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the bit that filming this series

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for me

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the get to that we have an episode to jump

1:05

into a whole exercise

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the party it's all about the party

1:13

is all about the given a baby they

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do have a

1:15

a royalist party they

1:18

have fly a royalist allotted time in jail

1:20

i think that there's a fine line

1:22

between like having a party which has unions

1:25

up on

1:25

the people dressed up the queen

1:27

the just like having a full out royal

1:29

like fast

1:30

i kind of other now side with this like

1:32

it's not something that cool people in the early twenties

1:34

be day

1:36

if a you

1:36

the judge them for having age of a party

1:38

i mean i think it was tempered by the fact

1:40

that someone turned out that was dressed as clean the

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band

1:43

miss congeniality congeniality

1:46

the

1:47

tomorrow would miss camp

1:49

that was really will doubtless really

1:50

and i feel like it's a real hat have

1:53

a party what everyone's like oh there's only

1:55

two things like a dress up as ads of i was

1:57

i know you can be hot me

1:59

hot weather

1:59

that said i was always an option

2:02

the with not since the any hasim by accessible

2:04

thought

2:05

also a twenty four you just looking for an excuse to

2:07

throw a party and this is such a beautiful excuse

2:09

to just get drunk with your friends or house right

2:11

yeah i thought it it's interesting how

2:15

that might help whole the party was how cool

2:17

the party was pissed because receive who

2:19

without realized is not

2:21

where does that heads

2:24

rashid a

2:25

the really like the he's gonna be like a re

2:28

but it's a to be like and ninety's ray we're going to be taken

2:30

like tells the lights up at around

2:32

scratching each other but rather that are

2:35

really the best applies best applies

2:38

i just being silly with your friends with the sofa

2:42

absolutely also a happening in

2:44

your house the it not in a warehouse where

2:46

it's cold and there's no toilet but in your house

2:48

or you can literally just crawl to your own been

2:50

falsely by everyone must favorite topic

2:52

today for his house by

2:54

i think going to the club

2:55

is so overrated you throw

2:57

a mean house party as well and your basement

3:00

is a nightclub it's like a wheeler room you have

3:02

a boy on managing your boiler a

3:04

my truthfully as i sunless if anyone

3:06

is listening from by

3:08

i don't really care about being employed i know

3:10

this is it it's going to twelve

3:12

called emmett bikes as it was over

3:14

the place by some the past i

3:16

just think like i think it was really nice any them the

3:18

lot of effort which happens a lot when oh

3:21

god live together as that sort of excitement of light let's

3:23

get let's decorate together let's have like a

3:25

chicken before like it's said suffocated

3:27

that to say that's okay said and this

3:30

is actually the first time that so the penetrates

3:32

that so of safe

3:33

haven they created for themselves in the

3:35

form of strangers from the street that baggy

3:37

brazen so very literal sort

3:40

of penetration of a bubble very very less

3:42

well the bubbles burst a lot of the god it's

3:44

entirely matisse low class

3:48

they can read industry was

3:50

am i

3:51

how are you guys moses

3:53

that rehan i when i noticed

3:56

was a holes and on fun and i'm

3:58

like sorry i want to live for

3:59

the die

4:01

david hour episode israel

4:03

fall from grace for maggie

4:06

though she lets stranger

4:08

than to the house should have mdm a whether landlord

4:11

and then the

4:12

carry on top of that all

4:13

the takes a cab to liverpool

4:16

liverpool honestly

4:18

if i'm completely couple ounces when i was watching it i

4:20

almost started crying when she took that taxi

4:22

because i so viscerally

4:25

remember that desperation

4:27

this willingness to completely debase

4:29

yourself in order to have a good

4:31

story or impress a boy or

4:33

to clench on to that party

4:35

ceiling

4:36

it was about was i think one of

4:38

the most relays will think that magazine not paid

4:40

for a taxi to liverpool because

4:43

how much about post

4:45

i didn't like that would be so

4:46

much money there was no way that i would allow myself

4:49

in my early twenties to get a taxi full stop

4:51

even if it meant no having set cruel

4:53

three finsbury park as it i have been

4:56

like

4:57

that dislike okay

4:59

look i feel that will come that will do this will

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like cross it's gonna take you up but will do to be

5:03

there and then that sort of silly

5:06

five am arrival

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like a light saudi omaha

5:10

so it's like blot see say said you're just

5:12

like is there more so

5:15

many nights the likely gonna

5:17

keep chase it at oh

5:19

god it's at even now talk about it's

5:21

making me feel emotional does that no that no no

5:23

no one minute more just a little more well

5:25

as it is that said like a party that

5:27

like when you get home it's and an

5:30

the height of do feel like you have what

5:32

i think it's like you've what are your body your buds

5:35

the much either have to deal with the could

5:36

this this of that

5:37

like if you're sort of obliterated

5:40

you don't have to deal with

5:42

really be a bit of gag have a what you feel

5:44

about things because your body will just check out

5:46

via feeder you've had like a full

5:48

time

5:49

why would you for eg like a bar and now

5:51

we're watching as graces

5:53

possibly yeah

5:55

this is sort of creeping sunday scary

5:57

is that makes you just question everything

5:59

that you can ever

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really get warm light you'll big like held by your housemate

