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Hey friend, welcome back to the old fashioned on

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purpose podcast. So it's been

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quite a while since I've done a

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solo episode and

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I've been getting a lot of different questions through email

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and social media. So I decided it was

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high time for another Q

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and a. Episode. And today,

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just kind of based on the questions that came in when I asked

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over on Instagram and some of the things that have been coming

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in through email, this is a little bit more of a

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personal Q and A. I'm going to dive

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into some questions that I've been getting a

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lot that I haven't been answering on purpose,

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and I'll tell you why. So we're going to get down

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to the nitty gritty. It might get a little spicy,

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but I think it'll be good and hopefully

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interesting. So before I get into

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all of that, just a few little updates

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on my end. I'm not exactly

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sure when this will publish, but. Yes,

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yes, yes. The old fashioned on purpose planner

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is coming back for 2024.

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I'm thinking by the time this hits the

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air, the planner will be ready to

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order. So we will drop that link down in the show

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notes. At the time of the recording, we're just finishing

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up some last minute proofs and

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double checking, triple checking everything. We're

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doing it a little bit differently this year. As

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you know, normally we order thousands

1:11

of planners and have them

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come to our homestead on the back of a flatbed trailer.

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And then we have this whole process in our shop where we

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would like package them and ship them ourselves

1:20

this year, just with the state of our life.

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And just coming off the book lunch.

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book launch. I did not have the bandwidth to

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do that. It's a lot of work, a lot of customer

1:29

service, a lot of, a lot of everything.

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So I found a drop shipper this

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year. So I'm excited to be

1:36

able to work with them. This means you don't

1:38

have to pre order. And it means that

1:40

there's a little bit more flexibility and, drumroll

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please, we can actually ship to Canada,

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Australia, and Great Britain this year,

1:47

which generally has been extremely

1:49

difficult with the old method. So,

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a little bit different, but I'm excited. Like I said,

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we'll drop the link down in the show notes

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to the page so you can check out the planner

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and everything that's in it this year. The

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one big change with this new

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printer, we weren't able to put

2:05

a divider tab. I just want to be really up front

2:08

with you. I know you guys love the dividers that we had put

2:10

in for the sections. However,

2:12

it's pretty easy to get your own sticky tabs

2:14

and just stick them on the edge of the pages. So that

2:16

was a compromise, but I think overall

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it'll be a smoother process for both

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you and me. Also

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this episode is sponsored by Genuine Beef,

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which is my family's beef company

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the bundle. And I'll go ahead and drop that link

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down in the show notes as well.

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All right. Are we ready for this?

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I think I'm ready for this. I'm excited and a little nervous.

3:23

So I'm going to address

3:25

the elephant in the room right off the bat.

3:28

No sense saving this till the end. This

3:31

is a question I get a ton. It's a question

3:33

that sometimes rubs me the wrong way, if I'm perfectly

3:35

honest, when it comes in. And

3:37

that's a question that I almost never answer

3:40

because I feel like when it is asked,

3:42

it's just, it just comes off as

3:44

abrasive. So today I decided I

3:47

was getting it enough that I needed to address

3:49

it. So we're going to do that right

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now. The question is, what religion

3:53

are you? It's funny how this

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comes in and it always sets

3:58

me back a little bit because it's often from

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people. I don't know them from Adam. We have

4:02

no relationship. I don't even know if they've

4:04

ever commented on my stuff before,

4:06

you know, that I don't recognize them from social media

4:08

or whatever. And they just like kind of show up

4:10

in the middle of my DMS and we're like, what religion

4:12

are you? Are you a Christian? And it just feels weird.

4:15

It feels like a very personal question to ask someone.

4:17

So. I'd never answer them when

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that comes in like that, because I feel like

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that's a personal question for a stranger just to roll

4:24

up to another stranger and ask, but I wanted to address

4:26

it today because I know a lot of you are wondering.

4:28

So a little bit of background first, some

4:31

of, you know, this part of my story, some of you don't,

4:33

here's the, the condensed version

4:36

I was raised in. What

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many people consider to be a cult, right?

4:41

And up until a couple of years ago, it

4:43

was really hard to describe what that was like,

4:45

because it wasn't well known. Thankfully,

4:49

over the last couple of years, even

4:51

just the last year, actually six months, there

4:53

have been some documentaries and books

4:55

that have come out about the cult

4:57

that I was raised in that brought a lot

5:00

of. More clarity

5:02

and attention to it. So now it's much easier

5:04

for me to speak about it. Not, not because

5:06

it was necessarily hard for me to speak about it before

5:08

emotionally, but just like, it was really hard to explain,

5:11

but now I can just point people to these resources.

5:13

So I was raised in the IBLP.

5:17

Sect, the Institute of Basic Life

5:19

Principles, run by a man named Bill Gothard.

5:21

You know, three years ago, no one knew who he was,

5:23

now he's a little bit more well known. Thanks

5:26

to the documentary, Shiny Happy

5:28

People that is the same religious

5:30

sect that the Duggars of TLC

5:32

fame were a part of. I never knew the Duggars, but

5:35

it was the similar type of church

5:37

situation and religious situation.

5:40

And so there's been scandals

5:42

come out. Many scandals, of course

5:44

involving that religious sect in recent

5:46

years, but that's what I was raised in very strict

5:48

very legalistic, very confining.

5:51

And so we left that

5:53

church when I was about 15 years old. And

5:55

then I proceeded into evangelicalism

5:58

after that, as a young adult

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I was very much a rule follower as

6:02

a. Child and teenager and

6:05

young woman that might shock some of you because

6:07

I'm do not have that reputation nor do I

6:09

conduct myself in that way now, but I love

6:11

rules. I love checking off boxes. I love black

6:13

and white and I loved knowing exactly

6:16

where I stood and those

6:18

sorts of religions are very much.

6:21

Tailored to that sorts of personality,

6:23

or they either, you know, they either are tailored to

6:25

them or they force you to become

6:27

that, whether you like it or not. When

6:29

I turned 25, 26, I started

6:32

to finally listen

6:34

to the voice inside

6:36

the intuition, right? My conscious

6:39

that had been tapping me on the shoulder for a while and

6:41

was like, Hey, there's, there's more to it than

6:43

this. This isn't. this isn't quite right.

