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Hey, everybody. This is Heidi St. Welcome

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to the Of Bench podcast today.

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I'm excited to have Connor Boyach

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and Daniel Harmon on the show. You guys

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know I am a super fan of the title

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twins and these guys are the dynamic

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duo behind the children's series,

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which takes what could be complicated topics

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like capitalism and the Federal Reserve and

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socialism and basically teach your

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kids the ideas of freedom. This

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is gonna be a fantastic interview. Stick around

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I think you're gonna be encouraged. Well,

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welcome to the show, you guys. I'm gonna jump right

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in because you hear me talking about this

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every day here at the show. That

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the United States and the principles

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that made us the greatest, most freest nation

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on the face of the earth are being attacked every

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single day right here from within

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our own government. And I'm thrilled

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because as a mother of seven, I have

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always been looking for ways to teach

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my children the ideas of freedom. Somebody

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introduced me to the

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work of the tuggle twins several years ago and

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I started reading it. And in fact, I

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was learning, actually, I learned how stupid

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I was when I was reading the tuggle wins books because I

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was reading their books. And finally, I understood

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for the first time the Federal Reserve. I finally

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understood the creature of Jacquelyn Island. I was like,

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oh my word, this makes so much sense. These

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guys are doing such good work for freedom

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and helping you give your kids some broccoli

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for their

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brains. And I'm just thrilled to have a mere

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Connor and Daniel. Welcome to the show. Thanks,

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Heidi. Thank you. So I wanna jump in I'm

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gonna just jump right into the deep end here

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because the the the culture's on fire

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right now. Right? So we're watching what's happening at

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the Grammy's and and people in our, you

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know, in our woke culture right now openly

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worshiping the devil and CBS talking

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about how it's time to worship and all the garbage

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that's happening that's coming out of the entertainment

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industry and and

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the leader of the pack is Disney.

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And I'm wondering, did you guys hear what happened

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with the Proud Boys or Proud Family over the

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weekend?

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I did. I saw that clip circulating on

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Twitter. Daniel, did you happen to catch it?

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I heard about it. No. I haven't caught the clip

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yet and maybe I'm better off for it.

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So this is amazing. I I'm gonna

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I'm gonna make you guys super happy right now and just

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play a little bit of the intro of

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the real history of slavery

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from the proud family. So listen

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to this you

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guys, and then I'm gonna get your comment on This country

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was built on slavery, which means slaves

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built this country. Tailed this land from

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c to c to c. First, it was Brice to back

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on sugarcane. Staying and

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kicking the game game. And we were in soldiers

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for a million strong. Fighting for America's

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freedoms even though we remained America's slave.

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This is country that the freedom

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of slaves can take up to build this

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country and weave in the Senate of slaves that

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America have earned reparations. But there are

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sub and continue to earn reparations.

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Every moment, we spend submers in the systemic

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prejudice, racism, and high sub privacy.

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Can a medical cup with standard women's

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scale? Has never come full? Please,

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build this country now. Alright. That's

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about all I can stomach. Oh, boy. So

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this stuff is being fed to children. Right?

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And when they're talking about reparations

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and the white supremacy in the country,

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a picture of a white, you know, the Kuklaas

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clan and a white Burning Cross is in the

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is in the foreground of that particular

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video. What do you guys think about

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this ideology that's really being

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pushed to kids in so called kids programming?

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Daniel, how is your little capacity to kick

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this one off? Not Connor.

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I'll defer to you. Okay.

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Alright. Sounds good. So III

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wanna be magnanimous before I get up on my

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soapbox. So I I saw this full

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clip a couple days ago. It is

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such garbage. It is reflective

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of the degraded quality of kids'

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media. That's why we partnered with

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Daniel and Angel Studios to

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launch the Turtle twins' cartoon after having

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done the books for a while with Elijah And

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because we were seeing so many parents were

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fed up, but not really knowing other than telling

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their kids not to watch Disney or not to watch

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Nickelodeon, because it's in blues, blues,

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and it's in all of this. Yeah. That,

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you know, parents were struggling to know what they

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could give their kids, not cheesy,

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you know, whatever boring stuff, but like stuff

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they would actually enjoy watching and

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learning from. I I think it's amazing to

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see help razeen and

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open. The people behind these shows

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are being and I mean, it was it was crazy. We

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got attacked and criticized when we launched

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the cartoon. Oh, you're gonna more propaganda

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for kids. And and to that I say,

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absolutely, it is propaganda. Everything

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is propaganda. And if you think that your ideological

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enemies are not also propagandizing your

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kids through media and social media

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and TikTok and all the rest. You're up

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in the night. We need to engage in the

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battle of ideas. We are on an ideological

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a battlefield. It's a war of the mind.