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but you

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the oldest cold dead

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emptiness inside

6:07

you're never heal assured no matter how

6:09

how much your friends sure yeah yeah i remember

6:11

one of the most monstrous com doubt that ever had

6:14

i was

6:16

i got on i got on the grass

6:18

of a park in north london i looked

6:20

up into the sky

6:22

the very first and very last

6:24

time i truly understood the

6:26

some yellow buckle like

6:30

it was all yellow

6:37

rebel take a

6:38

dot for

6:41

listeners sophie has to have been punched

6:43

out of the studio system

6:45

the thing that i think now says

6:48

teabaggers late or you're chasing the come down

6:50

i don't think that my keys chase that like trying

6:52

to get away from feeling bad i think it's

6:54

like some standing still slightly says

6:56

that she scared like terrified of being sleep

7:00

but i don't think it's that i think it's just the axle of

7:03

the flesh and because as you keep things in motion

7:05

says he sort of a mistress of our destiny she's juggling

7:08

will be place he's making things happens he's pissing things

7:10

is that

7:10

the drugs that if he starts

7:13

that she's just as woman

7:14

that made a big the happening seven that feel quite overwhelming

7:18

you're so right i think

7:20

that feel

7:20

of completely destruction yourself at every

7:22

given moment and now being able to sit still is

7:24

something now we ten years later are

7:27

so used to being the default like i

7:29

will find myself like

7:31

in a panic if i don't have headphones and and

7:33

public to know what i mean yeah

7:36

the idea of pooping without your phone

7:38

can you imagine

7:39

the

7:41

there now home

7:44

i'm trying to think about somebody thing or that i mean it

7:46

happening with all the girls

7:48

maybe to maybe to

7:49

the degrees and i think my is the one

7:51

that most wants to be

7:52

the centerville

7:54

and the thing the we've

7:56

cast throughout the series of

7:58

maggie being a type of

7:59

then who wants to do things for

8:02

the store

8:02

it and to be seen doing these things

8:04

as opposed to actually experiencing

8:06

these things right am i think this

8:09

scene is that disparity

8:11

is at it's finest right

8:13

the

8:13

the idea of the story of like oh my god one time

8:16

i did a cabin i went all way deliverable were

8:18

barred a way to and then the reality of

8:20

it actually being one of the most depressing seem to be

8:22

entire share of that know honey

8:24

of my account with us mint has to bail the out

8:26

those are being kind of leaves

8:28

me

8:28

birdie

8:32

on the high hello

8:34

just letting her i'm going to get you a bus

8:37

you have love because

8:39

it's longer see can think about what you've done

8:42

lately wilde also i've been very

8:44

team nathan for most of the series mostly

8:46

because he has such a chiseled jaw but the

8:49

them in it had really

8:51

left towel i was like this is

8:53

the bike on the forgivable

8:55

offenses that he's committing to sort of like

8:58

stopping the did apply a and publicly

9:00

desist letter your best friend edu a house speaking

9:02

for you and your house that's

9:04

a toxic toxic sit right that's

9:06

what happened to me i'm with the sounded etc

9:09

there are the still waiting to hear back

9:11

for it's not just about the not out

9:13

as it it's also because you love

9:16

drama

9:19

look i'm i'm i'm a pretty reasonable guy

9:22

and i don't like getting involved in other

9:24

people's business but belinda was really

9:26

really worried about you

9:28

the upper birdie replays the shield

9:30

of maggie with the shield of nathan

9:33

yeah

9:33

yeah

9:35

it's like nathan's have protests and nathan cc

9:37

let's see for advice nathan his you twice as millay

9:39

and it does feel i think the like

9:42

viciousness and i really impressive the right thing and how

9:44

they held the spot with has the power of that belinda

9:47

the renaming a thirty or the

9:49

like a dead naming of oh

9:52

yes that was shivers

9:55

is it just and i think

9:57

that nathan new it to that this is what i call

9:59

her

9:59

the linda

10:01

because we have called her body before

10:03

but she isn't even the person she's not

10:05

the person that maggie thinks

10:07

he is can you please talk

10:10

at length about the salmon plan

10:12

oh

10:14

i mean

10:16

john lewis santa clara does not a sadly

10:19

early may not is that

10:21

was that was that blonde plaza ha

10:23

plaza ha ha what the budget for that plaza

10:25

was hotter it's ominous standard

10:27

about and bro

10:30

plan plaza i

10:32

mean i think it is kind of

10:34

whether it's for budget reasons

10:36

artistic reasons that white

10:38

salmon plaza is kind

10:40

of quite sweet i know that you haven't always

10:42

that would bertie but

10:46

i think the fact that she wants

10:48

things to be special just like

10:50

it away magic

10:51

does or amara does

10:52

oh now that the habit so of magic she

10:55

