0:12

I didn't want to do the nine five. I was

0:14

not going to take the normal path.

0:18

I'm sitting in a hammock in well

0:21

paradise if your idea of

0:23

paradise is kind of the classic one. Lush

0:25

rainforests, green hills, clear

0:28

streams, too many chattering birds

0:30

and monkeys to count. At night, the wood

0:32

swarm with headlight beetles, which are like

0:34

giant fireflies. It

0:36

feels like Pandora. I

0:38

wanted to go see some chocolate forests, and I wanted

0:40

to go catch sneaks and crocodiles

0:42

and stuff that I did in the hammock.

0:44

Beside me is Jacob Marlin, and

0:46

this is his baby. The Belize

0:49

Foundation for Research and Environmental

0:51

Education or be Free,

0:54

I one thousand acre preserve in the Maya Mountains,

0:57

dotted with thatch huts and visiting biologists

1:00

who come here from all over the world to study what a

1:02

healthy rainforest is like. Beefree

1:05

is right at the juncture of several other huge

1:07

preserves, including the Bladen

1:09

Nature Reserve, the crown jewel

1:11

of Belize wilderness areas, which

1:13

is why Jacob bought it thirty years ago and

1:16

has lived here as its conservator ever since.

1:19

It connects all the other preserves into one massive

1:21

wild forest. Jacob

1:25

is laid back dude in his fifties. His long

1:27

hair parted in the middle. Kind of reminds

1:29

me of the actor Crispin Glover. He came

1:31

here as the reptile

1:34

guy on a team of biologists that

1:36

were exploring the Bladon, which is famously

1:38

remote and inaccessible. As

1:40

he hiked his way through it, Jacob felt

1:42

like he'd entered a time capsule. We

1:45

went to places that no human had been since

1:47

St. Chimayah. We came upon clay

1:50

statues of monkey

1:52

and jaguar gods. We saw barrel

1:54

grounds of maya stuff. Clearly no one

1:57

had been there. For the next two weeks,

1:59

Jacob found himself exploring a world straight

2:01

out of a fantasy novel. You're like,

2:03

oh my god, I think I say a cave opening, and

2:06

then you go in there, and then you walk for nine hours,

2:09

and then you look down and fifty feet

2:11

below you there's a massive river flowing. And then you

2:13

look over there and there's like mine pottery

2:15

and skeletons and ship scattered over there. Then swim

2:18

out the cave and go over here, and then you find two

2:21

fifty spider monkeys swinging down. Then

2:24

there's a jaguar over there. That's

2:27

what our expedition was like. It's

2:30

lost the whole time. I mean, we were all lost.

2:32

It was madness, but it was the

2:35

best kind of madness, the kind he

2:37

wanted to devote his life too. When

2:39

I came out, I was completely

2:41

blown away, and I was like, Oh my god, this

2:43

place is incredible. I wonder if I could

2:45

get involved in this place. In

2:48

fact, the Blatant was so full of wonders that he

2:50

overlooked one of them entirely. I

2:53

remember passing wild cacao trees, which

2:55

I was like, Oh, it's a wild cocow. Who

2:58

cares to Jacob, cocao

3:00

was agriculture and he was a nature guy.

3:03

So he devoted his life to preserving the big

3:05

nature of the Blatant and forgot all about

3:07

the cacao. But little did

3:09

he know that that particular

3:11

cocao hiding in plain sight

3:13

in the Maya Mountains would end

3:16

up being the key to protecting the very rainforest

3:18

he devoted his life too, and

3:21

possibly a whole lot more.

3:24

He was living with ancient ghosts

3:27

that had been waiting centuries to

3:29

speak their Peace of

3:34

Kaleidoscope and i Heeart podcasts. This

3:37

is Obsessions Wild Chocolate.

3:40

I'm Roman jameson chapter

3:42

five Ghost Chocolate. The

4:11

Forest of Belieze contain more than a thousand

4:13

species of trees, astounding

4:15

diversity. To Jacob, pacat

4:18

was just one of those thousands. But as

4:20

he explored his preserved he began

4:23

catching his eye more and more. Some

4:25

of the pods are one color or another color or

4:27

another color. Some are

4:29

yellow when they're ripe, Some are orange

4:32

when they are oranges, purple when they're right. Some are green

4:34

when they're ripe. Some are multi colored when they're right.

