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Well, hello, and welcome

1:24

to this special episode of No

1:26

One Is Coming To Save Us from Lemonado Media.

1:29

This podcast was co-created with

1:31

our friends at Neighborhood Villages, a

1:33

systems change, non-profit, working

1:36

to realize a future in which all families have

1:38

access to affordable, high-quality,

1:41

early education, and care. Today's

1:44

panel is made possible with support from

1:46

Caring Across Generations. We

1:48

want to thank them for their partnership in planning

1:51

this conversation and this entire

1:52

event, really. We are

1:54

live from Care Fest in Los Angeles.

1:56

What an amazing experience it is

1:59

to be with all of you.

1:59

you today. So thank you all for joining

2:02

us. This podcast usually

2:04

focuses, as you know,

2:06

on early child care and education. So that's

2:09

why the topic of today, Care in Common,

2:11

resonates so much with me, with

2:14

all of us really at Lemonada Media and Neighborhood

2:16

Villages. Neighborhood Villages

2:18

brought this topic to Lemonada in the

2:21

early days. It was about, I don't

2:23

know, at this point

2:23

four years ago. I remember

2:25

interviewing for the job of host and being

2:27

very nervous, but learning

2:29

about what they do resonated

2:31

with me because they're so passionate

2:34

and really hell-bent on fixing

2:37

early education and care in this country.

2:40

What I often say, what I'm sure many of us

2:42

often say, is that it

2:45

doesn't have to be like this, the state of early

2:47

education and child care in this country. And

2:50

that can really be something that

2:52

can be said about care. It's

2:55

an issue that resonates with all of us. The

2:58

child care workers who help our

3:00

little babies look just like the caregivers

3:02

helping our loved ones as they get older.

3:04

You know that feeling

3:07

I remember of walking into my daughter's

3:09

preschool and seeing

3:12

her teacher and feeling like,

3:15

oh, thank goodness you're here. You know, it'd been a long morning. And

3:18

I had the same feeling when my father

3:20

passed away in 2016 that his caregiver brought

3:25

me such peace and calm, much needed

3:27

in that time. The

3:30

theme of care, it really crosses the political

3:32

divide. So many people

3:35

will encounter it. Everyone will encounter it.

3:38

We all will have our own relationship

3:40

with care. We do from the moment we're born till the moment

3:43

we leave this earth. It's part

3:45

of being human, red or blue, rural

3:47

or urban, various wealth brackets.

3:50

It does not matter. You don't have to be a caregiver

3:52

to believe that caregiving

3:55

is important. To empathize with care

3:57

situations or imagine what

3:59

you're own future care needs will

4:01

be. So what do we

4:04

do about it? How do we leverage

4:06

the understanding of this

4:09

critical topic to

4:11

make positive

4:12

change?

4:14

That's what we're going to talk about today with my panel of

4:16

excellent guests. First off joining me

4:19

is Lisa Hamilton-Daily. She

4:21

is the executive vice president of

4:23

programming for Hallmark Media. Welcome.

4:31

Also joining me is Monica Ramirez.

4:34

Monica is an attorney, author, and

4:36

founder of Justice for Migrant Women

4:39

along with the Latinx House and Potoristas.

4:42

Welcome.

4:48

And we're also excited to have Jen

4:50

Stowe. Jen is the executive director

4:52

of the National Domestic Workers Alliance.

4:55

Welcome Jen.

5:00

So Jen, I'm going to start with you and I'm going

5:02

to ask a tough question, but

5:04

one I know that you're prepared to answer and that's taking

5:07

a look at where we are. We're a year away. It's

5:09

November. We're a year away from the next presidential

5:11

election. There are so many issues

5:14

out there dividing us, but care

5:16

is not quite so divisive.