just locating it in her future south

10:57

had that is something south has settled south

10:59

of the story of her life she wants to be

11:01

a

11:01

the tell a story to it is the story that she tells

11:04

teeth her grandchildren that lot of the most as he

11:06

care about

11:06

the is a bit in this episode i really

11:09

don't like that i it's it's the it's the

11:11

matron friend it's sort of like

11:13

well fine i'll stay for this party

11:15

and it's like will no one wants it is not like this

11:18

that's not how i want yeah i either

11:20

have fun or leave for this like middle

11:22

ground is not serving any one and i hate

11:24

that the like guys see data i think it's because

11:26

she feels like slightly more in

11:29

control them

11:30

because i don't think that even before getting a boyfriend

11:32

or without a boyfriend buddy would feel completely at

11:34

home and a social situation when it wasn't

11:36

just the four of them

11:38

and so it all these people knocking

11:40

over stuff and have and lack of the say says say

11:42

big pool she's probably dislike

11:44

emmys this that we the i can months he whistles happy

11:46

to see me

11:48

the pie situation

11:49

i feel like maggie and a bar and even bells

11:52

or forget about thirty a bit because she says so have

11:54

given part of proceedings isn't

11:56

that she's ever going to be the center of it's had said as a party

11:58

because they're always gonna be

11:59

the out for boys or fargo new

12:02

conversation

12:03

had in a relationship is where but he gets too

12:05

shy

12:06

sophie i am not kidding

12:08

you keep blowing my mind over and over

12:10

again because i say the thing is

12:13

it's like

12:13

we're at word which we talk about

12:15

bertie playing second fiddle in both

12:17

her relationship with maggie and her relationship

12:20

with nathan is nathan of them are

12:22

getting my brain refuses

12:24

to remember and so we

12:27

she kind of like the victim in

12:29

quote unquote victim and both because she

12:32

sees the supporting character

12:33

and yet you're so right in that she

12:37

kind of like depended on that as well like

12:40

she's she's drawn to the one

12:42

where she gets to get more attacks

12:44

and even if that attention is of

12:46

like a condescending nature here

12:48

because those the sewers

12:51

they both do well that mainly

12:53

like it love bob her like that scene

12:55

where i've never so ice

12:58

i really liked that this is about this like powerful

13:01

chaos fake a tonic friendship

13:03

ad for the idea of says would body bag or in bed

13:05

together i've never felt like

13:06

with anything sexual that he did that had to rub advocates

13:08

is this and ted's buds but

13:11

that flashback seed were baggy

13:13

pretends to be buddies dad of they have

13:15

a td that is has allowed a dislike

13:17

that's what are the most tender a bad things

13:20

that i've ever see like it so special

13:22

the body it's a particular it's about it so

13:24

it's head sleep or a bad sec

13:27

that

13:28

yeah and then in the first episode when maggie

13:30

like what's it like the

13:31

the most beautiful girl in the war

13:32

like they do

13:34

even though both maggie and nice and

13:36

the dominant ones they do love bomb

13:38

her and birdie is dependent on that love

13:41

yeah everybody wants to feel special

13:43

buddy what's the feel special she just doesn't often get

13:45

to let's talk about

13:48

what about faves now and

13:50

what of are not so saves her boss simon

13:53

so now invites simon

13:54

the party

13:55

knowing full well that simon as married

13:57

the whole life

13:59

look

14:00

i just like know so much that i'm willing

14:02

to forgive anything she does now

14:04

has the married boss in her bedroom

14:07

the party

14:09

yes and they are so

14:12

com

14:12

probably at the bottom of plausible

14:14

deniability

14:15

i

14:17

think we were in allowing you to the to become

14:21

they were met the enough

14:29

obama of the

14:31

, by look whether you can

14:33

keep loving older different versions of each other

14:40

you deserve to be with someone who

14:43

can love the woman you are now they've

14:46

tightened interactions when you know

14:48

something is going to happen

14:49

so for at least i have in the past

14:52

the interactions where it's almost

14:54

definitely not okay but nothing happens

14:57

so that become so of normal

14:59

am i making sense you like ah like

15:01

we just have a so of weird relationship

15:04

when really is that you will consistently coming

15:06

up the line

15:06

and not going over it which isn't normal

15:09

the case you didn't go over the line then

15:11

you can be like well this is okay this is just how we

15:13

interact it's a little bit too

15:15

intense for this is just how we interact i'm not like

15:17

it's like if you

15:19

she'd had him

15:20

raymond age kissed or had sex

15:22

than people be immediately be like this is not

15:24

okay

15:25

that just maintaining that

15:28

quiet sexual tension make

15:30

the okay for them to do again and again and again

15:33

there's a motif in the episode of chasing a

