0:00

Courtney Allen was a kindergarten teacher in 2014, and

0:02

in 2021 she was fired because she

0:07

wouldn't take the vaccine or test

0:09

weekly, or maybe it was

0:11

because she was exposing the

0:14

agenda that her young children

0:16

were being exposed to in

0:18

her school. Courtney joins me

0:20

today to talk about her story, and

0:22

unfortunately, her story is not unique. Sadly,

0:25

this is happening to great teachers all

0:27

around the United States who are tired

0:30

of the brainwashing that's happening in our

0:32

school system, and they're trying to expose

0:34

it to parents and other students. Courtney

0:37

joins me today to talk about her story.

0:39

This is the Heidi St. John Podcast. Stick

0:41

around. I think you're

0:43

going to be encouraged. Courtney,

0:51

welcome to the Heidi St. John Podcast. I'm

0:53

glad you're here. Thank you so

0:55

much for having me. It's an honor and

0:57

a pleasure to join you and your audience

0:59

tonight. Well, I'm really

1:02

glad that you stuck with it because we've had

1:04

a heck of a hard time getting your video

1:06

and audio to work, so now you've been relegated

1:08

to your phone, so thanks for

1:10

sticking in there with me. I want to

1:12

get right to this because I don't think that your

1:15

story is unique. I

1:17

met you because of my new book

1:19

through Brave, and you had me on

1:21

your podcast to talk about why I

1:23

started working with Brave and my passion

1:25

really for seeing children

1:28

flourish. I think that is the heart

1:30

of any decent human being is to

1:32

see children be innocent, children

1:34

be able to enjoy a good

1:36

childhood and to grow into adulthood healthy

1:38

and whole. It's a whole lot easier

1:41

to raise a healthy child than fix

1:43

a broken adult. Would you agree? Oh

1:46

my gosh, absolutely. I couldn't

1:48

have even fredded better myself. You

1:51

have a passion for teaching children. Tell

1:53

my audience a little bit about yourself

1:55

and how you got into teaching. Yeah,

1:58

sure. Growing up,

2:01

we moved a lot. But, you know,

2:03

one thing that kind of made everything

2:05

okay were the teachers that

2:08

were always so welcoming and, you know,

2:10

being new no matter where I went

2:12

was scary. I wasn't friends

2:14

with, you know, all the popular kids or

2:17

didn't know anybody, but the teachers seemed to

2:19

make it better. So that

2:22

started like my want

2:24

for teaching. I

2:27

graduated from the University

2:30

of Cincinnati with a degree in

2:32

early childhood education and then was

2:34

hired a couple years after

2:36

as a private pre-K and kindergarten teacher.

2:40

I loved, absolutely loved my job.

2:42

I loved all of the children

2:44

that I had in my classroom. You

2:47

know, everything was going great.

2:50

I couldn't have asked for a better job, a better,

2:52

you know, just being

2:54

around all these kids all the

2:56

time and watching them in their

2:59

aha moments, watching them grasp something

3:01

was like it

3:03

just gave me a pure joy and made

3:05

my heart so happy. And then

3:08

after COVID happened, we

3:12

were shut down for four months.

3:14

We opened back up

3:17

slowly. And I remember,

3:19

you know,

3:21

walking in to work

3:23

one day and we had curriculum

3:26

folders that were handed to us.

3:28

And then that's whenever I got

3:30

the surprise of my life whenever

3:32

I opened up that curriculum folder

3:34

to see what was

3:36

being pushed as part of the

3:39

diversity, equity and inclusion curriculum for

3:41

the month of June. And

3:44

these are, I just want to be really

3:46

clear so that my audience understands we're talking

3:48

about five-year-olds here, right? We're not talking about

3:51

junior high students, you know, not that it

3:53

would be appropriate in junior high either, but

3:55

we're not talking about kids who have maybe

3:57

even been exposed to any kind of sexual.

4:00

ideology or sexual identities or gender or any

4:02

of that other stuff, right? These are little

4:04

ones. Absolutely. Yeah.

