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Welcome to Nobody Told Me. I'm

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Laura Owens. And I'm Jan Black.

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And it is such a joy

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to welcome our guest on this

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episode, best-selling author and renowned spiritual

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and thought leader Panash Desai. His

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latest book is called You Are

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Enough, revealing the soul to discover

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your power, potential, and possibility. Panash,

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thank you so much for joining

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us. Thank you for having

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me on. It's great to be with you both. Well, it's

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great to have you here. You say

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it is essential now more than ever

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that we look inside ourselves and embrace

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the truth that we are enough. And

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I'm wondering why is that often hard

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to do and why is it so

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essential? It's

0:53

essential because I've now had the pleasure of working with

0:55

people for over 20 years, obviously,

0:57

from all over the world and have had

1:00

the pleasure of meeting people from all walks of

1:02

life. And there's one commonality that we all share

1:04

that we all have to overcome. And it's the

1:07

feeling of not being enough. It's

1:09

the root cause of every addiction. It's the root cause

1:12

of why we're not experiencing the intimacy that we want

1:14

in our lives. It's the root cause of why we

1:16

can't hold down a relationship. It's

1:18

the root cause of why there's any dysfunction

1:20

in relationship. It's the root cause of why

1:22

we're not able to earn the money that we

1:25

deserve to earn and take care of our families. So

1:28

what I've discovered in all of my work

1:30

with people is this one singular commonality. And

1:33

so as it relates to this time,

1:35

it's more important than ever because we're

1:37

living in the age of radical personal

1:39

empowerment. And what we have to do

1:41

is look to ourselves to empower ourselves

1:44

to relate to ourselves from a deeper

1:46

perspective. So we have a body,

1:48

but we're not our bodies. We have a mind, but

1:50

we're not our mind. We have feelings, but we're not

1:52

our feelings. There's this story that we have,

1:54

but we're not the story. And then

1:56

we've created this kind of identity, this self

1:58

image. that we believe that we

2:01

need to belong in the world. And

2:03

the problem is that as much as we've perfected the

2:05

art of pretending and trying to

2:07

fit in and trying to belong, there's still no

2:09

fulfillment or a meaningful connection to be found. And

2:12

so the only last

2:15

remaining possibility or area of

2:17

exploration is within ourselves. And

2:20

what I've discovered in working with people, again, from all

2:22

over the world, is that that's where real belonging comes

2:24

from. That's where the love that we're looking for comes

2:26

from. That's where the abundance and

2:28

the health and vitality that we're craving comes from.

2:31

To know yourself is to know everyone. And

2:34

to know the depth of who you are

2:36

is to be able to create a depth

2:38

of relationship, not just with yourself, but

2:40

with the world at large. What

2:43

would you say to somebody who maybe

2:45

has low self-esteem, or maybe they have

2:47

done something in their past that they

2:49

really regret, and they just feel terrible

2:51

about themselves? And they say, you know

2:53

what? I could never accept myself. I

2:55

know what he's saying. That sounds great,

2:57

but that's just not me. Well,

3:00

that which we're unwilling to embrace about

3:02

ourselves just becomes the poison that we

3:05

have to live with on a daily

3:07

basis. And what I would have to

3:09

say to everybody is that everything

3:12

that I'm sharing was born of a personal

3:14

direct experience of the divine, whatever we want

3:16

to call it. And in that

3:18

experience, I just experienced this infinite ocean of energy

3:21

with no beginning and no end, just

3:23

this amazing love. And it's

3:25

beyond the word love. And I was shown very clearly that

3:27

this is who we all are. And

3:30

then actually, it didn't matter how we lived our lives.

3:32

It didn't matter what we had done. It didn't matter

3:34

what religion we were born into, our race, our nationality,

3:36

our gender, our choice, our sexual preference. But there were

3:38

no prerequisites to this love, that

3:40

this is who we essentially are. And

3:43

we've all gone through things in our lives that we

3:45

feel were

3:47

potential mistakes that we made or

3:50

perceived mistakes that we've made. But

3:52

we're at a point now where we have to

3:54

unburden ourselves. And we have to realize that we're

3:56

only as limited as we allow ourselves to be.

