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Hey friends, welcome back to Old Fashioned On

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Purpose, the show where we explore what

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we have left behind as we have

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raced towards progress as a culture. But

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not only that, we also talk about

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how we can get all of the

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good pieces back into our lives as

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modern humans in 2024 and beyond. So

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I'm your host, Jill Winger. My family and

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I have been home sitting here out on the

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Wyoming Prairie since about 2008. So we

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were doing it before it was cool, if

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you will. I'm an author,

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I'm a blogger, I'm a podcaster, and one

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of my biggest passions in life is

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helping people like you recapture some

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of the best parts of old-fashioned living. So

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today's topic is a fun

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one, and it also tends to be a

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very popular category here on the show. We're

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going to talk about a

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business option for you on your homestead. I

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think one of the biggest dreams when people

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start to dive into the homesteading lifestyle is,

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you know, how can I grow the food?

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How can I experience all the joy and

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the satisfaction from living in a more old-fashioned

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way? But also, can I

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possibly help it pay for itself? Like, how is

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that going to work? How could I maybe quit

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the nine to five or reduce the nine to

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five? Like, that's always the pain point I hear

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the most. And I have a really awesome idea

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for you to potentially make your own

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today. And I am joined by the

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one and only Marjorie Wildcraft to help

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present this idea to you in this

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episode. You've probably heard her name before.

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She is the founder of the Grow

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Network, which is a community of people

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focused on modern self-sufficient living. She's been

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featured in National Geographic. She hosted the

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Mother Earth Online Homesteading Summit. She's

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authored a book called The Grow System. She

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has done it all. And Marjorie, I am

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so excited for this conversation today. Nice.

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Yeah, well, thanks for having me on. It's

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always a pleasure. You and I have a

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really good vibe together. So, yeah. Yes.

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Yeah. I think was it last year?

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It was one of your grow summits that we came

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on. We talked about food preservation. It was

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a great conversation. That was awesome. Yeah.

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I think You've posted that so

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people can listen to that. Yeah, I did. Yeah, and we

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can we'll grab some links and stuff There'll be good stuff

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in the show notes guys to go check it out When

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you're done listening But give us a

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little background before we get into this business

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play and if you will kind of how you

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got into this world Of growing food why you're so

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passionate about this a little bit of background

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Yeah So first of all, I was not born

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to hippie parents in the commune or anything like

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that and we never grew any food I grew

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up in a subdivision and Actually

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my yeah, right so I'm not you

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know, I Discovered

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and created this life just like you

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and almost everybody listening is doing right

2:38

And actually I had been a professional real

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estate investor And

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my business was doing very well and the model I

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was using Was doing

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very well. In fact, it was so well that Robert

2:50

Kiyosaki asked me to be the

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lead testimonial on his infomercials for

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time life products So

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it's on national television for like four years in a

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row and a couple of infomercials for him for

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rich dad poor dad stuff And I would love and

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I mean, you know making money hand over fist

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and and just having fun And

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I was volunteering on a project to get

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locally grown food into A

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small elementary school had no idea

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that my life was going to do a

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complete You know 180 and

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completely changed and what

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what happened? The project was a complete

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failure and I mean really another failure

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and it failed because We

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realized there were not enough farmers

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producing locally grown food in

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all of the county to provide vegetables for

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even one small rural elementary school and

3:41

I you know, Texas has some big counties and

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I was just outside of Austin, which is you

3:45

know, kind of a progressive area, right? And

3:49

it just I just couldn't stop shaking. I

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had nightmares. I had I had panic attacks.

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I Just

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like because I knew there was only four days worth

3:58

of food in the grocery stores inventory at

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any given time. The 1500

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miles is how far stuff gets trucked in.

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And then I'm surrounded by at

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that time, it is more now 20

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million Texans who are armed to the teeth. And

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it is true in Texas, everybody's got guns,

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you know, several guns, you know, there's like

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10 guns per person in Texas. And

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I just I just really I really whatever,

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you know, people want the wake up call from

4:24

God or you want the door and you know,

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that's how it came to me. And I said,

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Okay, that's it. So I sold the real estate

4:30

business, put up with

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all the people who said your

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careers need more injury, there's never going to be any

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supply chain from whoops. I don't know

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if you hear that in the background. I live in I

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can. Okay, I live in Puerto Rico and

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this place is noisy. I love

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it. But it is noisy. Yeah. Anyway,

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for growing seasons, you can't beat it. But

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I'm gonna say that's like, it's a trade off,

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man. I take it. So

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good. Yeah, right. So

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there are quiet areas, by the way. Yeah,

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so I just said, that's it. And you know, I

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did have a lot of people who are like Marjorie,

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like my sister-in-law, I loved her to death. But she

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was like, you're crazy. She

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said, this the United

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States of America, we ain't never gonna

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have any supply chain problems. And we're

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never gonna have empty store empty shelves

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on the groceries, you know, like, I'm like, okay, but

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I know what I know. And I feel

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what I feel. And I feel that this is the most

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important thing I can do with my life energy. And so

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I just went like a mad woman on learning

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how to grow food, you know, how to food for us and

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animals and wild crafting

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and foraging and, you know, even all

5:40

the weird stuff like eating insect and,

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you know, like, you know, just how

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do you survive when, when

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times are really, really, really tough and hoping

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that we never got to that. And

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yeah, then eventually, of course, the

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first thing you realize when you start growing food is you

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can't do it on your own, it requires the community.

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So started teaching other people and building

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community and then one thing led to

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another and that was

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how the grow network was born. And yeah,

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and you know, I will give you the

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what do they call it when you when you give away the

6:15

punch line at the end? Anyway, I am so glad that

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happened. Because I love

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growing food. And I love working

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with the earth and the animals.

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And I'm so grounded and so happy. And

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I have a sense of security that you

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will never be able to buy with insurance.

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You know, so and health that

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you cannot buy from the medical complex.

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So it's just a

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fantastic life. And I know you know

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that and everybody listening is starting to touch that

6:49

or get into that in some way or another.

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And so that's that's how I

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got into it. Yeah, I

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didn't know that actually. I I love

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that you are a self made

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woman, like you created what you wanted. It wasn't your background.