15:35

high where i think

15:37

the very

15:37

first instance of that thing that you're describing

15:40

a fumble deniability of finding

15:42

a situation where you can get with each other we've

15:44

clearly feel that sexual tension there's

15:46

an electricity to it because it's surprise

15:48

and as as a delight and then every single time

15:51

you try to at recreate

15:53

it gets worse because a it's not as fun

15:55

as it was the first time right that's like just

15:57

drugs diminishing

15:58

return that also

15:59

becoming a more conscious and deliberate

16:02

and has becomes more

16:04

that right because you're doing it on purpose

16:06

the first time it was like oh we stumbled

16:08

upon the sexual tension the second time third

16:10

time you're like oh we know exactly what

16:12

this is and we keep recreating this dynamic

16:15

and so i think plausible deniability

16:17

has and electricity

16:19

at the very very beginning but then just gets

16:22

more sinister and

16:22

that the more you to create it

16:24

yeah so this episode i'm are also

16:27

comes back to dancing in a very big

16:29

way yes

16:31

we're doing her thing during her dance

16:33

two incidents two incidents click mama you

16:35

know anything she's were dancing

16:38

these yeah she's incredible

16:40

the a my have those moments of joy

16:43

makes me think about like the place and time that

16:45

we get for joy in our everyday lives and whether we

16:47

see that as like the so point

16:50

of why we're here there is something to

16:52

be like special and aside and cherished

16:54

because some people like i love to paid and

16:56

the cupboard

16:58

the literal paid and their bedrooms of him

17:00

play and as on there was an they've thrown themselves

17:02

so silly had love is what their posadas the

17:04

other people are like this

17:08

winged out say is something that i get to

17:10

do on the weekends and my joy

17:12

is sort of separate from my hustle and

17:15

is like in a sake

17:17

part of my life and i go i finish

17:19

work and i got the class the wake up in a saturday

17:22

and i go and i swing then

17:25

i don't remember one right way to do

17:28

i think those

17:29

can be quite enhanced by can seem quite

17:31

late and sad both can be like incredibly

17:33

therefore but i think that people do

17:35

make decisions about what they

17:37

about where their like they put the thing that lights the that

17:40

and if something about

17:42

they morning swing dancing well

17:45

, mean i'm , to

17:47

the over arching concept with

17:50

the name vs says the of saturday morning swing

17:52

dancing that if you divorce

17:54

said completely from life's purpose

17:56

or the fact that needs to make you money

17:59

there there are there is space

18:01

for it to be just joyous

18:03

yeah and i think that

18:05

the say that my a borosage necessarily

18:07

lead that corporate life but i think that is it

18:09

is destroy for her and does

18:12

a think that where people are like oh my god you're

18:14

really good at bay keg or like these

18:16

clear that you make a really good use it sounds about

18:18

at the use of start a business he should do this

18:20

but by baggy doing that and highlights

18:23

that sort of makes it takes some of

18:25

the pure thought after that it becomes like

18:27

steaks or bollywood what is pinned to the sig

18:29

that disease to give her

18:31

simple joy

18:32

that's a tough it's a tough spot wrote to war

18:35

i'm ira and at the into hapless that

18:37

message is strong with this fiancee

18:40

have to this message that see promotes while

18:42

being in a corporate job yeah but

18:44

also i think it's very interesting how alia

18:46

said or friend earlier

18:48

if hundred your friend of mine alia

18:50

said that in the this story

18:52

line and and that was a revelation

18:54

to me

18:55

they didn't realize until she said

18:58

the demonstration of how love doesn't necessarily

19:00

have to be not only not romantic but also

19:02

not

19:03

friendship love it could be a love towards

19:05

you do yeah and that's so

19:07

pure she's in a long distance romance

19:11

the saturday morning swing dancing saturday

19:13

morning thing

19:15

something the ungrateful that happens in this

19:17

i've said

19:19

is that a bar it does get

19:21

to tell baggy that they about the same

19:23

i'm not quitting my job voice service

19:26

my ram yeah p can do that without

19:28

the good job

19:30

and

19:32

me yeah looks at you

19:35

maggie see managed to launch a dream job

19:38

they think the everybody else can to and if

19:40

they don't then they're selling out for they don't want

19:42

it and off i was told explicitly

19:44

by someone high up in the industry's i

19:46

would never make as a contemporary dancer mara

19:49

onsite i i didn't not rely

19:52

yeah you didn't realize

19:54

i was the only girl who that like me on

19:56

my degree calls or that when men touch

19:58

shit to me on say

19:59

the not not just a bad

20:02

batch

20:03

i love you baby while my ride or die

20:06

but we are not the same is

20:08

fucking dead it sometime

20:10