3:59

And so if we're a whole. onto facets of

4:01

guilt or shame or unworthiness, then what

4:03

we're doing is denying ourselves the opportunity

4:05

to truly live, to truly

4:07

be alive. And so to

4:10

somebody who's struggling in that way, I would

4:12

say to you that you're not broken, you

4:14

don't need healing, you don't need fixing, you

4:17

only ever just did the best that you could. And I

4:19

really mean that. Most

4:21

of us, sadly, are choosing from a

4:23

place of pain. We're creating

4:25

life from a place of fear. And

4:28

so naturally, when we choose from pain, when we

4:30

choose from fear, we attract situations

4:33

into our experience that aren't a

4:35

reflection of who we really are.

4:38

But you can't hold yourself hostage for the awareness

4:40

that you didn't have back then. So

4:42

it's all one and good looking back on and back

4:45

at yourself now from where you are now, having gone

4:47

through the evolution of growth and thinking

4:49

that in some way you could have done better. The

4:51

truth is that you couldn't have.

4:53

But there's an absolute perfection with which

4:55

life is unfolding. And that

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that wound, whatever that wound is to you,

5:00

becomes the window through which grace comes flooding

5:03

into your life. And it also becomes the

5:05

space in which you get to offer your

5:07

service and share the blessing that you

5:09

are with the world at large. So

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how should we go about looking inside

5:13

ourselves to find this true

5:16

nature? Well, at

5:18

the end of the book, I speak

5:20

of five commitments. The

5:22

first commitment is to commit into knowing our essential self.

5:26

We are so much more than we've

5:28

been told. Who we really

5:30

are is this luminous presence. We've

5:33

been conditioned and programmed to believe that we're a physical

5:35

body and we solely exist in a material manifest world.

5:38

And this is why we're struggling and suffering. The

5:41

very second we begin to realize that

5:43

we have this essential self, this authentic

5:45

part of us that's natural to who

5:47

we are, and we commit to

5:49

knowing it, the more we're able

5:51

to peel away all of the

5:53

layers that have been superimposed over it,

5:55

and we're able to once again reunite

5:57

with it. This then allows us

5:59

to to move on to the second one,

6:02

which is committing to a new past, present, future. You

6:04

know, we have this notion of time and

6:07

that we're living inside of this thing called time.

6:09

However, when we're fully present, we're not really

6:12

inside of time. We're just fully available for

6:14

what's happening in the moment. We realize that

6:16

all there really is is now. And

6:18

so how we unwind this

6:21

notion of the past is

6:23

by recognizing that memory

6:25

requires heightened emotion. So for example, we

6:27

don't remember an average day, we

6:30

remember the hardest day that we've ever had or the

6:32

happiest day we've ever had. And what

6:34

we need to focus on for the purposes

6:36

of committing to a new past, present, future

6:39

are the hardest days that we've ever had. The

6:41

days where we felt sad, the days that there

6:43

was some trauma, there was something that happened. And

6:45

it's simply cultivating the courage to

6:48

be willing to look at those parts of ourselves,

6:50

to embrace them, to gather them up. See,

6:53

what's been missing on the Western Transformation and

6:55

Popular model is this notion of integration. It's

6:58

been very reductionist. It's been about getting rid of

7:00

things. You have to get rid of your emotions.

