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Welcome Rob, Oh, thanks so much for having me. John

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as always, Yeah, you know, just big picture. We'll

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kind of break down the picks here in mid but just big picture.

1:01

When you look at this draft class, what are you kind of your takeaways

1:03

from it well.

1:04

I think it's appropriate that when John

1:07

Scheiter and Mike McDonald came out today, they were wearing,

1:09

as John put it, the kind of the gas station uniform

1:12

things. This is, you know, kind of a blue

1:14

collar kind of a draft, and I thought that there was one

1:16

that, frankly, the Seahawks needed. They need to get

1:18

bigger, physical, more physical and along the line

1:20

of scrimmage. That I thought was a perfect way to start

1:22

the draft and then to be able to have

1:24

a bunch of players all throughout the

1:26

draft that are multi year

1:29

starters and characterize themselves

1:31

and the coaches at the college level characterizing

1:33

as tough guys as well. To me, it was kind

1:36

of what's choking a lot of ways?

1:37

M M yeah, And I think multiple

1:40

people may not this.

1:41

They use it their first two picks and four

1:43

of eight picks on linemen both sides of

1:45

the ball, just the way we've heard Mike

1:47

McDonald talk about what he wants

1:49

this team to be.

1:51

How big is that? To just get bigger and better

1:53

in the trenches.

1:54

I think that was basically goal

1:56

number one. And I think that they not

1:58

only checked that box, I mean in

2:01

an extraordinary way check that box.

2:03

I mean they said that that

2:05

Byron Murphy was the very top defensive

2:08

player on their board, and I have no reason to

2:10

think that that's not the case. And there's only one defensive

2:13

player who was selected ahead of them. We ought to lot

2:15

to one pick ahead, and

2:17

that edge rusher wasn't the area of concern for

2:19

the CX, at least not in comparison to a defensive

2:22

tackle. And so to be able

2:24

to check that box again and then

2:26

come back with an offensive lineman

2:28

that I think is as good as there

2:30

was in this draft class and be able to kid Christian

2:32

Hanes at number eighty one. Overall, not

2:35

only are you filling an area

2:37

of concern, you're doing it at a point of extreme

2:40

value.

2:41

Let's go back to Thursday.

2:43

We all knew it was going to be an offense heavy first

2:45

round, especially early, but how

2:48

surprised you that it was? You know, fourteen

2:50

straight picks on offense. Where As

2:52

you said, the Shows are sitting there at sixteen and

2:54

they had almost every defensive player they wanted available

2:57

to them.

2:57

I was surprised that went that far. I

3:00

only had one player, being

3:03

one defensive player in my mock draft

3:05

in the top ten. Now was number

3:07

eight overall Atlanta Falcons, and of course they pulled

3:09

the biggest surprise with Michael Banks Junior at

3:11

that point. So, as you said,

3:13

John, we were expecting there to be a run

3:15

on offensive players, but I thought it would just work

3:17

out beautifully for the Seahawks because

3:20

that just pushed down the best defensive player in

3:22

the draft into their laps.

3:23

Exactly with Byron Murphy. Just

3:25

what do you like about his game? What jumps out when you watch

3:27

him on tape.

3:28

Explosiveness And you're going to hear me use that word

3:31

over again, over and over again with a lot of these

3:33

players, but it's his first

3:35

step quickness, in his lateral

3:37

agility. He is one of

3:39

those guys that is just a tear on

3:42

twists and stunts and things like that. I

3:44

think that it's going to allow him to be

3:47

even more productive behind the line

3:49

of scrimmage in the NFL than he ever

3:51

was at college. And it's very rare, of course,

3:53

that you see guys be more statistically

3:55

productive at the professional level

3:57

than at the amateur level. But I really think that this

3:59

is a young man who's best foot football is ahead

4:01

of him.

4:02

How do you see him kind of fitting in with the guys. I mean, they've

4:04

got some good guys up front already obviously resigned

4:06

Leonard Williams, I got Draymond Jones, Jared

4:08

Reed. Just how do you see that mixic kind of playing out.

4:11

That's gonna be interesting.

