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Welcome to the Oddity Shop, where the bizarre is always on sale.

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Welcome back to the Oddity Shop, everybody.

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This is the podcast where we tell you creepy, odd, weird, strange, bizarro stories from around the world.

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I'm sitting here with Kara, whose stomach is also talking to us this morning.

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Morning, wow, evening, whatever, kara, whose stomach is also talking to us this morning, wow Evening.

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Whatever, you were making some noises as we started. Did you have dinner?

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Yeah, it's not my stomach, it was my throat that echoed from somewhere deeper than your throat.

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You know when you get those bubbles in your throat, like when you go to swallow, and it's like bubbles.

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Yeah, yeah, those bubbles came from your tongue.

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No, it's from the drink that I drank.

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Stop, you're not listening to me.

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I said my throat.

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I try not to most days. Anyways, we'll stop crapping at each other.

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How the heck are you?

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I had a horrible day. You already know this. I broke my water bottle.

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Like actually broke this time?

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Yeah, because I've already talked about it, then, if you didn't know, if you have an inhaler and it cracks, there's an extreme amount of liquid in an inhaler that I never understood, and it's yellow dye and it stains everything, so I don't know if it's good for us to be putting into our lungs.

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But it cracked in my backpack and it flooded everywhere.

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And when I mean flooded, I mean flooded. It was pouring out of the ends and the bottoms.

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I'm not I know I sound like I'm being dramatic, but I'm not.

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My fingers, my whole hands.

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You can't really see. They're stained, yellow.

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The counter at work. It's stained.

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The counter at work yellow. Okay, this is so dumb, but like I've never thought about the fact that it's a liquid, I didn't know that either, but then I was like it is like when you give it two seconds of thought, it makes sense, sense right, but it's the amount of liquid that is an inhaler is very stupid, so I ruined my backpack and my water bottle within 2.5 seconds of each other.

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Energy green. I don't have to get to work today because it's a fucking blizzard even though it's spring on the second day of spring cute, that's my day, what about?

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Well?

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if it makes me feel any better. I'm still, uh, just recovering from throwing out my back on my birthday week here, really feeling that 31 um.

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Okay, so I haven't told you this yet, but I like my anxiety gets really bad at night, right, and I was just kind of going through, like before I went to bed I was filling out my calendar for next month in may, because we planned that trip for may and we have everything for april, and I was thinking about our overnight at eloise and I just got this immense panic, like the reality of the fact set in that we're gonna be locked in there for 12 hours, and I went from like excitement to like oh my god, I'm actually kind of scared I know me too but I'm also very you know, I just keep thinking what am I gonna wear, like what's gonna get me to be at, like I could be agile and like run and fight if I need to.

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Leggings. You need to go like black turtleneck black leggings.

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I'm literally going to wear them.

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Just go full, james Bond.

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I'm literally going to wear a black sweatshirt and black leggings.

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See, I knew it.

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But then I'm like what shoes do I wear? I want to be able to run if I need to Listen.

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you just got to outrun me, and it's not that hard.

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I can push you, push you.

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Oh, my goodness.

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Oh my goodness, All right, well, you can't do that?

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Push one of the randos. No, I hope there's no lame lamers I don't have any time you have a group of people there's always one, yeah, but we'll just ignore them and push them down.

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There's not the time I want to be around lamers.

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Anyway, speaking of not lamers, shout out to Mariel for always making us fucking laugh.

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And she messaged Mariel, you killed us this week.

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She okay. So she messaged us saying that her five-year-old I think her daughter's five-year-old while, I think while she was listening to that episode of the b?

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E k bk episode, we were talking about if a kid or anyone asks you for ketchup for their apple, and her daughter was playing chef and was having ketchup and apples and she sent us a picture of it on her plate and she said she tried it.

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For us it was a what a one out of 10. She would not recommend one out of 10.

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And now she's afraid to search in Google to see if her daughter's a BEK, which I was like your daughter's, a BEK.

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Listen, mariel. We like to think of ourselves as professionals and we're going to diagnose her as not a BEK, but we also appreciate the laugh.

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You are not the father, you are not a beek oh god that's it that made me laugh so hard I was at work and I was just chuckling and then you text me.

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It was like maryl has been dying oh my gosh, it really.

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It made my day oh, okay, so all right, what do you got for me this week?

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I had to take a drink I'm just gonna edit it out.

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I don't even know why you announced it okay, are you ready?

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I'm ready, that was one time.

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Are you ready? I'm ready. Ask me one more time if I'm ready.