7:04

You're not gonna get rid of anything. By virtue of the

7:06

fact that you're human, you're going to have all of these

7:08

things. And what you need to do is embrace them all,

7:11

bring them all into your heart. And then

7:13

you realize that there isn't a problem with any of these things. And

7:16

so that then leads on to

7:18

the third commitment, which is a

7:21

commitment to inner peace. All

7:23

of a sudden you realize that the only commodity

7:25

in life really is peace. We

7:28

can build companies that generate billions of dollars and

7:31

live this quote unquote dream life, but if we're not

7:33

a piece in ourselves, we're not able to enjoy moments

7:35

of it. And so source

7:37

your actions and your choices from

7:39

peace. Do that

7:41

which contributes to your peace, especially now with everything

7:43

that's happening in the world. And

7:46

then that leads to the fourth commitment, which is the

7:48

commitment to fulfillment. Where

7:50

we start from is where we'll finish. So

7:53

if we're embarking on a career, embarking

7:56

on a relationship from the space

7:58

of deficiency. or

8:00

lack or need, and no matter how

8:03

much we show up in that relationship and in that relationship

8:05

dynamic, we're never going to get the

8:07

love that we're looking for. We're never going to get what

8:09

it is that we want. So we have to start from

8:11

fulfillment. We have to start from, I already

8:14

am. I already am

8:16

love. I already am abundant. I already

8:18

am health. And then our life

8:21

begins to meet us

8:23

at that level of feeling, because the other thing

8:25

that we don't understand about life is that our

8:28

life is responding to how we feel about ourselves.

8:30

That's why when I wrote the book, it wasn't

8:32

just about providing people an awareness on the mental

8:34

level as to how they're not enough and to

8:36

how to overcome that, which is the biggest problem

8:38

that we have right now in the world. It

8:41

was about shifting at the level of feeling. When

8:43

you feel like you're enough, then all of a

8:46

sudden your reality responds in time, which

8:48

then leads you to the final commitment, which is

8:50

the commitment to unlimited possibilities. And that's my favorite

8:52

one, because when we're finally at

8:56

peace with ourselves and we've ended our opposition

8:58

to being who we are and we start

9:00

to work with who we are and embrace

9:02

our uniqueness, two things happen. We

9:05

become less reactive when we experience

9:07

heightened synchronicity, and

9:09

that heightened synchronicity is unlimited

9:11

possibilities. So through

9:13

adhering to these five commitments, we're

9:15

literally opening up to the truth of

9:17

who we are and living from that

9:20

expanded place instead of that limited contracted

9:22

place that's based in fear. I'd

9:25

love to talk a little bit about

9:27

your own journey because you wrote this

9:29

fantastic book, Discovering Your Soul Signature, and

9:31

that was your first book. And it

9:33

went on to become a bestselling book.

9:35

And Oprah had you on the show

9:37

and Oprah was a big believer in

9:39

everything. And you were this really well-known

9:42

spiritual leader. And then you went through

9:44

an experience that made you doubt the

9:46

identity that you'd crafted for yourself. Can

9:48

you tell us a little bit about

9:50

that? So

9:52

my Oprah appearance was in February of 2013. Soul

9:56

Signature, my first book came out in April of 2014.

10:01

And shortly thereafter, we discovered that we were pregnant

10:03

with our second set of twins. And

10:06

so we were just riding this wave of

10:08

just grace and blessings and just one amazing

10:11

thing after another. And

10:13

within the first five months of that

10:15

pregnancy, we had a phone call that

10:17

no parent ever wants to get. And

10:20

it was a phone call from one of

10:22

the doctors at the

10:24

hospital where the ultrasound was happening and basically just

10:26

said, Mr. Dusseil, we're sorry to inform you that

10:29

one of your twins has

10:31

an issue with the heart. And

10:34

you need to come up here for an emergency ultrasound so

10:37

we can figure out what we're dealing with.

10:39

And so Jan and I, my wife, immediately

10:41

got on the plane and flew

10:43

up to Milwaukee,

10:46

Wisconsin. And

10:48

we're there for this emergency ultrasound. We

10:51

were told immediately as soon

10:53

as the ultrasound had finished that one

10:58

of our babies, now Celeste, was

11:01

not going to make it. And

11:04

that even if she did make it, she would

11:06

probably not live for very long or

11:08

not enjoy any major quality of life. And

11:13

so we went from these amazing highs

11:15

to all of a sudden having our

11:18

reality as we had known it, fundamentally

11:20

shaken to its core. And

11:23

my wife was devastated. I

11:27

just felt such a sadness

11:30

on every level. And

11:32

we began this journey, this medical journey of

11:34

18 months. She

11:37

subsequently was born and within

11:39

hours of being born had her first open heart

11:42

procedure, was hospitalized

11:44

for 18 months and went through four

11:46

other open heart procedures. She

11:48

died for eight minutes during one of them flat lines for eight minutes

11:51

and came back just as I was going to put her on life support

11:54

and finally received a heart transplant. And

11:58

there was a moment in all of that where Your

12:00

eye on in our society. Com.