4:12

I think that allows the Seahawks

4:14

to be so much more versatile and

4:16

have such a greater depth than

4:18

they've had in recent years. I mean,

4:20

I go back to the Super Bowl glory days,

4:22

you know, in this franchise, and how there

4:25

was this constant rotation, and

4:27

that's what it feels like the Seahawks are

4:29

creating here. And you know, you can have a rotation

4:32

of guys that aren't very good,

4:34

but you're gonna have waves of terrific football

4:37

players, of guys that can make

4:39

plays again behind the line of

4:41

scrimmage and just put the opposing

4:44

offense really on their heels.

4:46

Then we move on to Friday, and as John Schneider

4:48

described, it, a very long wait for them without

4:51

that second round pick that they sent to the Giants

4:53

for Leonard Williams. Eventually they

4:55

get Christian Haynes. We all thought guard

4:57

was a need for this team coming in having

4:59

you know, Damien Lewis leading free agency. Phil

5:01

Haynes, the starter last year, also a free

5:03

agent. What did you think of that pick

5:06

where they're able to get Haynes and just what kind of players

5:08

he.

5:09

That might just be my favorite pick

5:11

of this entire draft for the Seahawks in terms

5:13

of not only what he provides

5:16

as a four year starter, two time All

5:18

American, but again just the point

5:20

of value. Of course, the Seahawks selected

5:22

him at number eighty one overall. I

5:25

had him as the forty fifth best

5:27

player in this draft class, so to be able

5:29

to get him a full round later, I

5:32

think that really, you know, made

5:34

a lot of sense for the Seahawks because it

5:36

is feeling a position of concern as

5:38

you said, there's some free agent losses

5:40

in that regard, but also again a

5:42

player of extreme value. And what

5:45

does it say about the competitiveness of Christian

5:47

Haynes that he is a four year starter

5:49

and then still wants to go to the Senior Bowl, And

5:52

that to me says everything that

5:54

you need to know about him. And of course

5:57

you know he was coached out at the University

5:59

of Connecticut former Seahawks

6:01

coach Jim Moore junior and so you know that Seawle

6:03

is going to have the very best possible intel.

6:06

And Jim Mora is As John Shire said,

6:08

Jim Moora called him classy and nasty,

6:10

which is not not two descriptors usually

6:12

here together.

6:13

But I kind of like it.

6:14

You know, It's like, all right, we're getting We're getting a good dude

6:16

who are also gotting kick some butts.

6:17

So that's a that's a nice description.

6:20

I one hundred percent agree with you. It sounds like a you

6:22

know, a rap album or something. I mean,

6:25

I'm looking forward to the Seahawks putting together

6:27

their own a little music interlude,

6:30

I guess through the twenty twenty four draft

6:32

class.

6:32

As our usual host Jen Mueller said, that would

6:34

be great on a T shirt. Just classy and nasty.

6:36

Put put it on a shirt, Slap a Seahawks

6:39

logo on there. Put him in the pro shop maybe so. Uh.

6:42

Day three, as John Shire says, is kind of the

6:44

most fun day for them, where they really get to work.

6:46

And indeed they made a trade early.

6:48

They make six total picks, started

6:50

off with Tyrus Knight, another kind of position

6:53

in need. They did sign some guys a pre

6:55

agency but off ball linebacker. Obviously you

6:57

lose last year starters both in free agency. Just

7:00

take us through what you see entires Knight.

7:02

Again explosive this. You know, that's one

7:04

of the things that I really see is that he is a

7:06

guy that just attacks the line of scrimmage.

7:08

It's almost I look for linebackers

7:11

that attack the whole like a running

7:13

back does. That they know where the hole is supposed

7:15

to be, and that's not always where it's going to be, but when

7:18

it is there, then you explode to

7:20

and through it. You know, there's

7:22

a lot of linebackers in this class. In

7:24

my opinion, this was not a great linebacker

7:26

class. There were a lot of linebackers that

7:28

would tackle ball carriers falling

7:31

backwards. That is not going to be the case for

7:33

Tarius Knight. And so to me, it

7:35

is a pick that I think that some out there

7:37

might pam because he was viewed by

7:39

some as a later round prospect.

