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I interviewed congresswoman Jasmine Crockett about the disastrous

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Robert Herr testimony that proved his lies about

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Joe Biden, whether the Biden impeachment effort is

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All right,

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so just days ago, Mike Pence was asked whether

0:51

he would endorse Donald Trump and this is what

0:53

he said. Will you be endorsing

0:55

your former president? You

0:57

were on the ticket with him last time around. Well,

1:00

Martha, I appreciate the question and

1:03

it should come as no surprise that I will not be

1:05

endorsing Donald Trump this year. Look,

1:08

I'm incredibly proud of

1:10

the record of our administration. It was

1:12

a conservative record that made America more

1:15

prosperous, more secure and saw conservatives appointed

1:17

to our course in a more peaceful

1:19

world. But

1:22

that being said, during my presidential campaign, I

1:25

made it clear that there were profound differences

1:28

between me and President Trump on a

1:30

range of issues and not

1:33

just our difference on my constitutional

1:35

duties that I exercised on

1:37

January the 6th. I

1:40

mean, as I have watched his candidacy unfold, I've

1:42

seen him walking away from

1:45

our commitment to confronting the

1:47

national debt. I've seen

1:49

him starting to shy away from

1:51

a commitment to the

1:53

sanctity of human life. And this

1:55

last week is his reversal on

1:59

getting tough on Democrats. China and

2:02

supporting our administration's effort

2:05

to force a

2:07

sale of ByteDance

2:09

TikTok application. Why do

2:11

you think he did that? Why do you think he had that reversal on

2:14

that before we go, sir? Well, I

2:16

can't speculate on it, but what I can tell

2:18

you is that in each

2:20

of these cases, Donald Trump

2:22

is pursuing and articulating an agenda

2:24

that is at odds with the

2:26

conservative agenda that we governed on

2:29

during our four years. And that's

2:31

why I cannot in good conscience

2:34

endorse Donald Trump in this campaign. And so I

2:36

know it might not be shocking that the guy

2:38

who Trump tried to have hanged on January 6th

2:40

was ultimately choose not to endorse him, but I'd

2:42

argue that it is quite significant for two

2:44

reasons. First, virtually all of Trump's cabinet

2:46

members and aides and officials have come

2:48

out against him. I'm

2:51

talking Mike Pence, John Kelly, John

2:53

Bolton, Bill Barr, Mark Milley, Rex

2:55

Tillerson, Mick Mulvaney, Chris Christie, HR

2:57

McMaster, Anthony Scaramucci, Stephanie Grisham, Richard

2:59

Spencer, Tom Bossert, Michael Cohen, Ty

3:01

Cobb, Elisafara Griffin, Sarah Matthews, Cassidy

3:03

Hutchinson, James Mattis, and Mark Esper.