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That was one time. Well, you asked me like 18 times.

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What's your question? Do you know what phrenology is?

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I do because I feel like you talked about it. No.

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I've never heard of this in my life.

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I just talked about it with somebody and then I was like no, I've never heard of that.

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Feel like I just Are you sure it wasn't you?

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Anyways, I remember I just had this conversation with somebody and they told me what it was and, like a typical man, nope, I don't remember.

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A few days later, no, it was not me, because I just learned about this when I was doing this episode, so that's weird if you were talking about this.

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Okay, in the 17 and early 1800s, phrenology was the idea and study that the bumps on a person's head were linked to specific personality traits.

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Is that what you're thinking of?

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I talked about it at my acupuncture appointment.

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Oh, fun Okay.

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That's what it was.

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That's crazy, that's so fucking weird.

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Because that was just last week. Okay, I was going to say I know I had just talked about this with somebody.

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That's so fucking weird.

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I mean, it's just one of the synchronisms.

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I know, but it's a weird one because, like, what are the chances?

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Okay, so German physician Franz Josef Gall was working the theory of organology, and later the name phrenology was popularized by his assistant, and I'm going to butcher this.

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So his assistant physician and his name was Johann Gaspar Spurheim.

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We're going to go with that.

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Good enough.

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Okay, so basically they would have tarot readings, but for your head skull readings.

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Interesting.

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Okay, so Gull would measure the skull of people in prisons, hospitals, asylums, and not just measure it.

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You know he would do all his things and if you had an, odd-.

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Wait, he did like all the ratios, right.

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And if you had an odd-shaped head, he really wanted to touch it.

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Ooh.

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Okay. So by doing this, he came up with 27 different faculties that he believed corresponded to a particular region of the head.

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Okay, and this later became 35.

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And I'm going to quickly go through all these 35 very quickly, okay.

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All 35 of them.

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Really quickly. Okay, what if I just went really slow just to piss you off?

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Just get out of my head.

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Okay. So Number one Some of them are weird words, imitativeness, which is.

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You want me to tell you what they each mean or just go?

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I'm going to go. Okay, fellow program on a niffs of near, didn't have a cognizant of adhesiveness, combativeness, destructiveness, secretedness, constructiveness Again, I just already said that self-esteem, love, consciousness, benevolence, firmness.

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I'm actually scrolling really fast. I'm not reading them all because there's too many Hope, wonder, wit, imagination, individuality, form, size, weight, coloring, locality, number, order, time, tune, language.

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Okay, you get the picture. There's so many different ones and he basically would just do all these studies.

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Um, like I said, if you had an odd head, he really wanted to study you and he would basically just go to prisons, asylums, all these places and okay, do I remember this right too?

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like the, each of the 35, like things have a different spot in your brain.

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Yeah, wasn't?

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he was figuring out how the brain well, he thought that they corresponded specifically, like each spot, to a different trait.

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Okay, cool Gotcha, all right. So in August 1864 in Garnett, kansas, a town lecture.

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They had a town lecture to discuss the science of this.

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Okay, so this drew a majority of the town to join, including Mary.

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Now, phrenology isn't really have too much to do with what we're talking about, but I found it really interesting so I wanted to add it.

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So Mary goes to this lecture, okay, and Mary is the daughter of a widower, Miss Adeline Durin.

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Okay, and while Mary was at the lecture, her brother.

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I had to look this up because I thought it was silent, but it's Johnny-us or Junius, and I was like that doesn't sound right.

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I thought the J is going to be silence and it caught me off guard.

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Junius, I dig it Junius, whatever Junius.

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Okay, so Mary goes to this lecture.

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Junius was away on a business, so leaving Adeline sorry Adeline home alone.

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A nice, relaxing day of reading in solidarity Sounds so great.

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Mary later returned from the lecture with unease as she noticed open doors to the house.

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Okay, the relaxing book she was reading was left on the floor, illuminated by the lamps still lit.

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Close by was a pool of blood.

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Unfortunately, her body was found in the northeast corner of the house.

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So, without going into too much detail of the horrifying circumstances, it was obviously that she was murdered.

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Got it Later, bloody clothes of John Warren were found in the neighboring Garnett House Hotel.

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John was living in the attic and he worked for DW Houston, the original builder of the Garnett House Hotel.

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So upon questioning John, it was found that blood was on his legs and shoes, provoking a confession.

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So John was executed the next day at 1 pm, bringing in the largest public gathering Garnett had at the time.

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Yeah, Wow, they really wasted no time.

