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1:44

Here is Colt House. Alright. We're in your

1:47

neck of the

1:47

woods. We're in your home, your studio. Thank you for

1:49

letting me in.

1:50

Of course. Thanks for having me been waiting a long

1:52

time to do this. I'm excited we've been talking about

1:54

it for quite some time, but glad we

1:56

can we're here Waste Management this week.

1:58

CBS off to a quick start with a new

2:00

year, if I may say. You like it? It

2:02

is vastly improved. Would you agree that it's vastly

2:04

improved? I'd tell you what, it's very exciting. Everything

2:06

we got coming. Sellers shy has

2:09

done an awesome job. I mean, even

2:11

from last year, I thought went great to

2:13

to this year with the transition, to Trevor

2:15

Inmoman, to having the guys miked up

2:17

now. I mean, which we gotta give huge shout to Max

2:19

Homa. He was a big time involved

2:22

in that, and it was a home run, in my

2:24

opinion. Now Keith Mitchell this past week at

2:26

Pebble, it's it's great. I mean,

2:28

for us golfers, I we kinda know what's

2:30

going on. You got the boom mic there and everything,

2:32

but to hear them take us through

2:34

a shot or what they're thinking about walking down fairways.

2:37

It's just access we've never had before. And

2:39

by the way, we have a win and AT4I

2:41

believe. So I think players are gonna be lining

2:43

up to do this. I would hope so. I would hope so.

2:45

Not I've said this a couple times already.

2:48

It's not game changing. It's not gonna be you're

2:50

not gonna be rolling on the floor laughing. It's not hilarious,

2:52

but it's just engaging. It just brings you right there

2:54

John Lamani calling Keith off the shot

2:56

to come back in and change the number

2:59

on there. Now I'm like super otherwise,

3:01

that golf shot would have just blended in with the

3:03

rest of him, but I'm super engaged

3:04

Oh, no. I'm curious if this is gonna fly the right number,

3:07

and that's Katnet for hardcore golf fans.

3:09

It's it's crazy what's happened in both of these,

3:11

like, Max's ball plugging in the bunker.

3:13

And then he's like, I'm not gonna touch it. I'm not gonna

3:15

roll through. And then John Lamani calling him

3:18

off, like, that's not scripted. Like, we that's

3:20

lucky for

3:20

us. Like having a catty collar player

3:22

off in a situation like that as he's miked up,

3:24

and that's just beautiful.

3:25

And John's not like a let me steal the show

3:28

from the

3:28

guy. He that's the last he would want, probably.

3:30

On a sleep, didn't even know he was

3:32

my god. So what

3:34

is the what is the trip? I've heard and

3:36

read descriptions you've made about your role

3:39

here with Golf Media that you're you're extremely passionate

3:41

about this, which I just I find that interesting as

3:43

a as a professional golfer. Are you still a professional

3:45

golfer? And what has this transition been like

3:47

from professional golf into into

3:49

broadcasting? Yeah. I'm technically still professional

3:52

golfer. I have no interest in playing tournaments.

3:54

know, actually had full status on the Korn Ferry

3:56

Tour this year if I wanted it based on

3:58

playing five straight years on the PGA

4:00

Tour. But with everything going on,

4:02

you know, I don't think it's fair for

4:04

the guys that are trying to make it in Progolf for me

4:06

to go out there and play.

4:07

Even though I earned it, you know, going out there

4:09

and whoever's first alternate probably wouldn't be very happy

4:11

with me when I'd see it up that week. And I get

4:13

that. I'm very focused on all this

4:15

between subpar. Got the SiriusXM

4:18

with gravy and the salizant

4:19

CBS. You know, You're busy.

4:21

That is so much. I am very busy.

4:23

But I love it. You know, I don't really consider it work.

4:25

I mean, I'm talking about the game I love every

4:27

single day, all day. People are meet

4:29

people and they're like, I probably don't wanna talk about golf. And

4:31

I'm like, man, that's what I do. Like, I'm fine with it.

4:34

But I honestly never thought I'd be in this situation.

4:37

I say this all the time, and I use

4:39

the the term athlete very

4:41

loosely. But as athletes, you never you never

4:43

really have a plan b. You know? It's

4:44

just I'm gonna kill it at my sport. And

4:47

then I'm a ride off into the sunset, a very successful

4:49

rich man, and we're gonna be done.

4:51

But that didn't happen for me, obviously, with the injuries

4:53

I had, I chose

4:56

to step

4:56

away. And I I was very fortunate with

4:58

how easy the transition was because it's not like that

5:00

for

5:00

everyone. When did pro golf enter the picture

5:03

for you? I mean, when you when you showed up at

5:05

SMU, it doesn't sound like you thought that was

5:07

where your career was your your path was headed

5:09

to freshman. Not even close. I mean, I didn't pick

5:11

up a golf club till I was thirteen years old.

5:13

Seriously? And I grew up, yeah, in a in a small

5:16

country town called Pilot Point, Texas. Don't

5:18

have golf course. Five thousand people in the

5:20

whole town. I mean, I have eighty nine people in my high school

5:22

class. I joke and say, eighty eight numbers

5:24

still there. I was the only one that got

5:26

out. But, you know, going

5:28

to SMU was so

5:30

lucky. I got an email from the coach. Very

5:33

late. I got two recruiting I've

5:36

scheduled two recruiting trips because of my

5:38

golf coach Randy Smith who works with Scotty Sheffler he

5:40

is like a dad to me. I've known him forever.

5:42

He talked teams into looking at me, got a

5:44

random look from SMU, went down, took

5:46

a visit, Randy was ten minutes down the road.

5:48

I was like, you know what? This is perfect. If I wanna

5:50

do this, like, this is where I should be because if I can see

5:53

Randy at all times, first qualifying

5:55

round, I shoot seventy seven. And I'm like, holy

5:57

shit, I am so far in over my head,

5:59

like, this isn't this isn't good. And

6:02

each day got better, better, better, ended up

6:04

making the first tournament finished top ten,

6:06

never missed a tournament my entire career. But

6:08

it still wasn't until probably my junior

6:10

year in college that I thought I could play professional

6:13

golf. When I finally started to win a few times.

6:15

Then my senior year, obviously, everything clicked.

6:17

I won quite a few times. Playing the Byron Nelson

6:20

when I was in college, and was in contention

6:22

going into the weekend, but it it was

6:24

lot later than most, I would

6:26

say.

6:26

Any wins in that amateur part that were

6:28

of a special note? Yeah. I mean, obviously.

6:31

That whole summer. I mean, starting at the Byron Nelson,

6:33

just every playing in a PGA Tour

6:35

event, going out on the summer trying to make the

6:37

Walker Cup team played great every single week.

6:39

I don't think I finished outside the top ten the entire

6:41

summer. Ernie Keeney, Tripp

6:43

Keeney, and and Hank and Kelly's dad

6:46

told me at the start of the summer, I was gonna win you a

6:47

Sam. And I was just like,

6:49

well, I'm not even in the USA. I

6:52

I hope so. Hope you're right. But, you know, he said

6:54

Olympic club's perfect for me, ended up winning the

6:56

Publix the best part about winning the public

6:58

is not just getting the masters invite, but

7:00

I'd have to go qualify for the USAM in those

7:03

thirty six thirty six old

7:04

qualifiers. Got to Olympic club,

7:06

loved it, and it was just one of those dream

7:08

wakes. So you win the

7:10

USM, and I I don't remember this part of it,

7:12

I guess, but you four fit your major exemptions

7:15

to turn professional. You never got

7:17

to play in the masters by my

7:18

collection. Any do you any any regret in that?

7:20

Why why was why did you turn pro when you did? Yeah,

7:22

you know, at the time, there was no regrets. I mean,

7:24

when I was playing professional golf, I was on the PGA

7:26

tour, everything was great, and I thought I would get

7:28

there

7:28

eventually. For me, I mean, I

7:30

look at it at this. I mean, my stock was never higher.

7:32

Right. I

7:33

was an number one AM in the world. I was coming off a

7:35

win at the at the AM. The Publix went undefeated

7:37

at the Walker Cup. I got

7:39

thrown money that, you Knost, my

7:41

family wasn't poor. They weren't rich.

7:43

I mean, we were we were fine, but it was still

7:46

it was a big difference for me.

7:48

Between staying amateur and Turner pro. Like, my mom

7:50

taken care of me my entire life. It was time for me to

7:52

pay her back a little bit. And so I got starts

7:55

in the fall. That year, I played 3PJ tour

7:57

events that fall. I was like, man, the way I'm playing

7:59

right now, I mean, I can gain contention and possibly

8:01

win and be there anyway. So it

8:03

it was a hard decision. There's no doubt. I mean,

8:06

as a kid. I mean, the one tournament you really remember

8:08

every single year as the masters. And,

8:10

you know, yeah, it hurt that I never played. There's

8:12

no doubt. Now that I go there every year, for

8:15

CBS. It's awesome. Hoping one day

8:17

to be on the main broadcast. We'll see what happens with that,

8:19

but I'll never forget twenty twenty

8:21

one was the first time I ever stepped on property.

8:23

And it was limited patrons. And on Monday,

8:25

I just went out and walked the grounds by myself,

8:27

walked all eighteen olds, went through eighteen, and

8:29

it was cool. And that's probably the first time it

8:32

really hit me, like, hard that I

8:33

was, like, damn, I can't believe I never played in this.

8:36

That's yeah. Well well, I

8:38

now the rules change, right, that they do will they

8:40

do invite the if you've turned

8:42

professional, you

8:42

still have to keep your invite. Aetna, US Open. US Open.

8:45

They do not have the master. Masters is big on that tradition.

8:47

You have to stay amateur. What is how

8:49

common is it for I'm trying I'm trying to think back

8:51

on the years as to who who it feels

8:53

like a rare

8:54

thing. Right? It feels like a usually people wait till

8:56

at least the masters try. Yeah. I believe I mean,

8:58

we would have to go back and check, but I heard the

9:01

only other guy that's done it in the last very

9:03

long time was Tom Shere, who finished runner-up

9:05

to Justin Leonard. At Mirfield village,

9:07

I believe, heat term pro. But I I know

9:09

I was the first guy since him to do

9:11

it. So it does not happen very often. You

9:13

wrote, I believe, in something I saw in

9:15

the something related to SMU. You said if I could go

9:17

back in time until twenty two year old me

9:19

some

9:19

stuff, I think my career path would be totally different,

9:22

but that wouldn't necessarily be a good thing because

9:24

I love everything I've been through and where it's led

9:26

me. That's true.