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I feel like all too often,

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especially in agriculture, there's this perception that you

7:06

have to be born into it or you get laid up

7:08

by being born into it. And I'm always like, hey, you

7:10

know, it's cool if you have five generations behind you, but

7:12

you don't have to like you can create what you want

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to have. And I think you're an amazing example of that.

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You know, I think in some ways, we actually

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have an advantage not knowing anything. Because,

7:23

you know, it's like Joel Salatin, he

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doesn't build a lot of permanent buildings,

7:27

because he wants his kids to be

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able to redesign and reconfigure in whatever

7:32

way is for the time that suits them.

7:34

So, you know, agriculture, in some

7:36

ways, is still the basic thing for 10,000 years.

7:39

But in other ways, you know, we've got new

7:41

materials, and you

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know, new, new ad, and we have access

7:46

to all of world's information. So new

7:48

ideas can come to us from anywhere. So, you

7:52

know, it's definitely a

7:55

process of learning. But

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in some ways, we can we can innovate that

8:00

you can't when you're stuck in what we've

8:04

always known it this way, right? So

8:07

yeah, which is such a fallacy in

8:09

agriculture, especially, but in all of life. But yeah,

8:12

when I do see the generational operations

8:14

sometimes when it's like, I want

8:16

to do it this way, but dad and grandpa don't and it's

8:18

we've always done it. I'm like, Oh, that's that'd be tough. That's

8:20

I mean, a different set of problems, but a

8:23

tough set of problems. Exactly. Yeah,

8:25

yeah. Okay, awesome. So

8:28

let's get into the nitty gritty.

8:30

I love this title that

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you sent over for the for we're talking about potential

8:35

topics for this episode. And you're like the seven

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our business to fund your backyard farming. That

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is intriguing. So give us

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kind of the high level view.

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What is that? And then we're going to get into all of

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the details so people can put it into action. Well,

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I guess the biggest high level I've

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got to start out with is the

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entire planet's geopolitical system. You

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know, um, you

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know, quite frankly, we're headed into a

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famine, we're headed into hyperinflation and

9:03

currency collapse. We

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have the banking system is just on I don't

9:08

know how they're keeping it afloat, but it's teetering.

9:10

We have that multi trillion good billion. There's that

9:12

these big words for even bigger numbers, derivatives

9:15

bubble. I mean, we've

9:19

got, we got a huge

9:21

amount of problems and everybody's life is going

9:23

to change very, very dramatically.

9:25

I spent a lot of time studying collapse

9:28

situations, either interviewing people, going

9:31

like I went to Cuba or spending time

9:33

with people who had lived through the Argentinian

9:35

collapse or reading a lot of historical stuff,

9:37

Weimar Germany, Civil War,

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the bottom line is food

9:41

becomes the biggest issue. And so

9:43

learning how to grow food and

9:46

then then, you know,

9:48

the currency when the currency collapse, the next

9:50

best thing is anything

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related to food becomes extremely valuable.

9:54

So the food itself becomes valuable,

9:57

but then like tools, and

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especially seeds become really,

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really valuable. So,

10:05

you know, if we were talking about

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this a couple of years ago, this wouldn't

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have been as big a potential income

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stream as it is now and as going

10:15

to be. And I think I think Julie,

10:17

most of us have seen this, you

10:19

know, during 2020, when that whole

10:21

COVID experience unrolled, I mean, you

10:23

could not buy seeds anywhere. They were

10:25

gone, right? Everybody just, yep, yep. They

10:28

just bought them all. I

10:30

think then the next experience that we're heading into

10:33

is going to be far worse than that. Because

10:35

you could eventually get seeds. And I don't think

10:38

at some point in time that that availability is

10:40

going to be as readily or quick. So

10:46

do it does it even make sense to talk about

10:48

dollars anymore? No. And are

10:50

you going to make a living

10:52

a complete living off of growing

10:54

and saving and selling seeds? Probably

10:56

not any small farm, any homestead,

10:58

you really need about 10 different

11:00

income streams for everything,

11:02

you know, from selling some seeds

11:05

or fixing this or selling those

11:07

excess tomatoes or, you know,

11:09

the milk from the goats or whatever. I mean,

11:12

it has to be multiple, but

11:14

this is one really viable stream

11:17

of income or at least an item

11:19

to barter and trade with that are

11:21

extremely valuable. The other high

11:23

level thing to look at it from is, you

11:26

know, one tomato plant, huge

11:29

number of seeds, the seeds are

11:31

really abundant, you know,

11:33

one squash, right? There's a

11:36

lot that comes out of it. So it's

11:38

not going to take a lot of room.

11:40

And you can you can totally make it

11:42

happen. Yeah, I

11:44

think what you said is, it's such an important point that it

11:46

does take multiple income streams. Like I see I get so many

11:49

people coming to me and I've talked about it on the show

11:51

before, like I want to fund my homestead, I'm

11:53

going to sell soap, I'm going to quit my job and sell soap.

11:55

But I'm like, honey,

11:58

have you looked at the margins on the It's not

12:00

going to work. It's

12:03

going to make you, you're going to lose a lot of sleep and it's

12:05

not going to be great. So I think, you know, soaps a piece of

12:07

it. Seeds are a piece of it. Maybe

12:09

you sell seedlings, maybe you sell milk, maybe you sell vegetables. But

12:11

I think it's, this is a part of a multi tiered

12:14

approach to just funding your

12:16

backyard farming. Like you said

12:18

in the title. That's also just the nature of

12:21

the times we're going into. Honestly, I don't know

12:23

what's going to happen. I mean, and I'm usually

12:25

pretty good at seeing trends and understanding and you

12:28

know, where things are moving. I, you know, I've

12:30

actually made more money as a professional investor than

12:33

I ever did with the grow network. You

12:35

know, like the grow network has really been like

12:37

a lifelong passion project at this point. But

12:40

I have no idea what we're headed into now.

12:43

I really, there are so many things that could

12:45

happen in so many different ways. And we have so many

12:48

forces and contention. And

12:50

so having multiple streams of anything

12:53

is a good idea. You know, you want to have your

12:55

food supplies, you want to have your weapons, you want to

12:57

have your medicines you want to have, you

13:00

know, you need to have all your stuff,

13:02

you really need to have multiple of everything

13:05

going on and backups and redundancies. So

13:08

in general, that's just a good because we just

13:10

don't know what's going to work and what isn't.

