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and did I

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write , robert , the dollar letter from

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all of us ? Yes , yes , I did

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. Did I mail that letter the very next day

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that we recorded that episode

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?

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Yes , yes , I did . Oh , you did

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.

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What did I think ? You thought I was lying

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. I typed that up .

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No , no , no , I knew you were going to send

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it . Nope , I just didn't know when it would

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get in the mail the very next

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fucking day because I

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wanted to .

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the head of time Proud of me ? I don't want to take no damn

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chances .

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It's going to get there before even . Here's the episode

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.

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Oh , it already did because , well , yeah , I definitely

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it's been there . No . I might

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have to send another one . Thank you

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for saving us from curses and from all

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the listeners , I signed it .

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Oh , perfect , blanket protection . All right

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, see , guys , we provide value

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. I signed .

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Zach and Kara or Kara Zach , whatever , from

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the oddity shop podcast and all their listeners

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Perfect .

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So there's , that .

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All right . So , other than protecting

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me and every one of our listeners from

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curses , what's what's new with you ?

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I mean not really anything , because I

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took a week off of work and literally did

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nothing . Like I actually sat on

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like how it's doing absolutely nothing for most days

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, which is kind of what you did on your time off

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at , like the exact same time , it was

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fabulous .

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We both took a staycation because we were

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burned out . Made

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of it , I okay . So I did

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, mostly relaxing on the couch , but I did have one little

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like nice care day . And I went

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and I got a tarot reading . I went

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to a couple metaphysical shops and spent

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way too much on rocks per usual .

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We got a tattoo .

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I got a tattoo and then I went

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to a Kava bar . What is that it's

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? It's like a earthy kind of

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tea .

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That's kind of what I thought , okay .

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Yeah , it tastes like crap . In

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all honesty it tastes horrible , but

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it's so , with me doing the dry January

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, which I've already decided is going to get extended

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through February , although this episode is going

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to come out in March , so we'll report

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back and see how I did . But it's like

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it's kind of makes you chatty , it kind of makes

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you really relaxed , but there's no like

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hangover there . It only lasts

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for like a little bit of time , but it's kind of a nice

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like drink replacement and the bar

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is really cool . Like I seem like it was really

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full of like just open minded

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people . It's very light , it's very quiet

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, so I could hear everything .

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Like you just start chatting with people , so there's like different

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flavors or what like . What did you like

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?

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the tea itself , or like it's just ground

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up root in the water . Basically . Okay

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but they probably have different . You add dairy

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to it , like an oat milk or regular milk or whatever

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, and then you can add a flavor shot . So

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I did a strawberry cheesecake flavor

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.

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And you didn't like it , so it kind of masks the

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earthiness or just because you're like it doesn't

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taste like strawberry cheesecake .

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You taste the strawberry cheesecake , but you taste like a bitter

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dirt underneath it .

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I think I would like this , so , but I don't

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want to do strawberry cheesecake , I'd rather think lean

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into the dirt , so

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they have like some , like chocolatier

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flavors and stuff , okay , but

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I've done that and it's like it almost

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, instead of leaning into the dirt . It doesn't cancel

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it out enough , or at least the strawberry cheesecake the tangy

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of the fruit kind of goes with the bitter of okay

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, but see , I guess what I was thinking is

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more like I would rather do like

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I don't know , like this is probably an

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example , but I love cucumber

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water because it kind of just tastes

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like grass , even though I don't want to eat grass , it

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just tastes like nature to me

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. So to me , I would want to lean more

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into that aspect versus like a sweet

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desserty thing . Gotcha . People

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are like this is stupid . Why are we ?

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listening to this . Seriously , this is like . This is not

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supposed to be .

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We'll talk about this after .

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That was just my self care day , but yeah , otherwise

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, that's . That's about it . I'm feeling a little bit recharged

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, though . How about you ?

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Yes , I'm very charged . I was disappointed

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. You go back .

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Same the real world hits hard .

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Yes , all the concerned listeners . I'm drinking

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my poppy with the plastic straw

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today , okay .

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No broken teas . Yes , so

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we're all proud of you .

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All right , we ready , we good . I'm good , okay

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, so we might have asked this

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question before , maybe to each

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other , or I asked it or whatever

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, but honestly I was too lazy to go back and figure it out , so

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I don't really give a shit . So I'm asking you again if

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that's the case , what natural disaster

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would you want to experience least

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? I think we did ask this .

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I think you asked it the opposite way , though . So

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maybe I'll say this is fair , the

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least I think I'm going to say

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tsunami , because I feel like those

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kind of come up like without much warning

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and like water when the ? Fuck , are you

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going to go ?

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That's . That's funny , because I knew you were going to ask me

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, because you're always doing another one answer , and I think that's

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exactly what I would say , because that , for

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that exact reason , like , I understand

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a lot of natural disasters like where are you going to go

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? But when you think of like floods and stuff , that is

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yeah because , like tornadoes are hurricanes

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.

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You could at least get to shelter Fires

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kind of hard . But you have a . I feel like you have a

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better chance of outrunning a fire than you

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do a tsunami .

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Yeah .

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Yeah , and I just don't know where you'd go for safe shelter . Yeah

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, okay , I don't know why I'm defending the answer you agreed

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with .

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All right , yeah

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, so I would agree with you . Everybody

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else , let me know what you would pick least , okay

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.

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Alright , so we talked about natural disasters , I'm gonna assume

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Eh eh , eh , yeah , kinda

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Okay Okay .

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So on Tuesday , september

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19th , which that's my dad's birthday , rip

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2017 , tragedy

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shook Mexico 20

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seconds of shaking to be exact . A

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magnitude 7.1 earthquake

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struck Mexico around 1pm

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, so this is located about 75

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miles from Mexico City . The

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quake caused most damage to , I think it's Pueblo

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and more , more loose and

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in the greater Mexico City area , so

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obviously , no earthquakes they're not just

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like in okay .