9:27

What would you tell the the old twenty two year

9:29

old person? Get shit together and stay focused.

9:31

I mean, when I07 and

9:34

then o eight on the Korn Ferry Tour, golf was

9:36

easy for me. Mhmm. III had that great summer

9:38

that I led into corn freight tour. Obviously, I didn't get

9:40

my tour car through q school, but I went on

9:42

the corn freight tour. I went twice and I like, my

9:44

first eight events or something like that. Thinking I

9:46

was gonna get the Battlefield promotion or three win promotion

9:48

as they call it now. And it

9:51

was just easy. I played great. I think I finished seventh

9:53

on the money list that year, got my tour card, and

9:55

I'm like, Here we go. I mean, I'm gonna win

9:57

at least once a year, possibly twice. You

9:59

just keep this thing rolling. And I went

10:01

out there and I got slapped around. Got distracted

10:03

by a lot of things that were going on off the golf course,

10:06

partying having a good time. Didn't

10:08

work as hard as I did. For me before,

10:10

it was Golf twenty four seven. That's

10:12

all it was. And and that's hard to do.

10:14

I don't think that's how you should live your life. I mean, especially

10:17

with if you have family and stuff like that. But

10:20

I would definitely go back and work the way I did

10:22

leading in to getting my PGA Tour card because of

10:24

the first few years was a struggle. You know, I went back

10:26

to the Korn Ferry and then came back. And finally started

10:28

getting comfortable, two thousand fifteen, two thousand sixteen,

10:30

I played to how I thought I should, and

10:32

then I got hurt. But, yeah, definitely

10:35

have some regret of how I handled things early

10:37

on in my career. That's interesting how

10:40

even now today, the way you speak about

10:42

how you played was of such confidence. It's not a cockiness

10:45

that you're saying all this. It's a it was confidence in

10:47

your game at that time. And it

10:49

is I've heard a lot of people say this in

10:51

some of the quotes in the upcoming Net six thing

10:54

reflect that as well as when you're playing well, you never

10:56

think you're gonna hit a bad shot again. And when you're playing bad,

10:58

you never think you're gonna hit a good shot again.

11:00

It's but it's crazy just

11:01

how, you know, how, I guess, fast

11:03

that punch in the face could come. It is. I

11:05

mean, this game can leave you in a hurry.

11:07

I mean, you know, like I said

11:10

for two years, it was as easy as it could be, and then

11:12

it went to be in a real struggle. I love what Max

11:14

Homa said after he won San Diego, how

11:16

he goes, you're just you're just one good swing

11:18

thought away from being good again. It was somewhere along

11:21

lines of that, but I was just like, it's so true.

11:23

And especially at this level where the guys are

11:25

so good. I mean, you watch a guy miss six

11:27

seven cuts in a row by a shot. And you're

11:29

like, oh, he's playing terrible, but he knows

11:32

he's this close to just one little

11:34

tweak could change everything and he can

11:36

go on a run for

11:37

months, possibly a year where he plays Greg

11:39

golf. Are there times in when you're competing

11:41

in PGA Tour events where you're you're

11:43

hitting the ball, you're playing, and you're like, how am I

11:45

how am I t sixty right now? And times

11:48

where you're not hitting it nearly as good and you look up and

11:50

say, how am I t ten right now? I

11:52

feel like there's times where your your game

11:54

can feel so different than what's represented. You

11:56

know, you might think course is playing easy, but really

11:58

reality, it's playing hard. You might think it's playing hard, but

12:00

everyone else thinks it's playing easy. Does your

12:02

performance correlate greatly with what

12:05

place you finish in PGA Tour events?

12:07

Probably not. Yeah. No. But there's there's, like,

12:09

there's certain tournaments. Right? Like, John Deere,

12:11

which everyone is shocked, you know, like, I never

12:14

made a cut at John Deere. And that's a golf

12:16

course that everybody should up well for me and it was one

12:18

of those places I would go through and play and I'd shoot

12:20

two under and I would look up and I'm in fifty

12:22

eighth place and I'm eight back.

12:24

It's like what why do these people find

12:26

this place so easy? I remember one year

12:28

at the Reno Tahoe event where

12:30

I finished third, and I hit it

12:32

so bad. All week. Like, it was unbelievable,

12:35

how uncomfortable I felt, but I could not miss.

12:37

And told my catty John Depp and Porto, I go,

12:39

just get me on the green. I don't care if you have to

12:41

lie about the yardages, somehow get me on the green.

12:44

And I hoped it from everywhere that we can finish

12:46

third. But then there's then there's days,

12:48

like, the game is just so crazy. When I

12:50

I finished third at the players in sixteen,

12:53

I shot sixty three on Friday, hit

12:55

all eighteen greens, and it was one of those days where

12:57

everywhere I drove it, I had an exact

12:59

number. Exact driving range number, eight round one

13:02

fifty five. Seven round one sixty eight. Like, it

13:04

was never in between. It was just one of those days

13:06

where the golf gods were on my

13:07

side, and I was like, Wow. This is just

13:10

there's no not even discussion with my catty

13:12

about what club did hit. And I've

13:14

I without ever a living PGA tour

13:16

life, but just seeing it as close as we

13:18

do. I've said it a million times of there's

13:21

a learning curve too in the

13:23

grind in understanding the week to

13:25

week, the super non glamorous,

13:28

like, well, you know, I just left pebble to come here

13:30

seeing the same dudes on my flight jam and all

13:32

their stuff in their suitcases to go jump another

13:34

flight to go wait on their bags, to go wait for a card,

13:36

to go get to a hotel, to make it to the range,

13:38

to practice learn new grass type, to learn new

13:40

climate. You got bags packed from

13:42

the previous week NLU the next week, like it I

13:45

I never pictured that as a kid. It looked entirely

13:47

different as kid when they lights come on,

13:49

cameras come out, and everyone shows

13:51

up. I thought that it was just super easy

13:53

for you guys. It turns out it's not. It's

13:55

not. I mean, you see Rory's everyone. You see Rory getting

13:57

on his jet, Tiger

13:58

getting on his little jet.

13:59

Obviously, that's way different. But one thing

14:01

I've begged with the TV coverage for years

14:03

is, you know, Obviously, we wanna

14:05

show Jordan Speeth. We wanna show Roy

14:07

McElroy, John Ram. But

14:10

Friday afternoon, the guy's grinding to make

14:12

the cut, I think, is such great TV because

14:14

It means a lot. I mean, we heard John Ram.

14:16

At Tory, he was grinding to make the cut, then almost won

14:18

the golf tournament. Had chance to win golf tournament going

14:21

in. But making the

14:23

cut is such a big deal. That's one thing I hope

14:25

with these designated events in the future, we

14:27

never go away from is having a cut.

14:29

It's I mean, Tiger's cut streak is a

14:31

record that will never be broken. We'll never

14:33

be sniffed in my opinion. But

14:36

it's so cool to watch guys try to fight and make

14:38

the cut. As a guy who lived on it every

14:40

single week, it's the most stressful

14:42

thing in the world, but it makes for great TV

14:44

because just knowing that you have two more

14:47

days, whether it's to work on something or move up that

14:49

leader board. It means a lot and especially, like, for

14:51

the young guys, getting going, just making some money,

14:53

making some FedEx cut points here. It's

14:55

so fun to watch.

14:57

Is it fair, would you classify yourself as a middle

14:59

tier PGA tour player when you're on that Knost?

15:02

Well, so as we enter this

15:04

new phase where the PGA

15:06

Tour is changing. Right? If you were a current

15:08

middle tier member of the PGA Tour, how would you

15:10

feel about how things are changing out

15:12

there? I mean, the money is great. The

15:14

PIP. I I don't know if I'll ever understand the PIP.

15:16

You know, I get taken care of

15:18

the best players in the world, but they get I

15:21

mean, they play the best. They make the most money.

15:23

I'm all for rewarding them, but it's just weird

15:25

how it's it's a hundred million dollars. I mean, that's just

15:27

insane for the top twenty guys. And we

15:29

don't even know how it actually works. Like,

15:32

I would love to a leader board throughout the year, like,

15:34

okay, maximum is in twelfth right now

15:36

on the PIP. You know, Roy Mac Roy is in third.

15:38

Like, how do you how do you make up ground? What do you gotta

15:40

do? So I'm not

15:42

the biggest fan of that. I would I

15:44

mean, I'm all for making the purse as bigger.

15:46

Let's just keep jacking this thing up and and

15:48

play for more money, but I love that like

15:51

this week at W. M. Phoenix Open. Three

15:53

guys, Monday qualified yesterday that

15:55

unless you're a real diehard golfer you've never

15:57

heard of. Okay? You're about to tee

15:59

it up for twenty million dollars

16:01

against the strongest field probably what you

16:03

can possibly have in a regular event. Can you imagine

16:06

if one of those guys somehow found their way into contention

16:08

on the weekend? Nothing would be like, it would

16:10

be so exciting and that crowd would

16:12

be on their

16:12

side. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I love that.

16:15

I think it's so cool. I

16:16

mean, saw it the gauntlet this event last year

16:18

was a lesser name guy. It was a sponsor exemption,

16:20

and there he is in the final group, and probably should

16:22

have won the golf tournament. And

16:24

I I love the underdog story. I

16:26

love giving the middle tier p j tour player

16:28

a

16:28

shot. I hate just pushing

16:30

emphasis. No. Close system. It's it's an

16:32

interesting I don't have an answer for how it should go.

16:35

It's gonna go. It's just an interesting

16:38

I enjoyed talking with you guys about it

16:40

because you've lived it and and it's your livelihood.

16:43

Yet, I am on the entertainment side of it and

16:45

I look at it and

16:45

say, like, It's pretty hard for people at home

16:47

to keep track of a hundred plus players.