7:43

I disagree. He was a player

7:45

that I thought really stood out because of his playmaking

7:47

ability and his stats were through the roof

7:50

and despite the fact that this was

7:52

his first year at the traditional off

7:54

ball linebacker after playing on the edge before. Again,

7:57

kind of like we talked about with Byron Murphy speaks

8:00

to the idea that this could

8:02

be a player who's best football is still ahead of him.

8:05

And for kind of the layman fan who doesn't

8:08

you know, study the film. We heard Mike McDonald a

8:10

couple times talk about the way he plays square.

8:12

Well, what does that mean?

8:13

Well, at least to me, it means a

8:15

guy that isn't off balance, that

8:17

isn't fooled very often, and

8:20

that is going to be able to take

8:22

on blockers and be able

8:25

to move either to the left or to the right

8:27

based on whatever the ball carrier is going,

8:30

and then has the power, has

8:32

the sand in his pants another kind of a football

8:34

lexicon there that but just is physical

8:37

enough, is nice and low

8:39

to the grounds, they're going to win that leverage battle

8:42

and is going to be able to again be able

8:44

to not just fall backwards and make

8:46

the tackle six seven yards downfield,

8:49

be able to make the tackle aft the last scrimmage,

8:51

preferably behind it.

8:53

Moving on. The next pick they used in the

8:55

fourth round, also a J. Barner, a guy from

8:57

Michigan tight end. A lot of familiar

8:59

toy for the coach, some of the guys on the coaching staff,

9:02

as Mike McDonald, tols J. Harbob was involved

9:04

in bringing him to Michigan, recruiting him there from Indiana.

9:07

Seems like he's a tight end that can get the job done blocking

9:10

also pass catcher.

9:11

Just what do you see out of his game?

9:13

You know? He actually kind of reminds me of a former

9:15

Seahawk, Will Disley, of course, same number

9:17

even, yeah, exactly. And it's

9:20

interesting because there is a fan

9:22

favorite element to him because I

9:24

think with Will Disley and as well as

9:26

AJ Barner, he is going to make

9:29

his money as a blocker initially

9:31

because he is just big and powerful

9:33

and aggressive, but he also has very

9:35

soft hands. He has a little bit more

9:37

wiggle to him, and I think that a lot of people

9:40

want to give him credit for it. Some of that is the function

9:42

of the Michigan offense that was all about running the

9:44

football, you know, So I really see

9:46

him. As I mentioned before, Christian Haynes

9:48

is one of my favorite selections. A J. Barner

9:50

is one of my favorite selections as well. And you

9:53

mentioned Jay Harbaugh, you know,

9:55

who helped the process of basically

9:58

getting A. J. Barner to come to Michigan

10:00

after he was a captain and a productive

10:02

player Indiana. I

10:04

think that That's interesting as well, because of

10:06

course Jay Harbaugh is Seattle's a special

10:08

teams coordinator. I would anticipate a J. Barnard

10:11

playing an awful lot of special teams in Seattle,

10:13

just as he did it in armbur in Indiana as well.

10:15

I did actually run in Jay Harbaugh in the hall and I

10:17

asked him as like, you canna use it Marcha,

10:20

And yeah, he said, he smiled and definitely

10:22

excited about that. Onto the fifth

10:24

round a cornerback. This team's never

10:26

succeeded drafting fifth round cornerbacks,

10:28

so I don't know what they're doing me

10:30

and I preach it from Auburn, one of two Auburn

10:33

cornerbacks. We'll get to the other one later, but just

10:36

you know, I know he was a guy that was kind of different

10:38

places on different people's radars.

10:40

But what do you see in him?

10:42

You know, I see a long, lanky corner

10:44

kind of like that, you know some of the other corners

10:46

that this franchise has had some success in

10:48

the fifth round. Hashtag sarcasm there.

10:50

I appreciate that little note.

10:52

Now Rob is calling him the next Richard Sherman.

10:54

We're gonna hold you to that.

10:56

Well, But He's a four year starter

10:58

at Auburn, so obviously battle tested as

11:00

it gets. And I just

11:02

see a guy that doesn't panic when the ball

11:05

is in the air, he locates

11:07

it and slaps the ball away. And

11:11

despite the fact that he's kind of a leaner

11:13

guy, Richard Truman was as well. At

11:16

six to one, one hundred and eighty five pounds or

11:18

so, he punches above his weight

11:20

class, so to speak. He is physical and

11:22

again I think he is also going to be somebody who can

11:24

compete on special teams, if not

11:26

be pushing for for meaningful

11:29

snaps on defense as a rookie as well.

