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Hello! And welcome to another

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episode of No Such Thing As a

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Fish, a weekly podcast coming to from

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the Queue I offices in Holborn. My

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name is Dan Schreiber. I'm sitting here

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with Andrew Hunter, Murray, James Harden and

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Anna to Shinskie on. Once again we

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have gathered round the microphones with our

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for favorite facts from the last seven

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days and in no particular order here

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we go. Starting with Fact Number One

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and that is Anna. My thought

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this week is that shortly after

0:41

writing an essay on why writers

0:43

shouldn't published anonymously. Anthony

0:45

Trollope published a book anonymously.

0:48

Hold out. A mere hundred and

0:50

thirty years later, I'm not

0:53

a moment to say that I've just sort

0:55

of inherited from a friend to decided it

0:57

was never going to read them. The company

0:59

works well as a troll at all and

1:01

earnings and he's giving them to me and

1:03

bits and he's used to give me the

1:05

three least known Anthony Trollope. So this is

1:07

an introduction to Nina Bullet. Through

1:10

this isn't if you wanna get into

1:12

Trollope I would say probably don't start

1:14

with that one. Is not an

1:16

entry level? No No. Anyway, this

1:18

facts native like a the introduction

1:20

It just mentioned that he wrote

1:22

an essay in Eighteen Sixty Five

1:24

and he said. A. Man should

1:26

always dare to be responsible for the work

1:28

which he does and should be ready to

1:31

accept the shame. rebuffs, ridicule, old, the indifference

1:33

which will attend bound work and it's all

1:35

about how you know put your name to

1:37

something and then he didn't put his name

1:39

to nibble Aca and. I do have some sympathy.

1:42

Know if your name is a troll up that you

1:44

don't want to put A.gov Rick? I'm not a rapper.

1:47

Who hears referral of I've read the start of,

1:49

but just as how's okay to do it in

1:51

preparation for this book or certainly heard. Or

1:54

read the first fifty pages like I've done

1:56

quite a lot of books over the years

1:58

just because of this. Yeah she's

2:00

kind of started reading. got an idea and

2:03

on my think I got an idea of

2:05

this guy's it's higher for now how around

2:07

and get again about robots and as a

2:09

small her so on his read some trollope

2:11

have the most of them. I'm actually a

2:13

troll virgin. I'd. Honestly, I set

2:15

my wife last night that if anyone

2:17

likes Anthony Trollope on the with like

2:20

I'm for the trial Is it because

2:22

he right is about ecclesiastical ah, masses

2:24

in the nineteenth century? Yes, Yeah, I

2:26

think I will. I hope your story

2:28

I. Don't. Know that is either other. Mysql

2:30

on they say yeah day I think I'm

2:32

I'm slightly for that kind of. That sir

2:34

it feels like is in between will

2:36

utilize. He feels to me like it

2:39

sucks half way between Dickens and Jane

2:41

Austen it is. but they. Must Be

2:43

Totally is not as widely read as I

2:45

think. He should be is frowned on and

2:47

lots of of because. He was just i'm

2:49

a senior. Out for what? And

2:51

he forty seven novels, loads of

2:53

stories. His routine was getting up

2:56

every morning sign thirty rising. the

2:58

three solid hours. He. Said what's in

3:00

front of them made himself right. Two hundred and

3:02

fifty words every fifteen minutes and he did not

3:04

want counts that time. So I don't know that

3:06

incorporated county in the. World must have counted the

3:09

pages cause you to janitor hello my stuff.

3:11

I love our I think guys Exactly how

3:13

I would rights as I was writing novels.

3:15

I actually thought reading about him and this is not

3:17

a negative thing until I thought there's quite a lot

3:19

of you and. Him A It was annoying

3:21

as we were like we we'll write

3:23

books As someone who. You. Know

3:25

subtle around a bit. toys with the

3:28

margins A assume that is isn't any

3:30

to see like in the time you've

3:32

been fooling around with the margins. Anthony

3:34

Trollope underwritten sixteen by Atlanta and he

3:36

had a portable desk made i love

3:38

the so he could write on trains

3:40

and if he was going on board

3:42

a ship he would meet up with

3:44

the ship's carpenter to rage proper writing.

3:46

conditional release for the last pretty Red

3:48

Sea Wireless so. But. The really hesitant

3:51

because he was herbs and I'm simplifying a

3:53

postman. Was

3:55

a good. At but he wrote

3:57

in the morning of the at a full time job of the post office

3:59

for about. War How to the decades? Yeah, a

4:01

little quality is really senior. Yes, really senior in

4:04

the post of ago to see what that long

4:06

as I've really cool facts which is the only

4:08

thing I knew about him. which is that he's

4:10

basically responsible for the reason that we have post

4:13

boxes and over the Uk. possibly he spotted in

4:15

in France. I don't think he ever claimed that

4:17

he invented it, but he certainly recommended it to

4:19

the government and based be green. But now they're

4:22

right. And the thing though it like he is

4:24

responsible for I suppose. but they did exist in

4:26

France. I did exist in Belgium, the stamp had

4:28

been invented about thirty or forty. Years earlier

4:30

it feels like we've my of got there

4:33

anyways, even without any hardly by we have

4:35

them hundred and yeah, I heard the call

4:37

them quite just to sort of really hammer

4:39

home what a workaholic he was. He said

4:41

there was no human bliss equal to twelve

4:43

hours of work with only six hours in

4:45

which to do it. He was a bit

4:48

like by Because and ninety Nineties in the

4:50

Uk because his motto was no day without

4:52

a line. Say.

4:54

Center and I'm can we

4:57

talk a little. About

4:59

funny trollope. Sure, Our his

5:01

mum gems yes for his parents

5:03

were very interesting people and spritely,

5:05

his dad was a complete failure

5:07

in life. Sounds hard for the

5:10

is true that Gustafson I'm in. A pocket and

5:12

two hundred is a Nevada. On I well

5:14

either I dream of doing in own us

5:16

at by his father and how the had

5:18

law work which would file that a farm

5:20

which had filed and he the so he

5:22

decided finally to run to think of the

5:24

encyclopedia Ecclesiastical which would define all the ecclesiastical

5:26

term that had ever existed and he he

5:29

by the time he died he was still

5:31

available at a d it will ah you

5:33

melee that the asserts hit it out He

5:35

and. Other: oh

5:37

yeah, Amen is another big. He

5:40

hired a little chasubles. I.

5:42

Mean, you can see why I'm sort of.

5:44

You even see I struggled. Resilience Catholic. Ah

5:46

baby Jesus. Yes

5:49

of a way. That was is that.

5:52

It's tricky, tricky types of. but his

5:55

mom was a successful author and we

5:57

had a successful and she made her

5:59

name by writing a book called the

6:01

Domestic Manner that the Americans because she'd

6:03

gone to America set up this business

6:05

center which is completely collapsed of it's

6:08

a Disaster and or but then she

6:10

wrote this book A which was basically

6:12

just incredibly rude about everyone in the

6:14

Usa. It was very very very snobbish

6:16

and I'm a became a massive success

6:19

to set of people lived in New

6:21

York. They were bullying, struggling, crafty and

6:23

surprising industrious, swaggering drinking, posting them, money

6:25

getting at but then enemy of the

6:27

podcast Mark Twain. Thank you. He

6:31

really loved her and real sykes have basically

6:33

say well you know she's telling the truth

6:35

That's what we're like. Fair enough. Athletic A

6:37

So he liked her so I now don't

6:39

like her. Great. Okay, think you. Might

6:42

be going rather Hedrick. One thing I

6:44

notice from reading the first fifty paces

6:46

much as to tell us is how

6:49

hackers see his with names every with

6:51

a sonos he notices on a on

6:53

Earth and a month of only read

6:55

the Way We Live Now world that

6:57

like the first two couple of the

7:00

first characters ah in the Policemen and

7:02

that Cold London New New and on

7:04

a Crumb Pies where he's basically just

7:06

taken Greek letters and tournaments I know

7:09

right and the what. He used to

7:11

do quite a lot is do that thing

7:13

where I saw stickers that at that way

7:15

you just take whatever attribute your character has

7:17

and just told them that. Oh. Yeah,

7:19

Dickens's and. Right hour earlier this

7:21

month in his novel Miss Mackenzie Eyes

7:24

about a young woman whose pursued by

7:26

three men who a Cold Hancock rub

7:28

and balls. What? And

7:32

there was another man called that Hancock

7:34

but suffer and there's another man they

7:36

they were who he's not suitable sita

7:38

for this woman her and he's called

7:41

mr for to the. Know.