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And so they didn't even have a jail in the town, so they just hung him from like beams or whatever of like what was being built for the jail.

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Do you want ghosts?

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Okay, so now I will know that John was African American man, and a lot of people think that he was Frank.

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Ah, okay, and I was gonna say you know that whole like fair and speedy trial.

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I don't know about fair, but speedy they had down.

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So tragic shit. Before the tragic death of Adeline, there was Sarah, sarah Potter, and she was described as a large, healthy, fine looking lady.

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Would you like that to be your identifier?

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Large, healthy, fine looking.

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I mean, I probably wouldn't be explained, as you know a lady, but large and healthy is probably.

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What if they explained you as a large, healthy, fine looking.

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You know, as a chunky boy I'd take it.

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You are on a health journey and you're doing very well, so I don't even know if you can call yourself a chunky boy no more I mean, give me a couple more weeks, we'll see there's still wait.

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You could like you could get it back, or no, I'm just.

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There's still plenty of health.

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It's on like give you a couple more weeks and you'll get it back no, we're getting rid of this doughiness okay so sarah patter lived with the aldermans henry and hannah, and why is it annoying when couples have the same letter to their first initial henry and hannah alderman?

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you are so annoyed by pointless shit henry had noticed that sarah had the hats for the local named Leon Phillips, so he pushed a romance between the two Little matchmaker over here Now.

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Leon was described as an industrious young man of good character and had considerable property.

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You take that identifier.

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Considerable property. Yeah, that makes me sound weird.

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Industrious young man of good character and he had considerable property.

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Yeah, you take man of good character and he had considerable property. Yeah, you take it okay.

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Uh, yeah, no, it's pleasant, okay. So in 1860 they were wed, okay, um, from what I read, new wed what did?

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You think I said what.

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This is going great. All right, wed not wet they were wet in 18,.

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they were wet who wasn't. Okay.

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So this is a very unhinged episode already.

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I'm so sorry everybody. Okay, from what I read newlywed bliss didn't last.

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It seemed that the relationship with the aldermens didn't really help their marriage.

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I don't know what that necessarily means, but from what I'm gathering, I think that Sarah kind of just liked to hang out with her friends.

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The couples would go back and forth to each other's residence and to outsiders.

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It seemed like a blissful marriage and a friendship between all four of them.

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Six weeks into the marriage, leon got sick.

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It was said to be suspicious as Sarah was adamant that he draw up a will, so he did, dividing half of his property to his brother and the other half to Sarah.

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He died a few hours later, so either she had impeccable timing of like hey, you should probably make a will before something happens while you're sick.

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Nobody has that kind of impeccable timing.

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That's, uh, the signature move of taking out the life insurance policy so it was more suspicious of sarah when she met the elder, or she sent the eldermans to check on the details of the will just hours after he was placed into the ground.

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So she's like, hey, can you go check on all the details?

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Like, when do I get this land? oh god, she moves quick yeah, so days after leon's death, town crew grew worried that foul play was had and they made a complaint.

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Because it's 1860, you just like make complaints to people.

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It's so crazy it's just because there's no law or anything.

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They're just like let's complain. And then it just like went to some town official that was like yeah, okay, the body was exhumed and an autopsy found arsenic poisoning, shocker.

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I was going to say arsenic like that quick death yeah.

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Originally, Sarah and the Aldermans were all arrested in the thought that it was a collaborative conspiracy to kill him.

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Well, when you're sending them down to the, well, yeah.

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Right. So the Aldermans were eventually released and found innocent In the town of Garnett in 1860, there wasn't a jail.

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Like I said earlier, there wasn't a jail. So Sarah was held in the Garnett House Hotel.

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She was held there for three months and was allowed to have visitors host and entertain in the hotel.

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You know just whatever. She just had to stay there.

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But Sarah pretty easily ended up escaping again Shocker.

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Doesn't seem like it'd be that difficult.

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I'm not really sure why, but in 1862, she returns back to Kansas. Which, if you got away with murder and escaped, why would you go back?

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I'm not really sure. So she comes back and she's remarried another shocker and she was arrested and a trial was held.

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However, the jury couldn't come to a conclusion and she was acquitted, which like I don't know.

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It's just crazy oh, now they have a whole jury, right exactly.

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They don't have a jail or anything it's just crazy and she, like, was suspicious and escaped.

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I mean, if she was innocent I would have just stayed there.

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I mean, whatever they're allowing me, throw parties and have people over.

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You probably don't have to pay rent. You probably don't have to pay rent because you're being held there.