16:49

Hundred percent. Yeah. It's really difficult. And I go and

16:51

look at at pebble and I I look down the range

16:53

and I'm like hundred and fifty six dudes so

16:55

many guys for a tournament. Like, when in reality,

16:58

back to the pit part, there's only a a

17:00

certain portion of the guys that are putting butts in the

17:02

seats and are bringing people to the viewers --

17:04

Do

17:04

that. -- on television.

17:05

And that's one thing that I've

17:07

never I don't understand why we don't

17:10

do appearance fees.

17:11

I'd love to hear more on that because I don't

17:14

understand exactly either.

17:15

If I'm three m, okay, Minnesota,

17:19

feels not that great. If they

17:20

wanna give Jordan Speeth a million dollars, John

17:22

Raum a million dollars and Collinmore Cowen

17:24

million dollars complaint. If I'm the eightieth

17:27

ranked player in the world or FedEx cup like

17:29

Why should that bother me? No one's paying

17:31

to come see me. It's not taking money

17:33

out of the purse. It's not affecting me,

17:35

like and if you're Xandr Shofland, he doesn't

17:37

get a million, they didn't want you. Okay. You're gonna get

17:39

your chances down the

17:40

road, but who cares if the sponsor wants to

17:42

go pay these guys to come play their event? I think

17:44

the answer to that would be, and I don't even I guess,

17:46

I don't know how this all shakes out would be the

17:48

tour wanting sponsors to be held

17:51

hostage to have to pay appearance fees. Right?

17:53

If if three m Pony's up

17:55

to pay Jordan, then maybe he doesn't up at this

17:57

event who didn't put and then you gotta pay the sponsor

17:59

fee on top of

18:00

that, and that's so the hard and fast rule. I don't know

18:02

if it's right. But I think you see it as having used like Wells

18:04

Fargo where Rory plays every year. Well, one year they pay them

18:06

in the next year, like, no, we're not gonna pay

18:08

you. Right. Well, then I'm not coming. I okay.

18:10

That makes sense, but it's really very true.

18:12

Every decision is so freaking complicated.

18:15

The tour. I mean, it it was I

18:17

I kinda missed the parts of our job six

18:19

years ago when we didn't know how anything worked. If we

18:21

could just lob shot And then every now and then

18:23

you get somebody like, well, here's why this is oh,

18:25

that makes

18:26

sense. Okay. Well, that makes sense. Okay. Well, that makes

18:28

sense. See,

18:28

I haven't actually heard what you just said about it. Like,

18:30

my out is, Knost pay these guys. Just pay them. It's fine.

18:33

So that's where I you know, I would

18:35

say if, you know, I always

18:37

plug in somebody in somebody. I'll just plug you

18:39

into this for for let's say you're in the field this

18:41

week, you finish tenth, and Roy McElroy

18:43

finishes tenth. You both walk home with the same amount

18:46

of money and you put a different amount of

18:48

butts in the

18:48

seats. That's where the pit pays off for me. That's

18:50

where -- Sure. -- you get about a hundred million?

18:53

No. They ain't not hundred million. No. They ain't paying

18:55

a hundred

18:55

million. That's a lot of money. It's a lot. But

18:57

I think what what's what are total purses are

19:00

in the four fifty plus close to a

19:02

hundred million in FedEx

19:03

cup. So it's, like, fifteen ish percent, twenty

19:05

percent. It's a bit insignificant. It's

19:07

not insignificant. It's a lot. Like

19:09

I said, I just wanna know how it

19:11

works. I wanna see do you

19:12

because you could get involved data,

19:15

and it's not that it's I know I know what they

19:17

add up, but I just wanna see a leader board throughout

19:19

the year. They're like, all of a sudden Knost at the end of

19:21

year, it's like, cool. You finished seven. Why

19:24

did I finish seventh and he finished eighth? Why did I

19:26

finish seventh and he finished third? Like, I would just

19:28

like to know how how it all works and

19:30

because maybe it's coming into the last event of the

19:32

year, someone that's in sixth wants to move up

19:34

to make that extra few million. He does something crazy

19:36

on Twitter, Instagram, Mary Haynes

19:38

at Joel Davis brought it around half naked. It's,

19:41

you know, in a in a time period where, like, retaining

19:43

people on this on the PGA Tour

19:45

would probably be the highest priority. I think it

19:48

I think it it makes sense. I do think I'm surprised

19:50

there's not been more controversy around it though

19:52

of, you know, why did I finish this blah blah

19:54

blah, but kinda part of this Yeah. When

19:56

you're when you're seventy to a hundred, it's just

19:58

like it's a good thing for me.

20:00

I'm just I'm happy to be out

20:01

here. I'm making a very good living. Like

20:04

you said, you're not putting butts in the seats. And

20:06

I I get that sense from most

20:09

of the middle tier guys, but then I read like James

20:11

Hahn on Twitter having very

20:13

different opinion of this. And sometimes

20:15

again, from an outside perspective, I'm like, I get you

20:18

guys live this every week. I and

20:20

you're so incredibly good at golf.

20:22

People at home cannot fathom how good

20:24

Max McGreevey is a golf. I watched him hit balls

20:27

today. I'm like, no one at home would ever fully

20:29

appreciate how good he is yet. At the same time,

20:31

like, golf is an entertainment business

20:33

and the ball I don't know. That

20:35

that that, like, a

20:38

lot of the metal middle tier guys are compensated

20:40

extremely well for what their golf talent

20:42

is in exchange

20:43

for. Does that make sense?

20:44

Hundred percent.

20:44

Yeah. I mean, you know, I

20:46

I laugh nowadays with the equipment companies how

20:48

they're starting to go towards, you know,

20:51

social media people more

20:53

so than a maximum

20:55

gravy guy like does solid.

20:58

Does rigs. I I love bagging on rigs.

21:00

It's so much fun. He's a good buddy of mine, but I'm

21:02

like, does a dude that's wait. Adam

21:04

Long, who's a tailor made guy?

21:06

Does he sell more tailor made drivers? Does rigs?

21:09

Like, I know the answer to that. Yeah. Exactly.

21:11

You know the answer to that. So it it's crazy this

21:13

world we're going in. And I and I always

21:15

laughed, like, the amount of money I got paid from

21:17

the equipment companies I'm with. I'm like,

21:19

Why? Why are they all paying me this?

21:22

Like, I mean, give me free equipment. I'd

21:24

probably be happy, but the fact that you're paying me

21:26

six figures a year is just it's crazy.

21:28

Like, I don't think I don't know if I'm I think the only

21:30

reason they kept me around because I kinda

21:32

swing it like a normal

21:33

guy. So he was like, hey, Colt

21:35

this. I can use this. Well, and that's where it's kind

21:37

of scary might not be the right

21:39

word. But if I'm the tour and I'm looking at like

21:42

view numbers on watching like people

21:44

play golf on YouTube versus like what our

21:46

viewership numbers are for Thursday, Friday. It's

21:48

like, yeah, I mean, the the younger

21:50

generation, it seems to be watching

21:53

doesn't necessarily gravitate towards PGA toward

21:55

golf. We're watching golf on television because they can watch

21:57

it on demand on YouTube. Right? I don't

21:58

and that that's like younger than me. As a

22:00

younger demographic that I even fully understand,

22:03

but it it it

22:05

finally seems like I wanna know from you. Do

22:07

you get the sense talking with Max and talking

22:09

with some of the other guys that have been involved in these meetings

22:11

seems like the light bulbs kinda gone off

22:14

amongst the players that, hey, we need to, like, up

22:16

the entertainment value. That's where the mic'd up stuff

22:18

comes from. Keith and all that. And, like,

22:20

it seems like they're kind of gonna start

22:22

part taking it a little bit

22:23

more. Yeah. You know, you you always want more access.

22:26

Right? And we're starting to get it, obviously. Max

22:28

is a unicorn. He's I mean, it's how he does

22:30

it. He's the best. He never says no. I mean, I know he comes

22:32

on with y'all every time wins. He should say a lot. I

22:34

know. He should say no more often. And he

22:36

never says no to us. He never says no to any

22:38

interview. I mean, doing the miked up thing.

22:41

At Tory, which ended up winning, so worked out

22:43

great. But, you know, if the

22:45

players if they they want us to show

22:47

their story. Right? They want us to get their brand

22:49

out there, Well, they have to be open to doing

22:51

it as well. Like, we can't just

22:54

do it all for you when you give us nothing.

22:56

Like, you do an interview and you give us the lamest

22:58

answers possible. Like, that does

23:00

nothing for you. We can't help spin that.

23:02

Like, we can tell the story all the time of how great

23:04

you are and you do these cool things and all this, but we

23:06

wanna hear it from you. So we need

23:08

you to open up and and allow

23:10

us in

23:11

there. Like, I think John Ram would be a great

23:13

guy to be mic ed up. He's done an awesome

23:15

job in the line. I feel like it's especially gone off for him.

23:17

He's doing interviews. He's engaged. He's turned on.

23:19

He's he'll debate you. He'll could he

23:21

was debating people in the media center today,

23:24

live on the mic about LeBron versus

23:26

Jordan. And I that's where

23:28

I think, you know, if I'm looking at the PGA

23:30

Tour now, not to, like, not to pick

23:32

on guys. But if I look at, like, a Morikawa,

23:35

a shuffler, a xander, a can't

23:37

lay. They're all extremely talented, extremely

23:39

dedicated to their craft, but, like, does do

23:41

this. If you are at home field emotions between

23:44

those guys competing, are they pulling for one or

23:46

the other, it can kinda blend together a little

23:48

bit. But the more, like, Rory, extremely

23:50

outspoken. So, you know, speed is super engaging.

23:52

Ram is super engaging. I think that if the

23:54

more you can separate yourself, it's gonna in

23:56

this era where the villains have kinda gone to the

23:58

other side. It's it's we miss

24:01

the Bryce ins and Brooks and Fills a

24:02

lot. I mean, really? No, I do. There's very few

24:04

that that I miss, that

24:07

that went to the other side. But you're right. The

24:09

villain is always nice to have because it creates some

24:11

kind of story, com some kind of controversy. I

24:13

mean, in my opinion, the Bryce and Brooks

24:15

thing was ridiculous. The way it worked out,

24:17

they get a match and they both get three million bucks,

24:20

whatever. That was gonna stupid. But

24:22

you're right. You need it. You you don't want them

24:24

all getting along. You want it to be something

24:26

out there. I mean, Patrick Reed. Listen, I

24:28

mean, he was always entertaining to watch.