4:06

It was pre-K and

4:09

kindergarten. So four

4:11

to, let's say, six, being

4:13

generous, four to six years

4:15

old. But they did have

4:17

curriculum, you know, that was

4:20

implemented with what they said

4:22

age appropriate for our toddler

4:24

classrooms and our preschoolers. So

4:27

what would that look like? So walk

4:29

me through that. So age appropriate sexual

4:31

indoctrination for a three-year-old.

4:33

What does that look like? Right. It's kind

4:35

of, kind of even ironic to put any

4:38

of those words together in the same sentence

4:40

and then call it age appropriate because

4:42

these children, they can't even tie their

4:45

shoe and you want to talk to

4:47

them about what it means to be

4:49

transgender or bisexual. That's absurd to me.

4:52

One of the activities that they had in

4:55

those classrooms was to color a flag, a

4:58

pride flag, to hang outside your door

5:00

to let your community know that you

5:02

are an ally with the LGBT community.

5:05

Wow. To a three-year-old. Right.

5:09

So here you go. Color this flag.

5:11

So interesting. You know, the more

5:13

I understand about this radical

5:15

sexual ideology, the angrier

5:18

it makes me. I was listening to

5:20

Candace Owens talking about Sigmund Freud the

5:22

other day and she was letting everybody

5:24

know, hey, in case you

5:26

all didn't know this, Sigmund Freud's best friend was

5:28

a pedophile. I mean, these are people that believe

5:30

that children are sexual from birth and

5:33

that children should have sexual freedom and

5:35

sexual rights from birth. And you saw

5:37

this, right, this agenda being

5:39

pushed to the little ones in your school.

5:41

And how did that, you know, as a teacher

5:44

who wants to protect the innocence of kids, how does that

5:46

make you feel? What was your, were you just like, shoot,

5:49

you know, what am I going to do? Did you feel

5:51

like, I need to fight this? I need to expose it?

5:53

What was your reaction? You

5:55

know, at first I was kind of in disbelief

5:57

because not only. Is

6:00

it the curriculum but it's like like you

6:02

said the push Agenda on it and you

6:05

know the my first thought as a teacher.

6:07

I'm supposed to teach children How

6:09

to think not what to think and

6:11

especially not you know, I'm not supposed

6:13

to talk about something This

6:16

controversial with somebody else's child.

6:18

No and The

6:22

kicker is and none of the parents knew They

6:26

forgot to send out the newsletter

6:28

that month No,

6:30

that's convenient, right They

6:33

received a lot of backlash after the

6:35

curriculum was starting to be exposed But

6:37

I was the only one in my entire Building

6:41

location that stood up against that and that

6:43

kind of it made

6:45

me really sad that like maybe these

6:47

teachers Aren't in it

6:49

for the right reasons or they don't

6:51

understand the importance of their job. But

6:53

of the 12 Grown

6:57

adults that were there being the only the

6:59

only one to stand up against it, you

7:01

know, I kind of felt isolated that

7:04

nobody Wanted to

7:06

stand with me and fight against it. Now. Why

7:08

do you think that is so I I guess

7:10

I I Have

7:12

a hard time Understanding why

7:15

on the one level and on the other hand

7:17

I can see these teachers also came out of

7:19

this broken Woke system that's

7:21

teaching them that they have to talk about this

7:23

stuff with little kids Are you getting where the

7:25

other teachers like now we think it's fine We

7:28

learned how to you know, this is part of

7:30

or do you think they were afraid?

7:33

You know, I think it's a little bit of

7:35

both. I think that they didn't want to step

7:37

on the feet of superiors

7:40

they didn't want to like be in

7:42

the way of Whatever

7:45

flowing smoothly they didn't want to you

7:47

know, put their name out there Right,

7:50

you know kind of squaring up against

7:53

What they were being told to do

7:56

which that might be okay

7:58

with some people but I'm not

8:00

going to do something because somebody tells me

8:02

to do it if it's completely wrong and

8:04

goes against my morals and values. And

8:07

I had emailed our district manager

8:09

and told her all of that. And

8:12

she came in, we had a meeting one on

8:14

one, and that's whenever she told me that they've

8:17

received a lot of backlash. But

8:19

by that time, I had already been on

8:21

a couple other shows exposing the curriculum, traveled

8:24

around Ohio, you know, saying this is what's

8:27

going on, not only in public schools, but

8:29

in daycares. Like, you can't trust your children

8:31

with the people

8:33

that, you know, you leave them with every day.