12:03

You know, ready to basically just.

12:06

You know, step into this role. That

12:09

that was is kind of global kind of. Role.

12:12

On some he says translation

12:14

hasn't abandoned. And I

12:16

was able to help everybody in the world

12:18

with anything I would be if is is

12:20

this your a personal issue. And

12:23

here I am absolutely powerless as it relates to

12:25

my own. And on

12:27

the height of this suffering. A

12:30

time when down to the chapel.

12:35

Tense moments where you setting medical

12:37

insurance of Monaco and she. And

12:40

I just folks my knees and I just said you

12:42

know why I asked i can't do this. Like

12:45

I can't do this anymore. No

12:47

or a this is too painful.

12:50

And. I'm I'm trying to keep southern. I'm trying

12:53

to it. He. Storm and you know

12:55

be available for everyone. but I'm dying. And

12:58

in that moment I just started

13:00

crying and sobbing and go to

13:03

skies. And this moment she

13:05

stealing the politicians. Such

13:07

a situation in in that moment. I

13:09

finally just said okay. I'm willing to

13:11

accept whatever it is that's in the

13:13

best interests. This child. You.

13:16

Know I would like a to be here. I

13:18

would like to let. I'd like to make it

13:21

through this. Would. He leave and the

13:23

she's not meant to. I'm willing to accept. And

13:26

the very moment my concern to the outcome

13:28

The Celestial me. And just

13:30

completely like go. With.

13:32

The very moment that. I. Finally was

13:34

able so peace and my aunt again. And

13:38

guess, eighteen month window initially and

13:40

now it's become a five year

13:42

window. Has. Been an intense

13:44

period of a fundamental revision of everything

13:46

right into the important everything. The Max

13:48

it everything that. Seemingly.

13:51

Ah was relevant. None of

13:53

it is. honestly. Fans.

13:55

Just. Being with my

13:58

family. are sharing doing in

14:00

the world in a very simple way. Just

14:03

making whatever difference I can and whatever way

14:05

I'm meant to is

14:07

enough for me. I

14:09

don't need to be

14:12

the next Deepak Chopra or take over from

14:14

Wayne Dyer or for so any

14:16

external metric or milestone as to what my impact

14:18

is on this planet. I've

14:21

been cured of all of that. I

14:25

am just happy and grateful every day. When

14:29

I'm sad, I just allow myself to be sad. When

14:31

I'm feeling frustrated, I

14:33

allow myself to feel my frustration. I'm

14:35

just in complete harmony with

14:38

whatever's happening. I

14:40

have to say that it's a wonderful way

14:42

of living. How is Celeste doing now?

14:45

She's doing great. She's the boss

14:48

baby of the house. She's five.

14:50

I mean, she runs my house.

14:52

She's a pistol. She's

14:54

great. She's happy. She's healthy. She went through

14:56

a bout of rejection, but

14:58

she's gone through that now. She's through the other side

15:00

of it. She's a

15:03

vivacious and very

15:06

energetic five-year-old.

15:08

Coming through the other side of this, we

15:11

are now close together. We've

15:14

worked out whatever we had to individually as

15:17

a family and as individuals, and we've grown as a

15:19

result of it. Through

15:21

this period of time, You

15:24

Are Enough, this next book, came

15:26

into form. It was

15:28

very much born as a result of the

15:31

journey that I'd gone through with Celeste and the

15:33

message that I felt I really had

15:35

to deliver into the world at this time. I

15:39

want to take one step back even further

15:42

because when you were younger,

15:44

you admit to valuing conformity

15:46

over authenticity. I'm wondering when that changed,

15:48

and this was before your first book.