24:30

Always in hell of a golfer, and he brought it

24:32

was he brought eyeballs. It was

24:34

interesting. It was always interesting. I wish he was

24:36

still playing on the p j tour. Yeah. I'm with you.

24:38

I mean, you're right. was like you said, it's

24:40

always something. Now it's over here in Dubai's.

24:43

I bought on a tree, all kinds of stuff. And I shouldn't even say

24:45

I wish he was still playing on the PGA Tour. It's like they were all playing

24:47

together. Yeah. That's like the big thing. People

24:49

seem to think we're crazy enough. Like,

24:52

we're we're, like, being paid by the PGA tour now.

24:54

But it's like, dude, I just missed the best players in the world.

24:56

Being together all at

24:57

once. We want it as much as possible to happen.

24:59

I think that's I mean, I will say with these designated

25:01

events. I mean, we're gonna get that. Other than the guys who went

25:03

to live, mean, this is gonna

25:06

feel like a major championship at W. M. This week.

25:08

With a party atmosphere, it's gonna be

25:10

wild. Same thing at LA. The field's gonna be incredible.

25:12

We're starting to get them playing together

25:14

more, which is great. I'm excited

25:17

for what's happening. I hate what's happening in the Game of

25:19

Golf as far as the divide. That

25:21

sucks. And the fact that we have to talk about it every

25:23

single day. But man, golf

25:25

is in a good place right now. It's never been talked

25:27

about more. We got so many stars

25:30

in the game. And as long as they'll

25:32

let us in and show, like, these guys

25:34

are normal dudes. Like, I use Jordan Speed as an

25:36

example all the time. The first time we ever had them

25:38

on our podcast, We we filmed it and

25:40

put it on YouTube as well. And we're sitting on the

25:42

patio at Royal Oaks Country Club in Dallas, and he had

25:44

three beers in an in an over an hour

25:46

long show. And people are like, are you kidding

25:48

me, Jordan? Be starts to be drinking beer,

25:50

something like

25:51

that. He's a twenty five year old from Texas.

25:53

What do you think they did? Like, these guys

25:55

are normal. After Max one, he did y'all's

25:57

podcast Sunday, we went out to watch two

25:59

football games. Crowded bars everywhere.

26:01

People come up to

26:02

him. He doesn't care. He's a normal guy that just wants

26:04

to go out and have a good time. Yeah. There's

26:06

And that's why I do wonder what, you know, this

26:09

Netflix series is gonna debut next week as

26:11

we're recording this. What that is gonna do for

26:13

golf? You Knost, what that is that gonna bring in new fans? It's

26:15

gonna make them more recognizable? I haven't

26:17

seen them all yet, but we're gonna have a full

26:19

episode next week kind of breaking it down. But yeah,

26:21

it's gosh, a lot has changed in last

26:23

year. Oh, shit.

26:24

I hope it does. But, you know, going back of,

26:26

like,

26:26

getting more access to the players, getting them to be

26:29

more normal, being human. Most them are,

26:31

like, I don't think people would realize Xandr Shafway

26:33

has incredible personality. Yeah. He's hilarious.

26:35

Love being around that guy. But a lot of it is

26:37

think the agents try to control him too

26:39

much. For sure. In that class x

26:41

tool, it's

26:42

just it sucks. And I mean, I was We

26:44

have we have the same agent. Yeah. But I

26:46

I deal with all the other agents trying to get guys on

26:49

the show and all this, and I'm, like, they're adults.

26:51

Yeah. And by the way, they're the boss.

26:54

The agents work for

26:54

them. It's it's hard when

26:57

you when you have relationships with players too

26:59

because the play I totally

27:01

get the role. Right? Because the players don't wanna say

27:03

no to you. Right? And they might say, yeah. I'd

27:05

love to do it, but in, you know, behind the Colt doors,

27:07

they might be like, dude, I'm exhausted.

27:09

I'm good. Let me step away for

27:11

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27:13

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28:17

Colt Knost. What does that transition for you on

28:20

the on the media side. These guys, your buddies, your

28:22

peers, you've competed with for so long.

28:24

You I'm sure you have a million off the record

28:26

stories from almost all of them. But how does it work

28:28

for you when you go to talk about these players

28:31

on on your

28:31

podcast, on the network, and things like that. You

28:33

run it? Any any issues yet? No issues

28:35

yet. Honestly. Everything's been very

28:37

smooth sailing. You know, I'm

28:40

friends with most of the guys out there. I

28:42

have a great relationship with them, especially some of

28:44

the I mean, Jordan's speech, Justin Thomas, Max,

28:46

Xander. Like, I'm lucky enough that I

28:48

hang out with him a lot. And and I and

28:50

I know they trust me, which when

28:53

there's gonna be things that know that I'm

28:55

not gonna use that on air the next day. You know what

28:57

I mean? Jordan Justin together all

28:59

the time, they have their chef with them. Love

29:01

their chef. He's the man. We go over, have

29:03

dinner, and there's stories Colt. Some,

29:06

I'm like, hey, can I say that tomorrow? Sure. No

29:08

problem or no, please don't. And it's fine. But

29:11

most of the stuff, I I kinda can read the room

29:13

and be like, hey, I know that stuff. not using that.

29:15

I'm just gonna let that one go. And which is

29:17

and I never wanna lose that trust. Because once you

29:19

do, then then you're out. And

29:22

I've criticized players. I've criticized my friends.

29:24

I mean, that's my job. And I think they understand

29:27

that. I always use Charles Barclay in this because

29:29

he says it so beautifully. You know,

29:31

when he criticises players that call him,

29:33

like, in and they get mad at him and bitch at

29:35

him and all this. He goes, it's amazing how

29:37

they never call me when I brag about him all the time. He

29:39

goes, I talk about ninety percent of the time, I

29:41

talk about how great player is. The one

29:43

second that I criticize him. He

29:45

calls me and he's pissed off at

29:47

me. I think he goes, unless you call me and tell me thank

29:49

you every time I Yeah. Don't call me and

29:51

complain to me when I criticize size when you messed up.

29:53

My least favorite is when I'll

29:56

get some kind of critique about something I've

29:58

said, and then I'll just ask Was I wrong?

30:00

Was I wrong about this? Tell me if I'm wrong, I'm

30:02

happy to correct it, but if I'm not wrong, are you just

30:04

mad that I said this? I got in a lot of that from

30:06

TV

30:06

people. Years. They're like, they don't like us, and

30:08

I'm like, are we wrong about it? They're like,

30:11

well, no. But I don't like it. It's rather

30:13

funny. You know what I mean? The only time and

30:15

he was just joking, but Rory, I was I

30:17

had his group at Memphis, and he was just hitting

30:19

it on a string off the tee like he does it all the

30:21

time every single time. And I

30:24

at one point, I think I said he hits his driver straightened

30:26

it in his Lob Edge because he couldn't hit he couldn't

30:28

even round the hole in the Lob Edge. And came by and he slapped

30:30

me on the ass with his club. On the range Knost He's

30:32

like, so I hit my driver's trailer, my live

30:34

wedge, and he just looked I was like, and he goes, you're

30:36

right. It was great. So

30:39

do you get the sense of, like, that the

30:42

the guys out there are appreciating having a younger

30:44

guy, like, in your seat. Right? Somebody that is

30:46

a peer. That's the sense I get, right, is that

30:48

they I don't know if, you know, where things were

30:50

necessarily I'm saying this, say things were

30:52

trending in different direction, but having somebody that they

30:54

know in that role that's be talking about

30:57

their game has to be it has to feel

30:59

you have to feel a connection there. It sure seems like that.

31:01

Yeah. I mean, that's one of my deals when

31:03

I was getting ready to, you know, sign with CBS.

31:06

It's like, listen, I'm ready now. I have a great relationship

31:08

with all these guys. They trust me. They're

31:10

gonna give me more access than anyone we got.

31:13

And and I appreciate that from them.

31:15

And it's because I I mean, I just quit playing.

31:17

I was out there with them every week. I was inside the

31:19

ropes, knows what's going on. They've been so

31:22

great to me, all the players. It's it's

31:24

so cool when I walk on the range. It's like,

31:26

they haven't seen me in ages and I'm like, I saw you

31:28

last week. But it's it's it's so cool how

31:30

they treat me when I have a group and I'm going

31:32

down the fairway with them. Like, I never really played

31:34

good enough to have an on course reporter with my

31:36

group. So I don't know, like, how we are

31:38

with them. But, you know, Roy talks

31:40

trash to me walking up and down the fairways. Jordan's

31:43

always interacting. I mean, there are some that

31:45

are all business, Justin Thomas, I would say, is lot

31:47

he's more business like than than most. I mean,

31:49

he's just head down focused

31:51

on what he's doing. But it's

31:53

it's so much fun. Like, people are like, would you

31:55

ever wanna be in a tower? And I'm like, no. I love being

31:57

down the ground. I love interacting with the fans.

31:59

Love talking to the

32:00

players. And it's just

32:01

it's so cool to be right there with

32:04

a I have the best seat in the house to watch the best

32:06

players in the world tee it up every week. And

32:08

it just once again proves I made

32:10

the right decision by quitting because they

32:12

are so freaking

32:13

good. It's it's incredible. Watching Roy Mac Roy

32:15

Play golf, I'm like, oh my god. Does it

32:17

feel really far away now being able compete

32:19

at that level in terms of now that you see it from this

32:21

seat and see how far they're hitting you because for those that

32:23

aren't familiar with your

32:24

game, you were you were not the longest hit, I believe.

32:27

No. I hear you're working on that. I am. I am.

32:29

I got the stacks distance on it. I know we're

32:31

working on it. But, yeah, it's crazy.

32:33

The game has changed a lot over the last ten years.

32:36

Distanced. I mean, the the distance

32:38

these guys hit it is crazy. Tell you how

32:40

sad it is. Like, when I go out and play with Max

32:42

and Ram and those guys, I play

32:44

a tee up I was I I didn't feel it nice

32:46

about it. But it makes it a fair game -- Sure. --

32:48

which is a lot which is fun. I'm forty yards

32:50

up on a tee, and then we play from the same

32:53

spot. And it's great. And I'm like, gosh. This

32:55

would be so much fun to play from up here every

32:57

single week. So it's a little shot to the ego,

32:59

but I like to gamble, and I want it to be fair.

