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Well,

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hey everyone, this is Heidi St. John. Welcome

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to the Heidi St. John podcast. I'm

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your host here at the intersection of faith

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and culture. And today we're gonna tackle

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some issues directly related to faith

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and culture, including what do we

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think about transgenderism? What

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does the Bible say? That's really the question, not

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what do we think, but what does the Bible say

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about transgenderism? How do we refer

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to people who decide they're changed their names legally?

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What do you think about men who are claiming now

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that they can chest feed, which I find

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disgusting. I mean, hello, spoiler

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alert. And also we're gonna talk a little bit about

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camps for children, Christian camps for children

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and sleepovers. This is Mailbox Monday,

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stick around. I think you're gonna be encouraged.

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I'm glad you guys have joined me today. Thank you

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so much for those of you who came out to hear

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me at the California Home Educators

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Association, the Christian California Home

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Educators Association

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in Downey, California.

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What a fantastic opportunity that I

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had to be there and to speak to

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you guys. So thank you for coming out and letting me hug

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your neck and pray with some of you and just hear

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what God is doing in your heart. Keep

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doing the thing that God has asked you

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to do. I'm gonna say it again. God

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is at work. He's at work in this generation. We

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do not need to be afraid. God has not given

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you a spirit of fear, but of power, love,

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and a sound mind, and I don't think there's

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been a better time in recent history

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to be a Christian because where the darkness

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is pervasive, the light shines

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brighter. I wanna focus on

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the issue of transgenderism today because

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it's been in the news that the CDC,

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which is, I'm sorry, a corrupt, disgusting,

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woke organization that pushed the

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vaccines during the pandemic. I noticed that

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Johnson & Johnson has quietly removed

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their vaccine from being

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able to be available to people now because they've had

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so many issues, not the least of which. has

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been blood clots and

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high blood pressure. And again,

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I hold the government and the CDC

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and many of the government agencies responsible

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for this horrible abuse

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really

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of these agencies

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and how they are abusing the American

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people. And the Centers for Disease

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Control, I'm sorry, is just a woke company

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that cannot be trusted. Last week they came out

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and quietly said that men can breastfeed,

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which we know is a lie from the

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pit of hell. And I would like

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to ask a very serious question. Who

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is keeping track of the injury

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that these little tiny brand new babies

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are sustaining at the hands

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of mentally ill men who

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have fetishes about breastfeeding

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babies? I'd really like to know because

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I saw a video of a man who

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claims that he's a woman, he identifies as

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a woman and he claims he's breastfeeding, and was holding

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up a bottle of white liquid that he was able

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to extract from his breast. And

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we know that that white liquid is not breast

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milk. We know it is full of hormones. It is basically

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poison

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and shame on the CDC for

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allowing little children to be subjected

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to this. It's disgusting, it's immoral,

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and it should be illegal.

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And I would like to see every single

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one of my listeners standing up against this and

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saying, absolutely no with a capital

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N, no more of this. The

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CDC should be defunded, it should be shut

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down. It was bad enough on the Rona, and now they're

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saying that men can breastfeed. This

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is disgusting. And so the question becomes,

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what does God think

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about transgenderism? What's

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the position we should take as Christians? Well, we

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know this is a very, very complex

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issue, right? It's all over the culture. It's affecting

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medicine, it's affecting entertainment, it's

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affecting all kinds of things,

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athletics, religious liberty, for goodness

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sake. We watched Riley Gaines, who

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had a medal basically stolen from

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her by a biological man.

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the Netherlands just

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crowned a, Miss Netherlands

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is actually a dude who, I'm sorry you guys

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to say this out loud, but he just had his penis

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cut off just a few weeks before

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this competition

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and now he's presenting as a woman. He's not

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a woman. He's a mentally ill man

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who has gone to the trouble of castrating

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himself so that he can present as a woman.

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And now he just stole a trophy

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away from a woman and he calls that victory. You

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know where the victory was? The victory was being

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found in the transgender community who is absolutely

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stealing things from biological women that

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should belong to them. If there ever was a patriarchy,

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that's it. But we got to be thinking

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about this. Christians can't run from this issue.