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Yeah, a little per diem party action.

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Okay, so before Sarah, there was John Brown.

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John was a favorite of favorite.

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He probably was a favorite. He was a famous abolitionist, and those that forgot.

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An abolitionist is a person who favors the abolition of a practice or institution, especially capital punishment or slavery.

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Yep, john hid slaves traveling from missouri in the attic of the garnett house hotel until it was safe for them to escape to canada.

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Um, making this part of the underground railroad operation.

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So he did. So he did a lot of work, like he's really well known for that kind of work.

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So the name sounds familiar.

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So after Adeline, sarah and John in the 1950s were a husband and wife doctor duo and their names I cannot find.

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I don't know why they're in every single article about how they're an infamous doctor duo or you know, like a white husband and wife duo, and I cannot find their names anywhere and I find that so bizarre.

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But anyway, their practice operated out of the Garnett House Hotel, each having a practice of their own throughout the house, so you could go to them for pretty much anything delivering your babies, your dying operations, whatever.

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How big is this building?

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Let me keep going, please.

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Okay.

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They even had a pharmacy and a laboratory.

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So this practice continued into the 21st century until the husband died.

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So for whatever reason and this I don't understand the practice kept a secretary, staffed and on payroll for years after it closed.

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Can you imagine being like? I'm going to go to work every single day even though this practice is closed, but I'm literally getting paid to just sit here for no apparent reason?

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Was she actually having to go or were they just paying her?

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Like hey, we're closing down and feel bad.

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And I don't get it, I can't think of.

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I was actually trying to find it and I was also trying to understand.

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What would the thought process in that be?

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Yeah, the only thing I could think of is like if she was a family friend and you felt bad for closing it down, like all right, we'll pay you a couple more years, but you know the business isn't open.

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But I don't see why you'd have to show up.

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Yeah, I don't know. The only other thought Okay.

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Well, if you haven't already put it together, all these stories have one place in common, and is the 1858 Garnett House Hotel.

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I hadn't put that together.

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You didn't. You're dumb.

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I need my phrenology read. Okay, where's my dumb zone?

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Built in Kansas in 1858 on sacred native land sat on.

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The highest point of elevation was the Garnett House.

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Oh, say no more, it's haunted.

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Built by DW Houston.

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Dw's wife refused to stay in the house once it was built because she said it swayed.

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And it's weird because the house is still structurally sound today.

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So the thought is that maybe because it was at the highest point of elevation at that time and maybe like a storm came through, it freaked her out, but regardless, that same year the house then became a 15 room hotel.

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Ok, they barely even stayed into this.

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He had this wonderful house mansion thing built and she's like, yeah, no, I'm not doing it.

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And he's like happy wife, happy life. We're out of here Exactly.

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So, and I'm pretty sure that his son, he gave it to his son to operate, I'm pretty sure once it got to a hotel.

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But then I saw some parts that said he operated it.

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So I'm not quite sure. I think it just stayed in the family, okay, so this is where we cue John Brown and his amazing work he did to free the slaves.

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And by 1860, we get the Black Widow, murderous Sarah, poisoning her husband.

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1864 brings us the tragic death of Adeline and the possible framing of John Warren.

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And then during the 1870s the house saw a plethora of famous guests Buffalo Bill, belle Starr, which she's a renowned female cowboy Jesse James Houdini, that's just to name a few.

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So it was jumping. And then in 1885, orphaned children actually called the 1858 Garnett house their temporary home.

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So basically the house switched careers over and over and over again, and then once again it switched in 1850 when we got our doctor duo.

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Over all the years the 1858 Garnett house hotel was has been said to have been a house, a hotel, a school, an orphanage, an apartment, a jail, a brothel, a KKK meeting place, which is crazy because it also was part of the Underground Railroad.

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I was going to say that's two different ends of the spectrum right there.

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And a doctor's office. That's insane.

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That's so many things.

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Can you guess, what this only surviving antebellum structure in this town is now?

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Is it a haunted house?

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Ding ding ding the 1858 Garnett Demon House, to be exact.

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I feel when you were saying, like Houdini and Jesse James and stuff, I feel like I have heard of this one.

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So, before we even get any further, I just there's just I don't know why.

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I know there's like a lot of history and a lot of older houses, but I was like, why is this so jam-packed with just so much?

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I mean throughout the time.

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It kind of makes sense would be a few different businesses, but yeah, it's a lot it's like okay, we held a murderer lady there just because we had nowhere else to put her, like maybe a man that murdered a woman, there weren't that many buildings okay kkk met in the basement.

