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Music.

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And welcome back to Of Slides and Men. First of all, this is a little bit of

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a different way of recording for us. We're actually both just chilling in an office right now.

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We're hooked up to the mics that we use for filming YouTube videos.

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Because this is going to be a different type of podcast. It's going to be a bit more casual.

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We're just going to share some cool stories from the past, I guess, last week.

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We'll get into what those stories are and what the topic is.

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But I should introduce the co-founder of The Daily Magician.

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And not a guest but my friend for

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the day benji yeah just for

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the day just for the day for the length of the podcast we'll see if we can make

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it till the end yeah we'll see yeah i mean i so i think this is gonna be a good

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idea having the mics like this but i will admit it's kind of awkward position

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so i'm leaning back in my chair but now i'm sort of rigidly in position because

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I don't want my chest squeaking. And so it is sort of defeating the purpose.

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You know, squeaks may, maybe hard.

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If that's what it costs for comfort, you may have some squeaks. Yeah.

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So the podcast, what are we gonna be talking about today? Well,

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we just went down and filmed with illusionist.

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It was for a project that we can't give too many details on because we don't

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know exactly what's going to happen with it. But we will say it did include us doing a lot of street magic and performing with G and Yannick.

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G is the, well, his name, we always mispronounce it, but Garrent Clark,

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don't worry. He gets that from everyone. His, he always says that his name is a hard one to say. So everyone just calls him G.

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But yeah, we were there with G. Actually Ben O was there for a little bit,

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but he wasn't at all to do with us. He was just happened to be there.

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And then we were there with a few, I don't know,

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Yannick's second name i think now that i think about it barth barth okay and

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he's an incredible german magician who who works with illusionist as well and

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also shout out to duane anyway this is not really a shout out i don't know where

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i am at this point basically we went down oscar yeah,

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yeah we went down with illusionist film a trailer during that we did a lot of

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street magic we want to talk about some of those experiences and just kind of

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talk about the experience of performing, And we should disclaimer this, like we disclaimed at the squeaks of a chair.

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It wasn't like we killed it. It wasn't. We're not, self-admittingly,

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we are not professional magicians. We work with a lot of world-class magicians.

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We're surrounded. We're in the milieu of magic.

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But when it comes to performing day in and day out, we just don't do that. We run a magic company.

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That's what we do day in and day out. and so this is the first time well ever

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that we've performed with like a professional crew,

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filming us doing street magic which to be honest is not actually what we thought

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we'd be doing when we went down well we knew we'd be doing performances for

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you know random spectators and going into bars and clubs and that sort of thing

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but the amount of magic we ended up doing on the street was actually,

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surprising i guess yeah yeah yeah well like you said i'm not embarrassed to admit i think,

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I think I can put myself out

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on a limb and say I think I have good ideas I think

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I come up with good methods and people find them interesting but

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performing on the street yeah it's not not

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my forte definitely not I think it's a cool experience I'd love to be as good

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at it as some of those other guys yeah but yeah definitely I will be the first

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to say that that is a very uncomfortable unfamiliar environment when you first

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dropped into it that is what it is yeah.

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So that was look at us look at us now we just

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sat leaning back on our arm just literally armchair experts talking about it's

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so easy in this setting it's so easy to get back and kind of put on this air

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of well you know from those two days we spent in london but honestly just Just touch your mind back.

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You're in the street and it's raining. Oh, man.

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You know do i want to cast my mind hard to get a little bit wet and you know you just feel like.

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So it's i feel like we're we're

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already perhaps putting on airs yeah but

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yeah well the one thing i will say that

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was really cool was just having a

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film crew it was really cool to have pro magicians

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there making you feel so super comfortable helping you.

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Perform the trick correctly helping you iterated that sort of

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thing that whole part of it was like wow that

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is really cool and unique turns within the actual street magic

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to be honest well first of

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all we didn't get that many occasions to do it which is something that i

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wasn't expecting that much going in

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i thought it would be kind of like 100 performances pick the best one but

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that was a bit naive yeah but it

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was raining been in yeah there was some issues with

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that with the weather yeah yeah and also

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well before we get into that do we want to just give

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the listeners a quick little i don't know what they should

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expect what are we actually going to talk about we're just going to talk

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about lessons learned perhaps some funny

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stories yeah that kind of thing yeah just

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talk about yeah what it was like to do stream magic

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lessons we learned from being around top magicians that

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are very good at it it's we're just talk

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we're going to talk about what happens when you take two armchair

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experts and drop them in the middle of

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london the streets of london at 12 a.m and

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point five thousand camera at them yeah and spooky yeah spoilers it's kind of

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what you expect well there's monkeys can't really dance yeah i guess we start

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with like the first night so So we got there.