6:45

I was finally brave enough, mid twenties, to

6:48

start to listen to that and question. Prior

6:50

to that, and in those religious sects, and

6:52

in that brand of evangelicalism, questioning

6:54

is not allowed. There is one way to believe

6:57

in one way only, and that is

6:59

it. And so it wasn't that I even wanted

7:01

to ask questions then, but I couldn't. It was like, I didn't

7:03

even have questions enter my mind, really,

7:05

because I was so trained to not

7:07

question. And if you did question certain

7:09

things, It immediately tagged

7:12

you as a lukewarm

7:14

person or a backslider or a heretic

7:17

or whatever, right? It would flag you for

7:19

unwanted attention from your fellow parishioners.

7:21

And so I knew how to play the game very,

7:24

very well to keep myself under the radar

7:26

and just literally squash the

7:29

questions in my own brain. So that mid twenties

7:31

period for me was... I

7:33

would say one of the bravest things I ever did, somebody

7:36

on the podcast the other day, asked me, what's the bravest

7:38

thing you've ever done? And I, I answered it as that. And

7:40

I think it caught them off guard. They didn't know what to say. It

7:42

was, but truly leaving

7:45

the church and the religious conditioning

7:47

of my youth was the bravest thing I ever done. Cause my,

7:49

I ever did, excuse me, because my entire

7:51

identity was wrapped up in that.

7:54

So I started to read different books and I started to ask

7:56

better questions. And I started

7:58

to explore in ways I'd never explored before

8:01

which leads me to where I am today, right? 10,

8:04

12 years have passed,

8:06

lots of water under the bridge. And

8:08

so I'm very hesitant

8:12

in this. period of my life to

8:15

put myself under a category or a label

8:18

because categories and labels were

8:20

something that was the hallmark of

8:22

my belief system back then. And

8:25

for anyone who has come out of a controlling

8:27

religious environment or you know, the

8:30

term now is spiritual abuse or

8:32

those sort of mind control

8:34

groups, you know,

8:37

that there's a lot of stuff.

8:39

There's a lot of baggage and a lot of garbage that you have

8:42

to untangle in your own mind, in

8:44

your own self. And so I've been untangling for a while.

8:46

But that is why I'm really

8:48

skittish to put a label. Or

8:51

category on myself. Now I feel like

8:53

that's such a thing

8:55

that people like especially with the internet. But

8:57

even before that, it makes people comfortable to know exactly

9:00

where you stand. They want to know exactly

9:02

what label you are. They want to know if you are with them

9:04

or you are not with them. And I am,

9:06

I'm just, I just don't do that. I won't do that. And

9:09

there's a reason that I don't talk

9:11

about this a lot publicly because in

9:13

the past I have been pretty

9:16

aggressively attacked by, yeah. Those

9:18

proclaiming Christ, those who call themselves Christians

9:21

and especially those in the evangelical circle.

9:23

So my spiritual journey

9:26

is something that's very precious to me. It's very

9:28

sacred to me. I

9:30

am more at peace with where I am in

9:32

that realm of my life than

9:34

I ever have at any other point in

9:37

my existence. And it's not

9:39

something that I want to lay out for the whole internet

9:41

to critique and criticize

9:44

and attack me over. So I will say I'm not

9:46

an atheist. I believe in a higher power.

9:48

I'm very reticent to use any

9:51

sort of modern labeling for those things

9:53

because there's a lot of baggage attached to those

9:56

for me. I, I love

9:58

to explore. I love to ask questions. I love being curious.

10:00

And I think the biggest revelation of the last 10 years

10:02

for me is that God is so much

10:04

bigger. that I was ever allowed

10:06

to believe. And when I, when I

10:08

look at the churches around me, I, I just

10:10

want to say, what the, the one thing that just comes

10:12

to mind as I look at the people in those churches, I'm like,

10:15

God's bigger than what you think. He's so much

10:17

bigger and there's so much more

10:19

than this tiny box of religion. ThAt

10:22

we are so wrapped

10:25

up in as modern people.

10:27

So that's where I am. What religion

10:29

am I? I don't know. I don't

10:31

really want to put a label on myself. I

10:34

know what I believe. I know that I'm at peace

10:36

with it. But I don't feel like. having

10:38

it be fodder for the masses. And

10:41

often when I have tried to engage people online

10:44

or put up boundaries online about it, like people are just

10:46

nasty. Unfortunately, religious

10:48

people are some of the hardest people to talk with.

10:51

It also is, it makes me kind of an odd man

10:53

out in homestead circles because most

10:55

homesteaders are highly religious. Which

10:57

is fine. I don't have, I don't have a problem with that. That's

10:59

great. Right. I can totally. I

11:02

have lots of friends in those worlds. I can

11:04

hang out with that, with those people. That's

11:06

not a problem for me at all. As

11:08

long as people aren't going to pick

11:10

at me and pick at me and pick at me over not

11:13

fitting into the box they think I should fit into.

11:15

I won't go into a box ever again. That's just.

11:18

My resolution having come out

11:20

of a very restrictive box. So,

11:23

anyway, that's the answer, or

11:25

the non answer to that question, I suppose.

11:28

I would say if you're curious about the type

11:30

of world I was raised in, go watch

11:32

Shiny Happy People on Amazon Prime.

11:34

I think it's on Amazon Prime. I've heard people say

11:36

it's an exaggeration. It's not.

11:39

I can attest to that. It is not an exaggeration.

11:41

It is dead on. I've heard people say

11:44

that, oh, it was a hit piece against Christians.

11:46

And I'm like, no, I don't, I don't believe that at all. I think

11:48

it was actually crucial that that information

11:50

came out because it was hidden and hidden and

11:53

hidden for so many years. And it's important

11:55

that it come to light. So I think

11:58

for me, you know, you hear me talk about questioning

12:00

systems a lot and as, as homesteaders.

12:03

We'd love to talk about that. The most

12:05

popular episode I've ever produced on this podcast

12:09

is the one where I talk about opting out

12:11

of systems, right? That's been my

12:13

most popular one. But I think it's funny

12:15

that sometimes we can get so, you

12:17

know, into this idea of questioning the systems

12:19

and breaking free, but we hold on

12:21

to religious systems. And

12:23

guard them like a sacred cow. So I'm not

12:26

saying that you should leave your religion, or you should not

12:28

go to church, or you should not believe any of those things, I'm not

12:30

saying that at all. Everyone's on their own journey.

