In this episode, Emma talks about gender, Christianity and the fading patriarchy with Jo Clifford, a trans writer, performer, poet and teacher.

Jo is the author of about 80 plays, many of which have been translated into various languages and performed all over the world. You can read her blog at http://www.teatrodomundo.com and follow her on twitter @jocliffordplays

And you can keep up to date with Emma's movements through the None of Us is Yet a Robot project at www.notyetarobot.co.uk or @elbfrankland on twitter.

Music was by Kraftwerk and Señor Coconut y Su Conjuto

Some things that we mentioned in the conversation were:

A photograph of Jo looking demonic: http://www.theguardian.com/stage/2016/mar/02/jo-clifford-transgender-christ-overcoming-fear-every-one-bac-london

A blog by Sarah Savage about BBC3 ‘Miss Transgender - Britains New Beauty Queens’: http://sarah-savage.com/drunk-miss-transgender-uk-bbc-review/

Fucking Trans Women: http://fuckingtranswomen.tumblr.com

And the events mentioned were:

Every One: https://www.bac.org.uk/content/40499/whats_on/whats_on/shows/every_one

Traumfrau: http://www.traumfrau.co.uk

Women of the World Panel: http://wow.southbankcentre.co.uk/whats-on/trans-identities-1979

Hear ME Roar Feminist Festival: https://www.facebook.com/hearmeroarlancaster/?fref=ts

See you next time!

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