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oh weirdly fun weekend of golf

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ah it was i'm not gonna lie it was looking

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pretty bleak as a saturday afternoon

3:31

sit down to watch really what bespoke be

3:33

the the first home field

3:36

advantage since the pj tour and

3:38

live tour fractured golf and

3:40

man it was a jj spawn fast as a saturday

3:43

afternoon and i think the tour

3:45

somehow managed to avoid all of

3:47

the land mines the roman top of that leaderboard

3:49

and got the winter that they would want out of today will dot

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or i was thinking at one point like a tray merit

3:54

was up there as harm in that

3:56

like how much are they going to pay to a more next

3:58

summer so they going to pay these guys

4:00

the take it dies here tray bahasa ethics

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troy muslims in try mode acts were good

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again

4:06

it will get we're going to good trade more next

4:09

related roy said so much rice

4:11

were going to get the dust up forever avoid

4:14

thrive on a specific

4:16

i don't really know where to start other than

4:19

you will sell tauruses iron

4:21

play is i mean he found

4:23

the slot i don't know exactly when it was and

4:26

is just absolutely relentless he was never going to

4:28

hit an iron offline the only suspense really came

4:30

from whether or not he was gonna hit the fairway with

4:32

whatever he was using off the t did not do a lot

4:34

of that on the sunday biggest the iron

4:37

play is it was a total he was flashing

4:39

everywhere i mean the wedges the distance

4:41

control going after pins that he

4:43

probably had no business going after ah

4:46

in in all ended very very weird but the point

4:48

to get it there was just some tremendous tremendous

4:50

golf and friday

4:52

he said in recent

4:54

like either this weaker in previous week

4:56

that thursday's have been an issue for

4:58

him shut seventy one one over

5:01

on thursday it looked like those can be the case again this

5:03

week the sixty three

5:05

on friday sixty five sixty

5:07

six on the weekends i don't you

5:09

he gets he i'll on eighteen

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why why are you say that there is a property boundary

5:14

he hits a hero aside because where

5:16

he was gonna hit it up by the green i thought for sure

5:18

that there's in of the hospitality gatos

5:20

in upon that line ah

5:22

it but turn off he didn't so

5:24

no harm no foul i want nothing to do

5:27

with eighteen that southwind that that he shot

5:29

the big whole concept of that whole you can't

5:31

just pound driver and and eliminate

5:33

the trouble you gotta hit the driver the right distance

5:36

i want absolutely nothing to do with at all which

5:38

eighteenth hole between south wind and tpc

5:40

sawgrass would you think is more intimidating i would think

5:42

itself when because it's the angles

5:44

sharper and you can't cut it off whereas it at sawgrass

5:47

you can take a line and try to cut off more of it

5:49

plus there's bunkers on the also the

5:51

dog itself isn't yeah in

5:53

the him seemingly longer like i want nothing

5:55

to do southwind it also general

5:58

but like all saga nor cold i've only got

5:59

so fucking art in there's

6:02

water everywhere if you're not the fairway you

6:04

like you're you're running the risk going in the water

6:06

on your on your approach shot

6:08

the greens your tiny bermuda grass

6:11

tufted chip off of everywhere like i

6:13

it mirrors is watching that place

6:16

i was so can you guys i think if you want to identify

6:18

a true fedexcup champion you you move

6:21

the torch a bit of you whittle it down to the last

6:23

a guys that you make them play eighteen it

6:25

southwind seventy two times in a row and

6:28

cumulative store you know who is

6:30

the the biggest declare left left

6:32

in the field who who does it go insane maintain

6:35

their sanity a big that's how you crowd the champion going

6:37

forward i do have a question as it

6:39

relates to sell tourists he drains a ten foot

6:41

putt in the center of the cop on the seventy second

6:43

hole and screams what are they gonna say

6:45

now

6:46

i just wonder who that was directed at right

6:49

promise me i

6:51

think think dearly love this point is still

6:53

i still get uncomfortable watson and puppet he

6:56

fucking poor shooting from outside of like eight

6:58

ten feet and putting in

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from inside of eight feet this week

7:02

to so i'm assuming that sydney

7:05

but like idol it's not like ushered out the

7:07

guys just a matter of like he's

7:09

it just doesn't look good the are marked take

7:11

a lot of the nerves

7:13

the doctor to say like what hey man like

7:16

first of all i i there's been a groundswell

7:18

of support for you in pursuit of your

7:20

first when i think for the majority

7:22

i feel like a lot of people are like yeah it's just a matter of time

7:24

he really is that good i don't think there's really been much of a

7:26

knock on him for not winning at all

7:29

and uh i dunno you gotta use internal weird

7:31

stuff to motivate you anyways but i just

7:33

found that funny that he was somebody tweeted that he

7:35

had that saved in his drafts and i couldn't get

7:37

that image of and i and

7:39

i that's a good point it's a big week for false flag

7:42

a it reminded me of another guy that you

7:44

know i've always supported you know just kind of said

7:47

just stay patient the windsor going to come big oh

7:49

god i knew that was no

7:51

i i think a know i'm i'm

7:53

very much with you i don't really know who was i

7:56

don't really know who was was knocking [unk] torres

7:58

is some sort of choker or something like the

8:01

at i don't know there's there's almost like this

8:03

weird counter narrative building now that like

8:05

he's a good putter like they they talked

8:07

so much about the bad putting that no no no is actually

8:09

like

8:10

he's not good knocking like

8:12

solo at letting go of undergo afraid not

8:15

like catastrophic he's outside the top

8:17

like hundred and almost every

8:19

you he falcons thinks he's better

8:21

than than zero strokes gain for

8:23

the season but the

8:25

year over on twenty two it for trying to i tell ya

8:28

over opening yes that like

8:30

the and i think it's speed controls great is like

8:32

putting awesome we saw lot of that like on display

8:34

but do that it's not like

8:36

some made up fake narrative

8:38

like the the mid range stuff is is mucho

8:41

knock it and it was great today so it

8:43

was awesome see him foot that today

8:45

was that was fun to what is it a midrange

8:47

stuff and see soon short stuff to see was

8:49

like it them mid range shorty railway

8:52

florida a cf the number but

8:54

like at i think of a lot of that was

8:56

really bad at i i i keep making

8:58

this point i swear to god is freed up with his

9:00

or a stroke whatever he found a

9:02

stroke that worked for him and those

9:04

putts go and do they look pretty know is the

9:07

it is a fascinating band

9:09

aid of a chuck knoblauch situation that he has

9:11

going on but those balls are going in the whole now

9:13

i mean there's there's the videos other of the really

9:15

really short ones the

9:18

minister barely went in and those are the ones that

9:20

are kind of trap to the front of mine but did he ever

9:23

miss any one of those was really really important

9:25

it seems like anytime he has a

9:28

significant part late in the tournament no matter

9:30

the linked it's either going and are scaring the whole

9:32

mean the woman he missed on eighteen a brookline

9:35

look like a good governance and same price and

9:37

i know that a little bit longer but according

9:40

to could put their to write something

9:42

i mean it's it seems like whenever it's late

9:44

in the tournament on sunday this is

9:46

not putting and necessarily with a liability

9:49

although it's i mean obviously every shot counts earlier

9:51

and we can have to be what comes back to ottawa

9:53

he makes a difference but our the shortest

9:56

don't seem to be much more prominent any it could

9:58

be a more cows situation

9:59

if you look at the his putting stats from the

10:02

majors like he was almost two strokes

10:04

gains in the us open this year which he almost

10:06

one almost a shot in a hamster

10:08

again putting at the masters this year like it might

10:10

just be like a little bit of a pc

10:12

a tour fast greens kind of thing that

10:14

just doesn't really suit

10:16

his i in the it's not going to be a consistent thing

10:19

week to week but if you do go week to week it's

10:21

it's a bunch of negative weeks in their only one

10:23

really bad when the byron nelson we missed

10:25

the cut and then scars of them was pretty bad

10:28

too but the rest are just hovering around neutral

10:30

and do with that ball striking man there's

10:32

just no you can't hide of him from you really

10:34

can't it's a dream golf course form

10:36

it's a very much a neo it all becomes clear

10:38

to me after the fact that he would win on this golf course

10:41

because ah yes it is

10:43

a precision iron play test

10:45

and and and i'm really pumped for a man

10:47

that was a you could tell how much it was gonna

10:49

weigh in on him at the end his reaction at the end was just

10:51

kind of like a thank god

10:53

finally which is like really

10:55

hasn't played all that wilson's us

10:57

open rest the cottage in scotland

11:00

or scotland twenty eight the open

11:03

t twenty it it it detroit

11:05

and then t twenty one at wyndham so it's

11:07

not like he's like the floodgates have been open

11:09

since he's a he's kind of and scuffling a little bit the

11:12

murders caddy and then immediately one on the first start

11:14

so was or thought those fascinating

11:16

especially on that on the drop just

11:19

like missing the detour them go back and forth and

11:21

talk about yardage isn't all that when there's

11:23

really no prior experience for either

11:25

them together to draw upon and

11:28

so everything's new you're feeling each other out

11:30

and you're in the spot

11:33

ostensibly tens of millions colors are on

11:35

the line like that's a massive massive

11:37

massive spot the game on a

11:39

had has to be happy

11:40

sir

11:42

i wonder on the caddy front first

11:44

or do we have anybody have any insight

11:46

on what happened with the mid round

11:49

that's of what a weird that like this is

11:51

one of those golf things where it was any

11:53

other sport like different things would

11:55

be the biggest story in the world and with when

11:57

it's golf it's just gonna go fuck that's interesting

11:59

it well let's move on it's like the guy

12:02

who won this week fired his caddie mid tournament

12:04

never just like wow that's really interesting ah

12:07

and i i don't know why i don't know what happened

12:09

a is mutual yasser totally mysql

12:12

ah assess assess assess

12:15

as those are good with the categories of but

12:17

i wonder do your point on like on wonder

12:19

if a situation like that almost becomes

12:21

ah utterances unnecessary psychoanalysis

12:24

but

12:25

it almost becomes easier because there's no like

12:28

there's no built in you know not

12:30

scar tissue but there's just no context right like your

12:32

it seems like you're out there are almost like truly

12:35

working together rather than in the back of your head

12:37

like man this is just like fucking detroit

12:39

when used you said this and i wanted to do

12:41

this and blah blah like there's no almost

12:43

like a build up or residue

12:45

kind of that's what are you that he he was talking about

12:47

just just reading this this golf dot

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com article neckpiece through

