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Welcome to the oddity shop , where

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the bizarre is always on sale

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.

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Hey , welcome in your oddballs . I'm

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Karen . This is Zach .

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Hi , welcome to the oddity shop

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, where we Tell you creepy , weird , odd

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, strange , disturbing

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, disturbing , witchy , mystery

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stories from around the world . Okay

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, yeah , I'm trying to throw some

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different adjectives .

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Mistical yeah

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or really just .

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Sometimes I get adjectives and adverbs

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mixed up . But yes , it is adjectives .

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It's fine Schoolhouse rock Conjunction

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, junction , Conjunction . What's

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your function ?

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I thought you would be more proud of me for the fact

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that I said hi instead

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of hello , because you've been giving me so much

1:09

shit for that .

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Well , I was gonna just ignore it , because I like when

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you say hello , well , I'll go back to

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it then Anyway .

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You can not tell me how to say things .

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What the fuck is happening . What

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is happening ? What's new ?

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What's good , my car is

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fully repaired . Woo

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, I was expected I needed all new brakes and

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rotors , but it was done in like

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Okay , I've never actually taken a

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car in and then had it done

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in a decent amount of time . Three hours

1:36

.

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Oh , I thought you meant Okay , never mind yeah .

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And on top of it I also , so

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it was a morning right . I said last week I had to go

1:45

to the dentist and drop my car off . It was the same day

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. Okay , listen to what happened . And I know

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you know this because I texted you accidentally

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. But I wake up at 8.06 to

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Morena calling me , who works at my dentist's

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office , saying where are you ? Because I was supposed to

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be there at 8 . So I'm

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in there by 8.20 , which I was

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impressed with . Then I have to drop my car

2:05

off right afterwards , so I drive to

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the garage I usually take it to and

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he's like you don't have an appointment . I'm like yes , I do . Oh

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, you do , you made it at our other location

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. I'm like shit . So he's

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like we'll fit you in whatever . Then

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he's like but we don't have

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your shuttle that you scheduled

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because you didn't schedule to get to work

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. Right , I had to call my roommate

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and I'm like , julia , could you come pick me up ? She's like , yeah , sure

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, so she was texting me the address , so

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I'm waiting for her to confirm it , or whatever . And

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then Cara texts me and she's like why did you send me this ? I

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sent you the address .

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Yeah , I can't even

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remember what my response was , but at first

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I thought did I forget to do

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something Like ? I was like I

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don't know why . I mean , I was just getting ready for work and

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I was like oh shit , what did I ? Did I forget

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? I don't know why . I thought that I was

2:53

supposed to do something for you when I panicked

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it's all good . Oh , it's all good . Oh , my God

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, I

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don't really have anything new . You know what ?

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though today is Thanksgiving for

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anyone who's listening on release dates , so happy

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Thanksgiving .

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Sugar , what it's Gobble Gobble Day

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.

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I know it's not for us , but I'm

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going to put you on the spot .

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What are you ?

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thankful

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for you . Aw Well

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, I'm thankful for everyone

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who's actually listened to this , and

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I guess you too .

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That's a lot of thankful things , right

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, thankfuls , yeah

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, okay . Well , yeah , happy turkey to eat some

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shit . I don't really

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have anything new , but this is actually really

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funny . So I was

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thinking about what I wanted to say , you

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know , like whatever , and I was like you know what I really

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want to shout out one of my coworkers , anthony , because

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he really is one of those coworkers

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that he calms me

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down and talks to

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the ledge daily and it's so sweet

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because he is like the sweetest husband

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and father and it's just like . Really , he's just one of those

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coworkers where , like I'm like , if he's up

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there , my day is horrible .

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I love how you like . He's the sweetest husband and father

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. It sounds like you're literally married . Is he your work

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husband ?

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I don't know if that's like a , can you use that term

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? Is that okay ? But yeah , I mean I guess he

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does say he's I don't know .

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I called you my work wife for years . Well , you're

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gay , though , so it's not .

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Yeah , but . I've had work , I don't know because I

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read this article that said we should

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stop saying that , which I don't even know what it meant . We

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should stop saying that because it like could be offensive .

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And I was like oh my God , there's an article saying everything is offensive

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.

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I know , but anyway I really don't care . He

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tells customers that , but anyway I'm

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like wait , no , this is the funny part about this is that

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I already was going to shout

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him out . Sometimes he listens and he literally

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texts me at eight 20 . Hold on , he

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texts me earlier , right , and said , oh sorry

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, blah , blah , blah . He's like aren't you supposed to be

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recording anyways ? Why are you , why are you replying

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? And I said I'm recording at eight at

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FYI , right ? So then he says well

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, I'll be sure to ask you a dumb question after

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eight to throw you off . Totally forgot about it . This

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is his question Are you ready ?

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Oh , he has the question this week .

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Yeah , if you could communicate with vegetables

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, which one would make the best conversational

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list , and why ?

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Oh right , not potato . Potato

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would be really really

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.

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Why did potato go to my head instantly

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? But star .

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Oh , I was going to say star fruit , but it literally

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has fruit in it

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.