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And we did the trick for Dwayne and Yannick.

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They liked it and then yannick was

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also there to film a few kind of they were

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also work him and geo also working on a trick so he was also there

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to film before film a few performances i

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don't know why that's such a tongue twister and so he just

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started performing outside we were at this

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bar what was it called brew dog we're

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at brew dog waterloo maybe some of you will know that

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that location it's a really cool bar it's got

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bowling and table tennis not that we actually ended up doing

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any of that but it was a very cool location

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looks very cool very vibey decent pizza

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as well but yeah yannick started just

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doing some performances outside that brought in a few people and.

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Then he kind of changed run just kind of transitioned to for

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us to perform i don't know if how i don't

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know if i'm going to do like a i'm kind of starting this

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out like it's going to be like a shot by shot like it's almost like my diary giving

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us the playbook now that i think about it it's

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gonna be like very boring if i do it that way but maybe we should just get

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into how performing felt the first day yeah i

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picked up the card and i i had them pick a

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card and i was gonna try a horse card but i missed it

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so instead i have them anyway yeah

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no you're right it is a little i realize now

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that i'm pretty much like it's almost like i'm speaking to my mom and i

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give it a like oh that's exactly what happened every second

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every day yeah well okay let's let's

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think I think I think we can either talk about this in terms of stories or about

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talk about it in terms of principles I don't know when you want to start if

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you want to start with or some overall lessons learned and then maybe that'll

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sort of trigger yeah I guess now that the scene's set so that you guys have

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an idea of where we were kind of what the vibe was.

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How yeah just kind of the environment that we were in now that the scene's

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set I can move more into just kind of what it

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was like from that point forward so yeah i think the first lesson learned was

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well this is kind of the biggest takeaway i took from everything which is weird

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because the way we built it up this is going to seem almost like disingenuous

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but i realized like magic is actually so much easier to perform than i thought it was.

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Like i thought magic was so like and don't get me wrong it is hard to be a great performer,

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but when it came to the actual effects and performing for people

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i realized this you have

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so much expectation as a magician where you're like

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i don't know you're like man like let me just do

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like these 10 false shuffles and then like also i

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need to do this so that like people know that it's actually like i'm

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gonna flick the cards then they know it's not like a double lift and

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then i'm gonna perform this insane

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seven pharaoh sequence and that way

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this trick will actually be fooling all that

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stuff is like just kind of dumb when you're like

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you actually get down to performing for an actual spectator it's so like

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i think i was like saying i definitely did it

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wrong which is like i was like overthinking so hard where like

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when it got later into like the next few days

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and i just perform like a card to mouth like an ambitious card to

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mouth routine to to start like they really

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enjoyed it and i could have been so much

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more relaxed from start to finish because like it's just

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such a different experience i think when we're like caught in this like trap

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of like making magic for magicians a lot of the time which we are and like you're

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overproven yeah you're overproven at every step where like the spectator just

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wants to see something cool yeah well i think the tricky part about that is

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everything you just said. Wouldn't actually necessarily be a bad idea bad idea to do if you were performing for the magician,

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yeah exactly maybe maybe it's

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a bit of overkill but at the same time i think doing those things for a magician

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audience it actually can make the trick more full and so we fall into that trap

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and you forget to switch that part of your brain off it reminds me i think yannick

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and duane first night they were talking about how yeah great there's this you

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know shuffle sequence cut cut sequence, lovely, it's lovely.

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But you know, most people, if you just take cards, give them a single cut,

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and you say, okay, now that the card's been cut, anyway I can know where your card is.

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People would just be like yeah yeah there's no way cards are cut yeah you don't

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need to do this whole sort of triple cut shuffle sequence yeah i think is that

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sort of getting at a similar point yeah and it's like it's not to say those

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things are like because full shuffles are. Very useful as convinces and obviously

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having the spectators being able to shuffle the deck is like a good thing and

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i think also it's partly colored by you know when you're filming something

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yeah that also changes that what you think okay well

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how do i reduce that time yeah but

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if you weren't filming why not be as important yeah i

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think it's like i think what i realize is like

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all those things are great but it's like pick

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which one almost like pick which one is most important you know

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or it's like instead of doing

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all the convincers pick the one that's going to like have the most effect on

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the spectator you know like have them shuffle the

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cards or do a false shuffle I

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mean that you like you don't need like all of

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them I guess you know it just made me realize like I don't

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know it just made me realize how much more open

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lay people are to magic than I kind

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of got trapped in my head and thinking they were yeah well

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where I kind of put I assumed the magician's.

