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Welcome to the oddity shop , where

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Hey , welcome in your eyeballs . I'm your curator

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that's up our nose , so just

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talk about creepy , odd , weird , strange

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stories and how far you can put

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I don't know why . I was bored

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, I was distracted , I like stuck it up

1:05

there and it went like a good two and a half , like it

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was one of those things where I didn't mean to

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do what I was doing , right , it just started to happen , but

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then I got like fixated on it and I'm like it

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went up further than I thought , so then I was like measuring

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it . It was . It was almost two and a half inches

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, like it's to get an Apple .

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Watch . Here's the thing I

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just witnessed it .

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I had , while I was proud of myself , so I had to show

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her .

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All right . Well , what's new than

1:29

that ?

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I bought myself a Christmas gift

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Me too For you . I guess it's January

1:35

11th , so yeah yeah , it's later

1:37

than we should be talking about . Christmas

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, but I bought myself a wireless

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cuteness keyboard Right

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Like the couple of red buttons on it . It's just

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. It's very sleek , it's very minimalist

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, but it also is like light up or something

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looks clean .

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Yeah , see , it doesn't look lit up . Oh

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OK , can I change colors , can

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it yeah ?

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Oh , I only have it on the white mode right now . Ok

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, there , I don't remember the controls . There's

2:01

a way to change it to like rainbow colors and shit . But

2:03

yeah , you we also mean Julia over

2:05

the last week have rewatched

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all six Lord of the Ring movies . Oh

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, that's my favorite thing to do . Oh , it's been so

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long to and .

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I love it so .

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I've tried to get her to watch them with me in the past , she's never watched

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them . She's watched , like the original

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trilogy when it came out and stuff . Like I

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think she watched them all and they came out , but like

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we got really nerdy into it because

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I know a lot about it , and like she spent she

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started watching the Hobbit with her dad when she was home for

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Thanksgiving and like he knew a lot , so we

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were like getting into all the lore behind

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it and everything and that would be fun episodes

2:37

. Oh , like oddities in

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the Lord of the Rings universe

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. I love it . All right , we'll do that .

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It's just so good , it is just so fabulous

2:46

, and I think I watched every

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single one of them in theaters Same

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.

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The only thing that's hard now , though , is like the

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original trilogy is not . The CGI

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is not holding up that great anymore , so it's

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not that bad Shut up .

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I've been watching Buffy . I think it's fine

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.

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Like I think like the I've Sauron and

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all of that kind of stuff looks really great , but

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golem just looks terrible .

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Leave my boy Hello .

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Oh my God , he would be your brother . I love him so much

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.

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All right , I bought myself . Here's

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the thing it went to a really good

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cause . So even if somebody thinks it's

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dumb or no , no , no , but like it

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did , and that was . That was really the reason

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why I bought it , like I wanted it . But

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I don't think if if it would have went OK

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anyway . So today was the last

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day that I could buy this , and

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then it was gone forever . And I've been

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waiting for like weeks debating , and

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so today I was like , oh my God , I didn't

3:41

realize this last day . So it is

3:43

like the original not

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original , but it looks like the original jerseys

3:48

that they wear in One Tree Hill , like the

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basketball team . And so there's one

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. There's one that's

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Chad Michael Murray .

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I knew it was the One Tree Hill .

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Chad Michael Murray's character , and then there's one that's James

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Lafferty's character and I could not

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decide on which one I wanted and that's

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so you got both . No , oh hell , no , they're expensive

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. So I

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I went with Chad Michael

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Murray's ultimately , because my husband's like dude

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Chad's , because he liked your real and he

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was your favorite character . As I get older

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, my characters change , so he's my OG , so

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I did get his right in number three . So

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it's hand stitched , it's beautiful . I

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had to get the signed one because

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I said to Aaron I said do you think I'm

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ever in my lifetime going to meet him ? Because I really would love to go to

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a meet and group , but they're so fucking expensive

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, you know . And Aaron's like yeah , and

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so Aaron's like no , you're never going to meet him . I'm like all

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right . Well then it goes from $45 to $80

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, which I know is not that expensive , but

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it kind of is . I'm not going to buy both , so anyway , right

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.

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For a shirt .

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you'll never wear it I don't get it for like

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10 weeks or more , but

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all the proceeds go to St Jude's

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Children's Research .

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Oh , that's cute .

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And it's because of their 20th anniversary of Montreal . So

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that's why it's like after tonight it's done

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an overwist , so I had to get it , so I did .

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I was starting , by the way , just about things being

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shipped and taking a while . I was

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starting to think I got ripped off for some of your Christmas

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gifts because they kept saying they had been shipped and never

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showed up , and finally one of

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the two of them showed up . So I think I'm in the

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clear .

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One of yours gave today . It is so fucking

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good and when you open

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, I have to record you opening it . Oh my God

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, it is so good .

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So yours ? I was like to Julia

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because it came in like the

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Amazon bag , right , but then it was like

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its own bag inside the bag that you couldn't see

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through . But there was a sticker on that bag saying what it was

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. So

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I said to Julia , I'm like I really want to see it , but I like I'm not

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going to open it . Oh , open it , what the fuck .

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Well , then I was like I'm going to open it .

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Well then , the sticker on there

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that said exactly what it was . I'm like I don't want her to

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like know , so yeah , I'm going to try

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to peel the sticker off and when I went to peel the sticker

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off it ripped the bag off . I'm like we're going to look now .

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So I don't give a shit . Um , I have

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one , I think

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I just have one more thing , because I've never

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told you this and I just not

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, not for a reason . There's no reason

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I'm not told you this , but you just don't know this about me

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, and my

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obsession is just getting

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increasingly worse , not worse , I don't

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care . I have been

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obsessed with Jelly Roll

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and his wife Bunny . I am

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obsessed with them . They're amazing

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who . You don't know who . Okay , goodbye

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. You don't know who .

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Jelly Roll is . I don't know who these people are . No

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, is that a rapper ?

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No , not anymore . He's a country singer . I don't even link

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it for his music . His music is great . You

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would know Jelly Roll . He's everywhere , he's breaking

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records and he's just like such a fucking

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amazing human and here's why I

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love them . He's an ex-convict

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and she's an ex-hooker and

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they are the biggest powerhouse

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. It is insane what

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they've built themselves and how openly I

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love it .

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But it's also taken me back to that conversation we

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had a couple months back where

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you had said to me you're like . I remember

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when I was like a couple years younger . I always

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said I would never be that person who

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says what the hell are younger people listening

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to on the radio these days ? And then we realized we

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became those people .

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I have no idea who you're talking about . Oh , let me clarify

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. I saw Jelly Roll in concert

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, but I don't .

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Okay .

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I like his music , but I don't actually really listen to it . I'm

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going to be putting it on this .

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I love them for the people that they are . You just like them

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, okay , gotcha .

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And her dump . She has a podcast and it's fucking

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insane . They're incredible

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people . Every is so heartbreaking

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and how fantastic they're doing

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. I just don't , I can't even get over it . I'm

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just obsessed with them and I just I

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just get increasingly .

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Is it the normal ?