3:05

Esper just came out this week

3:07

and said that Trump wanted the

3:09

US military to kill Americans. And

3:12

so if these people, the people who

3:14

knew him best, who worked most closely with

3:16

him, if they've come out against Donald Trump,

3:18

then maybe that's something worth listening to and

3:21

something that a number of Republican voters will

3:23

listen to. Which is not to

3:25

say that Mike Pence is some electoral juggernaut, but

3:27

the fact that Trump's own vice president won't endorse

3:30

him will have an impact on the margins in

3:32

the same way that Nikki Haley's refusal to endorse

3:34

him so far will have an impact on the

3:36

margins. And not for nothing, but

3:38

the margins are how these elections are won. It's

3:40

not a game of miles, it is a game

3:42

of inches. Remember, Biden beat

3:45

Trump in Georgia by only 12,000 votes, in Wisconsin

3:47

by only 20,000 votes. These

3:49

are razor-thin margins, all less than a

3:51

point. And so for Trump to

3:53

lose these influential figures, that's not going to

3:56

help him retain even those Republicans, much less

3:58

expand his base out to independent- Democrats

4:00

who he would need to win that's

4:03

the first reason the second and more broadly

4:05

Donald Trump derives his strength from the optics

4:07

that he's got total control over his party

4:10

that's how autocrats derive power but when

4:12

the dam starts to break and suddenly becomes

4:14

clear that not only does Trump not have

4:17

total control he doesn't even have control of

4:19

the people who worked the closest with him

4:21

or his own Republican base then the appeal

4:23

of Donald Trump as like this invincible force

4:26

wears off not only does the

4:28

reality begin to don on the GOP that Trump

4:30

is not only the isn't some unbeatable Goliath when

4:32

it comes to Joe Biden which by the way

4:34

should already be debunked considering Biden beat him in

4:36

2020 but it gets that

4:38

much worse for him and you realize he's

4:40

not even able to get his own party

4:42

support he's losing his own officials and AIDS

4:44

he lost his own vice president talk about

4:47

piercing the bubble. Now with

4:49

that said the usual caveat applies it doesn't

4:51

matter if Donald Trump loses the endorsement of

4:53

every Republican official in the entire country our

4:55

job doesn't change we still organize we still

4:58

stay engaged we still work on our circles

5:00

of people like don't look at the polls

5:02

or the primary results of the endorsements of

5:04

the rallies none of it matters it's noise

5:07

and mostly. It's used to

5:09

be cherry-pecked by the media to sell whatever narrative

5:11

they want to sell which is usually one

5:13

that'll you know convey the most drama because for

5:15

them it's just a big game it's just sports

5:17

they don't seem to realize that we all fail

5:20

democracy fails we're all on this plane together if

5:22

it goes down we all die. So

5:24

ignore the horse race coverage and just

5:26

do the work work on your people

5:29

work on your circles because we know

5:31

what Donald Trump's own officials have now

5:33

made abundantly clear that he shouldn't be

5:35

anywhere near the Oval Office again. Next

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we've got Texas Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett. Thanks for taking

6:44

the time. Absolutely. It's great to see you. You

6:48

too. So I know that there are

6:50

two discharge petitions in play right now

6:52

to circumvent Republican Speaker Mike Johnson's refusal

6:54

to bring foreign aid up for a

6:56

vote by himself in the

6:58

House. So what's the status of those discharge

7:00

petitions and which one is looking more likely

7:02

to get taken up? Well,

7:05

considering the fact that Democrats are in the

7:07

minority, I would anticipate, if anything,

7:09

the Republicans may be able to get the

7:11

signatures. But a

7:13

big part of me says that they won't. You know,

7:15

I don't know. I don't know what type of grip

7:19

the Republicans currently have over their conference. Obviously,

7:21

it's been a little out of control.

7:23

We saw Ken Buck, who decided to

7:25

buck the system this week and let

7:28

them know that he was on his

7:30

way out. You know, I invite him

7:32

to go ahead and sign the discharge

7:34

petition that was started by McGovern. We

7:37

only need two signatures and his signature

7:39

will count even though he's gone.

7:42

So, you know, on his way out the

7:44

door, another good F you would be to

7:46

go ahead and sign the discharge petition that

7:48

McGovern brought, which just so that everybody is

7:50

clear on the difference of the two. The

7:53

discharge petition that was brought by the Democrats

7:55

is the most recent version of

7:57

what the Senate has passed as it relates to

7:59

foreign aid. aid. The one

8:02

that was bought by the Republicans includes

8:04

what Donald Trump told them not to do,

8:07

which was a, I don't even

8:10

want to say an immigration bill, but

8:12

it's foreign aid plus quote-unquote

8:14

border security. To that point then,

8:16

have no Republicans signed on to either discharge

8:19

petition thus far? Not that I'm aware of.