11:31

And then we go back to the offensive line. Lomeya

11:33

from Utah, John Shire tolst was You

11:35

know, they always say, you know, I can't believe this guy was there,

11:37

and you hear that a lot, but he was a guy that, truly,

11:40

John Shire seemed very thrilled to be able to get

11:42

where they got him in the sixth round.

11:45

You know a lot of overlap with

11:47

Husky and Seahawks fans who are familiar with Utah football,

11:49

But what have you seen out of him?

11:52

Again, he is one of my favorite players in this

11:54

class. And maybe I just have an affinity for

11:56

the line of scrimmage, But you know,

11:58

I see a guy that was a

12:01

very durable and very versatile

12:03

player at Utah. And I have

12:05

a great deal of respect for the utah Utes

12:08

and their ability to just churn out NFL

12:10

prospects at every position. But

12:12

I really think along the offensive line has really has

12:14

been one of their strengths throughout the Kyle

12:16

Whittingham era. There, and I see

12:18

a guy there that his

12:22

agility is something that's a

12:24

little bit uncommon for Utah. They're down to

12:26

stereotype utah Ute players, but a lot

12:28

of times their offensive linemen then have been these

12:30

big brutes the line of scrimmage. They just move

12:33

people, but they don't necessarily have great

12:35

agility. But may I see

12:37

the agility to be able to handle some tackle if

12:39

the Seahawks need him to do so. I also

12:41

see a guy who has the physicality to be

12:43

able to stay inside at guards. So again,

12:46

I think that his ability to play multiple

12:48

positions could make him the perfect kind of swing

12:50

lineman, not just swing tackle, but swing

12:52

offensive lineman from this class

12:54

for the Seahawks.

12:56

Now that's back to another Auburn quarter.

12:58

I began to wonder if Niko or performer

13:00

Seahawks and current staff member

13:02

was making the picks at this point. But DJ

13:05

James really productive guy over

13:07

at Auburn. Just what jumps out about.

13:09

Him again very similar to

13:11

Pritchard, and that he is a guy that doesn't

13:14

panic when the ball is in the year, has got long

13:16

arms and is able to kind of tap hi balls

13:19

away. Again the ball skills.

13:21

I believe he had thirty two passes broken

13:23

up over his career, as well as five interceptions,

13:26

and again, is a more

13:29

physical player than a relatively slight

13:31

frame might suggest. He's

13:33

a guy that also excelled on special

13:36

teams. And I think that he just has a kind

13:38

of a I say this in the most levying

13:40

endearing way possible. He's got kind of a rat terrier

13:43

kind of tenacity to him. And so again

13:45

I think that that is something that the Seahawks have

13:48

always prioritized throughout the Johns Schneider

13:50

era, and to me, it was kind of comforting

13:52

to see that that didn't leave that

13:55

that is going to be something that Seatle is going

13:57

to, like Cdall mentioned

13:59

it, kind of iron Sharpen's iron kind

14:01

of a thing. In my opinion,

14:03

the cornerback room for the Seahawks is

14:05

now arguably the strongest positional

14:08

group. I was surprised to see them go with

14:10

two corners, obviously two corners of the same program,

14:13

but I also think that it makes a their

14:16

group that much stronger. And let's

14:18

be real, than today's NFL, you

14:20

have to have quality defensive play to

14:23

defensive backfield play, and now I think the Seahawks

14:25

have arguably the strongest secondary at

14:28

least cornerback room in the league.

14:29

Yeah.

14:29

No, we were talking about that earliers, like I don't

14:31

know how, Like we got to see how it goes in training

14:34

camp, but like, how does this all work out with? I mean, they got

14:36

a ton of guys know and good players, the guys

14:38

that the lost starting experience, and now you add two draft picks

14:40

to it. So it's going to be fascinating group

14:42

to watch that play out. Last

14:45

pick for the Seahawks another six rounder

14:47

Michael durrell I. For

14:50

one, I'm gonna admit I did not know a darn thing

14:52

about him or Findlay Universe or University

14:54

of Findlay at all. But you

14:57

know everything about the draft, so I'm gonna

14:59

expect you to give a good Sky report here.

