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And I interview Senator Tammy Baldwin about Trump's promises

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in 2024. I'm Brian

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Tyler Cohen, and you're listening to No Lie. So

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we've got a new major legal hurdle for Donald

0:47

Trump. At a time where he's trying

0:50

to figure out ways to avoid his ongoing lawsuits,

0:52

a judge has now ruled that he can be

0:54

sued in civil lawsuits related to the insurrection on

0:56

January Which means three

0:58

existing January 6th lawsuits are now allowed

1:00

to proceed, including those brought by Capitol

1:02

police officers and two members of Congress.

1:04

It also means that other lawsuits may

1:06

be able to proceed as well, meaning

1:08

that far from figuring out ways to

1:10

wind down his court appearances by seeking

1:13

to get his criminal cases thrown out,

1:15

he may very well find himself contending

1:17

with half a dozen civil lawsuits over

1:19

his incitement of the insurrection on January

1:21

6th. The decision was handed down

1:23

by an appeals court that said that Donald Trump

1:25

does not have presidential immunity, which has been Trump's

1:27

ongoing excuse that he's protected from

1:29

litigation because everything he did as president

1:31

was protected as an official duty. The

1:34

court didn't agree with the opinion laying out

1:36

that not everything a president does in office

1:38

is protected from liability. Quote, the

1:40

president does not spend every minute of

1:42

every day exercising official responsibilities. And when

1:44

he acts outside the functions of his

1:47

office, he does not continue to enjoy

1:49

immunity. When he acts in an unofficial

1:51

private capacity, he is subject to civil

1:53

suits like any private citizen. And

1:55

just gonna go out on a limb here, but

1:58

Donald Trump lying that a free and fair election

2:00

was stolen. and simply because he wasn't happy with

2:02

the results and then inciting an insurrection against the

2:04

seat of ... government to prevent the electoral vote

2:06

certification doesn't exactly fall into the bucket of

2:09

official ... presidential duties I mean think about

2:11

it by Trump's logic he could command his

2:13

supporters to shoot ... someone right

2:15

in front of the White House or even shoot someone

2:17

himself and yet defer all ... responsibility

2:20

under this absurd notion that he isn't subject to any

2:22

liability because he's got blanket ... immunity as president regardless

2:24

of whether his actions actually ... comport

2:27

with his presidential oath or not which of course is

2:29

insane and so because he acted ... outside

2:32

the scope of his duties while performing those actions

2:34

he is not protected by ... presidential immunity and

2:36

therefore can be subject to lawsuits so tough day

2:38

for Donald Trump when ... he has to find

2:40

out that being president doesn't actually make you a king

2:42

but here's the ... interesting part it's not just civil lawsuits

2:44

with this decision will actually impact Trump it can ... also

2:48

impact him in his ongoing criminal prosecution in Washington DC I spoke

2:50

with ... former federal

2:52

prosecutor Glenn Kirchner about this issue and here's what he

2:54

had to say. I love

2:56

this piece of it because you know this doesn't directly answer the

2:58

question can Donald ... Trump

3:01

be prosecuted criminally or does he have

3:03

some kind of magical unicorn absolute immunity

3:05

from ... being criminally prosecuted this is

3:07

really an important what I would what

3:10

I'll call atmospheric ... precedent why do

3:12

I call it atmospheric? It's

3:15

not legal precedent it's not like

3:17

the criminal courts will now say oh

3:19

the civil case ... was resolved in

3:21

the following way therefore we will apply

3:23

it as precedents operating. If

3:38

you can be sued civilly. Where

3:41

president Democrat would bedragon screwed? If

3:44

you can't even clear that bar? Well

3:46

if you committed crimes without president there's

3:49

no way you've got any lingering immunity

3:51

left. in

4:00

any view of the state of the

4:03

law. So it really is kind of

4:05

important and it's interesting because the appellate

4:07

court said, look, what

4:10

you were doing Donald Trump on

4:12

and around January 6th, apart from

4:14

the fact that you've been criminally

4:16

indicted, you were committing crimes, is

4:18

you were trying to regain power.

