0:02

hey, it's peers book of the day. I'm

0:04

Andrew. Embark today. We've got two books for the

0:06

younger crowd. It a bit will

0:08

hear about a picture book that to

0:11

me as a younger sibling kind of

0:13

sounds like pro older. Sibling propaganda. But

0:15

in the interest of journalistic integrity,

0:17

I guess it's only right that

0:19

we hear out what these older

0:21

siblings have to say. But first,

0:23

something for kids a little older

0:25

who. May already be facing some

0:28

tough. Real World Problems. The book

0:30

is by John Shoe and it's

0:32

titled Louder Than Hunger. It's a

0:34

slightly fictionalized account of Shoes own

0:36

childhood dealing with anorexia nervosa. See,

0:39

there was a voice in his

0:41

head telling him he wasn't good

0:43

enough that he was unworthy. And

0:45

in this interview with Emperor Scott

0:47

Simon Shoe talks about framing that

0:49

voice than the book and turning

0:51

it from a capital V voice

0:53

to a lowercase V voice from

0:56

a proper noun to a common

0:58

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Take. Stacey. Thirteen years old and

2:09

the nineteen nineties. And here's a

2:11

voice inside of him. He.

2:13

Loves some Time and Streisand, Emily

2:15

Dickinson and Rollerblading. He has a

2:17

special bond with his grandmother. And.

2:20

They laugh, watch movies, listen to

2:22

Broadway shows, and have fun. Then.

2:26

Jake. Years That voice telling

2:28

him you don't deserve love

2:31

and warmth and kindness and

2:33

goodness. You don't deserve anything.

2:36

As John Chew, a children's librarian

2:38

and author of books for young

2:40

readers. His latest is Louder Than

2:43

Hunger. And. Jones you

2:45

join just now from book tour in

2:47

Nashville. Thank you so much for been

2:49

with his! Oh thank you so much

2:52

for chatting with me today about Louder

2:54

Than Hunger which is the story of

2:56

my heart. Will you know this voice

2:58

in your own life? Don't you? Yeah!

3:01

So Jake Stacey is the main character

3:03

of Louder Than Hunger. His full name

3:05

is Jake Edward Stacey and my full

3:07

legal name is John Edwards Schumacher and

3:10

Ser Jag Kan. I have the same

3:12

initials but I decided to six analyze

3:14

my story. My journey with

3:16

anorexia, nervosa, obsessive compulsive disorder,

3:19

depression and anxiety will tell

3:21

us about that voice. Would

3:23

you heard would take years.

3:26

So the voice started and

3:28

desist grade and it wasn't

3:30

a very loud voice but

3:33

as I made my way

3:35

through middle school and experience

3:37

various bullying and criticisms the

3:40

voice speaking louder and eventually

3:42

the voice became so loud.

3:45

That it in many ways

3:47

dictated my life by calling

3:49

me repulsive and unworthy. And

3:51

in order to gain some

3:54

control I started to do

3:56

things to try to make

3:58

myself become smaller. Make.

4:00

Myself, invisible and not eating

4:02

takes a toll doesn't it?

4:04

Yeah because you are. We

4:07

see without food a decision

4:09

making is challenging and school

4:11

is challenging. Relationships are challenging

4:13

and when there's a voice

4:15

manipulating you you don't really

4:17

know what your places in

4:20

this world somewhat his head

4:22

force well I I realize

4:24

hurts that the voice actually

4:26

me my own inner sabha

4:28

tour and it takes. A

4:30

lot of therapy and a lot

4:32

of reflection to realize that I

4:34

am in control of that voice

4:36

and I've gleaned strategies and order

4:38

to always keep it as I

4:41

refer to with middle school kids

4:43

a lower V Because in the

4:45

book, when Jake for a lot

4:47

of the book is referring to

4:49

the voice in his head it

4:51

looks like a proper noun. but

4:53

as he starts to do the

4:55

work and as he starts to

4:57

want to go on the path

4:59

toward recovery. He's able to

5:01

change that from an uppercase V to

5:03

a lowercase Be some. Ask you a

5:06

bit about Jake. He volunteers at a

5:08

nursing home. What? what does he find

5:10

their that to? He finds no other.

5:14

No other spotlight at that moment.