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But then we, when we held slave, where we, like you know, helped slaves be freed and hid them in the attic I don't think he was at the same time- I would hope not.

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It's not funny. Okay, there's a lot going on, I know.

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That's my point. It was like wild. So, as I do most Sundays, I was watching Twin Paranormal and they visited this house and hearing the history, like I was just saying, and some of like all the wild things that happened, I was like really intrigued.

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So then I also watched another paranormal group that visited they're called the Paranormal Files.

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In both videos they did a really great job of like giving you a bunch of the history from both, so shout out to them.

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They did a really great job. Okay, in 2017, justin spurrier bought the house for the purpose of it being a haunted location.

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This would totally this is funny. So when he was being shown the house, the realtor and himself heard a little girl's voice and she was like obviously unnerved and like ready to leave.

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And he's like you heard that, right? And she's like, yeah, like she wanted to leave, but he said that that finalized the sale for him I mean honestly, it would do the same I mean, if you're, if that's what your purpose is is you're getting a haunted location.

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He already owns another one in kansas, so this was like another haunted property that he wanted to have.

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So it's funny. But she's like all freaked out.

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She's probably like, oh God, I hope he didn't hear that because, like he won't buy this house if he knows it's haunted and he's just like where do I sign?

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This is it.

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Okay, so now let's get into some of the things that commonly happen here.

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Multiple people that do investigations.

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I was reading a lot in like the couple of videos I watched.

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They state that this house has objects moved more than any location that they've ever been to, Like people were saying that, like they've been to locations where they're like hey, I think that moved or whatever.

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But this is like there's no doubt things moved or was thrown at you or tossed or whatever, and it's like a lot.

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Did it say like what typically moves, or just everything?

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Yeah, a lot of stuff, I think. Oh, here, actually, my next line is so um, because obviously it's just creepy.

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They have like dolls around the house, like placed throughout the house, and the dolls are often dropped or thrown off of wherever they are placed, so like they'll just like come crashing down off of like a shelf or like wherever they're at.

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So that happens quite a bit like. There's a lot of videos of that.

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It's said that the energy changes daily in the house.

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Like they'll go in there and it'll feel great and awesome and then you know, the next day it just feels dark and just like really, really bad.

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And Justin said that it's like the house is playing hide and seek, like you'll be looking and looking and looking and like it'll be playing hide and seek with you without like, until it shows itself, and it always shows itself like it might take a while, but you're always gonna get something like you're never gonna visit such a creepy way to describe it yes, the house is playing hide and seek with you until it shows itself, is what he said, and I had chills and, like I said, he's like, it always shows itself.

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It might take an, it might sometimes it takes 30 seconds of you walking in, but you're always going to get something.

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They do often hear um boots walking on the porch a lot to the point where a lot of the guests are like or I shouldn't say guests, but people.

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Well, yeah, people that are visiting are always like, like is somebody, like they're expecting somebody to be walking up or walk in or at least the door.

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Somebody knock on the door but no one will be there.

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But it's like one of those like, you know where you're adamant, like, no, that's a person.

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Right, like you just know.

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It's one of those like where they're like okay, yeah, somebody's walking up on the porch or whatever.

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Nope, Disembodied voices are often heard a lot to the naked ear and they're also on a lot of EVPs.

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I don't, I don't know why. That really creeps me out.

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And I don't know what EVPs no disembodied voices, and I don't like the word disembodied.

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I understand it, but it just creeps me out.

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What would you prefer, just?

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voices, they're just voices.

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Just because they're yeah, but voices could imply they came from somebody who's still embodied Ghostly voices.

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If you Google voices, I bet you the definition doesn't say embodied. I'll take you up on that bet later, okay, so people are often hissed at and this would send me because, like, don't hiss, that's so rude can you go in and teach him a thing or two about manners?

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Can you imagine being hissed at? And you don't mean I live with a cat yeah, but like you can see small's cute little face yes, it doesn't really hiss much.

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Sometimes I hiss at julia, but that's just when she turns all the lights on and we are like a not an overhead light household.

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Yeah, but it's more of like a vampire hiss than like a cat hiss well, don't hiss at me ghosts, okay.

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Um, because of the objects being thrown.

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Often it's, of course, related to like poltergeist activity.

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However, objects aren't the only things that are being touched.

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Along with touching and poking, there are some pushing.

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They like to touch and push you poking and pushing.

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It's all happening at the garden house yeah.