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They're kind of all over .

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So it's up a center , which is the point

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on the Earth's surface vertically above

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the focus of the earthquake was about

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34 miles from the

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south city of Pueblo , though I didn't

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know this and this is to me . This is crazy

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and I think you'll love this , but Mexico

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is one of the world's most seismically

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active regions . So it's sitting

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atop , sitting atop

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several intersecting tectonic

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plates . So plate tectonic

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is specifically , or scientific

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, jesus , fucking Christ .

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I mean specifically and scientifically , kind

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of are the same .

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Okay , so sitting atop

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several intersecting tectonic plates

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, okay , Plate tectonic

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is the scientific theory that Earth's lithosphere

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compromises comprises

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Jesus Christ , everybody , kill me A

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number of large tectonic plates which

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have been slowly moving since about

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3.4 billion years

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ago . Basically , the

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lithosphere is the rigid , outermost

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rocky shell of the terrestrial planet

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, or natural satellite . So , if we

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dumb version this , where Mexico

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is located on the Earth is on top

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of plates of almost

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a rock that are shifting and cracking

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in an extreme way . But I just found

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it fascinating because I guess

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I never really thought about it .

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Where there's a more yeah

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, I guess I did know it was like but it makes

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sense , because we don't ? There's a lot of earthquakes , but I didn't realize

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how many tectonic plates were going

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on there .

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Yeah , so basically causing them to be located

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in a high earthquake activity area , which

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I just ? I mean it obviously makes sense

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because we don't get earthquakes , we don't get this

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because we're not in that type of area . So it makes

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sense . But when I was reading around and I was like I feel stupid

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because it's I don't know , it's crazy .

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Out of sight , out of mind , sort of thing .

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Exactly . This extreme caused

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the collapse of more than 40 buildings

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. 652 homes

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were destroyed . It's estimated that 370

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people were killed and 6,000

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were injured .

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Okay , see , I was shocked by how low the building

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count was , but I didn't realize you weren't counting houses

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in that Like you're talking like bigger than houses

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.

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Correct and so I don't know . I know , but

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why do I feel like I know ? 370

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is a lot of deaths , but I don't know why I was thinking it

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was like more , maybe just .

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You would assume with how many places are

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physically destroyed .

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yeah , Right , and then there were 24

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aftershocks reported , but

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meaning there were probably more that

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just weren't reported because you figure this is like

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crazy chaos and

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they lasted for several days

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, after which I don't think people realize

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that , that the aftershocks go on

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.

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Yeah , I mean I knew they could go on for some hours

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and so up to days is like Can you imagine

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? I feel , like you'd almost get seasickness .

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Right and , like you , already went through this major tragedy

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and it's lasting now for days , essentially

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, I just don't even know Now

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, I think most of us like we think

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of an earthquake , we think of buildings falling

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and debris , ground shaking

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, roads cracking and grounds like being erupted

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, all that kind of stuff . But you

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have to think it's a lot more right . So if you really

9:52

think about it , you get fires , gas

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leaks , you can get landslides

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, Q-fleet woodmack or , if you're a remix

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of the Dixie Tricks , mudslide

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, avalanches , tsunamis , depending

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on where you are , and just so much more . So you have to figure

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all of this shit's happening and then

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you're getting fires , gas

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leaks , like explosions from cars

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?

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Yeah , because on top of that , your entire infrastructure

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, so your water mains and gas lines , all

10:17

that stuff is just , oh , it's

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giving me goosebumps just to see if I fucking hate it .

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Okay , so alarm and

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cell phone alerts started only

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a few seconds before the earthquake

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. So realistically , depending on

10:30

where you were , you got those

10:32

alerts during the

10:34

earthquake . So how ?

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eerie , is that ? Yeah , just no time .

10:37

That would literally be like getting an amber alert

10:40

and like you get the description of the vehicle

10:42

literally seconds before you just saw a drive

10:44

away , right , how

10:47

eerie is that ? Like I don't even sign any of the

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alerts .

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Exactly . I don't need it , I'd

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rather not know . This is the same reason why I don't look at

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the weather . I don't want to know

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what's coming . I want to be pleasantly surprised .

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Some residents reportedly mistook

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the alert for

11:03

a continuation of an earlier

11:05

drill because a national earthquake

11:08

drill was held at 11

11:10

am that day , two hours

11:13

before this happened .

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Oh my god .

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What are the fucking odds of that ? Like that

11:17

gives me goosebumps in itself . Let's get

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a little bit out of her . So the drill

11:22

was to commemorate

11:24

the 1985

11:27

quake , because it happened on September 19th

11:29

. Sound familiar . There's no way

11:31

anybody took that alert seriously then so

11:33

, on September 19th 1985

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, an 8.1 magnitude earthquake killed 5,000

11:40

people , injured 30,000

11:42

and left a hundred thousand homeless . That's

11:44

the worst case . Coincidence that you

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are Commemorating

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all those people and all that loss that

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day 30 . I think it was like 32 years

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after that same day , you have this

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drill , you Whatever remember all

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these people that died and then , two hours later , you

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have almost the exact same , like you know

12:02

, a seven point one .

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Yeah , that's insane .

12:04

That's so wild .

12:06

Oh , what are the actual chances ?