12:52

sky

12:53

within just offices and i've

12:55

ever had to make my golf career runs brother

12:57

for life was kind of had a rough months together

12:59

in starting to affect our relationship i know guys say

13:01

that when they split but it really was or

13:03

guys the would love to have dinner together

13:06

and hang out and just started was going

13:08

on on the course western to bleed off the course

13:10

and that's not what you want

13:11

no to kind of a weird

13:14

like i'd i would i would be very curious

13:16

know what like were specifically came

13:18

to a head was it is a number was

13:21

at a club selection was at us

13:23

and it could be as simple as like

13:25

a chemistry thing it could

13:27

be as much on will as it is the caddy right it's

13:29

just like it's just not quite

13:31

working for me right now and in my not be your

13:33

fault like but the way i'd

13:35

and and executing things what are

13:37

you know with you out there for four and a half

13:40

hours five hours at a time is just not a great

13:42

match me right now and into a change of pace can

13:45

can be can great thing great thing it's a really tough

13:47

and mature thing to have to do it's age

13:49

twenty six to like a also just

13:51

pointing out like it seems like

13:53

almost every player really good young

13:56

player around this age

13:58

makes a big daddy change as some point

14:00

i mean tiger made it was much younger when he

14:02

made a caddy change but he has got to schaeffler

14:04

made enormous caddy changes i

14:07

mean just got a joint blanks on blanks lot

14:09

of other guys that have j t the little older out

14:12

you know he had one

14:13

doing as such elite

14:16

point in the season where normally it's you

14:19

know i guess it makes sense because it's that stuff

14:21

builds up during the season yeah

14:23

this is a very odd i'm i'm very

14:27

very keen on cuz i think he's

14:29

obviously got the ball start striking chops to

14:32

be a top one,

14:34

top two player in the world it's

14:36

is the matter figuring out these little variables

14:38

along the way yeah,

14:41

think like the pitcher tours gotta be

14:43

this overjoyed with

14:45

him of all people winning this week where he's been

14:47

one of the vocal ones the front

14:49

talking about this is getting up

14:51

in front of

14:52

this is in front of reporters and going to ride

14:54

front door which also maybe point out

14:57

of all the close call his head maybe this

14:59

was the tournament he deserved to win the least the

15:01

hit with a this bullshit

15:03

a gonna be in the on the second

15:06

, or was it where it hits the cart path

15:08

and got caught up in a tree the wanting to prevent

15:10

it from gonna be a bit agree par save

15:13

as to do that at daycare

15:15

that and then steps up on eleven

15:17

and as block leafs one right the whole

15:19

which is not the right place on eleven

15:21

and the ball holds up on the bank

15:24

or on the rock which really didn't do much for him because

15:26

he has go back to the dropper anyways but sept

15:28

shaka always gotta do always

15:30

gotta do is outsource it i in the water

15:32

basically i get to see the middle of eleven

15:34

green and east coast at the flag out

15:37

into the to your eyes on eighteen

15:39

i tried to the water twice what does

15:41

he deal he plays a place so fast

15:43

as possible he he hit that before zal

15:45

sources ball even like came to rest has varied

15:48

even know where was i was so shocked

15:50

by how fast he was plays crazy is

15:52

is reckless or said he is like up it's

15:54

like blaze black jacket he hits on nineteen of

15:56

aegis some of the it's that he

15:58

said he gets of leverage

15:59

it doesn't

16:03

matter doing this and here's how we're going

16:05

to to do it all right you got play close to

16:07

water to widmore that 360 got to a place

16:09

close to hazards i

16:11

got a a i confession i might be a huge step

16:13

shock a guy after i

16:15

think all the the zebra putter, this

16:17

square shoes, the austria

16:19

to valdosta that fired

16:22

at every single flags i think there's so much bad

16:24

is good that i was like mad give me me this guy every

16:26

week this is the sky of grace family still

16:29

living in valdosta by

16:30

that would

16:33

have have been really really really poignant

16:36

in in tough for faldo to

16:38

stomach the guy wearing and

16:41

the

16:41

week after he retired i

16:43

will say say of reminds

16:45

me a little bit of have some j

16:48

in the way that i keep our aggressive he plays

16:50

when in contention in terms of i mean

16:52

he went after but support three on the back that nobody

16:54

should be going after that pin he just like stared

16:57

that pinned down went directly after all the parts

16:59

on the back nine he's running six seven

17:01

eight feet bike as he tried to make everything

17:04

he looks at eyes that respect for somebody

17:06

that when he gets in contention i think we the the same thing

17:08

a pg national this national he

17:10

just steps up place fast and goes for

17:12

the juggler and maybe don't

17:14

need to do that in certain sick or situations

17:17

where display are thing i both the fourth reason

17:19

the back you don't really feel like fourteen

17:22

eleven the yeah thought the island

17:24

one yeah for teens like fucking past

17:26

yeah through two hundred and twenty yards and

17:29

water cut in or down the right

17:31

the daughter who is a quick player to i just

17:33

wanted as a it makes it so that watching

17:35

the playoff was actually like it had physics

17:38

as idea had taste had exactly

17:40

you weren't waiting like a minute between it were shot

17:42

because both of those guys to step up and

17:45

i think what's what's hard to his i

17:48

didn't i this is kind of speaking on both sides of her mouth

17:50

because all we do is gonna talk about the game theory

17:53

and what is it all mean and all that stuff but most

17:56

of em most of most golf

17:58

tournaments are so boring right

18:00

that a really take until the last like

18:02

four five holes when the picture concerts to

18:04

crystallize any kind of see like good

18:07

as guys actually in it this guy's not at it this guy

18:09

nice do this on this all once

18:11

you kind of remove yourself from like well

18:14

you know what is really mean for the pj tour of sept

18:16

straka when the playoff that say who fucking cares

18:18

man like what once you can finally

18:20

kind of free yourself of that stuff is like wow

18:22

this is a delight watch added

18:25

sister a it's a little harder to do

18:27

that these days i think with everything is

18:29

you know what is it all mean but it was

18:31

it was nice to finally yeah the i think

18:33

every kind of collectively felt that click in

18:35

red around that that first time they get like seventeen

18:38

eighteen and and struck a started continually

18:42

car that shoddy hit in the eighteen regulation

18:44

was ah the versus like stop me

18:46

and my travels he was under you know someone

18:48

down and a rough one ninety four two hundred yards

18:50

yeah i was one of ourselves as seen on here at

18:53

don't know that green out of unpredictable reviewed

18:55

a over water into the a t that

18:57

i think it lands into the grain which me

18:59

and makes a huge difference when you know the

19:01

middle summer on on grainy bermuda but

19:03

still that was at one say like everything

19:05

was salvaged like what i'm think the maximum amount of

19:07

risk on that i find the can have on him

19:10

like taking the giraffe in the playoffs

19:14

and , you must really like to smoke good

19:16

number of each other and know it evidently

19:18

did granted it's granted what size of the iceberg

19:20

after taking the draws taking the he's in the rough

19:23

there again with them or had no business

19:25

staying up either i got landed left of

19:27

the fairway state any city like he's

19:29

already taken issue off it's hurting rolled

19:32

his pants over what not and he says

19:34

you know i like very adult

19:36

maybe the most adult decision ever some a

19:38

true that earlier they would

19:40

be like chili's advanced up there

19:42

fifty yards be fifty yards closer

19:45

murphy just really like that number yeah

19:47

i guess it's you know why take the risk

19:49

on a or next shot if

19:51

it's just gonna be a layup right it's like the

19:54

caddies will tell you if you if you can

19:56

get the ball on the green this might be worth the risk

19:58

of doing it but of the best ah

19:59

the little is to get into the fairway with like

20:02

much as take the drop in and try to stuff on in

20:04

their also private pretty good about for

20:06

might win it five is definitely gonna be

20:08

gonna for blast the same thing applies to sell

20:10

tours on the last playoff hole where do you

20:13

hope the caddy looks at them and says do

20:15

you feel better about this shot than

20:17

you do from ninety three yards

20:19

in south sources position or whatever

20:21

was hundred and sixty five or whatever for struck it's

20:23

like it's which which one is going to have the

20:26

the greater outcome most of the times

20:28

like

20:29

the nirvana variables correct

20:31

how tourist wanted to hit up off the rocks

20:33

so badly fine how can we really

20:36

did it it was a foot joy that exceeds

20:38

you'd activations activation to show

20:40

the shoes which the caesar fire the

20:43

like after after he said like okay

20:45

you've already committed to go to the drop zone this

20:47

is purely for practices everybody was the yellow

20:50

, avid i think this is a lot of do that

20:53

does not going to count but please edit can we want

20:55

to see if you can pull that off it was crazy that then

20:57

crazy that was still away

21:00

the office like that that kind of made of

21:03

you can revisit a little bit more the only other shot

21:05

at odds outdoors may have wanted

21:07

to give some thought to was flipping

21:09

the total of the putter over and city with the

21:11

tow but he doesn't have a away you know yeah

21:13

but he isn't a blade putter so it's not slush

21:16

it's not straight on the end

21:18

of the potter so you know but

21:20

he died he had a normal blade or you could flip

21:23

it over ah it's tones cup pop down into

21:25

and it would get up over ideal vj

21:27

exact what it felt like also could have jammed

21:29

under absolute rent the grow yes

21:32

like that where was i i've i could see

21:34

exactly what are you thinking of as i literally just get

21:36

this ball move forward a foot like

21:38

i'm gonna win that alternatively meal with yes

21:41

or or or you belly up with a wedge and he goes in the back

21:43

bunker and than it's like both anything jags

21:45

is truly a thing could happen or it's like hey dude

21:47

ninety yards wide shot you want the best

21:49

was players on earth like this is good

21:51

do that we're not gonna lose the turn right here if we do that

21:54

and gosh i wasn't just

21:56

chaotic sinister sick hospital it's

21:58

hospital can't take as how hard

21:59

kevin smith would a hit betcha had

22:02

, did you see a flop on

22:04

the three today though the up the par

22:06

five this is a complete lunatic

22:09

he missed several bad line mrs sixty

22:11

yards left the cat like he's like looking

22:13

up over a tree just to fly as

22:15

ever the gop even know what he's really look at adhered of

22:18

course he actually pulled that went off with ah

22:20

at that was that was very was penalised

22:23

wheaties rose very good of of agra that assesses

22:25

the make this what can

22:27

i go back to what dj he was talking regularly about

22:29

what is it all mean and just kind of interject with

22:32

the question i had about would we

22:34

care more about the fedexcup generally

22:36

would have more juice if it was not

22:39

surely a boy and exercise for

22:42

fedex which obviously like we know that

22:44

they have to go coming out of

22:46

the hundreds and hundreds millions of dollars

22:48

of they're putting up year over year

22:50

that it was just

22:52

the non blended event now that's got a little

22:55

bit history would we care about it more or will

22:57

it still does kind of like the juice v

22:59

like every other puget were event

23:02

that's great question i

23:04

think what think hear fedexcup i don't hear the sponsored

23:06

part of it anymore it's kind of same way like

23:08

with the genesis or whatever with just hear

23:10

you know i'd i don't think that much about

23:13

in about in that term and

23:15

in still know fight how much i really cared

23:18

just because does pretty easy to gain

23:20

because sense of how people feel about

23:22

it right like i if i ask you right now who won

23:24

the twenty nineteen fedexcup like could you

23:26

name enough top your head

23:27

i i think it was rory

23:30

wasn't that nineteen eighteen was rose the

23:33

i was a gigantic has the exact are jt

23:35

maybe

23:36

the could have been yes i'm saying the give you we

23:38

you could i'd you could tell me one that twenty nineteen

23:41

open championship right of top your head

23:43

pretty easily the mourners mourn or

23:45

maybe not the same our but they by

23:47

be like as a points and it's not like

23:49

a two thousand promotes not as you been on an island

23:51

eighteen it's not the i like the one

23:53

winner of the year is the fed ex cup but

23:56

it was more him acting look at the fact

23:58

that said axis spot this is the

23:59

sixteen year of

24:02

that is a tor has kept fedex

24:04

not only sponsoring this sixteen

24:06

years the doubling down

24:08

and quadrupling down and fill

24:10

have the balls said as a tourist us to six

24:13

foot stop bringing money to it and i mean

24:15

like every race that's insane

24:17

and in and just like almost to the

24:19

point where everybody golf fans almost

24:22

despise said acts instead

24:24

of feeling gracious you

24:26

know what like props the search for supporting

24:29

our game six of feather to separate

24:31

i i think zola go into your point

24:33

about you know you don't really hear it anymore i

24:35

i think that's because you made up your mind like fifteen

24:38

years ago how you feel about it right

24:40

and and part of that is like i'm

24:42

with you job that i i think if it was not

24:44

a like you can't name

24:46

the trophy after trophy after company

24:49

like you just you can't do that and

24:52

name is fred smith memorial

24:54

trophy or something i just i i i

24:56

am just a i dunno

24:58

maybe maybe this is totally totally wrong

25:00

marketing people can absolutely shoot

25:02

me in the face regarding this idea but

25:05

just how much of a difference would it really

25:07

make for fedex if you had called it the pj

25:09

to play offs presented by fedex like

25:12

would be so much different i felt people

25:14

would take it so much more seriously i feel

25:16

like fedex is mostly there for a hospitality

25:20

way anyways and like hosting people

25:22

and doing be to be stuff

25:24

on site at events and

25:26

i mean i i always i bring this story about

25:28

i miss the ruins beef one in

25:30

fifteen i was followed him

25:33

doing like the do

25:35

like social media stuff and taken photos as he

25:37

was doing his trophy like all the different

25:39

things that you do before you go to the media tend

25:41

to before you you know as from like the point

25:43

you sign your scorecard until you

25:45

know the point you leave the property basically i was just like

25:48

fallen him on all that stuff and watching

25:50

him come into the fedex

25:52

party it might the champagne

25:54

toast and see all the executives up

25:56

other day as like oh god of about the fuck

25:58

it hang out with shortage that

26:00

was like oh that's why they do a like as

26:02

other to do with impressions as other

26:05

to do with a that it's just like because these guys

26:07

are dorks they wanna hang out with you

26:09

know golfers a that's where i come

26:11

back like manner be such a different thing if it was just

26:13

the puget her blouse presented by a brand

26:16

and then also to your point drawn like if

26:18

the gravy train ever stops like what

26:20

do you just rename the trophy like a fucking stupid

26:22

is that they do that a lot of other of sci

26:25

so that all push back though cause i think if that

26:27

axis one and like

26:29

you know fred smith whoever wants just hang

26:31

out with pro

26:33

golfers a like his son as the

26:36

falcons head coach and be like

26:38

they can sponsor and that they don't have this spend

26:42

hannah x twenty x or whatever

26:44

they're spending i think what they're what they're buying as well

26:46

as if you just call it the puget

26:48

or play off it's what

26:51

what fedex is buying is all those said

26:53

ex cup

26:55

they're getting promo every single

26:57

day of every single tournament

26:59

and it's access to the entire network

27:01

of other sponsors and the pj tour

27:03

and their businesses and dancing getting

27:06

fed ex involved with their businesses that

27:08

they are other you know where have shipping because

27:10

heart of it is like if you're gonna

27:12

if you're taking a back to or i like

27:14

the puget or play off

27:15

appears for wouldn't have players because it

27:18

wouldn't does not play offs it's leader exactly

27:20

it's just was like that with flavor gerrymandered

27:22

this entire thing to to make it work

27:24

for the title sponsor here

27:26

when really like this the whole fucking thing stupid

27:29

sending that it's a great meeting train ever did

27:31

dry up there can't be that many

27:33

other companies that are totally

27:36

liquid enough to sponsor or something like i mean

27:38

we're doing their bidding against themselves and ryan

27:40

and and honestly fedex stock was

27:42

like in the tank the last few years to the

27:44

point where people were wondering if walmart or

27:46

shopify was going to buy him the other thing

27:48

is like at some point like all right sub

27:50

shaka was i hadn't made a

27:52

caught in a couple months and he's all

27:54

the sudden going to be in the top ten now

27:57

so many see a like top top seller tubby

27:59

now it's like

27:59

it would you know

28:01

those those guys the runway leaderboard on

28:03

saturday

28:04

one of them wins like what a farce so

28:06

is there anything anyone could do to give this juice

28:08

or know the just it's just doomed to be

28:11

what it is love i think it's gonna change

28:13

for the better i mean having one hundred twenty five guys

28:15

get in the playoffs is just like having all thirty

28:17

nfl teams are thirty to have me at

28:19

thirty two nfl teams all make the playoffs and like

28:22

couple of get a start little bit of a head start in one

28:24

of the games when reality at like seven even

28:26

seventy habits it starts with next year is

28:28

not enough of it whittled down to like here's

28:30

the guide the made the playoffs if you want to make some actual

28:32

that's actually every probably there's there's some

28:35

guys would like legit

28:36

hard to play one hundred and sixty

28:38

that like between all the different exemptions

28:41

and get a jail free cards and or the with the has

28:43

sweats eight hundred seventy one hundred and sixty

28:45

feels like a similar

28:47

the portion to

28:49

n b a or nfl or something like

28:51

that but yeah it's crazy to see it

28:53

like a tyler duncan up there me like acted

28:55

like he finished well outside

28:57

the top one hundred this year like get the fuck

29:00

outta here oh you shouldn't be in the postseason deafening

29:02

i i

29:03

definitely definitely agree with that i

29:06

also think i know we talk about it

29:08

every year matchplay i know all the inherent

29:10

risks but this they got exciting today

29:12

when it was mano a mano also

29:14

through madeleine iterations yelling match

29:17

played a match play final would be

29:19

so much more interesting and he may have to do something

29:21

like weird for that too the habit

29:23

ray mit to be like a

29:25

story

29:26

the tour championship final round with a certain number

29:28

of guys and slowly whittle it down or something like that

29:30

would be phenomenal but than

29:32

, all the like people come in the you

29:34

know coming from the other side of like you're given away

29:37

so much money that uk it's the same thing with the olympics

29:39

like you're trying to crown a true champion

29:41

like you can't do some fucked up format format

29:44

still love the fact that i think they're still

29:46

scarred from the whole like kevin like

29:50

for sure he ruined the mad at the batch

29:52

play or got pierre folky

29:54

who we talk to you it's we it's will say

29:56

yeah it just the now some

29:58

of the sponsor stuff can be you know a little

30:00

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a pool of coin of

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coin a feeling on a cone more a cow a got

