0:00

Am I the a-hole for telling my daughter she

0:02

needs to move out after she had her fair

0:04

with our married neighbor? Ouch

0:07

this comes from stressed out dad three.

0:09

I can understand why you're stressed accurate

0:11

last week I caught my daughter 21

0:14

leaving our neighbor's house early in the

0:16

morning I was getting a drink around

0:18

three in the morning and watched her

0:20

leave their house and she snuck across

0:22

the yard Whoa

0:24

and went through our basement door

0:27

our neighbor is Married and

0:29

probably 30. I assume his wife was gone

0:32

for the night as her car wasn't there

0:34

the next morning I went down to my

0:36

daughter's room and confronted her at

0:38

first he denied it But then

0:41

she eventually said that she had been

0:43

sleeping with him for a couple of

0:45

months Oh 30

0:48

with a 21 year old Big

0:51

yikes. I lost it at that

0:53

point and yelled at her telling her he is

0:56

Married and she is helping ruin a marriage. I

0:58

told her that she needs to tell the wife

1:00

or she needs to move out honestly

1:04

Not a bad not a bad

1:06

ultimatum. Yeah, not a

1:08

bad ultimatum. I like that ultimatum good adult

1:10

parenting Yeah, she is clearly upset and thinks

1:12

I'm overreacting My wife

1:14

is also thinking I'm going too far

1:17

what Wife

1:19

your wife is probably cheating on you The

1:23

wife is also sleeping with the guy No,

1:27

no, no, no, no, no, no the Apple

1:29

doesn't far from the tree hot conspiracy theory.

1:31

All right It

1:35

wasn't the it wasn't the 30 year old that she's cheating on

1:37

why was the 30 year old's wife gone

1:39

open marriage? Because he was

1:42

with the wife the OPs wife. Oh

1:45

You're saying you saying Opie's wife is cheating

1:47

with the wife of the neighbor guy Opie's

1:53

Why was he up at 3 o'clock in the morning?

1:56

Yeah, also was he getting a drink of water or like

1:58

a like a drink drink? Like a glug glug glug

2:00

glug. Probably doesn't get iterated after. After we talked about what

2:03

drink means, it's probably a drink drink. Anyway.

2:06

Maybe. I get that the

2:08

neighbor is the main issue, but I'm really

2:10

disappointed. My daughter, she knows his wife and

2:12

has even babysat for them. Ah,

2:15

it's a classic babysitter. Is

2:18

telling her to confess

2:20

or move out too far. I

2:24

mean, she's 21. She's 21. She

2:27

is in college. Yeah,

2:30

let me think about this. I

2:33

do think it's very important that she... The

2:36

right thing to do is tell the wife. Absolutely

2:38

the right thing to do is tell the

2:40

wife. And it's like what leverage, quote unquote,

2:43

do you have here? Yeah, but maybe it's not

2:45

like, I don't think I would kick my daughter

2:47

out if she wasn't ready, even

2:49

though she did a bad thing. Yeah.

2:52

Yeah. But it's also like make adult

2:55

decisions, have adult consequences. What if it's

2:57

like, we don't know if she

3:00

has a car paid for a provide... What if you're

3:02

like... Or a job. Or

3:04

she's still in school. She probably maybe has one where your

3:06

school left. Yeah, maybe. I was going to say take the

3:08

car away, but like that's one thing to take a car

3:10

away for like a high school or it's like, oh, take

3:13

the bus to school. But it's

3:15

like she can just walk to the cheating. It's

3:18

across the street. Dude. You're

3:20

so right. I was saying as just a general punishment

3:22

of like, okay, you can't drive around and see your

3:24

friends. I mean, yeah, like even

3:27

if she's grounded.

3:30

Let's sneak out like she has

3:32

to escape from the basement door. She's

3:34

for... Home free. Yeah. This

3:38

is tricky. Dude, this is really... I

3:40

would love to know what y'all would do. Put your answers in the

3:42

comments. What if... Okay. What

3:45

if, what if, what if the husband says, tell him or

3:47

I will? And

3:50

honestly, you could totally be bossing at first. Or

3:54

tell her or I will tell the wife. Oh,

3:57

I'm sorry. Yeah. Tell the wife or

3:59

I will. Yeah. You know you have to

4:01

be there. You can be blocking the first not enter. Yeah.

4:04

That's probably won't matter. At least the information

4:06

gets out because what if what? Otherwise, where,

4:08

I won't know. What if she. Ah

4:11

she gets on the streets and

4:13

then she's gonna start. Only fan

4:16

of living. And. Then where we

4:18

are, there are ways to make a living. No,

4:20

not. Just sat in see

4:22

others. Not sexist. yes there is

4:24

Now I made a noise fans

4:26

to okay where's the link is

4:28

getting over the our exactly I

4:30

was totally line also. Have.