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in 2017 , though the international

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response to this strategy was amazing

12:12

. So this is all according to Wikipedia

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, and I just wanted to like it's gonna

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be kind of lengthy , but I'm gonna try to go through it quickly

12:18

. So , according to Wikipedia , like I said , countries

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that came to Mexico's aid were

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Argentina , canada , chile , china

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, colombia , costa Rica , ecuador , el Salvador

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, germany , honduras , israel , japan

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, panama , peru , russia , spain , north

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South Korea , switzerland , turkey

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and the United States . The Vatican

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of Venezuela , like so many , people

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, all of them . Yes , but it

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was like listed all of it and I was like why I didn't want

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to say all of them . So Russia delivered

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35 tons of aid supplies to

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Mexico , including 24.5

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tons of canned goods and 64

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community-sized tents , which

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, when you read all this stuff , it really just puts

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in perspective how bad this was . China

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shipped 3,000 tents , along with more

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than 500 campcats . Canada

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sent 1500 family-sized tents

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. The Israel Defense Force

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sent a group of 71 search and

13:10

rescue soldiers . Japan International

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sent disaster relief team . Turkish

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state aid agency sent human

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it's humanitarian I

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can't say the word humanitarian thank you

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. Aid including packages containing , like , hygienic

13:24

and medical supplies . They provided tools

13:26

and equipment and they use , like for you , for

13:28

use of search and rescue efforts . This is

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cracks me up , because this is all like verbatim from

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Wikipedia . Us President

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Donald Trump called to offer

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condolences while the White . House offered

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search and rescue assistance .

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Of course he doesn't want to help Mexico .

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So , anyway , there's just so much help , right

13:47

? So there's so many Countries helping there's

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, they're sending all these resources like this is why

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you'll , when you think of it , so of

13:54

course , alongside like , a Ton of different celebrities donated

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the money , but I don't really care about them , so I didn't

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list them . So

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we've said it before and ask natural disasters

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or disasters in general . They , they do something

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right , they bring out the best in humanity , which

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is kind of one of those like it's so sad because

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you don't want this shit to happen , but then when you

14:12

see it , it's actually one .

14:12

Even Russia is sending aid right

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.

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So you know , where there is

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like a major tragic event , there's

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always one tragedy that

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like stands out from the major

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leap and it's like majorly reported on

14:26

right .

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So like you know what I mean like so with the one that

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kind of gets it to like pull at the heart strings .

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Yes , okay , so for

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the 2017 earthquake it was

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Frida Sophia . It's not for me .

14:37

Okay , it is all I mean . I remember

14:39

when this happened . The name I don't

14:42

know , but it's not ringing any bells .

14:44

Okay , well , frida Sophia was

14:46

a 12 year old girl Now . I wish

14:48

I could tell you that the spotlight was on her

14:50

for her Humanitarianism and volunteering

14:53

, but sadly that's not it .

14:55

Yeah , they need a tough one to

14:57

get the aid .

14:58

Frida Sophia was stuck under the

15:00

rubble of Enrique

15:02

Rebsaman school

15:04

. I think it's actually a rev salmon , rev salmon

15:06

, rev salmon . Whatever you get

15:08

it .

15:09

I can't help you with that one , sorry , everybody

15:11

.

15:11

I put it in abbreviation , so I remember

15:14

and I did it . Okay , so she's stuck under the rubble

15:16

in her school , okay , along with numerous

15:18

children and adults trapped , and they've

15:20

been there for more than 32 hours . Okay , got

15:23

it . So on Wednesday , workers told local

15:25

media that they had detected

15:27

a little girl . As you can imagine

15:29

, people Rallied around to rescue

15:31

little Frida . So they know that there's other people

15:34

in there , but they can primarily see her . So

15:36

naval Admiral Jose

15:38

Vergara Lara told

15:41

the media that after four hours of

15:43

rescue operations , they had detected a little

15:45

girl who was alive . She was alive and

15:47

, speaking to them through a whole , dug into

15:49

the rubble .

15:50

No , which is so fucking heartbreaking

15:52

. Just the claustrophobia right

15:54

.

15:55

So Dr Alfredo Vega said

15:57

that the girl who he identified as

15:59

Frida Sophia was basically sandwiched

16:02

between two slabs . Oh

16:05

my fucking 32

16:07

hours .

16:09

I might take back my tsunami answer . I

16:11

don't want to go through this .

16:13

I don't either , I don't know

16:15

. Okay , so he

16:17

said she is alive and she

16:19

is telling us that there are five more children

16:21

alive . So can you imagine this poor

16:23

twi , I've got something . Can you imagine this poor 12 year

16:26

old girl ? She's sandwiched between these two slabs

16:28

of what I don't know , but of course , the building

16:30

. So it can't be , it ain't gonna be great , no matter

16:32

what . And she's just basically saying

16:35

, like through this Little hole that like , yeah , I'm alive

16:37

and there's other children that are alive and

16:39

they have . They can't get to them .

16:41

That would just be so terrifying , I know

16:43

.

16:44

They were able to use thermal imaging

16:46

to see her and like possible

16:49

, multiple more people around

16:51

her . There was wild stuff . I mean they were

16:53

sending these like rabbits that were

16:55

trained rabbits for , like this , natural

16:57

disasters , and like sending them in with cameras to

16:59

different places just like to see if it

17:01

was safe , like wild , wild stuff . Okay

17:03

, at one point a rescue dog was

17:05

sent inside to confirm that she was alive

17:08

, so the rescue dog could get in with

17:10

the camera . I would assume like she's alive , okay

17:12

.

17:13

I don't like these rescue rabbits though .

17:15

Isn't that hilarious . At first I thought I said

17:17

rats , but then I no , it said rabbits

17:19

and I'm like that is so freaking cute

17:22

.

17:22

Interesting .

17:23

They brought in a little helmet , some little vest . Work

17:25

on this , the camera .

17:27

No padding , I'm working .

17:29

So rescuers called her to move

17:31

her hands if she could hear them

17:33

, because they could see that and they could see her little fingers

17:36

moving .

17:36

Okay .