it very hard to write a so

20:12

or a book or present

20:14

variance and be

20:17

like this is universal this is going to

20:19

apply to everyone everyone has like gaps

20:21

in what they know

20:23

what they've experienced what is

20:24

the important to them and i think one

20:26

way that the right is of this series

20:30

make the show really powerful is

20:32

by having the outside perspective so either

20:34

from like the very first episode when we had the

20:36

older women on the train rolling her eyes street

20:39

from a mara looking back in at my

20:41

his life and maggie sunny and big like

20:44

this is like that might live

20:46

not this doesn't happen for other people is

20:48

really important because

20:50

i think there's a way to portray other people's

20:52

yeah reality without saying it

20:54

the reality of your tax a maggie can't be a

20:56

super woke informed

20:59

really represents the personal the time

21:02

i mean just more scenes of what women getting called out

21:05

i love hotel i'd have oh boo hoo hah

21:09

what's this coward get blasted

21:11

positive

21:12

ha ha

21:14

the even maggie can see the merit that she gets by gaining

21:17

the different perspectives from other people and when

21:19

it's time to just let them are speak made

21:21

of and really say anything in response because he has fucked

21:23

up

21:24

that seemed i the one thing i did not

21:27

like about it with the fact that

21:29

a bar scared to was still light

21:31

but i love you bay but it's actually five i'd

21:33

like

21:35

so

21:37

emotion is sort of a teachable david

21:39

for baggy rather than her guessing to

21:41

be silly angry to break away from the great

21:43

to have consequences to being

21:45

neglected as a friends are being they

21:48

have her friend not be an allied to her that

21:51

does become that don't do this and future

21:53

the maggie but it doesn't have any sort

21:55

of real impact on their relationship

21:58

so jamar a story line can't

21:59

the a teachable moment i'm a gay exactly

22:02

i'm us soil on cause disease will moment because

22:04

it like everything is happening to her

22:06

is as real as everything that thirty and

22:09

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23:00

ak maggie has cut her hair

23:03

and you growing out her friends beautifully well

23:05

there was extensions oh no yeah

23:08

sorry law sit idle a said that

23:11

the now i would he says i prefer this

23:13

i prefer the real person oh what

23:15

i've been out of manly a as most obviously i

23:17

already prefer ever to make it

23:21

look i know nothing about uber nothing have with yeah

23:24

you know a guy we

23:28

are so excited to have used

23:30

that very sad that

23:32

the a bow could be here

23:34

with you i know i couldn't m t

23:37

the next as she lives in that her boyfriend i

23:39

would see as

23:42

no smoking on the job

23:44

of had as oh my god so high

23:46

yeah i know she's basket

23:48

son said we have this hammam platter on

23:50

like eighty seven at about half of

23:53

, speaks about the other limited

23:56

overs

23:56

we love you buy me love about you spend

23:59

a lot of time on

23:59

pretending to be drunk pretending to be how

24:03

did , delete it beats the ss

24:06

and what informed eats his

24:08

performances

24:09

getting drunk and high on said no

24:13

other different kinds of drugs yeah

24:17

i , that it's like like

24:19

hundred series is

24:22

intense isn't it isn't am i

24:24

seeing disease seeing cannot miss save on says

24:26

i use bill

24:27

what you're doing say

24:29

he finances like jaws each other at that were in

24:31

the bathroom and

24:33

third one night

24:35

heading to do drugs and stuff you claims is

24:37

like get a little bit crazy

24:39

exists like this weird vet mm

24:41

how to say is like a hot

24:42

not not to

24:44

, doing it as though they're like five

24:46

hours and your life has been to l allow

24:50

actually but the lasalle is exactly

24:52

the united

24:54

there for anything being john

24:57

read a good piece of advice is a drunk

24:59

people always find be sober so

25:02

basically just trying to like really keep it together

25:04

but you like lose that cell service

25:07

like personal space or boundaries

25:09

like what you know appropriate basic

25:11

god and we have my do any

25:13

ah was

25:15

you're twenty four year old time with

25:17

that era

25:19

in your life similar to the arab

25:21

that maggie has and hello with it like

25:23

sex drugs fig the steaks

25:25

this is fake mistakes yes

25:28

but it kinda sucks but he did not have not have

25:30

time in my early twenty's a solar

25:32

time getting to we live

25:34

at now i'm sorry

25:36

maggie as well which was really

25:38

really fun

25:39

it didn't get the the house as saying when

25:41

i was younger like have only just left with

25:44

one of my mates man

25:45

late twentieth so i select five

25:47

my breast slightly but

25:49

i'm enjoying it more now and thirty

25:52

them like ticket to go and have fun

25:55

i know myself

25:58

the i didn't have another

25:59

com early twenties

26:01

