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we're going to talk about a dangerous case playing out in Texas

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that will 100% impact the 2024 election. And

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I interview Governor Gavin Newsom about his recent

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debate with Ron DeSantis, his thoughts on Sean

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Hannity's obvious lack of impartiality, and how Fox

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News viewers reacted to it. I'm Brian Tyler

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Cohen and you're listening to No Lie. There's

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something jaw-dropping happening in Texas that isn't getting

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the coverage it deserves. There is a young

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woman named Kate Cox, she's 31 years old,

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whose 20-week-old fetus has trisomy 18, which

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is a fatal genetic condition that'll mean

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her child won't live more than a

1:01

few days outside of the womb. According

1:04

to the lawsuit, the pregnancy also puts

1:06

her at risk for severe complications threatening

1:08

her life and future fertility, including uterine

1:10

rupture and hysterectomy. So she's

1:12

seeking an exemption in court from the state's abortion

1:14

ban, which does have narrow exceptions,

1:16

only to save the life or prevent substantial

1:19

harm to the patient. But the

1:21

language is so vague and the threat of

1:23

prosecution so extreme that in the first nine

1:25

months of this year, Texas recorded all of

1:28

34 abortions across the

1:30

entire state. Back in 2020, before these

1:32

restrictions were in place, there were more than 50,000. And

1:36

so it might seem obvious that

1:38

Ms. Cox is a prime candidate for that

1:40

exception, and she was granted it by a

1:43

district court judge in Travis County who issued

1:45

a temporary restraining order to allow her doctor

1:47

to perform the abortion without facing civil or

1:49

criminal penalties. The judge said in her

1:52

ruling that, quote, be

2:00

a genuine miscarriage of justice and

2:02

so this is pretty cut and dry

2:04

right she's carrying a non-viable fetus continuing

2:06

to do so won't make it

2:08

more likely that you'll have a baby that will

2:10

survive but it will endanger her ability to have

2:13

a viable pregnancy in the future and it puts

2:15

her own health at risk but

2:17

Texas is far-right attorney general that's Ken

2:19

Paxton who only just recently survived an

2:22

impeachment effort from his own party that's

2:24

the same Ken Paxton by the way

2:26

who used his office to file a

2:28

lawsuit seeking to overturn the election results

2:30

in Wisconsin Pennsylvania Georgia and Michigan that

2:32

Ken Paxton he appealed the ruling

2:34

to the Texas Supreme Court which on

2:37

Friday halted the lower court's ruling so

2:39

it could have more time to issue a final

2:41

ruling Ken Paxton also warned both

2:43

miss Cox's husband that he could be

2:45

sued for helping his wife obtain an

2:47

abortion under Texas's bounty law and

2:49

he won the hospitals that they could

2:51

be sued for performing the abortion also

2:53

under Texas as bounty law Paxton

2:56

wrote in his appeal quote nothing can restore

2:58

the unborn child's life that would be lost

3:00

as a result and he wrote that

3:03

completely unwilling to acknowledge the

3:05

reality that the child's life will likely

3:07

already be lost because the fetus has

3:10

a fatal genetic condition and

3:12

so now we're in this limbo where this

3:14

poor woman who is carrying a non-viable fetus

3:16

is fighting for her life literally fighting for

3:18

her life and this partisan hack of an

3:20

attorney general has singled her out and threatened

3:22

prosecution if she dares have agency over her

3:24

own body and let's be clear this isn't

3:26

just about Kate Cox because there are tens

3:29

of thousands of other women across the state

3:31

who are seeing this play out and who

3:33

are watching these Republican officials throw the full

3:35

weight of their offices behind these threats and

3:37

so that will create a chilling effect where

3:39

women who don't have the means or

3:42

even the willingness to defend themselves in court or

3:44

you know to fly to a different state will

3:46

have to put themselves in danger to carry what

3:48

may very well be a dangerous pregnancy to term

3:50

or or just as valid to have a child

3:52

when they're not ready to have a child all

3:55

at the hands of a political party that has the

3:57

audacity to call itself the party of freedom And

4:00

so I know this is hard to hear.