8:35

That's really scary. Yeah,

8:38

it is really scary. And

8:41

the National Educators Association absolutely has its

8:43

fingers in the preschool business. So people

8:45

are like, oh, they don't care. You

8:47

know, they only work in the public

8:49

schools. No, they're working in privately owned

8:51

preschools. And a lot of these privately

8:53

owned kindergartens that we see, you know,

8:55

these standalone kindergarten learners that I see

8:58

all over, I mean, they're all over

9:00

the place out here in the Pacific

9:02

Northwest. And your point

9:04

was, these are not safe

9:06

places for children. Parents are

9:09

not being told what their children are being

9:11

taught, right? Right. And

9:14

you know, that's just like the very

9:16

top of it. If they're not telling you

9:18

about diversity, equity and

9:20

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9:23

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9:25

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10:00

I had a guest on my show

10:02

a couple weeks ago and she Katie

10:04

Faust and she said something to me

10:07

that just absolutely rocked my world. Like

10:09

I knew this stuff intrinsically, but to

10:11

hear it that way Really

10:14

helped put things into mind. She said

10:16

that she could name almost every single

10:19

social and Judicial

10:21

issue that's before our courts right now

10:23

and they are all aimed at injuring

10:25

children Abortion obviously injures

10:27

it injures a mother too, but

10:30

it but it's aimed at killing

10:32

a child, right? So right abortion

10:34

is injuring and killing children the

10:36

fentanyl crisis injuring and killing our

10:38

children Transgenderism injuring

10:40

and killing our children the lgbtq

10:44

agendas injuring and killing our children

10:46

Dei Injuring our

10:48

children the fact that we're

10:50

having children sex trafficked at the southern border Also,

10:53

the border issue is a child issue.

10:55

These are child issues and you're at

10:58

the front lines of this How

11:00

hard was it for you at that point then to?

11:03

Continue in your line of work or were you just

11:05

like once they fired you when they when they came

11:08

to you and they said Okay,

11:10

Courtney, you're I'm assuming they

11:12

didn't have any trouble with your teaching. They

11:14

just know my politics Right,

11:17

and I was one of the few that

11:20

had an actual You

11:22

know education background and degree You

11:24

know qualified to teach all of these others

11:26

and I think it goes back on like

11:29

what you had said before they had just

11:31

come Out of high school or you know

11:33

a few years out. So they're kind of

11:35

already in that mindset You

11:37

know once you go through and

11:39

I'm sure it's different now the

11:42

college level training now is probably

11:44

incorporated this in their curriculum, you

11:46

know for adults by now, but At

11:49

first I was really angry I

11:52

bet and I wanted to quit I

11:54

Talked to my husband and my father-in-law

11:56

who's the pastor like, you know, this

11:58

is my. There. May

12:01

calling a love teaching a major. This

12:03

is what I love to do that.

12:05

a chance to enable kids as bad

12:07

then us in on the other hand,

12:09

a side as I am he is. Then

12:11

whoever they get to replace me is

12:13

going to come in and he said

12:15

an ideal anything. So I was kind

12:17

of fighting with myself. You know it's.

12:20

Not doing as bad if I miss the

12:22

only one standing up against and and I

12:24

leave and his in the be the voice

12:26

and his gonna stand. Up for all

12:28

of the kids to com. Now.

12:32

It's a pretty it's it's it's a

12:34

very, it's huge and heavy burden right

12:36

now that teachers across the country and

12:38

around the world frankly are being asked

12:40

to carry because there is so much

12:42

intimidation. I talked to teachers all the

12:44

time, him out on the road. you

12:46

know, interviewing and talking to educators and

12:49

I'm hearing all kinds of stories you

12:51

know I have. It's a friend of

12:53

mine who's a teacher and she said

12:55

that are not allowed to discipline the

12:57

children anymore. It's a one disruptive child

12:59

can ruin an entire classroom experience for

13:01

the entire. Day and sometimes the railing a

13:03

weeks at a time. To that our hands

13:05

are just tied and and we have to

13:07

make these decisions. Do we leave the schools?