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31:28

the to finish their a from him the

31:30

the mr shorties in the a the bogey

31:32

to finish that that was it was getting a little tiny

31:34

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31:37

props

31:38

it's a it's eight eleven pm

31:40

here on sunday night

31:42

maybe an hour hour and fifteen

31:44

minutes after

31:45

conclusion of play i

31:48

click on the set ex cup standings was

31:50

her the headline on the website

31:54

they're not updated updated these

31:56

are the ones prior to the tournament

31:59

even starting august seventh where's

32:01

the tour props you're giving here i love

32:03

is i was being okay gotcha and just got a has

32:05

his way through churchill i just want this

32:07

to mean something like any of projected

32:10

cities official cynically can you make these the

32:12

official standing the i

32:14

just bugs me any other

32:16

any other housekeeping from

32:19

like from this week program

32:22

smith ruling so

32:24

, those that were not familiar this came out this

32:26

morning that cam smith upon

32:29

and officials viewing of the replay in

32:31

the hotel the night before before

32:34

him smith drop on the fourth hole on the part

32:36

three took a drop after hitting in the

32:38

water and the ball drop and roll

32:40

down was touching the red line our

32:43

next to the fort the water hazard or

32:45

the pembury next to the fourth green

32:47

he played from there nobody thought anything of it until

32:49

this official saw it on the replay and

32:52

as of this morning after the fourth round had already begun

32:54

had already conversation with can about

32:56

with and then decide to penalize him ah

32:59

two shots so he saw it last night

33:01

yes on saturday night and then waits

33:04

so everybody

33:05

lock their line of skits their beds

33:07

in all that stuff so we're gonna we're

33:09

going to treat this

33:11

like a we're going to try treated like a real sport

33:13

most the time we're going away

33:15

the last twenty two hours to penalize kim which

33:17

can't came and sam need to be better is

33:19

like the

33:20

the basic simple nineveh it's

33:22

three very easy three steps in my mind

33:24

cam broke the rules should have been penalised

33:26

that's all i have no issue should have known the

33:29

you know the suit unknown the rule one at that's

33:31

another one in the third as like uk a

33:33

web what point are rounds over man if you

33:35

want to i hate thai running back to gambling

33:37

and and and betting and everything but there is a whole slew

33:40

of people that are interested in this sports

33:42

based on the fact that they can game on it and have

33:45

fun and more is pushing that angle really

33:47

hard really hard and how

33:49

see not disqualified for signing an incorrect

33:51

scorecard said they changed that rule

33:53

to the point where if you've got something app you

33:55

sign your card and video review

33:58

changes a ruling you did not

33:59

incorrect scorecard have you sign your scoreboard

34:02

your rounds over like that you would

34:04

think that's where i would agree that it's like hey

34:06

or first of all with the all of the

34:08

these results are official everything is

34:10

moot at this point

34:12

there should be the and way is not governed

34:15

on the pj torn that's my issue but like

34:17

how i don't expect the rules official that regroup

34:20

i don't expect every shot to be you

34:22

know of like tracked by rules official but i do

34:24

expect a ruse official to be watching the

34:26

telecast and that should i didn't know

34:28

this rule i really honestly didn't know this was a rule

34:31

but that should have jumped off that i jumped

34:33

off the screen at screen at official that was watching

34:35

it to say okay wait a second from and a half

34:38

size or i'm going to ask him about this

34:40

after the round because that drop on for did not

34:42

look like it was right and the fact that it

34:44

took until that night for someone to see it is

34:46

that's that's attorney watches it that night

34:48

and then waits another

34:50

the hours to to even services

34:53

and then another it like it was one

34:55

one o'clock by the time was with one

34:57

or two eastern by the time all this was

35:00

like that's like what the fuck happened

35:02

in the in there the sixteen

35:04

hours like earthed or that the twelve

35:06

hours from the time that this guy we

35:09

watched it at ten pm that night

35:12

who even ten ten am that next day

35:14

it just doesn't make sense to me and it's also

35:16

like if that happens in round for

35:18

it is not a say i guess

35:20

not gonna come out tomorrow that are go back and change

35:22

that all the tournament so makes it all feel

35:24

so blessed

35:26

arbitrary yeah it's just

35:28

ah is it's like like what is the tour

35:31

ever been adamant

35:33

about like

35:35

the rule

35:36

like i mean they've given patrick read the benefit

35:38

of doubt on every possible occasion the

35:41

movies and like the timing of this after

35:44

all the can live stuff this week it's just like

35:46

and you know it's like it seems like everything

35:48

was above board as far as like this is the right

35:50

ruling

35:51

that the whole timing of it never they just

35:53

sucks even more it it's a very convenient

35:55

connecting the dots of like the seems pretty vindictive

35:58

and i don't i don't necessarily

35:59

agree with that it it certainly looks

36:02

worse i mean it it will been any other player

36:04

that's a story does not a big story but because

36:06

it's came smith

36:09

yeah and i mean look the some of the stuff has

36:11

happened i remember the timing was of dylan

36:13

, tallies penalty from that he got i think in

36:15

hilton head when he hit the ball out of the tree but

36:17

he was straddling is line bug that was a

36:20

video review of some kind so it's not like

36:22

you know only cams getting singled out here

36:25

i just yeah i don't know what the

36:27

actual protocol is for like as the the cards

36:29

or scion emeralds visible i saw this on tv

36:31

later i didn't say something

36:33

immediately like that like to me like that rule

36:35

official

36:36

cool year suspended

36:38

straight up like you twelve hours went by and

36:40

say anything and then finally and maybe

36:42

they did in there was like a we can't

36:45

during to we're back on site the know maybe

36:47

try to get a whole to i don't know that but

36:49

it it's just not it's not great it's

36:51

it's it's it's really not with

36:54

our brian hormones else

36:56

your lack shoes with like the rumpled

37:00

hockey's you're just like

37:02

it's really bad

37:05

the hundred and eighty degree turn into

37:07

a job that i like it i'll try to get all

37:09

the designers we are so much other stuff to talk

37:11

about a reminder the summer might

37:14

i ask if i notice it's just that it was

37:16

like harmonies the care so deeply

37:18

about that he was wearing and how address

37:21

where now it's like that like the guy looks like he's

37:24

going , or had suffered or falcons

37:26

i know we gotta get to a lot of stuff with this has gotta

37:28

take priority is hop out of sit out about

37:31

the group at the group by the way adam

37:33

scott john rom com work our tony

37:35

feed our methods patrick a department

37:38

remote next as well but of a bitch

37:40

tell given nother scared each

37:42

no i know i was thrilling to watch man

37:45

just really really stuff ah

37:48

not an oath is you know i will take this

37:51

off on i can figure out which we were gonna take the big tone

37:53

bit i haven't really decided yet so just give

37:55

give he sorta of happy one year anniversary they'll by

37:57

the way of the you not paying off your debt from

37:59

a from

37:59

there's first playoff of

38:01

mahalo thank you yeah he

38:03

won't listen memory were penciled in for the nic

38:06

i'm already have grown it out you guys a second

38:09

bed the first bet is that's the

38:11

one we're talking of the month jobs so a woman

38:13

to try to paint both of if we're talking about

38:15

guys see three lucas glover

38:17

one from a hundred and twenty first in the in

38:20

the vaunted sex cause sensitivity

38:22

cause sensitivity their exams only there because guys

38:24

dropped out likely now he stays unreal

38:28

you know he's he's probably as silly as

38:30

a good way to be and of you next week he's a shoe

38:32

in now ah out of scott

38:34

one from you know outside the car the

38:37

casually going into wyndham the seventy

38:39

seven to forty fifth now shut

38:41

sixty six today two hundred and one

38:44

who and or what is a tailor more

38:46

i've never heard of taylor

38:49

more but apparently he is not

38:51

always had a professional golfer but

38:53

when you met my house

38:56

honestly hope that when new submitted

38:58

well ah , the

39:01

very serious golf have access i think

39:03

i played ping pong with him a few years ago at the corn

39:06

ferry the

39:08

abusive and i'm like the videos

39:10

slot emitted taylor due to spot in the earth

39:13

have given more why he

39:16

do that either we don't need to get hug

39:18

of others would purely because it's fun just

39:21

, have added another sport like look at those

39:23

at the scoreboard at the of those that have

39:26

never heard of as he was

39:28

that aaron of wales

39:31

ah the clicks and feminists have

39:33

further soraya what as a result

39:35

of the wildcat i've heard of him because

39:39

he i was i will say though i

39:41

was when of exciting finish today but also

39:44

if i have made this point enough point recent weeks and months

39:46

like months like

39:47

i don't want to your the impression that we're pretending like the

39:49

dude that have left for live ah

39:52

don't matter because like this tournament missed

39:54

like bryson would have done some dumb

39:56

shit this week either done something weird

39:59

brooks is like police were like checking in

40:01

on to see how he's doing dj is another

40:03

name that like it just kind of feels like

40:05

and this this this thought today was when

40:07

you think that's like twenty fourteen twenty fifteen when we

40:09

started the show how rough shape to pg

40:12

tour was in a mean it was a it

40:14

was a lot of white not only was a lot of white belt

40:16

of this time but it was just like a lotta like

40:18

some you'll know and camille of a j guess

40:21

and like mack couture stuff going on

40:23

that was not that exciting and that seemed like there

40:25

was but the farm system was really good

40:27

right and we got a lot a lot

40:30

of prospects graduated up and we've

40:32

had a pretty good run of of solid

40:34

tor golf and then like salary

40:36

caps hit and we had to offload a lot

40:38

of the players and now it's like times

40:41

like yeah now kind of stuck in between

40:43

like yeah we saw raises a relative

40:45

spread of money exactly and

40:47

we're kind of stuck between like every rebuilding a

40:49

reminding for prospects or are we kind of

40:51

embracing this window to compete and

40:53

flair to be named later yeah it with as

40:56

that's the feeling i had watched this week as a man

40:58

we lost and talent and it is

41:00

it's gonna affect the viewing and

41:02

it's not even the so the talent is it is the

41:04

entertainment value that some of those guys brought

41:07

have brought have of guys left i don't

41:09

really care to watch by golf and yes but

41:11

there are some that i will miss watching them compete

41:13

in this realm like bryson

41:16

especially

41:17

i'm curious to the know i like how they

41:19

go about it with the one twenty five vs

41:21

a know your father resigning and all that

41:23

stuff how much deeper they're gonna need

41:26

to go if they need to make any changes the priority

41:28

list as they move forward whether it be

41:30

you know letting more corn very guys

41:33

in are more guys down the list

41:35

the on the top one twenty five and the fedexcup

41:38

four cards go to the think that's gonna be a very

41:40

real

41:41

the duration of before i

41:44

think gun on that front is i think to

41:47

in order to what they'll i'm sure more structural

41:49

changes will be coming in the playoffs

41:51

is is a good start but

41:54

just continuing to make sure that you

41:56

know this the studs are what

41:58

did a front line as as possible theory

42:01

that i think is just becoming more

42:03

and more ever part because that the farm system

42:05

is gun rights everyday the

42:07

i think probably highlighted by no one better themselves

42:09

or

42:10

if you want to even call that a minute know he's kind of been

42:13

in every big event over the last

42:15

couple of years but it's not just him cam young

42:17

to gala i think there's a bunch of a bunch

42:19

of dudes that are like how

42:21

do we have we not rigged system but

42:23

let's make sure these guys are are not having

42:26

too much food taken out of the mouse by the

42:29

dungeons and things of that nature but zealots

42:31

was wasn't even a fucking playoffs last year

42:34

right , of saying we didn't read it if

42:36

we to figure this out and then and then line of

42:38

it you know that you're a d was on the sixty man by september

42:40

first guess i see have

42:43

, have have profit about like about

42:45

the or one hundred and two hundred a bullfight

42:47

as it would he have distributed the devil i didn't use enough

42:49

to zero of this is they didn't wanna have

42:52

started served on a slot and arbitration

42:54

on us ah but now it's like

42:57

ago i was kind of reminded of it this year with like

42:59

roy seventeen early on falling losses

43:01

corner wherever

43:02

check it out he didn't because he cashed in his

43:04

you know for the top twenty five or

43:07

top thirty career money house he not

43:09

and live by the way that see for sure

43:11

that the upset of the century i might be like

43:13

our good man i love

43:15

market to see i think jimmy walker

43:17

might have lost his car did he did he did

43:19

to congratulate you are that that's that's

43:22

exciting for us is sandy johnson hearts on

43:24

the lotto about how a promotion and

43:26

relegation system would be very very

43:28

exciting and give more meaning on

43:30

a week to week basis for the guys that are closer

43:32

to the cut offs and that's one

43:34