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So if you're at the top of the stairs, justin suggests that you don't have your back towards the stairwell, because people often feel like they're like something's trying to push them down.

26:09

So not necessarily if you're walking up the stairs, but if you're at the top of the stairs and you're just kind of like standing there, that's when people are like they feel like something's trying to push them down.

26:20

Don't like that.

26:21

I hate it. Okay, he was talking about an encounter one time where he this is, so this creeps me out where he was leaving the house, okay, and he said that he has it's not a tesla, but it's like he has like all the whatever.

26:35

It's a jaguar, he said, and it has like the features where it'll show people walking in front, like on the screen.

26:40

You know how they always show tesla, show like the person and it says if you take it through a car.

26:44

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay so he's.

26:47

He's um in his car, right, so he's leaving the house.

26:50

He gets in his car, he turns it on and the sensor is showing like there's somebody walking in front of his car.

26:54

This is creepier got it this is creepier.

26:56

Then in the passenger seat the sensor goes off.

27:00

You know where it shows, like the airbag sensor, like there's pressure, somebody's sitting, that fucking goes off.

27:05

So somebody was just going for a ride, so somebody walked in front of his car and got in.

27:09

Listen. He. He was just, yeah, trying to hitch a ride somewhere oh, places to be man, that's so creepy I know, but it's so creepy when you can visually see the sensors of things going off and you're like, oh shit, they're following me, it's when it's time to pull out the Florida water.

27:26

Okay, so him and his family will camp on the property sometimes.

27:30

So one night he was giving a tour for a team that was doing an investigation and him and his wife were going to be camping on the property.

27:37

So his wife was in the tent and so she called him and asked, like what he was doing with the lamp.

27:45

And he's like, like well, I'm upstairs in the house.

27:48

Like what lamp? Like what are you talking about?

27:51

In the video he's actually, he's really funny. He's like like I'm an old man walking around with like a lamp.

27:55

Like what do you think I'm? doing right, and so she's like she said it looked like in the tent all she because it was dark out.

28:01

All she could see was somebody like walking around the tent but all she could could see was like the light, like a lantern light, and he was looking out the window at the tent while he was on the phone with her and he couldn't see anything and she was watching.

28:13

Oh, he couldn't see it at all.

28:14

She only could. But he was looking out the window and could see her tent and she's like I'm watching it right now.

28:19

It's like in front of the tent, like walking, and he couldn't see it, that couldn't see it, that's uncomfortable isn't that weird like I don't know if I was in that tent, I feel like I'd feel a little bit more comfortable with somebody who's validating me make me not feel crazy but like if you're talking to somebody who's literally looking at you and not seeing the same thing you're experiencing yeah, that's terrifying.

28:37

What's that all about? That's weird. During a lot of investigations people claim to get evps and other evidence that john warren innocent and he was framed for that murder, which he probably was.

28:47

Let's get real, it's so sad. And then there's also, like kind of randomly, an entity that goes by David and he likes to take a lot of credit for all the things that happen in the house.

28:57

So shout out to David how does he take the credit?

29:00

Because, like he'll say, he's doing it like you know jokes.

29:05

Okay, little fucker, he probably just Well, I was kind of feeling like a prankster spirit when you were saying the way the energy plays hide and seek and that kind of stuff and like throws dolls at you and shit.

29:15

Okay. So the basement, I guess, is kind of often forgotten upon investigations.

29:20

Because of everything else that goes on in the house, People kind of forget to even go investigate the basement, probably just because they're scared because I would be.

29:28

But if you do go to the basement it has a lot of childlike activity and we know how I feel about that.

29:35

It could be real or something.

29:37

You love children.

29:38

Yeah, something posing as a child, and that's just not what we want.

29:43

And also there was like KKK members doing weird shit down there, so why would we?

29:48

Let's not go down there. And also in the basement.

29:51

Many times you see glowing eyes, so glowing eyes and children.

29:56

I'll stay upstairs with David.

29:58

Okay, are you ready for the worst part of being at the 1858 Garnett House Hotel?

30:09

Ask me one more time if I'm ready.

30:11

Well, this is the first time I asked you if you're ready for the worst part.

30:14

You've said it every other time. Yeah, but it's only funny when I say it.

30:17

I'm just repeating what I thought Okay, oh my god, I am ready.

30:20

Okay, the Grinner.

30:22

Nope, I'm not ready.

30:23

Yeah, the Grinner is a human slash beast, never fully one or the other, which is creepier than just being half or whatever.

30:34

You know what I mean. It's like you're just never one or the other.