12:33

But I invite you to ask questions of that. You're asking

12:36

questions of the government, authoritarian

12:38

structure. Ask questions about

12:40

your church authority structure. Ask

12:42

about where this belief came from. Why

12:44

do I believe this? Am I just believing something

12:46

that was given to me by my parents or a tradition,

12:49

like, where did this come from? Does it resonate

12:51

with me? Does it, you know, does it make sense? Like. I

12:54

would just inspire you as you ask questions of

12:56

all the systems, make sure that you're asking questions

12:58

about those as well. And maybe you'll

13:01

come to the same conclusion that you've had before,

13:03

that you're in the right place, that you're at peace with that. And

13:05

that's awesome. But yeah, anyway,

13:08

there is a, a long rambly

13:11

answer to that one. And some

13:13

of you may be. Some of you may be happy to

13:15

hear that. Some of you may be disturbed to

13:17

hear that. Some of you may be surprised,

13:19

but that's the truth. So there

13:21

we are. All right, next question. Woo. What

13:25

homeschool curriculum do you use? So we're going

13:27

from the spicy one to not so

13:29

spicy. All right. So I get this question a lot. It's another

13:31

one that I often don't answer if it comes in my

13:33

DMs, not because I don't

13:36

want to answer it. It's just not an easy answer.

13:38

So for me to type out 16 paragraphs. Woo. Woo.

13:40

Woo. In a DM is just hard. So

13:43

I have multiple blog posts and multiple podcast

13:46

episodes over the years where I've given lists of

13:48

our curriculum. The reason it's complicated

13:50

to share is because I don't use an

13:52

out of the box curriculum. I have never

13:55

found a single type or

13:57

brand of curriculum that just works for all the subjects.

14:00

I was homeschooled, some of you know that. And

14:02

my mom never found that magic. I've only

14:04

had one box curriculum and I haven't either. So

14:06

I've really had to pick and choose according

14:08

to my kids strengths or their

14:10

weaknesses. So as

14:13

of today, fall

14:15

2023, we are using

14:18

Math Mammoth which is a really simple

14:20

curriculum, but I really like it. We were using

14:22

Saxon before that. I don't

14:24

feel like Saxon was strenuous

14:26

enough to get them to where I wanted them to

14:28

be. And Math Mammoth is

14:30

a little more strenuous, strenuous without being.

14:33

Crazy intense. I like

14:35

learning language arts through literature. We're

14:38

kind of our all encompassing literature program,

14:41

but then I also do daily grams

14:44

And all about spelling in

14:46

with that because I just feel like they I really

14:48

want my kids to spell well It's important to me.

14:50

And so I just want to make sure we're covering that For

14:53

writing I kind of do a mixture

14:56

learning language arts for literature has some writing exercises

14:59

Sometimes I feel like they're a little busy worky, but we just

15:01

will skip them if we don't feel like they resonate

15:04

I have used IEW, the

15:06

Institute for Excellence in Writing over

15:08

the years on and off. I

15:11

have a love hate relationship with it. It's actually the

15:13

curriculum that my mom used with me. I actually had

15:15

classes with Andrew Poudoi in person as

15:17

a child. It was good for

15:20

me. I'm a different personality than

15:22

my kids, and I feel like it

15:24

has sort of made my kids sort of I absolutely

15:26

hate writing, so I don't

15:28

use it to its full intensity

15:31

because it's a lot. I like

15:33

that it teaches structure. I like that it teaches the dress

15:35

ups. I like that it teaches good vocabulary,

15:38

but I find I like to bring a little

15:40

bit of that in, in and out. Otherwise, they get really

15:42

resentful of writing. For

15:46

my third born, who is in second grade this

15:48

year, we've been using Explode the Code for phonics

15:50

and learning how to read. That's been good. For

15:53

science, we've been doing good in the beautiful.

15:56

I really like their studies. We did one last

15:58

year and then we did we're

16:01

doing two this year, weather and,

16:03

uh, physics kind of this year, but

16:06

man, a lot of the science. Curriculums

16:09

in the past, I've really struggled.

16:11

I think the one I tried two years ago was beautiful

16:13

feet. Like I did their inventor study, which

16:15

was okay, but there were just pieces.

16:18

I feel like we're not put together well, and

16:20

they had this us born or maybe

16:22

I think it was an us born, like. Experiment book,

16:24

which the experiments were horrendously put together,

16:26

not well thought out that a lot of didn't

16:29

work. And the book was the

16:31

good, the beautiful feedback, which is kind of like picking and choosing

16:33

random experiments. And it just didn't feel like it

16:35

had a lot of cohesiveness. But good and the beautiful

16:37

is not like that their experiments work. It's

16:39

very well done. It's engaging, and the kids really like

16:41

it. And then for

16:44

history, we have done some

16:46

like story of the world kind of read alouds.

16:48

But I find the best thing for us is every

16:50

day the kids read for 30 minutes. aNd

16:54

I usually just have them do really solid historical

16:56

fiction during that time. So they kind of have that

16:58

living history book, and they

17:00

love that. My kids, honestly, both

17:03

of them actually will pick historical fiction

17:06

or biographies over any other type

17:08

of genre. Like they, I've tried to get them to

17:10

do like different fantasy books or,

17:12

or fiction books and they're like, nope, I just want historical

17:15

biographies or, or historical fiction.

17:17

I'm like, okay, weird, but awesome. So I'm

17:19

not going to complain about that. So that's

17:22

our curriculum right now. It

17:24

does change. I'll swap things out depending

17:26

on how I feel a child

17:28

is doing or if they need more in one area. So

17:31

it's kind of a moving target, but that is what.

17:34

We do. Okay. This question

17:36

is a good one. Are you sending your kids

17:38

to the charter school? So a lot of,

17:40

you know, we helped start a project based

17:42

charter school in our area this year.

17:45

Christian is actually the CEO, which is

17:47

a weird, long story that

17:49

is crazy, but I plan

17:51

to have him on here soon,

17:53

hopefully probably next season, actually. And we'll

17:55

do a tell all of that process. Cause there's

17:58

been a lot of curiosity around that, like how

18:00

to entrepreneurs. homeschooling

18:02

entrepreneurs started, helped to start

18:04

a charter school. We didn't do it all ourselves by any means.