thing that fiji tours could realistically

43:36

due to be live to the punch because we

43:38

have is talking about while we will you for he spots

43:41

and so that we

43:41

who knows exactly how the last the

43:44

bottom twelve guys are in a shaken and now

43:46

and

43:47

there's obviously a need to bring the contrary

43:49

guys up sooner and give them more opportunities

43:52

where you have all these fields were on to beat

43:54

a dead horse like john he since getting and regular

43:56

bj torment and that's something that's

43:59

worth doesn't

43:59

to go way out of its way to do like

44:02

them infrastructures already in place why

44:04

don't they don't that it seems like emerged point

44:06

system would make so much more sound exactly

44:08

like it a there are times

44:10

when it would make a ton of sense ton call up corn for guys

44:13

to play and pj tour events but they don't do that myself

44:15

status retain even if it's only like

44:18

when we all really it you know like

44:20

you don't have to be every single week but

44:22

the guys that have been playing the best for last three months should

44:24

be playing on pj to an emitter figure

44:26

out how to give them no equivalent

44:29

points for the court very that i'm sad day

44:31

i got a given some kind of some sort special

44:33

temporary membership were like once you get caught up to

44:35

the tory it's works like a major medical you need

44:37

to get this number of points to stay there okay

44:40

we'll started playing better than most of the

44:42

guys on the bottom seventy in own points anyways

44:44

than

44:45

we'll figure it out or to go back to the effort

44:47

or doesn't matter

44:48

the thing we i give j to spawn a shoutout

44:51

seventy eight or they could respond a lot

44:53

of eventually were him how hives a store

44:55

it was like one of those glitches recovery spotting

44:58

right in front of the you know that on

45:00

the list

45:02

by the way they set of if you're playing you're playing

45:04

game where's our taurus was a like

45:06

is he actually in the hazards is

45:08

i can see that the iguanas blitzes really you

45:11

can't like you can't even take of unplayable

45:13

from there to support a drop regular

45:16

video games though i did have that on my list to bring up

45:18

the tree monex might be the most ea sports

45:21

ah create a player the offer

45:23

on the beach it's or as as gotta what

45:25

was feeling like for a while there of just like oh my

45:27

like create a player avatars

45:30

in the final group with with without

45:32

source like this pretty cool when first springer mountain

45:34

farms taken on a sir alex alabama

45:36

grad enough

45:38

the of i'm good at of get i bet

45:40

i'll say i'm back and forth on

45:43

does the playoff point system makes sense like doesn't

45:45

make sense for to for guys make beyond

45:47

make as big a leaps as they are in

45:49

in the playoff events i i think

45:52

they probably have to do a system that where it is

45:54

possible to do that or else it's really not a play off it's

45:56

just kind of things got better yet i

45:58

think it it seems about right you could

46:00

always tinker it but i guess it a little

46:02

weird substructures now the top ten yeah but

46:04

like he wanted tournament this year and got second in a

46:06

play off of that like that kind of adds

46:08

up to me like has he had the best season know but

46:11

if you want any kind of level suspense

46:13

and these playoffs need to have the opportunities that

46:15

can happen otherwise it's just it becomes

46:17

like the just like you know a t m

46:19

line are lining up the bank

46:22

teller to collect money the

46:25

ball goes farther with more humidity they could

46:27

not understand this concept on thursday

46:29

it was have you a jt st clair

46:31

that ally they got by the system on now and

46:33

i think he kind of realized that hey i might a not

46:35

really arguing with sally here i'm arguing with science

46:38

and i don't want of i don't wanna you know lose

46:40

that battle and i'd have the flip the fedex

46:42

or plane fly over on saturday i

46:44

got my juices flowing and the i just was filmed just

46:46

an outpouring of passion for for this country

46:49

and and that these the fedex servicemen

46:51

that was a those with that was a bizarre

46:54

bizarre ah i don't from

46:56

they act like that was tradition i do not remember

46:58

that big a tradition that they invent they need orange and

47:00

purple chem trails it will anyway if if i others

47:02

or six like they that a few at the heritage

47:05

over the years or that you know owing

47:07

everyone on airplanes yeah joy

47:09

of blame them over for yeah it's unknown

47:12

it was is kind of them a weird a

47:14

weird wrinkle smells i have a sister

47:17

jesse big dick rick

47:18

nine yeah of tough

47:20

he was he was in the hunt before that

47:23

to not really when you will

47:25

you will not like us thursday have sistine

47:28

when you've made a nine annulled i think he was already

47:30

is a pretty good said he wasn't a tough one

47:33

for certain randy of the top ten but that

47:36

up lots of just take is completely off track

47:38

of is very important conversation but saki baba

47:40

is nine up through twenty five it is i know how

47:42

i agree with the ending right now or it

47:44

so when we started he was

47:46

back to five up as i go man with you

47:48

know i said i thought we thought the hey was in the barn

47:50

here she is not hosted as blow like

47:53

this massive massively did she was seven

47:55

up after not be doing after the initial eighteen

47:57

humid seven birdies first

48:00

first eighteen today what a name saki

48:03

bala who is crazy a third screwing

48:05

with them

48:06

that was the best golf i was still a week ago

48:09

i had first of all shoutout

48:11

to nbc are

48:13

your golf channel embassy whatever that were calling the

48:17

those guys golf sorry

48:20

ritual or no was on a call

48:21

the brickhouse key morgan pressel

48:24

ah kei cockerel i really like morgan

48:26

pressel of and was your gallagher gallagher

48:29

was out there julia johnson did a great

48:31

job like the camera angles were awesome

48:33

it when you give them a chance to read get out and

48:35

run without a tonic commercials it's

48:37

amazing what they're capable of have that wednesday

48:40

thursday like each night it was in prime

48:42

time it was a the fobbed

48:44

we've with with the at a fog delay

48:46

they went an hour or two hours longer

48:49

than they were

48:50

the anyone with the tv schedule in

48:52

making compromises it

48:54

was awesome i loved it and winners that

48:56

many like there's not much character development to

48:58

where i didn't know who ninety

49:00

five percent of these ladies were going

49:02

into wednesday night or thursday night

49:05

and when you give him a few hours to

49:07

tell the stories of when they do the research in

49:10

a college coaches and talk to the swing coaches

49:12

like you know brickhouse key or lerner

49:14

they're talking to chris como

49:16

or they're talking to jam darling

49:18

from michigan or just the silverstein

49:20

from u s c like it it's truly

49:23

like either they're true trying to educate

49:25

the viewer and it makes a big difference

49:27

and and then you add chambers bay to it which

49:30

holy shit man like even the

49:32

little stuff like the hard camera is i'm watching

49:34

right now and they they're gonna eat whole

49:36

and have a camera that set up behind the green up the

49:38

top of the hill and it shows they can zoom in a shows

49:40

the entire whole and in the campaign and over

49:42

and show the rest of the golf course they can show the night

49:45

i mean it's little things like that the go

49:47

the extra mile to make the broadcast

49:49

really good and worth watching and

49:52

i'd i couldn't agree more tc like govt

49:54

a great job sweet what makes the venue

49:56

matter that much more that you can give people a sense

49:59

of place a go and

49:59

members and not really doing it justice and

50:02

make you want to go play it and give

50:04

you a sense of what the players are dealing with some of the shots

50:06

with up the pins as at times work

50:09

like ridiculously hard to really

50:11

address the per match flag of like points and

50:13

will say it like this like this the quarter

50:15

like out of the round of sixteen around

50:17

of eight said it just saving it for the finances

50:20

of i was cool yeah was like do this is hop on a

50:22

knob a like a want you to not get just figured

50:24

out like that is this a stroke playpen know but

50:26

just don't aim at it but try to figure out how to get

50:28

up at in and of course little awesome

50:31

i'm in the new greens are great it was planned

50:34

mega from like the lag

50:36

putting your to be creative as hell it

50:38

looks both crispy and green

50:41

at the same time wouldn't ask why

50:43

the items i i can fix their i told you before

50:45

we we came on there's been like fourteen

50:48

different times this week there's gonna be costly

50:50

hell out of the back either i look up and i'm like whoa

50:52

where's that my god sabres

50:54

bay again like this is looks like the coolest

50:57

freaking golf course in america it's it's

50:59

unbelievable that it's gonna be a tragic

51:02

tragic situation i think if chambers

51:04

bay becomes one and done on the

51:06

in at least in a men's pro game they're brought up

51:08

in like twenty seventy five though that's

51:10

true yeah i don't us

51:13

women's open their maybe at the you know i know the us yeah

51:15

hence to do that of them inside at least gonna have

51:17

the us am six

51:19

seven eight years before they announce like

51:22

as made us

51:24

open the at a place in obviously

51:26

with them booked up in so many different places maybe they're

51:28

thinking that on the us women's open side which

51:30

be really cool

51:32

yeah i don't blast so i don't

51:34

care what turn with a player they just need to play more told

51:36

as golf here because i will watch all that yeah and

51:38

it's also add in i know the answer to this

51:40

as a unit you need to pay the players but also

51:42

a big question is what has amateur golf that

51:45

much easier to watch than pro golf like are easier

51:47

produce like a really good coffee product

51:50

and i now feel so commercials pay

51:52

the person and all that stuff but it's just as a question of

51:54

i did it this is is amazing

51:56

with are able to do story telling lies

51:58

with her and with with shut up works for

52:00

giving us on amd uninterrupted coverage always

52:02

as as you say he added that

52:04

it's it's impossible to

52:07

overstate the effect of that still

52:09

have a lot of rolex yeah but super thankful for them

52:11

every time they do with awful on money and every bit

52:13

when share it also says i mean some of the ill

52:15

i thought the semis and finals fry them

52:18

the weakest golf of at all your thought

52:20

the round of thirty two or the round

52:22

of sixteen around of a like this

52:24

and tenacity out there are

52:26

moon a child like her stories unbelievable

52:29

kind of it was in deep deep deep

52:31

in the wilderness ah almost

52:33

like quit the game basically and

52:35

then a loved watching amari avery

52:38

like she's i guess the next the

52:40

big thing once you learn how to control or span

52:42

and just clean something's up she's got our

52:45

for days ah catherine rao

52:47

was awesome brianna never oh sir rachel

52:50

cute mom was a bit much for me there

52:53

is tom sawyer know i'm in

52:55

overall are i just i thought it was i thought

52:57

it was such as such a credit

52:59

to golf like i was on the fences

53:01

we've got one hundred event on

53:04

our message for having an event out there next

53:06

month on when i'm gone after think that's

53:08

click for no brainer what are the dates are like to

53:10

death with about that our flights yeah

53:12

that's served a fantastic tournament

53:15

and in our own right in the men's

53:17

you a sam elliott of us a local caddies

53:19

it's like a place that lie so bow the cat

53:21

is it that we had our group

53:24

he was unbelievable

53:26

i yeah that's the kind of place where you want to have a look okay

53:29

why think it's it's probably true right time to transition

53:31

into another , didn't

53:33

bring job in for up for what what has contributed

53:36

so far away with there's a reason we were

53:38

making the called of the bullpen if the trumpets are sounding

53:40

india for coming in from the bullpen before

53:43

we get to that ah would personal finance

53:45

connects you to both your funds and the stuff

53:47

that matters that's money and that's

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cash app you know what else is money to in your

53:51

own cast tax ah i had a buddy

53:53

once that sent me we had a ten

53:55

dollar closest to the pen bet and

53:58

sea bass music you this

54:00

other guy hits a closer than you do and the

54:02

other guy was like a twenty handicapping susie hit the shot

54:04

he sent me a ten dollar request for

54:06

the money and it rattled me it absolutely

54:09

rattled be so that's going to be my to move for

54:11

better now is to a to send to send

54:13

the request an early the chloroform ball off

54:15

the first he had neil submitted that one he said

54:17

that's money i don't i'm not quite sure that when adds up for

54:19

me i money for the other person yeah

54:21

to it tends to be camp smith leaving

54:24

for live a i believe money's involved

54:26

there that's money henrik stenson monetizing

54:28

the ryder cup captaincy that's money this

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is actually not the copy this and over but other

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give us of leeway with this one patrick

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reed flying around the world for a t thirty one

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that's money that's probably a lot of money event there are

54:40

lawyers charging and job my be able to fill us in on

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this product five thousand dollars an hour could live

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that's money a , guys

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have no idea of the invoice are getting at the end of the started