7:43

How to sell on the now takes a

7:45

bit of the suspense out of it. Doesn't

7:47

matter to a I am. I wonder if

7:49

I can give you some names of characters

7:51

and you can tell me what they. Did.

7:54

And really are we gonna get

7:56

downright? And so did rabbits? Ended

8:00

up in Britain said Sunday rub okay I guess

8:02

at what have look like a breed it a

8:04

lot. I know he was the

8:06

leader of a hunt. a couple okay

8:09

I get Samuel Nick I'm policemen least

8:11

year titles. he wasn't a policeman by

8:13

some evidence against some people have been

8:15

poisoned and get animals and. I was

8:17

gonna say stop left her and I've only

8:19

just realized that nicking them as something that's

8:21

not much as do i'm play sunday so

8:23

I know him know I know kim or

8:25

another the decides how confusing. The Federals Yasuda

8:28

thought that. On

8:30

a tangle with that son of

8:33

standard comedian. Someone

8:35

who think they're funny so like an

8:37

hour this is on that a dad

8:39

jokes are going back to the previous

8:41

episodes and character and know he was

8:43

a for knowledge just crumbles such as

8:45

I As a witless person I got

8:48

lucky enough phonology and so Thera bug

8:50

to not. I'm. Not,

8:52

I'm not from colonists innocent son

8:55

of I have a. Bad

8:57

know he was a brewer of all over

8:59

him by the Bunko in the area. That's

9:02

right, veggies or is it's while were quickly

9:04

on them. Barks has two towers. have you

9:06

ever got to bit in the book where

9:08

he injects himself as an eraser because that

9:10

something he apparently lawsuits that he does a

9:12

toy of then he pops And so for

9:14

example is a sentence that comes in that

9:16

book where it says how easily she would

9:19

have forgiven and forgotten the Archdeacon suspicions had

9:21

see but heard the whole truth from Miss

9:23

Our Than but then where would have been

9:25

my novel I said I only noticed. I

9:27

have it. and then right at the

9:29

end he says the end of a

9:32

novel like the end of a children's

9:34

dinner party must be filled with sweet

9:36

meats and sugar plums obviously eluding maybe

9:38

to a nice happy ending this photo

9:40

by his arms on being sick, abusing

9:43

drugs, home screaming and in a savings.

9:46

Into some you know do not have gone to

9:48

their little bit yes on either be like season

9:50

I say but at least is. Lovely. But

9:52

I'm the only channels than to settle the time to sort

9:54

of her head around the Curse Of and says hello and

9:56

then both Back or not get up. Have you heard of

9:59

his novel The Fixed Period? No, this is very

10:01

weird. So this was his i think

10:03

only venture into Saif I. Cook.

10:05

Ware is set in Nineteen Eighty Out

10:08

on a fictional islands in the Southern

10:10

Hemisphere called Britain Ula. And. The

10:12

main point the story is that it

10:14

has compulsory euthanasia for anyone between the

10:16

age of sixty seven and sixty eight.

10:18

That the idea. It also features a

10:20

futuristic cricket match that has she can't

10:22

get to the best age. I'm right.

10:24

Yeah, yeah. I do you a

10:27

sexual innuendo. And eight that doesn't steam

10:29

tries to go with can go twenty

10:31

five miles an hour. So it's Hillraiser,

10:33

the nineteenth century. But get this. Trollope,

10:36

Died at the age of sixty seven and

10:38

a half three, none. Other

10:40

than another that I. Of

10:43

have some. He didn't do much of his life i

10:45

but thanks to the I think his novels were sent him

10:47

off l. Marvel. Marvel more

10:49

old sorry about a hundred

10:51

moslems. unanswered. although that seventeenth

10:53

century laureates yeah suggests an.

10:57

Authentic and. They felt well enough and time

10:59

they would is I am. The A very good hands.

11:01

Hey and then they would have written a marvel. Comic

11:03

because he they did, You did that. You

11:06

created the universe. Ah, pro. Or lovely

11:08

yellow think. This kind of explains why he was able to

11:10

turn things out say not as well as about that when you read.

11:12

Them there a lot of extra was

11:14

Bertha that led to process a lot

11:16

of other you could lose a lot

11:18

of you ever read sorry said This

11:20

is digressing by have you ever at

11:22

the Womble books nice no reasonable post

11:24

my daughter and all the way for

11:26

it's like and then the womble went

11:28

to the park and picked up some

11:30

litter. They picked up an umbrella a

11:32

bag of crisps like this as a

11:34

to fill up all the sentences which

11:36

is loyalists of nonsense as the word

11:39

count for the de sus trollope figure

11:41

out but and sixteen adjectives. And literati.

11:43

The table I cannot go for like

11:45

five minutes during the one with bucks.

11:47

I could I thought of as the Tv. So you're the guy

11:49

who's like. Into the original Over to

11:52

that was largely really have no

11:54

assessment the photos k before the

11:56

C V so doesn't exist as

11:58

a better anyway. you know the

12:00

probably cinematic universe it in my in Nevada

12:03

in about that. Is really fun

12:05

said I've only read one. That is why we The

12:07

Balance. Isn't the Universe but Miles and happens

12:09

to have read quite the more. And it

12:11

isn't funk as characters Poppins, mother. Played

12:13

lifeless or another Or viola

12:15

say. That he was annoying when he

12:17

was twenty five is now for seats and unease

12:20

bit wiser. Iraq and though he had high

12:22

percents hazier are young which is so I have

12:24

a fantasia which means I can't imagine things but

12:26

some people have had fantasia. What you really tell

12:28

imagine anything this like just an incredible story going

12:31

on in your head and since I don't even

12:33

realize that it's in your head and he used

12:35

to say that his main work that he did

12:37

was when he was daydreaming so you know he

12:40

would sign out these words but that's with the

12:42

rest of the day he just beating. Can I

12:44

wonder what my characters will be doing now when

12:46

he can write them down? He was pretty easy

12:48

for him because he was just. This is

12:51

my remember them do and I think enormous

12:53

as a glass lot is kind of not

12:55

even really important and just spot the characters

12:57

exactly as you say. My want to know

12:59

what his legs were like because I think

13:01

you might have a fantastic pair of legs

13:03

attack. Go on. Well you're isn't. He.

13:06

Was all over the Uk. Ah for his

13:08

work for the post office with a while

13:10

and first home or it's not writing and

13:12

basically he had walk out the root for

13:14

postman and he rode across the countryside. Is

13:16

it about forty miles a day? writing of

13:18

comes they have feels like the horse with

13:20

have good like the right authorities have a

13:22

great bomb The thought this he was a

13:24

member of a thing called the Tramp Society

13:26

which was a rumble have club across southeast

13:28

England that walks it's huge distances everytime develops

13:30

yes so I think I need lower half

13:32

might have been incredibly said. Well and I'm the

13:34

poor. I think that you know what the hardest they

13:36

will have. it isn't his lifeless and that the hive

13:39

off. At although know. It

13:41

was walking and it with when you

13:43

posted to Glasgow and he wanted see

13:45

review happened. placements, jobs basically it's and

13:47

Titan in Glasgow we're having to get

13:49

up and down tenement block. someone decides

13:51

a letter to one person as he

13:54

walks a full Glasgow postman root of

13:56

announced as on his feet and came

13:58

back to the place. The man was

14:00

like halo. That I'd have a really rough

14:02

when you know that yes, a second of a

14:04

novel? sort of Hundred and forty copies. I

14:06

got it. Yeah it did not sell and they

14:09

are on a widow bus an island first to

14:11

a good published and women and hundred and I

14:13

are all I don't know but the publisher had

14:15

result whether thank you know if it is cause

14:17

mama's it's cause mom is funny trauma and I.