17:37

And this just like sent social media and

17:39

rescuers like in a frenzy because they were like , oh

17:41

my God , there's hope , like

17:44

we got to get her . Like she's moving her little fingers , like

17:46

you know what I mean , like it's just one of those things that

17:48

it just like blew up and there's articles of like

17:50

her wiggling fingers , like it was just a

17:52

whole thing and it was just like their biggest

17:55

sign of hope at that point . So a volunteer

17:57

rescue , hector Menda , said that

17:59

it wasn't clear of anyone else , though besides

18:01

, that girl was actually alive . So she

18:03

maybe didn't realize , like she just could see

18:06

these other kids around her . She didn't really know

18:08

, or maybe they were in a class with her . You know what I mean

18:10

. She's saying that they're alive , but they're like

18:12

I don't think that they are . Yeah

18:14

, which is even more heartbreaking , mexican

18:16

newspaper Elle Universal reported

18:19

on September 21st Frida

18:21

said I'm thirsty , I'm

18:23

okay , please don't take too long

18:25

. Remember this happened on the 19th . This is

18:27

a 20 fricking first .

18:29

Yeah , it's already days .

18:30

I'm thirsty . I'm okay . Please

18:32

don't take too long .

18:34

If they can see her fingers , how can they not get water

18:36

to her ?

18:37

That's so funny , because my next line was people

18:39

are frantic to get her out , but they were actually feeding

18:41

her milk through a tube . Okay , and

18:44

they're doing milk obviously , so it's a little bit more than

18:46

water .

18:46

Yeah , get some actual nutrients

18:48

.

18:49

Oh , what a cry . So crews

18:51

are working around the clock to remove debris and

18:53

try to get in safely . The problem is

18:55

that this was a three story school , so you

18:57

have to think of everything that fell , and I don't

18:59

necessarily know what floor she was on

19:01

, but either way , three . You know what

19:04

I mean Like three layers , and

19:06

it's exactly . So they were using wide

19:08

steel pipes , big enough to crawl through , to

19:10

try to create a tunnel in .

19:12

Oh , that's smart .

19:13

Right so that they

19:15

could kind of get into and they wouldn't be if anything else kind of fell on

19:17

them . They could whatever . So it's just , it's

19:19

crazy madness . So

19:21

this is one of those situations , though , that it's like people

19:23

are volunteering and they're getting hurt and injured

19:26

and like dying , and like we kind of talk about this

19:28

with , like this plunking thing . It's like some of the rescuers

19:30

for swunkers they get trapped and they die themselves

19:32

.

19:32

It's like right , and they're getting into the exact

19:35

same precarious situation that

19:37

the person you're yeah .

19:39

Government rescue worker Alejandro Herrera

19:41

said there are sounds

19:43

, but we don't know if they are coming

19:46

from inside or if it is the sound

19:48

of the rubble , which is so creepy

19:50

to me because it

19:52

sounds like humans . Well , yeah

19:55

, so they can hear people like in there , they

19:57

can hear things in there , right , cause they've got like

19:59

cameras and stuff and it's like you don't know what

20:01

you're actually hearing , cause think of how eerie

20:03

that would be Like things are still collapsing

20:05

around you Like rubble and debris is moving , like

20:07

it's just so .

20:09

Oh , okay , so they don't know if it's people moving . I thought

20:11

they were confusing the sound of the

20:13

, the settling , with voices .

20:15

But kind of cause . It's like groaning and stuff

20:17

. Like are we hearing groanings ? Is it the settling

20:19

and what is it Like they're ? They don't know , it's

20:21

just it's wild and it's so sad . So

20:24

, like I was saying , this was highly reported

20:26

on little Sophia , frida

20:28

Sophia . So Mexican YouTuber Ryan

20:31

Hoffman tweeted little Frida Sophia

20:33

has survived 32 hours trapped under the

20:35

rubble , fighting for her life . A

20:37

real fighter . Soon she will be out

20:39

of it . That was shared 5,000

20:42

times . Hashtag Frida Sophia

20:44

was posted everywhere . Like

20:47

everywhere , this rescue mission

20:49

is like all that everybody could

20:51

talk about . So , like we said , there's

20:53

so much going on everywhere else , but

20:55

we are all honed in on this school with

20:57

this little 12 year old girl wiggling her

20:59

little fingers . Not that we shouldn't be , but

21:01

it's just one of those things where it's like there's so much

21:04

other stuff going on . This is

21:06

all the media , social media , news outlets

21:08

can hold onto is just to rescue

21:10

this little girl .

21:11

I feel like , maybe because there's like a little bit of hope that

21:14

they're trying to .

21:14

Yeah , okay . So

21:17

how are you feeling at this moment ?

21:19

Anxious , claustrophobic , sad . You

21:21

even have to ask Like

21:24

that's a stupid question , Kara why ?

21:26

didn't you know if you had any other feelings ? Okay

21:28

, Thrilled . So on Wednesday

21:31

there is said to be two or three bodies

21:33

found .

21:34

At the school , okay .

21:36

Like they get out their bodies . They're

21:38

not aware .

21:39

Yeah , I know , I figured that when you said bodies

21:41

.

21:42

I just told you about all this media coverage

21:44

and how big of a story this was right

21:46

. Yeah , no one came for Frida . What

21:48

do you ?

21:48

mean .

21:49

No one came for her .

21:50

Not all these rescuers .

21:51

Well , how would you have all

21:54

of this going on ? And no one came

21:56

for her that actually knew her , no

21:58

family , no friends , nobody

22:01

. That was like actually .

22:04

Like anybody who wasn't just a rando

22:06

Correct , is she not real ?

22:08

Well , or you could just say that her whole entire family

22:11

died .

22:11

But I'm just , I'm just putting this out there , okay , like

22:14

how weird is that ?

22:15

Because even you'd have to think that she probably has family somewhere else

22:17

that was seeing all of this Like , but nobody came

22:20

. I guess how do you get there ? Because you can't ? I don't know

22:22

.

22:22

It'd be very rare for the entire family

22:24

to Right , okay .

22:26

So now , how are you feeling ?

22:30

I mean not very different Kara . After

22:33

two days .