18:07

And then why he's now working there nine

18:09

to five for the time being, it's a weird story,

18:11

but cool and awesome. So

18:14

what we're doing with our kids is I am sending,

18:16

we are sending our oldest to the charter school. She is

18:18

in eighth grade. We liked

18:20

that it, of course, I mean, we're highly involved

18:23

in every bit of it. So. We

18:25

had a lot of say in how

18:27

it was formatted. It's four days a week, which I

18:29

like we know all the teachers. There's a lot

18:31

of projects. There's a lot of cool things happening. She's

18:33

a kid who needed a little more social,

18:35

especially she's getting older, right? When they're

18:38

younger, I feel like it's pretty easy to

18:40

just have them be home with you doing stuff around the homestead.

18:42

And that's awesome. And I love that. I think

18:44

that's healthy and wonderful, you know,

18:46

but now she's junior high, almost in high school.

18:48

And she's like, Hey, I kind of want to be, I want to see

18:51

friends. I want to like be in. society

18:53

a little bit more, and I respect that. I think that's also

18:55

important for her development. So we

18:57

were trying to see if this would be an option for her

19:00

to have a little more social activities and also

19:03

get some different input on those

19:05

higher subjects, you know She has

19:07

a history teacher who is so lit up about history.

19:10

It's fantastic. And they're doing American

19:12

government this year. And I love that

19:14

he's able to teach her those concepts because

19:16

I would never, he'd like literally jumps up and down and gets

19:18

excited over the constitution. And I appreciate

19:21

the constitution, but I don't jump up and down. and get

19:23

excited over it, right? So I love that she's able to learn

19:25

some subjects like that from really passionate

19:27

people. I think that's magical.

19:29

There are things that I still don't love,

19:32

not about the, not necessarily about the charter

19:34

school, right? But just about the

19:36

format in general. I wish it wasn't

19:38

eight to three. I don't like her being gone

19:41

four days a week. That kind of

19:43

bothers me, but I like some

19:45

of the other things that are coming as a result.

19:48

And in terms of a school

19:51

system, it's a pretty dang good one. Like,

19:53

it's pretty cool. It's pretty unique. I love the people

19:55

there. It's well run. And yeah,

19:58

so that's where we're at this year. Will she continue

20:00

on with that all

20:02

the way through high school? I don't know yet. We're still kind of taking

20:04

this on a year to year basis. If we did

20:06

have her come back home, it wouldn't be because we weren't happy

20:08

with the school. Because again, the school is fantastic.

20:11

If anybody's in the Southeast Wyoming area

20:13

and you're thinking of sending your kids there, like, I

20:15

can't say enough good about it. It just more,

20:18

if, will it continue to fit with our unique

20:20

lifestyle? I don't know. We'll see. So

20:22

that's where we're at for now. We are keeping

20:24

our two youngest ones at home again,

20:27

not because I don't think the charter school is a great

20:29

option but just because my

20:32

middle child is very much

20:34

into building and creating, and

20:36

I think it would stifle him to be in

20:38

any sort of classroom environment for the majority

20:40

of the day. That would be hard on him. And

20:43

then my youngest, I'm like, well, I can get

20:45

her reading, I can get her going, and then maybe we'll send

20:47

them later. Depending on how things go.

20:49

So there's, again, another convoluted answer. But

20:52

we're sending one child to the charter school, two are at home for

20:54

now, and we're just going to play it by ear as

20:56

the years progress. All

20:59

right, next question. If you could move to Hawaii,

21:01

would you stay in Wyoming or move to

21:04

Hawaii? That's a fun one. Believe

21:06

it or not, I'm not just saying this, I would

21:08

100 percent stay in Wyoming. I would not

21:10

move to Hawaii or any, actually,

21:12

any tropical location. You could not

21:15

pay me. Don't take this wrong for any of you living in these states.

21:17

You could not pay me to move to Florida, Texas,

21:19

California, or the South. I know that's the

21:21

desirable area. I know that's where

21:23

everyone wants to move because it's warm and

21:25

temperate. I don't want to live where it's

21:27

warm and temperate 24

21:30

7, 365. I want to live where it's

21:32

untamed and wild and

21:34

sometimes brutal. I love winter. I

21:37

love the challenge of living on the prairie.

21:39

I love the brutal beauty of the prairie.

21:42

I like the cold. I like the dark, so

21:44

maybe I'm weird and twisted. But yeah,

21:46

I wouldn't move to Hawaii for a million dollars. I'd

21:49

stay here in good old southeast Wyoming

21:51

where the wind blows all the time. do

21:54

you still sell doTERRA? Kind

21:57

of, yes. I still have a team. I still

21:59

have an active account. If you wanted to

22:01

buy doTERRA under me, you could. I'm not

22:03

actively promoting or marketing it anymore.

22:07

The products are still great. We still have them in our

22:09

home and use them for various things. I

22:11

just, you know, it was, I think it was like about 2019

22:14

or 2020 where

22:16

my business and brand

22:19

started to really take off and it became harder and harder

22:21

to have a different product,

22:23

like someone else's product, if you will, be

22:25

the forefront of what I was promoting

22:28

it just felt more authentic to

22:30

be sharing the things that I was creating. And that's

22:32

really where my passion was. So man,

22:35

though, I'm so thankful for what doTERRA did for us

22:37

in those early years, I don't know if you guys. Haven't

22:40

been following me for very long. You

22:42

know, doTERRA was a really big part of. I

22:47

learned so many business skills, personal

22:49

development skills through doTERRA, had a lot

22:51

of success in sharing the oils

22:53

with others. doTERRA paid for a lot of our homestead

22:56

projects early on. And so, so,

22:59

so glad that was a part of my journey. It's just not as

23:01

big of a focus for me right now. How

23:05

much do you still ride horses?

23:08

A lot. And I'm happy to say that

23:10

I'm riding them now more than I have been in,

23:12

in previous years. So

23:14

I had to take a break when I

23:16

was having the babies and building the businesses.

23:19

There was a period from like 2011 to 2017

23:25

where I didn't ride that much. I had horses, but I just

23:27

was riding very minimally. And I,

23:29

you know, I think that kind of had to be that way for a while.

23:31

'cause I had to get the businesses off the ground. I needed to

23:33

get them stable and I was pregnant or nursing

23:35

a lot of that time, which you can ride when you're

23:37

pregnant in nursing. It's just not as easy. Right.