4:02

This is one of those stories that legitimately

4:04

makes me sick. But it's important to hear,

4:07

because this is the manifestation of Republican rule.

4:09

It doesn't get much clearer than this. If

4:11

they have power, this is what will happen.

4:13

I mean, where they have power right now,

4:15

this is already happening. We're already here. This

4:17

is the dystopian future that all of us

4:20

Democrats warned about, while Republicans told us not

4:22

to be hysterical. It took, not

4:24

decades, but months before the worst case scenarios

4:26

in these states started playing out. Fucking bounty

4:28

laws to put $10,000 price tags on the

4:30

heads of those who help a woman get

4:32

an abortion. I mean, my God, in America,

4:34

in the year 2023. And

4:37

so mark my words, if this is

4:39

what they're willing to do in the lead up to

4:41

an election, just imagine what they'll

4:44

do after, when they're not accountable to

4:46

any voters. If this is what they're

4:48

willing to do after losing elections predicated

4:50

on abortion in Ohio, and

4:52

in Kansas, and in Virginia, and in Kentucky,

4:54

then clearly they are not concerned about the

4:56

will of the voters. Clearly, this is about

4:59

imposing their will on a population that doesn't

5:01

want it. This is about dominance. It's about

5:03

control. It's about power. And it is real

5:05

and it's happening in states across the country

5:08

where Republicans are in charge. The

5:10

fact is that we will have one shot to reverse

5:12

this tide. If Republicans are repudiated

5:14

in 2024, the Democrats can undo these

5:16

draconian laws and they can codify Roe

5:18

at the federal level. But

5:20

if Republicans win, they will take

5:23

that as permission to plow ahead, knowing that

5:25

there won't be any political penalty for stripping

5:27

women of their bodily autonomy. And then it's

5:29

off to the races. So I'm

5:31

covering this now because it is not normal, and

5:33

I'm not willing to accept it as normal, and

5:35

I'm certainly not willing to allow Republicans to normalize

5:38

it. But I also know that if we don't

5:40

talk about it, or if we lose hope, that

5:42

Republicans can ride that disillusionment to more power in

5:44

2024 and beyond. And

5:46

then what's happening to women like Kate Cox in

5:48

Texas will seem quaint compared to the stories that

5:50

we'll hear moving forward. So please, pay attention to

5:52

stories like this one and share stories like this

5:54

one, because if we don't do something about it

5:56

now, we might not have the chance to do

5:58

it in the future. Next

6:02

up is my interview with Gavin Newsom. I

7:00

do want to talk about your debate with

7:02

Ron DeSantis, but first, Sean Hannity gave this

7:16

whole monologue prior to the debate about how he would

7:18

be a fair and

7:20

impartial moderator. If

7:22

Hannity was any more in DeSantis' corner, he

7:24

would have asked Ron to like tag him

7:26

into the match. That's how obvious

7:28

it was. So what was your reaction to

7:30

Hannity's not so impartial

7:33

debate performance? I've been around

7:35

long enough. I shouldn't have been

7:37

surprised, but it is what it is. It

7:39

was what it was. I'm

7:42

still glad I did it. I think

7:44

it's important. Look, Fox

7:46

doesn't get alternative points of

7:48

view very often. It's a

7:50

doom loop. I thought it was important to

7:52

get in there however we could. I have 90

7:55

minutes interrupted. Can't say it

7:57

was uninterrupted. at

8:00

the end of the day, net positive regardless.

8:02

Now it's worth noting that DeSantis was like

8:04

one of those polishing dolls when it came

8:06

to repeating the line about how many more

8:09

Californians were moving to Florida, but you said

8:11

that per capita more Floridians moved to California

8:13

than Californians are moving to Florida and PolitiFact

8:15

rated that as true. So

8:17

what's your reaction to knowing that DeSantis'

8:19

most potent attack against you was actually

8:21

a lie? Well, I appreciate it. That

8:24

wasn't the only one. I mean, it just – it is

8:26

remarkable. And I think it is – it's the nature

8:28

of – it's interesting you bring

8:30

this – not just that issue that

8:33

per capita last couple years more Floridians

8:35

have moved to California than the other

8:37

way around, which is, again, completely contra

8:39

to his entire narrative and point.