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Yeah , only because last night I was like honey . I have a problem . I

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can not stop fucking watching Jelly

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Roll and Bunny Deforce , shit , like I

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am fucking obsessed and

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I don't want anyone to come to me . Come

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for me . I still say I'm going to be on my list

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, but now my new list is how

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do we get to where we can

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be on her podcast ?

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Oh , my God .

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That's . She don't even need to be on ours

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. I want to be on hers Center

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. Little lover , she's too big . I don't

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know how you do it , she's just incredible , okay

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.

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Well , while we wait for that to happen , are you ready

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for a question ? Probably not . Okay

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, it's a two-part question . It's not

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as vague as I usually leave them for you . I

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know the answer to part one , but I need to ask it for

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part two . Have you ever

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gone into a cave , either on

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your own or on a tour ?

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Yeah .

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Was it on your own or on a tour ? That's

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actually Now . I'm just adding , because you

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gave me only one word . Now it's a three-part question

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.

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Well , on tours . I've gone . Have

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I ever gone by myself ? Probably

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, when I was just when we've been exploring

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places . Okay , I don't

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want to hear this story . I'm done

8:50

with it already . I haven't even finished asking

8:52

the damn question . Yeah , but I'm already

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done , I'm gone , I'm not participating

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.

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What's the creepiest thing you've ever encountered on

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a tour of a cave ?

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Do you know the answer to this ? Because I don't

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.

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I said I knew the first part . I don't know the second part .

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I don't know . They're all kind of creepy .

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See , for me it was cave crickets , because

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I was really excited to see a cave cricket

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and they look like giant fucking

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spiders and that's the creepiest thing I've ever

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seen in the cave .

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Ew .

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Yeah , they're horrifying .

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Oh , I don't even know if I've ever heard of that .

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Yeah , they're gross , look

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them up later .

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No .

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They have like extra long antenna

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and legs because their eyes don't work , because

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it's dark as shit .

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Yeah , because you go blind .

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So , anyway , we're talking about caves this week . Yeah

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, I'm , I'm not gonna lie , I actually I

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was going to and I had started researching . Nutty putty

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doing the story of Nutty Putty and

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literally , as I did

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one day of research and I had a long

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drive , I was gonna listen to some podcasts and our lovely

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friends at Morbid who do a great job on everything

9:53

that they do , but they had just released a Nutty Putty episode .

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Did you listen to that episode ? Yes

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, I did , and it's horrifying Did you cry Because

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I did no , but I

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almost had to turn it off and that is very rare

10:03

, that something that I listen to makes

10:06

me turn it off .

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Then I did listen to it and I was like , okay , this

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is a little darker

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than I wanted to go . So instead

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Thank God , because I can't do it I'm

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gonna talk to you about five caves .

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Oh , my God no .

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And these are some of the creepiest caves that I could find

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. Now I did try to keep it , though where they're like

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it's creepy and weird , but it's

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less like Traumatizing . Traumatizing

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Because the Nutty Putty story is actually

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really , really sad , and just

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trying to put yourself in that man's mind

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.

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Oh , I can't even , honestly , that episode

10:40

sent me I don't know where it sent

10:42

me , but most of it an emo little

10:44

bitch lately and that I , oh my

10:46

God , couldn't do it . I just died

10:49

.

10:49

I'm okay with doing the cave tour . It's a big

10:51

cave right . Yeah , me too . But

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these people who go spulunking

10:55

into these tiny caverns that have

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to slide on their bellies through things

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and whatnot .

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Spulunking is , I won't say stupid

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, because I understand

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it's definitely like an adrenaline junkie

11:07

thing . Yeah , and I don't understand

11:09

personally , but I do understand . It's

11:12

just like wanting to climb Mount Everest and

11:14

stuff like that . So I understand it

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to an extent , but I will never understand

11:18

it and people need to stop doing it .

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Fair enough . Well , I'm

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going to take you through five creepy

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freaking cra-crave Craves . Creepy

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freaking caves today

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. Are you ready ?

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No , my sewing already hurts .

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Well , the first cave we're going to so

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you just don't care , no

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, I don't care , you're stuck with me Is

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the Buffalo Cave . Yeah , and

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we have to start with a little bit of a backstory .

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The story starts with a man named no .

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No , it's just in a place called .

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Buffalo .

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Actually it's not even in a place called Buffalo . It's a Buffalo

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Cave in Du Bois , idaho , but

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whatever .

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Idaho . No , you'd-a-ho . Remember

12:02

, we bought shirts .

12:03

Yes , stupid . Okay . So

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our story starts with a gentleman named

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Joseph Henry Loveless , loveless

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, loveless . He

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was born in 1870 near Du Bois

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, idaho . He's kind

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of reckless , like he has

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a criminal career life . He's arrested

12:22

and escapes jail multiple times

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and every time he does , he

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basically just picks a new name and takes a

12:28

new wife .

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So he's not Loveless . I mean good

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for him .

12:32

I mean , I don't think he has much love to give , but

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he ends up marrying a woman named

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Agnes after escaping one time

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. I love that name . He was his third

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wife , I believe . How

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old is he ? Well , he was born in 1870

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, and this story is in 1916

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. So he would be 46 .

12:52

All right , third wife at 46 . Okay

12:54

.

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So May 5th 1916 , him

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and Agnes are reported by their neighbors

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to have a very loud fight

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, and in a rage

13:04

that evening Mr Loveless

13:06

takes an axe and

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murders his wife . Yeah

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, basically a very Lizzie bored and asked murder

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.

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Wait , but I don't think Lizzie did

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it . I don't know .

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Yeah , well , that's a whole different thing , anyways

13:20

, so his two kids are home and awake

13:22

at the time that he actually murders

13:24

Agnes . He's obviously quickly

13:27

arrested and taken to jail yeah

13:29

, terrible . And at her funeral

13:31

one of the children is quoted saying

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Papa never stays in jail very long

13:35

. He'll be out soon .

13:38

Oh , ooh , I don't like that .

13:40

Two days later , may 18th

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or not two days , because he kills her on May 5th

13:44

. So 13 days later , may 18th

13:47

1916 , 5.30pm

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, he successfully breaks

13:51

out of jail by song through the

13:53

bars while he has a buddy

13:55

distract the guards .

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So you probably met two days after her funeral .

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Yeah , yeah .

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Oh , I don't like

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that .

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So anyways , we're going to fast forward . That was 1916

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. Now it's 1979 . And

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a family near Deboi , Idaho

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, is out exploring the Buffalo

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Cave system . They're

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looking for like arrowheads and other

14:19

like kind of artifacts and stuff and just kind

14:21

of searching through . So it's mom and dad and young daughter

14:23

. So the young daughter

14:26

kind of like runs ahead and after

14:28

digging around she discovers

14:30

, wrapped in burlap , the remains

14:33

of a torso .

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Why did she open that ? Well , I think that would

14:36

.