we should be more like maggie etc i think

26:03

it's a terrible toilet garbage bag

26:05

time yeah

26:06

the overhyped in a very big way

26:08

they are you don't have the power to do much

26:11

nothing edu how the past you don't

26:13

really know like you're still finding out if you

26:15

enjoy it so you can have like an exciting time that maybe someone

26:17

else is exciting time and then like

26:19

when like think when you get the late twenties the like this is how this

26:21

like to have fun and you will add more competent in

26:23

a even if it was fun trying outlook

26:26

yeah i think when you're in your

26:28

early twenties it's like you're going to places

26:30

of friends one of the it not really

26:32

making those decisions yourself i do

26:34

so much

26:36

hundreds of a going with

26:38

when are you doing thing if is t

26:41

we talk a lot about how the show

26:43

after that feeling of early twenties

26:46

of not so much doing the things you want to do

26:48

but doing the things you want to seem to

26:50

be doing

26:51

and so the idea of like the idea of

26:53

getting into a cabin go to liverpool

26:55

is so cool on paper because you're so spontaneous

26:58

but the reality of it is so

27:00

sad

27:00

yeah it's the story as well i think

27:03

maggie is doing it for the stories and

27:07

eat as kind of that bragging rights as well

27:09

that when she's of the next parties will talk about the time

27:11

she going into going into and that makes her

27:13

the pool party does

27:16

the she thinks is really cool

27:18

say she gets like be the cool go when

27:20

at least in

27:21

radio better security isn't

27:24

ah

27:27

such differences away

27:30

from it or yeah this is about worth

27:32

it i don't know who he said have some so

27:35

much

27:35

fun me

27:38

i okay so fast the i think

27:40

that

27:41

i've been a lot of the time you

27:44

know like the am i the also

27:45

on from the internet or familiar

27:47

with the internet i think a lot a

27:49

lot of the times maybe it's ambiguous or

27:52

maggie is stephanie the us hope in this episode

27:54

and thirty's a real debts and i

27:56

she's a real cruel

27:59

item item i don't i saw your

28:01

own

28:01

either as as ever

28:04

i think in this episode it feels quite

28:06

humiliating the various ways

28:08

in which buddy betrays maggie thought maggie

28:10

does desecrate the salmon process

28:13

was idea if is simply like quietly

28:15

too

28:16

i mean

28:18

yeah

28:19

i i dunno

28:21

we can wash i know i do a d guess

28:23

if i think it's a bad lattice i think i

28:25

think buddy has no say summonses i

28:28

can be impartial because

28:29

the harsh about birdie okay close

28:31

i'm a mac it's

28:35

animal either

28:36

now i get i get that able i like

28:38

that you can see that maggie has been by

28:41

the husband bob i think there is i

28:44

think sometimes one when we

28:46

like have like have as therapy or think

28:48

we're little bit grown up the ways that and maggie

28:50

does this when she has the what party but she's

28:52

like telling off the martha having fun and

28:54

talking to people with saw a slightly

28:58

i'm what the cool

28:59

like your uncompromising yet

29:01

another one of the he will be you to sort of like know this

29:03

is the way that we're adults like this is what you have to dates

29:06

yeah it's very easy to be black

29:07

my in early twenty

29:09

it's very easy to prevent that is the name of better

29:11

because

29:14

also i love that sister maggie

29:17

in that god afraid of thought that what he actually

29:19

suffered by either a

29:21

song for fun my book

29:23

was book was reliving twenty twelve

29:25

oh so not eight weeks

29:27

it feels like period piece now when actually

29:30

wasn't that far away but

29:33

they didn't realize

29:34

how like a is an iconic

29:37

the fashion as well

29:39

ridiculous putting pen to scare pants

29:41

on

29:42

american apparel

29:45

american apparel season i don't have any

29:47

wearing a member of

29:50

mars

29:50

i think it's probably from twenty five yeah

29:53

by day i just revealed and that though the

29:55

aussie evade so

29:57

that that the pts v

29:59

the pts day i'm

30:02

those video clinic type the music as well

30:05

so many bangers i select some pop

30:06

the really

30:08

in his prime i'm

30:11

it was yeah sure ,

30:13

do what feels like a period piece also the phones

30:16

the that's what we have now

30:19

the swipe at does it feel at think it feels so

30:21

comforting so comforting such like embryonic

30:23

stage it's like flight stage it's a

30:26

twenty five people in yeah it was quite pure

30:28

i'm going to didn't know what

30:30

it was going to take on a we had no idea

30:33

like hinge was going to

30:35

oh no

30:36

since him

30:38

yeah we add was before

30:40

like we cared about data harvesting or

30:43

the one making money off of us were

30:45

just very excited

30:46

you don't take my nerves i'm

30:48

, we'll treat them less other fs

30:51

one of the reasons i really wanted argue

30:53

this episode even though she suck it up is because

30:55

he is really try is going out