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And if we are not packaging and presenting

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our ideas in compelling

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attractive and persuasive ways,

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then we will lose and we are losing

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and I'm sick of playing defense. I

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wanna go on the offense. That's the

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goal of and the story behind the turtle twins.

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Yeah. And really, our kids I mean,

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this has been happening. This is, you know, the battle

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battle cry of my life All seven

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of our kids are homeschooled, and my grandkids

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are being homeschooled now. Because we saw

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twenty four years ago, there was

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an ideological battle coming

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to the government school system in the United

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States, and the public schools are the front

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line of the culture war. And our kids

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are being taught that reparations are a good thing,

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that capitalism is a bad thing, that socialism

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is a good thing. I saw

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a protester on the streets of Portland, Oregon

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where I live not too far from, And

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they were talking about Mau and praising the

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guy. Instead of saying this guy was a murderer

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and a communist, they're saying I'm gonna run and

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be a leader like Mau and so many

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of these college kids are following Daniel.

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I'm curious to know because you guys

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have been at the front lines of this for

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a long time, and it takes a lot

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to get the attention of a child when you're

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talking about big ideas like

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the Federal Reserve. What

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is your sort of strategy to

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engage children. They're used to quick moving.

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You know, we just took a look at what Disney's

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doing with a proud family. It's very

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quick

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moving, and they're their brainwashing these

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kids. What's your attack with children?

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So the vision for the show has

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always been to have the

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kids how to be entertaining, engaging

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enough and characters that kids

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can relate with in such a way that they choose

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as entertainment over their options

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on Netflix, on Disney plus, on

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YouTube, on TikTok, wherever they're going

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to find it. That's been the goal is that

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at the end of the day, we want them

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to choose toe twins for

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fun and then get really great lessons

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along the way. And so

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far that seems to be happening. We have

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a really high rating on IMDD, the

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Internet movie database. We have a really high rating

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on raw tomato with our audience score.

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People are really resonating with the message,

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and then they get these really

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great little pockets of of truth and principles

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of freedom come along with

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it. I always think of the original

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Spider Man with Toby McGuire. With

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That's right. How do you that's right. guys

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can complete it just like anybody else can. We

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we learned that lesson because it was encapsulated

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in such great story. And

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that's kind of what we're going for with

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this is to have something that kids are just like,

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oh, this is they're singing along with it.

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There there having fun with it. They're wearing

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the t shirts. They they wanna buy the plushies.

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That that's that's what we're going for is building

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AND I THINK PARENTS ARE FRUSTRATED. YOU GUYS

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RIGHTLY HIT THE NALE ON THE HEAD AND IT SEEMS

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TO ME, CONNER, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE CREATED THIS, UNLESS

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YOU WERE ALSO FRUSTRATED parents

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trying to teach our kids basic ideas

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about the founding of our country about capitalism.

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And when they go off to the schools, those ideas

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are undermined. What was the,

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you know, the impetus behind you going,

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you know what? I'm gonna do this and

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it's gonna change the way we talk about economics

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and politics to our kids.

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At the time when we started, this was twenty

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fourteen. We weren't so much responding

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to all the crazy that was happening because

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things got much crazy, you

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know, many years later, especially twenty twenty.

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At the time, Elijah, who is my partner

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and our illustrator of the books, he

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and I were just dads of young kids who

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were passionate about the ideas of freedom and

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we were kinda talking amongst ourselves. How would we

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how do we talk to our kids about this? I run a

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think tank, a nonprofit where we change laws

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all the time called the Barrettos Institute. So

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my day job is fighting for freedom

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and I wanted to tell my kids

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what dad does for work. I didn't wanna say,

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I type on computers or I talk to people.