14:36

No , no , no , she was looking for stuff , right . This

14:39

is like a huge mystery and actually remains

14:41

until 1991

14:43

. So that was 79 . 1991

14:46

, March 30th , another girl exploring

14:48

the cave system finds a mummified

14:50

hand wrapped in burlap . So

14:53

now investigators are like we're

14:55

opening this case again and they start to just excavate

14:58

the entire cave system . They also

15:00

find an arm , first the

15:02

second arm and then two legs , all

15:04

wrapped separately , buried apart from each other , wrapped

15:07

in burlap . So the local

15:09

authorities bring in like anthropology

15:11

students , they call the FBI and

15:14

then experts from the Smithsonian

15:16

to help identify the remains . They

15:19

were able to identify that it was a man

15:21

around the age of 40 who had been

15:23

likely wearing a maroon sweater . And

15:27

they are like well , he's been here for at least

15:29

six months , but possibly up to 10 years or

15:31

more , which is stupid , what ? Because in

15:33

91 , they find most of the body parts , but in 79

15:35

, they find the torso . But at least , as far

15:37

as science can tell them , at least six

15:39

months , if not 10 years or more .

15:41

I mean , I guess , unless they were thinking it was different body

15:43

. But how do you get six months to 10

15:45

years ? That doesn't seem right , they

15:47

know .

15:49

They know they're never able to

15:51

make an idea on the remains

15:53

until quite some more time ahead

15:56

. What they could tell , though , is that the body

15:58

was dismembered with sharp tools after

16:01

death to make its remains easier to hide

16:03

in the cave . So , in 2019

16:06

, comes in with

16:08

a DNA DOE project

16:10

. They're a nonprofit

16:12

company that helps ID bodies that

16:14

have never been identified

16:16

using forensic genealogy , basically

16:19

like how they called the Golden State Killer . So

16:22

for the last decade , we've been

16:24

doing all these DNA tests to figure out

16:26

our lineage , while the cops and FBI

16:29

and investigators are using that to also

16:31

figure out old crimes .

16:32

And I'm Paul .

16:33

Holes , yes , so

16:35

they're able to identify that the body

16:37

came from a family of

16:39

lovelesses .

16:41

This is OK . I like that you're

16:43

doing . You're giving me like a murder

16:45

at least .

16:46

Right Further . They go back

16:48

and start to look for missing

16:51

people from that family and they find the wanted

16:53

poster explaining what

16:55

Henry Joseph or Joseph Henry Loveless

16:57

was wearing when he escaped jail , which

16:59

was a maroon sweater . Oh , so

17:01

they're like Well

17:03

, this is probably who it

17:05

is .

17:07

That's so interesting . So he escaped

17:09

, but then he was potentially murdered

17:12

and butchered .

17:13

And if he's wearing the same clothes he escaped

17:16

from prison with , like he was murdered

17:18

pretty damn quickly , right ? Ok

17:20

, so the body isn't just

17:22

10 years old , the body is

17:24

100 years old yeah this is actually

17:26

. It is solved because

17:28

OK , so it's hard to

17:30

use the DNA evidence to figure out it was him

17:32

, because our unidentified

17:35

body , mr Loveless , his

17:38

grandfather , was a polygamist with four wives

17:40

, so there were hundreds

17:42

and hundreds of blood matches in this family

17:44

. That's crazy , but they were able to track

17:46

down a direct descendant of Joseph and

17:49

determine with 100 percent certainty

17:51

that the body found in

17:54

the Buffalo Cave was that of Joseph

17:56

Henry Loveless from 100 years earlier .

17:59

I'm still just caught up on the fact

18:01

that they thought that it was six

18:03

months to 10 years . That's just so stupid

18:06

to me . They know they .

18:07

I think the thing is is like it's probably

18:09

one of those things where less than six

18:11

months to a year , there's still like meat

18:14

on the bones . Yeah , but I

18:16

mean this is petrified to a point . Yeah

18:18

, but I mean we're never going to know who killed him or

18:20

how he was killed . But I mean he was

18:22

a career criminal and then

18:25

, less than two weeks before he escaped from

18:27

jail , he killed his wife . So he had a few enemies

18:29

who , would you know , want to get rid of

18:31

him .

18:31

This is so interesting and it's

18:33

really weird that his child commented

18:36

that he wouldn't . It wouldn't be long before

18:38

he was out .

18:40

I thought that was weird too , because it's like they're

18:42

not even upset , Like oh , dad killed mom .

18:44

Right .

18:45

Papa will be out soon .

18:46

How old was that kid ? Do we know ?

18:48

I don't know , like , do they think they murdered him ? So

18:50

this is . This episode is a little bit of a collection

18:52

of short stories . I don't have too many details

18:55

on them , but we're ready

18:57

to go to cave number two . If you're

18:59

already , I guess I have to be

19:01

. You have to be . This time we're going all the way

19:03

to Kenya , oh , ok , there's

19:06

basically a national park there , which

19:08

is the Mount Elgin National Park

19:11

. Mount Elgin is a huge mountain

19:13

, and underneath it lies the

19:15

Kittum Cave K-I-T-U-M

19:18

Kittum . It's actually really

19:20

. This cave is super cool . So it's

19:22

over 200 meters long and goes like

19:25

deep into the mountain depths , because it

19:27

was once a lava tube , because Mount Elgin

19:29

used to be a volcano that's no longer active

19:31

, and it's been researched

19:33

a bit , and they're able to determine

19:36

that , over like the course of human history , it was

19:38

used by early human civilizations

19:40

as a shelter . Now , though , mount Elgin

19:42

is really like there's . It's not a heavily

19:44

populated area . There's a few humans . It's

19:47

a national park . There's a few humans

19:49

, but it's not like there's , not like

19:51

seven or six cities or towns nearby

19:53

. Particularly , though , about

19:55

this mountain or this area . In the

19:57

mountain it gets a ton of rain , so

19:59

as the rainwater comes down

20:01

, it washes all these minerals off

20:04

the cave , which then go and collect inside

20:07

of the lava tubes , kittum Cave

20:09

being one of them .

20:10

That just reminds me of what's the second song

20:12

, wash .

20:14

Let the rain . No , not Hilary

20:17

.

20:17

Duff the nursery rhyme Wash away

20:19

. Yeah but what's

20:22

the lyrics ? Because you're

20:24

like , anyway , goodbye

20:26

.

20:27

I don't know . We're moving on . So

20:29

, anyways , all these minerals being deposited

20:31

into the cave brings many

20:33

new residents , and the first

20:35

is Elephant . Oh , so

20:38

elephants need a lot of salt to survive

20:40

, which is one of the minerals that settle in the

20:43

Kittum Cave . I didn't know that . Yeah

20:45

, there are 300 elephants

20:47

that actually call the cave home . I love elephants

20:50

and they're mining elephants

20:52

. Oh , salt

20:55

is really rare in that area and

20:58

it's not densely vegetated

21:01

. So to get the nutrients they need , they

21:03

use their tusks to actually mine

21:05

into the rock , which breaks off the

21:07

salt deposits , and then they

21:09

use their trunk to sift through the rocks

21:11

and eat the salt . They're salt . What A

21:14

lot of .

21:14

They need salt , do you know ?