23:39

And it's also harder to go ride with friends when you need

23:41

babysitters for, or a babysitter for three

23:44

small children. But I entered

23:46

into the horse world kind of with

23:48

a bang in 2017

23:51

when I bought my mayor

23:53

Kate. She passed away last year.

23:55

And she got me back into it. So

23:57

yeah, now I haven't been showing this

23:59

past year. I was doing ranch horse versatility

24:02

before that, but we've been hosting horsemanship

24:04

clinics here at our house. I've been doing more

24:06

ranch work horseback. Yeah, this summer

24:08

I rode pretty much every day. We

24:10

got a couple of new, we got, we got, got a new horse, I

24:12

guess, not two, just one, one new horse

24:15

been working with him. I have my colt

24:17

who's not a colt anymore, but he's coming along really

24:19

nicely. I've been learning a ton. Yeah,

24:21

so I've been riding a lot lately and it makes me so

24:23

happy and I

24:25

really feel like I came full circle.

24:27

The horses brought me to Wyoming, the horses got me

24:29

into homesteading, and now I'm coming back.

24:32

And I, I have a feeling that over the

24:35

upcoming years, they're going to be a bigger

24:37

and bigger part of my life again, and it feels...

24:39

Really, really good. I also

24:42

kind of had some unfinished learning,

24:44

a lot of unfinished learning actually

24:46

in the realm of horsemanship that I had started

24:49

back in my early twenties, mid twenties, and then I had to

24:51

put on the back burner. And so I'm really happy

24:53

to be. Opening up that

24:56

box again and getting questions

24:58

answered that I never had answered before and figuring

25:00

things out and getting more into the horse psychology

25:02

and it's really rewarding. So makes me

25:04

happy. Okay. If

25:06

you could serve anything you wanted at your restaurant,

25:09

what would it be? Oh man,

25:12

a lot of things. So I

25:14

think the hardest part about the

25:16

restaurant for me is I

25:19

wish it could be 100 percent

25:21

locally raised. Okay. all

25:23

organic, like

25:26

perfectly sourced food, right? In

25:28

a, in a, in a perfect world, that's what it would be.

25:31

However, there are limitations when you have

25:33

a tiny restaurant, a million miles from

25:36

huge population centers, right? Not a million miles,

25:38

but it's, it's, you know, kind of out in the middle of nowhere. We're

25:40

off in interstate, but still, also,

25:43

I have to consider the demographic of who

25:45

comes to the restaurant, and these are not people

25:48

who are often interested

25:50

in ultra organic ingredients,

25:53

nor are willing to pay for that, and

25:55

that kind of goes with our locals as well, for our

25:57

locals as well, so I have to keep that all in mind

25:59

as I'm Formulating the menu

26:02

right there, it's a burger and fries

26:04

sort of joint. As we've taken,

26:07

as we took ownership and as we've revamped the menu,

26:09

I was able to swap out a lot

26:11

of the bad ingredients for better ones. Right?

26:14

We got rid of a lot of the flavored syrups and

26:16

used real fruit instead. We got rid of

26:18

this pink slime, horrible ground beef

26:20

that they were using, and we use our real grass

26:22

finished beef that we raised here just a few miles

26:25

down the road. We, we did a lot of

26:27

swaps like that, making homemade soups, right?

26:29

Things from scratch and, you know, biscuits from scratch

26:31

instead of buying the ones. But there are

26:33

still some limitations, like one that bothers me a lot,

26:36

if I'm perfectly honest, is we have

26:38

a conventional fryer and we

26:40

have to use conventional oil to fry the

26:42

fries. And I've thought of

26:45

so much about how I could work around that, cause I

26:47

don't love that. I don't like

26:49

vegetable oils. You guys have heard me rant about

26:51

those oils, but at

26:53

a restaurant like this, when people expect to have

26:55

fries, they want to have fries. And.

26:58

There's not an easy, affordable way

27:00

for me to fry fries in

27:02

something that's not regular fryer oil. I've looked at

27:05

beef tallow. I've looked at coconut oil. I've looked at all sorts

27:07

of different options. I've even priced out commercial air

27:09

fryers, which are outrageously

27:11

expensive. And any of those

27:13

options are either almost impossible to source,

27:15

or I'd have to increase the price

27:18

of the french fries so much it would be ridiculous. So

27:20

I have some of those sticking points for me. I'm still trying

27:22

to find solutions, but in

27:24

a perfect world, I would love to

27:26

be perfectly homemade, organic

27:28

food there every single

27:30

day, but we're kind of at a compromise point. So

27:33

it's one of those situations where you kind of have

27:35

to know your audience and know who your customers

27:37

are. And yeah, so

27:40

that's what I would do differently if I could. How

27:43

to pursue business as a mom without letting your

27:45

kids feel left behind. That's

27:48

a good question. I think for me,

27:51

it's been, well, first off, it's been really important for me

27:54

to have something

27:56

that's mine in the midst

27:58

of motherhood. And I, that can be a little bit of a controversial

28:01

statement. We have this idea,

28:04

I think in modern parenting circles that you literally

28:07

have to stop being an individual when you have

28:09

children. I do not subscribe

28:11

to that. I do not. And

28:13

I see a lot of really miserable parents.

28:17

As a result of that belief. I don't believe that's

28:19

how it was supposed to be. I'm still

28:21

a whole person. I'm still an individual and

28:23

I'm a mom. And I really

28:25

believe that my kids are better off

28:27

when they see me being an

28:29

individual and chasing my own goals

28:31

and desires rather than just only

28:34

existing to drive them to their

28:36

hobbies and activities, right? So I've, I've

28:38

held onto that. For as

28:40

long as I've been a mom and I still maintain that

28:43

however. It can be a juggling act

28:45

when you're pursuing something like a business

28:47

and also raising kids. And so I

28:50

think the biggest piece is I try to

28:52

bring the kids along as much as possible.

28:54

So they're pretty intimately aware of what's happening

28:56

in our businesses. So it's not like I'm sequestering

28:58

myself off to do business stuff.

29:01

And then Making them just stay off by

29:03

themselves, right? There's definitely times where I'm in the office

29:05

doing things, but usually when I'm in here doing things,

29:07

they're happy to be creating or playing

29:10

or entertaining themselves because we've just spent some

29:12

time together doing homeschool or working

29:14

together or whatever. And so since

29:17

they were little I've always. Maintain

29:20

that I'm not here just to entertain them.