14:21

Was so embarrassed began by the

14:23

government has and I would acquire

14:25

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16:06

Okay and fine for fact number two. and

16:08

that is my fact. My sack this week

16:10

is a in two thousand and eight. The

16:12

Tv channel spent the day rescheduling shows so

16:14

that millions of people in India could continue

16:16

to watch a live broadcast of a man

16:19

trying to kill another man using nothing but

16:21

his mind a case And it took longer

16:23

than X or is it like. When it's that

16:25

will not go into action, I'm only. Half the battle, the

16:27

news or a way that I like that

16:29

tennis Uma, It was it. Manhood is money

16:31

isn't I went on of the Wimbledon several

16:33

months and years ago now and it it

16:35

went on. They played with that the mood

16:37

like seventy games easier for me. The huskers.

16:39

Yeah, it was kind of that. Sven Moon.

16:41

And I am a single close to death than than. I

16:43

ever go. There were no coy actually.

16:45

Oh okay at that time there was

16:47

a politician who said out loud but

16:50

she thought that someone was attacking her

16:52

mentally using tantric powers which is you

16:54

know when we talk about tantric sex,

16:56

know that there's a side of it

16:58

which has to do with the mines.

17:00

And you can supposedly attack people if

17:02

you're using the doc practices of it

17:04

right? So as a result there was

17:06

a tv show with skeptics and ten

17:08

for a practitioner as and were brought

17:10

together. On the show was called Tantric

17:12

Power versus Science and. While on the

17:14

So, this guy who was called pundits

17:16

are in the summer claimed that he could

17:18

kill someone within minutes using nothing but his

17:21

mind. Now the person who's sitting on

17:23

the panel with him with a guy called

17:25

so Now at America is he represented

17:27

Foods in the he's the President of the

17:29

Rational International. A concrete yeah he says you

17:32

can't do them. Even. Even do that.

17:34

Do it to me now. And the guy

17:36

says okay fine other to announce that night

17:38

when they call your bluff line and that

17:40

and athletes So he says do it now

17:42

So I say right let's do this. The

17:44

houses are going right. Let's do this legally.

17:46

Very tricky water for the tunnel in the

17:48

program to be and exactly as I'm thinking

17:50

about all the forms we have to fill

17:52

in on cue I if he just you

17:54

know, strike and not. Just

17:57

you very rarely you dog tantrum see why?

18:01

So basically what happens is is this

18:03

guy Sama gets up and start focusing

18:05

his mind on him. It's clearly not

18:07

working. The rational guy is sort of

18:09

giving laps and so on. So I

18:11

saw my comes over start sprinkling water

18:13

on him as an intimidation tactics. He

18:16

starts ruffling as hell. I know I'm

18:18

a big guns Italian allow I took

18:20

his his eyes. Ah it was all

18:22

us up percent of the stuff and

18:24

this is where it gets a bit

18:26

desperate and he suddenly presses his fingers

18:29

down onto his forehead. And steadily really

18:31

pushes and pushes and Vicky has to be

18:33

called out because basically us to you will

18:35

kill me because you're trying to cross my

18:37

skull basically so as to go back to

18:39

his seat and he has to do it

18:41

with his mind. Now this point the so

18:43

it must be ending specific it but I

18:45

say it's not done yet So the snow

18:47

continues and the next show was cancelled and

18:50

at this point word is getting. Rounds of

18:52

people are tuning into tuning in. After couple

18:54

of hours the guys exhausted Som is exhausted

18:56

and he says but I'm not done yet

18:58

let's meet again this evening and this evening

19:00

I will do the Ultimate Destruction ceremony and

19:02

kill you What is going through his mind

19:04

he I'm going to get out of yes

19:06

I'm sure I can think of an ultimate

19:08

the started seventy into two hours between us

19:10

and what is it would rather than I

19:12

think his plan probably is it not turn

19:14

up. My. Leg. ah sorry, I wasn't

19:17

telling some other person. if they go to

19:19

another single you wouldn't know yet. So they

19:21

do it at night. this is performed under

19:23

and also in an open night sky. They've

19:25

got all the cameras there and he tried

19:27

and tried and tried. and obviously the guy

19:29

who's the rational guy is laughing his ass

19:31

off the whole fi so it didn't work

19:33

out. But this you know, just a reminder

19:35

is two thousand a nice and this was

19:37

broadcast live and according to many reports, something

19:39

hundred the millions of is a huge population

19:41

in India, but you know, millions tuned in

19:43

to see a man killed live on Tv.

19:45

Probably knowing yeah I'm gonna be a wanted to see

19:47

what happened. I have a question of you guys Yeah

19:50

it's. You. On that Tv sets on your next

19:52

attempt at master and they said I could kill

19:54

someone with my mind. Would you

19:56

have. The. Courage to say. No.

19:58

You can't do it to me. Yeah, he. Definitely

20:01

was out there. Wouldn't be a tiny bit

20:03

of doubt that like I'm pretty sure you

20:05

com. A What he started on Sigma Chi.

20:08

Only I would feel fairly consider

20:10

that one up. And know, but you

20:12

can't be fairly. Confident. Okay with

20:14

I would be a hundred percent certain that

20:16

that wouldn't have you be out for a

20:19

guy would be I would be pretty confident

20:21

but I would think to myself on be

20:23

so annoyed if I have a house that

20:25

nine hundred and unrelatedly when I heard of

20:28

the others and be tongue and I once

20:30

the Tigers Nest ministry and this a little

20:32

bit we have to jump from one bits

20:34

of the other and you're going over of

20:37

sheer drop of thousands of feet and the

20:39

step is basically just the stats you know

20:41

it's just that the do every single. Day

20:43

and it's no problem of all the

20:45

way throws thinking. If. I fall

20:48

now. Was fucking idiot and you

20:50

know why they the islands the doing that

20:52

and I suppose it's that kind of exactly

20:54

Slayer under pressure of the Tv cameras will

20:56

make you think you know this is very

20:58

public for I can understand. I'm very impressed

21:00

by the skeptic. Are you admire For him

21:03

it's not wanting to die. Yeah yeah yeah

21:05

I would not have a girl he didn't.

21:07

You think about. What

21:09

it would be really fun to for to

21:12

draw the death time for dude out by

21:14

pretending to die and like I'm about to

21:16

get some good for? No, I've never. I've

21:18

never. Heard of this. Some I think

21:20

of Pantera yeah as primarily a

21:22

sexual thing for whole. Know. One

21:25

thing other, I'm thinking about staying. Yes,

21:27

Who claims to see the in the nineties?

21:29

the good as sex or five hours because

21:31

of tantrum tantric skills He says he never

21:33

said that and or if he does now.

21:36

but the a suprise yeah Bob Geldof spread

21:38

the rumor has the right And then he

21:40

said always had five hour for that included

21:42

dinner and a movie followed by some begging

21:44

you know you know them very funny jokes

21:46

about area where the hell a movie is

21:48

a lot of a regular maybe been notified

21:50

for letting us know but as as I

21:53

don't know anything about Central really over the

21:55

idea of time I gather it's more. Of

21:57

a philosophy or set of philosophies on his.

22:00

Wake up with a lot of different level

22:02

a desert? Yeah. have elements of tundra? definitely.