13:09

And now we've got now. There are no

13:11

decent teachers left in the schools that won't

13:13

push this middle broken sick agenda. Or do

13:15

we do We try to go someplace where

13:17

we can. Help. You really ends up

13:20

not having a choice, right? Because they fired you.

13:22

Play. The that you know as and

13:24

solely on. whenever.

13:27

They. Started A to z a

13:29

weekly testing mandates by companies with

13:31

over one hundred employees. Then they

13:34

at me that has seen the

13:36

way into your home. Testing correct

13:38

yes they made weekly It has

13:41

seen that mandatory for and vaccinated

13:43

teachers so I I would be

13:45

also the only and vaccinated at

13:47

person in my building. Simpli.

13:50

things go together it's weird re yes raids

13:52

weird right he you know you you don't

13:55

want to enter children not in favor of

13:57

the lgbtq agenda would never Tell a child

13:59

who was a boy that he was a

14:01

girl and you're likely not to get the

14:04

vaccine and you're very likely then obviously not

14:06

to be not to be boosted these things

14:08

went hand in hand it feels like discrimination

14:10

to me. Oh yeah,

14:12

workplace discrimination that was one of the topics

14:15

of an email that I sent to the

14:17

head of our company, you know, back and

14:19

forth, and it ended up

14:21

getting me nowhere. They did fire

14:24

me for not testing

14:26

weekly. Or that's what they said.

14:28

I think like you said in the beginning, it kind of

14:30

had to do with more

14:32

of the curriculum that I was sharing

14:34

with parents who had no idea what

14:36

was going on behind closed doors. But

14:40

after they fired me that school stayed open

14:42

for about eight weeks afterwards and then they

14:44

had to close. Wow.

14:47

Wow. And did parents contact you

14:49

after that where the parents like hey, where

14:52

are you going or did

14:54

that happen? Yeah, actually,

14:56

they will first they were really upset

14:58

that they would fire me because

15:01

of the testing or you know,

15:03

medical choices. And then they asked

15:05

if I was homeschooling because I

15:08

had mentioned that, you

15:10

know, whenever we had first shut down

15:12

that I would do just homeschooling. I

15:14

have the K-12 curriculum from Hillsdale, you

15:17

know, I'm very much qualified to do

15:19

so. Hillsdale, let's go. Yeah,

15:21

I love Hillsdale. But

15:25

yeah, I got messages from a lot of the different

15:27

parents and whenever I told them, you know,

15:30

that's why they were angry. I

15:32

had a few of them send,

15:34

you know, emails to my director,

15:36

my district manager, you know,

15:39

our HR person. And,

15:42

you know, I feel like I stood

15:44

up for what was right. So I'm

15:46

okay with them being,

15:48

you know, they fired me. I'm

15:50

okay with that because God had

15:52

a bigger plan. And now I get

15:55

to do, you know, the Patriot pre-K

15:57

and bring actual age appropriate

15:59

curriculum. and provide

16:01

the kids and the listeners with stories

16:03

that are filled with morals and values

16:05

that I could stand by and that

16:07

I would support or that I would

16:10

read my own kids. So it's okay.

16:12

Yeah, I love that. Tell us a little

16:14

bit about what you did because the reason that

16:17

you're, so you're my off the bench segment today

16:19

and my podcast of course, Off the Bench with

16:21

Heidi St. John. I love hearing

16:23

about people who don't give up

16:26

and they look around and they go, okay,

16:29

there's a problem here and a problem here. We

16:31

could all articulate the problem, but there's not a

16:33

lot of people who articulate a solution. You

16:35

not only found a problem, you found a solution. Tell us a little

16:37

bit about what you did. So

16:40

I created a platform, it's

16:42

called Patriot Pre-K. It's

16:44

still in the works, but gaining

16:47

momentum on YouTube,

16:50

on Facebook, and on

16:52

Instagram, just having different platforms that parents

16:54

can reference that they can go and

16:57

look for a fun activity or

17:00

a fun story. And on

17:03

the Facebook pages, I put in the

17:05

developmental standards

17:08

that are met with each activity.

17:11

So your kid, yeah, they might be

17:13

building whatever with

17:15

Legos or with different materials,

17:18

but they're learning one-to-one

17:20

correlation. They're learning vocabulary.