21:16

Well , their diet just requires salt Interesting , and

21:19

where they live is not a very salty place , except

21:22

for around the mountain . And then it washes into the caves

21:24

. That's so cute . So , along with elephants

21:26

, though , there's birds , insects and bats

21:28

. I love bats , you might not . In

21:31

1980 , a 56-year-old

21:33

Frenchman living in Kenya decides

21:35

to explore the beautiful cave system , and

21:38

he spends a lot of time in there , taking in the wonder

21:40

and just exploring around , and

21:42

after a few short hours he leaves . Seven

21:45

days later , he gets a headache , and

21:47

that headache turns into a fever , and that fever

21:50

turns into nonstop vomiting

21:52

. Once his skin starts

21:54

to turn yellow and his face starts to droop

21:56

, friends help him to get onto a plane

21:59

to go to a hospital in Nairobi . By

22:01

the time the plane lands , our

22:04

little Frenchman is puking up

22:06

black liquid . Then his nose

22:08

starts to bleed and won't stop . He

22:11

makes it to the hospital , he leans

22:13

over , vomits a bunch of blood

22:15

, falls unconscious , and

22:18

then blood starts to pour from every

22:20

opening in his body .

22:22

Cute .

22:23

He dies pretty darn quickly . Yeah

22:25

, I think so . He contracted

22:28

a virus called Marburg , which

22:30

is a cousin of Ebola

22:32

and has a death rate of about 80% . I

22:35

mean , it's insanely deadly .

22:37

How old is he ?

22:38

56 . 56 ? 46

22:40

. 56 . 56 . When

22:43

they determine this , though , like it , it

22:45

remains a mystery , right ? Because the that

22:47

virus hadn't even been seen in five

22:49

years . Hmm , and doctors like where

22:52

the hell did this man get this from ? Seven

22:55

years later , a 15 year old Danish

22:57

boy Contracts the same disease

22:59

and passes away . Really quickly as well

23:01

. Disease like . Researchers , right

23:03

, get in touch with the family , and the boys family

23:06

tells investigators that he had been spending time

23:08

in a place Called the kid , him cave among

23:10

all the things , just leave the

23:12

cave alone .

23:13

And the bad right , leave them alone .

23:15

Well , one of them had also worked

23:17

on the case of the Frenchman and they

23:19

also remember , like when they gathered

23:21

his history , that he had also been in the

23:23

same cave before getting the same virus

23:25

. So , 1988

23:27

, a research team for infectious diseases

23:30

, local Kenyan authorities and the US

23:32

Army put on whole biohazard

23:34

gear and they sent it into the cave to check

23:36

it out . They collect animals

23:39

, different resources , all

23:41

sorts of Evidence

23:43

from inside the cave , right . So they take bats , they take

23:45

guano , which is bat poop , elephant

23:47

feces , scrapings from the wall , but

23:50

they find out no sign of the virus whatsoever

23:52

. Hmm , so they're like well , maybe that isn't

23:54

it and kid him is safe . Till two decades

23:56

later , jesus , in a neighboring

23:59

cave system , scientists discover Marburg

24:01

in a bat population , which was

24:03

a determined to be the same , not only

24:05

species but colony of Bats

24:08

that lived in the kid him caves . It's crazy that they know

24:10

that so they remember they collected bats

24:12

from kid him originally . So now that they have these

24:14

bats they can like do blood testing and figure

24:17

out they were basically related . Well

24:19

, they determined was the people were getting sick

24:21

. So remember they , they're not the only people who've

24:23

been in kid him . It's been research . I already knew was

24:25

an elephant mining cave but

24:27

what was happening is that the guano

24:30

, the bat poop , would dry , turn

24:33

into dust . Then the elephants

24:35

would come in and scrape the walls , getting

24:37

the dust into the air . Okay , so they're inhaling

24:40

it . And they're inhaling it because none of them

24:42

had any bat bites . No , you know

24:44

, there is no , like skin pokes , anything

24:47

Interesting . Lurking in the depths of

24:49

the kid him cave is not only some beautiful

24:51

sights and amazing animals , but

24:53

it's literally a hot spot of deadly disease that

24:55

could kill you within a week .

24:56

Okay , no , is it still unsafe

24:58

? They're saying yeah , interesting .

25:00

So Not only

25:02

is it proven to have at least the

25:05

Marburg virus , but

25:07

scientists and infectious diseases experts

25:10

have been doing a lot of research and They've

25:13

actually basically traced the beginning

25:15

of Ebola to the Mount Elgin region

25:17

, mm-hmm . In fact , more

25:20

than one case have been linked to the kid

25:22

him cave as well as the Marburg

25:24

, and while there's not enough evidence To prove

25:26

it right now , many believe that

25:28

this cave is actually the birthplace

25:30

of the Ebola virus . That's caused , like

25:33

just other other devastation

25:35

throughout Africa , and it is like a

25:37

super , super infectious and deadly disease

25:39

.

25:40

Yikes , do they let people still

25:42

explore at their own risk , or no , was it like

25:45

?

25:45

I don't think it's like officially closed

25:47

off or anything , but everyone around there

25:49

note . It's like yeah hey , you can

25:51

go into this hole in the ground but you might die in a week

25:53

. Are you gonna risk that Hell ? No

25:56

, all right . So that's cave number two . I

25:58

totally . It's not as bad as nutty putty

26:00

. Nutty putty is just horrible in another way . This is

26:02

just like creepy . Weird . Splunking

26:04

is just what fucks it all up . Yeah , I

26:06

tried to stay away from that because most of the stories I

26:08

tried to find on it we're just horrifying

26:10

. So now we're going to the

26:13

cave of the winds in Manitou

26:15

Springs , colorado . Have you ever heard

26:17

of this one , or does it sound familiar to you at all ? Yeah

26:19

, to me it did at first , and like

26:21

it hit me at the end on why and

26:23

you're gonna , you're gonna maybe laugh a little bit

26:25

but discovered in 1881

26:28

by George and John Pickett

26:30

, this cave system in Colorado

26:32

is actually over a million years old , and

26:35

you know me , we're gonna get some Native American

26:38

story in here . It's named cave of the winds

26:40

because early Apache Indians believed

26:42

that it's where the great spirit of

26:44

wind resided . So as

26:47

the picket brothers first make their way through the

26:49

caves , and the candles in their lanterns

26:51

would flicker strangely , as if a wind Was blowing

26:53

, but they like didn't really feel it so

26:55

intrigued , though they went deep into the limestone caves

26:58

and discover this like huge chamber

27:00

in there . Over time they excavate more

27:02

and more of the cave and they basically turn

27:04

this into like a small theme park . Okay

27:07

, you can go , and there you can get cave tours

27:09

on top . They've got like tourist

27:11

attractions and shops zip lining in

27:13

, it's like one of those adventure parts . You

27:15

know , like you find all over . But more

27:18

than just that weird phantom breeze or the

27:20

the rumor of the great wind spirit , there's some weird

27:22

shit that happens down this cave

27:24

, like ghosts , baby . So

27:27

there's reportedly just a shit ton

27:29

of spirits down the cave and Paranormal

27:32

investigators go there all the time and they're getting

27:35

or based on their camera which I

27:37

know , I don't believe them , but they're

27:39

getting disembodied voices and intelligent

27:41

response to EVPs , which is cool

27:43

, right , yeah . But beyond that , over

27:45

the year they start to get on cameras

27:48

. These strange mists that show up

27:50

Then is

27:52

turned into now full apparitions

27:54

and light anomaly .