5:20

What is the profile of how we think about

5:22

care in this country? Why

5:25

does it unite people and

5:28

what is the challenge to get

5:30

to the next election and make care

5:32

a central issue? Gloria,

5:35

I think that first

5:38

off it's so incredible to be

5:40

with you all today. Care

5:43

in this country is a majoritarian

5:45

issue. It's an issue that everyone

5:48

can see themselves in, whether they

5:50

are caring for a loved one or

5:52

whether they are caring for someone that

5:55

they love now or whether they can

5:57

see themselves caring for someone in the future. We

5:59

like to say that. that people in this country are

6:01

either caregivers or future caregivers. I

6:04

think that where we are now

6:05

as a country is that we

6:07

look at care as very individualistic,

6:10

as an individual responsibility, something

6:13

that you innately just do and you

6:15

take on. And I think

6:18

that what we have to do, the work that we

6:20

have to do over the next year, being a year out from

6:22

the election, is really feeding

6:24

a new public narrative and

6:26

making a new common sense that says

6:28

that two things, one, everyone

6:31

in this country deserves care and

6:33

the government has a role to play in

6:36

supporting the infrastructure

6:38

for it. And two, that care

6:40

workers, the workers who get up every day

6:43

and take care of our loved ones, they

6:45

really deserve good jobs, jobs that

6:48

have family sustaining wages, jobs

6:50

that provide them the level of

6:52

dignity and respect that they deserve and

6:55

access to a union too. So I think

6:57

it's really about shifting the narrative

7:00

from care being individualistic

7:02

to something that should have community

7:04

support. And that's the work that we'll be doing

7:06

over the next year. One thing that's

7:08

interesting to me is that we, yeah, let's applaud.

7:15

Monica, I understand that another reason this

7:17

issue, the issue of care crosses

7:19

such divides is because

7:22

it's valuable and can help our economy

7:25

and our

7:25

communities. Can

7:26

you talk us through that? Yeah,

7:29

thank you so much. And hi, everybody, it's

7:31

great to be here. Congrats to everyone who worked

7:33

so hard to put this beautiful convening together. The

7:37

reality is, and I think that

7:39

the folks that Karyan across and

7:42

the folks at NDWA have said this best over

7:44

and over again, which is that

7:46

the work that caregivers,

7:49

the work that domestic workers, that

7:51

work is central to making all other work possible.

7:54

That is what is said, and that is what is true.

7:56

And when people do not have

7:59

the care that they need, to be able to take care

8:01

of their loved ones, whether that be an ailing

8:03

parent or a young child,

8:05

and then that prevents them from being able to go

8:07

to work. Then we see people who are being forced

8:10

out of the workplace. We saw that in

8:12

huge numbers during the pandemic. We

8:14

saw millions of women who were being pushed

8:16

out of the workforce because they didn't have the

8:18

kind of care, the kind of benefits

8:20

that allowed them to stay in work and have what they needed

8:23

to be able to have their children cared for. And that

8:25

has a huge economic impact. When people have to step

8:27

out or step aside from the

8:30

workforce, that means that almost immediately

8:33

their income is cut in half. That means they

8:35

have less to contribute in

8:37

terms of consumerism. That means

8:39

that there's an increased stress

8:41

and burden on the family to figure out how to meet

8:44

basic needs, and we've seen that. So people

8:47

have to start understanding in this country that

8:49

care is and must be

8:51

an economic imperative. And

8:54

that if we do not provide everyone

8:56

in this country with what

8:58

is required to be able to care for

9:00

our loved ones and for ourselves, should we get sick,

9:02

what have you, then there is a real danger.

