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Welcome to the oddity shop , where

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the bizarre is always on sale

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. What's

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up , Oddballs ? And welcome back to the oddity shop

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. I am what ? Kara's

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already laughing at me . I don't know

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why . Okay welcome . I

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hate to get my energy up . I'm sleepy today . Anyways

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, this is the podcast where we tell you creepy

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, odd , weird , bizarre , strange , paranormal

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stories from around the world

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. Kara , what the hell is up ?

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Literally nothing . I don't

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feel good . I just got over

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COVID and I don't feel good again .

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I was going to say absolutely nothing is kind

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of what we usually like for January

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, for like life to calm down a little bit , but

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migraines and COVID not so fun .

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No , what else is new ? I

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don't know what is new the

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lions are . What are the lions doing today ? We

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should know , this . They're like in the playoffs or something

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, and it's the first time .

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Are you asking me about the goddamn lions right now ?

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Yeah , I said we should know this , but I know we don't

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.

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I don't know , I couldn't name you

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one player on that team . I think

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the most I've ever watched is like 10 minutes

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of a game . I have no idea

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what they're doing .

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They're like in a playoff game right now . It's the first

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time in like 40 years or something .

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I mean go lions . We know they're going to fuck it up at the

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end .

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Well , I don't know , maybe

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they won't .

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Anyway , my whole social

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media news is nothing about the lions

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, but it is all . Gypsy rose

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blanchard .

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Yeah , mine's nothing about the lions

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, that's just Aaron's watching her right now . He's

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like 38 years old and he's like this is

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the first time in my whole entire lifetime that they've

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done whatever they're doing , and I think it's the playoffs

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, so don't ask me . But yeah

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, here's the thing about gypsy .

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I wanted to get your thoughts , because I'm torn

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.

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I don't know if I actually have thoughts . This is what I'm going to say

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. Somebody

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on some platform was like don't

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believe gypsy . She's a master manipulator

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, just like her mother . She's manipulating all

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of us and loving her , and I'm like are you

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fucking dumb Duh ? She's a master

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manipulator . Look what she

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learned from Hello

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. There's no way that she would be

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a master manipulator . Whether she's manipulating

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you to do something bad or good , there's

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no way that that woman is not

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a master of manipulation . However

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, get the fuck over it . Let her

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do whatever the fuck she wants . Who cares ? Let

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her be interviewed . Let her do whatever the fuck she wants

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. At this point , I don't really give a shit

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. Do I think that she should Do

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? I think that she should have deserved

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to do time , absolutely . Do

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I think that she should have got more than eight

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years ? I think so , probably . I don't know if eight

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years is enough . Do I think that she learned

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her lesson ? Yeah , I guess

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I don't see how you wouldn't , and

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also , but then again , she didn't really do anything

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, so I don't . I mean now

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that she didn't do anything , but you

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don't want to mean like her actually didn't .

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Here's my thoughts on her . Okay , so

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before she went to prison , when she was still living with her mom and everything

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right , she she doesn't

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. She didn't have the celebrity status she has now

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, but her mom ingrained in her

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that if you act like a celebrity , you

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get things for free . And so she's gotten

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out of prison and now she's doing the same sort of

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things right when it's . Her team is now

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doing the same sort of things her mom were . We're

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setting her up for all these events and everything else . It's

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like I think this girl just needs to

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maybe take a break from everything .

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Yeah , I mean , I guess so too . But also

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yeah , absolutely so

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. It's like you know she's a woman in this day and age . How

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do you ?

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Oh yeah , she , she , yeah , she has no

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, no choice to do that . I

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mean , if she wasn't the one promoting herself on social media

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and taking charge of the story everyone else would be .

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So Right , it's like it's such a hard place

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to be in . Yeah , and I guess it's like for her . I think that

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she would rather be the one that's narrating her

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story and what she went through and

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what her life is like now , versus

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seeing it plastered everywhere . Anyway

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, I don't know , I don't . I guess I just don't fucking

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care .

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I've had a lot of time to go down

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the Gypsy Rose rabbit hole because I've been freaking

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snowed in for two days . Two feet

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of snow on Grand Rapids , two and a half

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hours to get my car out . Today I'm losing my mind

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.

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I don't even want to hear it . I took to me three

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hours to drive home from work the other day , so you

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can shove it .

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Yeah , but did you get two feet of snow , bro

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? There was yes , it

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was Nick was saying he only got like

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five or six , so I didn't know how much .

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You guys got Got a lot I'm

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over it , I'm over it . I

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think it took three hours to get on me waiting it .

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Because you don't know how to drive in the snow . Yet idiot

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.

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Yeah .

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Okay , yeah

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, all right , that's all I've got . Anything

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. That's my excitement Gypsy

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Rose and being snowed in during my month of nothingness

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.

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I did nothing today , but I still put makeup on

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because I'm sick of you making me look like a freaking

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thumb .

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I do nothing . I post the video clips . You

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dress yourself so you

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made you look like a thumb , even though I don't

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think you look like a thumb .

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All right .

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What do you got for me ?

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If you were in serious trouble , would you take down a friend

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and try to try to get out of it ?

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Um , am I the one who made

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the trouble , or did the friend make the trouble

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?

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No , this friend didn't . No , your

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friend didn't do the trouble .

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I'd probably think long and hard about

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it , but my guilt would take over and

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I don't know if I could actually throw

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somebody out of the bus . I would think about it . I'm

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not going to lie .

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So if they had absolutely let's , the

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scenario for your question is they

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had absolutely nothing to do

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with the reason that you're in trouble . Let's just say there's

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, they had nothing to do with it . That

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would come across your mind to like throw somebody else under

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the bus .

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Oh , I guess if they had like absolutely nothing to

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do with it and work nearby . No , I'm

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not going to do that . But if they were

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with me , like I think , you know , I think

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anybody would be lying if they didn't think at some point

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like self preservation kicks in and yeah

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, right If it was you right under the boss

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.

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Same bitch Okay .

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I expect it .

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All right , are you ready

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?

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No .

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Okay , Well .

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I guess I am .

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Let's start off with some characters

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, if you will , okay . So

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we have some main players , some

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down for the ride types , some

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here for the party and

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some like . I'm unsure how I got here

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, okay .

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Sounds like most of my college parties , all right .

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All right . So the

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I don't know how I got here we

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have Sharon Holmes and

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Dawn Schiller down for the ride

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. We have William Raymond Deverell

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and David Lynn here for

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the party . We have Joy Miller

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, Barbara Richardson , Susan

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Lanias and Tracy McCourt

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, and then our main characters

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are Ronald Lanias , Adele

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Garib I'm pretty sure I'm saying

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that right Najralla and

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John Holmes .

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Okay , okay , do I know this one

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Probably ? The names

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all sound so familiar , but I can't place

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it .

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Those are our players . All right , okay , ronald

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Ron Lanias was born

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May 18th 1944

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. Ron was once part of the

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United States Air Force . Sadly

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, he was dishonorably discharged

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for smuggling heroin from Vietnam

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.

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I mean , I feel like a lot of people were probably

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doing that , but how you ?

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might ask ?

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Oh no , up his butt , oh no

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.

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It was really easy . In the coffins

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of the American servicemen that died

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.

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Okay , no , that's bad . Yeah , mm-hmm

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, truly unthinkable actually yeah

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, I'd rather him put it up his butt , yeah

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.

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He had too much to just go .

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Apparently so .

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In 74 , he was arrested

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and charged for a murder that happened

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in 73 that involved a police

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drug informant . However

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, the key witness was unrelatedly

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killed and the charges were dropped

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.

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So I don't know how unrelatedly

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killed , but Is he

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already discharged at this point and still

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? In the drug world Okay .

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Okay . So Ron

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was then later convicted of smuggling heroin

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and cocaine across the US-Mexico border

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, and he eventually did serve three

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of his eight years' sentence in federal

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prison . For that , an officer

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remarked that on Ron being

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one of the coldest people I ever

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met , at the time of Ron's

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death , police had 27

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open homicide cases that were believed

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to be connected to him oh

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my God , 27

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.