13:14

I think this is one of those examples. These are

13:16

my favorite things to invest in skill wise, because

13:19

it's going to be extremely valuable if

13:22

something goes down, right? We like a little taste of

13:24

it during COVID. Like all the homestead skills that a

13:26

lot of us have been building were super nice to

13:28

have. We had our grain mills

13:30

already, we knew how to handle our flour, we had

13:32

our eggs, we didn't have to worry about the grocery

13:34

store shortages. So it's massively beneficial then. But even

13:36

if something isn't collapsing, it's still beneficial. Like it's

13:39

still a good thing. It's still a healthy thing.

13:41

It's going to save you money, it's going to

13:43

make you happier, it's going to make your food

13:45

supply better. So it's a win win, regardless of

13:48

what society may or may not be doing. Absolutely.

13:51

And the mindset also of

13:54

like, hey, I

13:57

am preparing for some major changes. And if they

13:59

don't come, go ahead. great, but I'm pretty

14:01

much getting to you. We've got 2024 is going to be

14:03

a year for the record

14:06

books. It's just, there's just so much

14:08

lining up that they

14:10

can't put off anymore. So yeah.

14:13

Well, yeah. What's a wild time to be alive

14:15

for sure. For sure. It's an honor. It's an

14:17

honor to live through this for

14:19

such a time as this. Okay.

14:22

So basics. What do we need

14:24

to know to get started saving seeds? We've talked

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about that a little bit on the podcast in

14:29

the past. It's been a while. So let's get

14:31

into the ins and outs of seed saving.

14:34

Yeah. Let's, let's drill it down into something

14:36

really simple. Three. God, don't we just love

14:38

three rules? I love three.

14:40

Yes. Dark, dry

14:42

and cool. Right. So when

14:44

you're saving your seeds, dark, dry and cruel.

14:46

And actually as a homesteader saving seeds, you

14:48

did not need a lot of room. Right.

14:50

And I'm going to show you my favorite

14:52

container for saving seeds in. And

14:55

that is just an

14:57

old fashioned ammunition can. This one's a

14:59

plastic one. I also like the 50

15:01

millimeter ones that the US military uses

15:05

for ammunition. Okay.

15:07

And this is great. This is actually waterproof. You

15:11

know, you can easily move around.

15:13

It's also stackable. One of my favorite

15:17

containers and you are going to want to

15:19

store your seeds well. So

15:22

that makes the, and you, first

15:25

of all, that's just the container part, right? Dry.

15:29

When you've got it in there, especially if you

15:31

live in a humid climate like Puerto Rico, cat

15:35

litter is a great desiccant. You know, you can

15:37

buy expensive desiccants, but I'll take a, like a

15:39

handful of cat litter and put it in a

15:41

sock and throw it in there with it. It

15:44

helps to absorb the moisture. Good idea. But

15:46

you want to keep it dry. Dark, you

15:48

know, obviously that's a

15:51

dark container. So having it

15:53

somewhere in a closet or a cupboard or something

15:55

like that and cool. So you

15:58

don't want to put this

16:00

on top of the refrigerator, right? That's got

16:02

heat coming out of it. You don't want to put it

16:04

near the stove. You know, you put it somewhere, you

16:06

don't want to put it where it's going to be

16:08

in direct sunlight. People sometimes like to save their seeds

16:10

in the greenhouse. That's not a good idea. You know,

16:13

so the very simple answer to

16:15

saving seeds, which you need to know, is

16:19

cool, dry and dark.

16:23

Another way to think of it is a

16:25

seed is a little tiny living thing. I

16:28

know so many of us are used to commodities like,

16:30

ah, you know, here's a phone or

16:33

whatever, you know, they're

16:35

actually alive. And you need

16:38

to preserve that life as

16:41

much as possible. And cool, dry and dark

16:43

is going to help that

16:45

life be extended. What

16:48

about putting them in the freezer or the refrigerator?

16:50

People ask about that. That

16:52

was going to be my next thing is

16:54

don't absolutely don't put it in the freezer.

16:57

You know, I used to think I, man, one year

17:00

I grew this amazing crop of corn, I was gonna

17:02

save the seed from it and I did and I

17:04

put it in the freezer.

17:06

And there are, you know, we've heard about the

17:08

Svalasvard seed way

17:11

up like next to Santa Claus somewhere up there in

17:13

the North Pole. Frozen,

17:16

sack all the time. They

17:19

have to really, really prepare those

17:21

seeds very carefully because seeds do

17:23

contain some moisture. And when you

17:25

get below freezing, water

17:28

expands. And for most

17:30

of us, we aren't going to be

17:32

able to get the exact amount of

17:34

dryness so that we like I destroyed my

17:36

seeds basically. And I had them pretty dang dry.

17:38

When I put them in the freezer, though, none

17:41

of them, none of them made it. So

17:44

I do not recommend putting them in the

17:46

freezer. Now in the refrigerator, yeah, in the

17:48

back of the refrigerator, again, in a sealed

17:50

tight compartment because refrigerators

17:52

can be pretty moist sometimes.

17:54

You know, that's a good idea.

17:56

Yes, refrigeration is great. Actually, the latest thing

17:59

that I've been experimenting with with is taking

18:01

a chest freezer and

18:03

buying an external thermostat and operating

18:06

it as like a not

18:08

as a freezer but as a low temperature

18:10

like a refrigerator and that's been

18:12

great for storage so it never gets below

18:14

say 35 degrees in

18:16

there and I've been storing some things in there

18:19

that I need to especially seeds that I need

18:21

to keep cool but I don't want frozen most

18:24

of your freezers aren't

18:26

going to do that you have to buy an external

18:28

thermostat and it's pretty simple thing you plug it in

18:30

just whoops

18:33

sorry about that look it

18:35

up on YouTube or ask

18:37

Jill later yeah no that's and I think that's

18:39

pretty easy to find I've seen people in the homestead

18:41

space use things like that so it should be an

18:43

easy Google search to find something that would work yeah

18:46

just don't let it freeze so good don't

18:48

let it freeze okay good to know because

18:50

I know freezers always everyone's kind of first

18:53

inclination yeah how about like

18:55

let's just like really go back to basics

18:57

and I'm gonna I'll play devil's advocate a

18:59

little bit like someone you know someone has

19:01

no familiarity with this topic can

19:03

you save seeds from any plants

19:06

like can I just get seeds from

19:08

Walmart and save seeds from the produce that comes

19:10

from them like what do I need to know

19:12

about my starting seeds

19:15

yeah okay so yeah that gets

19:17

into the GMO hybrid

19:21

heirloom open pollinated there's those are

19:23

the different categories of seeds that are

19:25

available I

19:28

have actually I often get genetics from

19:30

the farmers market you know

19:32

I go to small producers there and that these tomatoes

19:35

taste great and I just go ahead and

19:37

save the seeds from those tomatoes and grow them I often

19:39

ask them I'm like hey you

19:41

know what did you grow these from

19:43

but let's go over those first distinctions though so it's

19:45

that way it can help set the categories of of

19:47

what you can and can't save GMO

19:50

obviously that's something that's been manipulated

19:53

manufactured in a lab and you're

19:55

going to want to avoid those

19:58

seeds those These

20:00

seeds are most likely gonna be like the whole grain that

20:02

you buy at the grocery store.