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I wanted to engage them substantively

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in the ideas, didn't know how to do it, literally

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went on Amazon, searched for, like,

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you know, books that teach about free markets, kids'

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books about property rights and all the rest,

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and came up short. There was nothing at the time.

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So for us, I kind of feel like tuggle twins

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was that you've heard this term when preparation

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meets opportunity. Bauchner: We we were

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prepared in the early years just producing all these

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materials just because we thought it would be a fun,

9:37

good, helpful thing. Twenty

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twenty, the world goes crazy, authoritarianism

9:41

on the rise, everyone's homeschooling for

9:43

at least a couple of weeks. People are freaking

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out. What happened to my country? How do I talk to my

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kids about what's going on? Tunnel twins was

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ready and we exploded. And

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in the whole six years prior to that

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cumulatively, we sold a

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total of about seven hundred and fifty thousand

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books self published little project. We

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were tickled with ourselves. In

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twenty twenty alone, we sold one point

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three million books almost double

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the entire past six years. So

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that's when we really exploded. That's when

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people, parents have been deaths greatly searching

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for information ever since then. And

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so now it transitioned before it was just, hey,

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this is a good thing to teach kids and let's have some

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fun doing it. Now it is like a strategic

10:22

project to get it into the classrooms, to get

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it into the halls as a counter agent,

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to all the nonsense that is being broadcast

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and bombarded into their living rooms

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and dinner tables, we want to make sure that

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the cuddle twins is in there in that conversation to

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be teaching these good ideas. So for us, this is

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massive campaign. Now where before

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it was just this fun little side project, now

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we are all in on leaning

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into this battle because it

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is, as we've said, an awful lot GO WAR

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AND TOO MANY CASILITIES ARE HAPPENING. Reporter:

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ALMOST ALL OF THE CASILITIES ARE CHILDREN.

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SOMEONE SAID TO ME NOT TOO LONG AGO

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Why do you care so much about education? Your

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kids aren't even in the public schools anymore, which

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they're right. They're not. But every single

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one of us needs to be concerned about education.

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And these are tomorrow's teachers, tomorrow's leaders,

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tomorrow's judges, tomorrow's lawmakers

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for going to say tomorrow's doctors, we just

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live through three years of a nightmare watching

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that we can no longer trust the medical institutions.

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What's gonna happen when we when we crank out,

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you know, a hundred thousand socialist doctors

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real went Right? You have to believe in the ideas

11:22

of communism, and then they enter into

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the medical establishments. We're gonna

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be in trouble. Daniel, I gotta ask because

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I've been reading up on you guys. I'm stalking

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you on the interwebs. And one

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of the things I loved about the

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RONA, one of only things I loved about

11:39

living through COVID was watching the commercials

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of the tunnel twins. They would come across

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come across my desk, and I'm share it, you know,

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I'm sharing them with our staff here at

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a friendly planet family with the nonprofit.

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You guys had a genius marketing

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campaign. To get the turtled

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twins attention for parents

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because really that's what you're marketing too. Right? You gotta

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get the attention of the parents. And I noticed

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that you did it in really creative ways. How

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get how did you how did you come up with that

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strategy? It was genius. Well, let me

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just there's been a lot of

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marketing there's a lot

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of ad grades for credit for

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telephony. Do you specify which ones you're talking

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about for me because you might as well

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Well, my the one that comes to my mind is specifically

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our moms in the kitchen, you know, talking to their

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kids -- Mhmm. -- about what's happening

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in the culture. And I was like, bang hits the

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nail on the head, you know, and this mom's like, oh,

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no. And it's like,

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oh, yeah. I it was it was genius. Yeah.

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I'm gonna stroke Daniel's ego a little bit. So

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one of the reasons why we started working

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together a couple years ago. His his brother,

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Jeffrey, is on the the board of our nonprofit

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Daniel and I and his brothers have collaborated

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on various projects over the years with Bitcoin

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and and other things. And so these guys,

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I knew them as a family that love freedom.

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They were reading title trends with their kids.