15:01

Well, you know, it's funny because I didn't know a lot about

15:03

him either. But what I did know

15:05

was that he had a very impressive

15:08

pro day workout at Ohio State, and even

15:10

before that, a very impressive showing

15:12

at the Hula Bowl. And that's me. That's

15:15

where he got on my radar. And

15:17

he primarily played at the right tackle

15:19

position at Finlay, but

15:22

he played some right tackle as well as left

15:24

tackle in the Hula Bowl game. And

15:26

I see a guy that has very light

15:29

feet for a small school prospect.

15:31

And this is a guy who's just under six foot

15:33

five, he's three hundred and ten pounds and ran

15:35

a four to nine forty yard dash.

15:38

And there were a lot of very

15:40

talented players that his prote Because he was allowed

15:42

to work out at Ohio State, and because I've had

15:45

the great opportunity to work as a scout

15:47

in the Canadian Football League for the BC Lions,

15:50

I've had a chance to go to a lot of pro days.

15:52

If a program is going to allow

15:54

a player from a different college

15:56

to come in and work out there, there must

15:59

be a great deal of interest in him.

16:01

So kudus to the Seahawks forgetting this diamond

16:03

in the rough type of a player when

16:05

they could, because I think that if they

16:07

had not selected him at that point, then somebody else

16:09

is going to snatch him up quickly.

16:10

You mentioned the light feet.

16:12

He was more of a basketball player in high school

16:14

before taking up football late. As someone

16:16

who scouted players, I got to imagine

16:18

when you're talking offensive tackles, you love seeing

16:20

a basketball background.

16:22

I do, especially at tackles. You know,

16:24

sometimes the interior offensive linemen

16:26

they're not strong enough to be able to make

16:28

that transition. I think that this

16:30

young man is he has almost thirty

16:32

four inch arms and still had I believe, twenty seven

16:35

repetitions the tour in twenty five pounds.

16:37

That is above and beyond what

16:39

you were expecting of a tackle that

16:41

has that kind of arm length and has the basketball

16:44

background. So you're looking for the light

16:46

feet, and then you often see that with former basketball

16:49

players. You don't see the

16:51

strength, and so that is to me one

16:53

of the most intriguing things about him. Of course, it kind

16:55

of reminds me a little bit of current and former

16:57

Seahawks George Fans and his ability

16:59

to do the same kind of a thing. That's why

17:01

I have a great deal of confidence Drill is going to basically

17:04

follow fans and wind up being a guy that's not only

17:06

gonna be drafted by the Seahawks

17:08

but also has a bright NFL

17:11

future.

17:11

I also really like hearing him talk about he

17:14

had some Power five schools coming after him later in

17:16

his career when he established himself, and he says

17:18

kind of a loyalty thing of like, Finley's the school

17:20

that gave me the chance, and I didn't want to

17:22

be drafted with some other school next to

17:24

my name and them getting the credit for the work Finley

17:26

did with me. So I thought that was a cool trait for

17:29

him to be, like, you know what, this is the school that took

17:31

the chance on me, and I want to finish out here.

17:33

No, I one hundred percent agree with you. I mean it's

17:35

you know, we have this very cool job

17:37

here, John, and you and I to be able to kind

17:40

of meet all these young men that

17:42

that are am or are trying to

17:44

reach their their dream. Sometimes

17:47

they're going to give up everything that they

17:49

possibly can to accomplish that dream.

17:51

To have the confidence in yourself and

17:53

to have the integrity the loyalty to stick with

17:55

that program, those are the young

17:57

people that I believe wind

17:59

up being successful in not only in football,

18:02

but in life. And I think the Seahawks got a good one

18:04

here, yeaes.

18:04

To be clear, I don't begrudge anybody who's going to transfer

18:07

for any variety of reasons, coaching change,

18:09

just better opportunity. I think you know that's the

18:11

system now, and guy should take advantage of it if

18:13

it suits them. But it is kind of refreshing to hear

18:16

a guy the way he laid it out, of like

18:18

I wanted my coach in my school

18:20

to get credit when my name is called, Which is also a cool

18:22

confidence in yourself to know that, Like, yeah,

18:24

his chances of getting drafted higher probably would have

18:26

gone up quite a bit had he transferred a year or two

18:29

ago. But just the way he stuck it out is pretty cool.