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Okay , where I said most people were doing

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heroin and non , let me clarify . I'm

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sure most of them , but there was a lot

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of drug use going on . But most

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of them gave it up when they came home . Come

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on , Ron .

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So when Ron died , an officer

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was quoted saying I suppose

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they won't need many pallbearers because

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a trash can only has two handles

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.

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Hopefully they put drugs in his coffin just

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to get something back .

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Now Susan A Murphy-Lanias

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. So Susan Lanias was born in 1951

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. She

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was married to Ron . She

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often had issues with him , mostly like

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his lifestyle and drug issues , and

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they would separate from time to time but

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ultimately they remained together like

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married . William Raymond

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Deverell , or Billy Deverell

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as he went by , was born February

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14 , 1937 . Billy

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was Ron's right hand man

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and it was said that he was the voice of

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reasoning for Ron . Billy

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had been arrested 13 times

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in relation to his drug addiction and

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I'm just wondering what type of reasoning

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you are for something ? How

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are you the reasoning ?

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I wouldn't know how you're arrested 13 times

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and you're not doing hard time .

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Oh right Well yeah

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, oh , okay , I don't know , I don't know , it's

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the time .

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I guess let's see where this goes .

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Okay , so then we have Joy Audrey

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Goldmiller . Joy Miller

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she was born May 14

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, 1935 . She

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was Billy's girlfriend and

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she had two teenage daughters

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at this time , and she was an ex-wife

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of a Beverly Hills attorney and

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as her life changed , from the high class

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lifestyle that she was used to , she fell

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into heroin and she met Billy due

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to her addiction . Oh no , it's

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just really , really great . David

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Lind he was born February

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14 , 1937 . David

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was a biker and a member

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of the Aryan Brotherhood , which is a

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neo-Nazi gang .

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Oh great .

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Yeah , and he joined along

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with Ron when he met him while they were both

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serving in prison .

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What a friend of yours . Oh , so these are like

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stand-up guys .

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Oh , these are great humans . Barbara

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Lee Easton Richardson

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, known as Butterfly , was

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born October 15 , 1958

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. And she was David Lind's 22-year-old

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girlfriend and she didn't have anything

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on her record no drug , no drug

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shit or anything really to note

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. She just met him at a

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party .

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Okay , these guys all have some like

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names .

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I know . So let's kind of forget all

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of that for a moment and let's imagine

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like the 80s party scene

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. So like what style are you rocking

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?

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I mean it's going to be like full-blown neon

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, right

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you would . It does 80s right .

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Like you would . I would

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want to be like 80s punk rock . You'd

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be like Swish , everything

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Like you'd be at the roller

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rink . Neon hair , oh yeah

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.

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Dude , I actually just saw a video of somebody at a

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roller rink , like in our

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, like it was 2023 , but like

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there's still one open and I got

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so jealous I want to go .

12:24

Okay . So I think it's like in April

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, emily that I work with , she

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rented out a roller rink and is having a

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Taylor Swift roller rink party for her birthday

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. So if you want , to go .

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I'll get you an invite . Oh , I was so close , but the

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T-Swift kills it .

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What's your 80s music choice , then , for

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the party ?

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I don't even I'm . I was not a big

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80s person . I don't know if I can even pull one

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out of my butt right now .

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You seem like ACDC or something .

12:50

Okay , acdc or something . All right

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, acdc

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in my full neons .

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What would your 80s gang name

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be if you were in a gang ? Okay

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, I don't even know .

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I don't even know what my today gang would be . Don't

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leave your house gang , right , I'm

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so uncreative tonight .

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All right , well , this isn't much more

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creative . But the Wonderland gang

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was a group of heroin addicted drug dealers

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involved in the LA cocaine trade

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. You heard that they were a gang

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of heroin addicts

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selling cocaine . But

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I will say that dollar signs just like

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flash in my mind , like being in a

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cocaine ring , like selling coke . That's

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a lot of money .

13:35

I feel like then . Now I

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am not a hard drug user , but I feel like

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it'd be easier to do the coke and sell the

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heroin than do the heroin and sell the coke

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. One of them seems like it slows you down a lot

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more than the other .

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Well , I think yeah , but I guess cocaine

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was probably more wanted than

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heroin , I don't fucking know . So , anyway

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, the gang got their name from

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the address that they partied and held up at

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, which was 8763 Wonderland

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Avenue , laurel Canyon , los

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Angeles , california , and

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Joy Miller was the leaseholder

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of this apartment . So the gang

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operated between the late 70s and

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early 80s , and

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the gang gained the role

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of the most influential and feared

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cocaine distribution

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ship of its time in Los Angeles

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Dang . And it just seems weird

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to keep saying gang .

14:26

I guess with those was like whatever he had 27

14:29

murders on his record , I could see whether they're

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feared .

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Yeah , okay .

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Allegedly on his record . Yeah

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, right .

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Okay , sharon Holmes

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. She was born June

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11 , 1943 . She

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was a nurse and she adored taking

14:45

care of people , and it

14:47

would really become her downfall , in my opinion

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, is how much she like took care of people

14:51

.

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Oh , empathy to the end .

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John Holmes was born August 8 , 1944

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. And at 15 , with parental perition

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, he enlisted in the Army . After three years

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in the Army he was honorably

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discharged and in 1963

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, he moved to California . So he was kind of

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a handy person . So he did a lot of different jobs in

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California he sold door to door

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, he worked in factories , he was an ambulance

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driver and this is where he met Sharon . So

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after turning 21 , they were

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married in 1965

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. In the early years of their marriage John

15:24

worked as a forklift driver and

15:27

the job was at a meatpacking company and

15:29

in the warehouse there was obviously big

15:32

freezers that you put the meat in

15:34

. So the freezing cold

15:36

air of the freezer , mixed with inhaling

15:38

of the desert hot air , actually

15:41

made John experience a lot of health issues

15:43

. So the combination of going in

15:45

and out of both was kind of wild when

15:47

you think about it .

15:48

That kind of makes sense , though . It was like think

15:50

about when you're out shoveling or whatever , and then you come inside

15:53

, your lungs hurt

15:55

once you start bringing in the warm air again .

15:57

Yeah , and then it's dry , desert , dirt

15:59

air and it's extremely

16:01

hot . So you're going from like kind of

16:03

you know , like when they say you're not supposed to go in and out

16:05

, like from the pool to the hot tub in and out , because

16:07

it's like really bad for you .

16:09

Oh , I always do that though .

16:10

Yeah , they just say you shouldn't . I mean , I say

16:12

, always do that the you know , once

16:14

every two years , when I have access to both a pool

16:17

and a hot tub Right

16:19

, okay , well , eventually

16:22

this issue caused his

16:24

lung to collapse three times in just two

16:26

years , oh , along with , like , a bunch of other long

16:28

issues . So he quit , okay , because

16:31

of all these health , health issues .

16:32

Got it .

16:33

So I have a question for you . Oh , you got

16:35

two how is it using a urinal

16:37

next to somebody else ?

16:39

Oh , there is a whole set of

16:41

etiquette . Oh

16:43

, oh teach us because I don't know , oh , every man knows

16:46

this , like I'm not a man . So if

16:49

there are more than

16:51

two urinals , you do not stand

16:53

next to somebody . It's like an

16:55

unspoken rule , unless you're absolutely

16:57

forced to . So like say there's four

16:59

right and there's one at the like

17:02

each end , then you have to kind of like figure

17:04

out which one you're gonna . You're gonna go in , but

17:07

like if there's four , you'd go at the end , one right . So

17:09

you're not between two people , you're only between one person

17:11

and the wall .

17:12

Okay , and you just like look forward , right

17:14

, just don't even .

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Well , sometimes there's like a divider wall , sometimes there's not

17:17

. But yeah , you just like you look forward , you mind

17:19

your own business . The worst , though , is in North

17:22

Michigan . For some reason , a lot of bars

17:24

like Are they like the troughs ? Yeah

17:26

, it's just a trough instead and

17:28

for some reason to me that just like it feels

17:30

so wrong , it just

17:32

seems like everyone's just peeing in a giant

17:35

bowl . I don't know it

17:37

. I have like a shy bladder . Anyway , I don't love

17:39

urinals , especially if they're busy , but

17:42

whatever .