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Position for them where they're not

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in that mindset at all yeah yeah yeah

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it's a good takeaway good takeaway

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uh yeah i definitely won't be scared

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to perform magic again going forward like even yesterday our

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taxi driver was like taking us back and he

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was like i was just telling him i've been london whatever i don't

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know how he got to it but he's like can i see magic and i was like just like man

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i felt so relaxed to do it after like the big camera is

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pointing at me in the pouring rain in london with like 10

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people watching and like the ceo of illusionists over

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your shoulder it's like oh man i was

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like yeah sure bro like no stress you.

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Know after all why not

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perform you can't mouth yeah seriously that's

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my main takeaway stupid meme it's

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probably not even worth getting to describing the meme if you know you know

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i guess yeah but yeah no i think that's a good takeaway i have yeah i have takeaways

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too i have quite a few takeaways ways so we can just kind of go through them

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keep them rolling this is in no particular order but.

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And a lot of this is going to sound quite obvious a lot it probably is quite obvious,

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but i think for me the biggest the biggest insight i had over over the time that we were there,

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the biggest moment where i was like oh wow that is a revelation why have i not

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thought about it that way before is there's something yannick said to me which

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is you know when you're performing uh it was along these lines word but basically

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when you're performing for people. Don't forget that you're performing for people and so there's a tendency often

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to just come in and just immediately be like who wants to shuffle who wants

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to pick a card and just get into the trick but the value of just taking a few

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minutes before you start of just sitting down saying hey

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i know this is weird this is i'm a stranger you don't know me i'm just

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coming up ahead to do card tricks but is it

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okay if i just get to know you your guys' names first i'd like

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to know you know know who i'm performing for what's your name what's your name

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oh look at you guys together you worked at a movie and just spending a few minutes

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getting to know people just you know treating them like normal people because

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they're all normal people and just spending those minutes all that time that

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initial investment to build that rapport and build a relationship i think,

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it's just so valuable because it's so much easier i think to perform for friends

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than it is for strangers, at least for me.

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And I think pretty for most people, because you get to the point where you're

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on the same side, it's not you. Some, some stranger come in, interrupting them. They're in the middle of a conversation.

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They want to get back on their thing and you're sort of under.

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What's the word you need to prove yourself you need to prove that your magic

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is worth the interruption and so there's this pressure on it it's like okay

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well is it going to be is it going to be water but if you spend that time you

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build up a friendship but it recall suddenly it's like

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oh yeah let's see a car and we're all we're all rooting for you here yeah and

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they're going to help you out and they're going to they're going to laugh at

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your jokes more and they're going to interact better but also you're just going

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to find it more satisfying because you're not just going to be performed by strangers,

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you're going to be performed by people that you've built a relationship with.

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And then also if the trick then goes wrong or doesn't quite go the way you want,

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you don't walk away from that with nothing.

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If all you've done was go up and do a card trick when you walk away,

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then all that will be all that happened in that interaction is you just did

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a card trick and you forgot your keycard or something.

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Whereas if you actually have had a good conversation,

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you've had that social spark, when you walk away way

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their day has been made better

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hopefully regardless of whether or not the trick worked

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and rather than just being someone that

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did card tricks you're just oh someone we met who also

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happened to do card tricks and that sounds like the same thing but i think it's quite a

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big difference and so just shifting the perspective that way and

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focusing on building rapport with people before and after performing was honestly

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yeah a massive takeaway for me something that that as soon as i started trying

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to do a better job with that i immediately felt the effects immediately more

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relaxed and i just felt that rapport was so much greater you agree yeah for,

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sure yeah i think it's just like it's just like life in general really just

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like people love connecting with people yeah and in magic you have a great opportunity

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to connect with people in a a way that they really enjoy so use that occasion

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and relax into it yeah yeah i think if i was.

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To tomorrow go and do street magic again in london my goal would be okay this evening i want to,

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make some really cool connections with some really cool people yeah oh and hopefully

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i do some magic as in and amongst doing that yeah rather than my goal being

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oh i want to do some cool magic and and impress people.

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Because I think if you just go in with the goal of like, I just want to meet

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some cool people, make some new friends, have some interesting conversations.