20:05

They're often genetically modified. So you

20:08

are probably not gonna wanna use them like whole

20:10

wheat or something like that at the store that

20:12

they're in the bulk bins. They're probably genetically modified.

20:14

So that's not gonna be good. Heirloom

20:19

hybrid seeds are seeds

20:22

that have been specially bred

20:25

to produce that one time a particular

20:28

seed product

20:30

like they'll be hybrid tomatoes

20:32

or hybrid squash. And

20:35

actually a lot of organic farmers, believe it

20:38

or not, use hybrid seeds

20:40

because when they breed them

20:42

to create it, they're trying

20:44

to reduce or increase disease

20:46

resistance or increase yield. It's

20:50

kinda like, what is it, mating a donkey with a

20:52

horse? I was just thinking of that, yes. Or

20:54

a mule, yeah, you make some mule. Yeah, exactly.

20:57

You make the mule. Right, and a mule's a

20:59

pretty good animal. But

21:02

that mule can't reproduce. So

21:05

that's what hybrid seeds are about. And

21:07

a lot of times for organic farmers

21:09

or farmers that really need

21:12

to, they're doing this, they need to depend

21:14

on this for their living. They don't necessarily

21:16

wanna plant heirlooms because they may take longer.

21:18

They might have more other problems or issues.

21:20

Whereas the hybrids do tend to

21:22

be much more production focused.

21:25

Now you can save the seeds from the

21:27

hybrids. The only thing is, is it's

21:29

a little bit of a crapshoot of what's gonna come out.

21:31

We just don't know because it's

21:33

a hybrid. And

21:36

you just don't know what it's gonna be. They

21:40

usually actually do produce something. Believe

21:43

it or not, they usually are

21:46

viable seeds, but it's

21:48

not a good idea to save the seeds from those.

21:51

So by the way, some of the seeds in

21:54

the commercial industry, they believe it or not, they

21:56

insert a gene called the terminator gene, which...

22:00

So when they sell the corn to the big

22:02

commercial farmers, they can only grow

22:04

one crop and they can't save the seed from it

22:06

because that's all it will ever grow. And if

22:08

they try to save seed from the crop, it's

22:10

been designed not to be

22:12

able to reproduce. Isn't that, I just find that

22:15

so horrifying. It's just

22:17

awful. It's breaking that

22:19

cycle. I was reading a book the

22:21

other day about something else and they were saying, you know,

22:23

we've taken the circle of life and

22:25

turned it into a straight line. I was like, oh, that

22:27

was so good and so true and sad. But that reminds

22:30

me of that. So

22:32

heirloom and open pollinated heirloom are

22:34

seeds that actually almost, well, actually

22:36

all pretty much of our varieties

22:38

of vegetables come from your

22:41

great, great grandparents, right? All

22:44

of the seed varieties we have are your great, great

22:46

grandparents, right? They were the ones that had, you

22:48

know, the kitchen garden, they were growing, they were

22:50

living this lifestyle. And

22:52

they saved seeds and kept them back and

22:55

did it. So heirloom seeds generally have

22:57

been around for, I don't know, at least

22:59

50 years, 100 years or more.

23:01

So they're older, usually

23:05

really good varieties. And

23:09

we've lost a lot, oddly enough. I

23:11

think I've seen different studies. Some say 90% and some say

23:15

70%. We've lost a lot because we aren't continually

23:17

growing them and saving them. And

23:19

a lot of them were grown for particular uses. Like

23:22

we grew this variety of squash because

23:24

it stayed through

23:27

the winter and didn't turn

23:29

into a pile of mush by December. We

23:31

could still eat squash the winter squash, we

23:33

could still eat it in March. Or we

23:36

grew this tomato because it was really good

23:38

for canning. And we grew this one because

23:40

it was really good for taste, all the different

23:42

things. Those are all heirloom varieties. And those are

23:44

great. Again, the heirloom

23:46

varieties may take longer to

23:49

produce than the

23:51

hybrids. But really,

23:54

that's really what we want to be focusing on. The

23:57

other is open pollinated. And

23:59

open pollinated. means that it was, you

24:02

know, a group of squash

24:05

was grown and they were pollinated

24:07

naturally through the flowers and

24:09

the bees and the whole cycle and

24:12

that they will come, the open pollinated and

24:14

the heirloom do come true to seed. So

24:17

that way when you plant those again, when you

24:19

collect those seeds and save them, you will get

24:21

that same squash

24:23

or tomato or cucumber or whatever it

24:25

was initially. And

24:28

open pollinated may be newer, you

24:31

know, not necessarily they're not necessarily heirlooms,

24:33

but both of those categories are

24:35

what we're going

24:37

to want to focus on. So most

24:42

of the things in your grocery stores are

24:44

going to be genetically modified or hybrid. So

24:47

you're not going to want to do that. I really,

24:49

I do get a lot of genetics going

24:51

to the farmers market and asking

24:53

the farmers, you know, this is really great.

24:55

You know, there's the here in Puerto Rico,

24:58

they have the Calabasas, there's these gigantic squashes.