27:56

It's not like you just said flap or rations

27:58

and I was like I've never heard of that . Then I realized you

28:00

said full apparitions full

28:03

apparitions , flapper

28:06

rations and light anomalies .

28:08

Now they do tours right , but there . So there will be

28:10

multiple tour groups in like different parts of the cave

28:12

at one time . Okay , and now what's

28:14

starting to happen is tours report , either

28:16

like the guide seeing an extra guest in their

28:18

group who shouldn't be there , or

28:21

other groups seeing extra

28:23

guides and groups like up ahead in a

28:25

curve that when they get up to Like

28:27

where it should be , they're just not there . No they're

28:29

like wearing the right you ?

28:30

Oh , that's what I was just gonna ask Like . So what are there ? What

28:33

are they wearing ? Or like look like . Yeah , that's

28:35

weird .

28:35

They're wearing like the modern day

28:37

. That's weird uniforms

28:39

, right , I wouldn't expect , and I mean it's

28:42

a place that's been explored now since 1881

28:44

, so you know , to 150

28:47

years basically . But like , I guess to me

28:49

one thing if you saw like old timey people

28:51

, but there it's like that's what I was thinking

28:53

, like seeing that , or like Native America

28:55

, like you know , natives , oh , hold

28:57

on .

28:58

Well , that's just what I was thinking that you would have saw , not

29:00

.

29:01

Hold on , you'll be

29:03

on a tour right and they'll literally hear an

29:05

entire other group coming up on them . But

29:07

as they get to the end and turn around those

29:09

, the voices never reach them and they never see them . Hmm

29:12

, and then , like you said , there's other groups who've actually

29:14

said they've seen Native Americans

29:16

down in the time .

29:17

Which that makes more sense to me .

29:18

That . But the whole thing is just like it's kind

29:21

of weird . Like why are they dressed up like

29:23

I don't know right ? So there's a lot

29:25

of theories on why it might be haunted . There's

29:27

lots of like local legends of people

29:30

who went into the caves , disappeared and they never

29:32

came back and now their spirits Haunt the tavern

29:34

, you know , like your typical hunting shit . Others

29:37

think it's related to the Apaches and the wind spirit

29:39

. The wind spirit , by the way , was

29:41

something that was said to have the ability to create

29:43

whirlwinds , sanddevils , tornadoes

29:46

and other air-based disturbances . So

29:49

, just like the original founders , a lot of people will

29:51

have like their gas lanterns

29:53

and stuff just like blown out and actually

29:55

you can still do like haunted

29:58

cave tours of it and they give you gas lanterns

30:00

Like you don't take like oh my gosh lights , which actually

30:02

kind of seems cool until they all go out

30:04

.

30:05

right , you know , somebody has brings

30:07

an actual flashlight to , just in case

30:09

, oh yeah , so some people

30:11

think it's like the wind spirit , the Native Americans .

30:13

Others think it's disturbances or disappearances

30:16

, not disturbances . But a

30:18

lot of people actually think some of the ghosts

30:20

who reside in here are George picket

30:22

, one of the original founders , and his wife

30:24

. Okay , so his wife's

30:26

name is Nelly , and since , like

30:28

they got involved in the caves , they

30:31

liked to play tricks on their guests

30:33

.

30:34

It's really cute .

30:36

So a lot of people think like in death

30:38

, they never stop playing their little tricks

30:40

on people . That's really cute . So they

30:42

might be the ones extinguishing your lantern

30:44

or making creepy noises and

30:47

, like some of the intelligent response EBP

30:49

Is , they think are them because they've asked like do you know

30:51

where you are ?

30:51

And they say I'm going with that . That's super

30:54

cute things .

30:55

I , I kind of like that one too right

30:57

, like they love messing with people in life so they're

30:59

gonna do it in death . Here's

31:02

one of the weirdest things to me , right ? So

31:04

there's a series of emergency

31:06

phones throughout , like cuz , they've run

31:08

electricity through parts of the cave , and

31:11

they're like one way phones . You know , it's like you pick up one

31:13

end , you pick up the other and it's already connected . So

31:15

they all go to the gift shop . Okay now

31:18

in the gift shop . They receive phantom

31:20

calls all the time where it rings .

31:22

They pick it up , nobody's on the other end .

31:24

So the guides got kind of smart where

31:26

, as they're going through the caves , they'll

31:29

pull the receivers off . So

31:31

then people in the gift shop will pick up

31:34

and like there'll be no

31:36

tour groups in the cave whatsoever and

31:38

all the receivers are off the handles and

31:40

you can pick it up and hear disembodied

31:43

voices of people like either tours

31:45

or talking in the cave system . That's

31:47

crazy , it's super fucking weird

31:49

and I kind of want to go take a tour , I'm

31:52

sure , like you know , if it's like a tourist

31:54

park on top and like , is that fine ? And they , they definitely

31:56

play it all up . Well yeah for

31:58

anybody who . Are you a South Park fan

32:00

at all ? Mm-hmm , okay , so for anybody who's

32:02

listening in , the cave of the wind sounds familiar

32:04

and you can't quite put your

32:06

finger on it . It might be from

32:09

the episode of South Park where cartman Stan , kyle

32:11

and Kenny get stuck in the cave of the winds

32:13

with Al Gore and find

32:15

the . Do you remember the man Bear Pig episodes

32:18

of South Park ?

32:19

I this is where I tell you one thing about

32:21

South Park .

32:22

Well , this is the cave where the man Bear Pig came

32:24

from , and apparently they also found a

32:26

shit ton of gold buried in there in the Episode

32:28

. But I'm like all right , that's kind of like a funny little

32:30

fun fact about it .

32:31

I mean that is funny , that that's how you knew

32:34

of it right , like I'm , like I know

32:36

this sounds familiar .

32:37

And finally , like I went to hit Google images

32:39

at one point and saw a South Park and they're like no

32:41

, no , all right

32:44

. So so far we've got a missing

32:46

body cave , we've got a

32:48

birthplace of terrible viruses

32:51

and now we've got a haunted cave .

32:53

I think I need a cryptid .

32:55

It's actually probably this is

32:57

probably the only one that's not like a super

32:59

oddity , okay , but I think it's just

33:01

cool as hell . This is actually a well

33:03

Well , have you ever heard of chichen

33:05

itza , chichen ?

33:07

itza , that sounds really familiar .

33:09

It's in the Yucatan Peninsula of Mexico

33:11

and it's like the ruins of a great Mayan city

33:14

. It's the pyramid , Okay okay , and

33:16

they're pyramid with a square building on top

33:18

, but it's way inland

33:20

in the jungle . Okay so I think

33:23

I was discovered not super long

33:25

ago because they had to excavate it , because it was almost like covered

33:27

in earth , say it again they found this . chichen

33:30

itza , chichen itza , yeah

33:32

, chichen itza , I think I'm saying it close

33:34

to room we're not , but the pyramid

33:37

, so it's like it's a Mayan city

33:39

, but in the middle of that pyramid is called Alcasteo

33:41

. But it's , you've seen it , it's the

33:43

pyramid in the jungle . It's like four sides

33:45

, in the middle of each side , though , or like

33:47

actual regular steps going up to like a

33:49

square room .