9:05

People don't talk about the

9:07

danger to our society should we not

9:09

have the caretakers available

9:12

to be able to provide the necessary care. Like

9:14

when I think about migrant women,

9:17

and immigrant women, immigrant

9:19

women comprise about 20% of

9:22

the care workforce. And there

9:24

was a study that was released and it was taking a look

9:27

at the anti-immigrant policies that

9:29

have been passed in different states. And

9:32

in particular, it took a look at Arizona. And

9:34

it said because of the chilling factor

9:37

that resulted because of that policy,

9:40

and they saw people withdrawing from jobs

9:42

out of fear, that that nearly

9:44

crippled the economy. And so we have to

9:46

start talking about those very specific examples

9:49

of the economic harm that

9:51

is caused when people don't have the support

9:53

that they need to be able to do their jobs because

9:55

they're afraid that something bad is going to happen

9:57

to them or their families. But the converse of

9:59

that is that when. people don't have people

10:02

to provide

10:02

the care that is needed, that

10:04

also means that other families and other people

10:06

are making choices about whether or not they can

10:09

stay in the workforce. And so it

10:11

isn't a conversation that should be fragmented. It's a

10:13

conversation that must be had together. And

10:15

we really need to be thinking about, should we

10:17

not have the support for

10:20

caregivers to be able to do their work under

10:22

just conditions? What is the potential

10:24

consequence to our country in the long

10:27

haul? And I think that we should

10:29

all be very concerned that if

10:31

we don't take action right now, that

10:33

there could be long-term consequences that

10:35

are negative for all of us. Right. What

10:38

resonates with me in terms of what you

10:40

just said? Yeah, more applause.

10:45

I don't think I've heard it articulated

10:47

so crisply the

10:50

idea of consequences and specifically the

10:52

word danger. We are at an

10:54

inflection point that will be harmful

10:57

for our country as a whole if we don't

10:59

address this issue. Something that I ran

11:01

up against

11:02

in making

11:03

No One Is Coming to Save Us is

11:05

that I look around the world and I look

11:07

specifically, there is a

11:09

province in Canada. And in 1996, they

11:12

passed something akin to universal

11:14

child care and education at

11:16

the cost of, I think at that time, $5 a month.

11:20

It's gone up to when we checked $8 a

11:22

month. And

11:25

they have the data. So they know

11:27

more women in the workforce, increased tax

11:30

dollars. The trickle

11:32

down positive effect is

11:35

there. It's in the

11:38

data that they have not only in that

11:40

province, but around the world. So where

11:44

are we challenged in our

11:46

messaging if hard data like that

11:48

exists? And how do

11:50

we get people activated

11:51

on the issue?

11:54

I mean, I think that one of

11:56

the things that Caring Across does so well is

11:58

they make they make the issue

12:01

personal, right? I think the care notes that

12:03

we've been invited to write is a perfect example.

12:06

Because what we know is that when people

12:08

feel like there is

12:09

a personal consequence

12:12

to them,

12:13

that they're motivated to act. We

12:15

saw that during the pandemic, right? Everyone

12:17

was afraid. And people took

12:20

action, whether that be donating

12:22

to a cause or figuring

12:25

out,

12:25

you know, communal, mutual

12:28

aid solutions,

12:28

et cetera. So I think that

12:31

the data is one thing. Some

12:33

of us are motivated by data. I like data. But

12:36

I think what

12:37

moves people is our hearts.

12:40

And I think the more personal that we can make

12:42

this by sharing the stories of, you

12:44

know, how we've been

12:45

cared for or who we care for

12:47

or why not having the proper care

12:49

will have a negative impact on us

12:51

and our lives, I think that, you know,

12:54

helps to do what we're talking about here, unite

12:56

people. Because people can understand

12:59

from a very personal level how they're impacted

13:02

and, you know, and their humanity is impacted

13:05

by care, how they were cared for or how

13:08

they hope to be cared for. And so I think

13:10

it's the storytelling is key. We have

13:12

to keep telling the stories. And

13:14

I think that is going to help move

13:16

people to action.

13:18

Well,

13:19

thankfully, we have someone here who

13:21

is leading the charge on storytelling.