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Wait , oh my God . Speaking

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of potatoes , do you remember those random

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potatoes on the bench in Troy ? It

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pops up in my memories me and you sitting on

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the bench with those potatoes .

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Why ? And they would show up constantly

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.

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And somebody drew faces on these potatoes . I

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honestly was going to post it on our Instagram

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, but we looked so bad in this

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picture .

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Oh , I'm sure .

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But the freaking potatoes were so creepy and they kept showing up Anyway

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so not . Yes , okay , so not potatoes

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.

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Maybe eggplant , because I feel like you know they've

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kind of been having their moment in the emoji

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world for a few years . They got some

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stories to tell .

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Okay , eggplant . I'm going to text him that eggplant

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Perfect .

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Are you ready for my question ? For you

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, yes , and

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I know you and I know you're going to ask

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a follow up , wanting to know the situation in more detail

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so you can answer . So the question is

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written is how long would you wait for a man

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and it's any man , any

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situation the most amount of time

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that you would wait ?

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What the fuck Now you've . It's too

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vague now I know .

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I just don't know you .

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How long are we saying oh

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, but you said any situation . Okay , so it's not

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just waiting . I'll make it easier for you .

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Okay , aaron's told you he'll

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be home soon . Okay , let's say three

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hours have gone by . How much longer are you waiting

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before you fly off the handle ?

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First off , I would have already flown

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off the handle . Yeah , that's true

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. Are you kidding ? Soon

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to me is like like

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20 minutes . I'm maybe not even that

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but like 30 minutes . I'd be like okay

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, where are you ? I'd be calling you at like 30

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. 45 , I'd be like the hell

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.

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I mean I literally went . When

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Nick drives out here and it says we can drive here

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, right , like I know how long it is from

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door to door , and once we're one minute past that , I'm

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like where are you ? Whose house are you at ? Turn

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your location ?

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on You're psychotic .

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I do it to be annoying , but like

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it's been such a trend , now we

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have this , um , this make believe

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man , I'm like , are you hanging out with Al again ? Cause

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one time he , one time , two years

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ago , he missed texting .

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I remember .

7:30

So now , whenever I'm like trying to which

7:32

was so funny .

7:33

I don't hear Al Al

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.

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Nick's proverbial boyfriend .

7:38

Wait , what's Al short for Al

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Al Dove , is it ?

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Yeah .

7:42

Why would ? I wouldn't want to go by Al , I would

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just go by Alan . Okay , and he's

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just . No

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. There are no duplicate replicas Duplicates

7:52

. There are no duplicates of Alan

7:54

. Yeah , I don't understand .

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All right , are you ready , now that

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we've laughed a little bit , before we get into kind of a sad story

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?

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Oh , that question had nothing to do with the story ?

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Oh , it does .

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Okay , cool .

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Oh , then that's sad . So it's also

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Thanksgiving related again , so

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we're on the trend this week .

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We're trying to be on top of it Right .

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And today is actually Thanksgiving . So

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, yeah , okay , I

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don't want to give you too many details , but

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I'm just going to say does the beautiful

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stranger ring any bell ?

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No , but what's that song ? Beautiful

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stranger , are you ?

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thinking of beautiful disaster ? No

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, you are .

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Beautiful stranger . No , it isn't

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like a 90s song .

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Beautiful disaster is .

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No hold on it's Madonna .

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Beautiful stranger . Oh see , I was thinking

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311 , which

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is also , you know , 90s .

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Yeah , I don't know that song .

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Okay , our story starts off with

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the iconic historic

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Hotel Del Coronado

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. Oh , I want to go here . Okay

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, then you probably do know this story . Keep

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, keep the spoilers to yourself , then

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, but Okay , I will try . The

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Hotel Del for short , is

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a luxury beachside hotel

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and resort in Coronado

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, california , which is

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right in the Bay of San

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Diego and it was an island

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but they built a land bridge to it . But when it was built it

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was an island . And you know , the funny thing is

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is I've been to city

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cliffs multiple times

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, which is right across the bay from here , and I've

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looked at it and had no idea that it was a haunted

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place . But oh shoot , spoiler

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. Anyway , gorgeous

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sprawling resort . I

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mean , it's grown so much it now has five different neighborhoods

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in the resort itself with

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like all the activities , all the amenities

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you could desire . It is really

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cool to look at those . So obviously you've

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seen it and like the main

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building of it , the first original building

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was super Victorian , but it's like

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the California Victorian , not not

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what we do in Michigan . So it kind of kind

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of reminds me almost of the style

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of the Winchester House a little bit yeah .

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I can see that .

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But that . So this is the original

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neighborhood or building , so they just call

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it the Victorian , aptly named

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. So it was built in 1886

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. Or the project was

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started in 1886 . So Alicia

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Babcock Jr and Hampton

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L Story , which are crazy

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names .

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Wait , my name is Hampton .

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Hampton and Alicia Hampton

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. They were businessmen , but

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not in the hotel industry . But they they

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fell in love .

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Wait , Alicia was a Alicia's a boy .