8:42

But it was many other points that

8:44

he just simply said were a lie or

8:46

untrue or things that he asserted which were

8:48

lies or untruth that frankly

8:50

you get away with in politics nowadays because

8:52

how many people – I appreciate you bringing it up

8:55

– how many people read PolitiFact followed up after that?

8:57

They just move on to the next thing. And so

8:59

folks get away with this. I even saw a Republican

9:01

Party debate just the other night. Same

9:03

thing. People just asserting facts that

9:05

are not in evidence that don't exist that are

9:07

not true. Yet you get away with it in

9:09

that environment. So it's stubborn and it's hard. At

9:12

the same time, you don't want to necessarily be

9:14

in a debate where every single moment everybody pauses

9:16

and says, well, hold on. We're going

9:18

to fact check that and we'll be

9:20

back after this commercial break. So I don't know what

9:22

the right solution is to this, but it's

9:24

a big issue. When you

9:26

find yourself holding up a poop map,

9:29

as Ron DeSantis did, do you

9:31

think that generally comes from a place of strength?

9:34

I'll tell you, I honestly – I

9:37

looked – I'm not making this up. Literally

9:40

not making this up because

9:42

I had brought Ronald Reagan

9:44

up earlier in the debate. And

9:46

of course, I walk into his office, his

9:49

old gubernatorial office every day. I

9:51

looked at him. I said – I just said, this

9:53

is the guy that wants to be president of the United States. And

9:56

he looked like a guy running for city council. Yeah. I'm

9:59

kidding. District two in San Francisco

10:01

board of supervisors. I mean, that's an interesting

10:03

campaign. Sorry. It wasn't just the poop map

10:05

It was the porn map. Yeah,

10:08

you know, of course, we couldn't even bring in

10:10

our own pens and he broke

10:12

the poop map Oh, I'll spare you that the

10:14

nuances on that but or the particulars

10:16

on that but it was just it was it

10:18

was sad I thought I mean I get and

10:20

the whole premise of the debate. What's this guy

10:23

doing? Why I even said that I said I

10:25

know why I'm here. But Ron why are you here? You're

10:27

running for president States. I'm

10:29

not I'm a governor of the state of

10:31

California and you're spending 90 minutes talking

10:33

about things that pro-kill things Like

10:36

that and so I thought it was

10:38

a missed opportunity for him and he

10:40

just just reinforced why he's not qualified

10:42

to be president United States, you know

10:45

There was a moment where you explained

10:47

how Florida taxes low-income workers more than

10:49

California taxes millionaires and billionaires and the

10:51

Santa's response was to warn Americans about

10:53

Exporting the California model But one of

10:55

the most popular issues in America right

10:58

now is taxing the rich So how

11:00

I feel like it polls like an 80% So

11:03

what does that say about the Santa's is political

11:05

acumen that that's the issue on which he's gonna

11:07

attack you Or even the Republican

11:09

Party they talk about high-tax states look in the

11:11

mirror look at states like Texas I mean Texas

11:14

is really Texas even more than Florida for and

11:16

what you said is absolutely true They

11:19

tax these states these red

11:21

states overwhelming majority of the

11:23

red states Substantively Florida taxes

11:25

low-wage workers full-time workers more

11:27

than we tax millionaires and

11:29

billionaires And they call us a

11:32

high-tax state. How can you blame that? It's

11:34

who are you for and it's exposed in

11:36

this they talk about this populism and now

11:38

for the working folks in the middle class

11:40

They're not look at who they

11:43

tax look at their policies Look who they

11:45

benefit and I say Texas is a master

11:47

case class cases this because it's like 70

11:49

or 80 percent of Texans

11:52

pay more taxes and then a state like

11:54

California yet again when you read the Wall

11:56

Street Journal editorial board when you

11:58

watch the doom loop at Fox and One

12:01

American News and Newsmax, you hear exactly

12:03

the opposite. Again, another reason

12:05

I thought it was so important to get in on

12:07

that platform and express some real

12:09

truth. And can you just building on

12:11

that, can you speak on the fact that these

12:14

states that kind of beat their chest about

12:16

not taxing people and not

12:18

being like high-tax states like California and

12:20

New York are actually the ones that

12:22

are the most reliant on federal subsidies

12:25

and tax dollars from the federal government?

