

right, he's alive. Shout

1:34:09

out Diplo. I understand you have

1:34:12

some pretty strong opinions about Blueface and

1:34:15

Cachon. No, I really

1:34:17

don't. I literally have posted like one of

1:34:19

the... What's the other girl involved? Jaden. Yeah,

1:34:21

I literally posted her song on one of my

1:34:24

pictures the other day just laughing. It was horrible.

1:34:26

Great song. It was not great. Well, you know

1:34:28

what my censored version of it is? You know

1:34:31

how she says? It plays with me right now and

1:34:33

then I want you to look in my eyes and tell me

1:34:35

it's great and then I'll have to end the interview because I

1:34:37

won't be able to take you seriously anymore. Okay,

1:34:39

we play this song around my kid

1:34:41

but then we have to like... Why

1:34:43

in the world would you ever do that?

1:34:45

Have you heard of Stevie Wonder? Not as

1:34:48

much but... Okay, well that's

1:34:50

not my problem. That's a

1:34:52

good song. What were the

1:34:55

words? Oh, so you know how she keeps saying mother... Well,

1:34:58

in Rapunzel, the

1:35:00

woman who imprisons Rapunzel

1:35:03

inside the tower is Mother

1:35:05

Gothel and my

1:35:08

kid is really into Mother Gothel. So I've

1:35:10

replaced Mother... with Mother Gothel and

1:35:13

it works. I feel like you sing it over it

1:35:15

so that she won't hear the F word. And

1:35:18

this is why I'm scared of Hinge and having

1:35:20

a child with any mail out in America today.

1:35:22

Because we might censor Jaden Alexa's

1:35:24

songs. Because

1:35:26

you might want to play it in front of my child.

1:35:28

My child will not be listening to that. My child will

1:35:30

be listening to Stevie Wonder. My kid listens

1:35:33

to all kinds of classics but... Okay, good. Keep

1:35:35

them there. Right. You remember when they

1:35:37

used to like play opera? My mom

1:35:39

used to... my mom is more diverse.

1:35:42

She would play me the

1:35:44

biggest song in every different country around

1:35:46

the world before dinner. So

1:35:49

I was like well versed. And before I traveled

1:35:51

around the world and was working for charities in

1:35:53

Africa and India and every other place, I knew

1:35:56

a lot of... like I knew Zap Mama, which is

1:35:58

a really great band by the way she... get into

1:36:00

them arrested development I learned it like very

1:36:02

young ages through my mom I think probably

1:36:05

got into hip-hop through arrested development and some

1:36:07

kind of lane that took me on but

1:36:09

like I literally big song

1:36:11

they should be all over the radio arrested development they

1:36:13

have tons of big songs Tennessee

1:36:16

Tennessee was really big now now

1:36:18

quite play Tennessee right now against

1:36:20

that was it mother mother

1:36:23

well I can't but

1:36:25

I can he was I just taught my kid about

1:36:27

this the other day yeah

1:36:34

like I keep it playing let

1:36:36

me have that actually was good I'm here where

1:36:38

it dropped yeah it's like everybody dance now it's

1:36:41

that like remember that song everybody didn't know it's

1:36:43

like 90 it's like 90s

1:36:45

retro pop type I got it we have to

1:36:47

my kids so much and then I sat her down in front

1:36:49

of the TV and played scat man and she was just staring

1:36:51

at it and I'm looking at me just like what the like

1:36:54

you want to know why that song

1:36:56

vibrates has Kanye talks about this often

1:36:59

you want to make music that vibrates on

1:37:01

all different frequencies of your body that Jaden

1:37:04

song has like maybe two frequencies I heard

1:37:06

in it there's like a bass and a

1:37:08

low bass and she's not giving a vocal

1:37:10

or any type of like movement in her

1:37:13

her vocal performance and rapping or whatever she does

1:37:15

that that song

1:37:17

you just played it's jumping all over vibrations

1:37:20

could you feel it jumping vibrating throughout your

1:37:22

body a really classic

1:37:24

epic song will make you vibrate from head

1:37:26

to toe that's how you know you have

1:37:28

a hit that's how you know you're listening

1:37:31

to something that is all-encompassing

1:37:33

that's what's so problematic with

1:37:35

this music aside from the

1:37:37

fact that they're manufacturing drama

1:37:39

for this big circus performance

1:37:41

that they title a circus

1:37:43

and they're involving this whole generation in

1:37:46

this whole era of drama and I

1:37:48

think all of them could offer so

1:37:50

much more if they just tried a

1:37:53

little harder to be interesting

1:37:55

instead of faking drama that in will

1:37:57

end up getting you into legal trouble

1:38:00

which hasn't it gotten him into legal trouble? Yeah,

1:38:02

but also like shooting people is part of

1:38:04

what's gotten him into legal trouble. I

1:38:06

honestly like, I know Blueface pretty well.

1:38:08

I've known him since before he was famous.

1:38:12

I don't see him faking a lot of

1:38:14

stuff. Well, I don't know

1:38:16

what's fake or not. All I've seen

1:38:18

in headlines is he's created a circus

1:38:20

and everybody's going to watch and he's

1:38:22

controlling everybody with his fingertips, like type

1:38:24

of wording. Yeah. Don't

1:38:26

you think that's a bit silly? I mean,

1:38:29

Jayden is like a pretty normal girl

1:38:31

who's been like holding him down throughout

1:38:33

all the craziness. The girlfriend, I don't

1:38:35

know anything about her than I saw a video of her

1:38:37

beating somebody up like horribly in a

1:38:40

very really,

1:38:42

really aggressive way. Jayden?

1:38:45

Yeah. Who's going to beat up?

1:38:47

Good for her. There was a video of him

1:38:49

at a club and maybe somebody threw like some

1:38:52

ice or water up in the air and then

1:38:54

she like started to be, Blueface pulled the fan

1:38:56

up on the stage and then tossed them over

1:38:58

to her to beat up. Oh, really? It went

1:39:00

viral. Why are we wasting our

1:39:02

brain cells talking about this? I'm like absolutely

1:39:04

about to like feel over. It's

1:39:07

the future. You don't listen to any

1:39:09

drill music? It really is the future. I

1:39:11

just, I really hate that for music. If

1:39:13

you've ever been in a studio with Timbaland

1:39:16

and watched him on a four wheeled chair,

1:39:18

scroll back and forth with 80 different sets

1:39:20

of drum, Tycho drums and making

1:39:23

samples so he could later use them

1:39:25

in songs. If you watch that for

1:39:28

40 minutes, you could, you'd never talk

1:39:30

about Blueface, Jayden and the other ones,

1:39:32

drama again. It's just

1:39:34

all consuming this young generation and I

1:39:36

wish that we got back more to

1:39:38

the talent reasons of

1:39:41

why we are fans of

1:39:43

people because I think the

1:39:45

majority of the fans can't

1:39:48

really explain why the music is great. They

1:39:50

just love all the drama and I don't

1:39:52

love things that play into the drama because

1:39:55

I think we need less of it. Things

1:39:57

in real life are dramatic enough. I

1:40:00

don't need to create any narratives that Jane Alexa

1:40:02

song though. I just got to keep it real

1:40:04

with you. That song is a hit. Did

1:40:07

she go into bed with you and your wife? Is that why you're defending her?

1:40:09

I would never. The only man she's ever slept