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Build some interesting relationships, but then magic is sort of like coming

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up as you do that, because obviously it's people asking, well,

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what are you doing here? Why are you here? It's just going to come up and I think that, I don't know. What do you think

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it would be a hundred percent? Yeah, a hundred percent.

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I think I was just thinking about when you were saying it, like definitely tell

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that was like the attitude that Yannick and G had, cause there was like chatting

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to people being super casual, it's like really enjoying themselves, you know?

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Whereas we were a lot more like tense.

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We were a lot more like, well, when are we going to have to do like,

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when are we doing the next trick for, you know? But if we had that more like casual, I was out with the boys having a good night.

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Maybe we'll do some magic because like we're magicians, it would have been a

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lot more enjoyable for the filming team to Oh, yeah, because that's interesting.

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Well, I think we noticed that was that, for example, after Gio Yanks really

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did the trick, part of me was expecting as soon as they were done,

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we got all right, move on, like on to the next trick.

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Yeah. group let's just you know not not these these

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filming sections out yeah but

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often trick would finish cards would go away and

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then you know 15 20 minutes later we'd still be there

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just talking to the same people and i think that also made those people feel

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more valued because it wasn't just like they didn't feel oh these people just

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came up to me to like show me a card trick and get my reaction on camera it

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was like no they just i guess wanted to come socialize and card Patrick was

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almost just, you know, something that happened, but it wasn't the defining.

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Moment of the interaction. Yeah. I mean, it was a big moment of it. Definitely something people remember,

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but I just think staying. Yeah, it's a weird one. It's like, it's kind of annoying that we have to reflect

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on all these lessons now because it would have been so helpful in the moment.

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But that's the thing with like any performance art is like, it's a performance art.

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So you're not gonna get better at it yeah unless you put

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yourself in those situations consistently yeah and the

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only thing is like i mean we just don't do

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street magic like you know like the last time i did street magic i was like

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16 going around like as you'll

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see from my very first podcast that you scroll back harassing grandmas trying

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to show them david blaine tricks yeah so it's just like it's annoying when we're

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putting in these words because i'm like wow yeah that's a great way of thinking

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about it like in the moment i was like so freaking stressed like the cameras

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are on, I was like, man, I hope I don't mess up.

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They're judging me as well like everyone that's filming me is judging me these

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guys are judging me obviously like that's not going to make the spectators comfortable

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either because like that's going to make you like naturally standoffish when

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you feel like they're judging you, when they're not it doesn't even make sense like they're

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just they're trying to have a good night out yeah you're trying to

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have a good night out it's kind of like yeah one plus

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one so you can work two right we all have the same goal yeah yeah

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exactly it's like we're on the same team which is like out trying

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to have a good time yeah yeah so yeah

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no i mean well like you said it's just just putting

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the reps in yeah it is what it is you just gotta do it to know how to do it

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and all this being said it's easy for us to sort of philosophize this right

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here but i i bet if we were suddenly dropped back in that scenario maybe hopefully

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it'd be like i want to be better but But he definitely would still be...

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He still wouldn't be Gio or Yannick. Not by a long shot.

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But no, I think reps and experience is such a key thing. It reminds me of a quote I saw.

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I think it was yesterday by a guy called Alex Hormozy. Do you know who that is?

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Yeah, I don't know. I've seen a lot of his stuff around lately.

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It's on a bit of a content ground, I think. Anyway, he said this thing.

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It was just two sentences. No, wait. No, it was just one sentence, I think.

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Okay, I don't know. It has a colon in it, so.

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Does it matter? Just read the quote. I'm just curious.

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Is that two sentences or is that one sentence? Looks like two, I guess.

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Well, the way it's... Yeah, because this one has a capital letter.

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That. But can you end the sentence with a cool one? I don't think so.

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I don't know. I will let you decide. The big questions on the slides of me. Yeah.

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Well, the quote is this, how to become confident in any skill.

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How to become confident in any skill. Do it so many times you get bored of doing it.

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So it's interesting. Alex Ramos is not a magician, not that I know of.

