Dave Canfield, a former member of Jesus People USA, shares his journey from being a holiday Catholic to joining the Christian counterculture community. He discusses the vibrant music scene, the impact of Christian rock and roll, and his involvement in promoting concerts and working backstage. Dave also talks about his experience with Mike Warnke, a Christian comedian and author who claimed to be a former Satanist high priest, and the role he played in helping expose Warnke's fraudulent ministry.  Other topics include the influence of books and movies, such as Hal Lindsey's "The Late Great Planet Earth" and the Pirkle-Ormond films, in promoting fear and trauma within the Christian community. Dave talks about the idea that faith is rooted in ambiguity and the importance of not rejecting faith based on negative experiences. Finally, the conversation touches on the need for relationships, connections, and empathy in faith communities.