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the

55:23

or a job what the hell are you doing here

55:26

and i've on them to about mitt ike

55:28

mitt sent job like the agenda earlier this week and

55:30

gonna said you said you the show here you do

55:32

you pointed you point is where we need to be you

55:35

are you take a lot of pressure office in terms of

55:37

delivering the goods on what went down this week

55:39

way that the hearing was like three weeks ago

55:41

and i'm afraid of seems like it was of course

55:43

but ah first first question as

55:46

after you are gonna give us some a background

55:48

in your suffer smallest ah is the

55:50

as is judge freeman the mvp this week oh

55:52

gods are just quick into like at

55:54

i am a business litigation attorney in florida

55:57

i don't practice in california i do not practice

55:59

anti

55:59

the law because the companies that

56:02

care about antitrust law or the same companies that can

56:04

pay their lawyers thousands of dollars an hour to

56:06

argue about antitrust laws know

56:08

it's crucial that i did you guys over

56:10

the context that i'll be critical of what i saw

56:12

from an advocacy standpoint for me

56:14

loitering standpoint but i'm not going to be

56:16

overly critical of the credentials or qualifications

56:19

or complements of lawyers who we saw arguing

56:21

this week is all of them are far smarter from

56:23

yum and and far more experienced i

56:26

think where were you know what was important to begin

56:29

on tuesday that yarrow hearing temporary

56:31

restraining order what's distinguish

56:33

between what we saw on tuesday and then what

56:36

it means for the overall case rights motion

56:38

for temporary restraining order there's

56:41

essentially the opening salvo of what is

56:43

going to be a years long legal battle

56:45

unless the with the iconic

56:47

on the live lawyers would players lawyers at

56:50

dismisses case and try sort of or somewhere

56:52

else this is the

56:54

only question that was before the judge was

56:57

can tailor gooch matt jones

56:59

and hudson swofford play at least three pockets

57:01

the first the three four kids these poor boys

57:03

can they play off on on

57:06

thursday at this weekend fedexcup that's

57:08

it and so from there it

57:11

it has implications for the larger case because you

57:13

have to get a little bit into the weeds of what's

57:15

the likelihood of success of the merits of

57:17

the overall suit will be to make a decision for the judge

57:20

by what we saw on tuesday was just

57:22

the very very narrow issue of

57:25

those guys play your question about

57:27

the

57:28

george friedman the goat mvp

57:30

i mean soup she certainly had a very good

57:32

grasp of the facts and more

57:35

than that the steaks i thought

57:37

the her grasp of what

57:39

it meant even though as a smaller

57:41

issue of the smaller issue for the

57:43

players because it was limited to only

57:45

those three players that for the tour you

57:48

know head the judge granted that

57:50

your emotion and centrally told the players there's

57:52

no recourse the tour has no recourse

57:54

if you want to play in both sides

57:56

that would have been a nuclear bomb for the tour

57:59

the well her her understanding of

58:01

fact and what was at stake was was very

58:03

good to see what i don't want to gloss

58:05

past that because with the timeline in which this

58:07

was brought to her attention and they made the car

58:10

joke to start off the hearing was basically like she

58:12

had this weekend the weekend and rolling

58:14

into tuesday on top of what i would imagine

58:16

a very to be a very full docket and schedule

58:19

as and how i do minute

58:21

you some posts on our message board that was kind of gone through

58:23

the play by play as well how not easy

58:25

it is to get this in front of a federal

58:27

judge and express the emergency

58:29

that was at stake here which is the three poor

58:31

kids might have he able to play the fedexcup

58:34

so in several court in much

58:36

like i mean and steak or two but especially in federal court

58:38

you are not entitled to a hearing on

58:40

anything i'm certain local rules mission

58:42

a civil trial especially in so yes it was

58:45

also distinguish between civil and criminal criminal there

58:48

are , constitutional to process

58:50

concerns are still due process and a simple

58:53

simple well but in federal court

58:55

you often don't get hearings on hearings

58:58

you know you can submit i can summon emotion

59:00

my opponent will submit a response and

59:02

then we might i hear anything for months and then one

59:04

day we get an order in our inbox and that's

59:06

that's what it is a you can always request a

59:08

hearing but they're they're not they're

59:11

given and then more than that

59:13

for the judge to give them a hearing and

59:15

to give them a hearing within several days and then

59:17

to understand that she had to make a decision to

59:19

a day and in in in fact

59:21

she roots in the bench which is also

59:24

quite rare that

59:27

it goes and will get into this but he goes to the

59:29

advocacy the quality the advocacy for

59:31

the planes attorneys your tongue as a judge

59:34

that it is such an emergency that you

59:36

hear what i have to say the

59:39

you tube you have to have a very cogent

59:41

and persuasive argument if you're going to tell

59:43

a judge clear your entire calendar so

59:46

you can hear what i have to tell you and that see

59:48

to make this decision on behalf of these of

59:50

these pointers on and so it

59:52

kind of goes into the plants argument just brilliant not

59:55

being particularly persuasive and the asks not

59:57

being

59:59

which new york

59:59

in and the plaintiffs have

1:00:02

to what what did they have to prove

1:00:04

right i hear irreparable harm

1:00:06

was it was used a lot and i was i get i'm

1:00:08

not a things go but i was for one i

1:00:10

found this entire hearing to be incredibly entertaining

1:00:13

one because i think it was like this the culmination

1:00:15

of pretty much everything we've talked about on the show

1:00:17

for the last two years of watching this

1:00:19

debate happen in real life and

1:00:22

watching the lawyers argue their side and and

1:00:24

things like that but i was surprised

1:00:26

i guess that before the lawyers

1:00:28

had even presented their cases based solely

1:00:30

on those the complaint was filed by the

1:00:33

live attorneys on and a response

1:00:35

was father that he did a tour attorneys as well

1:00:37

that the judge walked in and basically said

1:00:39

like i don't really see irreparable harm here to

1:00:41

start with before even have tried your

1:00:43

case here i the first five minutes

1:00:45

is a lecture it was she just was it's and

1:00:47

i've at the command i guess

1:00:49

i was also just in all of

1:00:53

the command that she had over the case

1:00:55

it had gonna just come to her desk and

1:00:57

her ability to ah ability don't

1:00:59

wanna say pay attention to the whole thing but

1:01:01

to understand the the i

1:01:04

literally every single word that was going on at they

1:01:06

going away demean seven c or seventy here like

1:01:08

bubble blood to be able be run the show she

1:01:10

could have made the case us both case plaintiff

1:01:12

and defense case better than either this attorneys

1:01:15

tested as true i mean it's very

1:01:17

likely that

1:01:18

the judge freeman is either a golfer herself

1:01:20

or she has a golfer on her law clerk

1:01:22

staff whose been following this or someone in

1:01:24

her social circles this

1:01:27

is a big golfer professional golf fan and could

1:01:29

give her some background on this aren't she's also

1:01:31

very smart you know she most federal judges

1:01:34

are she went to harvard law

1:01:36

school and she's probably a very adept

1:01:38

at speed reading at this point she has a

1:01:40

team of law courts and would give her really the

1:01:43

the mean potatoes of what's needed to know that could get

1:01:45

kind of read through the hundred and

1:01:47

six page complaints and the motion for tomorrow

1:01:49

and then the thousand plus pages of exhibits that

1:01:51

were filed with both of those but not the

1:01:53

footnotes by i'm certainly not knowing my

1:01:56

idols says you know i don't read

1:01:58

my oh i know if you are a so so

1:01:59

gibson dunn was on the plaintiffs

1:02:03

right now is the place at one of the likes give

1:02:05

other five firms are better than

1:02:07

dan quinn a manual i know

1:02:09

things are mckenzie told it's a big dick

1:02:11

players and co nord under

1:02:13

beds kind of

1:02:15

what was so quinn a manual is

1:02:17

is known as a litigation powerhouse

1:02:19

but they do therefore serves

1:02:21

always big you know cool cool

1:02:24

big law or whites you law firms they're

1:02:26

all made up of very very good lawyers

1:02:28

very experienced players that are near the partners

1:02:31

that are gonna be the ones that are actually with a getting these cases

1:02:33

i mean the since it's do a lot of legwork

1:02:35

and won the drafting research but it's always gonna

1:02:37

be a partner that's quite

1:02:39

experience and particularly in antitrust law because

1:02:42

it's such a niche practice area and

1:02:45

and it's so there's there's only

1:02:47

really like a handful of big

1:02:49

firms that really

1:02:51

partners qualified enough to to handle these

1:02:53

sorts of but i guess based on like

1:02:55

the people i've talked to like it's

1:02:58

it's shocking all the lawyers are eating out

1:03:00

in like all here's here's my to us his class hearts

1:03:02

and suffering through some alarm come sit

1:03:04

with something through some of that bill haley

1:03:06

i know like give

1:03:08

you are each other like hey like ritual brass

1:03:10

is on the he's on the kind

1:03:13

of the second or third chair for gibson

1:03:15

dunn on this case she's practices

1:03:18

in san francisco she's extremely

1:03:20

well qualified she probably is argued

1:03:22

in front of this judge before and seemingly

1:03:24

the guy that the they had arguing

1:03:27

the case started falling

1:03:29

off two weeks ago and

1:03:31

you don't like a little i thought he was gonna talk

1:03:33

his way into his a the plaintiffs going

1:03:35

to federal prison i don't either but i thought it was

1:03:37

i was a terrible for five other way that

1:03:39

poorly for certainly not something that he and his partners

1:03:42

or or glad was on video it's put it that way

1:03:44

i mean

1:03:45

here

1:03:46

there's a what are you asking a previous questions

1:03:48

all that i can want to back up his organ

1:03:50

the plane to the so

1:03:52

it goes back to what is at stake

1:03:55

in this hearings and rob walters

1:03:57

was the attorney for the point of that was argument he

1:03:59

is not act the in a board california

1:04:01

lawyer he is born in texas in d c

1:04:03

so they actually flew him out to california to

1:04:05

make this arguing which was a little bit surprising

1:04:07

because he said to the judge

1:04:10

i don't yeah not much of a golfer and it's like

1:04:12

yeah we know because you don't think he did

1:04:14

you even of the fedexcup little the one thing

1:04:16

that you are so desperate for your clients

1:04:18

to plan you don't know that it's

1:04:20

three tournaments and not one you

1:04:22

don't you he very obviously mixed up

1:04:24

the arnold palmer invitational and the memorial

1:04:27

by saying the a piazza know how like how

1:04:29

many lawyers play golf and you could you found the want

1:04:32

to assert that one died argue the gulf

1:04:34

days that doesn't play golf i mean it

1:04:36

was it was

1:04:37

it was a little bit surprising on that

1:04:39

front to like to to seem like that was

1:04:41

the weirdest part about the beginning of it was

1:04:44

the the plaintiffs are trying to argue

1:04:46

how like third basically what the tours

1:04:48

than trying to tell us about the said ex cup for the last

1:04:50

sixteen years with your we like you guys

1:04:52

don't understand propose the superbowl and the

1:04:54

kentucky derby and the m b a

1:04:56

finals all rolled into one of this is

1:04:58

as big as a dad's a man so

1:05:01

good too because like the tour or the other

1:05:03

side is is like all judge

1:05:05

like we have no chance look at how many these

1:05:07

big names that such as , happy

1:05:09

with their v of an awfully like that it's

1:05:12