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You got to be thinking about it. You got to be talking about

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it. And we need to be honest about

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it. Jesus said that we are called to be both

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loving and truthful. We must not sacrifice

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truth on the altar of a misguided

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mercy, which means that the church

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needs to be involved in these discussions.

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They're very important discussions and they're

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going to require our full attention.

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And so when people say, well, I

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was just assigned a particular sex at

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birth, no, your sex was

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quote assigned to you by

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your creator God. The moment the egg

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and sperm met and a unique code of

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DNA that was created in that genetic

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code was created at that time that has never

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existed before and will never exist again. And

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at that moment,

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your sex was determined. At that

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moment, it was decided if you would be male

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or female. So it's not

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as simple

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anymore. I mean, I saw a video

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on Instagram the other day of a woman

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talking to Kristen Hawkins, who is

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a very well-known pro-life activist. She

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speaks on college campuses with Students for Life.

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And she was engaging with this young woman

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who said, you know, she said, I am

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a biological female, but

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I'm not a woman. This is the lunacy

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that we are dealing with. This is what is

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in our high school. and you send your kids to high

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school and they start teaching them pronouns and gender theory

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and all this stuff. And then you send them to a woke

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university and they just put the nail in the coffin.

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And this happens over and over

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and over again. But I wanna focus on a couple

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of things. If we're people of the Bible, in

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other words, if we're people that believe that

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God's word is the absolute authority

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on all things related to life and godliness, which

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is what the Bible says, if we believe that

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we have a creator, then having a creator

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changes everything. God is the one who determines

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if there are more than two genders. And he

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has already determined it in his

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word. And scripture cannot be broken. John 10.35

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says, if he called them

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gods to whom the word of God came and

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scripture cannot be broken, then

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the transgender question,

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if it is to yield fruitful responses in any

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of these areas, has got to start with

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a biblical understanding of

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male and female. And so the

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Bible teaches us that God created us

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male and female in his image. And

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the first thing you need to understand is, this is

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an attack against creator God. This

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is absolutely an attack against

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God. And transgenderism falls

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short of the glory of God because

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it is a lie on its face. And

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I read an article in the gospel coalition that I

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will link back to today because it's full of really great

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information for you. But they say

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that there are three big scriptural building

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blocks that lead inexorably

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to this conclusion. One is the gender

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binary. The Bible knows no other

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gender categories besides male

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and female, full stop. All

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throughout scripture. And you can read this,

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you can, I mean, look it up for goodness

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sake, you guys. If you don't have a concordance,

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then get into Google and just type in Bible

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verses on human sexuality,

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Bible verses on male and female. And

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you're going to see over and over again that

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scripture operates in the binary

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categories of male and

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female. There are no exceptions

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someone will say to me, well, what about intersex? Yes,

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intersex is a chromosomal

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anomaly that happens. Some people

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are born with three legs. Does that mean that

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that's the norm? No, it's not the norm.

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The norm is two legs. And every once in a while,

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a chromosomal abnormality will happen and

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someone will have an extra thumb. Sometimes

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you see people born with two heads, right? That's

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happened. You've seen Siamese twins are born.

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There are all kinds, because we live in

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a fallen broken world, there are all kinds

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of chromosomal anomalies which

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result in birth defects. Intersex

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is one of those such anomalies, but

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it's not the way we are supposed to be.

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This is a result of the creation groaning.

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The Bible says that the whole world is groaning

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under the weight of sin. But the answer

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to that is not to create

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a third lane for another sex.

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There is no such thing as non-binary.

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Someone cannot, cannot

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identify, well, they can identify, I guess, as an alligator

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if they wanted it to, but it doesn't make it

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right. And when we decided as

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a culture

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to

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get rid of the idea of objective

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truth, we have opened Pandora's box

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to all manner of wickedness.

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And when God created the first human pair in

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his image, he created them according to Genesis 1.27,

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male and female.

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Far from being a mere cultural construct,

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which is what the world will tell you it is, God

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said that he created woman

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to be a compliment to help the

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man. So God sees very big

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differences between male and female.