12:27

I mean, you've driven home that

12:29

message a number of times. Can you just speak

12:31

on that? Yeah, seven of the top 10 most

12:33

dependent states, dare I say taker states, are

12:36

red states. I mean, you look

12:38

at infant mortality, you look at maternal mortality,

12:41

you look at life expectancy, you look at

12:43

the gun death rate, the murder rate, seven

12:45

of the top 10 murder rates

12:47

in the United States are in

12:49

red states. In every category, these

12:52

guys are on the back end, the

12:54

wrong side. You want to compare blue

12:56

versus red, 71% of the nation's economic

13:00

output, 71% of the GDP in

13:02

the United States of America come

13:04

from Biden County, come

13:07

from blue counties in the United States.

13:09

I mean, in every category, the red

13:11

versus blue, it's to me not that

13:14

complex. The problem is they have this

13:16

surround sound doom loop anger machine. And

13:19

that's our great challenge, I think, for Democrats is

13:21

that we have got to counter that. And

13:24

for me, my iteration with this, I don't know,

13:26

good or bad, people may

13:28

be different or indifferent about what I did, I just

13:30

think it's important to meet people where they are and

13:32

at least try to get in there and

13:35

to try to go toe to toe with these guys,

13:37

because otherwise, we continue to live

13:39

in these filter bubbles. And theirs is a

13:41

very dangerous one, because it's leading us down

13:43

a path of illiberalism. It's leading us down

13:46

a path where again, as I

13:48

said the other night, education is being used as a

13:50

sword for cultural purge,

13:53

attacking minorities, attacking vulnerable communities, attacking not

13:55

just the LGBTQ community, women, but also

13:57

the black community. And one thing that

13:59

I wish I could have discussed a

14:02

little bit more in the Hannity debate

14:04

and DeSantis debate is what – No, you had

14:07

to write on the Hannity debate part. Yeah,

14:09

no, it was the Hannity and DeSantis

14:12

debate. But I mean, you know, talk

14:14

about cultural purge. I mean, these guys

14:16

are rewriting history, censoring historical facts. They

14:19

banned AP African-American studies in Florida.

14:21

This is a guy who literally

14:23

doubled down that somehow slavery

14:26

was some workforce development program. It's

14:28

a not extraordinary, extraordinary thing. And

14:31

they defend it and they assert it as a point of

14:33

pride. Right. And also you had

14:35

called him out on banning Toni Morrison books and he

14:37

pretended that that wasn't the case. It absolutely was the

14:39

case that was proven true again after the fact. But

14:42

again, there won't be any fact checks during the debate. And

14:45

if there is a fact check, it won't

14:47

pierce the hermetically sealed bubble that is right-wing

14:50

media. But to that point,

14:52

what has the response been like for you? Have

14:54

you heard from any Fox viewers, for example, in

14:56

the aftermath of that debate? Well, yeah, I heard

14:58

from my father-in-law. He got

15:01

a chance to watch me. Look,

15:05

it was interesting. Someone

15:08

told me it was an aside. I

15:10

don't know if it's true, but I was literally, I woke

15:13

up this morning and looked at my email

15:15

and someone said, hey, that debate you did

15:17

with Hannah got more views than even the

15:19

Republican primary debate the

15:21

other night. And they have obviously different networks. But the

15:24

point is a lot of folks tune in, including a

15:26

lot of Democrats, not just traditional Fox news

15:28

viewers. And I think what we saw was a long tail.

15:31

And I appreciate you highlighting some of the some

15:33

of the points of the debate. It was the

15:35

social media side of it. And it was the

15:38

clips that were like 10 X, 100 X of

15:40

the actual viewing audience. So, look, I think it

15:42

did break through. A lot of it was in

15:44

the silos and the lanes that were already in.

15:48

And, you know, the punditry was, as you predict,

15:50

sort of through the prism of red versus

15:52

blue. But look, I think

15:54

it's important for Democrats to show up. I think

15:56

it's important for Democrats to go on the offense.