13:24

And Lisa and I were chatting backstage

13:27

so many topics that

13:29

are broadening the brand

13:32

of Hallmark. Right. I think of Hallmark

13:34

and it makes me feel warm and cozy. Makes

13:37

me feel good. But there are some stories

13:40

that Hallmark is telling now that

13:43

expand how we think about care. Can

13:45

you share some of those with? I can. I can. First

13:47

of all, I'd like to say I'm

13:48

really honored to share the stage with Gloria

13:50

and Jen and Monica, who are doing such important work in

13:52

the field. It's really an honor to be here and to hear

13:54

you guys and the work you're doing. So thank you.

13:58

Hallmark has a, you know,

14:00

decade plus of making Christmas

14:02

movies that make everyone feel great at Christmas.

14:05

But the parent company of Hallmark was

14:07

feeling like that wasn't quite encompassing

14:10

all the parts of the brand that they really wanted

14:12

to bring forward. Hallmark is a very purpose

14:14

driven company and Hallmark

14:16

Media in particular

14:17

are sort of internal north star. Our

14:20

tagline is putting care into the world

14:22

through stories of joy, positivity and

14:24

love. That's something that's really important to

14:27

us and we felt like just telling the stories

14:29

of two people falling in romantic love was

14:31

not enough, did not encompass

14:34

enough of the human experience. So

14:36

what we're really starting to do is to try to really

14:38

think about all the different kinds of love there

14:41

are in the world and care is such an integral

14:43

part of all of that. It's multi-generational

14:46

stories. It's three gen, grandmother and mother, daughter.

14:49

It's you know father and daughter. It's brother and sister.

14:52

It's best friends. It's groups of friends. It's

14:55

found family and how those groups

14:57

of people care for and love each other. And

14:59

that's a really important part of the stories

15:01

we want to tell. We're also trying to diversify

15:04

our movies through and our

15:07

series through telling stories

15:09

with people of different abilities. We

15:11

are using actors who are wheelchair users,

15:13

who are deaf, who are you know and we're really trying

15:16

to push into that how those people be part

15:18

of our stories, part of the world show how the

15:20

care of those people and how they integrate into

15:22

that world is such a crucial part

15:25

of our society. And I think we're really trying

15:27

to reflect that more and more as we go. Have

15:29

you heard back from the people who see those stories? We

15:31

have and I think that you know our desire

15:34

is that more people can see themselves

15:36

in what we're doing. It's an evolution. We're

15:38

working on it and I think that we're starting to hear

15:41

you know we had an actress who was

15:43

not a size zero in a movie last weekend.

15:45

I mean it's a little thing but people are

15:47

like I

15:48

saw myself. Like I got and

15:50

people are getting their love stories. They're getting their

15:52

family stories. We're really trying to like make

15:54

it so that everyone feels valued

15:57

and I think you know what I'm doing is a little more abstract.

15:59

and what you guys are doing, but I think when you talk

16:02

about, we need to tell stories, I think that

16:04

being in the culture and really putting

16:06

forward these caring relationships

16:08

as an ideal and as a value

16:11

has real resonance. Absolutely,

16:13

I mean, I feel like if

16:15

there's anything I learned in going around

16:17

the country and talking to caregivers, it's the intersectionality

16:20

of everything that we do, right? And the idea

16:22

of trust and the idea that two

16:26

disparate sides can come together for

16:29

a common goal. We've seen that

16:31

happen in Oregon, in Multnomah

16:33

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16:36

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16:37

pre-K.

16:40

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16:42

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16:45

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16:47

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16:49

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20:21

Jim, support

20:23

is high, right? We're looking at like 60, 70% on these

20:25

issues, which not a lot of other policy

20:30

proposals enjoy in this country, right? We're

20:32

all in agreement that yes, this sounds

20:34

like a good idea. Is it really

20:37

a shared value though on a deeper level?

20:39

I mean, I feel like that's the work that you do when

20:41

you conduct your focus groups and you're getting

20:43

really underneath the hood. What

20:46

happens when you have that conversation after,

20:48

yeah, that sounds like a good idea. I

20:50

think it is

20:51

a shared value. I really think,

20:53

Gloria, it's about connecting the dots.