33:01

I don't ever wanna be I want the chips

33:03

to I want everything to be odds to be in my favor.

33:06

So it's depressing kind of,

33:08

but at the same time, it's it's a lot fun to play up

33:10

there with

33:10

them. Do

33:10

you keep a handicap now? Oh, yeah. Okay. What is

33:12

it?

33:12

Think we're plus three point one index

33:15

or something like that.

33:16

Okay. I probably wouldn't play with that. That

33:18

sounds that sounds different. I type in every score. I believe

33:20

you. I at one point, I got to, like, plus

33:22

five. So them because I I shot sixty one one

33:24

day at Whist broader completely blacked out and don't know

33:26

what

33:26

happened. And I worked very hard. I played a

33:28

lot to get

33:29

get to that agreement. I was like, this thing's

33:31

gotta go. What are the money games like up

33:33

at Whisper Oc. It's great. So

33:35

I play with normally, we have about

33:37

ten of us that kind of rotate depending on who's in

33:39

town and everything. Anywhere from a dentist,

33:42

to financial guy, to just some rich

33:44

people that are retired, to

33:46

Max Oma, John Ram joins everyone's

33:48

mom, Kevin Chappell, We have

33:50

a blast, man. That's that's I have like,

33:53

I don't care what I shoot anymore. I just care if I win money

33:55

at end of the day or Knost. But every

33:57

know, I do SiriusXM Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, then

34:00

Thursday, Friday, Saturday. If I'm

34:01

home, I tee it up. You sound

34:02

like you got you're in a good place with your relationship with

34:04

the Game of Colt. Oh. It's so

34:06

it's so much fun. I enjoy playing

34:08

so much more now because it just doesn't

34:11

affect anything for me. And I probably honestly

34:13

hit it better now than I did when I played just

34:15

because I don't care. I talked to Mark Blackburn

34:17

about that all the time. He's like, can you please

34:20

explain to my tour players that? And I was

34:22

like, it doesn't work. It'll never work that

34:24

way. You can not go out there and play carefree.

34:26

It's impossible. Well, because some people when

34:28

they leave their competitive golf, you know,

34:30

era, when they go play and they go play

34:32

poorly, they enjoy it even less. Like, you can't

34:34

get you can't get the images of when you

34:36

were hitting it amazing out of your head and

34:38

going and slapping it around is not appealing anymore,

34:41

but it seems like I saw you last week,

34:43

played some some casual golf out in the moderate peninsula,

34:45

which it seems like anytime you can

34:48

get chance to play your

34:48

play.

34:49

Oh, I love it. I mean, I could play every single

34:51

day.

34:51

You travel with your clubs on the road? It depends

34:53

on where we're going. I hate carrying

34:55

the damn thing around. That's the worst

34:57

part. Like, especially when we're going just for CBS

35:00

weekend, like, I can just take carry on, but

35:02

the Knost Coast swing so hard not to bring them.

35:04

I mean, out of Pebble, fortunate enough to play

35:06

Cypress. Then you go to LA and you got games

35:08

of Bel Air in LA North. It's like, I

35:10

gotta take my club. You don't get to play these every

35:12

day. What'd

35:12

you think of those pins out at Cypress last Tuesday?

35:15

It was hard. Oh my god. I

35:18

I played okay. Made a few birdies,

35:20

actually hooped it on thirteen for a deuce.

35:22

Really? Yeah. Hit a it was back into

35:24

the wind, had a one seventeen and hit little nine

35:27

iron. And and hold it and then proceeded

35:29

to make double on fourteen to follow it up.

35:31

After I told the Catties, they were talking about how hard

35:33

fourteen is and that every time I've played here,

35:35

I've played fourteen really

35:36

well, proceed to make double, of course. But,

35:39

man, it's a special place. What's

35:40

the highlight stop of anywhere to go play anywhere

35:43

on tour?

35:43

I mean, it's hard to beat if second

35:45

what what number two that he did? Well,

35:47

my favorite place in the world is Shadow

35:49

Creek in Las Vegas. I mean, everything

35:51

about it from the time you pull in the

35:53

gates, the people that work there,

35:56

playing on the golf course, getting to pretty much do whatever

35:58

you want on just the most gorgeous piece of

36:00

property without an ocean, in my

36:02

opinion. It is such a fun golf course

36:04

to play. That's my

36:07

favorite boister because I'm not a guy that I don't wanna

36:09

play golf, sun up, sun down. Okay?

36:11

Like band and doons, beautiful, incredible. But

36:13

I wanna go tee off at

36:14

noon, We've done it for cocktails dinner.

36:16

Have a good night. Where else

36:19

is better than Las Vegas? If

36:21

if technology had been capped let's

36:23

say, at, like, the two thousand five

36:25

moment. How different do you think your your golf

36:27

career would have been?

36:28

Probably a lot of it

36:29

would have. Yeah. Yeah. If I if I would have stayed focused

36:31

mentally and not gotten distracted by everything.

36:33

I think it would have been a lot.

36:34

What happened with your wrist as well? Like, when when

36:36

did injuries start?

36:37

Yeah. So I started in two

36:40

thousand what? Fifteen, I started feeling some

36:42

pain in my thumb. And I was a guy that

36:44

played with a pretty open face and just used my hands

36:46

a lot at the bottom. And I think eventually that's

36:48

what really kinda tore my apart, but played

36:50

two thousand fifteen, played pretty good, worked rolled into

36:53

sixteen, and things were going really well. But

36:55

I noticed I kept losing speed. My club

36:57

head speed kept going down and down and down.

36:59

Thumb was killing me. Two thousand sixteen, I never

37:01

hit a ball after I played around, which

37:03

is unusual for me. I would warm up. I was twenty

37:05

minute warm up. And go because

37:07

my thumb was in that bad of shape. Finally,

37:10

got it looked got misdiagnosed, ended up having

37:12

my risk cleaned up. That's why

37:14

I was out the first time hit a shot in Dallas

37:16

when I came back after being out in nine months,

37:18

felt another pain in my thumb, saw a specialist

37:20

there. And he's like, dude, whoever told you, you said nothing

37:22

wrong with your thumb is is

37:24

wrong. And they operated on the next

37:26

day, was out another nine months,

37:28

came back on my medical, and just never

37:30

really got it going. You once said that you

37:32

know, some of your most memorable rounds of your career were

37:34

playing with Phil Nicholson Saturday and Sunday

37:36

of a PGA

37:37

championship. What do you remember about that? Yeah. It

37:39

it was crazy. We played together four times that week.

37:42

I flew in Sunday before. We had a match at

37:44

Baltus Raul, a little money game. It

37:46

was a weird group. It was me and Jason Kochrack

37:48

versus Phil and John Curran, which was

37:50

just the most random natural thing ever.

37:53

And then Tuesday, we played a fracture on this

37:55

was one of these things is not

37:57

like the other. It was me and Justin Thomas

37:59

versus Beath and Phil, which was only

38:01

five thousand people in practice around following us.

38:04

But I've always loved playing against Phil.

38:06

Have a great relationship of talking trash to

38:08

each other. We've never been on the same team. I've

38:11

played a ton of rounds with him. I just love action.

38:13

He loves action. He likes that I I

38:15

think, at

38:15

least he used to. I don't know how feels about me now.

38:17

I think he he loved that I would needle him

38:20

back. Yes. And then we go in and,

38:22

I don't know, we both made the cut on

38:24

the number at Baltus draw in the two thousand

38:26

sixteen PGA, and we get that text.

38:29

It says, you know, first d, eight o'clock, Phil

38:31

Mickelson. And Bone screenshotted

38:34

it to both of us. And he said, oh, boy. Here

38:36

we go. It's was so cool. I mean,

38:38

there were some trash talking going on, but we were

38:41

you know, we're both it was business. I mean, he's it's

38:43

a major championship, but playing along

38:45

it just shows you how big a deal he is. I mean, we're

38:47

here we are first off in sixty third place

38:49

or whatever. And there's so many people the

38:51

whole way around. And he's great. He

38:53

just it's it's awesome to watch him. Hit some of the shots

38:56

he can, especially around the greens. Some

38:58

of the comments you would have, but I remember I

39:00

I pulled hooked one on seventeen, and I hit a guy.

39:03

And normally, there's not that many people following me,

39:05

so I don't have to worry about that. So I get over there, I was

39:07

like, get anybody and I'm like, yeah, you hit this guy

39:09

in the chest. I'm like, man, I'm so sorry. I was

39:11

like, you want me to see a fill sign of glove

39:13

for you? And they

39:15

just all started laughing. I was like, Phil, come over

39:17

here. So I'm just trying to come up with this guy. He doesn't want

39:19

mine. But he was great. It was it was cool to play

39:21

a major

39:21

with. The only time I played with him in my career in tournament

39:24

was a major. Did

39:24

you do you still have a relationship with him at all? Talk

39:26

to him at all? Or it doesn't seem like many guys

39:29

that are not on that side of the aisle do It sucks,

39:31

man. Because I always felt

39:33

like we were decently close, exchanged texts

39:35

all the time, you know, always rooted for him. And

39:37

ever since he went over there, I mean, you know, my job

39:39

is to get my opinion in the game of golf now. And

39:41

obviously, it's not with where he is right

39:44

now. And everything that happened with the ship

39:46

nuke stuff and everything, like, I gave my opinion,

39:48

and I I'm guessing he heard it. By

39:51

some of the things I've heard from other people.

39:53

You know, he randomly sent me a DM on

39:55

Twitter one day showing all these

39:57

facts about what the PGA has done as far as their tax

39:59

situation and all

40:00

this. And I'm like, dude, do you have my number? I mean,

40:02

if you wanna talk about this stuff, I'm happy to talk

40:05

about it.