15:58

I think it's important. Democrats to try

16:01

to shape the debate as opposed to

16:03

being shaped by the debate. DEI, ESG,

16:06

CRT, anything with three letters, IRS, FBI.

16:08

We're constantly on this defense. Even though

16:10

we have the goods, we have the

16:12

facts, we have the vast majority of

16:15

American people on the side of our

16:17

policies, our principles, our values, the things

16:19

we believe in, but we just have

16:22

to be able to promote them across

16:24

platforms and not just in our silos.

16:28

DeSantis believes that his strength is derived

16:30

from punching down on large swaths of

16:32

Americans that don't agree with his political

16:35

ideology. What does it say that you

16:37

have a guy who only knows how

16:39

to attack broad swaths of the electorate

16:41

who is also running to represent those

16:44

people as president of the United States?

16:47

Well, that was the thing about just the California

16:49

bastion. I mean, this is a tenfold American

16:51

economy. 27% of

16:53

all American jobs, 27% last

16:56

month came from the state of California.

16:58

We'll do the math on the 199,000

17:00

that came out today. Again, another argument

17:03

in favor of Bidenomics, 14.1 now

17:06

million new jobs, almost 14.2 million

17:08

jobs. It's 10 times, now 10 times more than

17:10

the last three Republican presidents combined. You

17:12

look at, by the way, just on the job

17:15

score, I think it's so important

17:17

for Democrats out there to understand this. Since

17:19

the end of the Cold War, since Reagan

17:21

left office, there have been 50 million American

17:23

jobs created, 48 million of them.

17:25

I'll repeat that. 48

17:27

out of 50 million American jobs

17:30

have been created under Democratic

17:32

administrations, not Republican administrations. The

17:34

last three Republican presidents have

17:37

one thing in common, recessions,

17:39

the last three. I

17:41

can't believe we've been debating the issue of jobs

17:43

in the economy and comparing the

17:46

contrasts of Republican parties. Look,

17:48

again, all of this expresses

17:51

itself in terms of the work we have

17:53

to do to lift up the work that

17:55

Biden and Harris and the Democratic

17:57

Party have broadly done. Then obviously,

18:00

Get things ready for the contrast and the compare

18:02

contrast is where we're gonna excel and that's why

18:04

I have great confidence going into 2024

18:07

not just on the basis of 2023 and 2022 2020 2018

18:12

where we've outperformed Democrats consistently

18:15

But also on the basis of our ability

18:17

to compare contrast with the likely Republican nominee

18:19

and I'm sorry Rhonda Santas That's not you.

18:22

That's Donald Trump You know You

18:24

brought up the idea that that Republicans how they

18:26

present themselves as the party of Job, job, jobs

18:28

and yet in the last 30 some

18:30

odd years They've created 4% of

18:33

the jobs while while the Democrats have created 96% of

18:35

them Can

18:37

you explain like did that inform your reason?