25:00

I'm like, did you, you know, was this

25:02

growing around other squashes? Did

25:05

you grow this? You know, what

25:07

variety is, you know, you know what I mean? And

25:09

they're, they're, they're usually pretty straight up with you. I've

25:11

gotten some really great tomato seed from there, curry

25:14

plants. Yeah,

25:17

just lots of different seeds that I've gotten from

25:19

buying the produce there. A lot of there's a

25:21

lot of exotic fruits So honestly, that's

25:23

for me been a great source and plus it's local, like,

25:26

you know, yeah,

25:30

right. You know, yeah. And

25:35

most seed catalogs, they will let

25:37

you know if it's hybrid or,

25:39

you know, or open pollinated or

25:41

heirloom. And I'm

25:44

sure you have lists, we can also send

25:46

folks lists of seed companies that we recommend.

25:50

Yeah, I'll just give a shout out to

25:52

Truleaf market. I wasn't, yeah, it was a nice

25:54

little segue. That's who I use. There's a lot

25:56

of good ones, but Truleaf has a lot of

25:58

heirlooms, a lot of open pollinated, a really

26:00

good variety. And so if you guys are looking

26:03

for a good option, go check

26:05

them out. It's the prairiehomeset.com/seeds. We'll drop that

26:07

in the show notes as well. But yeah,

26:09

they're a good place to start. But I also,

26:11

Marjorie, I love that idea of just going to

26:13

the farmer's market because in essence, you're getting those

26:15

seeds for free. That's a sweet idea. So,

26:23

okay. So we have our seeds. Now

26:27

what? Well

26:29

let's talk a little bit about actual getting

26:32

the seeds. And so first of all...

26:34

That's true. Yeah. We've cut over some big pieces

26:36

there. Space is not a

26:38

real big issue. You think about one tomato plant.

26:41

You have got so many seeds. And which

26:43

seeds do you want? Well, if you want

26:45

to focus on early varieties, the

26:48

ones that...

26:51

And you may save seeds like tomatoes.

26:53

Everybody loves tomatoes, right? We'll have to

26:55

talk about tomatoes. The first tomatoes

26:58

that come out, we'll save those seeds and

27:01

then mark those my early tomato seeds, right?

27:03

Or this

27:06

one was super flavorful. But if you think,

27:08

there's so many seeds. In one tomato,

27:10

there's like a gazillion seeds, right? So

27:13

there's lots of seeds and you don't even need

27:16

to necessarily do

27:21

much different from what you're already doing for

27:23

harvesting. I remember one time helping a farmer

27:26

harvest a bunch of squash for the seeds.

27:28

It was a seed company and

27:30

we were shelling out all these wonderful

27:32

little banana squashes. And he

27:34

was having me scrape out all the seeds into a

27:36

big pile and then we had all

27:39

the squashes left over and he went and we

27:41

loaded that up into a truck and gave it

27:43

to a food bank. But

27:46

that's still good food, right? You get

27:48

plenty of seeds. Some

27:51

distinctions and things you'll need to learn about. There

27:53

are some seeds that are really easy to grow.

27:55

They're self-pollinated like tomatoes, right?

27:58

Really easy to grow. They, you

28:00

don't have to worry about a lot about

28:02

cross pollination or problems. Some

28:04

of the more difficult things are squashes, you

28:07

know, the cucabits, there's like three

28:09

different varieties of squashes that if

28:12

you, you can grow the three of them

28:14

together as long as they're all in

28:17

different lineages. But if

28:19

you tend to grow two squashes together,

28:21

they like really cross pollinate easily and

28:24

you may not, you're not really

28:26

going to have seed that comes true to

28:28

seed. And so for example,

28:30

people that really want to grow a lot of squash, sometimes they'll

28:32

do it in a greenhouse just to isolate it. Some

28:36

things are wind pollinated like corn. And

28:39

you know, you want to make sure that you only

28:41

have that one corn patch there. If

28:44

you have another corn patch that's too close that

28:46

can cross pollinate, they wind pollinate. So

28:48

you're going to want to learn which ones are basic.

28:50

The easiest ones to start with are tomatoes

28:53

and beans and lettuce. These

28:55

are really some of the

28:57

easiest ones. But that as you get into this, that's going

28:59

to be a skill that you're going to want to learn more about

29:01

is, how

29:07

easily does this cross pollinate and how far away

29:09

do I need to have something to make sure

29:11

I've got this isolated so that this is going

29:13

to come back true to seed. By

29:15

the way, this is something you want to know as

29:18

a homesteader in general anyway, because there will be

29:20

a time coming pretty soon when you're going

29:22

to need to save your own seeds. Also,

29:26

it's pretty unrealistic to think that you're going

29:28

to be able to save seed from everything.

29:31

Right? It really is unrealistic to expect that you're

29:33

going to be able to save seed from every

29:35

one of your vegetables. And that's one of the

29:38

reasons we have community is,

29:40

you know, I save seeds

29:42

from this, that and the other. And so and so save

29:44

the seeds from YZ

29:46

and Z. And then, you know, we know and we

29:48

trade and we share. Again, it's

29:50

sort of like for the squashes, right? You know, I'll

29:52

grow this kind, you grow that kind, we live a

29:55

mile apart. That's great. Totally.

30:00

Um, could you just give and I

30:02

know the techniques for each variety varies

30:04

widely, but just kind of basic rule

30:07

of thumb Like let's say we wanted

30:09

to save seeds from Let's

30:11

say beans or lettuce. Like how would someone go

30:13

about doing that? Those are some of the easier

30:16

ones Yeah, the beans are great. So most me

30:18

like I always take your standard green beans, right?

30:20

You know they when they're green you can just

30:22

eat them as green beans and if you just

30:25

let them dry on the on

30:27

the stalk then That's fine. And

30:29

then you shell them and you've got them. They're

30:31

like one of the easiest ones to save seeds

30:33

from Uh and green beans

30:35

actually that will probably happen to you by accident Just

30:37

the one they get going and they're really prolific and

30:40

they're harder. There'll be that one in the back

30:42

that's hiding from you You know, and

30:44

if you don't harvest them regularly, then the next

30:46

thing you know, you've got a whole bunch of seed

30:48

and the thing Quits producing It

30:51

says hey, I did my job, right? Yeah

30:54

So those are the super easy ones

30:57

uh lettuce again a lot of people just as

30:59

it's You know when you let a

31:01

few of them bolt which means they they go to

31:03

flower And a lot of people

31:05

take like a after it's really got the flower and

31:07

it's just about to go They'll often put like a

31:10

paper bag over the plant Uh

31:12

just to be able to catch uh

31:14

the seed Uh rather than just

31:16

having it, you know get because they're pretty small

31:18

lettuce seeds are are pretty small. Yes, so Tomato

31:22

seeds are are kind of fun in that they're

31:24

real Musilaginous and you put them in just a

31:26

little bit of water and you let them ferment

31:28

and then that mucilaginous coating will drop off Or

31:31

float to the top and the seeds will drop

31:33

and they're pretty easy to separate out. It's

31:35

it's not a hard process I'm sure jill

31:37

has shown you how to do that before So

31:40

each yeah, each one is a little bit different.