33:50

Yeah , I think I'm gonna look it up , though

33:52

, but I'm pretty sure I know what you're talking about .

33:54

So , while you're looking it up , it dates

33:56

back to like between the eighth and 12th

33:59

century AD . It was a Mayan

34:01

temple to their feathered

34:03

spirit deity . Not

34:05

really , not really sure more than that

34:07

a feathered spirit deity . Yeah

34:10

, or serpent , feathered serpent

34:12

, so almost like kind of dragon-esque

34:14

Okay , oh yeah , which that's also a

34:16

whole nother oddity about how all these ancient

34:18

civilizations all came up with dragons on

34:20

their own Kind of makes you think they existed , but

34:22

they did hello . Right

34:25

, like I said , you could do an entire episode on that . You could do an entire

34:27

episode on this city , but we're talking about

34:29

what's going on beneath the ground . So

34:31

it was a really big mystery for a long time

34:34

of like how Mayans got their water , because

34:36

a lot of their settlements were not built near

34:38

the ocean . They were built like back into the jungle

34:41

, not really close to a river or whatnot . So

34:44

historians were kind of confused for some time

34:46

. But in 1966

34:48

they started to discover the Mayan's

34:50

water source , which is

34:52

there's a series of sinkholes

34:54

and wells that would fill up with water during

34:56

, like , the rainy season , and they're all

34:59

Connected below ground between like hundreds

35:01

and hundreds of tunnels .

35:03

That's so insane .

35:05

So the rainwater would like erode

35:07

the land and then down into the land , creating

35:10

all these tunnels where all the water would collect and

35:12

, as you know , the water table would fill up , they'd

35:14

have water , and then , in times of drought

35:16

, the water table would go down , you

35:19

know , to leave the watering holes empty . That's

35:21

just so crazy , it's wild

35:24

and I'm kind of jumping

35:26

ahead , but I'm gonna say it now . You

35:28

know , the , the Mayans basically disappeared and nobody

35:31

understands why . They're like one of the lost civilizations

35:33

. Yeah well , they think was actually

35:35

a very long drought , and all

35:37

these wells and sinkholes dried up , which

35:40

led to their like downfall . Hmm

35:42

, anyway , researchers notice , when

35:44

one of these sinkholes were empty , that

35:46

80 feet below the ground , all the holes

35:48

and wells are connected . Not only

35:50

that because we've already said that that's not the weird part what

35:53

they found inside is shocking

35:55

. So during the dry times , the Mayans

35:57

would actually make use of the cave system , not

36:00

only to live into escape , like jungle sun

36:02

, but they found

36:04

Ritual sites and other

36:06

temples to different deities , one

36:08

being Balamku , the drag

36:11

wire god , jaguar god . Yes

36:14

, I want that title . What

36:16

is this called again ? It's called the

36:18

Balamku . Well , they found

36:20

a tunnel that you almost have to crawl on

36:22

your belly through . I'm only giving you one of those . I

36:24

promised you that led to seven

36:27

chambers Dedicated to

36:29

Balamku and also the

36:31

god of rain , I'm gonna say it , wrong

36:33

to lock . Tlaloc

36:35

, tulli , or

36:38

Tulliq , tulliq , right um

36:40

. So to get to these chambers , though you like you really have

36:42

to like belly crawl a long way , but

36:45

now they're finding ritual objects down here , so

36:47

they're finding vases , incense burners

36:49

, decorated plates , like all these things that people

36:51

would offer up to . That's

36:53

so these deities to bring rain

36:56

Incredible well . The incredible

36:58

part about it is is like

37:00

water preserves things really well

37:02

and they're never directly Let out to sunlight

37:04

. So they have all these ancient

37:07

Mayan artifacts that they've started finding , from over

37:09

a thousand years old , that are like some of the best

37:11

preserved Historical artifacts of all

37:13

time like I want to be the person that finds

37:16

this incredible shit . Well , yes

37:18

and no , because then you'd also have to go down into the caves

37:20

, true ? So why did they move

37:22

into the caves ? Well , we kind of touched on

37:24

it . There there was a big drought

37:27

. This lasted from 700

37:29

to 1000 ad a

37:32

300 year drought Dang

37:34

.

37:35

Wait , what the fuck .

37:37

Yeah , that the Mayans traveled down into

37:39

the cave systems and kept trying to appease the

37:41

gods .

37:42

Okay , that's sad

37:44

.

37:45

It is . It's really sad . I feel

37:47

like that's just historical , though we haven't really gotten

37:49

too much to the oddity of it once

37:52

they started discovering these . Researchers

37:54

do believe that the city is on

37:56

top match jump , with chambers below

37:58

. No , so they kind of belt . Yeah

38:00

like , which makes

38:03

sense , right , you want your well to be near

38:05

the city Now , at

38:07

Chichen Itza , where Alicastia

38:09

is , researchers for a long time had believed

38:11

that there's actually right beneath

38:14

the pyramid there has

38:16

to be an entrance to what's called the Cenote

38:18

, which is an underground lake . They

38:20

haven't been able to find it yet

38:22

, but they kind of believe that if

38:24

they built the temple on top of the ground

38:26

, that below there also was likely

38:29

a temple that was the portal to

38:31

their underworld . They have

38:33

not found out how to get quite underneath

38:35

the pyramid yet , but

38:37

more recent , like to the south

38:39

of it , another entrance to a Cenote

38:42

was found that goes about 80

38:44

feet down to a huge

38:47

, huge cavern . Okay

38:49

, Okay , and there's kind

38:51

of two paths . One that's on

38:53

one side I think that's the east side

38:55

is a ledge with a bunch of the same thing the vases

38:58

, the offerings , the incense burners

39:00

. The other side , you kind of go over

39:02

a berm , right , so the water would have to get to

39:04

a certain level to even fill this other passage

39:06

and leads down to another

39:08

chamber . Inside this chamber

39:11

were offerings of a different type .

39:13

Do I want to know ?

39:14

So they had the same vases , the incense

39:16

and then hundreds

39:18

and hundreds of human remains

39:21

from human sacrifice .

39:22

I knew it was going to be human sacrifice .

39:24

Oh yeah Of . So

39:26

there's hundreds of them , Of the

39:28

sacrifices they were able to kind of find and go

39:30

through here right . 80% were from

39:33

the ages of three to 11 years old

39:35

.

39:35

Oh my God , so it's children's sacrifice

39:37

, oh .

39:38

Yes , I found one

39:40

quote from a researcher who said it's hard

39:42

to understand why they sacrifice children

39:44

. But we have to stop and think about , maybe , the health

39:47

status of those children .

39:48

Hmm .

39:49

From the way they

39:51

I don't know . Obviously they couldn't tell how

39:53

they were dressed or anything , but they were able to

39:55

determine they came from a low stratum of society

39:58

. Okay , and likely were

40:00

even stolen from other communities

40:02

.

