Avril Haines, former CIA Deputy Director and former Deputy National Security Adviser to President Obama, chats with Aroop Mukharji (@aroopmukharji) about being a woman at the CIA, why we don’t know much about North Korea, what it’s like inside the White House situation room, and how she went from indie bookstore owner to No. 2 at the CIA.

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More about Avril Haines: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avril_Haines

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Original Release Date: October 2, 2017