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But as soon as I read that quote, I, you instantly

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thought about magic and just how

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true that is yeah and okay something

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to point out i want to make sure this is clear is i'm not saying

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the goal is to be bored while doing your

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performing or street magic but i think you

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want to be bored not bored

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but was bored doing like the method like in terms of just the raw slides

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yeah okay i'm gonna do this then we'll do this that

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aspect that aspect of it you've done so many times like the confidence comes

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from doing something so many times you can do it in your sleep you're just like

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it's boring to you to like okay i'm going to practice this move again you know

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or i'm going to do this move again but what makes it interesting is obviously

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you know the people and the interaction and the relationality the relationship,

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with the audience but in terms of the actual what you're doing and the mechanics

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i think that is just such a cool way of looking at it and it is true you know

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that's the best way to build confidence it's just to do something so many times

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that it's just like you know. Yeah it's natural and that does actually that

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is actually what allows you to enjoy the

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trick because then when you're doing the trick you know focus on the trick

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focus on the spectators focused on how you're making them feel

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and you can definitely you can just see that top performers

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like when i think over it's like at no point do

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they seem to care about the method at all

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yeah you know like they're just they're with

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the spectator they're with the person they're performing they're not

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worried about doing the trick you

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know yeah yeah yeah and that's

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what you notice when you when you do stuff that you

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have done for like 10 years yeah what

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you haven't and it's it is tough because like well how

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else how do you get familiar with it yeah except

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from doing it that so like before yeah that first period you

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can't really skip you know if you want to get to that point you

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still have to go through that initial period but it's just useful to bear that

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in mind and and yeah what

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it reminds me it was a kind of

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an embarrassing story but don't worry there'll be plenty more of those to come one

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time i think i was performing and it wasn't like that complicated in effect

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but it was just like a different structure it was my first time doing i think

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it might be my first time doing it in this structure and so i was quite thinking

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about okay well this is gonna happen and then i gotta be ready to do this and

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this and this this. So I started out by having some shuffle.

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And I was like, Okay, well, once he gives them back, I gotta get ready to do

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this and then this. And then he gave him back and I did it, etc,

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etc. And the trick works. After the trick, I think it was yeah, I pulled me aside and you were there and

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he was like, so you noticed this, but while that guy was shuffling,

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one of these other guys was like, I don't know if he was like,

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he was like, trying to make a joke, tell me something or he was interacting or he was he was,

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he was sort of yeah he was interacting with me but i just was

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completely zoned in on like all right

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once these cards come back in my hand i gotta be ready i'm just looking

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at the cards just burning which is so ridiculous as yannick pointed out because

24:58

like the cards are gonna i don't need to supervise respect shuffling the cards

25:02

like that's just he's shuffling like it's fine like you know we have the interaction

25:07

we're gonna shuffle like we it's not the most important thing here the most

25:10

important The important thing is, you know, what's going on here, what I'm talking about, et cetera, et cetera.

25:13

And so looking back, I was like, yeah, it totally didn't clock that.

25:17

It just flew right by me because I was too focused on that.

25:21

Whereas on the other hand, as we're saying here, if you've done it so many times,

25:24

you're bored of doing it. I just, it's so much easier to just be present. Yeah. Yeah.

25:31

And I think, yeah, I mean, I've got some really more to add. Yeah.

25:35

Make sure you can do the trick so then you can focus on the performance.

25:40

Yeah. Or like I was saying, well, what if it's like, no, I think this is a good trick.

25:46

I just like, how, how do I get to the point, you know, maybe I have like four

25:50

tricks where I'm already at that point, but that comes from having done it for like

25:54

four or five years isn't already putting those reps in it's

25:57

obviously a new thing you do just have to put the reps in but like it's still

26:00

useful to kind of know this and obviously practice that much you

26:03

can at home to sort of build up that yeah

26:06

as much as you can but obviously and introduce it i

26:09

guess into casual settings as well you don't have to stress about it

26:12

but that's a lot like it's like something that a lot

26:15

of magicians do they'll just like introduce new tricks and settings where

26:18

like they feel like they can experiment yeah or

26:21

maybe they've done like they've kind of they know they're going to to perform a

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Well, I think this principle goes hand in hand with something else we were talking

27:03

about, which is there's a lot of tricks that we don't perform.

27:07

And I don't know if this is the same for you, but I think for me,

27:10

sometimes I feel like I've seen them so many times.

27:14

I'm just sort of a little bored of the plot.

27:16

Yeah. I don't know, two card Monty, maybe that's not the best example because

27:20

I haven't done that one in a ton. I guess just Ambitious Card is a classic example.