8:21

Okay. Changing topics a little

8:24

bit. Robert Herr was the US Attorney

8:26

appointed to investigate Joe Biden over his

8:28

retention of classified documents, which by the

8:30

way for those watching and listening right

8:32

now is not the equivalent of Trump's

8:34

because Joe Biden cooperated with the National

8:36

Archives, whereas Donald Trump ignored a request

8:38

and ignored a subpoena and

8:40

ultimately forced the Magistrate Judge to approve a

8:42

search warrant that was executed by the FBI

8:44

at Mar-a-Lago. What was

8:46

your reaction to the revelation that he lied

8:48

about Biden's memory, even suggesting that he didn't

8:51

remember the date that his own son died,

8:53

which the transcript now shows that he remembered

8:55

perfectly? I mean, I wasn't

8:57

surprised. You know, I think the American

9:00

people had a great opportunity to assess

9:02

whether or not we have a senile

9:04

old feeble man in the White House

9:06

when he gave his State of the

9:09

Union address. I think that the President

9:11

reminded the American people that he is

9:13

the strong guy that made sure that

9:16

he course-corrected as Trump was basically leading

9:18

us into a death trap as it

9:20

relates to COVID-19. For whatever reason, people

9:23

forget how many people were dying before

9:26

Joe Biden came into office and made

9:28

sure that we could get shot in arms

9:31

and save lives. Instead, that party continues

9:33

to put this information around things such

9:35

as the vaccine. We were able to

9:37

finally get our economy back on track.

9:40

In fact, we have reeled back in

9:42

a way that no other country has

9:44

been able to recover since COVID-19. Is

9:47

there still more work to do? Absolutely.

9:49

But are we leading the world we

9:51

are? And that's who we're supposed to

9:53

be. You know, watching

9:56

her testify was quite skin-crawling

9:59

to me. personally, I did

10:01

not care for his report. On the day

10:03

that his report came out, we were actually

10:05

at our Dem Issues Conference, and

10:08

I got an alert that the report came out,

10:10

and then the president came on stage and

10:13

gave some remarks to us, and then he

10:15

laid out that this report came out, and

10:18

it was made clear that he disagreed

10:20

with some of the things in the

10:22

report. And so, you

10:24

know, we went out as Democrats, and I

10:26

felt like we were on the defense trying

10:29

to say he's not senile

10:31

and old and feeble. Yeah. And

10:33

so, ultimately, I think that people

10:35

saw for themselves, though. Yeah, I think

10:38

that's a great point. I mean, even, you know,

10:40

this is the second State of the Union now,

10:42

where that has been put on full display, and

10:44

I think Republicans really revel in

10:46

Americans not seeing him as frequently, because every

10:49

day that we're not seeing him make

10:52

some big speech like the State of the Union was,

10:54

that vacuum is then filled with the same narrative that

10:56

he doesn't know what day it is, he doesn't know

10:58

how to tie his shoes, but then it's completely undermined

11:00

the second that we see this guy come out and

11:02

do what he did at the State of the Union,

11:05

which was to not only deliver a home

11:07

run of a speech, but

11:10

then even challenge Republicans in numerous

11:12

occasions, and at least to

11:14

their mild credit, learns their lesson from

11:17

last year in terms of

11:19

not trying to heckle him too hard, because

11:21

they got embarrassed. Everyone except for Margry Thalerine,

11:23

of course. She will never learn. And

11:26

I just wanna say, you know, to the point

11:28

about the vacuum, this isn't

11:30

a president who will be known for

11:32

his speaking ability. This is not President

11:35

Obama. People forget that the president actually

11:37

has a stutter. You know, I think

11:39

it was so beautiful that this week,

11:42

it was kind of a reminder as

11:44

he was talking to another kiddo that

11:46

stutters, and there is no magic pill

11:49

that you take for stuttering. So as

11:51

he makes gaffs as they're frequently called,

11:53

I don't look at them as gaffs.