22:04

Yeah. Sort of spread across all these different

22:06

schools of thought that no one thing and

22:08

you know when I say that you know

22:10

the dark side and whatever, you know that

22:12

so rare it's like I'm not. really. Even

22:14

a thing will get letters people saying cooper

22:16

another thing right? Yeah, but it's place in

22:18

Hinduism. yeah highly than other religions and. It's

22:20

not. It's own belief system within hinder the mythos. I

22:22

can tell it's like a. A series

22:24

of practices were seem to exist. In

22:27

lots of strands of Hinduism has. Almost like

22:29

non orthodox hinduism. That yeah and

22:31

fun i did read thing thing. the whole

22:33

point of that was to subvert hinduism and

22:35

encourage lots of things that hinduism does not

22:38

like. I think that's one way he are

22:40

encouraged. To have suspicion conflict which

22:42

is like eating meat, drinking wine

22:44

for fun. And

22:48

I've applied. Sort of. yeah. Me

22:50

and strengthen the line. Yes, Hundred Seventy Two The

22:53

thought? I didn't. Know

22:56

that looks delicious To aside out of i've

22:58

had a fool Some I didn't have the

23:00

surreal yeah I would have enough. To be

23:03

that sex is the last. One hour every.

23:06

Day for those giving a date and it a

23:09

quarter that review for hims is is or in

23:11

order max. Of

23:14

this is it's drinking, eating movie,

23:16

begging the city to do to.

23:20

Survive on alcohol, meat,

23:22

fish, grain, and sex.

23:25

Or whatever. So that point says no.

23:27

I'm pleasantly do that five at home,

23:29

but the fifth one is always headache.

23:31

This was like that at some other

23:33

Illinois. But the

23:35

either violating all these hindu to do.

23:38

And I think that's cold left handed contrast

23:40

to the left handed touch and right under

23:42

tundra Left on the times is the sex.

23:44

One. Almost and as low on the

23:47

fry them and I've been I've got a

23:49

full blown to come together sentences. I always

23:51

do less. Had the subsectors, it feels like

23:53

someone else until. Such.

23:59

As know thousand. Iran to listen.

24:01

We can be trusted them to

24:03

assist. Other things are done in

24:05

it's hunt for traditions that an unknown

24:07

sets. you'll get for the right hundreds

24:09

living and cemeteries. If you're

24:11

not alone and smearing cremation asses on your

24:13

body, so these are all a gory. Rituals

24:16

Nice A A Gory. Yeah.

24:18

Because I'm quite gory. Or. An allegory

24:21

for the sooner. Yes, I was

24:23

out as mister. Saddam. very good. Maybe

24:25

that it's a fun town was to the

24:27

is very dogs they smuggled marijuana not too

24:29

dark they drink of alcohol and they met

24:32

at they aren't of of corpses. I

24:34

got some good news viewed them,

24:36

yeah, so the medicine on a

24:38

corpse require love rules about the

24:40

kind of corpse you can meditate.

24:43

Ideally it will be somebody dies from

24:45

drowning, lightning strikes, snake bites, something like

24:48

that. You are allowed to kill the

24:50

person. On before you meditate

24:52

on top of them. but you

24:54

shouldn't really meditate on top of

24:56

the man with a beard or

24:59

on top of a white guy.

25:01

Nothing. Anyone

25:03

who hadn't packs he suddenly the

25:05

Russia. Oh that is

25:08

rather or the clear. Them

25:10

from two to three up a

25:12

fit allow. And but what about

25:14

a clean shaven bad boy like

25:16

me? about my in a foreign

25:18

lived for getting meditated on. There.

25:22

Are good. I. Am I

25:24

read an amazing way of if someone

25:26

is? So let's say we are on

25:28

that show and we have said yes,

25:30

consenting to Sharma trying to kill us

25:32

with his mind one way. Of.

25:35

Getting him out your mind. Second

25:37

of the bad juju that's inside.

25:39

there is something that was practice

25:42

by a guy called Victor. Fortunately

25:44

he's a just plan now. We

25:46

spoke many episodes ago about a

25:49

very famous chess championship in Nineteen

25:51

Seventy Eight and they were to

25:53

Russian Grandmaster chess players Karpov against

25:56

courts noise and basically coach Noisy

25:58

was sitting there had. A

26:00

guy in the audience who was who

26:02

was mentally to everything get into his

26:04

head was eight of the weirdest chess

26:06

game every right. Coach Noi eventually brings

26:09

in two people who practice the idea

26:11

although this mine power stuff and he

26:13

genuinely did this during the course of

26:15

the game. To get rid of all

26:17

the bad thoughts are in his head

26:19

you do a handstand. So. That you

26:21

can seek it out using the gravity that's pulling

26:23

out of the earth. All the bad vibes Not

26:25

as if either you're in a space where you

26:27

think you're being infiltrated in your mind. Do a

26:30

handstand if you believe though. Death or enough the

26:32

is a movie sort of getting on the psychosomatic

26:34

thing if you believe that someone is in the

26:36

crock getting into your head which he did the

26:38

know they're already in the yeah and he was

26:40

in. that I like the that's exactly it. He

26:42

ran three of them that he went. He

26:45

lost but only just been ongoing go down and

26:47

then he did that hands dancing and he came

26:49

back for like a few game on any lost

26:51

the final game didn't. Say that last

26:53

visit our Ss. this is remind

26:55

me of another interesting Hindu sets

26:57

which are then fonda for a

26:59

while the neither Saudis. So again

27:02

let's let an insult about the

27:04

naked Sat is. What? Suited naked all

27:06

the time. Saddles, Ah minutes

27:08

is as I was. yeah so I

27:10

love this is the asceticism and renouncing

27:12

everything and they have very strict exercise

27:14

routines so that that I said that

27:16

they've long bed for they have no.

27:19

Clothes, Say. They also smear

27:21

themselves and asses. I say as

27:23

it seems to been living here and but

27:25

they were great fighters back in the days

27:27

of they've been around for many hundreds or

27:29

thousands of his am and they were military

27:31

men so and ninety cents you have they

27:33

were nothing but a belts and they have

27:36

like ammunition and flint's and. Tanzania that bell

27:38

while I thought man yeah but nude

27:40

batman he has as he normally is

27:42

wearing the full the unmanned the on

27:44

cause he's very a bit to cover

27:46

not really yeah yep I'm just mean

27:48

like the futility a and absolutely said

27:50

got the utility belts. And that so

27:53

you need rarely am. And they were great

27:55

military leaders. And in fact, there was one

27:57

Eighteenth Century you command. They were twenty thousand

27:59

men in black. If you have them

28:01

kind of that money and in the

28:03

battles that the British East India Company

28:05

had when they're trying to colonized India,

28:07

they played a huge role and busily

28:09

they were often mercenaries to the often

28:11

for for different sides which is weird

28:13

given that they renounce all possessions. So.

28:15

I don't know what you're using all that money

28:17

or getting. Pay. Our you gotta you know

28:20

Sarah. Third, the dental expenditure lesser. Many

28:22

of you know you will not have

28:24

have a variety day on a really

28:26

nice fell within the not set that

28:28

up after a beard oil very the

28:30

horizon and heart attack us. Okay,

28:40

to decide to fact number three of

28:42

that, his. Chest. Okay my

28:44

for this week is that the last

28:46

thing that British soldiers going to the

28:48

Crimean war saw was Queen Victoria throwing

28:50

to sue up them says is funny

28:52

and stay out of the hell I

28:54

think I. Know

28:57

this is a good luck Think it's

28:59

been a good look thing since the

29:01

sixteenth century at least. and Queen Victoria

29:03

least you got married. She had shoes

29:05

thrown off the her so she obviously

29:07

had this idea. That was good luck.

29:09

And there is an Ac fifty four

29:11

sketch from Punch Magazine shows her throwing.