so for easy those to go back

1:05:14

for that each other but such a little bit above persuasive

1:05:16

advocacy because when you are in the judges courtroom

1:05:19

your there is an invited just and

1:05:21

the judge has primarily going to rely

1:05:23

on the written briefings throughout the

1:05:26

entire case doesn't matter what topic is in front

1:05:28

of the judge but not the footnotes footnotes footnotes

1:05:31

yeah so you always have to be

1:05:33

very cognizant that whatever you put

1:05:35

in writing is going to be the most persuasive

1:05:37

things and when you are in court for

1:05:39

a hearing you're there to answer the judges questions

1:05:42

period

1:05:43

the most persuasive advocacy is one a judge

1:05:45

like what happened in this case judge freeman opens

1:05:47

a hearing by saying here's the way i'm

1:05:49

leaning these are the concerns i have

1:05:52

this is what i want you to talk to me about and

1:05:54

then for both and this goes to the tours

1:05:56

where to for going to be like i have a sixty pays

1:05:58

powerpoint slides out

1:05:59

let's go to page forty you it's like what

1:06:02

dot guys the judge

1:06:04

said she was concerned about

1:06:06

you know what's this pick a topic she's

1:06:08

concerned about the group boycott aspect

1:06:11

of antitrust once i saw exactly are

1:06:14

you to get up there and not immediately start answering

1:06:16

those questions her satisfaction because

1:06:18

you want to be so stuck to your notes on

1:06:21

that you can just start talking yourself in circles

1:06:23

and and this the same thing happened to fiji

1:06:25

tours where to elite peters who again

1:06:28

california lawyer the year fears like

1:06:30

very very qualified lawyers who

1:06:33

should know better than to just

1:06:35

get completely stuck to their notes because they don't

1:06:38

have the subject matter expertise in one have the

1:06:41

the the business the inherent business knowledge

1:06:43

about how these connections are made

1:06:46

within the golf landscape to say judge

1:06:49

taylor groups if he doesn't play this week he's

1:06:51

not going to get another chance to play in

1:06:53

the majors and that's what's irreparable don't

1:06:55

focus don't the fact the took office money to put

1:06:57

to not plane the fedex cups because that

1:06:59

is something you can quantify but maybe but

1:07:02

maybe i'm closer to winning argument would

1:07:04

have been if you ever played this week

1:07:06

he may not ever play in another major because

1:07:08

of the way the the bdr works because

1:07:10

of all the other opportunities he's not going to get

1:07:12

and they a domino effect vendors just

1:07:14

strictly monitored correct but because he doesn't

1:07:17

understand because the word and understand how those

1:07:19

connections are made he didn't ever have

1:07:21

a chance of making a persuasive argument on that

1:07:23

front and so you get back to okay

1:07:25

well what am i note say something about jack nicklaus

1:07:28

some about a p i something about the superbowl

1:07:31

or near georgia of the officer

1:07:33

the poor boys are not will play next week not

1:07:35

a persuasive argument so fat

1:07:37

fat forward a little bit obvious of

1:07:40

a

1:07:40

the

1:07:41

were denied or i don't even know which way that

1:07:43

goes they they weren't able to play obviously the not

1:07:45

what would have had what would have happened if they

1:07:47

were able to play as far as the other guys who were

1:07:49

not part of the suit zeb as good as like set

1:07:52

the precedent or is that just strictly

1:07:54

like those three are allowed to play because they want

1:07:56

in court at is how would that work so it would

1:07:58

have been those

1:07:59

three would have been allowed to play this week

1:08:02

but then going forward until the

1:08:05

end of the case that would have

1:08:07

been the law of the case so

1:08:09

the and and so any other players that

1:08:11

were thinking about considering jumping to live would

1:08:13

have been able to do so and then also play

1:08:15

in tour events at least while the tendency of

1:08:17

litigation was going on because the judges

1:08:19

said are essentially i think it

1:08:22

it would be irreparably harmful and will go

1:08:24

back to so you wanna talk about elements

1:08:26

and will get into that but it would be so it would be

1:08:28

so egregiously harmful a

1:08:30

real partners will harm for these players

1:08:32

not be able play in the fedexcup or in

1:08:34

any other pj tour events and

1:08:37

and this case we're going to go on for several years most

1:08:39

likely and so it would have been

1:08:41

a nuclear bomb on the tour and

1:08:43

i think that the judge understood that

1:08:46

i'm not saying that see kind of

1:08:48

back toward her decision making but i think she

1:08:50

was approaching it from the from the place of

1:08:53

the worst outcome for these would against without

1:08:55

even getting a toward the tours actual

1:08:57

response lawsuit yet rights they only

1:08:59

responded to the motion for temporary soon more

1:09:01

they have a certain are turned twenty one days sixty

1:09:04

they accept service to respond to the complaint

1:09:06

itself they'll

1:09:08

probably do by motion to dismiss and

1:09:11

the judge was very clear she was not going

1:09:13

to get into the me of the anti

1:09:15

trust issues which she thinks me

1:09:17

be a close call so

1:09:20

for her to rule in this way to say you

1:09:23

know for know we're just going to keep the status

1:09:25

quo the way it is was

1:09:28

kind of i think where she was approaching it from and then

1:09:30

reverse engineering the legal argument to

1:09:32

get there

1:09:33

i don't know if i realized the guess the stakes

1:09:35

in terms of how

1:09:37

much downstream much downstream this ruling would have had

1:09:39

i guess i kinda thought this was about

1:09:41

the three guys playing the playoffs and that if anybody

1:09:44

else want to play anything else they would have had

1:09:46

to sue on different grounds

1:09:48

in a different

1:09:49

way but you're saying that if if this would have

1:09:51

passed the precedent if you

1:09:53

will it's probably not the right right well guy would

1:09:55

have allowed either pave

1:09:58

the way for everyone else to play whatever event they

1:10:00

would have wanted or you would have seen a lot

1:10:02

more players joining live and

1:10:04

then move the out either filing similar

1:10:06

lawsuits or moving for

1:10:08

leave of court to add themselves as loss

1:10:11

as or litigants to the lawsuit on

1:10:13

the the players that resigned the

1:10:15

not have the same argument because they gave

1:10:18

the gave up their membership but a player like came smith could

1:10:20

look at that and say well as long

1:10:22

as a lawsuit going on i'm

1:10:24

in be able to play both so i'll

1:10:26

just throw my name of ya move leaves a

1:10:29

the join isn't as an intervenor

1:10:31

able to get technically been intervene or but as

1:10:34

another plaintiff in the lawsuit

1:10:35

in order to preserve his rights do the same

1:10:37

thing quick update zaki bobby just one

1:10:39

eleven and nine hell has such just

1:10:42

couldn't decide avila that's unbelievable

1:10:45

i , pissed when the job your sarcasm

1:10:47

strays yeah they were they were fired

1:10:50

shots offered zone dear john deere

1:10:52

that the be of i read nelson with

1:10:54

more power to even shit oliver kraeger

1:10:56

as i think the of yeah

1:10:59

like like it was it was also cutters

1:11:03

impressed upon me i'm like oh shit this is like

1:11:05

very very immediate

1:11:08

effect the like when when i heard hudson

1:11:11

swofford and it

1:11:13

was it that has heard until goods are like

1:11:15

down the street like waited us waiting

1:11:18

from iran memphis yeah and it's like

1:11:20

do like they were going to the ring of tuesday they are going

1:11:22

to show up and like

1:11:24

the raging you're practice like an nine have rights

1:11:26

lubin i mean it's a be easier to

1:11:28

armchair this and say that you know there

1:11:30

was the the puget or

1:11:32

players have a pretty good argument and they might

1:11:34

on some of these issues but

1:11:36

we also includes very very difficult to get

1:11:39

a temporary restraining order it's it's

1:11:41

a

1:11:42

what's called extraordinary relief i mean the

1:11:44

judges approach it from the position of

1:11:46

you're not going to get this unless you can prove

1:11:49

that you have an injury

1:11:51

that cannot be compensated by money

1:11:53

period injunctive relief

1:11:55

is there's is there's relief

1:11:57

which is money damages and then there's equitable really

1:12:00

and as an equitable relief meaning that you

1:12:02

have to show that money cannot compensate you

1:12:05

if you lose arm

1:12:07

or i'm sorry if you win and

1:12:09

so the reason why it you

1:12:11

know sheath the judge gonna came in guns

1:12:13

blazing i'm against of

1:12:15

the plan was to say the you know i think that you have serious

1:12:17

concerns with your downstream case and

1:12:20

i and i have to look at those issues to make to make

1:12:23

today so i want to hear about

1:12:25

how you're going to overcome those issues and

1:12:27

we just never really got while the arguments

1:12:29

in the plans about that i'm and

1:12:31

in the other thing is the plainest bears the burden

1:12:33

of persuasion said what that means is the

1:12:35

point of has to prove their case the defendant

1:12:38

does not have to disprove the plaintiffs case

1:12:40

they have to poke holes in it if they think that the

1:12:42

planes cases really good and that they the

1:12:45

force we made their case but the most persuasive

1:12:47

thing the tour lawyers get a don't have it could

1:12:49

have to basically stood up and said well

1:12:52

to himself i recognized where's

1:12:55

foiling around doesn't know anything about this

1:12:57

makes three or four good rebuttal points directly

1:13:00

address some of the judges questions the other side

1:13:02

with what you want to get in and then sit

1:13:04

down and don't say anything more because the longer you

1:13:06

talk the more you're going to invite questions

1:13:08

from the judge which really almost got

1:13:10

the tour lawyers in trouble with the timeliness

1:13:13

issue and and the suspensions issue

1:13:15

take me to worthless as go back to the

1:13:17

the plane as for now what is what's the most

1:13:20

compelling argument that they made

1:13:22

gear and on of that's a good mood fridge way

1:13:24

into saying

1:13:26

what is what is at

1:13:28

what what is the deciding factor here what what caused

1:13:30

the decision to end up being when

1:13:32

it was as by two different questions both

1:13:34

so the journal

1:13:36

the most compelling argument was really

1:13:38

kind of made but the judge but

1:13:40

it was the tour was inconsistent

1:13:43

with how it applied it's own bylaws in

1:13:45

order to arrive at a suspension

1:13:48

for this the three players that were that yarrow

1:13:50

plants mean basically tor

1:13:52

used to parallel

1:13:54

mechanisms and it's bylaws in order

1:13:57

to affectionately suspensions and

1:13:59

the

1:13:59

these are saying the judge was kind of agreeing with them that

1:14:02

the tour was not very clear and how

1:14:04

it communicated how was applying the laws

1:14:06

to tailor gooch in particular and

1:14:09

that taylor was taylor

1:14:11

understood the

1:14:14

suspension mechanism any appeal process critically

1:14:16

the appeal process to to be one thing

1:14:18

where they peel would essentially stay or

1:14:20

invalidate the suspension until

1:14:23

the actual appeal was heard and decided

1:14:26

and the pg torso no torso no no

1:14:28

used one section to punish you

1:14:30

for essentially conduct unbecoming

1:14:32

and another section to punish you by putting you on probation

1:14:35

for being a repeat offender of the rules by

1:14:37

constantly playing in these events without

1:14:39

releases and under that

1:14:41

ladder section there is no appeal

1:14:43

of the suspension or there the

1:14:46

bill bryson there's no stay of the appeal

1:14:48

of the suspension and that's why you can't play

1:14:50

this week and

1:14:52

the really that was kind of the most compelling argument

1:14:54

that was made arm and the

1:14:56

judge seem like the tour lawyer have struggled

1:14:59

to get that point across the it lost

1:15:01

me in that part and i'm of com current rig

1:15:03

i say or do you have spun a web that