4:36

It's different shapes, a little bit different

4:38

sizes. The trees had a lot

4:40

of diversity in appearance, but they

4:43

had one very important thing in common.

4:45

Sometimes you'd walk up to a tree it's and it's a nine percent

4:47

shade to the middle of the forest shade,

4:52

and its covered ponds. To

4:55

the average person that might not sound like a big

4:57

deal, but to people who think about sustainable

5:00

food production, that's the

5:02

holy grail. Think about

5:04

every crop humans have cultivated, corn

5:06

rice, gale, whatever, They

5:09

all need full sun. Same

5:11

for the modern strains of cacao, we've used for a century,

5:14

and that means that growing food often

5:16

means wiping out for us. And

5:18

that's been especially true for cacao in West

5:20

Africa, destroying national

5:22

parks. It's eradicating

5:25

species. It's uh, I'm

5:27

like, fuck, caca is horrible, but

5:30

not this cacao. This stuff is

5:32

weird. It is, it's weird.

5:35

The trees are different. These

5:37

are not hardy, robust

5:39

plants. These are rainforest

5:42

play they want you know, don't don't put

5:44

them in the sun. Don't give them any sun.

5:47

These trees do best in

5:50

shade, and

5:53

if you give them, lestie die good.

5:56

I know, I know. It's amazing,

5:59

amazing because a tree that could flourish and

6:01

produce fruit in the deep shade of the jungle

6:03

that requires rainforests over its head, well,

6:07

that could turn farming into a way to grow

6:09

new rainforests and pay for it.

6:11

So Jacob got super curious about

6:13

these cocoa trees, and the first step

6:16

was to find out how many he had. So

6:19

in two thousand twelve he hired Elmer

6:21

Salama, a local mind, got to

6:23

map them. So I did the expedition

6:25

for I think like two

6:28

three years. Find

6:30

do them white trees, new jungles, just

6:34

wandering around. So I

6:38

didn't have any GPS,

6:41

just my memories.

6:44

And you're started cutting trialsutting trels

6:46

on to leg, you know. And I

6:49

found it about almost

6:51

like three on the trees wild trees here,

6:53

and it's out of water place phenotypes.

6:57

We have harpolo orange, who have

7:00

guint to yellow. We have um

7:03

print to green. Then we have multiple

7:05

colors. Those are the four types of

7:08

trees they've identified, all named

7:10

for the colors of their pods as they ripen. All

7:12

four are members of the same shade loving

7:14

variety, which Jacob hoped could be the

7:17

engine of his rainforest revival scheme

7:19

if, of course, it produced delicious

7:22

chocolate. So it was like, well, shut

7:24

up, man, let's make some chocolate because if nothing else, we could

7:26

chocolate here like chocolate. Yeah, why not,

7:29

just as like a hobby. As we tore the

7:31

preserve, Jacob and Elmer offered to snag a couple

7:33

of pods for me to show me their special

7:35

qualities. But the pods are

7:37

twenty feet up, like three

7:41

four five. That's

7:43

like five pods, guys, most progress,

7:47

yeah, yeah, because

7:49

what we do be hardest do bring

7:51

along bush stick with h Yeah,

7:53

gonna. Cahoons are

7:56

crazy palms. Their fronts could

7:58

be thirty ft long, shooting

8:00

up from the ground. And these graceful arcs walking

8:03

through a Calhoun grove you expect to come upon a

8:05

Brontosaurus munging on them.

8:07

The immense fronds are the go to choice

8:09

for roofing, and the sharp and central ribs

8:12

make awesome jousting lances for cutting

8:14

to cow pods out of trees. Get

8:16

a catch here, thing you like? Oh

8:18

I see, so you just scrape scrape up

8:20

the drunk and got

8:23

it and there it is in my hand.

8:26

To cow with some very unusual qualities.

8:29

The multicolor and the purple orange had close

8:31

to like almost six cocoa butts

8:33

super high super high rich creamy

8:36

chocolate. Some people say it tastes

8:38

like almost like milk chocolate. It's

8:40

a light brownish red shot, zero

8:43

bitterness, there's nothing bitter about

8:45

it, and it doesn't even taste that much like chocolate.