29:13

A shoe her soldiers as they go off for

29:15

the Crimean War. Three I'd never heard this tradition

29:17

the to shoot shocking for luck was never ever

29:20

heard of but she did a lot. see the

29:22

the in a humidifier. She talked to the to

29:24

Balmoral causal again and for lock and that was

29:26

a. And isn't she takes one of her own

29:28

shoes off Or does he take an extra? soon? I am. Back

29:31

request a good question Oh no yeah so

29:33

the first one she's throwing it off from

29:35

up where she she's standing on a balcony

29:37

nice right so the cases see that humps

29:39

problem flippers anyway so could do not with

29:42

a ser and eleven zoc already have issue

29:44

as a hit someone yeah where most for

29:46

the balcony think I was still be My

29:48

question do we know with a shoe is

29:50

because I couldn't a confined in the to

29:52

get be so kind of comedy I will

29:55

tourists years here the revised yeah but the

29:57

she also she traditions hiding susan the wolves,

29:59

rebuilding some. The Governor? Yeah, That's

30:02

a good luck. Oh yes, it is a rainy

30:04

day to ward off evil. Ah easily

30:07

he. Will yes they suffer from Northampton,

30:09

the made old by feals who's made in

30:11

the Uk from Northampton for sending read and

30:13

as it was two towns where the football

30:15

team called the Cobbler's so is it Ah

30:17

but they've got a thing called the hidden

30:19

Sue index at the north him to museum

30:22

I read it was called the concealed shoe

30:24

index which made me wonder what see a

30:26

sign of handsome will be like ah for

30:28

his drunken i don't know which is the

30:30

true name it goes back to the fifties

30:32

I for the oldest to they've got were

30:34

found in a building that's like the thirteen

30:36

o' eight. Wow. Feel that building? Yeah

30:39

as another Be wearable is it? know?

30:41

It is related to this businesses

30:43

thing found in buildings. Other thing

30:45

is an aunt that little people have very. The. Yeah,

30:47

whole lot of nights work

30:49

well and frogs. Yes, the me that

30:51

was the good lighting, his. Tools that

30:53

attracts or distract auditor which

30:56

is. In fact, that evil

30:58

thing doesn't or hacks and I'm going to

31:00

know that I think that. Maybe

31:02

one of my same as shoe throwing

31:04

incidents is when George Bush had. To.

31:07

She's turned him and facts in two thousand

31:09

and eight guy and a rocky reporter and

31:11

at see our three reading what George Bush

31:14

said when he was asked about it afterwards

31:16

I saw you know there was a lot

31:18

of President George Bush of the time understandably

31:20

thought he said i know I wasn't offended

31:23

that were in a democracy it's for this

31:25

is freedom for you. You're allowed to do

31:27

this kind of thing and was very mature

31:29

of him of them. The guy with

31:31

an imprisoned and on I think beaten very

31:34

badly as most of the last teeth I

31:36

think I think was by the Iraqi authorities

31:38

rather rather byron else. But yeah yeah but

31:40

the set the a settlement bang on. They

31:42

did a massive shoe statue than Lee statue.

31:47

Of Wednesday's in Iran and Iraq yeah but it was

31:49

done I think is done in a university or something

31:51

and they had to take it down because it was

31:53

seen as being political and when they towards and to

31:55

they run over and beat it with minutes is that

31:57

is a set everything. Up.

32:01

An alumnus of a Vm in America that

32:03

has as one of it's exhibits a replica

32:05

of the shoe a really not even the

32:07

pseudonym. Yeah, I don't get the shoes were

32:09

destroyed by the Cia or I have sorry

32:12

I've never found any more conspiracy when not

32:14

what I have. however they actually were. Yeah,

32:16

because I think that another sued the become

32:18

martyrs need to be drafted into Destroy says

32:20

I can you get the Nfc I maybe

32:22

it was there for the service and seven

32:24

is the secrets or is the secret service

32:27

I'm but it can be business as well

32:29

Leave rival cobblers. In the area started

32:31

playing oh yes that Osu renamed yeah

32:33

under the the throw the throw a

32:35

month that are outside the he was

32:38

offered some a couple of hands in

32:40

marriage. By. Various people who said

32:42

some my are of my my my

32:44

my daughter and then. In two

32:46

thousand and nine he was doing an event the

32:48

focus of the year off the he'd the think

32:50

that's what happened he doesn't even and you gotta

32:52

shoot yeah it was a real second life thing

32:55

on the and yeah he lied Bless are not

32:57

Piper. Or

32:59

Bush's had more seats thrown at him since

33:02

there's a whole army became a thing. posts

33:04

at events grammarly. there's a whole week of

33:06

beauty a page where it's us to throwing

33:08

incident since I settled in and give you

33:11

a big timeline and it really picks up

33:13

after an old maid Bush was yeah with

33:15

attacks this. A famous incidences Well Queen Elizabeth

33:17

like Queen in a striker yeah I see

33:20

through issue at Philip when they were in

33:22

a straight line was one of the only

33:24

moments where fights I think in fact the

33:26

only incident in which a fight with scene

33:28

between Philip and the Queen city through a

33:30

tennis racket him as well Yeah Tennis racket

33:32

Yeah and the all these were filming from

33:34

a distance and they were like that is

33:36

what did we just see to We've never

33:38

seen anything like that before and so one

33:40

of the Pr people had come out for

33:43

the Queen and so what do you guys

33:45

doing with a British accent. I. Am

33:48

And then the queen came out. She apologized

33:50

and she said where do you want me

33:52

as if to say please don't use our

33:54

i'm here Now So embarrassing apology for you

33:56

witnessing that but possibly she was wishing him

33:58

good luck. I

34:01

never a fan. Lucky that his record. Of

34:04

physicists all of your lucky close around

34:06

for the lord this that that that.

34:09

Since. James of

34:11

you have as the Of or Mathieson specifically the stories

34:14

and have you ever seen a Plenty tree? Win

34:18

either way as an adolescent. Know,

34:20

But I think I can guess whether

34:22

this is a tree where people leave

34:24

their pants as right. Why would I

34:27

have seen it was you specifically? Ominous

34:29

in bolton is not a bolton thing.

34:31

that's a goal thing. Oh, it's a

34:33

sporting thing. Each

34:35

other's. Could change make the habit of this a single

34:37

the weird places in the world. At night on under

34:39

and is a pervert. A I'm a simple maybe

34:42

I'm like Tom Jones of wherever I walk people

34:44

just throw pugs. that me I heard whenever I'm

34:46

walking in the forest. You

34:49

all the time. Seats are as. Though

34:52

is the reason is because I know James

34:54

has been on a skiing holiday. yeah I

34:56

think you you for road from it's for

34:59

real with you guys. Metropolitan really throws the

35:01

Amd but no opponents a thing on the

35:03

frisky list. Produce. Keyless goes very

35:05

high than that and it passes over some

35:07

trees and in some ski resorts thera trees

35:10

where people took. Their. Panties.

35:12

On the tree I've seen on it Now my. Billie.

35:14

Was a Mardi Gras thing I'm ugly but

35:17

there was no is a know that my

35:19

lots of like spotted the broad the pantheon

35:21

oh my god I'm not saying I'm. Saying

35:23

and is I think I'm better beloved. The

35:25

skiing authorities monograph on I am A is

35:27

better than a problem is must be home

35:29

to get the glittering conspicuous or a guy

35:32

does it feel to get unicode off On

35:34

a scale of pilot it's a tough I

35:36

don't think about. Wearing

35:39

and I guess is as exactly are

35:41

you got resembled a month that pull

35:43

the all over the scheme. Getting that

35:45

ending is a nail scale. love with

35:47

a smile thing is these are they

35:49

gonna fall? Yeah no I reckon this

35:52

is bad Her. Pants situation. The Pocket

35:54

is an area of troubled areas that oh

35:56

my name's estate and occasionally have dropped a

35:58

Ski Paul when going upcoming game as I'm

36:00

sure many people have and obviously we hire

36:02

Ah Skis and then we went back and

36:05

we said we shops or ski pole can

36:07

be pay for the ski pole There are

36:09

no no don't worry about it because at

36:11

the end of the season when all the

36:14

snow melts someone goes up and collect some

36:16

of the ski poles often than they just

36:18

repeat the between always felt really I mean

36:20

I have a fascinating yeah yeah that that

36:22

related issues in Atlanta is fine to skip

36:25

as. Good as

36:27

if antes my. And twenty sixteen and he's an

36:29

Egyptian palmer. talk to each other, issues on one

36:31

and one attacks another with a safe. Or

36:34

something cause sorry for the drop down

36:36

from earth marry you will have gotten.