17:43

I couldn't be a man .

17:45

Hey , I'd much rather that than having to touch

17:47

every public restroom toilet

17:49

seat .

17:50

Well , you have to squat , so you don't touch .

17:53

That seems like a lot of legwork .

17:54

Or you get those things , you know the um

17:57

like the liners that go on the

17:59

scene . While recovering from

18:01

his collapse lung and being jobless , John

18:03

would frequent a men's card playing club . This

18:06

is where , while using the urinal , a

18:08

photographer complimented

18:11

what Holmes was packin and told him

18:13

he could find work in the underground adult

18:15

film business and gave him a business

18:17

card .

18:18

And that is against every urinal

18:20

rule . Okay .

18:24

Holmes ended up doing some nude

18:26

modeling and a stag film . Okay

18:29

and yeah

18:31

. And one day

18:33

, while Sharon was at work , she came home

18:35

early and she

18:37

found Holmes , you know , measuring

18:40

his junk in the bathroom

18:42

and Sharon was quoted

18:44

saying he told me that this was

18:47

going to be his life's work , that

18:49

this was going to make him famous . I

18:51

looked at him like what planet

18:54

do you come from ?

18:55

Okay , I

18:58

mean , you know what ? At least he's got dreams and goals

19:00

, right .

19:01

So by the late sixties he was deep

19:04

into his career . Okay , so

19:06

Sharon being Sharon allowed

19:08

John to still live with her , and they were mainly

19:11

just the phrase deep into yes

19:13

. I did . I was hoping you'd

19:15

catch that .

19:17

I tried to let it go , but my brain just wouldn't

19:19

.

19:20

So they remained legally married , but

19:22

they had no relationship , as she thought his career

19:25

choice was disgusting . So she just

19:27

like Couldn't even look at him

19:29

, like she couldn't fathom what he was doing , but

19:31

she didn't want to like leave

19:33

him , okay . So that's

19:36

what I'm saying about Sharon just being

19:38

that good person . It's girl . Come

19:40

on now .

19:41

I feel like too . Like the 80s , divorce wasn't nearly

19:43

is yeah , but I don't know .

19:45

I think that she was just . She so deeply loved

19:48

him and thought one day he would choose her and

19:50

she wanted to remain like a Constant in his life

19:52

. For when that moment came , got it

19:54

, which is really fucking sad . Mm-hmm

19:57

, move on , girlfriend . Soon

20:00

in John's career he

20:02

met Hawaiian porn director Bob

20:04

Chinn . Okay , and at first

20:06

Bob thought John was kind of goofy

20:09

looking , he was scruffy looking

20:11

and he had big , curly , afro looking

20:13

hair , as Chinn described . He

20:15

just was like yeah , I don't really see what's

20:18

you know like special about you look

20:20

, but then he dropped his pants .

20:22

Okay now hey , listen , ron

20:24

Jeremy didn't get famous for his face either

20:26

, all right .

20:27

So Chinn wrote a whole

20:30

porn series portraying John as a private

20:32

detective , based off of like his looks

20:34

like being a private detective . Johnny

20:36

Wad was his stage name .

20:39

No , johnny Wad

20:41

. No , I'm a Policara

20:43

. I hate this Mm-hmm

20:45

. At least he's trying to give depth to

20:47

the the okay , there's

20:50

a whole story .

20:51

Yeah , so Whatever

20:54

he became like . There

20:56

was a quote I I should have

20:58

wrote it down , but it said what Elvis

21:00

was to act like acting

21:02

John Holmes was the porn . Like

21:04

he was the king of porn . Is this boogie

21:07

nights ?

21:07

Mm-hmm , I knew the name sounded based

21:10

on , yeah , boogie nights is okay , loosely

21:12

based on yeah , I'm like everything

21:15

sounds so familiar , but it's just not hitting

21:17

me . Okay , we're good .

21:20

He was reportedly making $3,000

21:23

a day by the late 70s . Dang

21:25

Johnny Wad . That's a lot of money in

21:27

today's money right At

21:29

that time , like his work wasn't legal

21:31

, though , so he was often arrested for

21:34

pimping , pandering . You

21:36

know now , okay , you know when an

21:38

actor's role will sometimes like go to

21:40

their head and like , long after the job

21:43

, like is over the skill or like Whatever

21:45

, it's still like embedded

21:47

in their head , mm-hmm . Like . You know how everyone

21:49

was bitching forever that Austin Butler won't

21:51

stop fucking talking about talking like Elvis

21:53

.

21:54

I don't know who Austin Butler is .

21:55

Oh okay , he just did an Elvis movie and I guess it was

21:57

really great . But anyway , he's like because

21:59

I and and murk yes

22:02

, he's like I can't actually stop .

22:04

Okay , it's like that right so anytime

22:07

Anybody's worked with Jared , let oh right .

22:09

So I think John's private detective

22:11

care character went to his head Because

22:13

he would avoid prison time by becoming

22:15

an informant for the LAPD

22:17

.

22:18

Oh no .

22:19

Okay , as an informant , he worked alongside

22:21

vice detective Thomas Blake

22:23

and Blake said he was a pleasure working

22:25

for him , like he legit worked

22:28

with this detective all

22:30

the time , and he would guess if he was another PI . Yep

22:32

, and he would just like he would talk . He would basically

22:35

bust people for , like , drug or porn

22:37

rings , all this stuff , like Whatever he wasn't

22:40

involved in . Oh yeah , go bust all

22:42

these people while I go make my movies

22:44

and make all my money .

22:45

It takes out his competition . So , mm-hmm , win-win

22:48

for our boy .

22:49

I mean , yeah , okay . So almost

22:51

10 years into this , lifestyle , like

22:53

by the 80s homes , was full blown

22:56

into the cocaine and drug life , obviously

22:58

, as you can imagine .

22:59

Yeah , I could see how his choices led him there , right

23:01

.

23:02

And this is why this story

23:04

is just a wild one , because , okay

23:07

, it eventually , though , affected

23:09

his performance I bet you can

23:11

imagine at work . So

23:14

he wasn't able to , you know , keep it all

23:16

. Reaction because of all the cocaine . You

23:18

kind of need that , johnny Wad .

23:21

Too much speed buddy .

23:24

So basically to support himself

23:26

. Once that kind of was happening he

23:28

turned to like petty theft . He was selling drugs

23:30

to gangs . He was selling himself to

23:33

men and women . He was

23:35

doing credit card fraud . He

23:37

would steal luggage at airports and then sell

23:39

all the contents in them . Like

23:44

I was like dang , that's actually .

23:48

It's hard to get busted on that

23:50

one .

23:50

But I guess like what really would be in the luggage

23:52

though , but you know what I mean Like it's just gonna be

23:54

like closing stuff , right , mostly .

23:57

Unless it's on the return home . Then you got all the like , the

23:59

souvenirs and shit . Yeah , that's true .

24:02

Well , while , like , still at the height of

24:04

his triple X career , sharon

24:06

was man it managing the Glendale

24:08

Courtyard apartments okay , mm-hmm , and

24:11

then from time to time John

24:13

would like try to make his marriage work

24:15

and he would kind of pause his shenanigans and

24:17

he would like go back to Sharon and

24:20

he would kind of do all the handiwork around the

24:22

apartment . And you know , I

24:24

think that's kind of also why she Held

24:26

on , because he would have these spurts of

24:29

like wanting to maybe get

24:31

out of all of that and come back to her . I don't know

24:33

makes sense . So you kind of do that

24:35

. And then this brings us to

24:37

dawn . Dawn Schiller was

24:39

born in 1961

24:42

. In 1976 , at the age of 15

24:44

, her parents were getting a divorce . So

24:47

, deciding to leave her mom and Florida

24:49

, dawn and her younger sister and father

24:51

hitchhiked their way to California . He

24:54

was kind of like a hippie type , you know . It

24:56

was like late 70s , whatever .

24:57

So it's like got it , got it .