15:52

I basically, like

15:55

all people, went

15:57

through life and you go through all kinds

15:59

of different in different phases of your

16:01

life and very quickly you discover that everyone's

16:03

pretending even though

16:05

everyone's a magnificent being that they're pretending to show

16:07

up as their limitations and you know

16:10

in this kind of service capacity instead of just being the

16:12

love to pay off and

16:15

because everyone else is doing it you start doing it and

16:17

of course that's the moment that you start suffering is the

16:20

moment that you feel like you're not enough and

16:22

subsequently went through my life trying to find

16:25

some sense of belonging outside of me and

16:27

I never did um

16:29

got to university got into university and went

16:32

to study philosophy and my grandfather who

16:36

in any moment that he had would always tell me how

16:38

fortunate I was and they came to the UK with

16:40

three pounds in his pocket and five kids in a

16:42

wife so that I could have the life that

16:44

I had to do what are you going to do with a philosophy degree

16:47

and um and so out of respect to

16:49

him I said well you know what I

16:52

uh you know I'll

16:54

take long business studies so I didn't

16:56

mind the little part because at least

16:58

it was um engaging I couldn't stand

17:00

the business studies part and uh basically

17:03

it was just in this life that was just not

17:05

me I was just living a lie like it was

17:07

going through the motions of behalf of everyone else and

17:10

the suffering was just getting louder and louder and louder um

17:12

at one point I got involved in music and was

17:14

very involved in the music scene in the UK and

17:18

um and I got into a place

17:20

where nothing resonated with me anymore I

17:22

was just living in absolute fabrication of

17:25

who I'd come here to be and I

17:27

sat down with my mother after a series of events and

17:29

just said to her mom I'm living a lie I just

17:31

need to go live like a month for six months because

17:33

for the first five years of my life my grandmother had

17:35

raised me in a meditation room and

17:38

I basically would just pray and

17:40

meditate and engage in devotional worship

17:42

every day and so I

17:44

wanted to get back to that feeling I knew I needed

17:46

to get back to that authentic core of who I was

17:49

and so that was the moment where I kind

17:51

of disengaged from the illusion

17:53

disengaged from the promise you

17:56

know disengaged from all of these things that we're told

17:58

that we need to be and that to

18:00

become to be loved and

18:02

went through a very deep period of meditation,

18:07

very cathartic period, moving beyond all of

18:09

the suffering that I'd accumulated throughout the

18:11

course of my life in that 21-year

18:13

window. And then proceeded

18:15

to once again be reunited with all of the gifts that

18:17

I'd had as a child. All

18:19

these things that were happening through me started happening

18:21

again. And that time

18:25

became the kind of catalyst that then

18:27

has propelled me on to now. I've

18:29

been able to reach many people and small

18:31

people in transform of their lives

18:33

and helping them find some semblance of peace

18:36

in the midst of everything that's going on

18:38

in their everyday lives.

18:40

I love the way you begin your new book, You

18:42

Are Enough. You say, you begin by saying,

18:44

it doesn't matter how your life

18:47

has unfolded up to this point. I

18:49

want you to remember this. Every

18:52

single morning you open your eyes

18:54

and win the mega million dollar

18:56

lottery of being alive. Do

18:58

you really think of that every morning when you wake up?

19:01

I wake up every morning like it's Christmas morning. You

19:04

can ask my wife, I'm like your kid, I'm

19:06

excited, and I'm happy. There's

19:08

some mornings where I wake up and I'm

19:10

sad and I'm going through something and then I'll get on

19:13

with being excited and being happy. But

19:15

the fact that I woke up is never lost on me. The

19:19

fact that I have the opportunity to have another day is

19:21

never lost on me. In

19:23

everything that I've gone through in my life, I took about it

19:26

in a book. When I was in London in the music scene,

19:28

it was a very violent

19:30

time. There was

19:32

a lot of violence around me,

19:34

thankfully, that I wasn't directly

19:37

involved in. I had to be involved a

19:39

couple of times and outline those in the

19:41

book. When death

19:43

pays you a visit, you

19:45

really value life. The

19:49

first time that death came to pay me a visit was in

19:51

London. Then the second time that death

19:53

came to pay me a visit was with Celeste. The

19:57

one thing that we've learnt from all of this is that we just don't waste

19:59

our time You know, there's

20:01

nothing that's left unsaid. There's

20:03

nothing that's left unexpressed. You

20:05

know, whatever needs to be shared is shared. I

20:09

think that by being visited by

20:11

death, we finally develop the courage to live.