17:23

All of these different standards are

17:25

met. So I kind of

17:27

share that with parents. Just

17:30

to provide something that is a

17:32

little bit extra, that's not woke

17:34

at all. Never

17:37

do anything woke. We say the Pledge

17:39

of Allegiance. At the

17:41

beginning of every class, we end

17:43

in a prayer. Just

17:46

something that I would like my kids

17:49

to have had at a young age.

17:51

If I had found out an LGB

17:53

curriculum was being pushed in their

17:55

classroom. Where do you see... The

18:00

we've gotta just a couple minutes left in the segment.

18:02

but where do you see? This.

18:04

Fight going! In terms of.

18:07

Education: Do you think it's salvageable or do you

18:09

think know? we're going to have to start make

18:11

an alternative lanes for education? Am

18:14

I think that as long as

18:16

parents keep their kids in the

18:18

public schools, that's what's happening. But

18:20

I also have read statistic for

18:22

their more home schooled students today

18:24

and there have been in the

18:26

past. Parents are taking it into

18:28

their own hands and pulling their

18:30

kids out of these indoctrination camps

18:32

and you know, providing at home

18:34

of. Education. In

18:36

curriculum with life skills and that you

18:39

know things that. Are. It's

18:41

what the system once to the

18:43

you know integrated on our children.

18:46

Yeah. And I I so

18:48

appreciate what you're doing. If people wanted

18:50

to find out what you're doing and

18:52

support you, where would they go? Out

18:55

while I have my own podcast.

18:57

Compatriots Strong as an Ira radio

19:00

spot if a bit Susan rumble

19:02

or you can find Patriot pre k

19:04

it's an on you tube it or

19:06

on Cspan is and says Patriot

19:08

pretty. With Miss Courtney. I.

19:10

Love it! I love it Kearney Allah is

19:12

such a delight to have you here and

19:14

I wish the best for you. I'm just

19:17

a every time I hear and I'm and

19:19

honestly I mean I get a lot of

19:21

stories and to the podcast now just people

19:23

who are like I'm doing this. I'm running

19:25

for for school, border City council or I

19:27

started my own home schooler. I pulled my

19:29

kids out. I am encouraged because it tells

19:31

me that people are waking up to what's

19:33

going on around them. It and they are

19:35

not. Ah, Afraid anymore to take

19:37

their children out of the schools. So thanks for

19:40

what you're doing and keep me posted. Let's talk

19:42

again. Absolutely. Thank you

19:44

so much for having me everybody my

19:46

clothing words. Gen Flynn always says that

19:48

local acts and makes a national and

19:50

tax and if you want to see

19:52

it seemed as to say with years.

19:54

So as there's not anything like this

19:56

in your community be the one to

19:59

started be that. to use

20:01

your voice for positivity and it'll get

20:03

you far. I love it. Courtney

20:05

Allen, thank you for coming on the show today. I

20:07

appreciate it. Thank you so much for having me.

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Welcome back to the show. I've got

20:44

a question today from Cindy in Missouri

20:46

and it was heartbreaking

20:48

to me. I get these questions, similar questions, quite a bit

20:50

at the show, but I want to read it to you.

20:52

She says, Dear Heidi, I've been listening to you for about

20:54

two years and have even gotten

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some friends listening in on your podcast now.

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Thank you Cindy, I appreciate that. I

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recently had something happen, it's been heavy on my

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heart and my mind. My nephew came out as

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homosexual years ago and on Christmas Day, 2023, got

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engaged to a same-sex partner. My

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family, who have always been good Christian

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and God-fearing people, celebrated this engagement with

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open arms and joy. I was taken

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back by their reaction. With

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the wedding coming up late summer, it's mostly

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all they talk about at family events. I

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prayed heavily about this and even went to

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my pastor asking if I should participate in

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the wedding. My pastor told

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me that even though I may not agree with that, showing

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love to my nephew is the right thing to do and

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that going wouldn't be wrong in God's eyes. After

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praying and asking for answers, I recently had a calming

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over my heavy heart and now I

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see the joy in my nephew and

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his partner that they have for one another and

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the joy and togetherness that this wedding is bringing

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to my family and my wrong to feel this

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way. Is my family wrong for

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celebrating this and how can I talk to them

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without offending them? So

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first of all Cindy, thank you for writing in. These

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are... difficult questions and

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they require compassion, they require

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courage, they also require that

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we come at them from

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a position of truth. And as I'm

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listening to your story and hearing your

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heart, I can tell you right now

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that the fact that

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you love your family and you love your nephew

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is evident and

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it's honorable. And that's what God would have

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you do because we are called to love.