22:34

Right . Then no one's coming for her After

22:37

two days and what seemed to be a

22:39

hopeful rescue , like they were all , like we're

22:41

close , like you know , we're seeing little fingers , like

22:43

we're getting there . Navy assistant secretary

22:46

in Rake . I'm going to butcher this

22:48

. Sarmentillo , sarmentillo

22:50

, yep , sure had

22:52

announced that all the school's children had been accounted

22:54

for .

22:55

What .

22:56

But Sophie is still down there .

22:57

So when they're saying they're seeing her fingers , is this

22:59

on a camera or is it like out

23:01

of the ground these fingers are popping up ?

23:04

So that's the thing . I tried to actually

23:06

verify that for sure , and it goes

23:08

both ways . But the fingers were definitely

23:10

seen . She was seen on camera . They

23:13

spoke to her , they fed her milk , but

23:15

again , maybe she was just somebody's

23:18

daughter or something like teacher's daughter

23:20

that she brought in Like you

23:22

don't know or I don't know . Okay , so he stated

23:24

. We want to emphasize that we

23:26

have no knowledge about the report

23:29

that emerged with the name of

23:31

a girl . We do not believe . We

23:33

are sure it was not a reality . What

23:36

the fuck ? So you

23:38

have a Navy assistant

23:40

secretary reporting that now ?

23:43

Is this a Mexican Navy or

23:45

is this like a Navy ? Okay

23:47

?

23:48

So now Frida Sophia , like infuriated

23:50

Mexico , because they're like what is going

23:52

on ?

23:53

Are they still seeing her on camera ?

23:55

Well , they stopped the search . So basically

23:58

, even if this was like a feel

24:00

good story , it was like really harmful . So

24:02

Frida Sophia siphoned resources

24:05

away from other affected areas . Right , there

24:07

were plenty of other areas that could have used

24:09

those that dedicated time . And now

24:11

the government looks a little shady , as they

24:13

were being reported Like they were reporting

24:15

this as fact . Mexico City

24:17

started circulating instructions Like and

24:20

this is like a quote before sharing news

24:22

about the effects of an earthquake , verify

24:24

the information with government sources

24:26

. Rectify the data before top taking

24:29

any action , inform the appropriate authorities

24:31

, because none of this made sense

24:33

and people are furious

24:35

because they held on to this for like

24:37

days , like we talked about . If they're , they're

24:40

putting all this resource all this time . They're

24:42

trying to get in there and then all of a sudden

24:44

, every child is accountants where everybody in that building

24:46

is , but all the children For sure accounted for .

24:49

And now this is just off , because there's no

24:51

freedom Sophia . And not one

24:53

person ever has come for a thing . No that

24:55

was my kid , or whatever . Who is at the school

24:57

extra that day ? No , again .

24:59

This makes no sense . No we seen freedom , the camera

25:01

, we saw her fingers wiggle , we talked to her

25:03

and we fed her , so like what the hell is going

25:05

on now , like I said at the top of the

25:08

episode , in certain catastrophes

25:10

we cling to one event to focus

25:12

on , which is called Identifiable

25:14

victim effects , and the identifiable

25:17

victim effect describes the likelihood

25:19

that we feel Greater empathy

25:21

and the urge to help in situations

25:23

where trad tragedies are about a

25:26

specific Identifiable

25:29

Individual , compared to a situation

25:32

where the victims are a larger , vaguer group

25:34

of people , which is kind of like what we talked about

25:36

.

25:36

Yeah , it makes sense because then you're you

25:38

can Personify like the whole catastrophe

25:41

to one person and it's easier to do that

25:43

.

25:44

Then think about a whole like group Okay

25:46

was this a feel-good story to bring

25:48

everyone together ? But like , how

25:50

would the outcome be good ? So , like if somebody

25:52

was just like oh my god , let's try to like , I

25:55

don't know why I don't agree with that one

25:57

? Because you could have Found an actual

25:59

struggling person right , I'm

26:02

just saying , but I just don't know what the outcome would have

26:04

been , because we know it's not gonna be good Because we're never gonna find

26:06

her or we're gonna have to say she's dead , if

26:08

that's it's weird .

26:09

It's sort of like when people fake like a terminal illness

26:11

. If you're gonna fake something , that big

26:13

people are invested in the outcome .

26:15

Because if she's not real , you can't rescue her .

26:17

Yeah , right , you like you can't come back from

26:19

that story once it I don't know . Okay

26:21

, go on .

26:22

Okay , so Follaya

26:24

do . Or shared

26:26

psychosis is A rare

26:29

psychotic syndrome in which symptoms

26:31

of a delusional belief , and sometimes

26:33

hallucinations , are Transmitted

26:36

from one individual to another . So

26:38

this can be brought on by stress or being socially

26:41

isolated together . So where

26:43

the volunteer is making like working close

26:45

together , experiencing this , and like social

26:47

media allowed it to like get out of hands , like

26:49

maybe they were , I don't know .

26:51

It almost um . It kind

26:54

of reminds me of third man syndrome . Have you ever

26:56

heard of that ? I don't know . Usually , when

26:58

like people are in like

27:00

a really intense Survival

27:03

situations like there

27:05

was these group of mountain climbers who were

27:07

they ? Something happened like an avalanche

27:09

or something they get stranded . They have to go way off course

27:12

and like it's a survival story , right . But

27:14

all three people in the group started

27:17

to see a fourth person who

27:19

is like weird leading

27:21

them . We're it's , it's

27:24

unknown , it's like .

27:25

I've never heard of that . That's so weird

27:27

.

27:27

I've tried to write that episode a couple times . I just like

27:29

I can't wrap my head around it either . But it's like

27:32

in these perilous situations this

27:34

like figure of hope almost emerges

27:36

to like so it's kind of cool , like it's not , like it's

27:38

a bad thing , I know and

27:40

they don't know if it's more of like a psychological

27:42

like you said , like the hallucination sort of deal

27:44

, or if it's , like you know , your

27:46

actual psychic energy producing

27:48

this thing . But like that Maybe

27:51

would explain it a little bit . But like usually that person

27:53

is helping , not being help , right

27:55

okay , so a Tulpa

27:58

.