27:25

We've done it so many times that like. Subconsciously sometimes we just don't do it because it's

27:31

like well we can do something new you know like yeah how about

27:34

this but you we forget

27:37

that they expect it like they've never seen before

27:40

like if it's a good

27:43

trick if it's universally just like a really good trait you

27:47

don't lose anything by doing it again again again different groups of people

27:51

because for them it's still first time they're seeing it yeah and And so sometimes

27:56

I think there's a certain resistance subconsciously because I don't think I

28:00

ever thought about it that way doing that because maybe there's a bit of like,

28:05

oh, I've just seen it so many times. But that's probably a good sign or seen it or done it so many times.

28:09

And that's probably a good sign that it is a great thing to do because that

28:11

means you are going to be able to tap into that confidence.

28:15

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking maybe I should break up the magic lessons of just

28:21

like a stupid funny story. Yeah, go for it. is probably one of the probably the biggest fail of the whole

28:28

thing to be honest and it was i don't know i got one yeah actually that one

28:32

is pretty good too yeah but this one man basically the straight down before

28:37

mean that the spectators have to drop the cards but it doesn't just doesn't,

28:44

i don't know let's just say like it doesn't really work unless it's the right surface,

28:49

unless they're dropping it onto us yeah unless they're dropping onto like a

28:51

surface like any some sort of surface but we were in the street and it was the

28:55

first time I'd done it in the street and I was like you know what like if it hits it would be so sick,

29:02

so I'd already hit like one trick and I was just kind of feeling like oh you

29:06

know what throw away see what happens you know.

29:11

So like I drop the cards on the floor and it's just like brand new deck of pretty

29:19

nice looking playing cards, and he the prospector drops the cards they hit

29:24

the floor and they literally just flew freaking everywhere

29:28

like it literally just exploded like and

29:31

the deck just went absolutely everywhere

29:35

like into the dirt everywhere and of

29:38

course like it didn't even get close to his card like completely failed

29:42

it was it was so it was awful and we were

29:44

on a fairly narrow pavement and there

29:48

was a lot of people so it was like kind of like under some people's not

29:51

under that i think one of them went down a drain like yeah

29:54

the other one like yeah the other ones were just lost to the

29:57

street i don't know man it was yeah kind of like

30:00

oh sorry that's your ankle but yeah i

30:03

felt kind of bad as well because the spectator just he didn't.

30:06

Like he felt so guilty for like dropping like because obviously

30:09

like he dropped the cards because of

30:13

him they'd flown everywhere into london

30:16

the deck was just completely ruined well obviously

30:19

like i know i didn't blame him but now now thinking back on it

30:22

like now i actually see why he felt so bad because to be fair

30:25

like if i it wasn't his fault i told

30:28

him to do it but he definitely felt bad but

30:32

yeah man that was a huge that's the math of the hell but i

30:35

was like ah you know what like i'm just gonna go for him it was

30:38

terrible oh that was probably the lowest

30:41

point it was yeah it reminds

30:45

me so before we went we were talking to the danny danny

30:48

goldsmith this is probably a good

30:51

segue into the yeah and he was giving us his sort

30:54

of like you know he's very good at he's a

30:57

professional performer he's a person before and he's just very good at like

30:59

being very calm yeah about these things let's think about this you know yeah

31:04

let's falsify that a little bit yeah so you guys are stressed you're not but

31:07

let's break this down like what are you actually scared of and at the time we

31:13

were like he was like that. Yeah I guess just you know like public humiliation he was like yeah just imagine like.

31:23

Worse that could happen and obviously

31:28

within the context of like doing a magic trick

31:31

etc but he and then so we're saying like all this

31:34

sort of like stuff and the point of it is supposed to be

31:37

like it's a it's well intent it's a it's well intentioned and like i see the

31:41

value of of it and it's something i've seen like tim ferriss talk about it's

31:45

like this and where he just talks about like just think about sometimes when

31:48

you're thinking about doing i'm scared you know what if this happens you just

31:51

let yourself play that out and say yeah what if that does happen like.

31:55

Okay what if yeah what if i probably do just

31:58

mess up this trick and everybody's watching and it's like totally embarrassing

32:01

like what if that does happen well i

32:04

mean i guess it'll just happen and then we'll just go do the next one you know

32:06

yeah that's what it kind of you you sort of you put

32:09

higher stakes on it and because in your head the sort

32:13

of the stress you associate with the possibility of

32:16

that happening it's so high you know that feels like that

32:19

happens like what's so so what like why are

32:23

some cards going for like the really matter but it's

32:25

just funny because then we'd have that conversation that is quite easy in the

32:28

in the moment of like talking about i guess yeah

32:32

who cares yeah what is the worst thing but then but so then it was so funny

32:37

when then we were in that moment or like shortly afterwards where we just kept

32:41

like saying put our minds back and we're like we just hear danny's voice in

32:45

the head like it happened it's just like.