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This was God's idea. And so as

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I said at the very beginning, this is absolutely

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an attack against the creator God. This

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is the enemy of your soul who is

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saying, look, I found another way to confuse

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human beings. Whenever you take God out of

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something, confusion always

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enters and perversion appears.

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When you pull God out, and I'm not just talking about

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sexual perversion. I'm talking about all

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manner of perversion, perversion in government,

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perversion. version in education. We

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have pulled God out of every

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sphere of influence that I can think of

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in the world around me. We've even pulled him out of

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many of our mainstream denomination

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churches. And whenever that happens, you

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take God out, confusion will

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always enter. The Bible teaches us

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that God is not the author

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of confusion. He is the author of peace.

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And so when you see these young people struggling with

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their sexual identity, with their gender

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identity, no, that is an attack

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from the enemy.

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It's not the plan of God.

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Male and female are neither identical

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nor interchangeable. I'm going to say that again.

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Male and female are not identical and

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they are not interchangeable.

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When the woman who was taken out of man joins

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again with the man in sexual union, the

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Bible says that the two become one

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flesh. So dividing the human

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race, according to the gospel coalition, dividing the

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human race into two genders, male and female,

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one or the other, not both and

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not one of them or the other is not the

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invention of Victorian prudes or patriarchal

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oaths. It was God's

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idea. This is a spiritual

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attack. The church should be at the front

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of this thing

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and not behind it. Someone

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with respect for scripture is maybe going to say at this point,

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and I thought this was a good

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point that the gospel coalition said,

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they said, I agree that God made us male, makes

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us male or female, but you're confusing biological

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sex with gender. I know transgender

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Christians who desire to embrace God's design

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for men and women, but they also believe that God

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who created them does not,

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uh, to be, does not correspond with

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the sex designed to them at birth.

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Listen, you guys, of course there are

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people out there who are confused and they say, well,

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I feel like something else on the, on the

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inside. So maybe my body says that

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I'm a woman because I have female, uh,

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body parts, female anatomy, but inside

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I feel like a man. And to that I say

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my heart goes out to you.

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Sex and gender are the same

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thing. If you feel

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that

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you are born in the wrong body, if you

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feel that your sex does not

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correspond with

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the way that your biological sex

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is not conformed with the way you feel that

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your gender

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should present itself, then something

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is wrong spiritually, something is

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wrong mentally, this is not right. It

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doesn't mean that you are born in the wrong

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body. We're not saying that these feelings

12:26

don't exist. We're saying that to validate them

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is actually injuring people. The same

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thing is true for someone who struggles with anorexia.

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Those someone who struggles with anorexia, she's

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going to be 98 pounds soaking wet, but she

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feels fat. So she if you

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ask an anorexic, why are you starving

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yourself? They're going to look at you and with all

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the sincerity of a confused mentally

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ill person, they're going to say, because

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I feel

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fat. Well,

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as my as Ben Shapiro likes to say, facts

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don't care about your feelings.

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We've got to stick to objective

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truth. We've got to stop saying that truth is

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subjective. And so the

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Bible

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clearly states

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that biological sex

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and gender identity should conform

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together in organic unity. This

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is why male and female are uniquely the

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type of pair that can reproduce. And

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it's why homosexuality, which is a man

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lying with a man or a woman with a woman, is

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wrong. It's why the apostle

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Paul can speak of homosexual partnerships as

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deviating from the natural relations or

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natural function of male and

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female sexual intercourse, which is

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the only way to make a baby. And

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as we move down this road farther

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and farther from the word

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of God and farther and farther from the truth that's in God's

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word, you're going to see more confusion. You're

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going to see more perversion. Right now we're talking about artificial

13:51

intelligence and we're talking about artificial

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wombs and men having uteruses implanted

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in them.

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Resist this men and women.

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everything that's in you.