1:15:05

i'm very confused and now the point

1:15:07

was made much clearer in the brief which

1:15:10

goes back to say about the brief being the more

1:15:12

persuasive arguments and the longer the tour

1:15:14

lawyer ellie peter stood there and talked the more

1:15:16

he invited these questions yet rights like

1:15:19

you can't stand up and and and this was a

1:15:21

nosing into the judge said what i'm really concerned

1:15:23

about i can't exactly remember what the issue

1:15:25

was it was one of the minor antitrust issues

1:15:27

more more minor antitrust issues and

1:15:29

is owed whole judge i'm going to get

1:15:31

there i believe me i can't wait to talk about that

1:15:33

but slippery don't want to talking about about yeah

1:15:36

just like the judges asked his tell you this

1:15:38

is the thing i care about don't grandstand

1:15:40

yeah and you're standing here because your your

1:15:42

client is sitting at the table paying you

1:15:44

an awful lot of money to be here and

1:15:47

you want to give them a show i understand

1:15:49

that that's the case but the more persuasive fc

1:15:51

is always just to answer the question that

1:15:53

asked immediately and then stop

1:15:55

hawking

1:15:57

when you're winning the only thing you can

1:15:59

gain by talk the is more questions that

1:16:01

are going to poke holes in your own arguments your

1:16:03

he won before he walked in that day and

1:16:06

it didn't get any better for the plaintiffs while

1:16:08

he was he was sitting there kind of like man

1:16:10

spreading you know i use denying weight

1:16:12

is often enough is a lot of visual

1:16:14

like students during federal fucking

1:16:16

court like sit there with your hands class

1:16:19

with you at your desk and pay attention yeah

1:16:21

means whatever will have on the backend

1:16:23

those because there's you

1:16:25

know like because they didn't get this

1:16:27

this trl

1:16:29

that are the civil case on the back end these

1:16:32

guys are a party to does is create

1:16:35

liability for the tour like on the

1:16:37

backend to where monetary

1:16:40

damages to were goojje jones

1:16:43

these guys the fact that they didn't get into this event

1:16:45

that how the clock is ticking now

1:16:48

and like they can kind of

1:16:50

the whole up these these fines

1:16:53

or these you know these lot lost wages

1:16:55

potentially i mean it's it's a fine line for the

1:16:57

point of to tread because they also

1:17:00

that the judge denied the temporary restraining

1:17:02

order without prejudice to seek a preliminary

1:17:04

injunction which is another it's

1:17:06

essentially a a temporary restraining order

1:17:09

but with more facts and evidence

1:17:11

it's it's an it's it's still injunctive relief and

1:17:14

the elements are very very similar and you still

1:17:16

have to prove that you have no adequate remedy

1:17:18

adequate law ak money damages so

1:17:22

in order to obtain injunctive

1:17:24

relief down the road to have to kind of tread a fine line

1:17:26

between what they believe they can

1:17:28

be compensated for what they don't i

1:17:31

mean this case you know ultimately will

1:17:33

probably come down to a

1:17:35

definitely will come down to whether the anti

1:17:37

trust your ,

1:17:40

as far as like a group boycotted the you talked about

1:17:42

that with will or will last week i mean that's

1:17:44

probably like the tour or the the

1:17:47

live plants best argument under

1:17:49

the sherman antitrust act which can i normally antitrust

1:17:51

law can't emphasize enough and to clarify

1:17:53

just a small we just heard it sounded like the

1:17:55

judge was like

1:17:57

like put a bookmark on that like i'm rate

1:17:59

how that com

1:17:59

there's want to get to we're not going talk about this today

1:18:02

but like select less love of

1:18:04

of yeah that seems like a there might be something

1:18:06

there was

1:18:07

will discuss that in the future because i can take a lot

1:18:09

longer it it will in a provides and

1:18:11

so the using about the the end of the

1:18:14

hearing which i did not get to watch i believe to

1:18:16

pick my daughter ups i was kind of following through

1:18:19

on that later but i think she made the

1:18:21

point

1:18:22

the you

1:18:24

you the parties can either try to litigate

1:18:27

this case or fast track within like a year

1:18:29

or going to be to plus years before this gets

1:18:31

a trial and ordinarily

1:18:34

on the plane if one wants to get the case to trial

1:18:36

as fast as possible or in almost every circumstance

1:18:39

but in this case after this ruling they probably

1:18:41

don't and it's kind of reversed and so

1:18:43

what i thought might happen is that tore

1:18:45

would file a motion to dismiss which they probably still

1:18:47

will do in response the actual

1:18:50

complaints but it's an interesting strategic

1:18:52

thought process because they could you say you know what

1:18:55

we don't want dragons only longer we have a judge's

1:18:57

on our side and the sooner we answer

1:18:59

the complaint sooner we provide a response it's not

1:19:01

moving to get rid of it the sooner we

1:19:03

can start discovery the sooner we can start this case management

1:19:05

deadlines and was fast track to sing trial

1:19:08

and also makes a lot harder for

1:19:10

the plaintiffs to voluntarily dismiss the

1:19:12

case and go form shop elsewhere so that

1:19:14

the dwarves guy an interesting strategic your

1:19:16

analysis to go through as like that's was asked

1:19:19

about a white why the

1:19:21

northern california is that just somewhere

1:19:23

that has been done in historically

1:19:26

friendly to anti trusts or or

1:19:28

well it

1:19:29

it's an interesting place to be because there is a lot

1:19:31

of interest litigation goes on there to the south on

1:19:33

our yes but i'm a and

1:19:35

it's also you would think are typically

1:19:38

more liberal judges of which judge freeman

1:19:40

is an obama appointee and thus as on to say

1:19:42

that she's keep your politic not

1:19:44

about i am sport as

1:19:47

seat you know seems

1:19:49

the she personally has actually made some some

1:19:52

antitrust rulings that would have been kind of more

1:19:54

make your favor of google or something about

1:19:56

one but you know i would've thought that there were been

1:19:58

a few the places that might

1:20:01

have made a lot of sense going to sir california would be one

1:20:03

a southern district of new york where new york

1:20:05

city is would then it would have been another the district

1:20:07

of delaware which one of dozens

1:20:10

litigation happens there and yeah

1:20:12

maybe like the decision

1:20:15

just or colombia where you have like very

1:20:17

know can i fling federal judges that are well

1:20:19

versed in federal law especially that

1:20:21

trust also known discover any kind of

1:20:23

made sense i saw of using a why these

1:20:26

two year the tour in florida well because

1:20:28

they would get home field it is most likely

1:20:30

in the middle does your for plus there's not a lot and i trust

1:20:32

litigation the goes on in jacksonville or

1:20:34

tampa orlando so it's not exactly like

1:20:36

a place where you're going to be likely to drop

1:20:38

a a good judge has have that much of a grassley

1:20:41

as on that front like what's the so

1:20:43

what stairs

1:20:44

we you time i like venue shopping

1:20:46

you're talking about what would need to happen

1:20:48

with they need to come with a different

1:20:50

lat like a different class of guys that have a class

1:20:52

of plaintiffs with the same issue

1:20:54

or you don't like space we dismiss

1:20:57

it in that case and then help you know

1:20:59

how is this is this judge freeman's case

1:21:01

until further notice right

1:21:03

a

1:21:04

that's because it seems like a felt

1:21:06

like that was a bad draw for them right it's

1:21:08

it's her case and less the point of dismiss

1:21:11

it voluntarily and then they can refile anywhere

1:21:13

else so there's under several subset

1:21:15

of so procedural forty one you can the

1:21:17

players can dismiss it

1:21:19

and it doesn't operate as

1:21:21

what's called an adjudication on the merits as long

1:21:23

as they do so before and

1:21:25

answers filed essentially thurs know

1:21:27

there's no precedent and set at

1:21:29

all it's is the is this is whites are completely off

1:21:31

the fleet other than what people would you

1:21:34

know any other like pre determined

1:21:36

or thoughts are by sees the any judge

1:21:38

would have knowing what this case about but it but in

1:21:40

effect know it would it would be

1:21:42

as be as a clean slate and then the other thing

1:21:45

that to discouraged this you know they say

1:21:47

i'm before the point of can proceeded

1:21:50

with a different case they have to pay the attorney's

1:21:52

fees for the other side which for a lot

1:21:54

of would kids would be

1:21:56

the essentially impossible to

1:21:58

pay you know for hundreds the dollars

1:22:00

thirty years

1:22:02

findings gave us a reason

1:22:04

there's no to learn to type there

1:22:06

that's crazy like reading about these law firms like

1:22:09

the again no harper

1:22:11

or that one

1:22:13

at that elliot the checker venice

1:22:16

and ps like he only he was he was

1:22:18

lance armstrong's attorney like the

1:22:20

corner manual like they're there

1:22:22

basically you on mosques attorneys

1:22:24

are they after twitter very serious law firms

1:22:27

affairs here is very smart lawyers arm

1:22:29

who absolutely know what they're doing which

1:22:31

is again why want to preface this by saying that my critics

1:22:33

are of the has some that i saw not

1:22:36

of their capabilities as lawyers because the

1:22:38

drafting is incredible and these cases

1:22:40

it's the drafting is actually quite persuasive for both

1:22:42

sides but it to me was this

1:22:45

is again not to speak to the larger antitrust

1:22:47

case antitrust is coming down the down the road

1:22:50

it just felt like what issue that lawyer

1:22:52

start talking to lives as lives do they are that's are pretty

1:22:54

damn we case right case right is pretty easy

1:22:56

for the tor to say like that they they

1:22:59

like straight up took all this extra money

1:23:01

they'd they'd the extra money that they were paid

1:23:03

to go to live with the help offset

1:23:05

knowing that they were gonna not be able to play

1:23:07

in this again just felt like a lot

1:23:09

of the live boasting that has gone on

1:23:11

to this point and lot of what has happened

1:23:14

in the success of being able to recruit

1:23:16

all these players made it pretty easy

1:23:18

to shut down like this hardship case

1:23:20

they're trying to drive of all these three poor

1:23:22

boys are get desert the lawyers words

1:23:25

or what i keep say that we don't know that he

1:23:27

said these three poor kids will

1:23:29

be able to play in the fed ex cup playoffs

1:23:31

and it just felt like man it was just kind

1:23:34

of walk through a door for the towards are also an

1:23:36

art thou like the ill at that point with

1:23:38

with the money is like idea there was harm

1:23:41

the money made up for insider up for a

1:23:43

full of well i think but i think they could

1:23:45

have made a better point of like

1:23:47

this in the majors or what this is all about

1:23:49

and this is our last chance to get into him for

1:23:51

next year like that's it is it right here

1:23:54

and you can't replace that with money and that's where

1:23:56

you're saying they spawn this whole web and didn't

1:23:58

focus in on the meat see

1:24:00

of like the if we don't play these we're not going

1:24:02

beyond play in the majors next year yeah that's exactly

1:24:04

right i mean it's it really comes down to being

1:24:06

able to tell

1:24:08

the persuasive story and you

1:24:10

know being able to connect all those dots

1:24:12

witches you know if

1:24:15

if you can if you have to do if you're the point if that's the

1:24:17

one thing you have to do is have a firm

1:24:19

grasp of what's at stake and it never

1:24:21

really felt like what was at stake was

1:24:24

, emergency or with

1:24:26

a real emergency and when you're there

1:24:28

and for the judge saying i'm here because this is an emergency

1:24:30

but i can even tell you like how many tournaments

1:24:33

i wanted to be or plants it

1:24:35

just it it just flat what also

1:24:37

are not front to let's see ah

1:24:42

like why did nicholson file separately

1:24:45