4:21

You were trying to override the

4:23

express will of the American voters

4:25

and there's one thing that that

4:28

is not. It's not a

4:30

presidential act, it's the act of a

4:33

candidate and that is really one

4:35

of the pegs on which the

4:37

three-judge panel hung their hat, their

4:39

legal decision. They said this can't

4:41

possibly be a presidential act because

4:43

it was the act of a

4:45

candidate if it was any kind

4:47

of a lawful act. But we're

4:50

going to learn more about, I

4:52

think, the view of

4:54

the law moving forward because not only

4:56

was it not a presidential act, it

4:59

was an illegal act and that's why

5:01

at the end of the day he's

5:03

not going to enjoy any immunity civilly

5:05

or criminally. And of course for more

5:07

breaking legal news Glenn and I host a show

5:09

together on YouTube called the legal breakdown so if

5:11

you're not subscribed on YouTube definitely make sure to

5:13

subscribe. But the takeaway here is actually

5:15

pretty simple. Trump may claim that he's the

5:17

victim of some unfair political persecution but remember

5:19

it was the Giuliani's and the John Eastman's

5:22

and the Jeffrey Clark's and the Jenna Ellis's

5:24

who goaded him on who helped him. Those

5:26

are his lawyers and his aides. The left

5:28

was universally begging and pleading with him not

5:30

to interfere in the election, not to incite

5:32

an insurrection, not to prevent the peaceful transfer

5:34

of power. The left were the only people

5:36

giving him the right advice. Advice that had

5:38

he followed it would have kept him out

5:41

of the courtroom. So when he blames Democrats

5:43

for the avalanche of litigation that he's contending

5:45

with now and that he's about to contend

5:47

with in the aftermath of this decision, just

5:49

remember that it was his decision and his

5:51

aides and attorneys advice that landed him where

5:53

he is today, not the Democrats.

5:55

Dude trying to lead the party of personal responsibility

5:58

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Now we've got the U.S. Senator from Wisconsin, Tammy Baldwin.

7:09

Thanks for coming back on. I'm so

7:11

delighted to join you. So because

7:13

we live in this doom loop, we are

7:15

now back to dealing with an impending effort

7:17

by Donald Trump to overturn the ACA, the

7:20

Affordable Care Act, if he's reelected as president.

7:22

So first off, can I have your response

7:24

to this claim by Donald Trump? Well,

7:27

we all know there's no better way to

7:30

try to win votes than to rip

7:32

away people's health care. I mean, it's

7:34

unbelievable that he is bringing this up.

7:37

And, you know, it's such

7:39

a serious issue because I remember when

7:42

we first passed the Affordable Care Act

7:44

as it's getting implemented, et cetera, many,

7:48

many people for the first time

7:50

had health insurance or the

7:52

peace of mind that they wouldn't be kicked off

7:54

their health insurance if they were to get sick.

7:57

And it was terrifying for. many

8:00

families to see the

8:02

constant threats that were lodged to

8:06

repeal the Affordable Care Act. Remember, the

8:08

House, I think, had 50 separate

8:10

votes to do that. And

8:12

it was ultimately John McCain, with

8:15

his thumbs down in the Senate,

8:17

that saved the Affordable Care Act.

8:21

And we just can't

8:23

go back to this craziness. This

8:26

was a step forward, and we need to

8:28

continue to make progress, not

8:30

strip back the hard-flawed

8:32

victories. Well, you know,

8:34

to that exact point, this is a recurring

8:37

theme on the right. And I'm

8:39

not asking you to kind of get into

8:41

the heads of these Republican lawmakers and senators

8:43

and candidates. But while they're

8:45

pushing to strip away reproductive

8:47

health care, while pushing to strip away climate

8:50

protections, while they're pushing to strip away now

8:53

health care and health coverage, why do you presume

8:55

that they're pushing forward with these

8:57

unpopular edicts, I guess you could say, even

8:59

as they're losing races as the rest result

9:02

of them? I mean, you yourself alluded to

9:04

the fact that back in 2018, this

9:06

was the reason that Republicans lost that

9:08

election in such sweeping fashion. Yeah,

9:11

I mean, I think it's because

9:13

too many of them are in

9:15

the pockets of powerful, wealthy interests.