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Daniel was maybe still

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his chief marketing

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officer and creative officer over at

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Harmen Brothers, which is an ad agency

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that Daniel and his brothers had been doing for

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years, and they had perfected this

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idea of using humor

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and a little bit of satire

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in advertisements for, like,

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deodorant. And, I mean, if you've seen, like, poo

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pouprie and Yeah. Everyone's oh, everyone

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has seen them. Oh, yeah. I know. I read you guys are

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behind him like, oh, things are making so

13:21

much sense to me

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now. Yeah. It's all the all the poop

13:24

jokes. That's where they all come from. So

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so Daniel and his team were over there doing all

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this before the Tuggle twins cartoon. And

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I was learning a lot from them because they

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did marketing so well. So that that particular

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ad that you're referring to was one that we did

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for the books, not that Daniel did

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for the cartoon. And but

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was able to use a lot of kind of the Harmon Brothers

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magic to push those ads. I wanted

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to use humor. I wanted to show moms. Like, here's

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a relatable mom that's struggling with her

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kid turning into a little Marxist, you know, in

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a public school. Maybe you ought to do something

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about that. And and so with Daniel,

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they've been able to replicate the same thing for the

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cartoon where they can take that same marketing

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magic that they've done. When we launched the cartoon,

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we kinda we had something

14:04

similar. It was a teacher that

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was talking about not wanting to teach communism,

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like all the other teachers are teaching and

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you would like, you know, spray bottle the kid who was

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trying to steal the the TV and because

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it's it's our TV. Right? Not my TV,

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not your TV. So a bunch

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of brown hands. A bunch of brown hands. Humor

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is just an effective way to

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deliver a message, to get someone to

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take action, what the Harmon brothers have done

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super well. And certainly, with the Teddle twins

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cartoon, we've been able to replicate that too.

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Howard Bauchner: Amazing. And

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where do you guys see it going from here?

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So you've you've done a really effective

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job, I think, in getting the the attention

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of parents. I love what you said,

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Connor, it's like street of parents, like, wait a second.

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You're how how do I get turned into little Marxist?

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Well, they're turning into little Marxist because that's

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what they're hearing about in their auditorium

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for their school, you know, for all things are coming

14:56

into the schools right now, but you guys have

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your work cut out for you. Because

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I'm imagining that the government school

15:02

system isn't calling you up and

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saying, hey, we really like your ideas. We

15:07

we just got done reading, you know, creature of Jekyll

15:09

Island and we'd like to order eight hundred thousand

15:11

of those to put into the schools. How do

15:13

parents how do parents

15:16

combat this? I had the CEO

15:18

of Kroger University on the show last

15:21

week, and then we were talking

15:23

about just this cancer that

15:25

has metastasized now into

15:28

our elementary schools and into our high

15:30

schools. Where do you guys

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see this going? Well, yeah,

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to I mean, to speak to that to some degree, I think

15:36

parents are finally waking up

15:38

to the fact that they are primarily responsible

15:41

for the education of their kids. Will

15:43

that be the decision to put them in

15:46

the public school system, to put them in private school,

15:48

to home school, and to do some combination of all,

15:51

they it is it is up to them.

15:53

And in the I think it's been a little bit of a default

15:55

thing of just, like, kids reach a stage, just

15:57

send them off to school. It's they're gonna

15:59

be okay, whatever. There's some downside to

16:02

it, but not really worry about it. And then twenty twenty kind

16:04

of woke him up to a little bit of what

16:06

was going on because now the video feeds

16:08

from the classroom are coming directly into the house.

16:11

Parents are finally seeing what curriculum

16:13

is being taught with attitudes of some of the teachers

16:15

towards these types of ideas.

16:18

And they're all of a sudden saying, wait a minute, this stuff is being

16:20

taught by kids, does not align with my own values.