11:55

I look at it as this man

11:58

has a speaking impediment that he- He

12:00

has worked his entire life to

12:02

overcome and people forget that. And

12:04

so speaking isn't necessarily what he

12:06

will be known for, but getting

12:09

things done for the American people,

12:11

that is what he'll go down in the history books for

12:13

being able to do. Yeah. Well

12:16

said. Also, I would rather have a

12:18

president who has a stutter than one who thinks that

12:20

World War II hasn't happened yet, or that the current

12:22

president is Barack Obama, or that you need ID to

12:24

buy bread, or that you can stop... Or you don't

12:26

remember who your ex-wife is. What is happening? Or

12:30

that you could stop a hurricane with a Sharpie,

12:32

or that the list was on and on. Yes,

12:35

or just inject yourself with beliefs and you

12:37

won't have COVID anymore, you won't have a

12:39

lot of stuff, such as a life, but

12:41

nevertheless. Nevertheless, do you think

12:43

it was a mistake for Merrick Garland

12:46

to allow a partisan Republican U.S. attorney

12:48

to oversee an investigation into Joe Biden

12:50

that would ultimately give him a platform

12:53

to land a really damaging attack against

12:55

him? I think

12:57

that there are those

12:59

of us of my

13:01

political generation, and

13:03

then there are those of us,

13:05

say, of Merrick Garland and President

13:07

Biden's political generation. The

13:10

people that believe that certain

13:14

things are black and white, and

13:17

those of us in my generation understand that

13:19

it's just a bunch of games that are

13:21

being played nowadays. And so I

13:23

think that Merrick Garland leans

13:26

into the old school frame. I

13:28

thought, like, hey, this is clear.

13:30

He can do this. He'll be

13:32

fair. And ultimately, he was

13:34

fair. Now, did

13:37

he add a little extra? Absolutely.

13:40

But did he go so far as

13:42

to charge the president? No. And

13:44

ultimately, while he landed the jabs that

13:46

he landed, I think that

13:48

it is going to be very helpful, not

13:51

that it really matters to the MAGA

13:53

crowd, that this was another Republican. This

13:55

wasn't a Democrat. So you can't say

13:57

the fix was in. your

14:00

guys, right? But they always say the

14:02

fix is in, even when you look

14:04

at the prosecution in Georgia, they say

14:06

the fix is in in Georgia, forgetting

14:08

that the people that have pled guilty

14:10

thus far are Trump's people.

14:13

They're Republicans. These aren't Democrats

14:15

making up stuff. So, I

14:17

mean, you know, trying to

14:20

do something that will make sense

14:22

to a cult-like mind

14:24

is problematic to me. Like, just

14:26

forget it. Just make sure you

14:28

get someone who's gonna do right.

14:30

And I think a Democratic appointee

14:32

probably would have been better under the

14:35

circumstances. Yeah, I feel like we do

14:37

have to get better at recognizing, like,

14:39

the danger situations we put ourselves in

14:42

by constantly offering up goodwill to partisan

14:44

Republicans who will then, you know, use

14:46

that as a cudgel to wield against

14:48

Democrats. And we don't learn our

14:51

lesson, and we do this a lot. And

14:53

so, I think that, like, recognizing what the

14:55

dangers could be beforehand by, oh, I don't

14:57

know, appointing a partisan Republican U.S. attorney to

14:59

be able to release a

15:01

report unvetted about Joe Biden might

15:04

not be such a great idea, especially in

15:07

an election year, especially knowing the disinformation media

15:09

machine that operates on the right and how

15:11

anything in that report could be kind of

15:13

twisted on its face and used against Democrats.

15:15

And we've seen them manipulate these

15:18

reports in the past. The Bill Barr summary

15:20

of the Mueller report was the exact same

15:23

thing. We're in those instances. It said the

15:25

polar opposite of what the Mueller report actually

15:27

said. Absolutely. And even what

15:29

was so interesting when he testified

15:31

and while he's a lawyer, he

15:33

knew the questions that were being

15:35

asked of him. And so, I

15:37

remember there was an exchange between he and

15:40

Swalwell. And at some point in time, Swalwell

15:42

was asking him questions about, well, did you

15:44

say, and he's like, well, it

15:47

says on the transcript, son, that's technically

15:49

not answering the question, right? Like you're

15:51

trying to act like it's in the,

15:53

no, did you say it or not?

15:55

Like he was being very evasive. Yeah.

15:58

You know, there are people that are like, Oh, he

16:00

did everything that he was supposed to

16:02

do because Democrats weren't happy and Republicans weren't

16:04

happy. This wasn't about being happy. This

16:06

was about getting to the bottom of why

16:09

did you need hundreds of pages to

16:12

say very simply that the president

16:14

of the United States, while

16:17

yes, he did actually physically possess

16:20

classified documents, there wasn't enough to charge

16:23

him. And one of the distinctions that

16:25

still failed to be brought out that

16:27

I thought was really interesting when I

16:29

read the report is that

16:31

the president kept diary. He

16:34

actually took notes. So some

16:36

of that classified information was information

16:38

that he technically created himself. That

16:41

can be a little bit more

16:43

confusing than say someone like Trump

16:45

taking other classified documents because see

16:48

Biden was listening in when he was

16:50

having classified briefings. Trump was

16:53

not, right? And so he would

16:55

actually take copious notes. And historically

16:57

we've had presidents that have had

16:59

diaries and they said, Mr. President,

17:01

you weren't supposed to have that

17:03

information and they take their diaries.