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We are called to be

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the hands and feet of Christ in a

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world that desperately needs to see that they

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are loved. We are called to be people

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that tell the truth. We are called to

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be the hands and feet of Jesus. And

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we want to come at these situations from

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a position of compassion,

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right? Because every human being is made in

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the image of God and God loves every

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human being. For God to love the world

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that He gave His only begotten Son that

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whoever believes in Him would not perish but

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have everlasting life, right? So we know that

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God's heart is for people. Having

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said that, the thing that I want to

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focus on from your question is simply this.

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Your family says that

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they're Christians. The

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family of this young man who is

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living in a homosexual relationship and now

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declaring that he's going to marry a

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man is also saying that

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he is living in a

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Christian family. And this is where

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I am the most grieved by what I'm

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hearing from you. I want to read from

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Ephesians 5 for just

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a moment. It says, you are God's children

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whom He loves, which we just talked about

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this, right? So try to

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be like Him. Live a

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life of love just as Christ loved

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us and gave Himself for us a

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sweet-smelling offering and sacrifice to God. But

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there must be no sexual sin

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among you or any kind

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of evil or greed. Those are

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not right for God's holy people. There

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must be no evil talk among you and you

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must not speak foolishly or tell evil jokes. These

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are not right for you. Instead,

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you should be giving thanks to God. You can

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be sure of this. No

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one will have a place in the kingdom of God

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who sins sexually or does evil

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things or is

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greedy. Anyone who

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is greedy is serving a false God. Don't

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let anyone fool you by telling you things that

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are not true because these things will bring God's

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anger on those who do not obey Him. So

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have nothing to do with them. In

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the past, you were full of darkness, but now

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you are full of light in the Lord.

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So live as children that belong

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to the light. Light

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brings every kind of goodness, right living

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and truth. Try

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to learn what pleases the Lord. Have

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nothing to do with the things done

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in darkness, which are not worth anything,

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but show that they

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are wrong. It is shameful

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to even talk about what these people

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do in secret, but the light

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makes all things easy to see and

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everything that is made easy to see can

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become light. This

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is why it is said, wake

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up, oh sleeper, rise from death

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and Christ will shine on

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you. So there

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are several ways obviously that we can

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approach this, but the main thing is

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to acknowledge one thing is true. Homosexuality

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is not just a sin before the

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Lord. God calls it an abomination all

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throughout scripture. And you could say, well, that's only

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in the Old Testament. No, it's also in the

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New Testament. It's also in the book of Romans.

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It's also in 1 Corinthians, 1 Corinthians 6, starting

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in verse 9 says,

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or do not know that the unrighteous will

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not inherit the kingdom of God. It will

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not be deceived neither the sexually immoral nor

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idolaters nor adulterers or men who practice homosexuality

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nor thieves or the greedy or drunkards or revivals. of

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swindlers will inherit the kingdom of

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God. As such were some of you, but you

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were washed and sanctified, justified in the name

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of the Lord and in the spirit of

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God." Romans 1, 26 and 27, for

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this reason God gave them up

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to dishonorable passions for their women

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exchanged natural relations with those who

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are contrary to nature. And

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the men likewise gave up natural relations with

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women and were consumed with passion for

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one another, committing shameless acts with

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men and receiving in themselves the

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due penalty for their

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error. I

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could go on and on. First

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Timothy chapter 1 verse 10, the

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sexually immoral men who practice homosexuality,

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enslavers, liars, perjurers and whatever

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else is contrary to sound

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doctrine. I want to, I

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know this is painful. And

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so I'm not here to say, wow,

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you know, obviously this is what you

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should do. I believe that you

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are struggling mostly because of love, right?