30:57

of live like live don't i

31:00

don't know i did feel like she was doing i

31:03

didn't i didn't feel like she got high with her

31:05

landlord for the story in the sense that

31:08

that's quite an extreme things stand than half fixing

31:10

it is quite an extreme things days i don't

31:12

think he says no

31:13

how to like know

31:16

something normally

31:17

yeah but had damage control

31:19

his bike i will get this done

31:22

by hook or by crook

31:24

i

31:26

how can she enjoys is on it's interesting

31:28

to see maggie tried to do even like

31:30

the smallest tasks because you will find the most

31:33

extravagant way to do them yeah

31:35

that's what makes me

31:36

yeah i'm i think is the main character

31:38

syndrome that she has as wow i'm wanting

31:40

to make everything and a fencer or

31:42

exciting or like everything

31:45

like needs to be a story with monkey other

31:47

ways it feels like it's not real

31:49

like she's not living it solely

31:53

on i sing one of her biggest fears is

31:55

not living with a full life

31:57

so that's why she goes to extremes as

31:59

well like a point where

32:01

maggie is really upset about likes i think

32:03

sequences broken and in the kind of

32:05

person that she is and like that she's

32:07

always too messy or too big or too

32:10

loud and that she needs to

32:12

calm down and buddy calls her like hurricane

32:14

but with the rape of a slow it is very be really

32:17

beautiful i think later

32:19

on in the last episodes

32:22

we hear people telling maggie

32:24

that she will change

32:25

like or that you want different things from her life

32:28

and while while think that maggie has

32:32

maturing pseudo id thing as a kind of like

32:34

sadness to the idea that she might

32:36

hum down like i won't

32:38

have to get wise if i think the thought the people are like

32:40

oh you'll eventually so

32:43

of normal nathan ask relationship oil

32:45

eventually stop doing those things and

32:47

i think that

32:48

yeah i don't i don't think that senses

32:51

romance the bench about your

32:53

last ago when you're in your thirties

32:55

or forties or fifties

32:57

not that i would know because i'm a baby to

33:01

, anybody tell your life ssssss

33:03

that i even though you like emma no

33:06

clue thanks yes

33:08

even monkeys though i think i have

33:10

think i happen i mean i

33:11

i didn't what can have serious threat

33:14

i mean c'mon were jumping straight jumping straight threat

33:17

yes there is to not happening i'll sit

33:19

that

33:21

already very true that i hated it

33:23

was a it was a bluff to be as is given the like nancy

33:26

sent me a heart scale of christmas

33:29

, something i can you imagine

33:32

crysis vessel there is one throwback

33:34

same where you

33:36

are wearing are tough sell have club at at

33:39

the party oh the left address

33:42

yeah

33:43

elop that dragon

33:45

what was your favorite

33:46

he

33:47

maggie more amazing heights

33:50

yeah see like alaska and co i

33:52

love that so much

33:55

and that was a natural hint his one

33:57

confidence is that

33:59

the

33:59

bit fed up with a short just as my life

34:02

then all of the melee

34:05

all the outfits are pretty spectacular

34:07

there was the sequin romper like oh

34:10

of episode five yeah that was the

34:12

main road and know i absolutely detest

34:14

up

34:16

anything you know nine and a i did as

34:18

i've if is is an icon the time i think

34:20

a traumatic time he reminded me

34:22

of

34:23

fuck that i really wanted a full see

34:25

in like romper i know that was like a job

34:27

in that and a nice i just yeah

34:30

no yeah

34:32

it it made it it i am a

34:34

sense if is true sequence falling on

34:37

are you getting a heavier like you put it on

34:39

and this as you have been like put it on the setting i was

34:41

like this is the best thing i've ever

34:43

worn in mind that and

34:45

mad because we shut the whole episode basic

34:47

they enter a get the point where of light we're doing

34:49

liverpool stuff with a deep into the sea

34:52

and i'm psyched autonomy to get the signals

34:54

that the sequins a scratch saying about

34:56

finding out of that he owned

34:59

by the bag of as i got a friend contributes

35:01

to how the sort of the night

35:02

yeah is so razzle dazzle

35:04

what were the moments where you

35:07

like really emphasizes baggy and really

35:09

felt for her and what were the hardest to play cause

35:11

you really weren't on her side or didn't felix

35:14

the most i empathize with heard

35:16

my

35:16

probably the moment for she's alone

35:18

she let herself feel what she's actually

35:21

feeling as bet and absurd

35:24

haven't

35:25

there i was like brady

35:27

for her

35:30

because i think she is she's always putting up this

35:32

fun and does when everything's

35:34

be a cane acting she wants to trick herself

35:37

into thinking that

35:39

everything is fine they i just try hard

35:41

enough

35:42

and i might be an act

35:44

like everything's ok then i will just believe

35:47

i'm and oxidized famous

35:50

not the case because she says running away from a feeling