20:14

And so I wholeheartedly stand by that. Yes, the

20:16

fact that we are alive, the fact that we're

20:18

waking up, the fact that we're being

20:20

given the gift of another day regardless of what happened the

20:22

day before, we've got this gift of

20:25

life and we can do with it

20:27

whatever we want. We can continue to perpetuate the past

20:29

and all the pain and the sorrow and the suffering,

20:32

which is all based on the fact that we're not enough. Or

20:35

we can finally remember that we are enough and

20:37

start to live that version of life. And

20:40

that's a much softer, gentler, no graceful

20:42

version of being human. I

20:45

know from talking to some of my friends that

20:47

a lot of them seem to have

20:50

a really negative attitude about just starting

20:52

each day with everything we're going through

20:54

right now because they just feel like

20:56

every day is the same. They stay

20:59

in their pajamas. They're working from home.

21:01

They can't go out. They feel so

21:03

limited and held back from their normal

21:05

routine. And I'm wondering how

21:07

they could really train their

21:10

minds to have a grateful attitude

21:12

like you in the morning and

21:14

how they can use this quarantine

21:16

time to really feel like

21:18

they're enough and heal themselves. Well,

21:21

I think this is an amazing opportunity to

21:23

just become honest. To just really become profoundly

21:26

honest about what we're living for and

21:28

what the purpose of our life is. You

21:30

know, many of the people that are home

21:33

right now don't enjoy their

21:35

jobs anyway. Also

21:37

they're now navigating the fact that they're in

21:39

relationship dynamics that aren't loving, right?

21:41

But aren't a reflection of what they want until

21:44

we're all being given an amazing opportunity to take

21:46

a look at how we're living and what we're

21:48

living for. And I

21:50

think what we're being asked to do is to choose

21:52

love and our wellbeing over everything

21:55

else. And so what's going

21:57

to happen is people are going to either make the most

21:59

of this time. by not blaming others,

22:02

by not pointing the finger at other people,

22:04

they're either going to take some sense of

22:06

personal responsibility and accountability for what's going on

22:08

in their own lives and using

22:10

this time to begin to get clear about the choices

22:13

and decisions that they have to make, or

22:15

they're going to miss the opportunity completely

22:17

and think that something's being imposed on

22:19

them and that they're just going to spend

22:22

all of their time being upset at how

22:24

everything's being managed externally, and

22:26

they're going to miss the greater opportunity. What

22:28

I can say too is that I've

22:30

been doing these global cold calm meditations every day.

22:32

We've got thousands of people live from all over

22:35

the world, tens of thousands are tuning

22:37

in via replay from all over the world. I

22:39

mean, if there was ever any evidence that we

22:41

needed, that people were ready to kind of wake

22:43

up and to begin to operate from

22:46

a place of being enough, then that's it right there.

22:49

People are literally finding

22:52

a place of calm and finding a place

22:54

of love inside of themselves and being able

22:56

to make choices and decisions from

22:58

that place of calm and from that place of love.

23:03

People get to pass

23:05

through this window of time

23:08

and make the most of it, or they get to

23:10

do it all over again. The next time

23:12

there's some kind of a crisis or some kind of an issue,

23:15

they'll just be right back where they started, and then they'll

23:17

be forced to make the choices that they didn't make now.