36:38

I wasn't. The other one wasn't quick enough of

36:41

them are taking a seal off the he was

36:43

also suspended was I don't know I on. Surprise.

36:45

Us busy for we would be

36:47

from our parliament as well to

36:49

the wrong with that line or

36:51

s open bracket see close brackets

36:53

andel some. The Sun, the land

36:55

guys scandals and stuff sexism alongside

36:57

other then you know that I

36:59

swear that would have been written

37:01

and as if anything suspicious rest

37:03

of us who the yeah. And sounds

37:05

like a very exciting moment. Toolset oh casa

37:07

was the empty got attacked by say because

37:09

it had the israeli employee round and one

37:12

of his fellow empties objects into that and

37:14

go angry and hit him with a say

37:16

at this court of mouth waiting say. Honest.

37:19

A lot of fun addition to parliament see how

37:21

his honestly. Once. Try it out! Does a

37:23

bit of learning about Queen Victoria throwing the

37:25

shoes of the Crimean war soldiers who to

37:27

the the have very bad through. Situations.

37:30

When they go to the war. On the flowers

37:32

for the loudly they should have kept that ones

37:34

that a who will. Yeah they had awful boots

37:37

and they got trench foot. Their feet swelled up

37:39

in the in the cold. The clothing with video

37:41

will sometimes the soul of us who would just

37:43

stick to the mud as they left their foot

37:45

up. On the rest of

37:47

the shoe came under the soul was

37:50

left behind. right second stickers. yea and

37:52

really bad here. They had a horrible

37:54

time. Yet it was enough. One.

37:56

Instance of War Office. Many of

37:58

them are thousand. You were chromium

38:01

like aging Fifty saw that. As

38:03

honest as a set up. three

38:06

hundred million, three Sussex and eighteen

38:08

fifty three to six yards and

38:10

I'm. Very. Comfortable. Yeah

38:13

it was say sickly a Police ah.

38:15

Songs. About and the West trying

38:18

to limit Russian expansionism have met with

38:20

is basically the Ottomans coming up to

38:22

the north. The Russians coming out

38:24

to the west, Britain and France having

38:26

colonial things that they didn't want to

38:29

lose. Trying. To keep Russia was

38:31

class possible and decided to go on the

38:33

side of the Ottomans and then attack the

38:35

Underbelly which is Crimea yen and also the

38:37

a lot of awesome as living in Crimea

38:40

at the time so it was a bit

38:42

of a powder keg anywhere. emphasis. On

38:45

concentrating famous is dotted overrides have access to the

38:47

Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem which I

38:49

think we talked about is another one where they

38:52

have the this disagreement over the latter edited for

38:54

yeah yeah and this was the same thing basically

38:56

the Ottoman Sultan gave the Catholic priest the key

38:58

to the church and eighteen. Fifty Two. I'm from

39:00

that point on, you know it was like well we have

39:02

to have a war over that and the basically things escalated

39:05

from. that's an insult. Me I've got the total. The light

39:07

brigade happening in the google does have a beer on the

39:09

floor with my to go having to organize a lot of

39:11

stuff. I mean not the same things. Came

39:13

from an isolated Florence Nightingale Mary see so saw

39:15

the Light Brigade. Three items of clothing

39:18

bullet lava up the. Cardigan

39:21

Organ. A Cardigan. Very have live open

39:23

live guys. gonna be of yours. You're

39:25

not going to get it film as

39:27

at the Sebastopol. Have considered it a

39:29

hacker. It's the Raglan sleeve shirt. Whatever.

39:31

Yeah, what's that? It's got a different

39:33

color of the torso. the different colors

39:35

of the Flintoff expect as a baseball

39:38

jersey. Yeah, yeah, but it was General

39:40

Fitzroy. some of that, the first Baron.

39:43

Was not wearing a baseball jersey but right right? Wouldn't

39:45

wish on a doctor and. He was with one who

39:47

was responsible for the tossed by brigade going for by

39:49

the wrong riot you sorry only half deaf and he

39:52

was not really with it and he said oh the

39:54

rush into things have guns over there can you can

39:56

stop? I'm taking where the guns and the order within

39:58

carried to someone else. The other

40:00

cardigan. Who. Cannot see the guns

40:02

because he was how much effort they have all

40:04

those guns and butter that incredibly well defended his

40:07

yacht and plays with the end of a long

40:09

narrow valley. Let me just a disaster place to

40:11

tie that he said. Okay,

40:13

Ah, this isn't gonna go well. But.

40:16

About fights I want any talent is here

40:18

is is areas where he go the last

40:20

of the britain else because he thought he

40:23

was writing straits had certain death yeah I'm

40:25

not of the people in in that times

40:27

when he added another thing that wasn't invented

40:29

but someone tried to invent for the Crimean

40:31

we're which was a entire city destroying cannon.

40:34

Which is a massive cannon ten meters winds

40:36

that notional is ten meters while know the

40:39

and it would wait five hundred and fifty

40:41

tons in. The idea is that once it

40:43

landed it would demolish and entire city and

40:45

was to be called the Sack. So cannon.

40:48

How are they going to transport? What did

40:50

you land? yeah what's of wacky races

40:52

The Acme road runner style logan and

40:54

then elevator was a solid inventive as

40:56

an adult thought it was the of

40:58

editor of the time A came up

41:00

with i this is destroying tan and

41:02

with see really wanted to build a

41:04

similar guy with the will then these

41:06

things and then just call it the

41:09

sex doesn't exactly so never didn't sit

41:11

and take off know they get past

41:13

the planning stage of the night that

41:15

similar to do take off very nice.

41:19

And. Something on the to enable gave

41:21

us his i think the a little

41:23

photography oh some of the a little

41:25

photography. very famous. Photo.

41:28

Of the Valley of The Shadow of Death by

41:30

Roger. Fenton and Eighteen Fifty Five I think

41:32

it's on the earliest sectors of or fat

41:34

lazy their teeth I says with a valid

41:36

Saturday. Yep, Ah and. They're. both of

41:38

it's extremely barren landscape very near where the

41:40

total epic it was and let gravel of

41:43

little valleys lights on each side one of

41:45

them have cannibals on the floor one of

41:47

them doesn't and the same as long as

41:50

the one with the cannon balls and it

41:52

says in i've certainly of war and the

41:54

emptiness of the landscape with these weapons thought

41:56

there's been so much debate over the last

41:59

hundred this year over whether he faked it

42:01

like where did the carnival come from? Oh well,

42:03

sax, I think, protocol. It was

42:06

marbles weren't there? And

42:11

we don't know because it might be that the second photo is from after

42:13

they've cleared it up. So then he's going to have

42:15

to take another one of it clean. Or he might

42:17

have deposited. Ooh tricky. It was because he took a

42:20

lot of photos right. He had a horse and carriage

42:22

with him which was like a portable

42:24

photo developing booth that he had with

42:26

him. He had lots of glass

42:28

slides that he had with him, multiple cameras. And

42:31

everyone's saying, oh he staged a lot of

42:33

photos. I think it's more than just the

42:35

cannonball one. And the problem is, of course

42:37

they were staged. Everything had to be staged.

42:40

Because you needed a long exposure time. The exposure

42:42

was like 30 seconds. It's actually why the Charter

42:44

of the Light Brigade was such a disastrous. Because

42:46

they had to wait for half a minute for

42:49

the photo, the team photo at the start. Someone

42:51

was blinking. Stop

42:58

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44:24

it is time for our final fact of the show

44:26

and that is Andy. My

44:29

fact is there is a comedian

44:31

in Madagascar which is effectively extinct

44:33

for several months every year. The

44:37

fact is incredible. It's insane. Yeah, it's really true.