8:48

What you think of his chocolate Like at

8:50

first, Jacob's chocolate making skills were limited,

8:53

but he kept dialing it in and

8:55

so like every year about this time we

8:58

go out there with backpacks and

9:00

and I'd bring up to the station and make chocolate

9:02

with him, and I'd experim him. I'm learning, I'm trying

9:04

to figure things out. People would

9:06

come through here and it's like that creole. You

9:08

can't believe that that stuff is probably really special.

9:14

That word creoio is a

9:16

famous and sacred term in the world of

9:18

chocolate. But Jacob was only

9:20

just discovering the treasure he had on his hands.

9:22

I'm learning about creb I don't really know much about what

9:24

that meant, but it's like, okay, so it's it's

9:27

a relic cocao. It's not prow much. Creoa

9:30

was the original cacao of the ancient mile the

9:33

variety they cultivated all over their empire

9:35

and introduced the Spanish and the fift hundreds.

9:38

The smooth, creamy flavor of creoia

9:40

made chocolate a worldwide obsession. It

9:43

was the only chocolate anyone knew until

9:45

the seventeen hundreds, when it began to get wiped

9:47

out by disease. Soon it was

9:49

replaced by hardier and more productive hybrid

9:51

varieties, varieties that didn't taste

9:53

as good, but we're easier to draw, and

9:55

those varieties took over the world For

9:58

decades, craft chocolate cares have been scouring

10:01

Central America for sources of Creoia. The

10:03

best they can usually find are hybrids

10:05

that have a percentage of creoo gens

10:08

and a trace of that original creole smoothness.

10:11

Pure creoia. You never see it. But

10:14

Jacob began wondering about his three trees

10:17

if there was anywhere some old creoio strains

10:19

could have escaped hybridization that

10:21

was in the middle of one of the most inaccessible rainforests

10:24

in the world. It's least explored,

10:26

least disturbed, most unspoiled

10:29

place. Everything

10:32

up there. It just feels like

10:34

this stuff has always been here,

10:37

just old. So

10:40

he embarked on a new quest, find

10:42

someone who would tell him just how special this stuff

10:44

was and find out if anyone

10:46

cared. I

10:58

want to taste of some of this God love chocolate.

11:00

We got you covered. Kalia Scop

11:02

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11:09

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11:14

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11:25

What I always remember is

11:27

the smell, just the smell of

11:29

my ya Ya's kitchen during

11:32

the summer. Remember Matt Capoda,

11:35

the Salt Lake, Delhi guy who became America's

11:37

heirloom chocolate champion. Matt

11:39

credits his Greek grandmother for his passion

11:41

for rare ingredients and unusual flavors.

11:44

She had a tiny little plot in

11:46

Salt Lake City. She grew her own potatoes,

11:49

dandylion greens. You know, her produce

11:51

didn't taste like the produce you could buy in the grocery

11:53

store. So I became accustomed to

11:56

looking for flavors that

11:58

don't really exist in you

12:00

know what has become a pretty monoculture

12:03

food system. Taste and smell are

12:05

some of the first most important ways that we

12:07

make meaning of the world around us. They're

12:10

the raw material of experience, the

12:12

scaffolding upon which we hang our memories.

12:15

They're the way each generation passes its

12:17

passions to the next. No matter

12:19

where you're from in the world, we have

12:22

beautiful traditions, delicious foods,

12:25

incredibly rich ingredients

12:27

that are disappearing at an alarming rate

12:30

over the years. Matt had built Caputos

12:32

into a show house for these cultural Touchsdownes,

12:35

but he'd also watched in dismay.