separate a to is a subtle everywhere oh guess

1:24:48

and know could try to sell your personal relations

1:24:50

i question your own i mean i am that's the only

1:24:52

way that we all like elizabeth site was there

1:24:54

a reason why these guys filed

1:24:58

your partner off like a personal lawsuit

1:25:00

versus having live like it is that

1:25:02

creating more flexibility for live down

1:25:04

the line

1:25:05

i don't know dot the lives

1:25:07

live aspect is interesting because i

1:25:10

think bardwell me this point really well it's

1:25:13

it's an op it might be optics problem for live

1:25:15

of the optics for the plans already are not great

1:25:17

because they're like these aggrieved multimillionaires

1:25:20

who are agreed because they took

1:25:22

millions and millions more dollars and now they're upset

1:25:24

that they can't win millions and millions more am

1:25:27

for live i mean it's source

1:25:29

of the money and move you know the backing of

1:25:31

the saudi government of the almost what's worse

1:25:34

potentially are you know live

1:25:36

against a

1:25:38

the american institution for

1:25:40

lack of me as really what is it or is

1:25:42

this is kind of what it comes down to a scan american non

1:25:44

profit every plate exact phrasing

1:25:47

billions of dot i get it again that

1:25:49

it's not necessarily this rosie

1:25:51

but like in court with are going to make their generally pretty heavy

1:25:53

on like we're we're raising billions of dollars have

1:25:56

been on for charities on behalf of these like

1:25:58

and with the backs of these by and to get back to what

1:25:59

using like let's not make the sound like this

1:26:02

was a a great day overall for

1:26:04

the pj torque is it really wasn't so they

1:26:06

can up and down for par i'm the first whole lot

1:26:08

of exact and i i business on this board the

1:26:11

tor does not want to be in a lawsuit with these the

1:26:13

oh okay like they know that they had to know

1:26:15

that this was coming but it's not like they

1:26:17

want to spend a bunch of money on this is no less

1:26:19

coverage is older ones you discovery it's not

1:26:21

like they want this to be a distraction is

1:26:23

alec they want people to be talking about it and it's also

1:26:25

not like they wanted their their lawyer to stand up

1:26:27

and say looks or five top players

1:26:29

the tip of now gone to our competitors like

1:26:32

that's not a good look for you no matter what the

1:26:34

cases and it or to help us win this case but i

1:26:36

it's like ultimately it still looks really

1:26:38

really bad a house on fire little bit

1:26:40

over here which i think my my favorite moment of it

1:26:42

the day might have been the judge seeing

1:26:45

that and then can equipping like a

1:26:48

couple , years maybe you guys could sue them for a to justice

1:26:50

than i was less eliminate ultimately

1:26:52

okay cool either get a pretty clear where

1:26:54

this that is go to the and the reaction of

1:26:57

the action of really peters is to that was exactly

1:26:59

like the selina meyer just some

1:27:01

deeper it's like nervously laughing like wasn't what i

1:27:03

saw exactly

1:27:05

ah on that note though i

1:27:08

think said the one thing the one we've

1:27:10

heard from a bunch of lawyers in and

1:27:12

very

1:27:14

very smart people is a they

1:27:16

probably don't want to go to trial this is

1:27:18

you know i think bardwell with kept saying this last

1:27:20

week i they want to settle they want to settle

1:27:23

they want to settle they want to settle they

1:27:25

would i can't really like wrap my head around his wife

1:27:27

what a settlement even look like this

1:27:29

or me like wet what is this the

1:27:32

common ground or what what can they actually likes

1:27:35

figure out because it just seems like of the

1:27:37

tour gives up an inch or gets kind

1:27:39

of over

1:27:40

kira i don't really know if you

1:27:42

guys have anything that even

1:27:44

add to that but as it's just a day that

1:27:46

kept going through my head all week i mean that the settlement

1:27:49

ninety nine percent of litigation cases is

1:27:52

and it pays the point of the

1:27:54

make a go away i mean whether they do

1:27:56

it because they have actual liability or

1:27:58

because actually doing the wrong whether they do it as business

1:28:01

decisions they pay a bunch of money

1:28:03

and or or know mon emulate who

1:28:05

knows how it shakes out but but ultimately

1:28:07

most of these things are settled and

1:28:10

in this case there's no amount of money that the

1:28:13

that can mix but the no matter

1:28:15

no matter how much money that is you tore can spend

1:28:18

our to try to settle the case it pales in

1:28:20

comparison to what is already on the table

1:28:22

for these guys so a settlements going

1:28:24

to have to be if it is to occur

1:28:27

some sort of some

1:28:30

sort of coexistence where you know they

1:28:32

play on off weeks and the guys could go back and forth

1:28:34

with the guys can play a certain number of live events but then

1:28:36

not play in the patriots were playoffs or whatever the case

1:28:38

may be m and to dj point

1:28:40

that's the untenable for the

1:28:42

tour out because the

1:28:46

tours gonna then loses its best

1:28:48

fields in on on these weeks where

1:28:50

it has tournaments that it

1:28:52

hosting home and would you must plan on and the valley

1:28:54

just he can't stress enough how much of the value

1:28:56

of the pj tourists drive from the collective

1:28:59

bargaining rights saw meteorite it's all is

1:29:01

everything and in media rights can can be

1:29:03

confusing thing for a lot of people that it

1:29:05

it sounds like an f t's but

1:29:07

it's your it's your ability to play

1:29:09

professional is by it's you're playing golf

1:29:11

on television or on some kind of network

1:29:14

for entertainment value and like it's phil

1:29:16

mickelson for the last howard many years could

1:29:18

have played on his own tor he could have made

1:29:20

his own exhibition series and he could

1:29:22

have made a lot of money doing it but the idea

1:29:25

a key got famous on on on free

1:29:27

riding if you will with i'm surprised legal

1:29:30

term i'm very the i thought that was very their

1:29:32

ad libs gotta say ignorance a thing and

1:29:34

, key godly know he's competed with him as

1:29:36

ecosystem for a very long period of time and gotten

1:29:39

a lot of notoriety notoriety

1:29:41

that and it's it's just what makes

1:29:43

it very complicated now one of the things

1:29:45

that the judge said that i

1:29:48

think that the larger discussion here

1:29:50

the still like what is to com and what kind of ground

1:29:52

the puget or stands on from a stands

1:29:54

an antitrust perspective but one thing

1:29:56

she said was significant evidence that live

1:29:58

has not been pro the from entering the market

1:30:01

ah , not a lawyer here

1:30:03

but that felt like a pretty significant

1:30:06

statement in terms of and

1:30:09

i guess amount of i'll ask the question long lines of

1:30:11

have asked you to help me understand what

1:30:14

is anti competitive behavior and what is competitive

1:30:16

behavior at what point is live like a

1:30:18

competitor like a the puget or needs to beat

1:30:21

and what makes their actions legal

1:30:23

verse puts make their actions potentially not

1:30:25

legal

1:30:26

so

1:30:29

in in in an antitrust case that breaking

1:30:31

into the market is often

1:30:34

what what turns

1:30:36

the case right like if if a the

1:30:38

point of if it if a competitor can actually

1:30:41

gain market share through its own

1:30:43

efforts regardless of of those

1:30:45

those efforts are just spending so much money

1:30:47

that it has like nobody has a choice

1:30:49

but to pay attention to it then my

1:30:53

limited understanding of anti trust laws that that

1:30:55

is very very unlikely

1:30:57

that the other party is that the defendant

1:30:59

the torrents cases exerting monopoly

1:31:01

power over the marketplace it

1:31:04

may have the largest or the only market

1:31:06

share and it may do things that pretends

1:31:10

to have a legitimate business business justification

1:31:12

for those things are ineffective at

1:31:14

actually preventing the competitor from entering the space

1:31:16

and taking that market share then it

1:31:18

goes strongly we strongly against are

1:31:21

being an actual anti trust the bible

1:31:23

anti trust coin

1:31:24

wouldn't be also like with doesn't approve

1:31:27

the the that like the torah raising their

1:31:30

vs

1:31:31

they had a true monopoly on things they wouldn't have

1:31:33

to do that

1:31:35

it

1:31:36

and that's where i wade into this this

1:31:38

category of like i i i know what i'm

1:31:41

rooting for in this case in am i trying to see

1:31:43

things through the rosie glasses of i'd i'd

1:31:45

i want i will i think

1:31:47

i want the puget or to be able to say to these guys

1:31:49

you cannot play on the store anymore right because they all comes

1:31:52

crumbling down the whole model comes

1:31:54

coming out of that's not the case now they've

1:31:56

not in even if their acts are

1:31:59

anti compare

1:31:59

they've they've not been able to prevent guys to going to leave

1:32:02

and working for the other employer the whole thing

1:32:04

is like you just can't do both sense

1:32:06

so here's here's the the elements for

1:32:08

a as a section to claim

1:32:11

for attempted monopolization under the sherman antitrust

1:32:13

act once for the defendant has engaged in

1:32:15

predatory or anti competitive conduct

1:32:18

with to a specific intent

1:32:20

to monopolize and three a dangerous

1:32:22

probability of achieving monopoly powers

1:32:24

it's that third element that there's

1:32:27

probably going to be the breaking point

1:32:29

for this case one way or another because if

1:32:31

no matter what anti competitive conduct

1:32:33

the tour puts forth live continues

1:32:36

taking market share it just shows that

1:32:38

even as a tour intended to be a monopoly

1:32:40

intended to exert it's monetary l it

1:32:42

doesn't get there because they they don't

1:32:44

actually prevent the competitor from entering space

1:32:47

i'm sure my nonexistent twitter

1:32:49

will get blown up with anti trust lawyers

1:32:51

after that and but i think that's what

1:32:53

it is i think it's it's more that it

1:32:55

doesn't even the tour intends

1:32:58

to act like monopoly if it doesn't actually prevent

1:33:01

the conundrum wearing a spaceman it's not actually

1:33:03

mop what i think some of it comes out of

1:33:05

like the tourism and nop

1:33:07

sunny which is the market

1:33:09

situation where there's only a buyer a babysitter

1:33:12

a buyer of labor there are seller of labor

1:33:14

and they're the only buyer united

1:33:16

states but

1:33:18

the think that

1:33:19

the movie be ends justify the means right

1:33:22

where the ends are that there's this

1:33:24

market that wouldn't otherwise exist for

1:33:26

these guys meteorite that is worth

1:33:29

billions and billions of dollars ah

1:33:31

for the you know the william were gertz

1:33:33

and the tyler dungeons and all those

1:33:35

guys were making for more money than

1:33:38

they would otherwise sort benefiting

1:33:40

i'm a bit like a a wider

1:33:43

birth of these guys be it's it's

1:33:45

probably hurting some of the top players

1:33:49

that's the reality and

1:33:51

they're getting their through maybe

1:33:53

some you know handsome

1:33:55

monopolistic tendencies

1:33:58

or actions here the and

1:34:00

to justify the means i guess

1:34:02

i think you could see it like that

1:34:05

yeah the i

1:34:08

can't believe this believe this out the level was

1:34:10

for having this conversation by think it's

1:34:12

interest in talking with you this week to adjust

1:34:14

was i thought it was very very very important have

1:34:17

someone on it was able to digest everything

1:34:19

that just happened this week and the

1:34:21

end you know i guess what what else what

1:34:23

else stuck out you from this case that did not was

1:34:25

you know important north kind of signified

1:34:28

what was potentially may be going to happen

1:34:30

down the road yeah so that's when the questions

1:34:32

that was the chemical on message boards just

1:34:35

what does this case look like you know

1:34:37

six months from now twelve months from now i mean it

1:34:39

goes back to whether the tour decides

1:34:42

to be aggressive and it's defense