After two weeks apart, Antoinette and Lucas reunite to discuss the news and recent forays into activism. (To see the recent Statesman story that drove Lucas straight up the wall, go here).

For our main topic today, Antoinette interviews Fort Worth native Alexander Montalvo, a longtime volunteer, advocate and activist, about white fragility in progressive activism, as our OH THIS WORLD book club continues. It's a wide-ranging and thought-provoking conversation so tune in, and, after, share your thoughts on our new call-in line: 702-907-RAGE. We'll air your reactions to the issues Antoinette and Alexander discuss in this episode, plus your reactions to Robin DiAngelo's "White Fragility" generally, in a couple weeks. 

This episode was recorded in the first week of September 2020.