4:32

A If she's I only been doing it right

4:34

Seized all the streets. Like.

4:37

People that people aren't we were we watching

4:39

videos only been paid like thirty five million

4:41

dollar net worth. Insane. Insane

4:43

absence and as you find her on the

4:45

you to. Refinance. Idiom. It

4:49

through. There is an

4:51

addict. while the you have responding i'm sorry can

4:54

respond more of you. Some context I fail to

4:56

put in here at My wife is very upset

4:58

she isn't siding with the affair. In fact she

5:00

was cheated on by an axe To understand is

5:02

better than ideal. I think that is a I

5:04

think that is a big part of lives of

5:07

angry. My. Wife is also a

5:09

better person than I am. still the only

5:11

reason I am the man I am today.

5:13

I have too much respect to let people

5:16

even anonymously insinuate that she is a problem

5:18

here. I should have done a better job

5:20

of explaining her side. Any com and say

5:22

anything bad about my wife will be met

5:25

with it as you ah writing all this

5:27

out real com and has been incredibly helpful.

5:29

I haven't changed my mind. But. It's

5:31

made think about the situation more, especially

5:33

looking at the future and my relationship

5:36

with my daughter. I. Just shot

5:38

a text of my daughter and apologize for

5:40

my anger and asked her to go get

5:42

a drink with me tonight and talk. I

5:44

told her. I'm. Sorry I didn't

5:47

ask her how she was feeling. I

5:49

did he get my composure back before my ex were

5:51

call here to few minutes but will continue to read

5:53

reply to. Just

5:57

going to put my thoughts here instead of carpeting. Wow,

6:00

so many comments. While yes, I may be seeming

6:02

to backtrack a bit with reaching out to my

6:04

daughter, I don't see how that is bad. She

6:06

is my daughter and I love her so much.

6:08

For those who think she would stop talking to

6:10

us if we kicked her out, I

6:12

raised her to be independent and accept

6:15

consequences for actions. It's

6:17

hard to explain her relationship, but I know she

6:20

wouldn't stop talking to us if we did force

6:22

her to move. She also would figure it out

6:24

as she is a smart woman. She would love

6:26

out of our house, not our life. I'm

6:30

always her dad. On that note,

6:32

this is the dad writing, not the mom

6:34

as some of you have thought. Also,

6:36

not worried about violence from the neighbor's wife.

6:38

Unfortunately, she is a very sweet woman,

6:40

which makes everything worse, but I wouldn't put

6:43

my daughter in danger. I can affirm

6:45

my daughter hasn't told the husband we know.

6:48

I will be watching his behavior as I'm not

6:50

sure how he will react. Last thing,

6:52

as I find it funny, I was drinking

6:54

water, not alcohol when I saw her. I

6:56

woke up and went to the kitchen and

6:58

saw from the window, but I appreciate the

7:00

links to AA. I really should

7:03

have made my original post longer. Sorry for all

7:05

the edits. I'll update after I talk with

7:07

my daughter. There is no update.

7:09

There is no update. There is no update. If

7:11

we ever talk with the daughter, we will never

7:13

know. Maybe. We'll never know. Unless there's an update,

7:16

maybe. But I like our solution better. I think

7:18

our solution is a happy medium. Yeah, I think

7:20

so. I think, yeah, after thinking about it for

7:22

a second, it's like, okay, yeah, maybe not threatening

7:25

to kick out the daughter. It's too extreme. Maybe

7:28

the daughter is, who

7:30

knows what's going on? Is she looking for validation? Yeah,

7:33

why did she feel the need to go to

7:35

this neighbor? I think that is a good thing.

7:37

If you're able to sit down with your child,

7:39

like as- What's going on? What's going

7:42

on? Let me hear you. I'm your

7:44

friend. I'm the baby. So I really

7:46

liked OP's pivot and adjustment there.

7:50

Walking it back from being out of my

7:52

house. And this does not at

7:54

all in any way, in any shape or

7:56

form, excuse this because she should know better,

7:58

but she is- 21,

8:02

making stupid young people mistake you.

8:04

And so it's like, all right, let me

8:06

let me help guide you as your

8:09

parent through this. But I'm very curious what all

8:11

of you would do. I would love to know

8:13

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8:29

Exes divorce lawyer says

8:31

send three years of

8:33

complete financials or else

8:35

me here's 1000 McDonald's

8:37

receipts. Okay, OP. This

8:41

is OKOP. I'm Samuel Donner. And

8:43

I'm John Fry. And we tell

8:45

the funniest stories on the World

8:47

Wide Web. Web. Web. You

8:49

ever went like in the 90s, people are like,

8:52

Oh, World Wide Web. What's that?