17:06

That is a big difference, at least in

17:08

my mind. Yeah, I mean, it's crazy to

17:10

think that you have one president who immediately

17:12

cooperated with authorities while retaining classified documents. And

17:14

you have another president who ignored multiple requests

17:17

to give back those documents. And yet somehow

17:19

Joe Biden is the villain in all of

17:21

this, even though he did what he was

17:23

supposed to do, he did what all the

17:25

other presidents and vice presidents who retain classified

17:27

documents have done. And yet somehow Donald Trump

17:30

is completely absolved, but that's- Well,

17:32

it's not even just that though, because

17:34

what he also did was he specifically

17:36

tried to cover up. That's

17:38

the other part. That's the terminology, right?

17:41

Like it's not just, oh, I ignored

17:43

it. I was busy, I was golfing.

17:45

No, this guy was like, yo,

17:47

where are the tapes and Mira

17:49

Wago? How far did they

17:51

go back? He's talking about flooding the tape

17:54

room. Like what are we doing here? Like

17:56

delete it all, like all the things. Like

18:00

that next level. please find me

18:02

what other presidents all the i'm

18:05

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end of this republic never to impeach

19:56

to biden based on zero evidence whatsoever

19:59

despite their smoking gun witness being indicted

20:01

for lying about the claims which

20:03

served as the basis for this impeachment inquiry and

20:06

despite zero forward movement. I mean, we've learned nothing

20:08

over the last few months. And I feel, by

20:10

the way, like I've asked this question

20:12

to a million different people, a million different times,

20:14

and everybody with half a brain always says, of

20:16

course it's over, and then here we

20:18

are. I know, Bette. I mean,

20:21

the fact that we got started tells you

20:23

everything that we need to know about these

20:25

clowns, right? Like, there was nothing to start

20:27

with in the first place. So

20:29

nothing from nothing begets

20:31

nothing, right? And so like,

20:33

if you started it, why would

20:36

you stop it when it's all the

20:38

same, right? Like, this is about embarrassment.

20:40

This is about, you know, showing their

20:43

loyalty to Trump. This is about literally

20:45

bending the knee and saying, hey, master,

20:47

look what we're doing for you. We're

20:50

going after Joe Biden and impeachment because they

20:52

went after you two times. Nevermind

20:54

the fact that the two times they

20:56

went after you, it led to 91

20:58

counts of indictments. Nevermind the

21:00

fact that when they went after you,

21:02

it led to you being found liable

21:05

in so many civil courts for

21:08

various things. Nevermind the time

21:10

that they went after you. They

21:12

didn't even go after you for all

21:14

your China money. And y'all are worried

21:17

about $5 million that never existed that

21:19

you supposedly got word of

21:21

from someone who may be a

21:24

Russian spy. Oh yeah. Okay.

21:26

That's cool. Like, I mean,

21:29

it's just insanity, but they literally

21:31

don't want to govern and they'd

21:33

rather do this clown side show.

21:35

So instead of making sure that

21:38

we've got a budget, we focused

21:40

on playing with the

21:42

president and his family. Well,

21:44

speaking of the clown show, the ringleader

21:46

of all of this, Mike Johnson came

21:48

out in opposition to federal protections for

21:50

IVF. So how does that

21:52

square with the position that your House

21:54

Republican colleagues are kind

21:57

of desperately trying to convey that

21:59

somehow fine with IBS. I

22:03

may listen to the Republicans refuse to

22:05

listen to a little known thing is

22:07

science or experts.