18:40

For going on this debate stage and debating

18:42

Rhonda Santas and because there are there are

18:44

those who say well Why isn't Biden the

18:46

one to go out there? So what kind

18:48

of what led you to be the one

18:50

to kind of take this mantle a little

18:52

frustration? I mean now I'm getting trouble

18:54

but I mean we

18:56

got to show up for this guy He's

18:58

shown up for us last three years the

19:01

American people the most significant economic plan. I

19:03

said it in the stage I'll say it

19:05

again to you since FDR the chips and

19:08

science acts the infrastructure bill the most significant

19:10

investments in infrastructure since Eisenhower 1.2

19:13

trillion dollars 550 billion new investment. So

19:15

I mean I'm we're seeing the benefits of

19:17

that California We just announced this morning the

19:19

six billion dollars coming into my state the

19:21

tens of thousands jobs May created just on

19:23

our first in the nation

19:25

high-speed rail program because of that infrastructure

19:27

investment I mean, he's doing things Republicans

19:29

dreamt of I mean Donald

19:32

Trump every week the punchline you

19:34

talked about it ad nauseam We

19:36

all have that punchline that was

19:38

infrastructure week the lowest black unemployment

19:40

in American history the lowest Unemployment

19:42

for women in 70 years the

19:44

lowest Hispanic unemployment in American history

19:46

the lowest poverty rates for African

19:48

Americans in American history the

19:50

highest Insured rates I mean across the

19:52

board if any one of those things remember you

19:54

heard Trump all the time So I'm the lowest

19:56

black unemployment and under me. He lost by the

19:58

way 2.9 That was

20:01

Trump's and close to $9 trillion

20:03

of debt. I mean,

20:05

and the fact that they're selling that as somehow

20:08

as a renaissance and prosperity in

20:10

the United States, Biden's actually delivered,

20:12

but we need to deliver that

20:14

message. And if it's

20:16

not someone else, then I just said, okay, if I'm

20:18

not gonna see other people do this, I

20:21

appreciate, Pete's been doing great. A lot of people

20:23

are doing amazing job. Like they're out

20:25

there for this guy, for our team

20:27

Biden, but I think we need to get

20:29

more of us. We need reinforcement with pride.

20:33

We're not pulling teeth here. We've got the

20:35

record. I mean, they don't, they

20:37

have rhetoric. They say, well, we're gonna lower interest

20:39

rates. Really? How are you gonna do that? We're

20:41

gonna, inflation's out of control. Well, what are you

20:43

gonna do about it? They got nothing. They

20:45

have, I mean, literally nothing. I read Ron DeSantis' plan. I

20:47

wanted to get into it in the debate. We

20:49

didn't have enough time. He didn't wanna talk about his

20:52

plan. He doesn't have a plan. I

20:54

was like, I'm at the debate stage

20:56

tonight. We're gonna repeal and replace Obamacare.

20:58

I mean, can't make it up. Did

21:00

you hear DeSantis' answer? It was literally

21:02

laughable. And what was more laughable is

21:05

that the moderators didn't even

21:07

follow up saying, was that

21:09

an answer or was that a joke? Yeah. I

21:12

mean, this is serious. Hundreds of millions of people's

21:14

lives can be disrupted if these

21:16

guys get their way. I mean,

21:18

DeSantis tried to pull that up 14 times he

21:21

voted against Obamacare. You got Trump now campaigning

21:23

on. I mean, this is

21:25

serious stuff. And so for me, yeah, I'm gonna

21:27

keep showing up until a lot of folks tell

21:29

me to stop or no one

21:31

wants to hear me anymore, which I get. But

21:34

I don't wanna be the only one. And we're

21:36

not. I mean, we got some great governors out

21:38

there, great mayors, great leaders out there in Congress

21:40

doing good work, but we need more. We just

21:42

do. We need surround

21:44

sound because this is Democrats

21:47

in legislatures matter, democratic governors

21:49

matter, democratic local leaders matter

21:52

and our president matters. And

21:55

I'll tell you, if we can't have the

21:57

back of the guy who's done more in three years than any

21:59

president in my lifetime. Democrats, I don't know what

22:01

we deserve. This guy's, he really,

22:03

this is a man of character,

22:05

decency, honesty, integrity,

22:08

and he's produced some extraordinary results. We have

22:10

a lot of work to do, get inflation

22:12

down further. I understand people's stress. I understand

22:15

what interest rates mean and don't mean, but

22:17

we're gonna see interest rates start coming down

22:19

next year. We're moving in the right

22:21

direction, and we have no peers. America

22:23

has no peers globally, which only reinforces

22:26

Biden's leadership. Yeah, I think that was

22:28

perfectly put. You know, this isn't gonna

22:30

be Ron DeSantis' last time on a

22:33

debate stage, so, and it

22:35

looks like he's gonna be going, he's gonna

22:37

be going at Nikki Haley, who is, for

22:39

all intents and purposes, eclipsed him, because this

22:41

race was his to lose, and he did

22:43

exactly that. So, do you have any advice

22:45

for Nikki Haley as she will prepare to

22:47

take the debate stage against Ron DeSantis? What

22:49

is his biggest weakness on the debate stage

22:52

as he moves forward? I think

22:54

you saw it on display, and it was

22:56

interesting. I saw some clips of the debate.