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E L I S H A yes E

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Leisha .

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Isn't that , elijah , elijah .

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I don't know . I think it's Elijah

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. Okay , well , we're going to go with

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the founders from here and out , just in case . Well

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, the founders fall in love with the natural

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beauty of Coronado Beach . They

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meet up with a developer whose

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name is Alonso Horton

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and they decided to buy

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the island to build a magnificent

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hotel . There would be the talk of the

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Western world in an iconic place

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that people will continue to come

11:13

long after they are gone .

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I think we need our pinkies up .

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And out Pinkie out . So , over the next

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few years , though , the founders created the

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Coronado Coronado

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Beach Company , a fairy

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company , water company , railroad

11:29

and power company .

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Dang .

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Bill . So it was just an island . They built basically

11:34

the entire city of Coronado and

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then they also decide like right on the coast

11:39

, kind of looking back at , san Diego

11:41

, is where the site for the hotel del

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Coronado would be . I'm

11:46

just using the del from here and out because if I say Coronado

11:49

too many more times , I know , because it's like you

11:51

have to go slow . I have to focus

11:53

on each row . After

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they created the town , though , they sold

11:59

off a ton of the land for people to move on

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to the island , and then , through the process

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of selling off the parcels for

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residential builds , they

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raised a bunch of money . So by mid

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1887 , they

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start construction on the hotel . More

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than 250 men build the

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destination resort and the

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humongous Victorian building . Honestly

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, you really like I know you know what it looks like . But

12:24

if you don't know what it looks like , pause us now take

12:26

a look at the pictures . It is gorgeous

12:29

. I just love

12:31

Victorian architecture , though .

12:33

I just love what any time you like . So

12:35

it's , it is gorgeous

12:38

.

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You know when I feel like that is so my parents

12:41

coming out of me , because that's how my mom explains things

12:43

, like I feel like I've heard her say that , okay

12:46

, by mid 19 or 1888

12:50

, the buildings completed , the tallest structure

12:52

of which is over 120 feet tall

12:54

, which for like pre 1900

12:56

, that's pretty impressive . So

12:59

they bring in all the amenities exotic fruit

13:01

trees , huge gardens , billiard rooms

13:03

, ballroom rooms , ballrooms

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. That's what

13:07

I'm trying to say they build

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these expensive verandas

13:12

and like have health resorts . So

13:14

you know your spouse .

13:15

I love the word veranda .

13:17

I know , and I just want one , so bad .

13:19

Okay question Do they still

13:21

have ballrooms and hotels

13:23

anymore ? Yeah , do they ? So

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a lot of like a bank . I guess it's

13:28

like a banquet home .

13:29

They'll still call them a ballroom , but a lot of them are used

13:31

for , like , convention centers , yeah

13:33

, weddings and stuff . But yeah , they still call them ballrooms

13:36

.

13:36

Yeah .

13:36

I guess Probably just because

13:38

of the work I've done , bent a few

13:40

more ballroom conventions .

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Ballroom Pinky pinky

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.

13:47

But yeah , so I mean , since the late 1800s

13:49

this place has only grown . It's still operated

13:52

and open today , but

13:54

this ain't no podcast about architecture

13:56

. So we can

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start talking about one of the hotels earliest

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and most famous guests , who

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becomes nicknamed the beautiful Stranger . So

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we are going back to Thanksgiving

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day , which was November 25th

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1892 , just

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a couple of years after the hotel was open

14:16

to the public . All right , so on this day

14:18

, a beautiful young woman checks

14:20

into the hotel as she gets a room

14:22

registered under the name Lottie

14:25

A Bernard from

14:27

Detroit , michigan . Oh

14:30

, I don't know if I knew that . Yeah

14:32

, you'll know why in a minute .

14:35

Didn't I .

14:35

Okay , I did know that a couple of minutes . She

14:38

was described , described , described

14:40

, described as very ladylike

14:43

. She had fine clothing but nothing

14:45

too fancy . But it was also noted

14:47

she had no luggage with her .

14:49

Oh question , Is it Lottie

14:51

like L-O-T-T-Y ?

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L-O-T-T-I-E .

14:54

IE Lottie Lottie , lottie Lottie

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.

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Okay , lottie has no luggage , just

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a small handbag . That's weird and

15:02

she is only 24 years old . Oh

15:04

, over the next couple

15:06

of days she leaves a little

15:08

bit of an impression on the staff . Okay

15:10

, they kind of noticed she's very

15:13

like has an air of melancholy

15:15

about her . She seems to be

15:17

a little bit like troubled or anxious

15:20

. So the

15:22

maid who is like assigned to her room remember

15:24

, this is 1800 . So like it

15:26

wasn't just like a maid who came by once a day

15:28

, right , like she would there to like draw the

15:30

bath and do all the things , yeah , and

15:33

she had a lot of conversations with Lottie who

15:35

complained of pain from

15:38

stomach cancer that she said would eventually

15:40

take her life . Oh , she

15:42

was always kind of looking out for , like

15:44

asking around to see if anybody

15:46

had shown up for her or sent a letter

15:48

, and would get quite upset

15:51

when they would tell her no . And

15:53

once after drawing Lottie's bath

15:56

, the maid is pretty sure that she stopped

15:59

and attempted suicide because

16:02

Lottie had been in the bathtub for over two

16:04

hours .