25:00

Okay , so Meeting

25:02

and getting a ride

25:04

along the way . They hear that they

25:06

can possibly stay at the Glendale with

25:08

a girl that lives there . What

25:11

a damn time to be alive seriously

25:13

, just let everything work itself out get

25:16

a ride from somebody that's like oh , I

25:18

manage . Sometimes I stay with this lady

25:20

at the Glendale apartment . She'll probably take you in

25:22

. What ?

25:23

different times , man , so

25:25

we're gonna .

25:27

So weird , so , arriving

25:29

. The girl calls the complex manager

25:31

, sharon , for permission to take in

25:33

this family . Sharon Pessor

25:35

, husband John , check out the situation

25:38

. This is a

25:40

trigger warning Because

25:43

the then 32

25:45

year old John would begin to

25:47

hang out with 15 year old dawn

25:49

and her 14 year old sister . Oh

25:52

god so now , like most

25:54

grooming starts off seemingly innocent

25:57

. Don didn't know about Johnny

25:59

Wad . She actually

26:01

said we related on a

26:03

really childlike level . I didn't know

26:05

that the business he was in . He'd do silly

26:08

, cute , charming things around me . He

26:10

liked my innocence , the fact that I had nothing

26:12

to do with the porn industry , showing

26:14

me different ways to be creative in the garage

26:17

, redoing furniture , that kind

26:19

of stuff . So that's how it started . He

26:21

would kind of like let them hang out

26:23

while he was doing stuff around the apartment

26:25

complex , kind of teach them Furniture

26:28

remodeling and shit like that . Like it , you

26:31

know yeah , start

26:33

innocent then so

26:35

another quote from dawn is

26:37

he gradually showed me who he was

26:39

, that aspect of him . He

26:42

was scared that I was going to be scared

26:44

of it . This is how it started and then

26:46

it progressed into him . You know driving

26:48

the girls past the pussycat theater

26:50

and this was a obvious

26:52

move so the girls could see his

26:55

name listed on the marquee .

26:57

Oh yeah , come

26:59

on , wait , mm-hmm . They were listening

27:01

it on the marquee , mm-hmm , like porn

27:03

. Then I guess there was no internet .

27:05

Mm-hmm yeah weird . So that

27:08

then kind of Moved

27:10

into him , stopping in front of the theater

27:13

and getting out , so that they could

27:15

see the kick , the chaos that would ensue

27:17

when people realized that he was there , because

27:19

you know , he's freaking famous , everybody like loved

27:21

him Well right , everybody , but you know

27:23

. And so , basically , he

27:25

would like pull up , get out and , like

27:27

you know , light a cigarette , be cool . And all

27:30

these fans would come up like paparazzi

27:32

would be taking pictures , like people would be Screaming

27:35

like oh my god , he's here , you know what I mean

27:37

. And like the girls would just be in the car uncomfortably

27:40

, like what the fuck's going on like what

27:42

?

27:42

why is he taking them around anyway ? I

27:45

guess I show him the notoriety , but gross

27:47

little fucker .

27:48

That's why , because he's a gross fucker yeah

27:51

. So then John would

27:53

start to take only dawn out and

27:55

about Okay , and he

27:57

became possessive of her when

27:59

she was said that he would like get upset

28:01

if she didn't come home from school Right away , like

28:03

things like that . Okay , this

28:05

is where I'm just like I Can't

28:09

, I just yeah , I mean , it

28:11

was a different time but like typically

28:13

now , your mother would never let you

28:15

just like go hitchhike , hitchhike

28:17

with your dad after you get a divorce . She'd

28:20

probably be like , no , you stay with me , but

28:22

also I would . Your dad wouldn't just let

28:24

you go with a fucking porn star Just

28:27

like going out . No , no like

28:29

what the fuck is wrong with these people . One

28:31

night he takes Don

28:34

to Zuma Beach and the still

28:36

15 year old at this time . Still 15

28:38

sleeps with John and

28:41

Don said at the time he was

28:43

very sincere , I was very much

28:45

in love with this guy . Swept off my

28:47

feet at 15 years .

28:49

No , you were 15 years old . Well , let me finish

28:51

the quote .

28:52

I'm sorry , I was 15 . Look at Elizabeth

28:54

smart , she was also 15 . That's

28:56

a 15 year old's brain mentality

28:58

and that is why these situations happen

29:01

because 15 year olds are done , they're

29:03

done , and that's why you need parents to

29:05

help guide you so that you don't get stuck

29:07

in these dumb situations . Now

29:11

frustrating yeah , it gets worse

29:13

. Don's dad decides to leave

29:15

and he wants to go back to Florida and

29:17

he allows Don to stay , making her

29:19

more dependent on John because

29:21

she has nobody else . This is where Sharon's

29:24

caring for other people's really really , really

29:26

, really becomes a no . Now we

29:28

know that she was still on

29:30

John to kind of come in and go

29:32

and live with her and stuff like that . She took

29:34

in Don , knowing exactly what the situation

29:37

was .

29:37

Okay , that was gonna be my next question . So

29:39

she , she knows and Don knows

29:41

who she is .

29:42

Yeah , oh yeah , oh yeah , mm-hmm

29:44

, we all know each other . Sharon

29:47

said I hate to see injured people

29:49

or dogs , and I just adopted

29:51

her . I couldn't see her out there staying outside

29:53

with just a shirt on . She became a daughter

29:56

to me . I needed to tell her she had

29:58

a brain . She didn't need to accept

30:00

what was going on . Oh and

30:02

she tried . I have goosebumps actually

30:04

because okay .

30:06

If you run to help her , then get her out of the situation

30:09

she's in .

30:10

she she tried , she'd give her money , she'd

30:12

give her clothes , she'd feed her , she would try

30:14

to buy her tickets to go back to her mom . She

30:17

, she did for years . Okay

30:19

, so , like I previously said , by the 80s

30:22

he's a junkie . He's

30:24

not doing movies , he's doing whatever he can

30:26

to get his drugs to support his habit . And

30:29

at this point John is pretty much pissed off all

30:31

, all of LA and he basically became

30:33

a delivery boy for those dealers that

30:35

Would still tolerate like his moching

30:38

, because at this point I mean he's in and out of like

30:40

drug houses , I mean he's swapping

30:42

drugs for this person bringing him here . He's

30:44

, you know , in in like , just

30:47

full-blown in it full-blown , I mean , and

30:49

he's he can't even function

30:51

. He is literally going

30:53

to one person with the money

30:56

from somebody else , like he's just to get a

30:58

scrape of cocaine . You know what I mean

31:00

. Like he's not even surviving , like he's

31:02

just living in and out of motels . Like it's terrible

31:04

. Unfortunately , don , being

31:06

like 15 , 16 years old , she's doesn't

31:09

know anything else , she's just she's coming along

31:11

with him right , like he loves her she loves him

31:13

, and that's just what it is , so she's along

31:16

for the ride , not having anything else to do

31:18

really Is she using as well ? She

31:20

started to yeah , yeah , and

31:22

then she would accompany him , had deals and

31:25

she would just have to wait in the car . And at

31:27

some time she would wait days in

31:29

the car because he'd be on benders

31:32

, right . So he'd be up there , you know , you know

31:34

, dropping drugs off and shooting heroin

31:36

and Binging coke and being

31:38

on all these like so she would sit in her car with

31:40

her little fucking shawawa for hours and hours

31:42

and hours . No food , maybe a little bit

31:44

of cocaine , she'd say , and then sometimes

31:47

days , she'd just sit there

31:49

because she was allowed to leave . That's so horrible , uh-huh

31:51

, wow . He went on like

31:53

these benders . You

31:56

know , that's again everyone's

31:58

like Like not

32:00

tolerating him as much anymore , right , it's like , right

32:03

, you could do our little deeds , but

32:05

like get the fuck out of here . And he eventually

32:07

took tell you no

32:15

, he eventually

32:17

took to selling dawn for drugs

32:19

.

32:20

Oh , I mean , it's not a

32:22

horribly shocking , but it's still horrible

32:24

.

32:25

But then he would beat her after for being

32:27

dirty and he would subject

32:30

her to a scalding hot bath and he

32:32

would scrub her until he thought she

32:34

was clean .

32:34

Oh my god yeah so now you're disciplining

32:37

her for the problem you created exactly

32:39

so a child to a child .