16:23

And I think that's why you're

16:25

seeing so much of the success with

16:28

the sales of the book series, and now with

16:30

the TV show is that parents

16:32

are like, okay, I have to do something about this. I can't

16:34

wait around for things to change. In

16:37

my my public school here nearby

16:39

or on a national level or state level whatever

16:41

it is. I've just got to do something about this

16:43

with my own kids and that's why we're seeing so

16:46

much in the way of sales and so much hunker

16:48

for this type of material just

16:50

to be they're just for tools

16:53

to be able to teach the things that they already believe

16:55

in. And in some cases, it now helps

16:57

them articulate and

16:59

and and identify the things they believe in

17:01

in a way that they never have. Oh, well,

17:03

this this is why I believe the way I did, well, this

17:05

is where inflation's coming from. It's like you said,

17:07

there's these conversations that are happening to run the dinner

17:09

table are huge for for parents

17:12

and kids

17:12

both. And, yeah,

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that's that's kind of my thoughts

17:17

on it there. I I got something

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briefly to add to that. When we started the Tuttle

17:21

Trim's books, we thought we were producing

17:23

Children's books. What we've

17:25

since learned and realized is that

17:27

what we've been producing is family resources.

17:30

Because like you, Heidi, so many

17:32

parents reach out to us and said, oh my gosh,

17:34

I never learned this in school. Wow, I'm

17:36

learning things for the first time. So what we realized

17:39

is that we were reaching not only

17:41

the rising generation, but their parents as well.

17:43

If you were to take that average mom or dad

17:45

and stop them on the street and say,

17:47

hey, here's this book economics

17:50

in one lesson by Henry Haslet or

17:52

the road to serve them by Hayek or any of these

17:54

like classic free market liberty

17:56

books. Right? Chances are, like, what

17:58

sub one percent of them would actually

18:00

read this dense, you know, non fiction

18:02

book written decades ago. But when we say,

18:04

hey, do you want your kids to learn about entrepreneurship

18:06

or about money or about the golden rule

18:08

or about how the world works? Well, every

18:11

good parent for the postpartum is gonna

18:13

say, yes, please. And now

18:15

because their barrier, their their defenses

18:17

have come down and we've lowered the

18:19

barrier of entry for this information, we're

18:22

educating the parents too. That to me

18:24

has been our critical problem for

18:26

the freedom movement so called however you

18:28

wanna define that conservative, libertarian, and

18:30

all the rest. We have consistently waited

18:33

until people become of voting

18:35

age adults before we reach out to

18:37

them and talk to them about our ideas, which

18:39

means that our ideological opponents have

18:41

them captured in these institutions for the

18:43

first two decades, which is why we're

18:46

forever playing defense. I'm

18:48

tired of that. I don't wanna do that anymore. I wanna

18:50

empower parents to have conversations around

18:52

the dinner table about these ideas that matter,

18:55

but too many of them feel ill equipped to

18:57

do it because they themselves are graduates of

18:59

the public pool system, as I like to call it,

19:01

And and so they don't feel confident in

19:03

talking about free market economics with their

19:05

kids or talking about that cartoon we

19:07

just saw and heard and, you know,

19:09

what reparations is and why, you know, it's so

19:12

awful. The parents are not able to competently

19:14

engage with their kids about these ideas. Therefore,

19:17

they don't. And so then those

19:19

kids hear it on TikTok or, you know,

19:21

from a friend or whatever, and they're, like,

19:23

embodied with they're they're just drinking

19:25

up this information because the parents are not there

19:27

Patisham, every religious parent

19:29

thinks, like, obviously, they

19:32

should take the kid to Sunday school or do bible

19:34

study or whatever. We all as religious

19:36

parents Those of us, we think

19:38

about transmitting our religious faith and

19:40

our ideas and our knowledge and beliefs to

19:43

our children. We should be doing the same

19:45

thing when it comes to our political and our

19:47

economic values and understanding too

19:49

few parents do, what the tunnel twins

19:52

does, both the books and the cartoon, is it

19:54

facilitates for those parents an easier

19:56

opportunity to learn for

19:57

themselves, but then also to have discussion as

19:59

family together. Man, so good. What

20:01

do you say? Here's here's a sticky wicket

20:03

for you. What do you say to the to the parent

20:06

who goes listen? I need to teach my kids

20:08

about politics because it's so far, you know,

20:10

it's so far above my pay grade

20:12

or I don't understand. I mean, you guys heard me say a few

20:15

minutes ago that I was struggling to

20:17

understand the history of the Federal Reserve.