40:05

But I've never bad mouthed him. I mean, III

40:07

have said, I he probably regrets, you

40:10

know, everything that came out with with the shipment

40:12

thing. And don't know which side you're on

40:14

as far as Was he on the record off the

40:16

record? I don't really care. It sucks that

40:18

he's the way he'll leave the

40:20

game a golf. Yeah. As far as it is right now, because

40:22

he's truly one of the greatest that's ever done it. He's

40:24

achieved so much. He's been so great

40:27

for the game of golf areas. You know? I

40:29

mean, as he says, you know, if

40:31

Tiger wasn't around, he'd have a lot more trophies,

40:33

but a lot less money. I mean, Tiger's

40:35

the reason would we know he would what he would trade

40:37

for? Yeah. But it he's

40:39

one of the best talents we've ever seen. And he

40:41

was he was always great with the media too.

40:43

He was open and and gave us a lot

40:45

more access than some of the other great

40:47

players. Intertainer.

40:48

Yeah. Intertainer. And, like, you know what I mean?

40:50

That that a first match with Tiger. I mean, he

40:52

tried as hard as he did to get it going.

40:54

It's just Tiger's just not gonna give you that

40:56

much. So I miss him, man. You

40:59

know, I was I was I went down to the eighteenth degree

41:01

when he won his VGX queue up. I mean, I was there

41:03

out when he walked off, gave him a hug. He's always

41:05

been so he he texted me when I was

41:08

trying to figure out whether or not I was gonna turn pro

41:10

or play Augusta. He's

41:12

like I said, can't say anything bad about him

41:14

as far as how he's been towards

41:15

me. I would love to talk to him again one

41:17

day because we've always had a lot of fun together.

41:19

How have you approached with so

41:21

you have a job with CBS who is partner

41:24

with a PGA tour? Are you a PGA tour member,

41:26

you have your own radio show, you have a podcast

41:28

talking about things like how have you approached, what's

41:31

been your strategy of how you've approached everything

41:33

that's going on with

41:34

live. Well, I'll say this. The thing that bothers me the most

41:36

is people that all their comments on

41:38

Twitter is, you're paid by the PGA

41:40

tour, you say this. And I'm like, no, I'm not. I

41:42

am paid by people that are partners with the PGA

41:44

Tour, but not once. Has anyone ever

41:46

told me what to say? Or say, don't say

41:48

this or we need you to say this. That's never

41:50

been the case. Like, My opinions are mine.

41:53

A lot of people don't know. I was offered a deal by

41:55

Liv. And to to

41:57

build a broadcast, we heard you say that Mike

42:00

on the PGA Tour rage talking with Rory.

42:02

Oh, God. If you knew that. Oh, I didn't know that

42:04

came out. But, yeah, I mean, I was. And and I'm

42:06

not shy about that. And I

42:09

Knost I just don't believe in the product. Like,

42:11

to me, it's just it's it's not that interesting.

42:13

You know, forty eight guys, the same forty eight every

42:15

single week, Fifty four o'clock

42:17

guns start, like, I just

42:19

don't see the the pressure being

42:22

there like it is at other tournaments.

42:24

And listen, I have

42:26

not hated on one person forgoing because

42:28

you give me a hundred million dollars I'm out in a second.

42:31

Where do I sign? I mean, Pat Perez, it's

42:34

a no brainer for him. I mean, if he

42:36

got ten million, you know, we we never

42:38

seen the contracts we've heard and stuff. If he got ten

42:40

million at forty six years old and he can go over

42:42

there and and play with the aces and make a

42:44

gazillion more dollars. Dude, where

42:47

do you sign? It's just frustrating, like

42:49

I said, that it it's come up all the bad

42:51

blood that's going on. And still, it's not it's

42:53

not like the p j tour guys hate to live

42:55

guys. I mean, they're still friends. It's just

42:57

it's unfortunate how there's this been this

42:59

divide. And a lot of it probably is because of the

43:01

media. Well, I'd tell. I think a lot of

43:03

them some of them may hate the guys that are suing

43:05

the PG. To it. Yeah. Like, the I haven't

43:08

heard many people say a bad thing about

43:09

DJ, who's just gone over.

43:11

Set over. Just going to play golf is a is a

43:13

financial business decision for my family, and

43:15

this is this is it. I I think that's different

43:17

than, like, Phil, like, cooperating with

43:19

the Department of Justice, potentially -- Yeah. -- a

43:21

Knost suit and Nicholson at all

43:23

suing the PGA's taking his name off the lawsuit

43:26

now, but, like, that that's having your cake and

43:28

eating it. And I think that's really tough for a lot people to

43:30

get over. was sitting with someone recently. And

43:32

we were talking about this whole thing. And they brought

43:34

up Brooks and who Brooks went

43:36

on one of the most unbelievable major

43:38

runs we've ever seen. You know, winning four

43:40

in that short amount of time. And it's like,

43:42

how could a guy like that? Who's won four majors?

43:45

Hall of Fame would be a Hall of Fame or no doubt.

43:47

You know, go do this. And the guy said,

43:49

Brooks sold his business. And I'd

43:52

never heard it like that way. And I was like,

43:54

man, you know, that's interesting. It makes

43:56

a lot of sense. Like, Here I am. I got

43:58

an opportunity. I've had a great run. I've

44:00

had great career. Does he wanna

44:02

win more majors? Of course, I'm sure he does.

44:04

But it's like I don't think you know

44:06

what you would do. It's hard for me to be like, oh,

44:08

I would do this until you actually get

44:10

that contract in front of me. It's like, here's a

44:12

hundred million dollars to go play

44:14

golf. I mean, that's a

44:16

joke. It's crazy. And, yeah, it

44:18

it is a there's a lot of people

44:21

that that's why they play golf. A lot of professionals

44:23

that's why they play golf. It's it's it's for work.

44:25

And the money is the what the money

44:27

is, but a lot some people, you know, are chasing something

44:29

different and that's where I'm just like it. That where

44:31

I net out on it all is, like, as a fan, I know what

44:33

I'm rooting for. Like, if if I'm an NFL

44:35

fan, I mean, take if if Tyler

44:38

Murray here is we're here in Phoenix, if he was gonna

44:40

go play in a different league to make more money, that

44:42

wouldn't be interesting to me. Like, I'd rather watch

44:44

him compete with the best players of the world so

44:46

it's it's just I'm amazed at the people that

44:48

do kind of view it fans, I should

44:50

say. I can understand it from where you're sitting being

44:53

peers with these guys, but fans that say, can

44:55

you fault him for going and doing what's best for his family?

44:57

He's like, I can't, but I'm a fit I

44:59

only know who he is. I don't want a golf. I because

45:01

I care about

45:02

golf, you know. I use the analogy. I'm like, say

45:04

say that they started up some football

45:07

football league. And they paid Tom

45:09

Brady, Aaron Rogers, you know,

45:11

some of the top defensive guys Knost

45:13

handfuls here and

45:14

there. And then there were some scrubs as

45:16

offense alignment and all this. Like, would it be as

45:18

entertaining?

45:19

No. No. I don't think And would you NFL be?

45:21

No. We'd be less. It's it's it's that's

45:23

the solution. Yeah. I mean and the other

45:26

thing about the live thing I always get into is is

45:28

people compare it to other sports, and it drives

45:30

me nuts. Golf is not football. Golf is not the

45:32

NBA. Golf is not major league baseball. People

45:35

think they should get paid the way Aaron Rogers does,

45:37

Tom Brady. And it's just not it's not logical. I

45:40

mean, look at the TV is what drives everything.

45:42

And it's just so simple to see, you know, the NFL

45:44

TV contract is twelve billion dollars

45:46

a year. Twelve billion. The PJ Tour

45:48

is seven hundred and fifty million. I

45:50

mean, just do the numbers. It's it's they're never

45:53

gonna get there. You know, the

45:55

the most watched professional

45:57

golf event I believe of all time was the Masters in

45:59

two thousand nineteen. Nineteen million people.

46:01

The average NFL Sunday regular season

46:03

games is like forty two million. It's some

46:05

stupid. The numbers are

46:07

just insane. So I wish people would stop trying to compare

46:10

this football because it's not like that. And it doesn't

46:12

need to be like that. The whole we shouldn't have

46:14

a cut thing. Everybody should get paid. This is what's

46:16

beautiful about the Game of Golf. You have to go out there and

46:18

earn it every single week. Like somebody

46:20

brought up Kamyeong the other day. Just had phenomenal

46:23

season. Finished top thirty, rookie of the year

46:25

isn't everything. He

46:26

could go out and lay an egg this year and lose his card because

46:28

he hasn't won. Yep. He's got no well,

46:31

he

46:32

you did you get an extra year

46:33

for George's Day shift now? Yeah. Is that going

46:35

to fact last year? It is. Yes. Okay. So he

46:37

does have an action before But your point stands?

46:40

Security.

46:40

Correct. Yeah. Okay. Your point stands. Yeah. No.

46:42

It's it is very inter

46:45

I The problem, I think, with

46:47

all of it, we don't have to spend much more time on live. But,

46:49

like, if there was something there with the franchise model

46:51

and the team model, they just needed to have everyone.

46:53

And and then something that divided everything was

46:55

I mean, people listened to this have heard me say that million

46:58

times, but I

46:58

don't wanna get the same thing part of it. So

47:00

Yeah.

47:00

It it I mean, it just doesn't excite me. Yeah.

47:02

That's fine. And I I'm not even

47:05

positive, I would like it, but I don't know. There's just

47:07

something there, I think. But what was your decision

47:09

process like then? When you get an offer from Live, what

47:11

was What was was it an amount

47:14

of money that shocked you that that kept you up at

47:16

night? Yeah. It shocked me when I

47:18

when I got it. I'll

47:20

never forget. I mean, we we share the same agent.

47:22

He he called me and said he's sitting down and it was

47:25

about an hour before I went on brought on

47:27

air at the buyer else in this past May.

47:30

So this is before DJ Brooks, anyone had really

47:32

gone. There was they didn't really have a big name

47:34

guy yet. And I literally

47:36

was gonna throw up all day on air. I mean, I was

47:38

trying to call golf, and I'm just like, my god.

47:40

What the hell? So we ended up getting on a phone

47:42

call later that night with the head boss

47:44

and all this, and he told

47:47

me his thoughts. I told him mine. I was like,

47:49

I literally think I'm about to throw up all day. Like, I don't know

47:51

if I can do this. And he's like, we're not doing it.

47:53

And I immediately just felt this sensory

47:55

leaf. Like, didn't even sleep on it.