32:40

On December 25th 1980

32:42

, desperate for money

32:44

and coke , don found herself forcibly

32:47

at the residence of Eddie Nash . So

32:49

Adele Garib Majralla

32:52

, or Eddie Nash , born

32:54

April 3rd 1929 in

32:56

Palestine , his family owned

32:58

48 hotels there . Okay

33:00

, so he's , you know , he's still living

33:02

if you have 48 hotel money .

33:04

Why are you selling drugs Like it feels

33:06

like there's enough ?

33:07

Well , this is what happens . In 1950

33:09

, nash immigrated to the US with only $7

33:12

. Okay , he did odd jobs like acting

33:14

and stunt work . He was an expert horseman

33:16

. He appeared in a Western series called

33:19

the Cisco kid . But by 1960s

33:21

he opened a hot dog stand called beef's

33:24

chuck on Hollywood Boulevard and

33:26

by the 70s the $7

33:29

turned into multiple nightclubs

33:31

PJ's Club in West Hollywood

33:34

from a hot dog stand , from

33:36

seven fucking dollars . I'm sorry

33:39

, listen , this is really bad because Eddie Nash

33:41

will get into it , but I am obsessed

33:44

. I understand , like I

33:46

don't understand . Seven fucking

33:48

dollars , okay , whatever . 70s

33:50

, like I said , he turns a seven

33:53

into nightclubs . Okay , so he's got PJ's

33:55

Club in West Hollywood , the sold out club

33:57

in Hollywood , the Odyssey disco , the

33:59

Paradise Ballroom , the seven seas

34:01

, alibaba's , the KitKat strip

34:04

club . And Nash didn't stop at real estate

34:06

. He was a cocaine trafficker

34:09

, being known as LA's cocaine

34:12

king pin , making

34:14

him worth over 30 million

34:17

in real estate and drugs in the 70s

34:19

insane , but like when is enough enough

34:21

? Nash's drug association

34:23

made him come across homes . Okay

34:26

, so he meets homes because , like

34:28

the porn industry , he's got strip clubs , the drugs

34:30

, whatever . Okay , when he

34:32

met John , he was already

34:34

exiled from the porn industry and

34:37

he was dealing with a daily

34:39

$1,500 cocaine

34:41

habit . Oh , my , that's how fucked

34:43

up John Holmes was . $1,500

34:47

a day cocaine habit . I can't even fathom

34:50

how much cocaine that is a day .

34:52

Especially cuz like at the height right . He was making

34:54

you said three grand a day .

34:56

Well , at this point he hadn't been making money for a long

34:58

time , so that's why he like .

35:00

now he's doing all these odd

35:02

jobs and spent oh my god , that's such

35:04

an insane amount of money , right .

35:06

So Nash became to think of Holmes

35:08

as like a really good friend and he often referred

35:11

to him as like his cousin , like this is my cousin

35:13

, okay . So remember our Wonderland

35:15

gang , ron , billy and David

35:17

. Okay , well , at this point they're getting

35:19

sick of John and him mooching off the drugs

35:21

and the money , because at this point he's showing up

35:23

at their apartment pretty much daily fucking

35:26

mooching off all their cocaine , trying to do drug

35:28

runs for them , like you know and

35:30

you know he's skimming off the top of everything

35:32

.

35:32

So I wonder why everyone's mad .

35:34

So between that and him going

35:36

to Nash , he's just going back and forth and

35:38

he's just . He's just fucked up .

35:40

Is he still an informant at this time ? Yeah

35:43

, I mean not really .

35:45

Yeah , he kind of got out of it , but like he still

35:47

had like his connections , you know . But John's

35:50

little errand boy act is getting old and

35:52

Ron , however , like it was

35:54

said that Ron fucking hated him , but

35:56

he kind of liked having John around to

35:58

embarrass him at parties . So he'd often

36:00

like make him drop his pants to show off

36:02

the goods , like as to party goers , like

36:05

kind of just fucking making fun of him , just like always

36:07

fucking with him literally just a jester

36:09

exactly . It was so

36:11

bad , though , that John didn't even fucking care

36:13

, like he'd still fucking show up at the parties

36:16

and shit , just so that he could fucking get drugs

36:18

. He could meet other people like exactly

36:20

at this point . John is severely

36:23

in debt to the Wonderland gang and he's

36:25

trying to come up with some sort of payment

36:27

. And you know , this is this is where

36:29

it's like . I cannot fathom being in

36:32

this lifestyle . He's

36:34

telling them the gang that

36:36

his friend the Arab is

36:38

into exotic guns and that the

36:40

guns that Ron has could

36:43

be traded for money and heroin . Okay

36:45

, the gang's like fucked up . They're

36:48

all like feigning there . You

36:50

know they they're How'd

36:52

Japan on cocaine , but they're feigning

36:54

heroin . Okay , they are .

36:57

No , so nobody's making sound decisions at

36:59

all .

37:00

So they're like okay , fine , fucking take it , take all

37:02

the goddamn guns , take all these guns . Go

37:04

to your friend , get us fucking money and

37:06

heroin . Like come back . Okay

37:08

, uh , hours

37:11

, hours later he returns . They

37:13

are all fucking pissed . They're like this

37:15

, this house is supposed to be like up the road

37:17

, like you know what I mean . Like he's gonna be back in like an hour

37:19

. I know we're talking hours and hours and hours

37:21

and hours , because Holmes is always

37:24

going to spend hours and hours and hours wherever he is

37:26

trying to get fucked up . Okay , so he

37:28

comes back now . He doesn't have their guns

37:30

, but he also doesn't even

37:32

have a Fraction of

37:34

what this the gang thought

37:36

they should get in return for these guns . So

37:39

they are fucking pissed

37:41

. Okay , well , at least the guns are gone . Well

37:43

, I , yeah , I guess right homes that already

37:46

own the money . This was kind of a way

37:48

for him to like kind of clear the

37:50

debt , right , but not really because he's not doing anything

37:52

. But now he's come back with

37:54

like nothing and they are fucking

37:57

pissed . So Ron is

37:59

literally gonna kill him . He's gonna kill him

38:01

and to protect himself

38:03

he offers up a plan . Okay

38:05

, he's like wait , wait , wait , wait , wait , the

38:07

Arab that I was talking about , loaded

38:09

, loaded . He's got tons of money , tons and drugs . We'll

38:12

just rob him .

38:13

I don't feel like robbing the guy who deals

38:16

in drugs and nightclubs Is the

38:18

the best target .

38:19

Listen . They're like we can steal the money , we

38:22

can steal drugs and we can get the guns back

38:24

. It's a perfect fucking solution

38:26

. However , Nash

38:28

was not somebody to be messed with . The LAPD

38:31

didn't even touch him . They let him

38:33

fucking be because of how

38:35

powerful he was . All right .

38:37

Yeah , he now has all your firepower

38:39

, right .

38:40

So Don recalls , like

38:42

in a quote she says John told

38:45

me that the people , that people had

38:47

a way of disappearing from Eddie's and

38:49

that you were lucky if you were found , if

38:51

you found their bones in the desert , that's

38:53

, that was John's way of telling me that he was afraid of Eddie

38:55

. So this , though , is

38:58

where it's up for debate . If John actually

39:00

told the Wonderland gang that his

39:02

friend that they were preparing to rob was

39:04

in fact Nash . So

39:08

he he claims that

39:10

, yes , but it's

39:13

, it's up for debate , right ? So it's

39:15

up for debate if they even originally knew

39:17

that Nash was the one that was potentially buying

39:19

these guns . Like they might not have even known

39:21

, right ?

39:22

So you gotta figure . Holmes is kind of sketchy right , like

39:24

he's kind of making up like a third

39:26

fall guy Right , because

39:28

he knows that you don't go rob the guy who the LAPD

39:30

won't touch .