16:04

When she came out she was noted

16:06

she was drenched down to the roots of her

16:08

hair , which was kind

16:11

of a Well , you didn't really wash your

16:13

hair like nowadays , so it wasn't

16:15

like a thing like where you would have , like

16:18

where she would have been under water .

16:19

Like she wouldn't have been getting her hair wet , yeah , and

16:21

they just kind of noticed she seemed very sad

16:23

, lonely and nervous .

16:25

I'm sorry . How many days is this over

16:27

? Do we know ?

16:28

It's over three days . Okay , at

16:31

one point she told the staff that

16:33

she was expecting her brother to

16:35

arrive at the hotel , when she had just

16:38

kept asking if anybody had shown up for her or

16:40

any letters . She

16:42

told a few people that the especially one

16:44

of the bell boys , that her brother was a doctor

16:46

and was supposed to help her with the cancer

16:49

. So when the bell

16:51

boy told her that nobody had arrived for her

16:53

, she was very

16:56

, very upset and stated that nobody comes

16:58

to see me anymore . In fact , so

17:00

upset , that evening she took most of

17:02

the belongings in her handbag , which

17:04

seemed to be a collection of letters and papers , and

17:07

let them all on fire . So

17:09

the next day so this is now the third

17:11

day so she took it on the 25th , which was Thanksgiving

17:14

. It's now the 28th .

17:16

And she only had the clothes she wore , right

17:18

, yeah .

17:18

Yeah , no luggage , okay , just the handbag

17:20

. Yeah , okay . So

17:25

her brother that she was waiting for did

17:27

not show up , so Lottie decides to

17:29

take herself into town for a little bit of shopping

17:32

. Okay , Retail therapy when

17:34

she returns her

17:37

spirits seem to be even lower than they were prior

17:39

to her leaving Some things

17:41

that you know it might be attributed

17:44

to her failing health , perhaps her loneliness

17:46

that makes it both . But it kind of became

17:48

clear to the staff she was hoping to meet somebody

17:50

at the hotel and that

17:53

person was not coming for her . And

17:56

people kind of know like it doesn't seem

17:58

like she's waiting for her brother .

18:00

Yeah , oh .

18:02

So this same evening , the 28th

18:04

, three days after checking in , it's

18:07

now evening after Lottie's shopping

18:09

adventure and a

18:12

terrible storm rolls into San Diego

18:14

. In the middle of the night , Lottie

18:17

walks out of her

18:19

hotel room , down the steps

18:22

and out onto one of the verandas

18:24

, and in the middle of the night she stands

18:27

to face the storm . She pulls

18:29

out the gift she had bought herself earlier that

18:31

day , a small handgun , and

18:34

on the morning of November 29th or 1892

18:38

, on the exterior staircase of

18:40

the hotel leading to the beach , the body

18:42

of Lottie was found with what was believed

18:44

to be a self-inflicted gunshot to the

18:46

head .

18:49

I do remember that and it doesn't , it's just

18:51

so it's really gut-wrenching , you know

18:53

it's so sad

18:55

because 24 , you

18:57

can only speculate . You know it's not her

18:59

brother and it's probably . I

19:02

mean I don't know if . Do you know any more information ? Are you gonna get

19:04

in anymore or ?

19:05

I know more , so you keep going . I'm gonna keep my mouth

19:07

shut .

19:08

Oh , I was just gonna say because and I don't

19:10

remember all of this part of the

19:12

hotel but you're just thinking

19:14

about it and you're like , okay , like you just thought , the

19:16

staff says it's probably not her brother , like

19:18

it doesn't seem like it . Right , she's only 24

19:21

years old , she doesn't come with anything . So

19:23

in my head I'm thinking she's obviously meeting

19:25

an older man , probably successful , money

19:27

, says he's gonna do all these things for her , he's probably

19:29

married and has family and he ain't leaving

19:31

that family . So he just

19:33

lies and says I'm gonna be there . Oh

19:36

poor baby , okay , go .

19:38

Everything that you said is a claim that

19:41

others have brought up . Yeah , so

19:43

sad Weirder . However , though , is

19:45

, upon examination of

19:47

her body , they determined that

19:49

the fragments of the bullet found in

19:51

her head did not seem to match

19:54

the gun that she had on her person at the

19:56

time of her death . Now , this

19:58

is 1800s , so

20:01

I don't , you know it's true , so

20:03

it's a take forensics right

20:05

. But , unfortunately for Lottie

20:07

at least , this mystery surrounding

20:09

her death was never fully explained . Hmm

20:12

, so some people think that the examiner

20:14

could have been incorrect . You know , others obviously

20:16

suspected foul play . Yeah , there

20:19

are many , many theories . There's

20:21

, I think , four books written about her

20:23

and and countless others

20:26

who have jumped to conclusions . Right , but there's

20:28

, there's no way we'll ever fully confirm anything

20:31

.