9:18

I mean, who's for taking away

9:20

the Affordable Care Act? The

9:23

big health systems and insurance

9:25

companies, and the big

9:27

pharmaceutical companies. The folks that

9:30

are behind most of

9:32

the measures are their, you

9:35

know, are their benefactors and

9:37

have very powerful presence

9:40

in sadly, in Washington DC and on

9:42

Capitol Hill. And they're playing to

9:44

them. And we

9:47

can't have it. We have

9:49

fought so long with

9:51

such high stakes to stand up to

9:54

big health insurance, to make sure that

9:56

they have to cover people who've been

9:58

sick before, who have a preexisting condition.

10:00

like diabetes or they're a survivor of

10:03

breast cancer or they're HIV positive.

10:05

We cannot go back to the days

10:08

when insurance companies had the say

10:10

and could simply say no. And

10:14

for the big pharmaceutical companies,

10:16

they protected them for way

10:18

too long. And just last

10:20

year, we had this major

10:22

breakthrough in the Inflation Reduction

10:24

Act, where we finally stood

10:26

up to big pharma and

10:28

said Medicare must be

10:31

able to negotiate lower prices.

10:33

And already we're seeing

10:35

some of the results. Vaccines are

10:39

without copays for

10:41

seniors. Insulin is now no

10:43

more than $35 a month out of pocket

10:46

for seniors on Medicare. And we're

10:48

fighting hard to make sure that

10:50

that will soon be true for

10:52

everybody with diabetes who needs insulin.

10:55

And the first 10 drugs

10:59

have been named and Medicare is in

11:01

the process of negotiating down these prices.

11:04

There's no way that the Republicans

11:07

should defend the fact that

11:09

we are currently paying more

11:11

in America for lifesaving medications

11:13

than any other country on

11:15

earth. That makes no sense.

11:18

And we've made these breakthroughs and we've got to

11:20

run on them too. Well, you

11:22

know, it is only a matter of time

11:24

before Donald Trump gets out of the primary

11:26

where he is right now and into the

11:28

general and pretends that in fact, he loves

11:30

the Affordable Care Act. So what is your

11:32

message to voters in advance of Donald Trump's

11:34

inevitable gaslighting on this issue? Listen

11:37

to what he says now,

11:39

right? Before he's trying to

11:42

switch from primary mode to general

11:44

election mode. I think you have

11:46

every reason to trust

11:50

that he does want to dismantle the

11:52

Affordable Care Act and that he will

11:55

take steps to do that as he

11:57

did when he was last. president

12:00

of the United States. In

12:02

fact, it was so close. They

12:04

had already repealed it in the

12:06

House, and it was one

12:09

vote away from being overturned

12:12

in the Senate. He will do

12:14

it again. And so

12:16

it's why these elections have

12:18

such high stakes. It's

12:20

why we've got to stay

12:23

animated and activated to make

12:25

sure that people know that

12:27

this election, this next election,

12:29

is about not only

12:31

your access to health care and

12:33

the affordability of that health care,

12:36

but also your basic rights and

12:38

freedoms to control your body and

12:40

to access the health care that

12:43

you need. You wrote the wildly

12:45

popular provision in the ACA that allows young

12:47

people to stay on their parents insurance until

12:49

they're 26. In plain terms, what

12:51

would it mean for young people, especially

12:54

if the ACA was to get overturned?

12:57

So we all know that if you

12:59

go right from, say, high school into

13:01

the workforce, that first job

13:04

is not likely to have full

13:06

health insurance benefits. You

13:08

know that if you're right out

13:11

of high school and maybe juggling

13:13

college with a part-time job, that

13:15

that's not going to offer you

13:17

a path to health insurance. My

13:19

provision that allowed young people to

13:22

stay on their parents health insurance

13:24

until they turned 26. Overnight, when

13:26

that measure was implemented, millions of

13:28

people who had no health insurance

13:30

before got it. And

13:33

that is something that we've got to

13:35

fight hard to maintain because

13:38

repealing the Affordable Care Act would go

13:40

back to the old days where pretty

13:42

much anybody in that

13:44

age group is really unlikely

13:46

to have affordable and, I

13:48

should mention, comprehensive health care.