20:55

I'm struck over the past two days how many

20:57

people I've talked

20:59

to, how many people we've heard from who say

21:02

that they did not identify as

21:04

a caregiver. They didn't think of themselves as

21:06

a caregiver, even though they're caring

21:08

for their aunt or they're

21:10

caring for their loved one with disabilities

21:13

or they are caring

21:15

for their grandmother on and off. So I think it's about

21:17

connecting the dots and having people really

21:20

take on the identity of caregiving. I

21:22

think it is a shared value, but we have to do

21:24

that work, letting folks know that

21:27

yes, you are a caregiver and it's

21:29

a shared struggle and you're not alone.

21:32

You should have support to do this work.

21:35

I think, Lisa, that the work that you do

21:37

is not abstract at all. I think

21:39

it's so integral to the work that

21:41

we're doing to really try to connect

21:43

the dots for people. You really need narrative.

21:46

You really need to shift the culture. And

21:49

so I think that we all

21:51

have a shared value set. It's about

21:53

taking on the identity

21:54

of caregiver and the

21:57

understanding that we really deserve support.

21:59

And what does it look like to really provide

22:01

the support that we need from the

22:04

time that we're born to the time that we transition? Like,

22:06

what would that look like? And to have the choice

22:08

of what care we get to? It

22:10

makes me

22:11

think of one set of people who

22:13

don't identify as caregivers quite often, and that's

22:15

parents. Yes. They don't

22:17

identify the moment that

22:19

child comes into their world. They

22:22

are caregivers. And

22:24

I feel like there's some shared DNA

22:27

between what Monica was talking about, about, listen,

22:29

we need to talk about the consequences if

22:31

care is not provided, combined

22:35

with parents shifting their own self-identity

22:38

as a caregiver, that there could be some

22:40

momentum and power for parents,

22:43

right? I mean, there are

22:45

times in my children's lives

22:47

early on when I felt a total

22:49

lack of power, right? I

22:51

was like, actually, as it turns out, I'm

22:53

not in charge of anything. But

22:56

to

22:56

shift that and

22:59

think about it as a caregiver, that to me

23:01

feels like there's some empowerment in there.

23:03

And I think that the combination of consequences

23:06

and empowerment, that's what we need to instill in

23:08

people to move to action.

23:11

Definitely. You

23:13

talked a little bit about how care is such a personal

23:16

experience, from childhood to illness to

23:18

disability and aging. I

23:20

know that we all believe Americans

23:23

have earned the freedom to choose how they

23:25

get and receive care. But

23:28

right now we don't have that. What

23:30

exists now are choices

23:33

in air quotes, but

23:35

really they're choices under duress. When

23:38

you have a wait list for early child care

23:40

that's six months long

23:42

and the commute is 45 minutes away from

23:45

your home and then you have to get to your job,

23:47

that's not a choice. It's really

23:50

what our country is offering is actually coercion.

23:52

That's right.

23:54

Oh good, I get some applause now.

23:56

It's

23:59

true.

23:59

Why are we putting people in that position?

24:04

So how do we shift that

24:07

reality? How do we

24:09

encourage people to name that reality?

24:12

And what do they do about

24:14

it?

24:16

I think it's about the power of people

24:19

really centering their own stories.

24:23

And both Monica and Lisa talked about

24:25

the power of unlocking the personal.

24:28

I think it's about continuing

24:30

to share stories and allowing

24:32

folks to see themselves in that. I

24:34

also think it's about the work

24:37

that we continue to do to press on the people

24:39

who have the power to change things, right? You

24:41

know, I think there was a stat

24:43

set on the stage yesterday that said that one

24:45

in three voters are caregivers.

24:48

That's a large share of the electorate.