47:57

III couldn't. And I

47:59

just it didn't feel right to me. You know,

48:01

I have such a great relationship with all the

48:03

guys out there in the fact to know

48:05

that, like, some of might not like me or

48:08

some will turn their back on me and might lose

48:10

some friends over it. Like, I I couldn't live with

48:12

myself. And also, at the time I was thirty six

48:14

years Colt, Like,

48:16

I I feel like I'm going

48:17

up.

48:18

Yeah. And I feel like I got a lot ahead of me.

48:20

And my deal is this is this

48:22

is a lot of money. Say this thing goes under

48:24

in three years, then what am I gonna do? I lose

48:26

my SiriusXM show. I still have my podcast.

48:28

I hope. They're not associated with the PJ

48:30

Tour, but I lose CBS. Like, what the hell

48:32

am I gonna do? In my dream,

48:35

knowing that I skipped the Masters, I wanna be

48:37

on the Masters broadcast on CBS. Coming

48:39

down the stretch, going through Eamon Corner on a

48:41

Sunday, like, that's my dream. That's what I wanna

48:43

do. And I knew if I went over there, like, that's never

48:46

gonna happen. Like I

48:47

said, I'm thirty seven now, and I'm just I'm just

48:49

getting started in this. I

48:51

I do I've asked myself this. I've tried to put

48:53

myself in in this scenario of Would

48:55

a ton of time and ton of money be

48:57

worth not feeling comfortable in my own skin?

49:00

No. And, yeah, III don't know

49:02

the answer to that. Probably not. It doesn't feel like

49:04

it would be. Like, I just don't know if

49:06

I could walk around. If if having a lot of

49:08

money would make me happier than, like, having people's

49:10

respect. Yeah. I think if if it's it's

49:13

that simple. I know that, but I think that would

49:15

matter. And it seems like it mattered in your decision. It

49:17

did. And, you know, I I this is interesting.

49:19

I feel like, you know, I put myself, like, what what

49:21

what Harold Varner said, I

49:23

can relate to so much. They asked, you know, was it

49:26

hard? He goes, hell yeah, it was hard. He goes and and

49:28

he said, why? He goes, I don't want people to hate me. Yeah.

49:30

And that's how I am. Like, I care what other people think.

49:32

Everyone says, oh, I don't care. People think, yes, you do.

49:34

We all care. We all wanna be liked. Nobody wants

49:36

to be hated. And, you know,

49:39

I knew at the time, like, things

49:41

were going very well for me in the Game of Golf

49:43

with with the media side broadcasting and all that.

49:45

And I want that to continue. And I think,

49:48

you know, the p j tour is not going anywhere. Don't

49:50

care what anybody has. BJ's door is not going anywhere.

49:52

This is where I wanna be. I wanna

49:54

be talking about the best players in the world for as

49:57

long as they'll have me until some other guy

49:59

comes along that's they think is better than me, which

50:01

is which is fine. But right

50:03

now, man, I'm in a great place. I love it.

50:05

But,

50:05

yeah, it was it was a hard decision. There's no doubt.

50:07

I mean, It's it's a lot

50:10

of money out there that they're throwing around. It's kind

50:12

of like a it seems like the the conversation

50:14

you had is similar to the how I put the hard

50:16

decision test is you

50:17

know, flip a coin and heads you

50:19

go, tails you stay, and you flip it, and then before

50:21

you look at it, you gotta think about what what were you rooting

50:23

for

50:24

in the air?

50:24

Like, what was your gut telling you? It's a good point. And that

50:26

seems like your reaction of the relief you felt. I

50:28

think if it landed that way, I'd be like, okay, best

50:30

two out of three. Let's see. That's

50:33

your gut answer. Yeah. I actually I moved

50:35

out of the country based on that that game that was played

50:37

at three AM. Wow. It was heads

50:39

you leave, tails you lose, and

50:41

we were all drunk, of course. And the

50:44

guy flipped it. And he's like, alright. Well, what is

50:46

it? I was he's like, doesn't matter. What what are you rooting for?

50:48

And I was like, I hope it's heads. And he pulled his

50:50

head off in his head and said, I'm going. Wow. It's a

50:52

drunk decision, but it ended up being a good one. That's

50:54

cool. Yeah. What what's it been

50:56

like kind of getting indoctrinated with the with the

50:58

CBS team? What's

50:59

like, would you ever picture you'd be working with Jim Nantz?

51:01

No. I still to this day. I mean,

51:04

every time he sends it down to me in the fairway, I'm much

51:06

like, oh my

51:07

god. Like, this is Jim Nance. He started CBS

51:09

in nineteen eighty five the year I was born. So

51:12

amazing. I mean, I've listened to Jim my whole life.

51:15

Had the chance to meet him a few times when I was playing,

51:17

but to be working with him

51:18

now, and we have an awesome relationship. He's

51:21

everything you hear about him, he's better.

51:23

He's, like, truly one of the nicest people I've ever

51:25

met. I I love sharing this story because

51:28

I I feel like Jim always says the right thing.

51:30

He he never stumbles his words.

51:32

He never wishes he didn't say something, but it's

51:34

just no matter what the situation is, he always says

51:36

the right thing. So He always hosted dinner

51:38

every year Pebble Beach on Saturday night.

51:40

And last year, I went down there.

51:43

And I walked down to the bar. And there I think I

51:45

was one of the first ones there, and there he is. And he orders

51:47

a lemon drop Martini. And I just started

51:49

laughing. He's like, what are you laughing? I go, I

51:51

mean, this drink you're ordering. I go, the only person

51:53

I've ever seen order one those is my

51:55

mother. And he's never met my mom. And

51:57

he goes, you tell Lou Anne, I can't wait to have

51:59

one with her. And I'm like, damn

52:02

it. I was like, that was

52:04

the most unbelievable answer. Now my mom's

52:06

gonna be so side. I was like, and you knew her

52:08

name. It's just he's he's

52:10

unbelievable. He's the goat. There's

52:12

no one better. I love like I

52:14

said, it's I pinched myself every time he's it down.

52:16

I mean, the fact that we talk all the time, text,

52:18

and everything, he's

52:20

great. He is so good at his job.

52:22

It's ridiculous. He just he I

52:24

don't think people realize how hard the job

52:26

is he does, and he makes it look so simple.

52:29

Multiple sports. Like, it's not, you know, to

52:31

know the back up defensive linemen

52:33

on the bingles, and also be able

52:35

to tell you something about Joseph Bramlett. Come,

52:37

you know, Sunday is that's not

52:39

easy. I've never met anyone with a memory

52:41

Kim. So we were sitting at Wyndham a

52:43

couple years ago. It was a twenty five year anniversary.

52:45

It was gonna be the twenty five year anniversary of Faudo's

52:48

win in ninety six. And this

52:50

dude was rattling off shots that Fowlo

52:52

hit on Friday on like Colt eleven.

52:55

I'm like, are you serious right now? And then

52:57

he's like, oh, you did this? Then Greg did that. And

52:59

this and this. And I'm like and Nick looked at him.

53:01

He's like, you're right. Like, twenty

53:04

five years ago, all the sporting events he's into,

53:06

all the calls he's had and he can remember, shot

53:08

by shot. It's everywhere we go, every

53:10

volunteer,

53:12

everyone involved in the tournament. He knows their name.

53:14

It's it's he's he's

53:16

different. I I may have told the story of the pod

53:18

before, but I got dinner with him last year at

53:20

Colonial at Fort Worth. He has goes the same restaurant

53:22

every whatever night of the week. And

53:25

he had met he knew people

53:27

that also went to the restaurant on

53:29

that night, on that whatever Friday or

53:31

Saturday what night it was. These Canadian guys that

53:33

see him every year and he knew them my name. Just

53:35

people he sees, what's a year. Like, is remarkable.

53:38

But, yeah, it's gotta be It's Colt whole

53:40

team, though. It's gotta be a fun traveling roadshow.

53:42

It is. Yeah. I mean, Frank Nobolow is my

53:44

guy. We have so much. He's

53:47

he's my dinner and drinking buddy. Yeah.

53:49

I love Novelo so much. He is hilarious.

53:53

We have like, he's the guy that normally

53:55

we take shots at each other back and forth on air, try

53:57

to have a little fun with. I wish we could see

53:59

Frank's real personality on air because he's one of the funniest

54:02

guys ever

54:02

ever. Well, you guys did a

54:04

had a little Knost. When you got cooked up for this week,

54:06

because you guys had a twist last year. You and Amanda were

54:08

down on the sixteenth tee Saturday. Gave

54:11

us the

54:11

the, obviously, the huge moment with Sam Ryder

54:13

and all that. You guys got anything new cooked up for

54:15

this week? So I know there's gonna be some more cameras and

54:17

stuff on sixteen. I think we're having a fly cam and

54:19

all this, but we're gonna be back

54:21

there. So, Amanda and I obviously, we set

54:23

the bar about as high as you possibly can. It's

54:25

tough to fly. Sam rider. We were

54:27

gonna need somebody else to make a hole in one this year

54:29

to live up to that. But it's just so cool to

54:31

see Saturday, which is the wildest day in

54:33

golf. I mean, and the players know it. They know

54:35

it's a party, and that's why I think the tour went

54:37

for

54:38

it. You know, I would love

54:40

for players to be able to feel

54:41

it come over. Gotta come back. You know, we set just

54:43

microphone on a table last year. That got shut

54:46

down pretty quickly. think we have a better chance of

54:48

it. This year. I'm hoping so because

54:50

it's a long day. And we know it. They

54:52

know it. It's a fun day. I mean,

54:55

the crowd is just absolutely insane.

54:57

Come over say a few words, you know, tell

54:59

us what it's like, how your heart's

55:01

beating going through the tunnel and everything because

55:03

there's literally nothing like it in the game of golf.