39:31

I don't really think that Holmes gave a

39:33

fuck . I think he just wanted his drugs and to be out

39:35

of the , out of debt , right Like I don't think he gave

39:38

a shit when the when the guns didn't

39:40

get sold . That's kind of why it's up for debate

39:42

. Did he come back and say , hey , eddie

39:44

Nash was the one that blah , blah , blah ? And

39:47

now the gang's like , yeah , let's go fuck up , eddie Nash

39:49

. Now , this gang is an alleged gang . I

39:51

don't think they would be afraid of Nash , but

39:53

I don't know if they would actually willingly go in

39:55

there to raw Nash either . So

39:57

that's where we're like it's a little

40:00

little hazy , right . Well

40:02

, regardless , the strung out men

40:04

planned and plotted the robbery . John

40:06

was to draw a map of the house or

40:08

mansion I guess you actually could say where

40:11

the safe was , the doors , exits , all

40:13

the shit , right , he was to go to Nash's

40:15

house and then he

40:18

was going to kind of visit and he was going to

40:20

leave the back sliding door open . Okay

40:22

, and then this was the way that the gang

40:24

could slip in quietly later without alarming

40:26

Nash's bodyguard or anybody that was

40:29

there , got it , and then , june

40:31

29th 1981 , it took

40:33

John three times to complete the task

40:35

of opening the sliding door . He went back

40:37

to the house three separate

40:39

times .

40:40

He's just forgetting because he's so fucked up .

40:42

Well , I was going to say . It's probably a combination of like

40:44

not wanting to actually participate in this oh

40:46

yeah , not wanting to or he's being too fucked

40:49

up because every time he went he'd get fucking strung out

40:51

. So it's like , or he just wouldn't

40:54

be able to without getting caught , it's like unknown

40:56

, but they were getting fucking pissed . They're like , bro

40:58

, what the fuck he finally

41:00

was able to fucking do it . Now , being

41:03

a junkie in like Nash's

41:05

house was kind of like a party house . It wasn't too

41:07

odd for John to keep popping up and

41:09

Nash loved him , so it really wasn't that

41:11

big of a deal that he keeps popping up , because there's always

41:13

people at Eddie's house fucking , doing drugs , partying

41:16

, whatever , and like homes was homes

41:18

, so he's kind of used to it . So it really wasn't that

41:20

weird . So once the gang

41:22

like , all right , we're good , blah

41:24

, blah , blah , Apparently they got

41:27

high .

41:28

Just turns it out right .

41:29

And then they make their way to the house . So Tracy

41:32

McCourt is this is his little

41:34

only role he drives , so

41:36

he drives Lonnie , esteveral and

41:38

Lynn to the house . It

41:40

is unclear if homes was in this vehicle

41:42

or not . Maybe , maybe not

41:45

. No , no . The three men

41:47

enter the house and they , like brutally

41:49

invade the home at gunpoint . They

41:52

make Eddie Nash beg for his life while

41:54

he pleads and he prays . They

41:56

put a gun to his house . They put a gun in his

41:58

head , they put a gun to his mouth . I mean , they're

42:00

like literally just ransacking

42:03

the house . It's pretty brutal , like

42:05

it's . Yeah , nash isn't a great

42:07

person either , but it's fucking

42:09

vicious yeah it's vicious . The

42:13

gang made off with 1.2

42:16

million in cash , drugs , jewelry

42:18

and guns , and the robbery

42:20

also resulted in Gregory DeWitt Diles

42:22

, which was Nash's bodyguard , being shot and

42:24

injured in the process of all this shit

42:27

.

42:27

Okay , it's pretty impressive that this guy has

42:29

your guns and you still make off

42:31

with all that and robbery

42:33

.

42:35

Yikes , I mean , it's just

42:37

fucked up .

42:38

At no point has this story been not fucked up .

42:40

Right . Here's the thing . If

42:43

I was Eddie Nash , I

42:45

would 100% think that like

42:47

embarrassment , like that is

42:49

the one thing that's going to piss me off more than

42:51

anything .

42:52

Oh yeah .

42:52

So right away it's said that

42:55

Eddie knew that Holmes had involvement

42:57

because his over appearance earlier

42:59

seemed a little off . Now the

43:01

money , drugs and jewelry stolen got divided

43:04

and a small portion was given to Holmes

43:06

for his involvement . Right , and

43:08

it was kind of said that he threw a

43:10

fit like it wasn't as much as he wanted and

43:12

they were like , well , fuck you because you didn't do shit .

43:15

Like you opened the goddamn door , like

43:17

your debts washed , I'm gonna send a debit to them , right ?

43:19

Here's this . Get the fuck out of our face right . It's

43:22

said , though , that Gregory , which was

43:24

the bodyguard , saw

43:26

Holmes sporting one of Eddie's rings

43:29

the day after the robbery

43:31

. So can you imagine ? Now , mind you , eddie

43:33

Nash's bodyguard is like over

43:35

300 pound big black

43:37

man , and he just got shot last

43:40

night because he was robbed

43:42

, and he just sees you squirrely

43:44

little ass with your big dick wearing Nash's

43:46

ring . Why ?

43:47

are you wearing the ring ?

43:49

Exactly what the fuck are you doing ?

43:51

I mean , obviously he's out of his mind with drugs

43:53

. But like I feel like that's the number , you know

43:55

you're going to be in the same circles , Like it's

43:58

so evident that you're going to get caught Right .

44:00

Okay , so Holmes , being Holmes , couldn't really stay

44:02

away from Eddie and the drugs , so he ends up

44:04

back at the house . Now , it's one of those things

44:06

where interviews Eddie

44:09

Nash or . Nash's house . Yeah , Eddie's .

44:11

Eddie Nash .

44:11

Right Now . Here's the thing Holmes

44:14

kind of says . Well , I didn't want

44:16

him to think I had any involvement so I couldn't

44:18

not go . I'm always there .

44:20

Okay .

44:21

Now there are some that say that the

44:23

bodyguard , gregory , forced

44:26

Holmes back to the house , so it's really

44:28

unclear . Either fucking

44:30

way he ends up back at .

44:31

Nash's house .

44:32

He's back there , okay .

44:33

I'm going to go probably with the bodyguard . He

44:35

seems like a more reliable service

44:38

.

44:38

Yeah , so Nash , knowing the involvement , beat

44:40

the shit out of him for the names of the

44:42

men . Scott Thorson , who

44:45

was a boyfriend of Liberace

44:47

at the time and he had a really bad drug

44:49

habit , was at Nash's house buying

44:51

drugs that day and he claimed he

44:53

witnessed Holmes being tied to a chair

44:55

and repeatedly punched and

44:57

his family threatened until he revealed

45:00

the assailants identities .

45:02

Yikes , I mean , he kind of had

45:04

it coming though , right . This is like the epitome

45:06

of that phrase play stupid games , win stupid

45:08

prizes 100% .

45:10

4 pm July 1st 1981

45:13

, police entered 8763

45:15

Wonderland Avenue , laurel

45:17

Cannon , los Angeles , california .

45:19

Oh yeah , because Nash has the police on his side

45:21

.

45:23

The site unregistable . Unregistable

45:25

Say the word Unregisterable . Thank you , I don't know that . I've actually

45:27

heard that word before . Well , your brain wouldn't be able

45:29

to register if you saw it .

45:33

So it's unregisterable .

45:34

Five blood-ginned bodies were found

45:37

in various positions and rooms . Oh

45:39

, so the cops were on Nash . Ron

45:47

Launius , william Devereaux , joy

45:50

Miller , barbara Butterfly , richardson

45:53

and Susan . Launius's bodies were brutally

45:55

beaten with what they thought was

45:58

a metal pipe . Joy

46:00

Miller was found on her bed with

46:03

Devereaux at the foot of her bed in an upright

46:05

position leading against the TV stand . A

46:07

hammer was found at the bed , so it was actually

46:09

a lot of different ways . Launius

46:12

was found beaten to death on his bed . Susan

46:15

, who was visiting to patch things up with

46:17

Ron , was beside him on the floor

46:19

. Conveniently , Lind wasn't

46:22

with his 22-year-old girlfriend while

46:24

she was being brutally beaten . He

46:26

was with a prostitute doing drugs , and

46:29

Tracy McCourt was at his own home . Blood

46:32

was covered everywhere .

46:34

Oh yeah , that kind of blunt forest trauma

46:37

.