31:42

Um Um,

31:44

but it's all you know, these are all skills that are easy

31:46

to learn and figure out Um,

31:49

one of the things I was really surprised about And

31:53

maybe people know the celebrity but like most of the

31:55

food we're eating from our garden is a little bit young And

31:57

so you you're going to be sick kind

32:00

of like you mentioned with the beans, you're gonna be saving

32:02

seeds from things that are past their prime for eating

32:04

most of the time, like the bolted lettuce, the dried

32:06

out beans, the tomatoes that are really ripe.

32:09

I think that's true pretty much across the board.

32:12

Wouldn't you say with seed saving, you're waiting till

32:14

that really far along in that maturity process? Yeah,

32:16

or will other things like squashes, the

32:19

seeds are good. And then of course you

32:21

can also eat the seeds. Like I remember

32:23

visiting the Tarah Mara Indians in Mexico

32:25

and that was like a little snack.

32:27

They roasted the seeds and just had them

32:29

out. You can just eat them and

32:32

spit the shells out. But

32:34

yeah, most of them are like cucumbers. You're gonna get

32:36

a little old, right? And you

32:38

know, that's okay. So just leave a couple

32:40

of plants that let it go to seed.

32:45

Yep, yep. I know

32:47

it takes a little discipline, but yeah. Like

32:50

you said, it doesn't take a lot to get a lot

32:52

of seeds. So you can just have a plant or two. So

32:54

you're not wasting, it's not like you're wasting it. Do

32:58

you have any experience with cabbage

33:01

seed saving? Cause I've looked at it in

33:03

some books and I'm like, oh, this seems really complicated. Have you tried

33:05

it? I have

33:07

and you do the classic

33:09

thing where you like, as the cabbage is

33:11

getting really mature, you cut an X in

33:14

the top of it so it can come out and

33:16

bolt. And then

33:18

it's the same thing. You put like a paper bag over

33:20

it to catch those

33:22

seeds. So one

33:26

of the hardest ones I found actually

33:28

was tobacco. Man, those seeds are minuscule.

33:30

I couldn't even see them. So

33:32

I'm just like, I'll get tobacco

33:34

seedlings from other people. Yeah.

33:37

Yeah. What about carrots? Have you

33:39

tried carrot seed saving? I have

33:41

not done carrot seed saving. Yeah. That's

33:44

another one. Feels like that might have

33:46

a layer of complexity as well. I haven't looked into

33:48

it much, but. You know, we can also get

33:50

into some durations of

33:52

seed viability.

33:57

So, you know, we've all heard. You

34:00

know, we've all heard about in Egypt. They've dug

34:02

out a tomb and then there's these wheat seeds

34:04

from you know That's been buried for

34:06

thousands of years and they're still viable And

34:09

that is true. But if you think about it

34:11

in Egypt, they have the perfect conditions in

34:14

that tomb It's going to be cool dark

34:16

and dry and it didn't get below

34:18

freezing, right? So and wheat

34:20

and a lot of these grains are

34:22

very amenable to being saved and for

34:24

many many years But there

34:27

are other seeds that do not have that

34:29

kind of viability and I think onion seeds

34:31

are the fastest like Onion

34:35

seeds are just like within a

34:37

year you're not you're not going to do that again,

34:39

right? Actually, most of the time I like

34:41

to propagate my onions from just Cutting

34:43

off the roots and starting a new you

34:45

know, or getting the getting the the Scallions

34:48

already from somebody who knows how to

34:50

do that I had a

34:53

hard time like onions from seed. I've tried so many years

34:55

and i'm like this is worth

34:57

it. No You know, I get

34:59

the bunches of you know The bunches that come with the

35:01

root and the little shoot and just put them in the

35:03

ground and yeah Actually more and

35:05

more now I just get the scallions that kind

35:07

of reproduce everywhere and I don't even do the

35:09

balding onions Anymore because I can just cut these

35:11

scallions and they're man. Those are

35:13

such great plants like They

35:16

don't die I

35:19

love plants that don't die, right? Yes

35:22

So a lot of other seeds though are going to be kind

35:24

of in there and most of them

35:26

that's why there's there are When you

35:28

get your seed packet, they will tell you when they

35:30

were packed and generally you're going to

35:32

see Like a 10 to

35:35

20 percent drop off in

35:37

germination every year Depending on

35:39

on which seed you have and it really is true

35:42

You know after five years some of those seeds are

35:45

not most of those seeds are not going to be

35:47

viable um and a real quick

35:49

way to do a germination test is to just

35:51

you know, get 10 or 20

35:53

of those seeds and put them on a wet napkin and put

35:55

them in a little jar

35:57

or Tupperware thing to keep them kind of moist and

36:00

See how many of them sprout? It's pretty

36:02

simple. Smart idea. Yeah. Way

36:06

before you try. I'm also

36:08

a big fan with a lot of things. I like

36:10

this from the whole John Jevons method. Where I tend

36:13

to like to do all my

36:15

stuff in small containers before and then transplant it

36:17

out to the garden. That

36:20

way I know I've got a good viable

36:22

start going rather than direct feeding. There's some

36:24

things I direct feed like beans and whatever

36:26

because they're just so big and they don't actually like

36:28

to be transplanted. A lot

36:30

of things I like because it also maximizes the use of my

36:32

garden space. I'm not waiting

36:34

forever for a bunch

36:36

of seeds that may or may not. That's

36:40

not always true. Anyway,

36:43

that's a whole other topic. I've

36:45

been doing that more and more. I used to be

36:48

like, I can direct feed this. But like you said,

36:50

sometimes you end up waiting and then you realize, oh,

36:52

the viability wasn't good. Something happened and now I'm two

36:54

or three weeks behind and I have to start over.