24:51

And that's a lot of power. So I really

24:53

think it's about pressing on the people

24:55

who are empowered that that can do something

24:58

about it and really like using our

25:00

vote and civic engagement to actually

25:03

wield that power to make change.

25:07

Monica, one thing I want to listen to

25:09

you talk about is the Farm Bill,

25:11

because there's some incredibly innovative

25:15

first time ever things happening

25:17

in this recent Farm Bill. Can you share with us

25:20

about that? Yeah, so I

25:22

don't know if the rest of you are up on

25:24

the farm bills. I am. I spend a lot of time thinking about things

25:26

like the Farm Bill, but just wait. It's very

25:28

relevant. Yes. Very exciting

25:30

time when it comes to the Farm Bill. So the Farm Bill

25:33

is the most important,

25:35

arguably, piece of legislation for rural

25:38

America related to food

25:41

and agriculture and nutrition in our country.

25:43

And it is reauthorized every five

25:45

years. So it's now up for reauthorization and

25:48

for the first time ever in the history

25:50

of the Farm Bill's reauthorization,

25:52

the two biggest

25:54

entities that do the sort

25:57

of the advocacy on the Farm Bill.

25:59

the National Farm Bureau and

26:02

the National

26:03

Farmers Union

26:05

both prioritize putting care in the farm

26:07

bill. It is huge.

26:09

It is

26:12

huge.

26:13

And the reason that it is

26:15

huge is

26:16

because we know that in rural

26:18

America, there

26:20

are care deserts. We

26:23

know that today, 47% of

26:25

all farms across our country are owned or

26:28

co-owned by women. So

26:30

we're talking 388 million acres of land are

26:34

owned or co-owned by women in our

26:36

country. And we know that care

26:39

disproportionately rests on

26:41

women. And what we've heard from

26:44

the reports that have been written is that

26:46

women have talked about how the farmers who

26:48

owned this land are talking about how they're

26:50

working fewer hours. They're having to

26:53

decide who of the partnership will

26:55

actually be able to work the land. They're making

26:57

decisions about whether land needs to be sold. There

26:59

are all these drastic consequences. And

27:01

people might think like the farm bill has nothing

27:04

to do with me. Do you eat?

27:08

Because the farm bill has to do with all of us. And

27:12

so the fact, this is historic. And

27:15

so we need to see that this stays

27:17

in the bill because it will make a significant

27:20

difference in rural America and it'll

27:22

help all of us. So what's so

27:25

exciting to me about what you're talking about right now is

27:27

that you're looking at a population

27:30

and I'm imagining that whoever

27:32

is running the farm, my grandparents were both farmers,

27:36

whatever care they're giving, whether it's

27:38

their parent back at the house, they're

27:41

doing all of that simultaneously, right?

27:43

So they are caregivers, they're also in

27:45

charge of this farm. So if you eat

27:47

food, you're invested in what happens here. So

27:49

to support them is critical.

27:52

And Lisa, I have to come back to you. I mean, I'm

27:55

hearing Monica talk about drastic

27:57

consequences, care on a farm.

28:00

loved ones, elders, babies,

28:03

I think this says the makings of a Hallmark

28:05

movie. We need a

28:08

proposal. But

28:10

actually, truly, I'm in, you

28:13

know, my mother grew up on a farm, we drove through

28:15

it this summer to

28:17

see themselves

28:18

in a Hallmark movie will will

28:21

take what you're talking about and make

28:23

it an internally important issue for people.