20:31

Did they Sorry ?

20:33

I'll just say I was to say so . There's

20:36

a lot more to this , though . We're not at the end . Things

20:38

really only got more strange from there . So

20:41

the hotel is now working to contact Lottie's

20:43

family , but her body

20:45

was never claimed in that name . Ain't

20:47

real right , and that's why you don't remember the

20:49

the Detroit detail . So please

20:53

start to circulate a sketch of her face

20:55

along with the description of her clothes and personal

20:57

items , and One

20:59

local newspaper coined the name the beautiful

21:02

stranger as it slowly

21:04

became apparent that there was no

21:06

woman named Lottie Bernard from

21:08

Detroit , yeah . However

21:11

, a few days after the sketch starts

21:13

to circulate , the San Diego corner

21:15

receives a letter from an anonymous

21:17

source that helped identify Lottie

21:19

is Katie Morgan from

21:21

Iowa . Oh Now , whoever

21:23

wrote this letter still did not claim her body

21:26

, but oh , but seem to know

21:28

who she was . Okay , while

21:30

that is going on , in

21:32

Los Angeles , the

21:34

grant family files a missing

21:36

persons report for Katie Logan

21:39

. Now what

21:41

they say ? that Katie Logan was from

21:44

a well-to-do family in Iowa , that

21:47

they didn't know much of her story , but

21:49

she okay worked as their servant Okay

21:52

, and she had told them that she needed

21:54

to sit head to San Diego for a few

21:56

days to get some papers signed and

21:58

had never returned . Now are they putting out

22:00

a missons , missin a missing

22:02

persons , because they just want their fucking servant

22:05

back , or I

22:07

didn't put a whole lot in here , but I

22:09

do think that for that

22:11

time right Servant was

22:14

a more widely used term , but it

22:16

did seem like the grants like actually I

22:18

, if they didn't care about her right

22:20

, they just hire another servant .

22:21

I guess yeah , okay .

22:23

Please kind of put together right . Katie Morgan is

22:25

Probably her real name , katie Logan

22:28

, is you likely in alias along with

22:30

Lottie , and yeah ? So

22:32

, yeah , who was

22:34

Kate Morgan ? Tell me ? I

22:37

said who was Kate Morgan

22:39

. Kate

22:42

Morgan was born in 1865

22:46

. She was born in Iowa and

22:48

at the age of two years old her mother passed

22:51

and she was sent to live with her grandfather

22:53

. So it's kind of unclear why she

22:55

didn't go and live with her father , but we do know that

22:57

he moved to Texas , remarried

23:00

and started a new family . So

23:02

right off the bat , I mean we've got some

23:04

. We got some family trauma

23:06

going . Yeah , kate had a

23:08

pretty sad childhood . For

23:10

reasons unknown , she does leave Iowa

23:13

and family member states that she

23:15

left with quite a sum of money because , remember , she's

23:17

from a pretty well-to-do family , like

23:19

she's dressed well . Oh , yeah , I forgot that part and

23:22

sometime later , in 1885

23:25

so she's 20 she meets

23:27

and Marius , thomas E Morgan

23:29

. They have a child together

23:31

, mm-hmm , and the child passes

23:34

after only two days . Oh

23:36

, on top of that , kate's

23:39

marriage to Thomas was not a happy one

23:41

. She claimed to or

23:45

one of the members of the grant family claimed that

23:47

they didn't know much about her Past

23:49

right , but they do know that she

23:52

came from an unhappy marriage that she was running

23:54

from , that he was a gambler

23:57

and likely abusive . Hmm , that's

23:59

so she runs from the marriage . Some

24:02

even say that she ran off with

24:04

one of the stepson's of

24:06

her husband . Oh , but if

24:08

that is true , that relationship didn't

24:10

last . And that's when she ends up at the grants

24:13

.

24:14

Wait , wait , wait , wait , wait , wait . The relationship

24:16

with the husband or the relationship she had a relationship

24:18

with the steps ?

24:19

Well , I mean , she married him at 20 and

24:21

then she ends up dead at 24 , so both

24:23

of those relationships didn't last long .

24:26

No , I'm asking you . You're saying that she

24:28

apparently had a relationship with her stepson

24:31

, or she just took him to take care

24:33

of him ?

24:34

She had a relationship with Thomas's

24:36

stepson .

24:37

That's what I'm saying . So you're saying like

24:39

an intimate relationship .

24:40

And they ran off together .

24:41

Okay , I thought you meant like she

24:43

just took him to take care of him . Okay . That's

24:46

um oh it sounds like you know

24:48

, so do I know .

24:52

Yeah , we're not going to go into that . Anyway

24:55

, she ends up at the grants , starts

24:58

to work for them as a servant in their home . They

25:00

did say Kate was very private about her past

25:02

but she did let some of those things slip about her unhappy

25:05

marriage . But none of the grants or anybody

25:07

else working in the home recalls her ever saying

25:09

anything about stomach cancer or

25:12

failing health or anything like that .