12:37

As those flavors disappeared, it

12:39

was harder and harder to get,

12:42

you know, a raw milk, pecorino,

12:44

romano. And I would see this trajectory in

12:46

every category, not just cheese,

12:49

of things getting more and more homogenized,

12:51

more and more flavorless. As he watched

12:54

industrial agriculture set fire to

12:56

the world's libraries of flavor, Matt

12:58

became convinced that he had to be a kind of librarian,

13:01

preserving as many of the great flavor manuscripts

13:03

as he could, and cacao seemed

13:06

like a special case, with some of the most endangered

13:08

masterpieces of all he wanted

13:10

to help. Then he heard about a new

13:12

initiative that captured his imagination, the

13:15

Heirloom Cacao Preservation Fund. The

13:17

goal of the project was to identify the world's great

13:20

cocaws with an expert tasting panel

13:22

and to prove their uniqueness through genetic

13:24

testing. That certification would

13:27

be the stamp of approval, drawing the

13:29

attention of Beam to Bar chocolate makers. The

13:31

first designee was an easy call, Volker

13:34

Lehman and his Tranquilidad beans. Soon

13:37

other designees were added, including Emily Stones

13:39

my Mountain cocao in sen

13:42

Jacob submitted the be free beans, hoping

13:45

they had enough Creoo parentage to be something

13:47

special, and soon enough he

13:49

heard back from the committee congratulations,

13:52

your beans have made the cut. I

13:54

heard that from one of their board members.

13:57

Oh, We're going to be announcing this your

13:59

pure CREOLEO in

14:01

San Francisco at this big chocolate event.

14:04

And I was like, you are. I

14:06

mean, that sounds I'm coming.

14:09

Thanks for not inviting me, but

14:12

I'm like, I'm sucking going to San Francisco. God damn

14:14

it. So he attends the awards ceremony.

14:17

The audience is student in fifty well dressed people

14:19

in the world of chocolate, and the m C is

14:21

Ed Sege, a legend in the fine chocolate

14:24

industry, and to Jacob's amazement,

14:27

ed is getting all worked up over Jacob's beans

14:29

and he's talking about pure Creoo.

14:32

It's the only pure cacao known

14:35

in the world. The tasting parils

14:37

never tasted anything quite

14:39

this Araban before pure

14:42

creator Parentidge blah blah blah,

14:44

and I'm like, what what does that even

14:46

mean? And and then

14:49

he's done, and I was like, wait

14:51

a minute. So I stand up

14:54

and I said, wait, a minute.

14:59

I'm the guy that submit of those means you're not gonna invite

15:01

me up. Jacob

15:07

was just looking for a little love, but he got

15:09

a lot. After the ceremony,

15:11

it was swarmed by chocolate makers. Could

15:13

they get some samples of those beans? How about

15:15

a few tons? Did he need a business partner?

15:18

He soon found out why. The expert

15:21

tasting panel had tasted Jacob's submission

15:23

and found it to be a paragon of

15:25

smooth and silky chocolate. Then

15:28

the genesis of the U. S. D A did their

15:30

thing and came away and shocked.

15:33

These beans weren't high in preoil content.

15:36

They were a hundred percent kreoia.

15:39

In other words, this was the original

15:42

cow of the Maya, a direct

15:44

line back to the one that existed before Europeans

15:46

ever got involved. Somehow, it

15:48

had hold up in the Maya Mountains for a thousand

15:51

years, and now it was

15:53

ready for re entry. The panel's

15:55

declaration gave Jacob all the incentive he needed

15:57

to try to make that delicious, shade loving cow

16:00

a flagship of rainforest restoration, and

16:03

those original three trees became sacred

16:05

to him. You know, we all touched these trees.

16:07

Yeah, I don't do anything. All we do

16:10

is harvest pods, collect data,

16:12

and collect budwood. That budwood

16:14

super important. Budwood is the newly

16:17

formed tips of branches that are used to grow

16:19

an exact duplicate of the mother tree. When

16:21

Jacob returned from his trip to the States, he's

16:24

set to work planting. We have almost

16:26

ten thousand trees of this material now

16:28

growing, ten thousand trees,

16:31

ten thousand baby creas,

16:33

a forest of ancient mind CaCO rising

16:36

up in the Belize wilds, and

16:38

they are just the beginning. If Jacob

16:40

has his way, those ten thousand trees

16:43

will give birth to a million more, not

16:45

just a bee free but anywhere anyone

16:48

wants to grow new rain forests and figure

16:50

out a way to pay for it. As a

16:52

bonus, we'll all get to experience this

16:54

ghost of chocolate past. Jacob

16:57

also became the volunteer president of the

16:59

air Land could Cow Preservation Fund, which

17:01

is now designated sixteen of the world's cocaos

17:04

as essential cultural heritage. That's

17:06

helped bring recognition and a decent income

17:08

to the farmers who are keeping these masterpieces

17:11

alive. But it isn't always

17:13

enough. Ironically, it

17:15

couldn't save the very first DESIGNI Vulgar

17:18

Layman. After

17:20

years of dodging bullet after bullet in the jungle,

17:23

he was about to take one right

17:25

in the heart. Everything

17:28

went just upside

17:30

down, and all from

17:32

one moment to the other. I

17:35

thought I was doing the good things, and all

17:37

of a sudden I was in turmoil.