28:26

Yeah,

28:27

I mean, look, I think personal stories are

28:29

so powerful, as both of you pointed out, and

28:31

I think that,

28:32

you know, figuring out how to harness

28:34

these kinds of issues and work them

28:36

into in a way that can be

28:39

translated into art into

28:41

movies is amazing. We do have a

28:43

series that is takes place on a family

28:46

farm. I was just watching some of the dailies

28:48

the other day of the next season, and like they're losing the

28:50

farm and there's an issue. I mean, there's issues

28:52

that you can really talk about around this these

28:54

kinds of very personal

28:57

rooted stories. And I think that that's

28:59

when we talk about the election,

29:00

you know, you want to hope that people

29:03

might move beyond party affiliation. I don't

29:05

know if that's possible anymore. But if it were

29:07

to understand that there are certain

29:09

issues that are universal that impact everyone,

29:12

we try to be a non political brand and

29:14

find things that go across the

29:16

political spectrum and that appeal

29:19

to everyone's core humanity. And

29:21

it feels to me like trying to I also what

29:23

I tried to do sometimes is build a

29:25

little bit of an ideal world. I did

29:29

I at a previous company, I made a show that

29:31

was set in the South. And it

29:33

was a choice I made to sort of set it

29:36

in my ideal South in my mind where

29:38

people actually got along. And I actually

29:41

feel a lot of people found comfort in that that there

29:43

was a possibility of like racial

29:45

reconciliation of people

29:47

really caring about each other across

29:50

lines that are normally dividing people.

29:52

And for me, that's a big part of art is

29:54

not to just show what is, but to

29:56

show what can be or could be or should be.

29:59

And in this

29:59

In my case, like, listening to this, it's

30:01

like there really should be much more

30:03

support for people and much

30:05

more love in the world. And it's, you know, we

30:07

live in a horrible time right now. So I

30:10

just every day it's depressing. And

30:12

I really want to say, like, what can we

30:14

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30:17

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32:31

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32:33

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32:36

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32:37

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32:38

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32:43

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32:46

and I hope you have

32:48

thoughts on this, how do we harness? I

32:51

never would have said that I was

32:52

a child care voter before I started hosting No

32:54

One Is

32:54

Coming to Save Us. I

32:57

never went to my representative

32:59

to ask, now I live in Washington, D.C. and

33:01

my family is from Washington state. I

33:05

didn't think it was important

33:08

for me to be very

33:10

dialed into how my representative thought about

33:13

care.

33:13

Now I've got the bumper sticker,

33:16

I've got the T-shirt, I'm a child care voter,

33:18

I'm an early education voter, I'm a care voter.

33:22

How do we get the people who are identifying

33:24

with the movies they see on the Hallmark Channel, who

33:27

are aware of the farm bill, what

33:29

do they need to do? How do we activate them?

33:32

I think it's about really seeding the

33:34

ground and understanding

33:36

that care is an economic issue. There's

33:38

a factual truth that families

33:40

are facing an affordability crisis right now

33:42

when it comes to affording care. And

33:45

then there's an emotional truth that care

33:47

is just hard. It's difficult,

33:50

even if you do everything

33:52

right, quote unquote, even if you

33:55

save correctly, even if you create

33:58

all the plans, you still have to do it.

33:59

to work

34:01

inside of a patchwork system. There's

34:04

no

34:04

broad support.

34:07

So I think it's about tapping into those factual

34:10

and emotional truths. And I think

34:12

it's about also talking to

34:15

folks who we wouldn't necessarily

34:17

think of when thinking about the

34:19

election. So I think about people

34:21

in purple states and swing voters and

34:23

who we think about as swing voters. And I

34:25

think it's about talking to people who

34:27

are disproportionately impacted by

34:30

the lack of care. So we've been looking

34:32

at what do

34:33

we need to say to women of color that

34:36

are in purple states? And what do we need to say

34:38

to young folks?

34:39

And how

34:41

can we connect this issue to

34:43

the change that we can see

34:46

in this country and connect

34:48

it to voting?

34:48

And how can we make them take

34:51

up arms like you did, Gloria, and say, I am a

34:53

child care voter. I vote along the

34:55

lines of care. It's the most important issue to

34:57

me. And how can we get

34:59

people in positions of power who

35:02

are directly impacted? We need more

35:05

elected officials who have

35:07

young children, right? Or who are taking care of

35:09

loved ones. Because they're connecting that personal

35:11

to policy.