25:13

Okay , I was going to ask about that .

25:16

On top of that , her

25:18

autopsy showed no signs of illness

25:20

. So I mean

25:22

, we have a lot going on here , right ? We'll never

25:24

know exactly what happened , but we

25:27

know she came from money , we

25:30

know she claimed to be ill and she was not

25:32

, and we know that she

25:34

kind of left behind a trail of people

25:36

who could be looking for her .

25:38

She left a husband .

25:40

She has a family member who says she left

25:42

with a large sum of money , without it being really

25:44

known how she got it . There's

25:48

a couple things , so

25:50

. What most people tend to agree on , though

25:52

, is that she likely came to the Dell to

25:55

meet with a man in secret , and

25:58

she came up with the illness story and stated

26:00

that her brother was a doctor , right , so that if

26:02

people came kind of poking around

26:04

, right , she has her whole alibi .

26:06

She's sick , she's waiting for her brother

26:09

to come there . Okay , I guess that makes sense and

26:11

it could throw people off her trail Because

26:13

I was going to ask sorry , I was

26:16

just going to ask . I get everything else , but I don't

26:18

get why you think that you're sick . But I guess that makes

26:20

sense if you're trying to hide , maybe that you're having

26:22

an affair , or yeah , okay

26:24

, right .

26:25

Because she is still married , right , and this is

26:27

the 1800s and women didn't have

26:29

the freedoms they have now . So

26:31

you know , no , they didn't

26:34

, right . Well

26:36

, I mean , we're going backwards anyway

26:38

, I know , but

26:42

you know , so she's always been very

26:44

private . She kind of tells people half stories

26:46

because nobody even knows really why she left Iowa , like

26:48

she keeps a lot of things to herself and seems

26:50

to change her name or her

26:52

personality or things to help

26:55

her get back , which I , you know , I mean it's probably

26:57

all defense mechanisms .

26:59

Get it girl Right absolutely .

27:01

Some people , like we said there is that she

27:03

came to meet with men in private and

27:06

where we go from here , right , so

27:08

one story would be that she , when

27:11

he didn't come , she becomes overcome

27:13

with loneliness and that drove

27:15

her to take her own life , which is one possibility

27:18

, Okay . But you know , some

27:20

family members have come forward and said because of her

27:22

wealth and the fact that the bullet didn't match

27:24

her gun , it could have

27:26

been a murder driven by money

27:29

, or

27:31

I mean , you know , she also

27:33

left Thomas with , likely

27:36

his stepson . This could have been him

27:38

finally catching up with

27:40

her . So here's

27:42

the thing is , the

27:44

killed for wealth doesn't really sit

27:46

well with me because her last stop before that was as

27:49

a servant . I don't think it was a

27:51

financially driven killing . No

27:53

, I don't necessarily

27:56

think that it's her husband catching up to her either

27:58

, because wealth

28:02

doesn't stop depression . We know that right

28:04

. Just because she's wealthy isn't saying Her

28:06

family's like she couldn't kill herself . Why would she ? She

28:09

had money and she had all this .

28:10

Well , we know that now Right .

28:13

And I think , with her being notably in distress to

28:15

me , it very much reads

28:17

that she likely took her own life .

28:19

Yeah , and I'm . Do you want me to talk

28:22

? or do you want me to keep going ? Here's

28:24

my two thoughts . Yes

28:26

, unfortunately , I think it most likely

28:28

is she was going to meet somebody

28:31

they didn't show , for whatever reason . That

28:34

probably was her alibi being sick doctor , whatever

28:36

her brother , and she

28:38

possibly took her life . That's probably

28:40

the most plausible . I

28:42

just don't know how much I trust ballistics

28:45

in the 1800s , right

28:47

, right , I just don't know how much I trust that . However

28:50

, if we were to go to that route

28:52

and we say that we found out today that

28:54

it's for sure that was not the gun

28:56

that she was shot with I

29:00

don't think it's the money thing , I think it was

29:02

possibly whoever she was meeting

29:04

there is probably just like

29:07

she's not giving up . We've

29:09

heard this story over and over again the mistress

29:11

, mistress . What's

29:13

the ? What's the male version of a mistress

29:16

?

29:16

I don't know what the fuck . Well

29:19

, I think that's kind of the thing is is right . Like

29:21

the man never gets the blame , it's always the women

29:23

, or woman , who's what the fuck ?

29:26

There has to be a word for that he had an affair

29:28

. The male

29:30

version . I'm going to figure it out . Whatever the

29:32

male version of that is , I would think

29:34

that or no . Yeah , so she's the

29:36

mistress , whatever . I'm thinking that he

29:38

was like yeah , I'm not , I'm

29:40

not dealing with you , you're not giving up . We've heard

29:43

it over and over again . So let's just get rid of

29:45

her type of deal . I would think it's

29:47

either she took her own life because he didn't show up

29:49

or he took her life because he's just

29:51

trying to get her out of the picture .

29:53

Wow . So because of the active

29:55

role of men in the relationship you

29:57

won't find a direct equivalent to mistress . The

30:00

closest that would be found would be something like boy toy

30:02

lover or just boyfriend . Women

30:04

always get the blame .