27:58

So a Tulpa as a materialized

28:01

being or thought form , typically

28:03

in human form , created through intense

28:05

concentration . Modern practitioners

28:08

call themselves Tulpa Mansers

28:10

, and so they have a dumb down version

28:13

of like a way to explain it , and it's basically a type

28:15

of a willed imaginary friend . Yeah

28:17

, I'm sure you know that I lean more towards

28:19

an agregor , what in

28:22

which is an esoteric concept

28:24

Representing a non physical entity

28:26

or a thought form that arises from

28:28

the collection , like collective thoughts

28:30

and emotions of a Distinct

28:32

group or individuals . So to me that's more

28:35

like kind of what maybe happened here , because

28:37

we have a bunch of people like talking about

28:39

it and bringing it about . You know what I mean . So

28:41

, I don't know . So did , like one rescuer

28:43

, think there was a

28:45

little girl down there and then social media made

28:47

the thought form come true Type of deal , you

28:49

know , because you have all these people thinking it's real

28:52

and the hashtags and all this stuff . So you

28:54

know , or I don't know , maybe there

28:56

was just the spirit of a little girl , so kind of like what

28:58

you were thinking . So maybe , like , maybe

29:00

it was a little girl that , like she died , like

29:02

Frida Sofia , like at a different time , and she was

29:04

trying to help others get rescued possibly

29:07

which I love that thought can you imagine . Maybe

29:09

she had nothing to do with this , she just had died

29:11

a while ago at that school or something , and they were

29:13

like what about ?

29:15

are there other buildings nearby where

29:17

she could have gotten trapped into that one that

29:19

, like , maybe weren't accounted for ?

29:21

Possibly , but nobody ever came for her , which

29:23

is so weird and no one's ever come . So

29:26

it's just , it's really weird . So here's

29:30

where we could maybe debunk

29:32

everything if we want to . Okay

29:34

, I will tell you that there was a student

29:37

named Sophia that was there okay

29:39

. And the rescue dogs name was

29:41

Frida , so did

29:43

somehow somebody get this all fucked

29:45

up ?

29:46

Right , and then once you get a couple other people

29:48

involved , then it just I could see

29:50

that , but I feel like those are two also

29:52

very common names in Mexico

29:55

.

29:55

Yeah , but I'm just saying what

29:57

are the chances that the rescue dogs

29:59

name was Frida ? Now I don't

30:01

actually know . I will actually let me say

30:03

this this is one article that

30:06

said that the dog's freedom . So let

30:08

me actually just put that out there . I'm not

30:10

holding that one to a high , but

30:13

I'm just letting you know to possibility . So

30:15

this really could just be a story of complete confusion

30:17

and hysteria , like we have

30:19

so many thoughts of what it could be , and it could just be

30:21

everybody's going wild , right . Mm-hmm so

30:24

Spanish newspaper

30:26

alpias attributed the case of

30:28

the girl that wasn't to

30:31

a lie or a collective psychosis

30:33

, suggesting it mirrors the

30:35

story of Manchito

30:38

. Now I'm sure you're wondering who

30:40

is Manchito ? Who ?

30:42

is Manchito .

30:43

Remember way back when I told you

30:45

about September 19th 1985

30:49

oh my god , that 8.1 magnitude earthquake , which

30:51

is still such an odd coincidence . Well

30:54

, manchito was the

30:56

ghost boy . Manchito was

30:58

a nine-year-old boy said to be trapped

31:00

under the rubble of his apartment that collapsed

31:03

because of the 1985 earthquake . I

31:05

have goosebumps right now . So the story is pretty

31:07

close to Frida . Louise Ramon

31:09

and his family were sleeping when the earthquake

31:12

struck . Besides himself and

31:14

his grandfather , the rest of the family escaped

31:16

and , from what I can tell , it was his mother , father

31:18

and grandmother . So they all got out . Him

31:21

and grandpa didn't make it . So

31:23

Wednesday , almost a week after

31:25

the earthquake , rescuers determined using

31:28

knocks that there was someone alive

31:30

in the apartment . They were knocking . They

31:32

were getting knocks back . So they were

31:34

like oh my god , somebody's under there . They

31:36

determined it was a child named

31:39

Manchito , which was Louise's

31:41

nickname , like because he signaled with the knock

31:44

yes , is your name Manchito ? Yes

31:46

, okay , like with Frida

31:49

, they make tunnels to try to get

31:51

to the boy , but by Friday they

31:53

still had no contact . But we're still

31:55

getting responses . So again

31:57

, this is like a week later , like

31:59

a long time has gone by , like this is

32:01

even longer . We're getting these responses

32:04

, which is just what it's so weird . Jose

32:07

Negrete are merged from the

32:09

building Friday to say that voice

32:11

contact with Luis Ramón had been

32:13

made . So he was a volunteer and he's saying

32:16

there was voice contact .

32:17

Oh , so now it's passed the knocks . They're

32:19

actually hearing .

32:20

Correct . So multiple efforts

32:23

, volunteers , equipment have been bringing in . So

32:25

again , like Sophia , to reach the boy

32:27

. Just like Sophia , the rescue

32:29

attempts were aggressive and widely publicized

32:31

, but after 17 days

32:34

they stopped because

32:36

there was no possibility of anyone being

32:38

alive under there and he was

32:40

never found .

32:41

So that's what I was going to ask , too about . I

32:44

keep forgetting if her first name is Frida or so .

32:46

Frida .

32:47

Frida . Obviously , they still had to clean up

32:49

everything once the

32:51

dust had left they never found a body

32:53

.