30:36

It has long, bony, strange fingers and sometimes he's seen with hooves.

30:44

It has razor sharp teeth and if you see it, it grins from ear to ear showing off those razors Ew.

30:54

That's a demon.

30:55

It's tall and it's about the height of a ceiling.

30:58

It kind of reminds me of when we were talking about the full moon, that like weird half horse creature thing, yeah, but this is not, I don't, don't know.

31:10

Yeah, that thing just left some jewelry.

31:11

this seems a lot more devious, I'll take the jewelry right the grinner is usually in one particular room and in that room there's like a wall bookshelf you know what I'm talking about.

31:18

Like it's a really tall bookshelf kind of on the whole wall, kind of built in.

31:22

Well, it's not really built in, but it's just really big, whatever.

31:25

I don't know what I'm talking about. It tends to lean against it while grinning like casually, leaning like with its oh my god, can you?

31:35

I don't even know what I would do if I saw that thing grinning at me, but the fact that it's just like you would push me forward and you would run away the fact, though, that it's just like nonchalantly leaning on the bookshelf while grinning is maybe it likes book so terrifying.

31:53

Yeah, okay, uh, it will physically attack you or make you feel a type of way, as I'm sure you can imagine.

31:58

Um, how are you feeling?

32:02

uncomfortable, I know I don't even like talking about like I kind of wanted to go until this part because, like the trickster, the prankster stuff, that all sounds fun.

32:09

I know, okay, I'm thinking this, this grinning thing is probably, uh, the cause of some of our deaths over the years, right, okay, so people get haunted by just watching live streams of the house.

32:21

Oh, so justin received separate emails from different people and, like he, he said, different states.

32:26

You know who's Justin? Again, he's the owner. Okay, the current owner.

32:29

He basically said he got all these emails about people that watched the live streams.

32:34

Four of the claims from the emails stated that they watched it and, like paranormal experiences started happening for them after, and three of the four sent a drawing with their letter of what they saw.

32:47

And it matches the Grinner.

32:49

And at the time Justin hadn't shared about the Grinner and he has a picture.

32:53

So if you I can send you the link. But if you watch the video, he does have a picture now that somebody drew of what they saw and it matches, like all the other emails.

33:01

But he has it in the house. It is fucking terrifying, and it's of him leaning against the bookshelf.

33:11

Like if it's being able to do that through this, like streams and everything like that, like it's a safe spot.

33:16

The alleged murderer.

33:17

John, sarah the husband killer, orphan children that want to play Patients that maybe took their last breath in that location, or, like you just said, all of it, just all of them in one, probably a little bit.

33:48

So a brisk, 12-hour drive and $350, we can go.

33:53

Let's see how Eloise goes next month, and then let's do it okay so I know this is probably a little bit shorter, but I just thought it was crazy.

34:01

So we can kind of discuss, but like it was just weird to me that like there's, so do they do they ever draw any ties between all, like the weird deaths, or explain any of that, or is that?

34:11

just more like, hey, these things happen, yeah.

34:14

So it's just like a ton of the history.

34:16

But I find, like the history obviously makes all the energy and stuff like that.

34:20

So it's like right. I feel like, like you said, it's all of that stuff had a you know like the, yeah, that manifestation of the darkness, yeah sarah's a murderer and she was basically, yeah, she was kind of free, but she was imprisoned in the house.

34:32

So all all her you know the hiccups are great, All her murderous energy was in there, right.

34:37

But then you also had somebody that did live there and he was accused of being a murderer and probably wasn't.

34:43

So that's just awful and sad. That energy is all bundled up in there.

34:47

Then you had a bunch of orphaned children living there and I'm like glad that they got to stay there because it's nice, but like also that's sad.

35:00

They're little orphans, so those are all horrible feelings did I?

35:02

did I understand you, correct you when you said it's like the last standing thing in that town?

35:04

Still, um, it's the lat. No, it's the last antebellum. What is it called antebellum structure?

35:07

I can't say what does that mean?

35:09

that's just the type of the house from that. Okay, that century I gotcha antebellum antebellum I can't say it, yeah, yeah yeah, no.

35:16

So it's just like. It's just like the oldest.

35:18

No, it's no okay it's like the older structure in the town gotcha because, it's built in 1858.

35:24

Oh yeah, that's why it's called the eight.

35:26

Really it's built well, I had no idea.

35:28

Thank you well, you're dumb, clearly so, but also, you could have just thought that that was the address I did that there are listeners that thought that was the address, and that's okay, because I played it off that way for the majority of the episode.

