This week on the Off-Screen Podcast hosted by Vish Mak (@vishmak90) we are joined by NBC's Derek Togerson (@DerekNBCSD). Derek is based out in San Diego, California and has an extensive career in sports journalism and goes on to discuss what exactly got him into the world of esports. Vish and Derek also breakdown the growing stature of collegiate esports across the United States and what that will mean for fans and players alike who are aspiring to pursue careers in esports. There's even another trip down memory lane as Derek brings up Super Mario, Donkey Kong and Pac-Man.