30:05

Oh , fuck that , fuck that

30:07

. Anyway , those are my two thoughts

30:09

on that , and

30:11

there's a lot of conjecture .

30:13

There's a lot of people still kind of mulling over the

30:15

death . What's

30:17

really sad is that you know her family

30:19

members have come forward since then to give their two

30:21

cents a little bit , but in and

30:24

it's for sure that that was her . Yeah

30:26

, so in 1892

30:29

, though she , you know , a couple of weeks after her

30:31

death she still hadn't been claimed by anybody

30:33

, so she was buried two weeks

30:35

after she passed , in

30:37

an unmarked grave at Mount

30:39

Hope Cemetery . That's sad

30:41

, I will say this , that , and

30:43

I think this is one of the sweetest things ever . So

30:45

there's a lot of people who have researched and tried to

30:47

come to the conclusion , and there

30:49

was a researcher on the case who

30:52

did buy her a small headstone

30:55

and visited her grave

30:57

until his death in 1991

30:59

.

31:00

Oh my God , that's amazing .

31:01

So we may never know exactly what happened

31:04

. What we do know , though

31:06

, is that Katie , or Lottie , or the

31:08

beautiful stranger , checked

31:10

into room 3327

31:12

, and she never checked out . Yes , she did

31:15

. No , in fact , she's

31:17

still there to this day . She

31:20

is . So if

31:22

you're lucky enough to stay in her old room

31:24

at the Dell , you might expect

31:26

a few things to happen . Give

31:28

her to me . Your TV may turn on and

31:30

off . You may see strange

31:33

lights around the room . Oh

31:35

, you may feel a cold breeze

31:37

that cuts right through you . Oh

31:40

, and here are mysterious footsteps coming

31:42

up to your bed , before falling asleep

31:44

to the smell of a woman's perfume . Now

31:49

, if you decide to leave room 3327

31:53

, you might not be free from her yet , because

31:56

Katie has been spotted around the hallways

31:58

, along the seashore , and

32:01

most notably in the gift shop

32:03

. That's

32:06

cute . Now , you do see her

32:08

shadows everywhere , but the gift shop . In

32:10

the gift shop , what you will witness are items

32:13

flying off the shelves , but

32:15

usually falling upright

32:17

and unbroken . At least she's

32:20

not destroying things .

32:21

Well , she's trying to help you decide what to buy .

32:24

True , don't buy

32:26

a gun , buy this .

32:28

Right , bitch , buy this . Okay , maybe

32:30

this is a different story or

32:33

a different hotel than I'm thinking of . Did she turn on

32:35

the bath ?

32:36

I do think so I

32:39

only talked about a couple of things that happen

32:41

, and we're going to get into some of the weird

32:43

stuff in a second .

32:45

Oh , okay , I'm sorry .

32:46

With less details than that . I don't have the detail of the bath

32:48

, but the strange sightings

32:50

of Katie continued for over

32:53

a hundred years . They still happen today , so

32:56

in 1992 . The

32:58

hotel actually contracted a parapsychologist

33:01

. His name is Christopher

33:03

Shekhan and he

33:06

conducts 24-hour

33:08

a day , 12-month-long

33:11

investigation into the

33:13

hotel using all sorts of equipment , interviewing

33:16

techniques and then just kind

33:18

of what you can sense with

33:20

your five senses . So they

33:22

interview over 1100 people

33:24

, a mixture of guests and staff . They're

33:26

using all sorts of the technology

33:28

they had in 92 , and

33:30

they found that over half of the people they interviewed

33:33

had experienced something

33:35

at the hotel In

33:37

the over 10,000 hours of

33:39

video and technical data . At

33:41

the end of the research they concluded that by

33:44

a significant percentage

33:46

of statistical data , the

33:49

anomalous phenomena that

33:51

were documented could not be explained

33:54

by standard science . So

33:56

, there's a ton of weird things . I mean items

33:58

moving , like you said , the baths turning on and

34:00

off , and this thing was built in

34:03

the 1800s . There's

34:05

rumors of maids who have hung

34:07

themselves in the hotel and countless

34:09

other deaths and tragedies , and

34:12

just the goings on of

34:14

this building that there's so

34:16

much going on here Still

34:18

a very popular place to not only resort but

34:21

investigate . Your

34:23

boys have been there .

34:25

Yeah , mackie and Amanda have , Isn't it though , el

34:27

Coronado now ? No , it's still

34:30

.

34:30

Hotel del Coronado . But

34:32

Mackie and Amanda were there . Yep and

34:35

Sam and Colby actually have a whole episode there . I

34:37

thought they renamed it and , of course , our

34:39

favorite , the ghost

34:41

adventures .

34:42

Oh , yeah , yeah , for sure .

34:43

Anyways , though it's a day

34:45

man , right , right yeah . Katie Morgan

34:47

Lottie , katie Morgan , lottie , katie Morgan .

34:50

Lottie Katie Morgan . Lottie Katie Morgan .