5:16

Yes to that was based son

5:18

and my Aunt as Truth. Not

5:20

one hundred percent of the book

5:23

is truth, but I went to

5:25

a very small school from nine

5:27

am until noon and then you

5:29

are expected to volunteer in the

5:31

afternoon. and I started volunteering at

5:33

a local nursing home and I

5:35

loved being there because I felt

5:37

except it among the residence and

5:40

the residents were always very motherly

5:42

and compassionate to me. And

5:44

it was actually a resident who was

5:46

legally blind that I would read to

5:48

every afternoon and I cannot remember her

5:51

name but in the book. I call

5:53

her Miss Burns and one day Miss

5:55

Burns's holding my hand and I was

5:58

Readings are her and she could tell

6:00

there was something wrong with me and

6:02

she went to the Director of the

6:05

nursing home and had her call my

6:07

mom and my mom was going through

6:09

some difficult things at the time and

6:12

yeah that was a wake up call

6:14

for my mom and because of that's

6:16

very kind and compassionate residents. I found

6:18

myself at least in Obs Hospital in

6:21

Naperville, Illinois. Wow! Swells takes Mother takes

6:23

him to a place called Whispering Pines

6:25

Yes, didn't take a lot of trouble

6:28

to change the names that. To

6:30

Gainesville to like is your eyes. What

6:32

I've heard telling people is that I

6:34

wanted it to sound kind of like

6:37

Linda jokes. you know, like trees And

6:39

then that Jake in the book loves

6:41

the Golden Girls and I love the

6:43

Golden Girls And it reminded me of

6:45

Shady Pines were Dorsey is always saying

6:48

I'm going to send you to Shady

6:50

Pines Mother said so. That kind of

6:52

brought some humor to my writing experiences

6:54

of the Rob Poetry. And

6:57

how are you doing today? I. Am

6:59

doing very very well. We did

7:01

make a difference for you John

7:03

Yeah I think is what made

7:06

a difference was this moments in

7:08

a real bookstore in Chicago called

7:10

Unabridged Bucks. Her and a what

7:12

are my favorite seems to write

7:14

and Louder than Hunger actually takes

7:16

place in that book shop. I

7:18

was at Linda Dogs Hospital and

7:20

then I transferred to Rush or

7:23

in Chicago used to be Rushed

7:25

Presbyterian Church lived yes the rest

7:27

for material they would encourage. A

7:29

lot of a day trips out with

7:31

my family and there was this one

7:33

where we we went to unabridged books

7:35

and we wandered and roamed around Lakes

7:38

you in Lincoln Park and remember thinking

7:40

i feel so alive here and I

7:42

feel at peace here and I feel

7:44

at home here and I want to

7:46

live here one day and I remember

7:48

thinking but if you don't start doing

7:51

what your therapist is telling you to

7:53

do and you don't start doing all

7:55

the things that you really know you

7:57

need to do to get better. Your

7:59

next are going to be able to

8:01

live here and so on a bridge.

8:04

Books in my story was a turning

8:06

point. There. Are

8:08

families listening? To.

8:10

This interview today. As

8:12

the drop off youngsters and pick

8:14

them up and run errands. But.

8:17

Contend with their own voices of

8:19

self destruction. What?

8:22

Would you like to tells I

8:24

would like to tell them say

8:26

to get a notebook and to

8:29

write down your thoughts and to

8:31

record your ceilings and I would

8:33

tell them something that the great

8:35

to time Newbury Medalist Tasty Camillo

8:37

always reminds me to do when

8:39

I'm writing and when I'm working

8:41

through something which is that we

8:43

have to open up the suitcase

8:45

of our hearts and I think

8:47

when we open up the suitcase

8:50

of our heart and we're honest

8:52

with. Ourselves and we're honest

8:54

with others, Lice as one

8:56

of the characters and Louder

8:58

than Hunger says is easier,

9:01

better and more fun. John

9:03

to his new book. Louder.

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Than hunger. Thank. You so much for

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9:56

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10:00

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10:05

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The most out of rejection. Or

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10:13

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10:16

What is smaller than you. Allegedly according

10:18

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10:22

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10:24

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10:26

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10:28

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are seen, you are heard, and younger

10:32

siblings take no offense. You know you

10:34

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10:37

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10:39

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10:41

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10:43

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10:45

are hot I'm ali Join us now! Welcome all

10:48

things considered. Often they give have

10:50

enough thank you for having us. I have

10:52

to guess at least one of you is

10:54

an older siblings. What's the sibling situation for

10:56

both of you? Saw I

10:58

am an older sibling. I have four

11:00

younger siblings. I'm yeah I

11:02

with happens also an older siblings. I

11:05

on sibling and I have a younger sister

11:07

says exactly the bus. And.

11:09

I'm an older sibling as well, and

11:11

I currently live with an older sibling

11:14

struggling with the existence of a younger

11:16

sibling. South Of is located close to

11:18

half. The. Story told in

11:20

this book I think is really engaging,

11:22

really draws you in and on a

11:24

certain up and I think I'd love

11:26

to just hear both of you. Read.

11:29

Part of and for us. If you don't

11:31

mind, I'm wondering. I'm. Omar.

11:33

Can you play the older sibling and hot

11:35

him? Can you play the younger sibling? It?

11:38

Can you read assists like the first maybe

11:40

three pages of the story. Horrible for that

11:42

withstood sit or it. So here we have

11:44

the book that almost rhymed. The.

11:47

Other day I wrote this book. You won't

11:49

believe how long it took. It. Rhymed

11:51

and I was super proud. It sounded great

11:53

when read out loud. But. Then

11:55

my sister came along and now the

11:58

story sounds all wrong. That. There.