22:58

I'm assuming you're not talking about his effort

23:00

in trying to smile. I

23:03

wanna be fair. That's for

23:05

me, not from you. Some have

23:07

suggested there's an inauthenticity that...

23:12

Look, here's the interesting thing, and I don't mean

23:14

this as a personal slide. I meant when I

23:16

said at the end, he seems like a wonderful

23:19

husband, I mean, and a great father. He really

23:21

does, and I admire his service and is willing

23:23

to sacrifice in terms of his public service by

23:25

getting in the ring. None of that's

23:27

easy, and you see that on his face. This has been hard.

23:29

This has been hard. It's been humiliating. He's belly-plugged.

23:32

I mean, this guy, he was here, and now

23:35

he's down, as I said, 41%

23:38

in his own home state against

23:41

a guy who has

23:43

91-plus counts against him and is likely

23:45

to be convicted once, twice, three or

23:48

four times. That's hard, and

23:50

Nikki Haley, accordingly, is now moving past

23:52

him. So I was

23:55

hoping, and here's the long-winded point, I was hoping

23:57

between those takes, before the debate...

26:00

and things that young people in particular care about

26:03

deeply. But, you know,

26:05

we'll save that for another time, another opportunity.

26:07

And you Republicans reach out to you about

26:09

debating you in the aftermath of that desantis

26:12

debate? Well, not

26:14

surprisingly. I mentioned some of my family members,

26:16

Republicans, and I have a lot of Republican

26:18

friends. And I don't, you know, my goal

26:21

is, I have to represent

26:23

everyone. I represent the largest state size

26:25

of 21 state populations combined. It's

26:27

the fifth largest economy on planet Earth, soon

26:30

to be fourth, likely, very likely. And

26:33

I represent everybody. You don't have to

26:35

like me, try to recall me, disagree

26:37

with me, have deep respect. Because we

26:39

all, at the end of the day, we all want to be

26:41

loved. We all need to be loved. I talked at the end

26:43

of the debate about everybody wants to

26:45

be protected, respected, connected to something bigger than

26:47

themselves. And so, yeah, I had a lot

26:50

of Republican friends call, and if nothing else,

26:52

they said, good for you. Yeah, but

26:55

any politicians reach out about about getting

26:57

getting in the ring with you? Well,

26:59

I know I didn't get anybody said,

27:01

hey, next. But so, look, I don't

27:03

know if I did that. That's a

27:06

compliment or not. Right. But look, I,

27:08

hey, I'm ready. I enjoyed that. And

27:10

I said at the end, let's keep

27:12

going. That was fun. And as

27:14

I said, we got a lot more in the

27:16

tank. So I'm looking forward to getting back on

27:19

the stage for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, getting

27:21

back on the stage for Team Blue, getting back

27:23

on the stage. Getting back on the stage for

27:25

our values, which I think are universal that are

27:27

shared by the vast majority of Americans and get

27:29

on the stage for the next generation that deserves

27:31

better than the Republican Party. And just

27:34

I know we're getting close to the end. I

27:36

cannot impress upon you more how consequential this moment

27:38

is. I began that

27:40

debate by talking about these guys putting

27:42

America in reverse. That's not exaggerated.

27:45

They do want to bring us

27:47

back to pre-1960s world. They're very

27:49

intentional about it. Voting rights, civil

27:51

rights, LGBTQ rights. It's

27:53

not just, as I said, access to reproductive

27:56

care. I mean, it's also access to simple

27:59

things like contraception. that these guys are coming

28:01

after. It's a very, very

28:04

meaningful moment. And I know we may

28:06

have some different points of

28:08

view on a lot of complex issues. Democrats,

28:10

I love that about our party. We express

28:12

ourselves in different shades of blue,

28:14

but I hope at the end of the

28:16

day, we all get on board and we

28:18

recognize our responsibility

28:21

to meet this moment in this campaign head on

28:23

and go to bat for this

28:26

guy and our president and this administration. Well,

28:28

I appreciate you bringing the fight to their

28:30

home turf and reaching those voters where they

28:32

are. Governor Newsom, thanks for taking the

28:34

time. It's great to be with you as always. Thanks

28:37

again to Governor Newsom. That's it for this episode. Talk

28:39

to you next week. You've

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