13:52

I alluded to this before, but so far

13:54

the policy proposals among Republicans, like I said,

13:56

are stripping women of the reproductive rights, undoing

13:59

climate action. protecting the ultra

14:01

wealthy from tax audits and now

14:03

stripping healthcare from Americans. Can I

14:06

have your response in general to

14:08

this anti-majoritarian platform from the Republican

14:10

Party? Yeah, you know, on one

14:13

hand Donald Trump

14:15

used to try to appeal

14:17

as a populist and

14:20

yet he touts just

14:23

any number of proposals that

14:26

so harm the

14:28

working people of the United States. We've

14:31

got to make sure we are clear

14:33

as the opposition party to the Trump

14:37

Republicans that this

14:39

is harmful policy that he

14:41

is peddling and

14:43

that under his previous administration

14:45

that we lost such ground

14:48

in terms of rights and

14:51

freedoms. His efforts

14:53

to place three new

14:56

Supreme Court justices

14:59

have resulted in many steps

15:01

backwards since he left office

15:04

and it will be a while before we're

15:06

going to be able to properly address that

15:09

sadly. So he left a legacy

15:13

of damage and we

15:15

cannot let him become president again. So

15:17

you're running for reelection to the

15:20

Senate in what is widely known as

15:22

the tipping point states, that's Wisconsin. Now

15:24

Trump won that state by 0.7% in

15:26

2016. Biden won

15:28

it by almost the same margin in 2020, I believe it was 0.6%. What are you doing now

15:33

to ensure that this Senate seat stays in

15:35

Democratic hands? Well first I

15:37

want to underscore your point that

15:40

Wisconsin could easily decide

15:42

or be the deciding

15:44

state in terms of who controls

15:46

the White House and

15:48

which party controls the United States

15:51

Senate. We are the ultimate battleground

15:53

state. And I take that very

15:55

seriously as I began

15:57

to mount a campaign for reelection

15:59

to the United States Senate. And

16:02

part of the emphasis that

16:05

you see the National Republicans

16:08

place on Wisconsin includes bringing

16:10

their national convention to Milwaukee,

16:12

Wisconsin next year. So we

16:15

are squarely in their sights

16:17

in terms of where

16:19

they think they can make the

16:21

biggest difference. So I start my

16:23

reelection effort knowing that they're

16:25

very much focused on Wisconsin. But I'd suggest

16:27

to you that there's another reason that they

16:30

really focus on me. And

16:32

that is because as we've just been

16:34

discussing, I'm not afraid to stand up

16:36

to those powerful, moneyed

16:39

interests and fight for the

16:41

working people of my state. And you

16:44

know what, in addition to that, it's

16:46

not enough to just be unafraid to

16:48

stand up. Sometimes we got to

16:50

win and we have. And we

16:52

really have to tell that as we move

16:55

forward. You told the older stories of passing

16:57

the Affordable Care Act. I was in the

16:59

House of Representatives on a panel helping to

17:01

write that. And it was my amendment that

17:03

allows young people to stay on their parents'