22:09

We learned that in the midst of

22:11

COVID and you know

22:14

their failure to educate themselves

22:16

or rely upon those that

22:19

are experts in the field

22:21

is leading them down this very narrow

22:26

rabbit hole. I mean when

22:28

they decided to go after our repo

22:30

right in general when we start talking

22:33

about abortion and wanting to define it

22:35

you can define it based on what

22:37

you can learn in your Bible. I'm

22:40

just saying that's not what you need to

22:42

do. We have this thing called separation of

22:44

state and church and you need to understand

22:46

what that is before you enter government right.

22:48

So do whatever you want to do at

22:50

church pray to whoever you want

22:53

to pray to go and consult with whatever

22:55

pastor Rabbi whoever you want to holla at.

22:58

But when it comes to governing in

23:00

a country that does not have

23:02

an official religion when it

23:05

comes to governing in a country

23:07

that is built upon immigrants and

23:10

is diverse as any other country that

23:12

you can find in this world we've

23:14

got to be smarter than that and we've

23:17

got to say people have a right to

23:19

do what they need to do. And

23:21

that's not to infringe upon people's religious rights.

23:24

If some woman says because

23:26

of my religious beliefs I

23:28

cannot engage in IDS

23:31

that's cool. Nobody's gonna

23:33

force you to. But what if somebody

23:35

else doesn't believe what you believe. Are you

23:37

telling her that she shouldn't have an

23:39

opportunity to have a family. That's

23:42

not what freedom looks like and we allegedly

23:44

live in the land of the free. This

23:46

is where the problem comes

23:48

in because they want to

23:50

dictate that everybody's life has to

23:52

be this random Christo fascist

23:55

situation. And

23:57

that's just not who we are as a man.

24:00

unless they want to amend the Constitution and

24:02

add that we are Christo-fascist. Right.

24:05

It's complete freedom so long as it's

24:08

the freedom to live your life the

24:10

way that they live their lives. Otherwise,

24:12

it's no freedom whatsoever. Absolutely. You had

24:14

mentioned Ken Buck just prior. Obviously, he

24:16

timed his retirement in such a way

24:19

that would force Lauren Boebert to either

24:21

decide to resign from Congress to run

24:23

in the special election for Colorado's fourth

24:25

congressional district or to stay in Congress

24:28

and then have to basically go up

24:30

against a new incumbent in

24:32

Colorado's fourth. What's happening

24:34

behind the scenes? By

24:37

the way, Ken Buck, I know, is no

24:39

moderate Republican. He's no liberal.

24:42

So what's happening behind the scenes there that

24:45

is surrounding this inter-party

24:48

feud? Yeah. I

24:50

mean, it's just the continual implosion. I

24:53

will say this for Ken Buck. We

24:55

probably won't ever agree on much

24:57

in life, but I can

25:00

appreciate someone that has a

25:03

principle based upon something. Right.

25:05

Like, I may not agree with your principle,

25:08

but it's based upon something. And this

25:10

is a guy who is what the

25:13

freedom pockets used to look like. Right.

25:15

This guy absolutely believes that Joe Biden

25:17

won the election. He does

25:20

not believe in this BS

25:22

that has been spewed about

25:24

the fact that the election

25:26

was stolen. Number one, he

25:28

also used to not believe

25:30

in the fact that there was enough

25:33

evidence for an impeachment inquiry on

25:35

the president. He also refused to

25:37

support Jim Jordan because he absolutely

25:40

felt like he was not the

25:42

one that should be the

25:44

Speaker of the House. So he

25:46

has taken some stances that have been

25:48

opposite to a

25:51

lot of the freedom pockets, which

25:53

has caused him some problems. And, you

25:55

know, I think that is

25:57

just so poetic because I don't believe. believe

26:00

that Kim Buck, when he started

26:02

in the 118th, had any inclination

26:05

that he would end up resigned, let

26:07

alone leaving early. But it's like

26:09

they continue to push buttons like

26:12

when they were going through the speaker vote,

26:15

what happened is he ended up being kicked out of his

26:17

office by a MAGA landlord

26:19

because he wouldn't support Jim Jordan.

26:23

And he was receiving all types of threats.

26:25

That is beyond the pale. Like this

26:27

is where they go. We

26:30

don't do this. We don't send

26:32

threats to our members. We

26:34

don't do any of that kind of stuff on our side

26:36

of the aisle. And you know,

26:38

the day that he announced that he was

26:40

retiring was the day of

26:42

the her hearing or that he was leaving early.