46:37

The photos are pretty brutal and

46:39

they're brutal and you can't even

46:41

clearly see the photos because they're from so

46:44

long ago . Right , but they're

46:46

brutal , but you just know they're bad

46:48

. Susan miraculously

46:50

survived . She suffered brain damage

46:52

and was left with permanent amnesia

46:55

regarding oh my god

46:57

, I can't speak permanent amnesia

46:59

regarding the night of her attack , and

47:02

she had to have part of her skull surgically removed

47:04

and she lost one finger

47:06

. I'm shocked that they left her alive . So

47:09

it's said that

47:11

one I don't know if this

47:13

is real or not , but

47:16

it's said that she thought

47:18

that she heard somebody say something

47:20

like that this one's still breathing . And

47:22

they said don't worry , there's no fucking way She'll survive

47:25

, essentially . So they just left her to die

47:27

Like they didn't think that she'd survive .

47:29

Okay , yeah , because that's starting to think it

47:31

like , but she left alive as

47:33

like a warning .

47:35

There was no evidence of forest untrilling

47:37

, making it appear that it was an inside job

47:40

. And at 3 AM neighbors later reported

47:42

hearing sounds of screams . But they didn't

47:44

report anything Because you have to

47:46

remember this is the 80s

47:48

and it's a party drug house , and so

47:50

the neighbors endured a lot of ruckus and screams

47:53

and all that in and out , so they never .

47:55

Yeah , I can't imagine that . It's too far out of the norm

47:57

, right ?

47:58

So they stopped reporting shit . Basically , this

48:01

is horrific . But they said that

48:03

the apartment was so fucking ransacked

48:05

but they actually didn't know

48:07

if it was from the

48:09

murders or from all the other fucking

48:12

filthy , fuck face animals

48:14

that would come for drugs and ransacked

48:16

the house after they got there , realizing everyone

48:18

was dead . Oh , they're

48:20

pretty sure it's combination of both .

48:22

Yeah , it makes sense .

48:24

Yep , so like little fuckers .

48:26

It's just horrifying , right .

48:27

Yeah , okay , all right Now

48:31

, with everything that I've just told you , who did it ?

48:33

Well , I would have said Nash until you asked me that question

48:36

. But I'm assuming there's a twist

48:38

.

48:38

No , I'm just asking .

48:39

I'm going to go with Nash in the bodyguard , Like it

48:42

has .

48:43

I would assume his team , but

48:45

I was like I don't think Nash would actually do it

48:47

himself . Right , Right .

48:48

Yeah , but it'd be his crew Okay .

48:50

Here's where it gets crazy . Was it

48:52

Holmes ? So

48:54

obviously the murders centered around Holmes and

48:57

the police had theories , so they

48:59

originally arrested Holmes after finding his bloody

49:01

handprint on the wall above Ron's

49:03

head , so it had looked like so . Ron

49:05

was in the bed and he was bludgeoned to death . So it

49:07

looked like his hand , like he was holding himself .

49:09

while he was yeah , he was supporting himself .

49:11

They arrest him for that . So they think

49:13

that you know he turned on the

49:16

gang after he didn't get the original

49:18

cut from the robbery . I didn't write

49:20

all of this but I pretty much . I've been obsessed

49:22

with this case forever . So essentially what happens

49:24

is they sit Holmes

49:27

down right and they have his

49:29

little LAPD informant man

49:31

that he was like friends with or whatever they interview

49:33

and they're like what the fuck's going on ? Holmes has this

49:35

elaborate story right , basically

49:37

kind of what I told you . He presents that we can

49:39

hate the Arab , he's my

49:41

friend , we can sell them the guns , blah , blah

49:44

, blah . He's like I come back and they're

49:46

pissed that they didn't get enough . I tell them

49:48

no , don't worry about it , like we're

49:50

not going to rob an Addie Nash . And they're all like

49:52

yep , we're fucking rob an Addie Nash , you're

49:54

fucking helping us draw a fucking map . So

49:56

Holmes is like they made me do it , they

49:59

made me draw this map , they made me

50:01

take them there . Blah , blah , blah . I didn't want to do

50:03

it . That's why it took me three times , because I

50:05

was trying to tell Eddie they're gonna like

50:08

they want their guns , just give them their

50:10

guns . And Nash is saying fuck that

50:12

, I'm Addie Nash , nobody can touch me

50:14

, type of deal , whatever . Okay . Then

50:16

he turns it around and basically says yes , I

50:19

had . I called Nash because I didn't want to think I'm involved

50:22

. I showed back up at the house . He beat the

50:24

shit out of me and he made

50:26

me go with his goonswad , essentially

50:28

, but I didn't see anybody . All I did was

50:30

I I didn't see anybody

50:32

, but I just unlocked their door .

50:34

Then how does your bloody handprint end up on the

50:36

wall ?

50:37

Okay , and then he kind of is

50:39

like well , uh .

50:42

Uh yeah no Well

50:44

.

50:45

So it gets really convoluted . So

50:47

then they find Lind right and they're like dude

50:50

Butterfly was just fucking murdered . She's 22

50:52

years old and has no charges , nothing

50:55

wrong with her . Like she was just brutally fucking murdered . What

50:57

the fuck happened . So Lind turns

50:59

on Holmes and it's like Holmes is a trash , fucking

51:01

filth bag , like it's all his fault

51:03

. So then that's where it's like it's you know , blah , blah

51:05

, blah . Like it's a whole fucking

51:07

. He said . She said type of deal . He started

51:09

all fucking boils down about drugs , drugs

51:11

. That's why you don't do drugs , kids . It's

51:14

like you could have just had a big dick and been happy

51:16

with it by yourself at the show

51:18

. Sharon , why did you have to do this ?

51:20

Or even if you did the movies just like save

51:22

the money you were making from like three or

51:24

that .

51:25

Yeah , that's fine . 70s money , god Okay

51:28

. So they again okay

51:30

. So the cops think that , like he turned um

51:33

, holmes turned because he didn't get enough money and

51:35

he willingly went to Nash and said these are who

51:37

did it , whatever . After a

51:39

publicized three week

51:42

trial , holmes was acquitted for

51:44

all criminal charges . What

51:46

Mm hmm Quitted

51:48

? Uh , for refusing to testify or

51:50

cooperate with authorities , though he did spend

51:52

110 tales , 110 days

51:55

, 110 days in .

51:57

How long is a day ? I

52:00

must know , I need to know .

52:04

Days in jail For

52:07

contempt to court Okay , so

52:09

what ?

52:10

So literally nothing .

52:12

Yeah , and I mean , he was like being

52:14

all like .

52:15

So it was at East , guys , though .

52:17

In 1990 , nash was charged in California

52:19

State Court for having planned the murders

52:21

and Diles his bodyguard was

52:24

charged Sixty weeks later and Diles

52:26

was charged as a participant . So

52:28

Scott Thorson , remember Liberace's

52:30

little boyfriend . He testified

52:33

against them , but the trial

52:35

ended with a hung jury vote

52:37

of 11 to one . A second

52:39

trial in 1991 ended

52:42

in an acquittal for both Nash and Diles

52:44

as well . I feel like there's way

52:46

.

52:48

It's so hard to prove that from like

52:50

? Why did it take 16 years to go to court

52:52

Just because Eddie was so untouchable ?

52:54

Uh that , and then like with Holmes

52:57

that he was just like going back and forth , and

52:59

then he , it was like it was there's so much more to

53:01

this case . Like we could have made this like a five

53:03

parter because like then you know he

53:05

was , he wanted to be under

53:07

the witness protection program , him , don

53:10

and Sharon , because you know Nash was

53:12

threatening to kill Sharon and and Don

53:14

and everybody and like all the shit , and

53:16

so it was like it got really bad and like you

53:19

, just you didn't know the real story

53:21

because you're you're going off of Holmes and

53:24

Lind . They're both trash

53:26

, fucking humans , drug addicts

53:28

and no matter what . Everybody

53:30

in this scenario was wrong except for

53:32

everyone flying . Butterfly now

53:34

. So

53:37

, like I said , there was way more in this case

53:39

, but we'd be here like all night . Holmes

53:43

died March 13th 1988

53:45

of AIDS related issues

53:47

and that's probably because he slept with 14,000

53:50

women .