17:06

health insurance till they turn 26. But

17:09

our more recent victories have included

17:12

standing up to the big pharmaceutical

17:14

companies and getting Medicare to negotiate

17:16

lower prices. But I'm

17:18

not afraid to stand up to

17:20

the big multinational corporations that see

17:23

profit and quarterly profits as

17:25

their only goal. Corporate

17:28

greed has impacted Wisconsin workers

17:31

over decades of portrayed policies

17:33

or favoring conditions

17:36

where they bring manufacturing from

17:38

a big state, manufacturing

17:40

state like Wisconsin, overseas,

17:43

offshore, where the cost of

17:45

production is lower because there's

17:47

no laws to protect workers,

17:49

to encourage

17:51

unions, to protect worker safety,

17:54

to protect the environment. Yes,

17:56

it's cheaper to produce

17:58

in countries that. have

18:01

those circumstances. And

18:03

by America policies, which I

18:05

consider myself to be the

18:07

Senate champion of by America

18:09

policies, the simple proposition that

18:11

when we are using taxpayer

18:13

dollars that that should benefit

18:16

US workers and small businesses. I

18:18

mean, that makes total sense when

18:20

we're talking about taxpayer dollars. And

18:23

we've won. I've been

18:25

pursuing these in the infrastructure bill. We

18:28

got it in the infrastructure bill. In

18:30

the chips and science act that we passed

18:32

last year, I got it in the chips

18:34

and science bill. We

18:36

put it in the inflation reduction act

18:39

so that this new clean energy, renewable

18:42

energy economy that US workers

18:44

can be in the lead,

18:46

not following. And so these

18:49

are exciting opportunities. When

18:51

you stand up to those powerful interests,

18:54

you can win. And then

18:56

the last one I wanted to mention was

18:58

the extremists that we are seeing have

19:01

greater and greater influence and

19:04

power. They were

19:06

successful after a multi-decade fight to

19:08

overturn Roe versus Wade with the

19:10

Dobbs decision last year. They

19:14

are introducing and leading

19:17

to the introduction of all sorts

19:19

of anti-LGBTQ, anti-woke, if you

19:21

will, pieces

19:24

of legislation. They are having

19:26

a real impact at all levels

19:28

of government. And it's why after

19:30

Dobbs, when they put

19:34

marriage equality in the

19:36

crosshairs as their next step,

19:39

I led the effort to pass the Respect

19:41

for Marriage Act in the Senate, standing

19:43

up to those extremists, but still

19:46

being able to bring in 12

19:49

of my Republican colleagues to join

19:51

all Democrats to pass that measure.

19:53

We're almost on the year

19:55

anniversary of President Biden signing the

19:58

Respect for Marriage Act. Marriage

20:00

Act into law which of course repealed

20:02

the old Defense of Marriage Act. And

20:07

so I just want people to

20:09

feel some hope and encouragement that

20:11

we can stand up to these

20:13

wealthy powerful interests and we can

20:15

win and it's hard work but

20:18

we've got to be there to

20:20

do it. Well you mentioned

20:22

wealthy powerful interests which brings

20:24

me to your potential opponent

20:27

in this 2024 election. It may be a guy

20:29

named Eric Hovde who is a multi-millionaire

20:31

banker who lives in Laguna Beach, California.

20:33

Now he was asked where he spends

20:35

most of his time whether he spends

20:37

that time in California or Wisconsin. I'm

20:39

going to read you his quote. Quote,

20:42

this is laughable. I'm born in Wisconsin,

20:44

raised in Wisconsin and graduated from the

20:46

University of Wisconsin. My home is Wisconsin.

20:48

I have a business in Wisconsin so

20:51

that's my response which of course is

20:53

a lot of words to avoid answering

20:55

the actual question. Can I get your

20:57

response to the prospect of a California

20:59

banker running to represent Wisconsin in the

21:01

US Senate? We've

21:03

made a little light of that

21:05

recently. You're right. He's the

21:08

president and CEO of

21:10

a bank, a big regional

21:12

bank. He lives in Laguna

21:15

Beach and we

21:17

kind of suggested that there might

21:20

be an open US Senate seat

21:22

in California. Maybe

21:25

that's what he's looking to do but no,

21:27

no, no. He protests. He says I'm going

21:30

to run in Wisconsin. I

21:32

think Wisconsinites will be very

21:34

interested to know about where he

21:37

spends his time. The

21:39

fact that he's missed several important

21:41

votes in the state and

21:44

I think that Wisconsinites

21:47

really want somebody who is a

21:49

resident, a frequent resident of the

21:51

state of Wisconsin to

21:53

be their representative working hard

21:55

for them in the United States Senate. also

22:00

want somebody who gets them, who's

22:03

worked hard and who

22:06

has known what it means to make

22:08

an honest wage, who knows what

22:10

it's like to have to fight for recognition

22:13

of their union, who

22:15

knows what it's like when it's

22:19

hard to make the

22:21

budget hard

22:23

to keep your budget because the cost of

22:27

health care and medicines is

22:29

so high. I

22:31

think people of Wisconsin want somebody

22:33

who really gets them. And

22:35

that's not Eric Hovde. It's

22:38

hard to see why Republicans wouldn't want to go the way of

22:40

Dr. Oz in New Jersey, but here we are. Right.

22:42

Well, that is their playbook,

22:44

right? It's a page from

22:46

the Republican playbook these days.

22:49

They are actively recruiting multimillionaires

22:51

to run in the swing states.