29:22

I expect them to entertain themselves and

29:25

create and come up with their own ideas. I think that's really

29:27

important. And so they're used

29:29

to that. And we kind of

29:32

Coke, we create in tandem next

29:34

to each other. And it's pretty cool. Like they know mom's creating

29:36

her thing and they're creating their things as long as we come

29:38

to create together, but they've been pretty

29:40

involved in each step of

29:42

the business process with us. Like

29:44

they've been intimately. every

29:47

bit of work we've done at the Soda Fountain. They

29:50

help with the beef businesses. They

29:52

have helped me video things and edit

29:55

things when we were shipping planners

29:57

out of the shop every year.

29:59

They packaged a ton of those planners.

30:01

They actually, I'm not making this up. They were upset.

30:04

They were disappointed this year when I told them we were drop

30:06

shipping. Cause you're like, mom, planner season is

30:08

so fun. And I'm like, you guys are crazy,

30:10

but I love it. So I think just

30:12

making sure your business. Is bringing

30:15

them along for the ride as much as possible is

30:17

crucial. What's

30:19

your favorite junk food or fast food? French

30:22

fries. I do love french fries.

30:24

Good ones with ketchup. And

30:26

yes, I know they are often fried, just like we talked

30:28

about, in bad oils. But

30:30

it is a compromised food, so I do eat them

30:32

on occasion, without guilt. What

30:35

is one skill you don't have that you wish you

30:37

did? Roping. That is my

30:40

number one goal in life right

30:42

now. To learn how to rope before

30:44

next year's branding season. And

30:46

I'm not really good at it. I'm actually pretty bad.

30:48

So I have a lot of work to do. My horse

30:51

puts up with me learning and whacking him in the face

30:53

with the rope, but I have wanted

30:55

to rope forever. It's something I told

30:57

myself that maybe I couldn't do or it wasn't

30:59

for me. And I decided this past

31:01

year, I'm like, that's a ridiculous story to tell yourself

31:04

and you can rope. So that's what we're working

31:06

on. And I'm going to be. I

31:08

Can actually rope something and feel semi

31:11

confident about my skill

31:13

level because I feel like that's a long ways off,

31:15

but I'm going to keep working on it. nExt

31:18

question. You have a lot of passion for what you

31:20

do. Did you always have this

31:23

much fire? Yeah, I actually.

31:26

Have honestly, I've

31:28

always had an obsessive personality.

31:31

I've always had that a type, type A, if you will,

31:33

whatever that means, personality that people call me

31:35

all the time. I don't even know where that came from. Is that a book

31:37

or something? Are there any people

31:40

that are type Bs? Is that a thing? I

31:42

don't know. Anyway, rabbit trail. Yeah

31:44

I've always been obsessed which

31:47

has been weird to navigate over the years because

31:49

I've gotten criticism for

31:51

it from friends and sometimes family and people

31:53

don't understand it. Especially in

31:55

women or, or being a girl

31:58

or a woman who is so

32:00

prone to being obsessed and ultra driven,

32:02

it's not as common. So

32:04

for a while I thought there was something wrong with me. I've

32:06

tried to tone it down over the years. I physically cannot

32:08

tone it down. I cannot, it, it is bad

32:11

for me to tone it down. I recently read a

32:13

book that made me feel a lot

32:15

better about it. It's called Driven. I

32:17

don't remember the name of the author,

32:20

but we can put it in the show notes as a red cover.

32:22

And he talked about how there's just

32:25

a percentage of the population with the type of brain

32:27

that I have. And he talked about why

32:29

it is that way. And the chemicals

32:31

that are happening in the brain or the chemicals

32:33

that are being released in the brain during these

32:35

times of obsession and, and

32:37

passion and achievement. And

32:39

it was like such a breath of fresh

32:41

air to know that I'm not the

32:43

only one. And to actually

32:45

understand what was happening in my brain when

32:48

I just become so wildly focused

32:51

on different projects. So, uh,

32:53

I know not everyone has my same personality, but

32:55

I will say, I think if you do want to be successful

32:57

at something, business, a sport,

33:00

a skill, a hobby you got to be obsessed

33:02

in your own way. You have to become obsessed. I, I

33:04

saw a quote the other day that said, Something

33:07

like paraphrasing here, interested people,

33:09

watch obsessed people change

33:11

the world. I don't see

33:13

a lot of big action

33:15

coming from dabblers. It

33:18

takes someone who is willing to latch on

33:20

to whatever they're passionate about. I don't care if it's knitting,

33:22

I don't care if it's sourdough bread. I don't care if it's building websites,

33:26

horsemanship, whatever. You've gotta latch onto

33:28

it and literally not let go. You

33:30

just gotta hang on for dear life. So. Yes,

33:33

I was born like this. It's a blessing

33:35

and a curse, but mostly I'm really thankful to

33:37

have this weird, crazy driven

33:40

brain. It's Help me get

33:42

a lot of the things I want in life. So that's a good thing.

33:45

All right. How do your kids feel about your

33:47

lifestyle and homesteading? They

33:49

like it. I feel like every time people

33:52

ask me this, like, I wish I could give something

33:55

that feels a little more like gritty, but

33:57

truly they like it now. Will

33:59

they always like it? I don't know. So far so good.

34:01

My oldest is 13 and she swears up and down.

34:03

Like this is what she wants out of life, you know, to live

34:06

close to the land and animals and

34:08

to grow your own food. I'm not going to hold them to

34:10

that if they decide to move away and do

34:12

other things someday, but they

34:14

like it. They don't resent it. Are

34:17

there days where they don't want to do their chores? Sure. But

34:20

they're pretty passionate about it. And I think just

34:22

because over the years, we've tried to explain

34:25

the why as we've taught them the

34:27

how. So they understand the

34:29

importance of, you know, why we're growing

34:31

the food. Why we're careful about what

34:33

we put in our bodies why I cook

34:35

from scratch, we talk about dopamine.

34:38

We talk about how their body is

34:40

going to reward them for doing the hard things.

34:42

We talk about the benefits of moving our bodies, why

34:44

it's important to get lots of protein and why it's important to

34:46

not have a blue light in your eyes at

34:48

night. Like we've, we've just brought them along

34:50

for the ride as we've learned these different pieces

34:53

and they've just taken them as their own.