32:54

We're just on the ground this right day i feel really bad he's like i'm so sorry

32:58

and danny's voice in our heads.

33:02

But no just so to sort of put my own i guess we'll see see which one sounds

33:09

worse when we say them this way, but...

33:12

I think the funniest moment for me of like kind of what we're talking about

33:16

here, this, this public humiliation is, was, so again, we're not going too much

33:22

into the details of the trick. Uh, there's a trick where I ended up like kicking the cards of what magic happens after that.

33:30

But because I ended up doing that, there's kind of a, I thought it was like

33:34

a little bit of a funny bit. If I just take, I don't know, 10, 20 pieces back and I sort of do a little bit of a stretch,

33:39

a bit of a warmup, jump on the spot you know get limber and do a nice run up

33:45

to the cards kind of get some rough speed going and then i kick them and the

33:48

magic happens as a one time i was,

33:51

prepared for this and it was like the street and

33:54

there was people well because

33:58

it was like an outside bar i guess so there was like

34:00

tables so the person like

34:03

the people it was a couple of girls and they were on a table near the end and

34:10

so in my run up my walking back i was also passing other people and so people

34:14

kind of like what's going on they're watching and then obviously because i was

34:17

doing such like theatrical warm-ups everyone was watching and so then i was like oh,

34:23

nice you know so then i set off and i'm running and running and then i just

34:28

like tripped over my my feet.

34:31

I didn't even mess up. Like, I mean, yes, I guess yes, that is me messing up

34:37

the trade by guy guilty as charged. But like, it wasn't that the method broke.

34:43

It was just like, yeah, they just kind of tripped on my feet.

34:46

It's like you tripped over to about to reveal that card and drop the deck.

34:50

Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah. It's like, not what there's a different example. But like, same thing.

34:55

It wasn't that I it wasn't that I didn't control their cards

34:58

off it's just that i like fumbled the cards and it

35:01

all fell yeah i mean i did mess it up but like it was just like pure clumsiness

35:06

wasn't really like anything else yes i did that and then like you know trip

35:12

my feet in front of everyone and then i was like maybe i'll try again but i

35:15

think by that point i'd done by the time i was doing it again because of what had happened i'd.

35:21

Wasn't in a position to do the trick, but I didn't know.

35:25

And so I was just like, Oh, maybe, you know, so again, didn't work.

35:28

There's just, you know, same feeling as you. I'm just like on the ground.

35:31

Now the cards are everywhere because I like to kick them, you know, to pick them up.

35:37

The pain. What about something else? Yeah, maybe, you know, maybe a different trick.

35:43

So, yeah, I don't know. That was pretty bad, too.

35:46

Yeah, I will say the satisfaction of hitting them when they did hit was really high, though.

35:50

Them yeah i can see how people get hooked on performing especially street

35:54

performing because it is so i don't

35:57

know there's just something about i walked up to

35:59

a random person on the street asked him to see a magic trick they were

36:02

like okay blew their mind it's such

36:05

a satisfying feeling and i feel like you're really giving them like something to

36:09

remember about the night out yeah it's a nice feeling yeah

36:12

well they will say like we were talking about how it was

36:15

a very we had end it in quite a satisfying way where obviously we'd

36:19

had a fair share of oh yes

36:22

problems over the days the earlier.

36:26

Takes and such but then the second day i think

36:29

it was all just about done in the night it was

36:31

raining it's late everyone was a bit done to

36:34

be honest yeah done you know

36:37

like let's just be done people had flights to catch in

36:40

the morning all that but we still had like a couple

36:43

well yeah we mainly had just one thing we still needed

36:46

to film and so we went to the spa we managed

36:49

to find you know some people who wanted to see it and and

36:52

so i was in a position where i

36:55

was going to be the one doing it but i also had all

36:58

these undercurrents of knowing that everybody sort of

37:01

wanted to be done but also the thing that i was about to do

37:03

was one that i was quite nervous to do because as at

37:06

least compared to some of the other stuff we've been practicing and it was significantly harder

37:10

or at least when we were practicing it was so even

37:14

though i felt like i had the method down it was still a little

37:17

let's see and and so obviously

37:20

then and then there's just the normal pressure you know cameras out filming

37:23

people there marked up all that but i think really what was it's making me my

37:30

palms a little sweaty just thinking back about it because what was so stressful

37:33

was that i didn't do the trick we were trying to film first we did a A different

37:38

one, like a warm-up thing, like an ambitious card. And it was it went well right it was just