18:31

That covers all eight picks we banged

18:34

through him pretty quick. Just I know we kind of touch

18:36

on this in the beginning, but just as you

18:38

digest this class and looking forward to the

18:40

next season, just how do you sort of see this group,

18:42

you know, contributing some guys I think have the clear

18:45

path to playing time right away, But how do you sort

18:47

of see this class contribute to the Seahawks

18:50

coming into twenty twenty four.

18:51

Well, I certainly expect the top two selections

18:53

to be competing for if not starting

18:55

time immediately, then then definitely

18:58

reinforcing the areas I thought that the

19:00

Sea needed to reinforce. And

19:02

then I think that we would be remiss

19:04

if we didn't remind people that,

19:07

you know, the second round selection was used on Leonard

19:09

Williams, who of course was brought back, and he

19:12

is, in my opinion, you know, one

19:14

of the true strengths of this entire team.

19:17

And then I think that there might be

19:20

some on the outside looking in seeing what about

19:22

the young what about quarterback? And when

19:25

there were six quarterbacks go within the top twelve selections

19:27

this year, I think that it just reinforced

19:30

what, in my opinion, brilliant

19:32

move that it was by the Seahawks to go and

19:34

get Sam Hel. I am a big fan

19:36

of Sam Hell. I love the fact that he already has

19:38

NFL starting experience and

19:41

the Seahawks know exactly who he is. Having

19:43

him here for a couple of weeks, that's so much better than

19:45

a zoom call or a visit or

19:47

whatever. And so I think that you Basically,

19:50

you walked into this draft knowing you needed

19:52

to get help along the line of scrimmage.

19:54

You needed to get some depth at linebacker,

19:56

it's at that corner back, at

19:58

tight end, and then if you had

20:01

any concerns about quarterback, then Seattle

20:03

could have drafted a quarterback. The fact that they

20:05

did not, I think it was just the

20:08

idea that they had the proof

20:11

on their own field and their own evaluation

20:14

that Sam Howe does have the ability

20:16

not only to be a quality backup

20:18

to Gino Smith, now maybe he is the plan

20:20

for the future moving forward.

20:21

Yeah, that is kind of a cool aspect of it, is they

20:24

with offseason workouts starting when they did, they

20:26

got kind of a three week had start on evaluating

20:28

Sam Howell. I mean, obviously, you know, you need to

20:30

see him playing your offense for real to make

20:32

a good assessment, but it does give

20:35

you that much more information going to the draft, like, hey,

20:37

you know, we really like this guy in this

20:39

point we made a ton but he's young. I mean he's

20:41

younger than a lot of these quarterbacks we saw drafted

20:43

this week. So it did set the Seahawks

20:46

up to as you said, they could have drafted quarterback had it

20:48

fallen right, but they didn't go into the drafting

20:50

like, oh shoot, we got to get one because we only

20:52

have one quarterback on the roster. So it

20:54

was a nice move to give themselves

20:57

a situation to have the draft kind of come

20:59

to them exactly.

21:00

And that's the thing is that, you know, there were a

21:02

lot of clubs that made

21:05

moves here leading up to the draft at

21:07

the quarterback position and then yet still

21:09

drafted a quarterback in some cases in

21:11

the first round. And the

21:13

fact that the Seattle did not, I think

21:16

just again, they saw all the

21:18

evidence that they needed to see that Sam How was

21:20

going to be a quality quarterback for

21:22

them, you know, and so therefore

21:24

they could allow the draft to come to them rather

21:27

than reach for a quarterback

21:29

or try to trade, say a twenty twenty

21:31

five pick to move up so aggressively

21:33

and just kind of loose sight of the fact

21:36

or lose sight of the idea that they

21:38

needed to address other concerns first

21:40

and foremost.

21:41

Yeah, I like it, good stuff for up. Appreciate

21:43

your time as always. Well, let

21:45

you go here. It's been a very long weekend for everyone

21:48

involved, so enjoy what's left

21:50

of it.

21:51

I will thank you