8:54

What is this? What's this

8:56

newfound computers connected? Why

9:00

would I look up a recipe on

9:02

my computer when I could just open

9:04

a recipe book? I got some good

9:06

old fashioned paper right here. It never

9:08

breaks. Never break. I'll wait for it

9:10

to buffer. Yeah, I got to wait

9:12

around. And you're freaking got

9:15

to get got to plug it in. These

9:17

are like, this paper does

9:19

just fine. We went from from old people

9:21

to just straight lead. But

9:28

the old people, the lead nights were wrong. The internet

9:30

is great because it helps us find the

9:32

funniest stories on the internet. Exactly. And

9:36

John, actually, I have a I have a law one

9:39

for you. I

9:41

like I like something I can think my

9:43

teeth into, you know, a little meat on

9:45

it. Exes divorce lawyer says send three years

9:48

of complete financials or else me here's 1000

9:50

McDonald's receipts. Man,

9:53

is this the guy from Super Size me? Or

9:55

like, what's Going on here? McDonald's for a

9:57

long time. This

10:00

happened several years ago when my

10:02

ex and I were going through

10:04

a heated divorce/custody battle. The.

10:07

Yeah, not my mice. While.

10:09

We were married. We had a couple

10:11

conversations about how rich people hide their

10:13

assets to avoid paying taxes. I've.

10:16

Never had and of assets to do

10:18

this but. She. Somehow got the

10:20

idea that I was and told

10:22

her attorney that I was laundering

10:24

money at our my to get

10:26

gov. Man's got

10:28

like Ozarks or for ten. Oh I

10:30

see Ozark Season for those of us

10:32

A I have not watched over as

10:34

pretty Get this is a bad for

10:36

Netflix but the problem is I can

10:38

only see Michael Bateman as the guy

10:40

from Arrested Develop a good ever look

10:42

at the same way again. he played

10:44

pretty good. kind of like semi evil

10:47

character but yeah the you on his

10:49

money. that's. That's that's. The joke of

10:51

it was more likely the heat of

10:53

the moment as divorce last Cassie battles

10:55

often come down to. and the thing

10:57

is I couldn't even afford my own

10:59

attorney so I represented myself. which sort

11:01

of a good indicator that is I

11:03

dig massive about the bodies of were

11:05

or he's a mastermind see me as

11:07

and that to throw people off as

11:09

well as ah Dodds they get like

11:11

a true gruber. All right let's look

11:13

at his taxes are higher as look

11:16

of of data I don't know only

11:18

the Ira forty it's of myself anymore.

11:20

Than they already. Her.

11:22

Lawyer was it the total. But.

11:24

Whole but he clearly without to

11:27

get me and he talked down

11:29

to be like I did deserve

11:31

to breathe the same air as

11:33

him.one day I give the letter

11:35

in the mail from him requesting

11:37

an updated income declarations warm and

11:39

three years of financials as had

11:41

a long list of things to

11:43

include. So. Which.

11:46

Which sounds terrible though. I guess you

11:49

get everything. all these things, but together

11:51

sounds like a. The. Wag. I

11:53

own a communications tech companies that

11:55

was in superstardom face back that.

11:57

Money. was already tight i

12:00

trying to get this business off the

12:02

ground with no financing and I was

12:04

finishing my MBA with scholarships and loans

12:06

so paying for copies and posted or

12:08

driving 30 miles to his office

12:10

meant eating peanut butter and saltines for a

12:12

week. So I called him to explain my

12:14

situation. He all but called me a liar

12:16

and didn't believe I couldn't afford it. I

12:18

was put off by that and I said

12:20

that it was taking time away from my

12:22

business I needed to handle to which he

12:25

replied and I'll never forget this well

12:27

according to your income declarations you're

12:29

not that busy. What do

12:32

you do all day? He then

12:34

said if he didn't get these

12:36

documents he would consider my previous

12:38

filings as fraudulent tell the judge

12:40

contact the DA and also alert

12:42

the state tax agency and IRS.

12:45

Oh my god. He's unleashing

12:47

the hounds. God that's that's

12:50

unleashing Satan's army. I know

12:52

Jesus IRS and company not

12:55

want to bump into. No thanks. Probably

12:57

an empty threat but I'm no lawyer so

12:59

I'm not really sure. E-fax is one of

13:02

the services my company provides and at this

13:04

time it was relatively unknown so

13:06

I asked him if he has a fax machine. He

13:08

said he had a fax scanner copier

13:11

device and what law office doesn't have

13:13

a fax machine like talking down to

13:15

him. What a D bag and then I

13:18

suddenly got an idea. Okay

13:20

I said to him I'll put together

13:22

in fax everything I can.