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Resist listening to these

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lies, resist the gender confusion

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that's being pushed on our children in schools. This

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is one of the main reasons why we have

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become so passionate here at Firmly Planted

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to help parents take

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their children out of these wicked

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institutions that are confusing our children

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and that's exactly why they're doing

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it. I have time for one more question

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today.

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Maybe two, maybe I'll see if I can get to two really quickly.

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This person wrote in to say, if a non-binary

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or transgender person, first of all, I'm going to correct

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you. There is no such thing as a non-binary

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person.

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That is a mentally ill person who is presenting

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as a person of the opposite sex. There

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is no such thing as a non-binary person.

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There's no such thing as a transgender person.

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So when you tell me they've legally changed their name

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and what should I call them by, I will always

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call them by their given name.

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I will always, I'm not going to call a male

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by a female's name nor a female

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by a male's name. This is a slow form of

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suicide. These people are in such serious

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mental anguish that

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that anguish is translating into

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bodily harm and God forgive

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us. The medical community is culpable

15:14

in this. The medical community, including the corrupt,

15:17

wicked CDC, which is now

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proclaiming that men can breastfeed women or men

15:22

can breastfeed babies, which is a total lie

15:24

on its face. We should reject these

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organizations. Never listen to a single

15:29

thing they ever say again, including when

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the next so-called pandemic comes around because

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they have lost all credibility. Last

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question. Thank you so much for your ministry. I really

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love that you're speaking biblical truth so boldly.

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Thank you, Paige. I know what you

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think about kids sleeping over at friends' houses and I agree

15:45

with you, but now that my child's getting older and since

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it's summer, I know many people are sending their middle school

15:49

or high school aged children to overnight church

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camps. What's your take on this? I

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would just say be wise. In fact,

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at the time of this recording, our daughter,

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Sailor, has just come back from our

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our church camp.

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My son, Spencer,

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is the youth pastor up at that camp this year,

16:05

and he asked if he could take his little sister

16:07

up there, she's in eighth grade,

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and so I made him swear on his life that he'd keep his eye

16:11

on her.

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I am, I would say,

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relatively protective of my children and

16:18

where they go to camps. That said,

16:20

a

16:21

couple of my older kids

16:23

had wonderful experiences at our church

16:26

camp here in Camas, Washington.

16:29

Savannah, our daughter who's in her 30s, would tell

16:31

you that she had an experience at a Christian camp which

16:33

literally changed her life and she felt like the

16:35

Lord really spoke to her there. And

16:38

so I said to my husband when we were

16:40

talking about this the other day, I

16:41

don't want to be so afraid

16:44

of something happening that was bad

16:46

to one of my children

16:48

that I keep them from having an experience

16:50

that would otherwise be good. I still think

16:52

that sleepovers at friends' houses as a general

16:54

rule are just bad because honestly,

16:56

they just end up talking about things they don't

16:58

need to talk about, and we

17:01

can see each other in the daytime. And when it

17:03

comes to Christian camps, I would just say do

17:05

your homework, find out who's gonna be in those cabins,

17:07

or maybe if you knew, and this is almost

17:10

always how we've done it,

17:11

our kids go to camp when I know who their

17:13

camp counselor is going to be, who is gonna

17:15

be the adult in the cabin,

17:18

or what have you, and we've had

17:20

good success that way. I would not

17:22

send my kid to a camp

17:24

that I did not trust 100%,

17:26

and then at the end of the day, we

17:29

leave our children in

17:30

the care of the Lord knowing that He cares

17:33

about us. So we wanna do our homework and

17:35

do what's best for our children. You guys,

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that's all I have time for today. I appreciate

17:39

you so much listening to this podcast

17:42

and sharing it

17:43

with your friends.

17:44

And if you've got a question that you would like

17:47

to get onto Mailbox Monday,

17:49

just go ahead and shoot it to me at

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idstjohn.com forward slash Mailbox

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Monday. It's very easy, you guys, you'll find a form

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there. Please keep your questions short and

17:58

sweet and to the point, and we will see you next time.

17:59

will answer them. We appreciate

18:02

you so much. Thank you for listening and I'll see you right back

18:04

here tomorrow at the intersection of faith

18:07

and culture.