34:55

So again, I don't know where they'll end up, but. Yeah. They

34:57

do, they do like it. And it's really rewarding

35:00

to see them grow in their awareness

35:02

and their appreciation for the lifestyle. Next

35:05

question, more kids, new farm animals,

35:08

new business ventures. What's next?

35:11

Good question. I

35:13

don't know, which is hard for me to say

35:15

that because. I always know, I've

35:17

always known, and right now I don't know

35:19

what's next. And I'm also at

35:21

peace with that. I feel like I'm supposed

35:23

to go into a season of rest for

35:26

the next couple months? I

35:28

don't know, we'll see. Every time I say that, some other big project

35:31

just like, roars into my life,

35:33

so we'll see. But No more kids.

35:35

We're done having kids. I don't have plans to get more

35:37

farm animals. I'm kind of out of that stage

35:40

of needing to add one of everything

35:42

to the homestead. I feel like that's a stage we all go through as

35:44

homesteaders and now I'm like, eh. I know what I like.

35:46

I know what I have. I'm not feeling

35:48

the urge to go crazy. I don't have a big

35:50

new business venture on the horizon. We are

35:52

looking at, this is very

35:54

much early in the process, we're looking

35:57

at a property not to move to.

35:59

Not necessarily a business property. A

36:01

different kind of property. With some potential.

36:04

So I'm excited about where that will lead,

36:06

but it's not going to be one of those things we'll just

36:08

dive into and just hit the ground running. And

36:11

I'll tell you more about that if it works

36:13

out. So, yeah, I don't

36:15

know, I'm, I'm filling a call

36:17

to rest and recharge

36:19

and regroup and see what happens. I know

36:21

when I give my brain that space and

36:23

I create that margin, I usually get the very

36:25

best ideas but I haven't had margin for

36:27

a while. We went from... An intense

36:29

summer with a soda fountain and horsemanship

36:32

clinic and fair into

36:35

book launch. And

36:37

now I'm post book launch and I'm feeling a little

36:39

bit fatigued and I know I just need that space

36:41

to think. Do

36:44

you feel disheartened with the world?

36:47

Do you worry a lot? I

36:49

don't worry a lot. Sometimes

36:51

I do, like, feel anxious. Like,

36:53

for example, I had that episode. I

37:01

think you would think that, it is. He's

37:08

dead. It and cannot and he shared how he sometimes

37:10

feels I don't know. I think that

37:12

one of the biggest triggers for that is being

37:15

so involved in our little community, which I talk about,

37:18

you know, and rave about. And I

37:20

do believe that being involved in community is

37:22

important. It's also hard

37:24

to rub shoulders with people who

37:26

are so different and have chosen very different

37:28

paths in life. And you, I'm

37:30

trying to say this delicately, you see where those paths have taken

37:32

them and there's not a lot of hope, and there's not a lot

37:34

of options for them,

37:37

and it's hard to be seeing

37:40

that up front and close and personal

37:42

on a regular basis, and

37:44

it's sometimes hard for my mind to wrap around

37:46

how. And it's about, you know, literally we live 10 miles

37:49

from this little town how my life can

37:51

be one way and their life can be another

37:53

way and we're only 10 miles apart. Like, it's almost

37:55

like we live on different planets. so

37:57

When I get thinking about that too much,

38:00

I do get disheartened and I want

38:02

to help people see things

38:04

and make better choices and pull themselves

38:06

up. It's hard

38:08

and there's a lot of different factors there and

38:10

I can't always fix it and I want to fix it

38:12

right and I can't. So sometimes that bothers

38:15

me. But I go back and forth, I guess.

38:19

What do you think life will look like when the kids

38:21

are grown? That's a good question.

38:24

I wonder that a lot, too. I

38:27

expect, I want, I will want

38:29

to have a really active role

38:31

in their adult lives. Our

38:33

parents haven't been able to do that, Christian and I's parents.

38:36

And I want that to be different for our kids. So I don't know if

38:38

I would necessarily move to them, but I plan

38:40

on, you know, if they're buying businesses

38:43

or renovating things or creating

38:45

or growing or whatever, I want to be able to help

38:47

them with that on a regular basis. And

38:51

I don't know, I don't know what it'll look like, but I

38:53

know that I won't just be sitting

38:55

around. I don't plan to ever retire in the traditional

38:57

sense. Why would I love what I do? I'm

39:00

always finding passion in what I do. I

39:02

imagine we'll be volunteering

39:04

more, mentoring more, creating more, building

39:06

more. Yeah, but, I don't know.

39:09

I, I, I don't know what it'll look like, but I'm excited

39:12

to see where we end up. How

39:14

did you know when you were done having kids? That's

39:17

a good question. I

39:19

just had a sense it was complete.

39:21

Although I don't know, maybe, maybe

39:24

this is just me. Maybe all women can relate.

39:26

There was always a question like, well, what if we had one more,

39:28

right? I don't know if that question will ever

39:30

completely go away, but I just felt a sense

39:32

of, okay, this is, this is good. And I, maybe

39:34

that's different for every person. But that brings

39:37

me to my next question. How did you survive morning

39:39

sickness in homesteading? Not very

39:41

well. It was brutal. Every

39:44

once in a while I'll have someone message me

39:46

and they're like, What are your tips for homesteading

39:48

during morning sickness? And I'm like, I don't know. I

39:50

literally laid on the couch and ate, you know, It's horrible

39:52

food, because I couldn't keep anything down.

39:55

So it was rough. That was the one

39:57

period of my life when I got

39:59

so depressed during the first trimester.

40:01

Like I don't, I'm not prone to depression. I didn't have postpartum

40:04

depression, but I was like literally depressed, I

40:06

think because the hormones were just so out of whack. And

40:08

I wondered if I'd ever snap out of it and I would just

40:10

lay there and languish on the couch and I couldn't

40:13

eat anything and I was always nauseated. So if

40:15

you're trying to homestead and I

40:17

baby at the same time. Give yourself some grace. Like

40:20

it's okay. If you don't put the garden in

40:22

during that season and you don't get much done and you're not

40:24

cooking. It's okay. Just

40:26

to survive, get through it and life will get

40:28

better. I promise. I was always

40:31

so relieved. When

40:33

I had the baby. I was born just

40:36

because I'm like, I'm not pregnant anymore. I just was never

40:38

one of those women who basked

40:40

in pregnancy. I know a lot of women do. They

40:42

glow. I just was big and

40:45

sick and miserable. So it's

40:47

rough. That was maybe a little bit of the factor

40:49

is because the morning sickness

40:51

was so hard on me. Three felt

40:53

like enough for us. This

40:55

question, I just had to include it from Dawn.