44:39

I think it's not true. I think if you're

44:41

extinct, you come back three months later,

44:43

you're not extinct. Let's debate the case. And

44:47

first of all, thanks to Kate Wood who sent

44:49

this in in the email official. Oh, sorry Kate.

44:51

If I knew it was from you. Yeah,

44:53

I wouldn't have poo-pooed it. No, no,

44:55

no. This is the Lebords comedian and

44:58

it is crazy. Right, so November,

45:01

the comedian hatches out in

45:03

Madagascar in the forest. Then

45:06

they grow to sexual maturity very fast. In

45:08

about two months they are grown

45:11

up, ready to breed. They breed.

45:13

The females lay some eggs in the ground. Then

45:16

in March, they all die.

45:18

All the adults die. There are

45:20

then the entire species exists in

45:22

egg form basically for most of the

45:25

year. In November, eggs hatch out. On

45:27

they go. It's so weird. It's so weird.

45:29

They're not for most of the year. Yeah,

45:31

they're not extinct exactly, but for most of

45:33

the year they are, the species lives in.

45:35

Must be weird for the first person to

45:38

come out of the egg. Yeah, every year.

45:40

Yeah, they learn nothing from their elders. I

45:42

just think these are bizarre. These were discovered

45:44

in 2008. I think their life

45:46

cycle was first reported. I think since then they

45:48

have found that if you keep some in captivity

45:50

or maybe under very specific conditions, one might make

45:52

it through a year. But it's really, really rare.

45:54

So it's... What a year 2008 was. Over in

45:58

India you had someone being killed on TV. The with

46:00

mine power system not or not in

46:02

a right to chameleon being extinct or

46:04

not interrupt your versus getting of two

46:06

thousand and nine that his son wants

46:08

what was Anthony Trollope doing that a

46:11

fact that know as as as they're

46:13

amazing and I though but I think

46:15

it's cause they die to avoid the

46:17

dry season which is very harsh and

46:19

very very hot rod again they just

46:21

dead they'd be some species hibernate they

46:23

just decide to die and lots of

46:25

millions of madagascar having. They've. Got

46:27

about. The gun went off of. Nice thing. About

46:30

always authorisation amazon The Yanks told me

46:32

rise of estimates as the number of

46:34

comedians. Species given that it feels like of

46:36

Rifle Council number I read anywhere and Olson

46:38

let very reputable sources anywhere between one hundred

46:41

and thirty four and more than two hundred

46:43

and seventy. V there

46:45

was a different colors on they say

46:47

how the same and on it simpler.

46:49

This was agreement before everything from our

46:51

hundred and said right yeah, they didn't

46:53

change the color to massive background. I

46:55

actually didn't know that until reading it

46:57

for this podcast, right? They match their

46:59

emotions. As know it's i think not that amazing

47:01

an amazing i'm missing section and one of the

47:03

biggest ones with the bumped on cue I in

47:06

I sometimes we the been things that you think

47:08

at Camelot. That. Know we never

47:10

did not know anybody that I never knew.

47:12

That is an amazing thing if you were

47:14

watching the U S C E O's Chameleon

47:16

pistols right up to two competitors and to

47:18

the ring if you were. Best thing you

47:20

could probably bats in the last few seconds

47:22

if I was allowed on who's gonna win

47:25

to they changed color by some whether they

47:27

think they're going to win all the when

47:29

they pass each other in St A two

47:31

males were often change colors to sort of

47:33

be like kind of like if you're walking

47:35

poolside and took the Tommy and an oriental

47:37

give that kind of. Thing I am I

47:40

so yeah. So if they sounds when

47:42

they were studying, it's that I'm the

47:44

chameleon that was brighter and seems more

47:46

rapidly with the one who was going

47:48

to win. And. That they just found

47:50

that the on average was the way that allows

47:53

yeah or above average. What? He is the way.

47:55

If only we could tell them that than they never have

47:57

to fight or that they can always just got to match.

47:59

Oh okay, That how and yeah yeah exactly

48:01

why you are a chameleon in a boxing ring

48:03

or something. because you know blue our little dressing

48:05

gown that you into the ring. Yeah and as

48:08

soon as you take a dozen gun off he

48:10

looked down you. You are confident until he saw

48:12

how bright and stripy the other guy is. A

48:14

nicer discreetly say it was this is in Twenty

48:16

thirteen of the guy called Russell Ligon and Kevin

48:18

Mcgrew when they did Forty Five Encounters of A

48:21

Minute. That's what they discovered from I Kill Her.

48:23

They've got lazy enough me that

48:25

I didn't know about the say

48:27

that they're say it'll allow this

48:29

are they are described up looking

48:32

like salad tongs of yeah and

48:34

they do so at third to

48:36

pads opposite each other and insides.

48:38

They're. The only animals who

48:40

on birds who are zygote

48:43

ductless. Which basically means

48:45

that they have three fingers opposite to

48:47

thinkers in certain way and then not

48:49

the same kind with i go back

48:51

to this really. Is. Birds that are and

48:53

special thing on. Of as it's a grip

48:55

trees I don't know why more things that have

48:57

this so it looks like a sideways clue that

49:00

is clumps on to trees. Is very clever,

49:02

but I did. I did find out that

49:04

you can also get pampered sexily Anna so

49:06

that to the and skit so duck to

49:08

these as well. Which

49:10

are in primates get so that to

49:12

these grasp with their second and third

49:14

digits. In a set them one thing.

49:16

guess. Like doing scissors things rock I have

49:19

a exactly the hook for you up the

49:21

holds something like food including like a thumbs

49:23

up at the same time is holding on

49:25

to the. Tree. Icing on the

49:28

idea. And you can hold a canopy

49:30

between fingers or vice versa. thing. Though

49:33

they are the great on it's own is going to pack the

49:35

media. Figures. Under

49:37

him. So the under the

49:40

anecdotes think it and I sat down

49:42

and as and rummaging for more really

49:44

is rather old Roy a salary of

49:46

one thousand and eleven and that was

49:48

the other. Not a habit of Alaska

49:51

and. If you assessing on a

49:53

comedian tongue when it. Ate.

49:55

Something to support your he would

49:57

die. Won't go badly for now

49:59

now. We're just not be able to

50:01

eat anything because your way bigger than the

50:03

Chameleon have you seen on his tongue? It's

50:05

not to be to Nathan sorry, you're right,

50:07

he has it. wasn't your the size of

50:10

a bara or maybe even solar array of

50:12

about oh yeah, sort what, our community rather

50:14

than a comedian. Is tania cross it tongue?

50:16

because you're human size? Never liked. You

50:18

know something. bites you are by could have been

50:20

him and most of the review was can be

50:22

the tongue was sorry and wasn't It was the

50:24

acceleration of their tongues. I shouldn't make near the

50:26

you have you been shrunken like honey. I shrunk

50:28

with his illness. Big essential bit about store it

50:30

will gather you've planted this one. This is listed

50:32

as if it's still a close if he were

50:35

really really small. Yeah. And you're sitting

50:37

on a comedian tongue the and it

50:39

stuck it out. Then you would definitely

50:41

diet. The acceleration of their tongues are

50:43

amazing. There are see the highest acceleration

50:45

and power output like amount of power

50:47

generated that any movement. Of reptile bird

50:49

or memo. Wow yeah the power

50:52

up place. Fourteen thousand watts per

50:54

kilogram. And. Kind of. Right now

50:56

you're to spend. Dad always had a

50:58

gotcha who are the best cyclists in

51:00

the world. To my all different say

51:03

if they're going up her mountain they

51:05

can max out and about seven watts

51:07

per kilogram. And. These guys are

51:09

doing fourteen thousand one kilogram. As

51:11

a lover, I can't I always

51:13

can compete. That says amazing. Did.