35:43

Did you think it was the address?

35:45

no, I didn't. You're looking at me. Like you said, the 1858 garnet house.

35:49

You wouldn't say like my address, the what like a hundred and 160 something years old.

35:56

So anyway, um, I was gonna ask but you kind of already said it like what do you think?

36:01

Do you think it's like a bunch of different things?

36:03

like because the kids in the basement really could just be the orphan kids just playing around yeah, no, it definitely seems like you have, like some like that childhood, some of the creepy energy or like the prankster energy.

36:14

Right, the trickster, that's the word I'm looking for, but like I don't know what you know, you know how I feel about, like the native american lore right oh, I know things, that that that comes around with right.

36:24

So you have like something like the grinner. That's obviously bad natured and has that maybe been there since the house started like she didn't want to live in it originally?

36:35

that's what there's wife I'm glad that you brought that up, because that's kind of what I was thinking.

36:40

I wonder if it wasn't that and it was something else that she just didn't want to say like oh, it's not right it doesn't feel safe here, it would be easier like it's when you have that much history of like odd deaths and murders and everything like that much negativity, like there's something almost feeling like around the land maybe more than the house itself that made it that way.

36:59

Yeah, and there's like so much other just crazy stuff and deaths that I didn't even get into.

37:04

But like you know, it was, like I said, a brothel.

37:07

It was a jail a little bit like for other people at some point.

37:10

Like it was so many different things and so many people died in that house, especially when it became a doctor's office, because people just die when you know you're getting operated on and stuff like that.

37:19

But like I don't know why. I just like can't get over how many things this house has been.

37:24

I know that's dumb and cares. Is kara somebody's like kara open a fucking book and read about other things?

37:28

because they've been other things I know I know, shut the fuck up so that I mean I think I've told you about the haunted B&B that my family almost bought growing up.

37:36

It was the same thing.

37:38

I wish you did.

37:39

So it was. At one point it was like there was a doctor office in there.

37:42

At one point it was like a Mexican, not Mexican, a German chicken restaurant what the fuck?

37:48

I feel like those like those big prominent houses like that in small communities.

37:52

It's just like well, it's already here yeah, let's make it this next thing if you look it up, it's not even any.

37:58

I mean, yeah, it was at one point like a 15 room hotel, but like you got to think that the rooms, then what they made them into, or they were small little things, you know what I mean.

38:07

So like it's not that big, yeah because I pulled up when, right after when you told me to be patient and wait to see how big it was, I pulled up a picture and yeah, it's not no, it's not what I was expecting yeah, everyone should.

38:18

It's giving up very much like mining town building yes, yes, so yeah, no.

38:23

I just thought this was interesting, and so I did try so hard to go deep down into reddit to see if we had any like reddit people that um wrote about their experience there, but I couldn't find anything.

38:34

So definitely interesting, a new place to add to our road trip list.

38:38

So we'll just have to go so we can write on Reddit about it yes.

38:42

But anyway, I agree, I do think it's probably a collection of a lot of things and energy, because there's just too much that happened there, too much bad juju, but also a lot of fun things happen there too.

38:53

So that's why I do think some days it's playful, it's like what wants to take over, and that's kind of what they say is that the energy is completely different some days Like, some days it's like you can't His son Austin.

39:03

He's like older teenager or whatever.

39:05

But he's like. There are some days I walk in here and I'm the one that wanted to come and investigate and he's just like I can't be here.

39:11

It kind of gives me that same vibe of like what Andrea Perrin was saying about the Conjuring House.

39:16

Yeah, that's actually a good point.

39:17

The energies are always changing. It's more of that portal sort of place where things can just come through.

39:23

Yep, yep, yep, all right. Well, that was the 1858 Garnet House Hotel 1858, the year, not the address.

39:30

You heard it here, folks.

39:32

Great job, cara, great job. Can we get the fuck out of here, oh?

39:34

you love me, all right.

39:36

So, with that being said, if you've ever gotten to visit the garnet house and had any experiences of your own, not like that.

39:43

What did I say?

39:44

garnet, like the gem stone, it's garnet that garnet both spelled the exact same way garnet is g-a-r-n-e-t.

39:50

This is garnet g-a-r-n-e t-t. Oh, this is Garnett G-A-R-N-E-T-T.

39:55

Oh, I'm so sorry. All right, well, if you've had any experiences with the Garnett house, I don't want you to get haunted.

40:01

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40:10

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40:13

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40:17

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40:20

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40:30

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40:34

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40:37

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