55:05

I don't care who you are. We sat down with we

55:08

had a little our event called the Larry

55:10

yesterday, and we had speeds and Fowler there

55:12

to talk afterwards. And, I mean, Here's

55:14

two guys that are very successful in this game. Jordan Speed

55:16

is a three time major champion, and he says

55:18

it's right behind the nerves he feels at the Ryder Cup,

55:20

like walking through that tunnel. That's just so cool

55:22

to hear. You It's wild. You The

55:25

celebrities that play on Wednesday, they're like,

55:27

oh my god. III don't know how y'all do this. I can't handle

55:29

this. I'm like, he shot free throws in front of

55:31

twenty five thousand people with the NBA finals

55:33

online, and this makes you nervous. He's like it's

55:35

a different different atmosphere, but it is so cool,

55:37

man. It's one of those events. I feel like if we

55:39

had it multiple times, it wouldn't be

55:41

as multiple times a year, it wouldn't be as special.

55:44

But the fact that it's once a year, you know what you're

55:46

getting. And the fact that it's gonna be this

55:48

kind of field, I can't wait for this

55:50

thing to get going.

55:51

Outside observers take is that you guys seem

55:53

to be trying to at different

55:55

events, bringing what makes that location

55:57

or event special to life. Like, that atmosphere

55:59

is what makes Waste Management, what it is. Pebble

56:02

Phoenix last week were like a focus.

56:04

The drone shots were you guys were staging

56:06

interviews. It just seemed like, alright. We had to

56:08

set the scene for where this place and it seems

56:10

like it seems like, again, you guys are just incrementally

56:13

adding stuff here and there and it

56:15

it feels it feels weird to be praising

56:17

CBS as much as I am over

56:20

compared to how it was four years ago or

56:22

so, but I I we have to praise progress.

56:24

Well, I wasn't there four years ago. So

56:27

but no. I I mean, obviously, we see

56:29

everything y'all say, and

56:31

we appreciate that you think we're going in

56:33

the right direction. It's tough and golf. Golf's

56:36

boring, man. It's it's hard. It's

56:38

hard to make a golf broadcast really entertaining.

56:40

Like, I tell people all the time. I mean, you you

56:42

hear everyone I used to love to turn the golf on

56:44

and take nap. I'm like, no. We don't want you to

56:46

that's insulting to me. That means I'm boring.

56:49

So we wanna make it fun. We wanna make it energetic.

56:51

Bring some energy to the broadcast. Different

56:54

things, but at the same time, it's it's hard

56:56

to make golf really really exciting. That's

56:58

why I think the little things we're doing here and there

57:00

are really good. Miking up with players

57:03

is fantastic. I will say, the

57:05

the one thing -- Right. -- and they'll probably get mad at

57:07

me. They'll, hey, tell me for this. That thing we did on this

57:09

weekend at Pebble where it predicted where the ball

57:11

was gonna land,

57:11

don't like that. I I was, like,

57:14

mind blown by it. I was amazed by it. And also,

57:16

like, I I don't need that. Like But

57:18

also, we're gonna find my job. I was gonna say

57:20

that's my job is to tell you where it's gonna land.

57:22

And now it's got some computer that's obviously

57:24

way more accurate than I am. It's

57:26

it's amazing that it can do it.

57:27

It's interesting to be able to do it. It's but

57:29

I think it the part of watching golf ball TV is

57:32

a suspense of what's gonna happen while it's in the

57:33

air. One thing like, I wanna build

57:35

suspense while the ball is there. Let's just write at

57:37

it, you know, this all over. This is miles

57:40

left. Well, if something can show where it

57:42

is already, it kinda ruins everything. It's, like,

57:44

artificial it's, like, chat GBT for

57:46

for for announces you're getting replaced by the robots,

57:49

but I don't think that's that's quite --

57:50

Yeah. -- ready. Man, I hope everyone's enjoying it.

57:52

I think, you know, we're gonna continue to try

57:55

new things because listen, we want our audience

57:57

to get younger. We will that's that's that's

57:59

exactly what our goal is. And so

58:01

whether it's you know, bringing

58:03

younger people on like myself that can relate to

58:05

a different audience or just

58:07

new

58:07

technology. I I think we're heading in a

58:09

very, very good direction. Can you give people an

58:11

idea of what your job is like in

58:13

terms of how do you

58:15

have to position your self? How do you make sure no one

58:18

can hear you? How do you get queued up? What

58:20

are you looking at when you are doing a

58:22

call? How does that work?

58:23

Yeah. So, obviously, like, when I

58:25

first got into this business. I had no idea what the

58:27

hell I was doing. So it's just kinda you learn as you

58:29

go. There's not a whole lot of training. But

58:31

but down on the ground, you know, I got my headset

58:33

on. I can hear the producer. I can hear

58:35

the program in the air. And so there's a lot

58:38

of voices going on and everything, but

58:40

I try to get far enough of down. One of the things that drives

58:42

me nuts when I always watch golf with the Encore's

58:44

people is when they whisper. Because

58:46

I can't hear you and I can't understand exactly

58:48

what you're saying. So we have this great technology

58:50

of it. We call it a bird. It's a little monitor that

58:53

we carry with us. And so I can see

58:55

the coverage. So I can get I

58:57

can call this from eighty yards away. Yeah. And

58:59

I like to get far enough away where I can

59:01

still see, but I can speak normal.

59:03

And obviously, with huge crowds, you can yell

59:05

and no one can hear you. But I

59:07

I always try to get ahead That's my

59:10

deal. I try to stay out of the players way. But I

59:12

like to hang back occasionally and, you know, give

59:14

them some shots every once in a while or hopefully

59:16

they give me some. But, yeah, mostly just stay

59:18

out of the way, but for me being on the ground, it's

59:20

just I feel like that's where I meant to be. When I

59:22

first did it, I was up in the tower

59:25

for a few weeks, and it didn't go

59:27

great.

59:27

Like, it was nothing special. Like, it wasn't bad.

59:29

It wasn't good. It was they

59:30

weren't gonna hire me anything like that. And I

59:32

did the PJH championship for ESPN

59:34

at Harding Park when there was zero fans during

59:37

COVID. And I Mike Mike McQuay,

59:39

the producer there. I said, well, you let me go on the ground.

59:41

And he said, yeah. And I went I

59:43

can't remember if I was with speech group or who it

59:45

was, but ten minutes in, And my area is like, this

59:47

is where you belong. I mean, that's just

59:49

III I'd never wanna go anywhere else.

59:51

McQuade seems like a talent to God.

59:52

He's well great.

59:53

Yeah. Fun to work with. What I hate

59:56

when people ask me this question.

59:57

I was gonna hate it. But picking

59:59

out some of your favorite interviews you guys have done

1:00:01

podcast wise or or something that sticks out

1:00:03

to you as your best interviews you've

1:00:04

done. Who who would that be? Well, my favorite one

1:00:06

of all time is a non golfer, who's a Mike

1:00:09

Comador -- Okay. -- Hockey Legend,

1:00:11

one Stanley Cup, it's just he's

1:00:13

the funniest dude on the planet. He's got the greatest

1:00:15

stories. I've heard all the stories a hundred

1:00:17

times and I still cry laughing every time he tells

1:00:19

He's just a great storyteller. As

1:00:22

far as golf wise, like Joel Damon, it's just

1:00:24

he's so open, so honest. Max is

1:00:26

the same way. One we did recently that

1:00:29

really, I think, surprised a lot of people.

1:00:31

He won on the PGA Tour, but it's not a big name was

1:00:33

Charlie Belgian. Like his story,

1:00:36

is crazy. And he sat right here and

1:00:38

was so open, so honest. He said nothing's

1:00:40

out of bounds. Like, I don't care. Just ask me. Talking

1:00:42

about how, you know, he had a bad drinking prom was

1:00:45

drinking on tour. You know, Xanax

1:00:47

on the golf course, try to help his nerves, just

1:00:49

hear what he went through while he was

1:00:52

playing. And now he's been sober for twenty six

1:00:54

months, which is cool. He did really well

1:00:56

in Bitcoin. He's he's thinking about going out and playing

1:00:58

professional golf again, but just

1:01:00

a wild ride he was

1:01:01

on. And it was so cool to see someone that so

1:01:04

open and honest.

1:01:04

Mhmm. Did you try to talk about it going

1:01:06

back in a professional go? So, like, money is

1:01:09

not a big deal, and it doesn't really matter if you cut

1:01:11

or not, then sure why not. I mean, he's

1:01:13

a good player, but yeah. Because that stuff's

1:01:15

too stressful. Who wants to go play many tours?

1:01:18

Got it. It does look really

1:01:19

stressful. Like, I can imagine, like, sweating

1:01:21

out the birdies and bogeys seems like it would be extremely,

1:01:24

extremely stressful. It is. I mean,

1:01:26

yeah, not everybody's like those top guys, so

1:01:28

it's like, miss Okay. No big deal. I mean, you're

1:01:30

living and dying by every cutout there.

1:01:32

I'm trying to keep your when you're when you're one of those guys,

1:01:34

it has to fight to keep your job every single year.

1:01:37

It sucks. Yeah. I mean, it's so rewarding

1:01:39

when you do it. But when you're I mean,

1:01:42

imagine going into Wyndham when you're like one twenty

1:01:44

four on the

1:01:44

FedEx, it's like, I just wanna puke every single shot.

1:01:46

Couple shots could decide, you know, whether or not

1:01:48

you get courtesy cars next year and,

1:01:50

you know, it's -- Yeah. -- it's

1:01:51

tough. I mean, I remember one year Wyndham Martin

1:01:53

Flora has finished hole in one birdie and

1:01:56

they made like an eight footer on par to get his

1:01:57

cart, and it knocked some guy out. And I was like, imagine being

1:02:00

the

1:02:00

one twenty six guy that just got a Colt in

1:02:02

one make on him. It was Zach Blair. I mean,

1:02:04

I remember that. There you go. I mean, it's just

1:02:06

like, what's the worst

1:02:08

possible situation? That. Well,

1:02:11

I enjoyed hearing your stories, man. Thanks for having

1:02:13

me. In your home here. Look forward to Waste

1:02:15

Management this week. I think it's gonna be a great

1:02:17

week. Excited to see what these designated events look like,

1:02:19

and we will have to do it against the time. I'll see

1:02:21

You got it. Anytime, and thanks for dinner. You bet.

1:02:26

Get a ride club. Feed a ride club

1:02:28

today. Yes.

1:02:32

I think that's better

1:02:35

than most. How about

1:02:37

in? That is better than Knost. Better

1:02:40

than most. Most. Expect

1:02:47

anything different.