13:24

Okay mother effer you

13:27

want three years of financials you

13:29

got it. I scanned

13:31

to PDF every receipt I could find.

13:33

A McDonald's receipt from five years ago?

13:35

F it. Won't hurt

13:38

to include it. CVS receipt? It's three

13:40

miles long. Perfect. They

13:43

get one dollar off toothpaste comp they

13:45

get one dollar off toothpaste coupons too.

13:48

Wow he's doing us such a favor. I know what

13:50

a guy. I downloaded every bank

13:53

statement, credit card statement, purchase orders from

13:55

vendors and every invoice I sent to

13:57

clients. I printed to PDF the

13:59

entire entire three-year accounting journal, monthly

14:02

quarterly annual balance sheets, cash flow

14:04

statements, profit and losses. Not only

14:06

did I PDF three years of

14:09

tax filings, but every single letter

14:11

I received from the IRS and

14:13

state tax agency, including the insert

14:16

advising me of my rights. It

14:19

took a while, but I was a few

14:21

days ahead of the deadline. I made a

14:23

cover page with black background with white lettering,

14:25

wherever I could basically waste all of it.

14:30

I included separator pages in all

14:33

caps in the biggest boldest font

14:35

that would fit on the page

14:38

in the landscape. 20

14:41

XX receipts, 20 XX taxes like

14:43

2019, 2018, etc. I

14:47

merged everything into a single

14:49

150 plus page compressed PDF

14:51

and sent the documents using

14:53

my eFAC system. Every

14:56

hour or so, I received a status

14:58

email saying the facts failed. Huh, that's

15:00

weird. Well, they're getting this

15:02

document. So I changed the system

15:04

configuration to unlimited retires after failures

15:06

to keep redialing it until it

15:09

went through. Weird, I

15:11

was still getting status email

15:13

failures. I'll delete the failure

15:15

emails and keep the

15:17

successful ones after it eventually goes through, I

15:19

thought. Problem solved. Two

15:22

days later, a lady from his office called

15:24

and asked me to stop sending the facts.

15:27

Their fact scanner printer

15:30

copier had been printing

15:32

nonstop 24 sevens and

15:35

kept getting paper jams, kept running out of

15:37

ink, and they had to keep shutting it

15:39

off and back on to print. I

15:42

explained to her sweetly, as sweetly

15:44

as I could, that her

15:46

boss told me to send this by the

15:48

deadline or else he would call the DA

15:50

and IRS. Since I didn't want

15:53

to call from the DA or the

15:55

IRS, I would keep sending until I

15:57

got a success confirmation. I suggested

15:59

they just print until my fax completes

16:02

but she didn't like that. She

16:05

asked me to email but that she asked

16:08

me to email the documents. I told a

16:10

little white lie that my email wouldn't allow

16:12

an attachment that big. Unless her

16:15

boss in writing agreed to cancel the

16:17

request or agreed to reimburse me for

16:19

my cost to print and ship, I

16:21

said I would continue to fax until

16:23

they confirm they have received every

16:26

single last page. I'm

16:29

sorry. I got

16:31

to applaud you. That is beautiful. It

16:33

is great. Alright, but what

16:35

is what is the response? She

16:38

put me on hold and the attorney gets on the line.

16:41

He said, forget sending the financials.

16:43

I said that I

16:45

would need this in writing so I will

16:48

keep sending the facts until he has said

16:50

that to me. That's right. He

16:52

asked me to stop faxing and he would send it

16:54

in writing and I said send it

16:57

in writing first and then I'll stop. There

16:59

we go. Long moment of

17:01

silence. After

17:05

20 minutes, I received an email

17:07

from his assistant with an attached signed

17:10

letter in PDF that I no longer

17:12

needed to provide financials. The letter then

17:14

threatened to pursue sanctions in court or

17:17

sue me for interfering with their business

17:19

for printing every single page 24-7. Every

17:23

time I saw him after that, the

17:25

lawyer never brought up any sanctions, lawsuits,

17:28

criminal referrals, or financials ever

17:30

again. That

17:32

is so beautiful.

17:34

We've all

17:37

had moments in our lives like kind of similar to that

17:39

where it's like, oh the tax thing

17:41

is wrong or like you need to like redo

17:43

this form or whatever and they're

17:46

like they just don't care. They're just like

17:48

nope this is what it is. The fact

17:50

that he got such sweet delicious revenge is

17:53

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17:55

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