23:20

So this is a very powerful time, as

23:23

much as it's a sad time because of

23:25

the loss of human life and just

23:28

the sheer scale with which everything

23:30

is unfolding. Every

23:32

time I watch the news

23:34

and I see what's happening all over the world, I

23:37

remember I just hold in my heart all of

23:39

those people that have transitioned and I don't want

23:41

them to have transitioned in time. I

23:44

want to honor them by

23:47

making every effort that I have

23:49

available to me to be of service and

23:52

to fundamentally overhaul the way I'm living

23:55

and to continue to redefine and explore what I'm

23:57

living for. call

24:00

to call sessions that you're offering every

24:02

day. What are those all about and

24:04

how can people join in? So

24:07

when everything first happened, I

24:09

had an awareness that we would be where we are,

24:12

actually right now in January, because

24:14

I realized at that point that this

24:17

particular coronavirus was very contagious and

24:19

it wasn't going to be able

24:21

to be mitigated in

24:23

China that it would spread all over. And

24:26

so I was on a book tour, book

24:29

came in National Best Seller, and then

24:32

we received the signal that I was waiting for,

24:34

which was the World Health Organization declaring

24:37

this a global pandemic. And

24:39

in the moment that happened, I called Chris,

24:42

he's the CEO of my company, I said, Chris, listen, we

24:46

need to cancel everything through

24:48

May the 1st, initially,

24:52

and we need to be available for everyone

24:54

in the world right now who's going through

24:56

something. I'm responsible for millions of

24:58

people all over the world, I need to

25:00

be available to them. And I said, what

25:02

I would like to do please, is every

25:05

morning offer a call to calm. And the

25:07

reason why I advocated on behalf of that

25:09

is because the calmer we are, the

25:11

more neutral our nervous system is and the more

25:13

we can boost our immunity. I

25:16

also realized the power of that collective

25:18

calm. Right now there are so many

25:20

people that are in panic, that are in fear, everything

25:23

that's kind of in them

25:25

the level of survival is being activated. And

25:28

so the more we can get together and kind

25:30

of be this buffer in this place of calm

25:32

all over the world, the more

25:34

we're able to mitigate some of these survival

25:36

energies that are showing up right now. And

25:40

so that's the first thing that I instituted. And

25:42

so we just created a page

25:44

on the website, panashasai.com,

25:48

and it's all about support through this time of

25:50

crisis. And there are all of the ways

25:52

in which you can be supported now in what you're going through.

25:55

Those global caltrans are at 9am Eastern every day

25:59

and they will carry on. until everything

26:01

is finished in relationship to this coronavirus

26:05

and then probably be online as well. And

26:08

then there are

26:10

lots of other opportunities to connect and be supported as

26:12

well. And so in the event that

26:14

you can't get them live, there's a replay that goes up

26:16

at 1 11 pm through

26:18

all of my social media channels. So you

26:20

can go to the Facebook page and go

26:23

to Instagram and you can rewatch it there.

26:25

But they've been amazingly powerful and

26:27

incredibly beneficial to people all over,

26:29

especially now. Yeah, I

26:32

know I can imagine. I mean, they just

26:34

seem like wonderful opportunities that we can all

26:36

kind of start our day with and put

26:38

ourselves in a good space. And you know,

26:40

as you know, our show is called Nobody

26:42

Told Me. So at the end of each

26:44

program, we always ask our guests, what

26:46

is your Nobody Told Me lesson? And

26:48

you seem to just have an endless

26:50

amount that we can learn from. But

26:53

what is it that nobody told

26:55

you about becoming in harmony with

26:57

our true selves that you wish

27:00

they had long before you started

27:02

on your own journey as a spiritual leader?

27:05

Nobody told me that who I was was enough.

27:08

Wow. Wow. I

27:10

wish we could all get in touch

27:12

with that and keep it in mind

27:14

all the time, especially now. Yeah. Yeah.

27:17

Well, Penashwe, thank you so much for

27:19

joining us. Our thanks to Penash Desai.

27:21

Again, his latest book is called You

27:23

Are Enough Revealing the Soul to

27:26

Discover Your Power, Potential and

27:28

Possibility. And his website is

27:30

penashdesai.com. I'm Jan Black. And

27:32

I'm Laura Owen. You're listening

27:34

to Nobody Told Me. Thank

27:36

you so much for joining us.