40:02

Oh yikes .

40:03

Weirder yet , though , is like they're not only

40:05

sacrificing these people when the rain is low

40:08

, because when the rain is low and they're empty , they

40:10

can obviously get into that one chamber , right

40:12

. Oh , yeah , yeah , yeah , but they also

40:14

wanted to thank the gods during time , so when the

40:16

rain was really high . So

40:18

also in that same cenote , remember

40:20

. It drops down to that huge cavern at first

40:22

, basically straight under the whole

40:25

entrance . On top is another site

40:27

of human sacrifices , where they were basically

40:29

still sacrificing humans when it was totally full

40:31

, just to keep them happy , yikes

40:34

. So next time you go down

40:36

to Mexico and they tell you not to drink the water

40:38

, it might be less to do with the disease

40:40

and Montezuma's revenge and more

40:42

to do with the fact that the groundwater has

40:44

literally been marinating for a thousand

40:47

years . Body of something . Shitmines Giving

40:49

me a Lisa lamb . Yeah

40:52

, I knew I almost put something

40:54

in there about like making a comparison , but I knew

40:56

when I said it . You know , because I know

40:58

how obsessed you are with that story .

41:02

This is like OK .

41:04

OK , the last one . I

41:07

thought about whether to keep it or whether to drop it off

41:09

, but I think it's just kind of cool . It ties in

41:11

a lot of like ancient Roman . Ancient Roman

41:14

.

41:14

I don't know why I don't think the word Roman .

41:16

So there is this ancient Roman

41:19

mythological person , but you

41:21

know , the whole thing is like all these philosophers

41:23

wrote about people who were real but then , like the stories

41:25

got so misconstrued , far-fetched

41:28

, like Troy , you know , finding all these monsters

41:30

and shit . We know Troy was real , whatever . Ok

41:32

, in the area of Italy

41:34

that's now Naples , it was the Q-May

41:37

area , and this ancient

41:39

city of Q-May had a cult

41:41

to the god Apollo . Ok

41:43

, the cult was led by prophetesses

41:45

and the most famous

41:47

of that being the Q-Mayan Sibyl . It

41:50

was called the Q-Mayan Sibyl . I don't

41:52

know why they had to say where she was from , but

41:54

ancient Roman poets and philosophers

41:57

write about her many times . So the

41:59

very condensed story is that she had a

42:01

special grotto or cavern where she

42:03

would speak with Apollo and make attempts

42:05

with him to predict the future course of events

42:07

. So in her grotto

42:10

she's kind of acting like an oracle and

42:12

she would take her predictions and write them down

42:14

on leaves and leave them near the entrance

42:16

to her cave for people to read Every time you

42:18

say grotto , I just think about the grotto on the

42:20

playboy mansion . Oh

42:23

, I thought you were going to go with Little Mermaid . You went , yeah

42:25

, a little bit different than what I was thinking . Well

42:29

, maybe sort of playboy-esque . In

42:31

one story she traded her virginity

42:33

to the god , apollo , so that she

42:36

could live for as many years

42:38

as the amount of grains of sand she could

42:40

hold in her hand while she lost her virginity

42:42

to him . So she lives for a really

42:44

long time , but she starts to get sick of Apollo

42:46

, apparently , and is like I

42:49

don't want to be her lover anymore . And he's like , okay , fine

42:51

, start with her in a way . And then she dies

42:53

. But before she dies she

42:56

writes the Sibylian books , which are the

42:58

books of the prophecy she got from Apollo

43:01

, and she tries to go and sell it to a

43:03

king and just wanted to charge

43:05

an exorbitant amount for it . So when he said

43:07

no , she goes fine , fuck all you guys . And she

43:09

throws them into a fire . Okay , drama

43:11

queen . Oh , oh , honey

43:13

, wait up , because the drama gets better . So

43:16

after she's done with her little predictions

43:18

, a lot of the writings start to say she

43:20

acts as a keeper

43:23

to the underworld and that she finds

43:25

out that her grotto is actually an entrance

43:27

to Hades and

43:29

she would lead . Oh

43:31

yeah , she would lead different

43:34

, like famous heroes , right

43:37

? Oh yes , through the cave and

43:39

take them to the underworld , maybe

43:41

to the actual River Styx , where

43:44

they could either get help , guidance

43:46

or be guided by family members if they

43:48

were strong enough , or if they

43:50

weren't , they just stayed in the underworld

43:52

. Yep , yep . So

43:54

at first people are like , oh , she can take us

43:56

to , like , get insights from our family members . Then it

43:58

turned out she was just basically taking them

44:00

straight to hell . Yeah , so anyway , as

44:03

though the when they're writing about this , it's

44:05

a cave that's deep in the ground with many

44:08

entrances , and once

44:10

you went in there , the Sibyl would make her

44:12

sacrifices and poor libations

44:14

and call on the goddess Hectate

44:17

, who is the goddess of magic and witchcraft , and

44:19

then she'd start doing all her stuff to get you to the underworld

44:21

. Okay , so the city of Q-May falls

44:24

. The cave is lost to history , but a lot of people

44:26

are like constantly searching for it . And

44:28

1932 , an archaeologist

44:30

named Amadeo Meori believes

44:33

he found it , based on the writings of the Roman

44:35

writer Virgil . So he finds this

44:37

carved cave that has a bunch of different entrances

44:39

not quite a hundred , like was written . So

44:42

you go down this like tunnel that was obviously

44:44

carved . It looked like there was certain

44:46

slaves , like Roman slaves they had in the area

44:48

. Okay , and you get to a sophisticated

44:51

circuitry of stairs and passageways

44:53

and at the end of one is like

44:55

kind of a cavern with three little rooms , and

44:58

it very well lines up to

45:00

where she would do her prophecies

45:03

and apparently just sleep with Apollo . So

45:06

you can kind of tour these places . Now

45:08

it's become a little bit of a tourist attraction

45:10

and you can go back in time , you know , and

45:13

maybe Sibyl will take you to the underworld

45:15

, but it gets really weird . So there's

45:17

another corridor , that kind of like

45:19

over time they find Okay . And

45:22

it goes into the deepest and darkest part of the tunnel

45:24

system and there's

45:26

so much underground heat that water

45:29

and pools down there almost get

45:31

like they turn to steam . So

45:34

it's creepy . Then

45:37

they get to a point where there's so much sulfur

45:40

coming up from the ground and heating the waters that

45:42

you run across a large

45:44

underground river that

45:46

stinks like sulfur in a dark

45:49

deep cavern that a lot of people

45:51

think is almost the equivalent to like the

45:53

river sticks that you would cross

45:55

over to get to the underworld . Oh , so

45:59

, whether Sibyl lived or not , people

46:01

do think this is like what they thought

46:03

of as the passage to the underworld and maybe where

46:05

some of the river sticks came from in , like these

46:07

natural phenomenons , so you

46:09

can go past there . And then there's

46:11

a whole bunch of other passages that they know

46:13

of that are all blocked with

46:15

rocks and rubble .

46:16

Wow .

46:17

Now , I don't know about you , but as human

46:19

beings we should never fucking

46:22

open these passages .