34:51

Lottie , katie Morgan , lottie , katie

34:53

, morgan , lottie . No demon

34:55

, damn it , damn it , the

34:57

demon . I know I start with

34:59

a question , but I want to end with a question . Okay , when

35:02

we go on our road trip to the Winchester , how's it going to stay a

35:04

night at the Hotel del ? Because I

35:07

want to see Katie and I want to have her whisper

35:09

in my ear and smell her perfume and

35:12

get a glimpse of her on the seashore .

35:14

Well , I want her to pick what

35:16

I buy in the gift shop .

35:17

Right .

35:18

That would be like . I think it would be good , you know

35:20

, because she sees the inventory come

35:22

in and out , she sees what people are like I

35:25

don't know , she knows so

35:27

yeah .

35:28

With it being a place that's

35:30

obviously highly active and Katie

35:33

has some sort of

35:35

higher energy or whatever . You know , she's

35:37

able to appear for 140

35:40

years at this point . Yeah

35:42

, you know what I want to see happen here Cody

35:46

and Satori .

35:48

Oh shit .

35:49

Because if anybody can

35:51

solve the mystery

35:54

of her death , it's going

35:56

to be them .

35:57

We forgot that . We at

36:00

this point now have watched the first two

36:03

episodes that Sam

36:05

and Colby have put out for the Countering

36:07

House , and the first episode is absolutely

36:09

fucking mind blowing and it's because it has Satori

36:12

and Cody in it and they are just . I'm

36:14

not even going to talk about it anymore . Go watch

36:16

Sam and Colby's a week at the Countering

36:19

House . It's all different little episodes .

36:22

And if you listen to our two parts on the Countering

36:24

House , we are going to give Sam and Colby

36:26

the biggest pass because at the same time we put those

36:28

episodes out they fully

36:31

redeemed their old

36:33

attitudes , I would say going

36:35

into a haunted house as they've grown .

36:37

Well , they have definitely grown .

36:39

Yeah , and they were far more into

36:41

the actual story , which is actually

36:44

really funny , because their part two episode

36:46

came out on the same day . Aris did , and

36:51

I want to go back and I wish we

36:53

could edit that episode to give them some more of the props

36:55

that they obviously truly deserve .

36:58

I actually have goosebumps right now . You

37:00

and I were texting when we watched the first one , or

37:02

I was watching it before you , and I was like you need

37:04

to fucking watch us now Get

37:07

out of the bath and let's go

37:09

. I love my baths , I know

37:11

, but I was freaking out in the

37:13

best way , because it was just such an incredible

37:15

episode .

37:16

Yeah .

37:18

I was crying because they were crying . It

37:20

was fucked up in the best way ever and

37:23

if you don't believe , don't watch it , because

37:26

it's pointless and I feel like if you don't believe

37:28

you're not listening to this . But anyway , the second

37:30

episode , I think , not as

37:33

touching , but still really

37:35

good .

37:36

And if you listen to our episodes on it and

37:38

want to see Cody and Satori

37:41

in action with their communication

37:43

method , it is something that will

37:45

absolutely blow your

37:48

mind you can't describe it .

37:50

You know what . Okay , we could keep

37:52

going , but what I just have to say because

37:54

we met Satori and Cody and they're

37:56

just such wonderful people

37:58

and Satori was the cutest thing because she

38:00

was passing around a poster to all of these people having

38:02

them sign it and then you watch her in

38:05

action doing this and you're just like

38:07

you're fucking incredible and

38:09

I don't think you know it .

38:10

No , no , they were some of the most down to

38:12

earth and they're not doing it

38:14

for any sort of personal gain .

38:17

No , and they even said we will never do gallery readings

38:19

. We're never going to do this for money . If we happen

38:21

to come across you anywhere and you want

38:23

us to do this , we'd be happy to , but we're

38:25

not doing it for cloud .

38:27

God , that's amazing .

38:28

Anyway , go watch it , because I'm going to start crying . I'm going to go rewatch

38:30

it . I'm going to start crying .

38:32

All right , well , anyways , that was

38:34

the story of the beautiful stranger . This

38:36

has been our creepy Thanksgiving

38:39

. Sorry to give you guys such a downer

38:41

story in Thanksgiving , but hey , if we can leave it

38:43

on something positive . Be thankful for your family

38:45

, for your friends , and always be there for them , because

38:48

you never know what the hell somebody is going

38:50

through . Be thankful for us and

38:52

be thankful for us .

38:55

Oh , thanks , all right . Well

38:57

, now that Thanksgiving after you listen

38:59

this is over Let us know your disaster

39:01

stories , because we want to hear those too . That'll

39:04

make us feel better . Maybe we'll share some of our disaster

39:06

family stories . Hopefully we don't have any . Actually , let's

39:08

go with that . We're not going to have any . Everyone's

39:10

going to have a .

39:11

Really , great holiday , nice change , nice change Okay .

39:13

Love you all . Bye , cool

39:15

, whatever , most importantly

39:17

creepy , but real yadda balls .

39:19

Goodbye .

39:20

Bye , bye

39:25

.