51:15

Like I said, the g force

51:17

is. I think the maxims equals we can survive

51:19

as maybe nine or ten for a few second. Okay,

51:21

the pilot and the G both on their tongue would

51:24

be two hundred and sixty four. A lot. Of

51:27

at the your faces thing distorted by that.

51:29

That is so cool to grow. I did

51:31

for I'd read a bit about what was

51:33

inside the tank. The have this is good

51:35

in for lingual seats right? So the tongue

51:38

his bones running on record as which is

51:40

weird and itself. I guess they don't know

51:42

very big bugs but those are covered by

51:44

these. In for illegal seats are those are

51:46

covered by an accelerator muscle and Will Comedian

51:49

does is that we did spring loads. The

51:51

seats are packed them into each other like

51:53

a telescope. That's. Like there was a toy

51:55

that used to do that the east six it when you

51:57

were younger and it with telescope they can I can do

51:59

that wasn't. I'm not real. there may

52:01

laugh at another. That was just playing with a

52:03

comedian tongue when on. Young the you get

52:05

like those points is the teachers had

52:07

some they would go like that when

52:10

I go I go on both last

52:12

year for Christmas for myself a does

52:14

not non holiday hits home and the.they're

52:16

good and avoid them. What was the

52:18

Lyceum I met his point of self

52:20

yeah is walk down the street going

52:22

as a public eatery every. A

52:25

gives you a kind of authority that is extraordinary

52:27

with you know if you've never daddy is the

52:30

editor know this is a fit. If I'm in

52:32

the zebra walk and I want to put something.

52:34

On. They a conveyor belt with personalized make sure

52:36

your by that has got home. That's right

52:38

I set my good man believed this will

52:40

get another that's. Why

52:45

I'm so confused because all of this south

52:47

so plausible was an are than what we

52:49

the sort of playing what I like She

52:51

now a way that I know. I think

52:53

I think it was a couple years ago

52:55

but official or I remember the context in

52:57

which I have my just ended up with

52:59

the point at which I'd love to get

53:01

out occasionally are is right here. so comedian

53:04

saliva. This was another factor the most

53:06

actually. yeah, another is Kate would said the

53:08

original facts but rather Harding right Comedian Sliwa

53:10

is the opposite of tested. Is

53:14

disgusting on trickle thought about is

53:16

that cause it's non newtonian by

53:18

in a different way Bingo Yes.

53:20

So close that if you run

53:22

across custard as you apply forced

53:24

to it. It gets. Harder Very

53:27

good. Does. It is seconds

53:29

on impacts a comedian. Saliva is

53:31

thick in the mouth. But.

53:33

When the tongue strikes the insect

53:35

is trying to eat whatever. The

53:37

blob becomes very malleable for an

53:39

instant less clever and then hardens

53:41

right again rise a surprise that

53:43

glued to the tongue. And.

53:45

Then it gets pulled right back into that we

53:47

Live mouth. That's. Clever. Amazing. I found

53:50

a Chameleon. She was chameleon before comedians

53:52

were chameleon. Keeps

53:54

or hangman. or

53:56

a headache american this is not

53:58

help is that to be a philosopher

54:00

called Chameleon. Really? He was a disciple of Aristotle.

54:02

Was he the guy who came up with the

54:05

idea of karma? He, we

54:07

don't know anything about him.

54:09

He's just going

54:12

to go straight out on Earth. You're ill,

54:14

you don't know what you're saying. She's helping

54:18

you out here. Yeah, no, he

54:20

is a disciple. We know virtually nothing about him, I

54:23

guess with a lot of people then,

54:25

but he did write a lot of pieces that we

54:27

do know of his names attached to, like a piece

54:29

called On Drunkenness, a piece called On Pleasure,

54:31

but virtually nothing is known. So he lived,

54:34

he would have died in 281 BC and the word

54:36

Chameleon came about

54:40

in roughly the 14th century, mid

54:43

14th century. To

54:45

describe the lizard presumably. To describe the lizard and

54:47

what's interesting is Aristotle wrote about Chameleons but we

54:49

just didn't have the word and he wasn't writing

54:51

about his mate. So did he always have to

54:53

say, you know that thing that kind of changes colour,

54:56

looks a bit like a... Looks like my mate,

54:58

my disciple. Can

55:00

I give you some animals that were

55:02

thought to be extinct but then aren't?

55:04

Yeah. The Canterbury, Knobbed

55:06

Weevil. I might

55:10

just stop there actually. No,

55:12

more, more. The Cloaked Bee,

55:15

the Dinosaur Ant, the Terror

55:17

Skink, the Batman River Loach,

55:19

the Painted Frog and the

55:21

Machu Picchu Arboreal Chinchilla Rat,

55:24

which was found in a tree

55:26

near Machu Picchu when they unextincted

55:28

it. Wow. So these are

55:30

just all things, were there one big find

55:32

one day out where they're just all

55:34

hanging out in the same playing card

55:36

for a while? Some sort of like

55:38

support group for the extinct who aren't

55:40

extinct. There's also the Confusing Rocket Frog.

55:42

That's quite a great name. And they

55:44

found it in 2019 and it's called

55:46

Confusing because it looks a lot like

55:48

other frogs but it's the Confusing Rocket

55:50

Frog and the interesting thing about this

55:52

is it was thought to be extinct

55:54

in 1985. They found it in 2019

55:56

but luckily it was an They

56:00

were they were going about do loads of

56:02

mining and logging of my that and it

56:04

meant that they can do any of it

56:07

for aliens and idol fall guy little Frog

56:09

the painted for that one that is hated

56:11

fraga is to sounds like someone forcing chameleon

56:13

as among to. Her

56:16

an interesting. Never five assists

56:19

that was thought of going extinct sixty six

56:21

million years ago. And. Then it was

56:23

found in mind is as yet. Another

56:25

Coelacanth and the didn't know the story

56:27

of how it was rediscovered. The.

56:30

Other Military thirty eight is it

56:32

a with found. No. No, I

56:34

am. I remember. Just how my

56:36

normal fishermen is. How Africa and Co away

56:38

at this got by gave it to this

56:40

woman who ran the new them to thaw

56:42

out with. This. Is scheduled enlightenment. The

56:44

U S is amazing says he skipped

56:46

step and she sent it to Professor

56:48

Smith. Station. You will be able

56:50

to tell her what it was. Professor

56:52

Smith receives a sketch know straight away

56:54

this is a coelacanth as and Six

56:57

Six Million is. We thought it was

56:59

gone and and he goes and visits

57:01

it but it's kind of disintegrated by

57:03

that point. The company called them from

57:05

really that blogs about say where it

57:07

came from and he devoted the next

57:09

fourteen years to finding a second thought

57:11

that the know how he was desperate

57:13

and eventually as a guy on the

57:15

at one of the Comoros islands off

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Mozambique and nineteen Fifty two who found.

57:19

One and smith was. Managed.

57:21

To convince the South African government got a

57:24

military plane to fly him to off the

57:26

coast of Mozambique slots have a conversation with

57:28

the most on the authorities saying stay with

57:30

my military planes over your ass by doesn't

57:33

really sorry they were like why during that

57:35

they said woods. Go pick up a

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fuss! I remember reading that story and

57:39

I think the woman who found in

57:41

the first place and knew there was

57:43

something gotten. I think it was either

57:45

Smith or someone else said it was

57:47

evidence of women's intuition. The greatest evidence

57:50

we have a hard of women's into

57:52

a large drink, enough snow rain on

57:54

a I would just because she sends.

57:56

Just knew it was something going on

57:58

here while of privy to. The things

58:00

that one fish that some pretty cool we

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have to face we now know about women's

58:04

and us has that got. Another.

58:09

Not I'd love it if is vapor business actually

58:11

came out who was about where we the do

58:13

is to have of as ah. Okay,

58:21

that's it that it's all of our

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fact. Thank you so much for listening

58:25

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