40:58

Does it affect you when commenters don't

41:00

load their brains before they shoot their mouths?

41:03

I laughed at that Dawn. Sometimes it affects

41:05

me most of the time. It

41:07

doesn't, I've learned to just shine it on every

41:09

once in a while, someone will leave a comment and I just

41:11

will be like, Oh, they're so wrong. I just have to reply.

41:14

And that never ends well. So I've just learned over the years

41:16

to really not do that very much. Most

41:18

of the time people just say things, just

41:20

ignorant things. Just lack

41:22

of common sense, lack of thinking, lack of empathy.

41:25

And so you can just kind of ignore it. I

41:27

think one of the most frustrating instances of this

41:29

recently was on that viral

41:31

Instagram reel I did. About

41:34

why we stopped watching TV for three months, like

41:36

because it went viral, it exposed me to

41:38

a whole group of people who don't know

41:40

anything about homesteading or my story. And they were

41:42

so nasty, like so nasty.

41:44

And when they were like personally, when they were like

41:46

personally attacking my children and

41:48

saying horrible things about my children, like that

41:51

made my hackles stand up. And I mean, I would be

41:53

like, I'm going to answer them in Christians. Like, don't, don't,

41:55

don't, don't. But yeah. Most of the time I can ignore

41:57

it. So I've learned over the years, you just kind of develop

42:00

a thick skin and laugh and move on.

42:04

Will you ever come back to YouTube?

42:07

Probably not. Probably not

42:09

regularly. And I, I feel bad

42:11

because every time I'm at a conference, people come up

42:13

to me and they're like, I love your videos, and

42:15

I'm so appreciative for everyone who watches the videos,

42:18

but honestly, I don't love YouTube.

42:21

I really didn't like the process of making

42:23

videos. I hated editing videos, and

42:25

it was, I mean, an additional probably

42:27

12 hours a week of work, and

42:29

it was just so hard to keep up with. So

42:32

I know that there's a huge homesteading audience over

42:34

there. I know it would make sense for me to have homesteading

42:36

videos. But man, I just could never get in the

42:38

groove. It's, it's such, I feel like if you're going

42:40

to do YouTube well, you almost have to devote your energies

42:43

to just that platform because you got to figure out all

42:45

the ins and outs and the algorithms in

42:47

order to get people to watch your videos

42:49

and to get YouTube to show your videos to

42:51

the, the crowd, you have to do

42:53

so much behind the scenes work. Like, it's

42:55

not as simple as just, Oh, I'm going to do a video

42:57

on bread today. Here's my bread video. Like you have

42:59

to make hooks and thumbnails and craft

43:01

it. And there's a lot of Heavy

43:04

lifting mentally, and it was just too much

43:06

with the rest of my life. And the other piece of that

43:08

is I do a lot of computer work, you know, with this

43:10

podcast and writing the books and creating the content

43:12

that when I do go outside and do a project or

43:14

I go into the kitchen, that is kind of my

43:16

reward for the day. That is where I get to,

43:19

to use a different part of my brain,

43:21

get back in touch with my body and just be a

43:23

normal human. And. It

43:26

was kind of a bummer to have to go in like,

43:28

okay, I'm going to do the project, but I have to bring the camera and

43:30

you have to switch the camera angles every two seconds

43:32

and be thinking about the shots and the light and the

43:34

wind noise. And I stopped enjoying

43:37

the projects themselves when I was filming.

43:39

So anyway, that's my whiny, whiny

43:41

answer. I so admire people who are consistent

43:44

on YouTube who are able to keep producing

43:46

there. It's just not a fit for my

43:48

personality. Was

43:50

there ever a time, this is our last question, by the way, was there

43:52

ever a time you wanted to give up homesteading?

43:56

No, actually, there

43:58

have been times when I wanted to give up other

44:01

things like owning

44:03

a restaurant or starting a charter school. Homesteading

44:06

is the one thing. There have been hard times. There have

44:08

been times that I didn't enjoy. But

44:10

I have wanted this lifestyle

44:13

so badly for the entirety

44:15

of my life that walking away

44:17

from it or living a different way has never been an option.

44:19

Like I can't fathom anything else. Every

44:22

once in a while I'll have a dream where

44:24

I'll be... like somehow find myself

44:27

living in a place like

44:29

an apartment or in town or

44:32

I had a dream a couple times where I would

44:34

have gone back to college for some reason in the dream,

44:36

right? And I was living in the dorms as a married

44:38

like woman of mother of three. For some reason,

44:40

Christian was on the homestead with the kids and I was living in the dorms

44:43

and I just, I still remember that feeling

44:45

of being trapped and just like this devastation

44:48

that I wasn't on the homestead, that I wasn't

44:50

outside, that I wasn't with the animals, like even like

44:52

it's something that's so deeply rooted

44:55

in me I can't imagine giving it up. So

44:58

there's hard times. I'm not saying it's all rainbows and sunshine,

45:00

but I know that I will always live

45:03

rurally. live far

45:05

from town and have some connection to

45:07

the land and food production. I feel like I can't

45:10

give that up. It's just a part of who I am. So

45:13

we made it. That was a lot of questions. Good questions.

45:16

It was fun to do some personal ones. Usually these are kind of a mix

45:18

of, you know, how do you keep a sour, sourdough starter

45:21

alive and how do you use a pressure canner? And

45:24

so I love that we got to get into some

45:26

topics we normally don't discuss. So hopefully

45:28

that was fun for you. May be surprising,

45:30

may be disturbing, I don't know. But that's me

45:32

and those are my answers, so I'm sticking to it. Alright,

45:35

friends, that's all I have for you today.

45:37

Make sure you grab your beef bundle box

45:39

if you're wanting to fill your freezer. That's down in the show

45:41

notes. Planners are coming

45:43

soon. If they're not out already, they actually might

45:45

be by the time this airs. So I'm excited

45:47

for you to get those. And thanks for listening.

45:50

I'll catch you next time on the next episode

45:52

of The Old Fashioned On Purpose

45:54

Podcast.