36:56

I think it is so smart to do your germination

36:58

test. Start stuffing containers ahead of

37:00

time if you can. You're going to set yourself

37:03

up for success that much more. In

37:05

a lot of bioregions, like when I was in Colorado,

37:07

you would not have tomatoes if you did not

37:09

start them in a greenhouse ahead

37:11

of time. There's a lot of places

37:14

where that's just the case. Some

37:17

things I do like, I like turnips. I

37:20

love turnips. I like to spray all those

37:22

seeds out there and then I

37:24

would eat the young greens as a part

37:26

of thinning. That was kind of fun. That

37:30

works too. We

37:34

got the right seeds. We have grown

37:36

the plant. We have harvested the

37:38

seeds. We're storing them

37:40

properly. How do we get into the business

37:42

side of this and make it make sense?

37:46

Marketing, marketing, marketing. Let's have some

37:49

little envelopes.

37:55

Little envelopes are terrible. You should

37:57

look at Baker Street seeds. Those guys are gergated.

38:00

and those guys. It's kind of

38:02

like a frigging, you know, like

38:04

a huge envelope and it's got like 15 seeds

38:06

in it, you know, and then they've got these

38:08

beautiful pictures on it and all that. Now

38:10

they are a big seed retailer, right?

38:15

But mostly where I've done, and I honestly

38:17

have never sold seeds because I tend to

38:20

just give everything away, but really

38:22

the places you would do that would be

38:24

at your gardening club or, you

38:27

know, at flea markets, or, you know, if you're

38:29

hosting events, like one of the best ways to

38:31

sell stuff I always found was when I was

38:33

hosting an event in my yard,

38:36

like maybe I'm teaching how to butcher

38:38

rabbits or teaching how to transplant trees

38:40

or something like that. And then we have a table with, you

38:43

know, seeds that we've grown and other

38:46

things. Interestingly enough, people love moronites.

38:48

We always sell out of moronites. So

38:52

yeah, that's what the kids are for, is demand the

38:55

table. You

38:58

know, really this is not gonna be something, you're

39:01

not gonna be doing a big business on this. So,

39:04

you know, you're not gonna wanna set up the website and

39:06

do the whole thing. Another possibility though,

39:08

and again, this is I did

39:10

an interview with Jera Gettle a

39:12

few years ago, and regional seed

39:14

companies do need seeds. And

39:17

if you get really good and consistent at

39:19

producing a particular variety and you start doing

39:21

it in quantity, they will buy it from

39:23

you wholesale. So that's a whole nother option

39:25

so that you don't have to worry about

39:27

that marketing or the direct sales

39:30

thing. So, and

39:33

I really wanna encourage more and more

39:35

regional seed companies to start coming

39:37

into existence. My

39:40

understanding of, oh, by the way, I

39:42

host a plant and seed swap party

39:45

every two months. And that's another

39:47

way that I'm getting a lot of

39:49

genetics and a lot of new plants.

39:51

And this is more of just a free thing where

39:54

we just find a place, there's a local cafe,

39:57

and we let everybody know, which unfortunately now

39:59

is through Facebook. and

40:01

people show up with plants and seeds and we

40:03

just we just swap them to me

40:06

that's like a form of murder right now

40:08

so I've brought these seeds and somebody

40:10

gives me those and whatever yeah so

40:14

you the regional seed companies do want seeds

40:17

from you and then

40:19

you can sell them and I'm really

40:21

envisioning where we are the currency is

40:23

is on its way

40:25

out you as dollar if you

40:28

haven't heard let me be the first to tell you

40:30

the petrodollar died in August

40:32

of last year when Saudi Arabia joined

40:34

the BRICS coalition

40:38

so you know that packet of seed will be

40:40

a form of

40:42

currency for other things that are

40:45

useful so yeah do

40:48

you have any tips for in

40:51

the just like the current economy price how someone

40:53

would know how to price their seeds well you

40:55

know take a look at I've been astonished at

40:57

how much these costs these days I need to

40:59

get a little envelope of seeds is about three

41:01

or four dollars that most places so and there's

41:04

not that much in there by the

41:06

way here's another idea for you if you

41:08

want to get into this

41:10

is you can buy seeds

41:12

in wholesale like Johnny's right here you

41:15

know and buy a pound of seeds this

41:17

is actually a way you could fund your own seed

41:19

acquisition buy a pound of whatever it

41:21

is turnips or whatever repackage

41:24

it into the smaller ones and sell those

41:26

off and you do there's other ways

41:28

also Craigslist you know other you

41:30

know card and club whatever

41:32

and the markup is is pretty high

41:34

so you think about it you you're selling

41:36

these little three dollar four

41:39

dollar packets of turnip seeds and

41:41

then but the pound only cost you maybe

41:43

fifteen or twenty dollars astonishing how much you

41:47

can get when you buy a larger a larger

41:50

quantity so that's another option for

41:52

just a small business to do in fact

41:55

a lot of homeschooling families I've seen them

41:57

do that and they buy it in bulk the

41:59

kids divide it up, they make

42:01

their own packaging, and then the

42:03

kids sell it as homeschooling projects at

42:05

different events and fairs, which

42:10

we can do too. Yeah, that's a

42:12

great idea. And I think you alluded

42:14

to it a minute ago, even if you're

42:16

just funding your own food production, if

42:18

that's your first goal, it's okay, I'm selling enough, I'm

42:20

not going to make a million dollars on it, but

42:22

I'm selling enough to cover what my

42:24

family and I are eating. That's huge, especially in

42:26

our day and age where grocery stores are rising

42:29

in price. That's a great

42:31

first metric. And then if you add another little

42:33

things, like we've had people on the show in

42:36

the past talk about selling seedlings and using that

42:38

as a business opportunity or microgreens, and you just add

42:40

those little pieces in and pretty soon you're going to be not

42:42

only covering what you're eating, but then some. And I

42:44

think that's really where

42:46

that core of that dream of self-sufficiency

42:48

lies. I really recommend that approach. As I

42:50

said in the beginning, multiple streams of income

42:53

is going to be the way to go. So yeah.