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You love your nephew and you love

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your family and these things are good.

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But to enter into a

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celebration of what God says

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surely will bring suffering and

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surely will bring with the death. I mean, you say,

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but the wedding is drawing your family together. And I

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want to remind you that Satan came to Eve in

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the Garden of Eden as an angel of light. He

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came to her. She wasn't afraid, right?

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Satan disguised himself as an angel of

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light. He has twisted

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so much of what's happened in

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the culture today. And of course, you know, we want

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to say, well, we love each other. And so this

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is where the lie comes in, right? Love is love.

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And a beautiful lie is still a lie. And

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what's happening with your nephew and I, and I'm

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not trying to be a jerk, but I hope

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you'll hear my heart. I think it is a

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devastating thing to go and support someone. Did you

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go watch your nephew shoot up heroin just because

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it made him happy? If

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He said to you, I'm in a really

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committed polyamorous relationship and these three other people

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are making me really happy. Going to get

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married? Would you go? When do you? Where do you draw

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the line? And. I

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guess I would encourage you to draw

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the line where God draws it. He.

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Doesn't mean that you have to be

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ugly. It doesn't mean that you have

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to be inclined at But I I

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was. I don't I just

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going and supporting someone in something

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that God says is wrong. particularly

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when these people claim to know

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Jesus is. A.

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It's. A hard it must be a her

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for the lord to watch his children

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say well. I love my family more

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than you. I. Want my nephew

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to be happy more than I want him

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to be wholly. At the end of the

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day, the bible says that there's a way

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that leads to life and the road is

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narrow and few people find it. And

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we have to stand for what.

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Is. Right and. It's

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not hard to figure out how God

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feels about homosexuality. He calls it a

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sin and his word several times. This

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is not. This is not ambiguous. This

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is not up for debate. God is

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very clear about it, and I also

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want to be clear. There are lots

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and lots of things that Christians do

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that dishonor the Lord. So. We're

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not saying that that there are Christians that

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are not singing and that's that's not what

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I'm trying to say. What I am trying

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to say is I sure hope we'll start celebrating

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those things anytime soon. And. That's

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what a wedding inherently is. And speaking of

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weddings, I will remind you what you

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already know. God

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defined marriage as between

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one man. And one

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woman. And no matter what a Burger

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Fell Says or any other Supreme Court

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decision, no matter what, the Woke Progressive

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Church will try to shut down your

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throat. This is not marriage in the

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sight of God. It. Is

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a sinful relationship. That

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should. Never. Ever.

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Be. Called Marriage. and

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so i would just encourage you i

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know your heart is break in and

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frankly my heart hurts for you Cindy

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because these are terrible things. But

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just because there are lots of sinful

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situations that bring a temporary joy to

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people. All you

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got to do is think about the guy who has an affair the

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first time he sleeps with that woman who's not his wife, do you

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think that he didn't enjoy that? No, he enjoyed it or he wouldn't

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have done it. There are lots of things

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that we do. The nature of sin often is that it

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drags us into something that for a

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moment feels good. But

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when it lives out its life, it ends

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up being anything but good and this is

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wrong. And

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so if it were me, I would

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be telling my nephew, I love you. I

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cannot support you doing something that God says

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ultimately will hurt you and this will hurt

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you. This is wrong before the

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Lord. It's

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wrong to enter into a marriage that

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God says isn't marriage at all and

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it's based on sin. So I cannot

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celebrate something that God says is sin. And

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so I know this is hard for you to

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hear, honey, I am sorry and my heart hurts

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for you. I get letters like this all the

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time and the pain is palpable. But

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God loves your nephew and

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my prayer is that your nephew sees how

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loved he is, that he was made in

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the image of creator God and

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that God has designed him with a plan and a

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purpose and that was not to live inside

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the boundaries of what God says brings

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with it suffering. And so

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that's what I would encourage you to do. And

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I actually think in your heart after reading your letter,

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I think that you know what God

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wants you to do and I would just encourage you,

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get along with the Lord and ask

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him to give you the courage to do

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what honors God, not what you think

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will make your family happy. At the end of

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the day, that's what this will become about. All

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right, that's all that I've got time for

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today. Stick around, we're going to come

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