17:40

You know, the sky was falling

17:43

on my head. One

18:10

thing I noticed right away when I came back to Bolivia

18:12

in was that whatever

18:15

romance the jungle had once held for Vulgar,

18:17

it was long gone. It

18:20

seems like that the birds in

18:24

in the in the jungle, in the Amazone

18:26

and in the tropical

18:29

here, they

18:31

don't know how to sing. It seems like they

18:34

never went to singing school.

18:38

And it most and most of it is it's

18:40

like more like shouting

18:43

noise. Uh

18:46

like this, And there's one I

18:50

maybe we're here. We're here. It's

18:53

like a like a dying sound.

18:57

It's it's like somebody

19:00

is strangling the bird

19:02

while he tries to sing.

19:05

Like that

19:10

sounded like a different guy from the one I had left

19:12

on top of the world. After our visit to the euro Care,

19:15

they'd agreed to provide fifteen tons of cacao,

19:17

which meant he'd be delivering forty five tons

19:19

to felsh Lean three shipping containers.

19:22

But he needed serious capital. He needed

19:25

to build a fermentation center in the jungle, He

19:27

needed boats, and he had to hire

19:29

people to do the buying and transporting for him.

19:32

Most of all, he needed cash to

19:34

pay all the harvesters, so

19:37

he took on investors. It was a

19:39

huge gamble, but the first year it

19:41

worked great. He produced more cal than

19:43

ever. The quality was awesome. Felsh

19:46

Lean was thrilled and he made his payments.

19:48

It worked the next year too. He felt

19:51

like the system he'd always envisioned in his mind was

19:53

finally up and running. But in

19:56

three years into his business, the rains

19:59

came even harder than usual. The

20:01

mom Rae flooded badly. I

20:03

wasn't in very good terms with the people,

20:05

so I trusted them

20:07

and I asked him, would that

20:09

be cacao? Yeah? Yeah, there will

20:12

be a lot of cacal, you know, but

20:14

give you us so much and repay

20:16

you don't worry. So he flashed fifty

20:19

into the jungle, expecting to get twice

20:21

that much in cacao out of it. For

20:24

weeks later, the harvest trickled in

20:26

just twenty worth of cocao. Vulker

20:29

was understanding despite the knot

20:32

in his stomach. He said, fine,

20:34

whatever things get weird in the jungle,

20:38

just give me back the rest of the money. And

20:40

his buyers said, well, here's

20:43

the thing. We gave the money to

20:45

the pickers and they

20:47

spend it all. Sorry, thirty

20:50

grand just evaporated into

20:52

the bush. What was he going to do?

20:55

Bring a legal case against the whole forest. He

20:57

decided to eat the losses himself. Liked

21:00

the guys and they've had a good track record

21:02

until then. I said, that's not a problem.

21:05

Okay, you owe me so

21:07

for the next year. Yeah, next year, and

21:10

so we we leveled this out. It's

21:13

not such a great

21:15

deal. In other words, no worries.

21:18

Consider it an advance on next year's Kao.

21:20

He comes so close, and he just really didn't

21:23

want to see this one go down the tubes. He

21:25

was now fully emotionally invested. But

21:27

then it was time to talk to his lenders and explained

21:30

that he couldn't make his payment this year, and

21:32

they were not emotionally invested.

21:35

I said, okay, this year I

21:37

present a loss, and

21:40

they said what is the loss?

21:43

Um, please explain you

21:45

know, I said, yeah, loss is when you don't

21:48

have earnings. You know you

21:50

you're on the negative. Yeah.

21:52

Negative is no good? Yeah. Oh

21:54

could we sue you? Yeah?