12:02

As I was saying, my sister

12:04

took of cram in hand and

12:06

did something I cannot stand. She

12:08

ruined every rhyming verse. So now

12:10

my story sounds much. More

12:13

Magnificent. Has

12:15

I was saying. I wrote

12:17

a smooth and seamless story about a brave

12:19

nights quest for glory. He. Yearned for

12:22

treasure all his own, and so

12:24

he journeyed all along alongside a

12:26

fearsome friendly detectors. Oh

12:28

my, how did you first pick up the story? How much

12:30

of it is? Ah, Lived experience of

12:32

being an older sibling. Yeah.

12:35

I think the the oldest sibling,

12:37

Bart was actually I think maybe

12:39

subconscious. The story came about when

12:41

I was actually trying to write

12:43

a completely different story I was

12:45

putting. A different manuscript or publishers

12:47

and I was getting a lot of feedback

12:49

that my other manuscript rhyme too much and

12:51

my it's and came back to me and

12:54

he was like me do we can try

12:56

to write the story without rhyming and I

12:58

really struggled to write with our i'm i'm

13:00

the closest I could get was. Nothing.

13:03

That almost rhymed and so the most I

13:05

tried to write a new story I really

13:07

couldn't get there. but what came out of

13:09

that was the book that almost right or

13:11

that I was really I yeah those are

13:13

really round about with a way to muddy.

13:16

And. Had em. Can you tell me about

13:18

the work slow here of how did you

13:21

start to think about how the story would

13:23

be illustrated in visualize? Yeah was it was

13:25

interesting to read it. and then I was

13:27

an older sibling the guy told you. but

13:29

I think. I'm kind of

13:32

in between. The characters have two

13:34

siblings. They I used to play

13:37

with my sister like we assume

13:39

mute movies and make up like

13:41

our own. Dialogue.

13:43

Or something like that and I'm used

13:46

to v like the one with of

13:48

going off the chart like I'm just

13:50

going off script it on those as

13:52

like getting of have so I was

13:54

having embodying both got are older brother

13:57

and the since i am the imagine

13:59

if part. The and made a

14:01

threesome and of. I

14:03

kind of struggle to know how I'm

14:05

gonna make. It's like moral you, reality

14:08

and imagination together. Like

14:10

they're gonna just going to another world all

14:12

the time and had him. I love the

14:14

illustrations throughout the book by it but early

14:16

on he see this moment where the older

14:19

sibling. Has. All of these pieces of

14:21

paper that clearly the story was was sought

14:23

out in this is my I individual idea

14:25

and then they're scattered to the wind and

14:27

he was startled as a little sister. just

14:30

like. First. Sin Yelling Center.

14:32

I got my own rhymes.

14:35

Yeah and the I wanted

14:37

it to the from a

14:39

structured like boy that wants

14:42

to do something very orderly.

14:45

And total tail all of a sudden like

14:47

as the a gradual. So that's why I

14:49

made like this burst of like paper's going

14:51

over all over the the space and Omar

14:53

A. What I like about the story is

14:56

in in it's pages a ton of travels.

14:58

The journey that I think a lot of

15:00

people go with their younger siblings especially of

15:02

you are so annoying. but wait a second.

15:04

Maybe you're annoying because you want to be

15:06

with me and you want to be part

15:09

of what I'm doing. And wait a second.

15:11

Actually, I like you. You add a lot to the

15:13

mix. Yeah, yeah,

15:16

it's I think you know as you

15:18

get older, your your relationship with your

15:20

sibling changes of course and you start

15:23

to appreciate. That. Nobody really

15:25

understands you like your siblings will.

15:28

Be the so when you're young, you grow

15:30

up and everything annoys you and I think

15:32

because you're so similar. but then as you

15:34

get older and atlanta i don't know find

15:37

like companionship in the world. It becomes harder

15:39

as you get older. but. I

15:41

think you rediscover those those connections to

15:43

your siblings. So. Yeah, now that

15:45

you know we're older, me and my siblings, it's

15:47

It's a good way for us to bond like

15:49

over the story but I look at how. My.

15:52

Now my son interacts with like his cousins for

15:54

example and I'm like oh wow this is. This

15:57

is how we used to be in our sights. It's interesting

15:59

to see. how does. Paid overtime.

16:01

Have. Either of you did either of you

16:03

share the spoke with your siblings in

16:05

what was their response. I then must

16:07

say my sister efforts of like so

16:09

is this about systems and Butthead they

16:11

loved it has it is they they

16:13

really loved it. I'm for us it

16:15

was just like that. the magic of

16:17

the illustrations I think I'm. Was. What

16:20

really brought it to live because we we have

16:22

you know they they had experience like the manuscript

16:24

with me. I shared a with all of them

16:26

as I was creating the story so to see

16:28

what happened in with it afterwards was something we

16:30

all bonded over. At Omar Abbott and

16:32

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16:34

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16:36

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16:38

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16:41

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