32:53

Okay , so in the same way as

32:55

Frida Hope turned it , it

32:57

was thought that there was like like Hope

32:59

just turned , they were like nope , absolutely not . And then

33:01

they were thinking he was never alive , because

33:04

one of the architecture like architecture

33:06

or whatever that was like helping with this building , was like there's

33:08

no fucking way that this whole entire apartment

33:10

or building collapsing , anybody could have

33:12

survived even a day

33:15

, let alone 17

33:17

.

33:18

Yeah , yeah , there's no way you're living 17

33:20

. So what point did the voices and the knocks

33:22

stop ?

33:22

So that's a thing . They

33:24

never really said that they stopped . They're

33:26

just like there's no way that we can continue

33:29

this , because it's been 17 days , there's no way

33:31

he's actually alive and we can't keep putting

33:33

resources into this . And he was never

33:35

found . So , according to the Spanish

33:37

newspaper that same one I talked about earlier a

33:39

psychologist deemed the incident

33:42

a product of collective psychosis

33:44

, which is the same thing as , like the shared

33:46

psychosis . That's

33:49

just so bizarre . So AJ Willingham

33:52

put it perfectly in her CNN

33:54

article crisis and

33:56

chaos can often scatter reason

33:59

and push us back to our more basic

34:01

functions , and emotion , it

34:03

seems , is the ultimate override

34:05

. So now we can discuss .

34:07

Yeah , no , that makes total sense . What I'm starting to think is

34:09

, like there's a section , what

34:12

is it called the fusiform face gyrus ? Right

34:14

, the section of your brain that is

34:16

one . It helps you recognize people's faces

34:19

that you've met before , but it's always looking for patterns

34:21

. It's the portion of why , when you like

34:23

, you can see a face on the front of the car , or you

34:25

can see things in the clouds , right ? Is

34:27

it something like that as a brain

34:29

function , where you're so focused

34:32

on all this rubble to find a human that

34:34

you start to see it ?

34:35

To see a human .

34:36

Maybe the wiggling of the fingers , maybe there was some

34:38

movement in the ground and they thought they were close

34:40

to her hand . And it's just

34:42

you start to . Your hope takes over

34:44

your reasoning .

34:46

I don't know . Here's what I think like the choice

34:48

of words , especially in the 2017

34:50

one that they use , like not

34:53

a reality . And you know , like Mexico

34:56

and I feel like that culture is very spiritual

34:59

and just like all that kind of stuff

35:01

, and I don't know , it's just like the way that they worded

35:03

these types of things , like it's not a reality

35:05

. It just kind of tells me everything I need to

35:07

know , Like I think they're , they be a ghost

35:10

.

35:10

I don't know . I mean , I could definitely see that right

35:12

. You're going to have more spirits in the area

35:14

than we're just there at that time . So maybe if you're

35:17

feeding it and giving it your energy like it's like

35:19

, all right , give me the milk and the resources

35:21

. I'm finally getting some attention here .

35:23

The biggest difference is Manchito was an

35:25

actual boy , Like his family was thinking

35:27

he's a live this entire time . Right , we're

35:29

free to nobody .

35:32

Nobody came for him . His family

35:34

just never found him .

35:35

Correct , because remember him and the grandpa , but

35:38

the thing is is that they don't ever think

35:40

he was alive . But

35:42

then they're like , well then , who was knocking , tapping

35:45

and like wrapping on

35:47

the walls and shit in response to our

35:49

questions . But it's the same thing . Like Sophia

35:51

, like okay , like you just said , yeah , maybe we probably

35:54

did see stuff , because even when you look in the dark

35:56

woods , you're staring and you're staring and you're

35:58

staring , you start to see things . Okay , right , because

36:00

your brain does that weird shit . But it's like

36:02

okay , so , but we hurt her , we

36:04

fed her .

36:05

What yeah , it makes zero

36:07

sense .

36:08

And it's like these knocks are in response

36:10

to these questions that we're asking . They're not just

36:12

like random knocks . And then that one man

36:14

said he got verbal confirmation

36:17

.

36:18

So what does the government say about

36:20

it , where they just kind of on the it's not reality

36:22

. Okay .

36:23

That was a government official that said it is not

36:25

reality .

36:26

So strange .

36:28

Isn't that weird . So I think it's some sort

36:30

I don't know . I just think it's that culture over there

36:32

. I just think it's fantastic

36:34

for that type of stuff .

36:36

Yeah , no , I could definitely see that . I mean , there could be

36:38

so many other things .

36:39

like you know , with Frida Sophia , with it being

36:41

such a , you know , a publicized thing

36:43

, like really publicized because there was internet

36:45

at that time , social media , it really could

36:47

just be like an agriborical . That , just like

36:50

you know , got a little bit confused . Somebody thought they heard

36:52

Frida Sophia . It went way

36:55

bigger than it needed to be and maybe they couldn't

36:57

back out of it . I don't know .

36:58

See , and that's where I was totally

37:00

on , you know my skeptic brain I was totally on

37:02

the skepticism part once you started

37:04

started to lead me to the

37:06

fact that she wasn't actually physically . There

37:09

is that mass hysteria

37:11

because I can see that with

37:13

like I can do the you think it's

37:16

fingers moving the rubble or whatnot , but

37:18

it's the synchronicity or the coincidence

37:20

when you start to look at it was the same day 30

37:22

years prior and then a similar situation

37:24

. That adds a whole another level of just

37:27

like okay , but wait , oh

37:29

, god damn it .

37:30

On September 19th 2022

37:33

, there was another major earthquake

37:36

Shut up , so Mexico

37:39

now thinks of this as a cursed

37:41

day , and with three earthquakes and

37:43

two ghost children , I'd say so .

37:45

Okay , I was waiting for the third ghost child

37:48

.

37:48

I really wanted there to be one , but there

37:50

wasn't . I really wanted

37:52

there to be one .