21:57

Yeah, you have to give us the money back. I

21:59

said, the money is with the people in the

22:01

jungle. I explained it again to you

22:04

if you want, I'm happy to explain

22:06

it again. So I gave the money.

22:09

The horfus was low. So

22:11

now we have to recover the loss.

22:14

Oh loss, no no, no, no, no, you have

22:16

to give us a monthay, I said, I have no

22:18

money. Oh yeah, then

22:21

we seize your as it Okay.

22:24

I ended up in a lawsuit, total

22:30

fucking disaster, leans

22:32

on his house and on his business. He

22:35

had to declare bankruptcy. His marriage

22:37

crumbled. Later, as

22:39

we were driving around Bolivia looking for

22:41

a cowdibi, Walker confessed just

22:44

how devastating it all was to his life and

22:46

his psyche. I mean, it seems like it must have

22:48

been hard just personally to walk

22:51

like when you just gotten all that

22:53

recognition, you knew you were making one of the best chocolates

22:56

in the world. It

22:58

took me, um,

23:00

you know, from

23:02

basically from fourteen

23:06

to until last year actually

23:10

to recover um

23:13

financially or personally, spiritually

23:17

entirely. Yeah, everything,

23:20

everything a little bit because

23:23

everything is interlinked, and you

23:25

know, and

23:27

and I wanted to save ton

23:30

Kilda, and I wanted to save

23:32

at least you know this part.

23:34

Yes, his creditors were coming for his glove and

23:37

the cow forest man.

23:39

You must have been furious at a lot of people.

23:42

I had a little it

23:47

was a section of rage and

23:49

now a pure rage. I would now

23:52

with a gun in my hand, I would have killed some

23:54

people. Maybe. Fortunately

23:58

he didn't. In fact, at

24:01

the moment of maximum rage, when

24:04

he thought he might explode, he just

24:07

let it all go. The lawsuits,

24:10

the frustration, the fury gone.

24:14

The guys who just lost all his money in the jungle. He

24:16

knew they were hard up, so we said, why

24:19

don't you just live in my house and trided ad for free

24:21

until you get back on your feet. Ever

24:23

since, I'm calm. I'm much calm, was

24:26

than be far much more.

24:28

Oh off,

24:31

Budda is is

24:34

nothing. You know. I'm

24:40

more calm than the river Sitata

24:42

was sitting at. Have you ever been

24:44

in touch with those guys? Oh

24:47

yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know I saw.

24:49

Yeah. Yeah, once in a while I remind

24:51

them to pay me and then they laugh and

24:54

say, yeah, yeah, we do. Is

24:56

that just kind of how things work here? Yeah?

24:59

Yeah, Just forget about

25:01

it and go off. It's like a pant

25:03

divorce. You know, you cannot

25:06

suffer forever, you know, you

25:08

have to go on with your life.

25:13

And he did. In fact, he

25:15

pulled a full Siddartha. He

25:17

just decided to walk away from

25:19

Tranquila Dad, from Bolivia, from

25:22

Cacao, from everything, a

25:24

new start. But he did need

25:26

to make good on his debts, so he took a job

25:29

as a consultant with Conservation International

25:31

in Costa Rica, living like a hermit,

25:34

saving every penny. And with

25:36

that, it seemed like the dream of wild

25:38

Cacao had died. Perhaps

25:40

it was just too hard, too remote,

25:43

too iffy. A successful coco

25:45

business requires predictability, and

25:48

Amazon eats predictability for breakfast.

25:51

But unbeknownst to Vulcar, even as he struggled

25:53

to put Coco out of his mind for good, the

25:55

seeds were taking hold on new ground,

25:58

and the next crop of cocaw lenders was

26:01

about to blossom

26:05

the same year he was walking away from the Amazon

26:08

Louisa Abraham was plunging in

26:12

year by year, just coming and

26:15

just showing them that I was not

26:17

gonna be defeated, like

26:19

I was going to persist,

26:24

And she wasn't going to let European chocolate

26:26

makers or loan sharks tell

26:28

her how to operate. She was going to

26:30

do it all on her own terms. A

26:33

new hope next week on

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Obsessions Wild Chocolate. Wild

26:44

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26:51

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