22:53

They're going to run in

22:56

the battleground states so that they can write

22:58

a hefty check. We have another multimillionaire

23:00

in Wisconsin who's looking at

23:03

getting into the race. It's like they're dueling. Like, I'll

23:05

put in $15 million of my own wealth. Well,

23:08

I'll put in $20 million of my own wealth. And

23:12

we've literally been saying those things to

23:14

the media. And it's quite a new chapter

23:17

in how politics work on

23:20

the Republican side of the ledger. Yeah. Having

23:22

these multimillionaires run their own races, it does

23:24

allow them to self-finance so that they can

23:26

divert that money to other places where they

23:28

might be able to use it otherwise. And

23:30

so if they just have multimillionaires running in

23:32

all of their races who can self-finance, then

23:34

they can focus on down-ballot races. They can

23:36

focus on congressional races and on and on.

23:38

So this is, again, just a way to

23:40

kind of allow them to manipulate this system.

23:43

And super PACs, right? Exactly. Exactly. Just anywhere

23:45

where they can find the money, they're taking

23:47

advantage. Can you talk about Hovde's position

23:49

on both abortion rights and the ACA

23:51

in terms of what his election could

23:53

mean? First of all,

23:55

he has a record because he did run for

23:57

US Senate in 2012. He came.

24:00

in second in the Republican primary

24:02

in Wisconsin. And

24:05

then went back to being a California bank owner.

24:07

But that said, he

24:09

took positions on these issues.

24:11

He supports a nationwide abortion

24:13

ban and he

24:17

supported repeal of the Affordable Care

24:19

Act. In fact, that was something

24:21

he vigorously ran on in

24:24

his previous campaign in 2012. He

24:28

also is somebody like

24:31

many of the Republicans who

24:33

look to decimate

24:35

the two bedrock programs

24:39

that have been earned benefits for

24:41

seniors in the US. He

24:43

would look at radical changes

24:45

to both social security and

24:48

Medicare. And those

24:50

are some of the best ideas that

24:52

we've ever had. They were

24:54

democratic ideas, but they have

24:56

stood the test of time

24:58

in making sure that when

25:01

we work hard and play by the rules

25:03

that we can retire with dignity and security.

25:06

Well, now that Joe Manchin is no longer running

25:08

for Senate in West Virginia, how does that impact

25:10

the stakes of your election in Wisconsin? So

25:13

right now in the United States Senate,

25:16

there are 51 Democrats or people who

25:18

caucus with the Democrats and

25:21

49 Republicans. Joe

25:23

Manchin represents the state that went

25:26

overwhelmingly for Trump in 2020. And

25:30

it will be difficult for

25:32

us, a Democrat, other than

25:34

Joe Manchin, to successfully wage

25:37

a race in West Virginia. So

25:40

then we'd be down to 50-50 in the

25:42

Senate. Every

25:46

battleground state then becomes a

25:48

target and Wisconsin is one of them.

25:51

So they're gonna go all in,

25:53

including having their convention in Milwaukee,

25:56

Wisconsin next year. They're gonna go all

25:58

in in trying to. defeat me.

26:01

And it is a critical

26:04

race to win in order to

26:06

keep a progressive

26:08

Senate and keep our

26:11

country moving in the right direction,

26:13

not repealing our rights and

26:15

freedoms. To that point, how can we help your

26:17

campaign? Well, I

26:20

certainly would encourage everyone

26:22

to go to tammybaldwin.com.

26:26

There's many ways you can There

26:28

are ways you can help that include donating

26:30

to my campaign, and you can do that

26:32

online. If you're

26:35

in Wisconsin, there's lots of volunteer activities.

26:37

And no matter where you are on

26:39

the country, you can follow me on

26:41

social media and help

26:43

us expand reach

26:46

to the message

26:48

of the important work that I've done, the

26:50

victories I just told you about when we

26:52

stood up to powerful interests and we won

26:54

and the many battles we still have to

26:56

fight. And just to

26:58

underscore the importance of donating now early, I

27:01

know that we're just about a year out

27:03

from the election, but being

27:05

able to donate now and get on the airwaves

27:07

now would allow the Senator to kind of define

27:09

herself before Republicans have the chance to redefine her

27:12

in their own image, which will, of course, be

27:14

full of obfuscation and misinformation. So with that said,

27:16

again, I'll put that link in the post description

27:18

of this video and the show notes on the

27:20

podcast. So Senator Baldwin, thank you so much for

27:22

taking the time and best of luck on the

27:24

campaign trail. Thank you so much. Great to be

27:27

with you. Thanks again,

27:29

Senator Baldwin. That's it for this episode. Talk to

27:31

you next week. You've

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