53:51

Oh , my God .

53:51

You heard that 14,000 women .

53:53

I thought we were going to say a hundred . I was not prepared

53:55

for that .

53:56

So this is where does where does Don

53:59

? And listen after his

54:01

death . Sharon tells a

54:03

story of John arriving at her house

54:05

in the early morning covered

54:08

in blood and claiming to have been

54:10

in an automobile accident , and he wants

54:12

a bath . Sharon says

54:14

John has a habit where if he

54:16

has something unpalatable to pass

54:18

off , he gets into the bathtub , kind

54:20

of like , you know , making Don take all those I

54:22

was just going to say .

54:23

it was like , yeah , it seems to be what his ritual

54:25

is .

54:27

Rambling , he's incoherent and Sharon

54:29

isn't finding any cuts or injuries . Remember

54:31

, she's a nurse . So she's like covered

54:34

in blood and he just shows up like in

54:36

the wee hours in the morning and so she's like

54:38

looking for it and he's rambling and , you

54:40

know , confused , she asks or

54:43

I'm sorry he's talking about , um , there's

54:45

so much blood and seeing people be killed

54:47

. And she's like these were people

54:50

you knew , these were your friends . And

54:52

he replies they were scum

54:54

, they deserved everything they got .

54:57

Oh , so he comes clean like basically right

54:59

away .

55:00

And that is my favorite , for lack of a better

55:02

word unsolved true

55:04

crime case , and I've been obsessed

55:06

with this for years because the people

55:09

and the relationships are so fascinating to me

55:11

, like all the events that led us here . I don't

55:13

understand , like I understand

55:15

, but what the actual fuck

55:17

? And we haven't done a murder in a minute

55:19

, so I had to throw one in here . What

55:21

happened to ?

55:22

Don .

55:23

Okay , Uh . So in 2000,

55:25

. After a four year investigation

55:27

involving local and federal authorities , Nash

55:30

was arrested and

55:32

indicated on federal charges under the

55:34

racketeer influenced racket

55:36

oh my God . Under the racketeer

55:38

influenced corrupt organization

55:41

acts for running a drug trafficking

55:43

and money laundering operation , conspiring

55:47

to carry out the wonderland murders and

55:50

this is funny bribing

55:53

the soul holdout juror

55:55

on his first trial . So that

55:57

11 to one is

55:59

because Nash got to that one and

56:02

bribed that motherfucker .

56:03

That's not shocking .

56:05

Nope , so at least

56:07

he finally got something . But I

56:09

will end on a lighter note . Don took

56:11

her fucked up experience and she's

56:13

now an advocate for domestic violence and

56:15

grooming Um and she's involved in

56:18

a lot of really great like support groups . She

56:20

wrote a book about her experience with homes so

56:23

she turned it around and I

56:25

really did want to put more of Don's story in here

56:27

, but it was like kind of dark and tragic and

56:29

what's really sad is that she was

56:31

with him for five years and she did

56:33

end up breaking away and she moved away with

56:35

her mom for a while , but he would call

56:38

every day , every

56:40

single day . And he would

56:42

talk to her mom and be like tell Don , I love her

56:44

every single day . And like

56:46

one day she took the phone call and she

56:48

didn't say anything and he , uh

56:51

, he said something like baby

56:53

, I can hear you breathing . And she was

56:55

quoted saying like I just knew , like my breath

56:57

was like hope for him , Like

56:59

just hearing that . And so then she went back and

57:02

then it was like I think , like six months after , like

57:04

all this happened .

57:05

Oh , so she was like around .

57:07

Oh , she was around forever . I mean , he was horrible to her

57:09

. He put her in like brothels , he

57:11

like beat the shit out of her One day he waved out

57:13

and threw her in the back of the car and drove around for like

57:15

days . It was wild .

57:17

What about Sharon ?

57:18

Sharon just ended up like divorcing him

57:20

, thank God , and like living her own life and

57:22

just kind of like she didn't talk to her

57:24

. For I mean , I can barely find stuff on Sharon

57:27

.

57:27

Not unscathed , that's not the word

57:29

I want to use it all , but at least they they survived

57:32

it .

57:32

I'm sure they have a lot of work

57:34

to do in therapy .

57:35

But , wow , interesting , yeah

57:38

, okay , so I was thinking

57:40

about it more . Is that Boogie Nights or was ?

57:42

it . It is . It's loosely no , it's loosely

57:44

based off of that , but one of my favorite

57:47

movies which I'll let you borrow it , it's a really

57:49

good movie is called Wonderland , and

57:52

that's what I'm thinking of , because have

57:54

you seen it ?

57:54

Boogie Nights . He's in Boogie Nights , but Boogie Nights

57:57

is more Dirk Diggler , wasn't it ?

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I don't know . I never watched Boogie

58:00

Nights but I know that it's loosely based off of Holmes in Boogie Nights . But

58:02

Wonderland is for

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anybody that wants more information . There's a lot more in

58:07

it and I guess Dawn didn't

58:10

help write it but she like had

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some . Whatever .

58:14

Artistic creative license or something .

58:16

But that's a really good movie . And it's really

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really creepy , because if you watch Holmes

58:20

interviews and then you watch

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oh fuck , what's his name

58:25

? Oh my God , who played Holmes ? Oh

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my God , I'm so fucking mad that's

58:31

not coming .

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Val Kilmer .

58:34

Thank you . He plays him

58:36

so fucking

58:39

well . His little weird tics

58:41

and mannerisms are so

58:43

on point . It's

58:45

fucking creepy . It's like jarring when you watch an

58:47

interview of Holmes and then you watch him play .

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I feel like I watched that movie a long

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time ago . I need to watch it again .

58:53

Yeah , we can watch it together . I have it .

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Nice job though , yeah .

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So it's really fucked up , and it's one of those cases

58:59

where I hate saying it's my favorite true crime case , because

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that's awful , but it really is what I'm so fascinated

59:04

in . And if you deep dive into Eddie

59:06

Nash , it's like how did you ? I

59:08

don't understand these people

59:10

. Why do I love the bad guys ? I

59:13

love Ron Annias and Eddie Nash . How

59:15

did you get here ? You know what I mean . You

59:17

have all of this power . Why are we doing

59:19

?

59:20

this . All of them have enough legitimate

59:22

businesses that they didn't have to go this route

59:24

. What is it that makes you about

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the drug life that makes you tick ? It's gotta

59:29

be that living on the edge kind of like

59:31

adrenaline drunkenness .

59:33

I can definitely see myself in

59:35

another life , have been married to like Eddie

59:37

Nash and just like yeah , touch

59:39

me .

59:41

Oh , my God .

59:42

All right . So , thanks

59:45

to pimpnamecom

59:47

, I was able to get your porn surname Ooh what

59:49

is mine ? Ricky

59:52

Stone .

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Ricky Stone . That's lame .

59:55

I don't know . I literally just said are you a male

59:57

? And I said male and it said Ricky

1:00:00

Stone , Mine , Christie , Texas

1:00:02

.

1:00:04

Funny that it's Christie .

1:00:05

I know .

1:00:09

Wait , so you only put it in male or female .

1:00:10

That's all you had to do . Yeah , no .

1:00:12

All right , all right . What's

1:00:15

the website ?

1:00:15

again in case people want to go figure out their porn name . Pimpnamecom

1:00:18

. You could also I think it was like your gang name

1:00:21

. It was weird . There was like a lot of

1:00:23

stuff . Oh my God .

1:00:24

All right . Well , at least we left it something a little lighter

1:00:26

.

1:00:27

There is way , way , way , way more

1:00:29

information like I wish I could have fit in there

1:00:31

, because there's so much more to this case . The

1:00:33

trial part in the back and forth is actually really

1:00:35

fascinating . I just can't write

1:00:37

about that . So I highly

1:00:39

suggest people look into a little bit more or watch

1:00:41

Wonderland , because it goes back and forth . It's like

1:00:44

really it's good .

1:00:45

All right . So Kira's left you with some

1:00:47

movies , some research recommendations

1:00:50

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for so long .

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it real yabbles .

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