37:43

called like we were talking about it was just an easier thing

37:46

to do i sort of knew what i was doing i was confident with it or at

37:49

least i felt that way as i went well and the reactions were

37:52

good enough that then like by the time it came by the time

37:55

it came to doing the trick that we were there to film yeah there

37:58

was now more people watching people

38:01

so like a lot of people had come over and i saw some other guy like obviously

38:05

we were filming with actually some other guy like with his one hand he's filming and

38:08

he even filmed the whole thing where he was there and he

38:11

was coming over and i was like oh no like i'm a i'm a

38:14

victim of my own success yeah i'm saying i blew it

38:17

out the part of the ambitious car but is it good enough that now like there was

38:20

even more people watching so i've done the thing that

38:22

we had to do and i'm like you know in the back of

38:25

my head i've also got the memories of like what did i say when

38:28

we messed up those other times yeah that'd be cool like

38:31

i didn't even know what i was going to do at that point i was wondering i

38:34

guess if it messes up it messes up like i'll find

38:37

them out or something also the pub was about to close in 10 minutes

38:40

i don't know if you knew that either oh yeah well i didn't know that at

38:42

the party yeah but like we that was literally after we

38:46

you did that trick they were like get out yeah wow yeah that's true yeah and

38:51

and that and like we none of us none of us like i would have felt so bad if

38:55

it gone wrong and then we would have to keep filming and everyone wanted to

38:58

go to bed so there's just all that like yeah emotional undercurrents so then

39:02

the feeling oh and this one no.

39:07

Yeah yeah, but yeah and then when I did it like was,

39:17

pretty much as well as I could ask for yeah that's how I felt at the time and

39:22

then not only that but like they loved it yeah,

39:25

yeah they loved it they were just like you know,

39:29

the audience was loving it it like it hit the amount of

39:33

like euphoria was just like

39:36

you know it was just so satisfying i think

39:39

yeah so satisfying because of like some of the previous lows

39:42

so it like you're saying and it's a long build-up and a long story for me to

39:46

just agree with you that the the lows being low did help the highs yeah 100

39:53

yeah pretty pretty memorable on the whole yeah yeah i mean overall the trip was just a lot of fun.

39:59

It was really fun to see people that are so good at street performing do their thing.

40:05

It was a lot of fun hanging out with top magicians, also illusionists,

40:09

just great hosts made us feel very welcome.

40:14

Took us to a little jazz club, which was fun. Filming location was incredible.

40:18

Middle of Covent Garden, beautiful penthouse apartment.

40:22

It was just a very unique experience and definitely not one I ever expected

40:27

to have when we started the business four years ago.

40:31

So for the ups and downs that it was, I definitely would not take it back.

40:36

It's one of those where you feel like your life has been enriched. Yeah.

40:41

It's a walk away thinking, I'll remember that. yeah

40:44

yeah i feel like i'm somehow more yeah like i don't remember much of what happened

40:49

last month but like i know i'll remember this for the rest of my life well and

40:53

i'm sure i'm sure i'm sure plenty of other people will too the various reasons

40:59

they won't be able to get out of their brains.

41:03

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42:07

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42:31

I think one of my favorite things watching other people

42:34

perform those is the James Brown show it calls work

42:37

hard to box yeah you can get that an illusionist seeing that in person was like

42:41

wow yeah that's something that happened quite a lot I want to take too long

42:45

saying this but they made a point to start what if we were filming or trying

42:53

to get a take of something, where it was important to get a take I don't know what I'm saying but if we're

43:00

trying to like do a certain trick film certain trick often they would start

43:03

by doing like a warm-up trick and engage the reaction and then like yeah double

43:08

down or or say like uh maybe it's this group doesn't seem too interested maybe

43:13

they'd rather we all moved on do this with someone else but

43:16

one of the warm-up tricks i guess it was warm-up trick was the ultimate cut

43:20

box by james brown yeah honestly that was yeah so good that was i had not seen

43:26

that in person before and it, blew me away, so that was really good yeah, I also recommend,

43:32

G and Dwayne Williams single-handed.

43:35

Brilliant trick as well, so good to see that in person hear a lot of the nuances that went behind it.

43:41

Yeah, just they're very good working routines that work very well in person

43:45

so, yeah okay, all that being said, we'll see you in the next podcast,

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