42:59

I love it. So as we kind

43:01

of wrap up here, that was a fast, holy moly, fast 45

43:03

minutes to flew by. Any

43:05

other information you want to leave with our

43:07

guests? I also want you to share in

43:09

a minute your, you have a resource that's

43:11

really helpful in this realm

43:13

of content, but any other last bits

43:15

of advice for folks who want to

43:17

do that? So another thing is,

43:19

is there really is a dire need

43:22

in your bioregion for things that do

43:24

well in your bioregion because so much

43:26

has become centralized that we,

43:29

you know, we really do need

43:31

the genetics more localized, right? There's

43:33

stories in Texas of these

43:35

two brothers that grew this corn and their

43:37

horrible soil year after year, and

43:39

they kept pulling out the best

43:42

ones and saving the seed. And then they

43:44

developed a variety of corn that would grow

43:46

in totally crap soil in totally

43:48

crazy weather in South Texas. I

43:51

want to talk about an incredibly valuable seed.

43:54

I know it was incredible. Also,

43:56

there's a whole legacy component to this.

44:00

My father-in-law, he

44:04

figured out a tomato. He's

44:06

always using a salad bar. He said, I'll

44:08

grab a tomato and he'll grab another one and save

44:10

this. He's kind of funny. He's like Denny's

44:13

or something like that. He manages to clap. Anyway,

44:16

he developed a porter tomato that would grow in

44:18

the heat really well, which is a huge thing.

44:21

It didn't taste that great, but

44:23

any tomato in the middle of summer in

44:25

Texas is a huge deal, right? We call

44:27

them pops this porter. And

44:30

those seeds have been kept by the family and

44:32

saved down and saved down. And every year that

44:34

I grow them, we talk about pops and

44:37

its legacy. It's legacy work. And

44:42

I've interviewed a lot of baby boomers or a lot

44:44

of older people. I said, what's your favorite

44:46

memory, your favorite childhood memory? And I

44:48

can even tell you mine is when I was with

44:50

my aunt Julia and my aunt Linda up in Mount

44:52

Pocono. They had a place up there. We went there

44:54

for the summer and aunt

44:56

Julia had an apple tree in her

44:58

yard. And we gathered the apples and

45:00

made applesauce. It's always involved harvesting

45:03

and preparing food. It does. I've

45:05

noticed that as well. Like every time

45:07

it's always around food. It always is. I

45:09

went collecting eggs with grandpa or

45:11

I dug potatoes with my

45:14

uncle Ralph. You know, it's

45:16

always involved food. And what

45:18

you're doing here is legacy work. And we really

45:20

do need to revive a lot of these genetics.

45:22

As I said, we've lost a whole bunch. But

45:25

you know, just like

45:27

pigs, right? You know, they grow these pigs in the commercial

45:29

system. They don't have any fat on them. And

45:32

like fat is the most important. Like I want

45:34

a fat pig. I

45:36

bought a pig from a local farmer who's like mostly fat.

45:38

I was like, yay. Somebody says, I

45:40

hate his pigs. They're all fatty. And I said,

45:42

you got the wrong attitude. You know, so yes,

45:45

but so developing these

45:47

genetics, it's legacy work.

45:49

It's important work. When you're doing that,

45:51

you're adding a whole other layer of

45:53

meaning and importance to what you're doing.

45:57

And really, that's like the joy

45:59

and the essence of it. Why? So if I can

46:01

leave with that, that's That's the last part I

46:03

would like to add. Yes,

46:05

That's beautiful. And. Up

46:08

Yeah, that's what The Essence and also

46:10

I have been of. I'm really intrigued.

46:12

By growing a Wyoming some heat of that money on

46:14

where you say now a jog my memory is if

46:16

we have that world's shortest growing season and I've had

46:19

some really good summit oh crops and like you know

46:21

on a the start saving and get rolling strategic of

46:23

I bet I could make like a. Special.

46:26

Wyoming sort season tomato. so thank you

46:28

for that reminder minutes. Put her back on

46:30

the list for this year and were god

46:32

the list that successor in the. City

46:35

of Are only go as we're both.

46:38

Oh my goodness. Okay, tell us about

46:40

your back yard food production. yeah, loads

46:42

at a recording or a summit when

46:44

it, when it or whatever. and webinar.

46:47

it's a bit. A free web in R

46:49

and I'm I have spent a long, long time

46:51

figuring out what is the fastest and easiest. Way

46:53

for somebody who knows absolutely nothing. And

46:56

maybe they're older. they're out of shape. How can

46:58

they get producing? A lot of food

47:00

I knew. calorie has been a. Bad word for

47:03

long time, but now it's about to become a unit

47:05

of currency. Or how can you produce a

47:07

lot a real substantial calories and more importantly,

47:09

the elephant in the room and the United

47:11

States is malnutrition. How can you produce a

47:14

lava nutrition? Very, very quickly.

47:16

Enough you know, small backyard, so space and

47:18

so distilled that all down into a free

47:20

web in R. And even if you're an

47:22

experience where or lot of people like to

47:24

watch or just to go, oh ya ya

47:26

ya, that's or whatever. So yes, let's a

47:28

free. Web in our Backyard Food production.com.

47:31

And then about every month all hosts allies to

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and a call but once you watch the weapon

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on signed up will get you an email that

47:38

you know when we're doing the lives to and

47:40

a as on yeah I am. You. Know

47:42

like you joe with we see. This.

47:44

Is such a great lifestyle

47:46

and. Unfortunately a lot of people

47:49

are gonna come to it until there's a crisis and

47:51

I think. we've got a crisis coming

47:53

support nineties and yeah yeah the

47:55

timing and now for sir and

47:57

it's i i know of other

48:00

way to experience that full level of satisfaction than when

48:02

you're just plugged into life. You know, you're

48:04

not being just a consumer, you're producing, you have your

48:06

hands in the soil, it's a beautiful thing. So it

48:08

really is. Like I said, I'm so

48:11

grateful for that night at

48:13

the Red Rock Community Center where that

48:15

whole project failed and my

48:18

life changed completely. And it's been the best thing

48:20

I've ever done. It's been great. It's

48:22

meant to be. Love

48:24

those origin stories. Powerful

48:27

stuff. Marjorie, thank you so much for sharing your

48:29

wisdom. This was a blast. As always, our conversations

48:31

just always flow so well. I thoroughly enjoy it.

48:33

So thanks for coming on. Everybody go check out

48:35

backyardfoodproduction.com. I'll drop that in the show notes as

48:37

well. Sign up for the free webinar. It's good stuff. So

48:40

thanks, friend. We'll talk soon. Okay.