26:45

And in that hearing, because he

26:47

sits on judiciary, Jim Jordan specifically

26:50

ignored him. So he is

26:52

like the third senior most person

26:54

on that committee. And

26:56

Jim Jordan wouldn't call on him. And I

26:58

guess Ken said, you know what, to him

27:00

with all of y'all. I'm

27:03

gonna leave and put y'all in a bind because

27:05

I don't have to stay here. Yeah.

27:07

Well, to your point, he should find that discharged petition

27:09

before he leaves. If he's looking to get

27:12

one last one last jab in there, that would be a

27:14

good way to do it. What's

27:16

sad, especially about that is that, you know,

27:18

you do have these people who granted are

27:20

not, you know, may not be

27:22

moderate, may not be some resistance

27:25

heroes, but like who have at least the

27:27

courage to stand up and speak

27:29

out against their own party on certain issues. And

27:31

those people, while it's great that they're willing to

27:33

do that, when those people leave, they're inevitably going

27:36

to be replaced by somebody who is willing to toe

27:38

the party line because that's how it works. That's how you get

27:40

out of a Republican primary. And so while it's good for the

27:42

moment that we have the Ken Bucks

27:44

of the party, like the Mitt Romney's of

27:46

the party who are willing to speak out,

27:48

they'll inevitably get replaced by somebody who's far,

27:50

far worse. Absolutely.

27:52

The fact that Lauren Boebert

27:54

has not done well in

27:57

any poll in Ken

27:59

Buck's district. And

28:01

they're not picking someone who's more

28:03

moderate than her. They

28:06

are most likely picking someone who's worse

28:08

than her. Now, will this person

28:11

be able to garner the attention and all

28:13

that kind of stuff? Who knows? We'll find

28:15

out, but that is a really bad sign.

28:18

Yeah. Well, good news is for Boebert, if

28:20

she doesn't land in Congress next cycle, she

28:22

can give more of her time to her

28:24

true passion in life, which is attending musicals.

28:27

So one more question here,

28:29

and that is, while we're on

28:32

the topic of getting some behind-the-scenes insight,

28:34

I need to know what your Republican

28:36

colleagues were saying about Katie Britt's big

28:39

acting debut in her Republican response to

28:41

the State of the Union. They

28:44

actually have been really quiet about it, at

28:46

least to us. I mean, no one said

28:48

anything. Well, that checks out. I

28:50

probably wouldn't be too vocal about that

28:52

either if I was too short. Exactly.

28:54

I'm sure if it was like a

28:56

really great performance, like they would have

28:58

been talking about it, they would have

29:01

been repeating different parts of it, things like

29:03

that. Instead, they've kind of been

29:05

real quiet about it, kind of like Fox

29:07

News. Fox News just wanted this

29:09

to go away. And,

29:12

you know, it's interesting because I was just watching

29:14

where she did the

29:16

podcast with my junior senator, Ted

29:18

Cruz, and she was really laughing

29:20

it up. And supposedly she's been

29:23

raising money off of

29:25

this poor performance. It's crazy.

29:27

She's talking about how she's

29:29

been attacked by the left. And

29:31

I'm like, if you consider facts

29:34

and attacks, okay. But,

29:36

lady, you went out there and lied,

29:38

right? And it wasn't even like other

29:41

members or other electeds that

29:43

went and researched you. A

29:47

man got on TikTok and did a

29:49

few Google searches and blew up the

29:51

whole spot. And basically, like

29:54

all the journalists are like, wait a minute, let's

29:56

back check what the TikToker said. Like, lady,

29:58

just like that. Do better. Do

30:01

better. Everybody needs to do better. You,

30:03

your team, everybody needs to do better. You know what?

30:05

Take a page out of Melania's book and try

30:08

to be best, Katie Britt, I think is the message

30:10

that's coming out of this. With that said, Congresswoman, thank

30:12

you so much for taking the time. I appreciate it.

30:14

Have a good one. Thanks

30:17

again to Congresswoman Crockett. That's it for this episode.

30:19

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