35:52

so yeah , think those moments

35:54

where she's alone move

35:57

the hardest it's still

35:59

early you know we should biting like nice

36:01

in psych one glass of wine

36:04

and liquor

36:04

the our i like has some

36:07

nice get ,

36:10

those are the best

36:11

it is like the system fish that's

36:14

like attacks a but again

36:16

it play i think it's believable with maggie because

36:18

she is extreme and

36:20

i think she's trying to deal with deal with whatever

36:22

way that isn't taking it on buddy

36:25

so that's what that looks like that

36:28

and what it as

36:31

nope it's opponent massively hard

36:34

hi this is always rooted in

36:36

is like you understand why she's doing the chaotic

36:38

thing she's doing

36:39

yeah like i think that's the

36:41

funny that's the whole thing with acting is just like

36:43

wide people do the things they do wide the behaves

36:46

in like

36:47

the way

36:48

they are i'm and i think

36:51

so much is what she's

36:53

doing this is rooted in fear of

36:56

just losing her best friend and feeling

36:58

completely kind of like and hazards

37:00

and

37:03

the unit

37:04

last

37:05

the feel do did you feel

37:08

like that relationship dynamic was familiar

37:10

to you or just or just generally how do you

37:12

feel about this the intensity of female friendship

37:16

if he insisted

37:18

relationship i've ever had in my life like

37:20

my friend to i've got like some

37:23

really amazing close friends that

37:25

my best friend especially who i live was suicide

37:28

there's nothing else like thoughts

37:31

an incredible

37:33

hey i can completely understand

37:36

their i haven't had it to dot

37:39

extent myself

37:42

maybe i would have if i'd like live with

37:45

my childhood best friends because

37:48

, i saw like that's longest relationship eve

37:50

has up until that point then if he started

37:52

living together isn't slay like

37:54

in a long term relationship and then when something comes

37:57

along something

37:58

doc that by your life

37:59

whoa

38:01

what about me

38:02

i think there is like a special energy

38:05

to relationships where they thirty since you were a

38:07

child because when you're likely be

38:09

people are eating let it feels like there was a division

38:11

between

38:13

thou at a bar and baggage thirty like

38:15

definite sometimes the other guy like the other does like cobbled

38:17

together or like see them already doing something or

38:19

like ah victims

38:21

that had sit and i think that

38:23

someone is basically family

38:25

could be quite smothering as well as

38:27

quiet

38:29

i think meeting someone as an adult

38:32

we're lucky young adults very different knowing someone

38:36

the talk this just that said the stones

38:38

at you is hop it's like this kind of connection

38:42

just days to take an understanding

38:44

me house

38:46

and offer to i think it's like a little

38:48

a little bit of

38:49

what i've seen lord of the flies thing because like

38:51

they've senior at your worst they've seen how the sausage is

38:53

made and there's like that you don't

38:55

talk about what design french

38:58

we don't talk about people now don't know about

39:00

the side french people i meet now yeah

39:03

don't know by the three quarter leggings but they

39:05

have you been able to enjoy

39:08

like what see that the series people's

39:10

reactions to it or have either

39:12

no evil seen any the i'm

39:14

i've really enjoyed watching yeah

39:17

i think because i'm just so proud of it as wow

39:19

and also very much when and what's the i'm not switching

39:21

since i'm kind of like

39:22

i went there for nasa form and own

39:25

see for this sets look

39:27

like from

39:28

that visual perspective like how the da a

39:30

p letter and of thing like that are very

39:32

much does not watching

39:35

i'd walk but

39:37

yeah it is really nice mean all the girls

39:39

and dollywood and was all seven of says backpack

39:42

our wildest

39:45

nikki to react if

39:48

, will it so

39:50

let me make something make very

39:52

lucky my

39:53

the made i really liked the deficit

39:55

i love

39:56

the show like and they have to

39:58

say part of it

39:59

enhancers

40:02

on the upper say

40:04

this

40:06

because it meant

40:07

they must people at when i got the job my friends like

40:09

you do realize how much as means people

40:11

six years ago

40:13

i'm so it's really

40:15

nice to hit by the it's met people's

40:18

expectations or even if is feasible

40:20

give them a day

40:22

you know it that we haven't let

40:25

people down fewer like a millennial harry

40:27

potter

40:28

he loves

40:31

, dynamite with his

40:33

that a officer and he will be less i mean

40:35

i'm delighted on harry potter iranian is

40:37

there

40:40

i members of the cause i

40:43

think it is useful

40:46

emma thank you so

40:46

so much for joining us this has been an absolute delight

40:49

ah thank you for having me

40:52

he of so glad that he got hacked or

40:56

if you're going out afraid

41:00

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