46:23

Like there are just some things . Absolutely not .

46:26

Whether this is the right cave or not and whether it's the portal to the

46:28

underworld . Ancient Greeks and ancient

46:30

Romans knew of a lot of shit going on on this planet

46:32

that I don't think we understand and

46:35

after hearing , like the stories of the nutty putty and spelunking

46:37

or some of the ones we've talked about

46:39

today , I don't care what's down there , whether it's a

46:41

disease or the actual or

46:44

any of this other crazy shit that it could be in caves

46:46

I think we should just leave it closed . I

46:48

agree , I kind of want to , like

46:50

you did last week . We needed some lighter stuff

46:52

. I wanted to do nutty putty it was really dark

46:54

and morbid , just did it . Yeah , I

46:58

think it's cool to just talk about like creepy things people found in

47:00

caves and I think I'm all for

47:02

investigating things above ground . I'm all for paranormal

47:04

things . I like to . Can we just

47:06

stop going underground Because , like for

47:09

me , right , like I would I would

47:11

be so down to do a paranormal investigation

47:14

in a building where , like I , can get out at any

47:16

point I want . If you're sticking me underground and

47:18

weird shit starts happening , I can't escape . No

47:20

, fucking thank you , I will

47:22

stay above ground .

47:23

Yeah , yeah , I

47:26

like doing the guided tours and caves and things like that

47:28

. It's cool Right . But

47:30

it is so heavily like traveled and it still is

47:33

really creepy , though , and

47:35

you still get really weird vibes where you're like

47:37

I know I shouldn't be here , like we

47:39

should not be here .

47:41

It is a very odd feeling when you're like that

47:43

far underground .

47:45

Yeah , if you , if you be finding things

47:47

, don't just don't open it , leave

47:49

it be .

47:50

Some passages are just better left closed

47:52

. Now , if you wanted

47:54

to start , though , in an underground

47:56

cave fight club , I would

47:59

be down for this . We

48:01

went to Nashville and we stopped on the

48:03

way , for , like , we just pulled off at one of those random

48:05

caves to do a tour , and our tour guide

48:07

was amazing . This is where I saw the cave crickets and

48:10

we're like talking to her about like so she actually told

48:12

us like of a ghost story they had

48:14

done there , where they thought they like a couple of snuck in

48:16

blah , blah , blah . But we're like so

48:18

it's like the weirdest thing in caves . And you know

48:20

, talking to her , and she goes . You know , I don't know

48:22

what the weirdest thing is , but she goes . You know what I think would be

48:25

fun , what she goes a cave

48:27

fight club , like how great would

48:29

it be just to get a bunch of people in the underground cave

48:31

fights . First of all , we're like the last two or the day .

48:33

I think I'm going to get a buff ground now .

48:36

Oh yeah , she was great though she was , so she has this whole

48:38

thing planned out . So , like I'd be down for that

48:40

, like go , I don't want to fight in it because

48:42

, let's be honest , I get my ass handed to me , but

48:45

I'd go cheer on people . It could be fun .

48:47

I wonder if she obviously gets

48:49

really bored doing the same tour

48:52

over and over again . That like she's just like rambling

48:55

on the same facts over and

48:57

over , that her brain is just like going on

48:59

and she's just like popped in like underground

49:01

fight .

49:02

Well , we told her that too . So she

49:04

started really like scripted . You

49:06

could tell she was one agitated and two scripted

49:08

. And we're like what happened . There was apparently

49:11

like she had just had Karen's all

49:13

day long .

49:15

Why are Karen's in caves Right

49:17

?

49:18

First of all , don't be mean to the person leading you underground

49:20

. Who knows the way back out ? First of all

49:23

, that's it . But we're like , well

49:25

, like tell us the weird parts of caves and stuff

49:27

. Like just go off your script . You tell us whatever

49:29

you want . And she just got super chill

49:31

and like relax and then started telling us about the cave

49:33

fight clubs . You want to start . It's hilarious , it

49:36

was great . She was great . She had four listens . We

49:38

still think about her all the time . All right

49:40

, I want to ask you another question

49:42

. Oh my God , what Of the five caves

49:44

that we talked about , which one would you want to explore ?

49:48

Okay , so we did dead body Yep

49:50

, both like cave with the dead body

49:52

.

49:52

Obvious . Kidham cave is probably not

49:54

going to be the one . Then

49:57

we had Cave of the Wind in

49:59

Colorado , the haunted ghost cave . We've

50:03

got the ancient Mayan human

50:05

sacrifices , or we have literally

50:07

the portal to the fucking underworld . Which one

50:09

do you ?

50:09

want . I can only do one . One Portal

50:11

to the underworld .

50:13

That would be the one I wouldn't . Right

50:15

next to Kidham is the one I want to go and

50:17

least .

50:19

First off , that's what I first . First I

50:21

was like , oh , dead bodies all the way . Then

50:23

I was like , well , no , haunted

50:25

, because like that would be more practical

50:27

.

50:28

I think the haunted one would be kind of cool

50:31

, but the second one I

50:33

just think would be really cool to see , like ancient Mayan

50:35

artifacts that are super well preserved .

50:37

Well , that would be cool too , but

50:39

Hades of my boy .

50:41

True Fair enough

50:43

.

50:43

I think I'm doing Portal to the hell .

50:45

All right , well , we got . We got new places

50:47

added to our creepy bucket

50:49

list now . Hercules , hercules oh

50:51

my God , I was waiting for that to come up . You know it's really

50:54

random .

50:55

Yesterday . I don't know what I said , but then for

50:57

like 20 minutes all Aaron kept saying

50:59

was Hercules , Hercules .

51:02

That's funny though , because , like I , I almost

51:04

can't see Aaron quoting like Disney

51:06

movies and stuff . But then again I could

51:08

love that . But yeah , so those are five

51:10

of the creepiest caves I could find , without them being

51:13

horribly , devastatingly sad stories

51:15

.

51:15

Good job , I'm going to go watch Hercules now . Perfect

51:18

, and my friends call me Meg . If I had any

51:20

. Megra is

51:23

my girl .

51:25

You earlier , not now that you let your hair down , but earlier

51:27

the way you had your hairstyle . That was sort of like

51:30

Meg , like down in the front . Oh , yeah

51:32

, god , I love her so

51:34

fucking good , all right . Well

51:36

, good job , dude , that's all I got for you this week . Well

51:38

, thank you .

51:39

That's a thing and a lot . You had five things

51:42

for me this week .

51:43

Five , five different caves . So

51:45

if you're listening and you have a fun cave

51:48

experience of creepy , weird or strange

51:50

things that happened to you underground , let

51:52

us know , let it go

51:54

. No , but

51:58

yeah , with that , you know , if you want to give

52:00

us a rating or a review , if you want

52:02

to write in on literally anything other

52:04

than caves that are creepy and weird , we'd love to

52:06

hear it . And Kara .

52:09

Yeah , pretty much all that , because I got a P , so

52:11

you know do all that . And then

52:13

, most importantly , creepy

52:15

. Really , yeah , balls .

52:16

Mm , hmm , goodbye .

52:18

Bye Ponies

52:22

P .