35:12

So

35:14

it's about making sure we see ourselves at the highest

35:16

levels of government. Would

35:19

the

35:19

people you're talking about fall under the swing

35:22

voter category? Because I want

35:24

you to share with us how you approach

35:27

thinking about swing voters. Yeah,

35:29

I think that oftentimes when

35:32

folks talk about a swing voter,

35:34

they're thinking of people who are in

35:37

the Midwest. Or sometimes it's like

35:40

white working class folks. But the

35:42

concept of swing voters and who

35:44

is in that group are just people who just

35:46

need to be persuaded. Maybe

35:48

they feel like the system hasn't

35:51

worked for them. Maybe they set out the

35:53

last couple of elections because they feel like

35:55

change is impossible or it's too far. So

35:58

it's really about who do we really need to be. persuade

36:00

to come back to voting and

36:02

what can we give them? How can

36:05

we convince them of a better

36:06

world? Like what issue

36:08

can we really center for

36:10

them? And care is something that impacts

36:13

so many folks. And it does

36:15

work across party lines. And

36:17

we do talk

36:18

about it in narrative. And

36:20

people do feel such a strong personal

36:22

connection. So it's about connecting

36:25

the dots

36:25

and bringing them back to voting

36:27

and being engaged and really making

36:30

them understand that care is an issue

36:32

that we can center.

36:34

We can live in a better world where we can all

36:36

afford it, where we have access to it. And

36:39

we're going to push to make sure that's so. So

36:41

it's about bringing them back and

36:43

centering care is the issue to really make

36:45

them feel more engaged

36:46

and involved. I love

36:48

that. That's a beautiful thought. And

36:51

it's reflective of the positivity

36:53

that I've

36:54

seen across the country now. In the

36:56

last season of No One Is Coming, we went

36:58

to Oklahoma. We went to Michigan.

37:01

And I always say, if you're

37:03

feeling down about an issue, go talk to the people

37:05

in the fight. Because

37:08

early educators were exhausted

37:11

during COVID. Doors

37:13

were closing. But there

37:16

were people who said, no, I'm going

37:19

to stay in this because they want

37:21

a better world. They can envision. They see it

37:23

in their classrooms. It

37:25

was amazing to me that so many people left early

37:28

child care because when you are in the classroom,

37:30

you see the joy that they experience in

37:33

real time. If

37:35

anyone has a story they want to share very quickly,

37:38

I have 57 seconds for my outro. I

37:42

have

37:42

a story to start

37:44

off.

37:46

I live in rural America.

37:48

I come from the migrant farm worker community. And

37:50

I think that we talk about the divides. There's

37:53

often discussion

37:54

about the divide between rural and urban. And

37:58

for me, it's important to think about it.

37:59

tell the story of what it means to be a good

38:02

neighbor. And what we understand

38:04

in rural America is what it means to

38:06

be a good neighbor. And that being

38:08

a good neighbor is about love.

38:11

And being a good neighbor is about care.

38:14

And so I think that if we have

38:16

an opportunity to unite across one thing

38:19

and bring urban and rural closer together,

38:21

it will be

38:22

through this issue. That's right.

38:29

That gave me chills. And I want to say thank

38:31

you to all the neighbors that are driving my children

38:34

here and there so that I can be with all

38:36

of you. I want to say thank you again

38:39

to Caring Across Generations for making

38:41

this discussion possible. Thank you to

38:43

Neighborhood Villages for co-creating

38:45

this podcast with Lemon Auto Media that

38:47

I get to host. And thank

38:49

you especially to the three of

38:51

you, our guests who are here today

38:54

sharing your expertise, Lisa

38:56

Daly, Monica Ramirez, and

38:58

Jen So. Thank you so much. I'm so honored to

39:00

be on this stage and share this conversation

39:03

with you.

39:04

Thank you so much.

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