20:19

And I got, you know, I got some some pretty

20:21

headty books on it and sit there reading in about

20:23

fifteen minutes in just like, listen, I don't have time

20:25

for this garbage. And then I realized that you

20:27

guys had written on I do think you're right. I

20:29

think that you're educating parents who

20:31

then can educate their children. But

20:34

what do you say to the parent who

20:36

listening to this right now who still is like, oh, I just

20:38

don't know how important that

20:40

is for the next generation

20:43

because my thought's always been I don't care if you're

20:45

not you're not interested in

20:46

politics. Politics is interested in you.

20:48

Daniel, maybe let me take this briefly

20:50

and then throw it to you because I'm gonna have to drop off here

20:52

in just a second. We used

20:54

to hear that far more than we do now.

20:56

Post twenty twenty, we don't really hear that

20:59

anymore. To Daniel's earlier

21:01

point, I think parents are I

21:03

hate to say they woke up because the word woke

21:05

in my mind is just now destroyed. They

21:07

ruined it. Yeah. They have a weakened. They

21:09

have opened their eyes. Right? They have taken

21:11

the red pill. And so we have far

21:13

less of that now. I think that is the silver

21:15

lining of COVID. We've seen across the country

21:18

homeschooling triple. We've seen parents

21:20

engage way more. I think the toothpaste

21:22

is out of the tube, and and

21:24

that's a good thing in a lot of ways. We can despite

21:27

all the horrible things that we had to go through, the nightmares

21:29

you say that we lived past three years, I

21:32

think we can actually see opportunities

21:35

here, including with parents who are

21:37

hungry for opportunities for their kids, who

21:39

recognize the problem. Now it's up to

21:41

us to wave our hands and say, hey, we have a solution.

21:44

Right? That's where the clever fun ads

21:46

come in. Trying to kind of tell people about

21:48

the solution, but that the word is out on the street

21:50

that there are

21:50

problems. That much is is certain.

21:53

I agree. Before, I know you got a jumper,

21:55

like, Connor, you've got a history, but about the about

21:57

America. What's the name of it?

21:59

Yeah. So total twins dot com

22:01

slash history is where you can find this.

22:04

It's called America's history. All

22:06

the other books we reviewed out there being

22:08

used in the classrooms, the social studies

22:10

books, and everything else, they all teach

22:12

what happened. They all are chucked full

22:14

of, you know, this soldier went here and they fought at this

22:16

regiment and the clouds were cumulone

22:18

nimbus that day and they ate hard tack

22:21

and all these random factories at history.

22:23

Are interesting if you're ever gonna be on jeopardy

22:25

or something. But we learn from the

22:27

past so that we don't repeat And that

22:29

means if we wanna learn history, we have to learn

22:31

the ideas the values, the

22:33

philosophies, the concepts, the

22:35

idea, that is all absent from these

22:37

social studies books. Kids today are not being

22:40

taught to learn from the past They are

22:42

simply being taught about the

22:44

past. Our Tuttleton's book, it's two hundred

22:46

and forty pages, America's history,

22:48

it's all story based, it's one big as

22:51

a series of stories. So we talk

22:53

about early American history, but more

22:55

importantly, in addition to talking about what's

22:57

going on in the various events, which obviously

22:59

have to do in history, but we are talking

23:01

about the ideas that they were debating, the

23:04

values they had, the tension of

23:06

power, and what that means today, what

23:08

it looks like today so that we can learn from history

23:10

and apply it to our world today. So

23:12

that's St dot com slash history.

23:15

It's an awesome book that I'd encourage

23:17

everyone to

23:17

get. Awesome.

23:18

Hey, Connor. I know you gotta jump. Thank you for coming. I

23:20

appreciate it. Thank

23:21

you, Heidi. Talk to you soon. Well,

23:24

hope you guys have been enjoying this interview

23:26

with the creators and producers of the

23:28

title twins. We're gonna come back tomorrow

23:30

and talk more about the ideas of

23:32

freedom. And if you want your kids to understand

23:35

more about the free market and

23:37

how it works, I'm telling you what, the title trend

23:39

is gonna make them smarter than most of

23:41

our members of Congress, the Title Twin

23:43

Series should be part of your library, particularly

23:46

if you're a homeschooling. But if you've got kids

23:48

at all, I hope you guys will check it out. Thanks

23:50

for listening today everybody, and I will see you back

23:52

here again tomorrow at the intersection of

23:54

faith and culture.