37:53

There wasn't that caught everyone's attention

37:55

.

37:55

This is true , it probably was , but

37:58

so September the Mexican government's

38:00

like we're not going down that again .

38:02

Cut that story until we have a body

38:04

.

38:04

Don't run it . So September 19th

38:07

, don't be in Mexico .

38:08

No , I think I'm good , I'll stay here in . Michigan

38:10

, where we don't have fault lines .

38:12

Isn't that wild , though I still don't really know

38:14

, I think . I think there's little ghost children . Hey

38:17

, I wonder if it's um well , I definitely

38:19

think Frida Sophia is a little ghost child and

38:21

I think she's trying to help people get

38:23

out , like those five children there , alive

38:25

Maybe they were alive at that time .

38:27

She's trying to yeah , like helping , leave

38:29

them to it because you're right , it is . You know , especially

38:31

like the , the Mayan culture

38:33

, right , was very spiritual and very much

38:35

of the earth too . So you

38:37

have to think some of that remains , especially

38:39

into Mexican culture , and you know the

38:42

day of the dead and the lost ancestors .

38:44

That's what I'm saying .

38:44

They always come back .

38:46

Absolutely . That's what I'm saying .

38:47

So I think you're in the period of the year

38:49

where the veil is thinner at that time .

38:51

But yeah , no it's .

38:52

It's just a very strange Isn't

38:54

that so crazy ? I could write it off

38:56

so easily if it happened once , a happening three

38:58

times , with two similar situations and possibly

39:01

the third one just never got reported

39:03

. That's wild .

39:04

That is what's so weird and

39:06

I do have to shout

39:09

out was like a reel that caught my attention and I think

39:11

it's called our creep time , or creep time , and

39:13

it's this guy that just does little bits of creepy stuff

39:15

and he was just talking about her and

39:17

when I started looking into it and then Manchito

39:19

popped up and then the fact that there's three

39:21

earthquakes on the September 19th , I'm like this is actually

39:24

like how deep does this go ? Right , this

39:26

is actually weirder than just Frito

39:28

, which is interesting crazy enough

39:31

as itself . So remember

39:34

, before sharing news about the effects

39:36

of an earthquake , verify the

39:38

information with government sources

39:40

, rectify the data before taking

39:42

any action and form the appropriate

39:45

authorities .

39:45

Okay , and make sure you're looking at actual

39:47

fingers before you pour milk on them . So

39:50

weird yeah I . I

39:52

understand why they gave her milk , but like

39:54

if I'm . I just

39:56

want water , truthfully some ice

39:58

cold water , Then again

40:01

I'll throw up . You're not supposed to drink the

40:03

water . So , I what

40:05

can't they . I would . I thought they would

40:07

just have to drink like bottles and I can't imagine

40:09

there's like tons of it . I don't know , maybe I don't know

40:12

.

40:12

I could be really ignorant , but I thought it was one of those things

40:14

like if you visited , you shouldn't drink , because you

40:16

didn't grow up there and you're not used to it , but they

40:18

because you have like no immunity .

40:19

Oh you know you might be

40:22

right on that . I have no idea . I'm talking out of

40:24

my ass .

40:24

All right . Well , that's what I have for you a little

40:26

Frida Sophia and Manchito

40:28

, nice I .

40:30

I'm so glad that we're recording later than

40:32

normal so I can sit and ponder this . I'm probably

40:34

gonna do some some googling , because this is

40:36

just like it's just really weird

40:38

.

40:39

It's those coincidences are so crazy . Here's

40:41

what really gags me . This is

40:44

that can you imagine you go at

40:46

11 am To like a drill

40:48

, a remembrance memorial , and

40:50

then two hours later , the exact

40:52

same fucking thing that you remember , like what ?

40:55

and that's like . So I listened to a

40:57

lot of NPR and they're always testing the

40:59

emergency alert system and I think

41:02

the amount of tests we do of the systems

41:04

make us Super numb

41:06

to them , because I don't even react so like if something

41:08

were actually well . That's like we

41:10

live in Michigan . Okay , if a tornado actually

41:13

hit on a Saturday , not one

41:15

person would go for cover , because that's when they test the tornado

41:17

systems .

41:18

I mean this is true , definitely true

41:20

. I feel like this is obviously just a crazy

41:22

coin . Well , I don't think it's coincidence , but

41:24

in the term of things , this is a crazy coincidence

41:27

that it's just like they were doing that

41:29

memorial that day , which happened

41:31

to be somewhat of a drill . But I

41:34

mean again , like I was kind of saying they were getting

41:36

that emergency alert as it was happening

41:38

. So it wasn't even like , yes , some

41:40

of them got it where they thought it was just part

41:42

of like the earlier drill , but like some

41:44

were getting it literally as it was happening

41:46

.

41:47

Yeah , I mean , how much warning do you get on some of

41:49

that stuff ? Dang freaking though , wow

41:52

, wild , okay . Well , you've

41:54

left me with more questions than answers

41:56

, but I think that's what we're here for

41:58

. So you accomplished .

41:59

Um , so we're not . That's all we have for you .

42:01

I'm trying to think of something to wrap it up with , but I'm just

42:04

so stuck on what it could be .

42:05

Is it a weird ? It's a weird one .

42:07

It is one of those weird just like this is

42:09

strange . If you all have theories

42:12

, if you all have run into ghost kids

42:14

Right on . Let us know your

42:16

thoughts .

42:17

I know Kara's not gonna like unless you want to make

42:19

, here we go maybe this will work .

42:21

If you want to make Kara uncomfortable

42:23

, right in about ghost kids . She

42:25

loves them .

42:28

We're kind of get on it and blocks have stories about

42:30

this . Okay , well , that's

42:33

really all I have for you . It's so late here , I'm

42:35

very tired . Nice job , though

42:37

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43:06

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