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Hey guys , welcome back to Our

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Best Behavior . You're here with

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Mac and Kelly

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.

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What's up , mcmaster ? I

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can't even talk . I was going to say Mix

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Master Mackie McCoy . Hey guys

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.

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Hey guys , I got the peeps

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.

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I was teasing Mackie before we started recording

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. He was practicing and

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he was like should I sound like this ? Hey

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guys , welcome back

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to I Gotta Poop . I

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Gotta Poop Because sometimes , when you're

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trying so hard , hey

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guys , you look like a boy . You're like

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hey guys , I'm

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just trying to look like what you sound

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like Really . That's crazy

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Burn . What's

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up Mac Doggy Dog ? What's been going

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on ? We took a little spring break . The

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weather was so nice

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? Not really .

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Not like the past couple days , but last weekend

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.

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We usually record on Sunday , but

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the weather was beautiful . We did

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so much stuff outside , yeah

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, and I was exhausted After we did so much stuff outside , yeah

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, and I was exhausted like after we did so much . I just was like

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I'm done my my capacity is full .

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What did you know ? Should I have a new color on my braces ?

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oh , I didn't . What did you get green

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? I literally got the . I can't talk in your mic , I can't

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hear you . I got the color of my shoe oh

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, I don't have my cyan .

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Yeah , it's like a little

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darker than cyan , like a teal , yeah , yeah , a

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teal , yeah .

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You got your braces tightened up today

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. Yeah , you still were able to eat

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Shake Shack for dinner . Yep , how

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was your shake one to ten ?

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It's not what I thought of . It's like too much .

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Yeah , I

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got the vanilla mix and then they mixed

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the fudge in and that was a 10 . I feel like it's a 6 . Okay , a little too much

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.

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Okay , rich , yeah , it's too

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rich Like I don't know , yeah .

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I got the black and white . It was good . Good

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, I

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love me some Shake Shack . Anything

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else that you want to talk about ? I don't know what's going on in your

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life . Working on grades

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Yep Kind of sucks .

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Okay , at least it gives me something to focus

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on , I guess , yeah .

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Well , good thing that you

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have been drinking your magic mind .

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Yeah , I have .

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And , to be honest

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, like you were kind of in a grade rut and you went

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from a bad grade to a really good

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grade in a couple , of days .

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No , that doesn't make any sense , because I

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went to a D+ right to

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an A that makes no sense . I went

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like two grades up .

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Well , I think that they don't grade you on a lot of things

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.

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So when you had a bad assignment

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or test , and then you have

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a really good one there's

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only two things in the grade book

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, so then that really can jack up your

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grade . Oh , we also did do assignment , like yesterday . Yeah , that did go for points

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, I did finish it , it was probably that too Okay . Actually

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that was like 2% , and sometimes I

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think like they

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don't have . I'm that

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parent view gets me a little crazy . That

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wasn't my uh , it wasn't just some

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missing . We have a portfolio , yeah , and

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I didn't like click publish , oh

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but it didn't say it was missing it's

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not like on the grade book

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, he just like it's like the only thing we are graded

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on in that class is our , our portfolio

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you're great in there is good .

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Yeah , I just I looked not that long

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, yeah , I know , but like remember when it was nef .

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Yeah , yeah , it's because , um , if you don't click

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publish , it doesn't upload it to him . So you

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can , so you can see all the new stuff so anyway

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, all your grades went from like d's to a's

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and b's one

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more you're working on a d , and it should

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be like a C tomorrow

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A C or a B it's got to be a C or better

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, or you'll go rounded it can't be

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a C minus . No , what

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If I pay you $10, ? It's going to be a C minus .

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No , you can't bribe me . Come

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on , I'm your mom . You

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can't bribe me . I $10? . I don't need your $10

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.

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How about $50 ? No , $100

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? No , dude , I'd pay for plasma for a week .

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No , you'll pay for my plasma . Well

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, you know what . I might need that , because I keep getting turned

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away for my low iron .

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Actually , again , yes , yes .

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Dude , how much would you have this time 36%

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. I need to be at 38 . Again

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36 again I I need to be at 38

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. Again , 36 again . I just keep being anemic

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. How do you get your it's because I don't eat any . I've been taking

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all my I'll put a picture of this

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on social media . All my greens I take every

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night . They aren't helping , they don't

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help , they don't take them . Well , they're not boosting

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my hemoglobin up to where it needs to be

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. That's fine it . That's fine . It doesn't make any sense

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.

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Then just take one less pill and see what happens .

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No , then it's going to be worse .

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And I need it to be better . Well , can't you just drink a bunch of water

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? It's not the water , the food

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yeah

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it's got to be spinach and leafy

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salads . Then just make some green beans when you get home before

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you go .

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We have a bag of green beans . I don't know if it works

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like that .

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I think it does Okay . Well , I'll

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try it All right , it's worth a try

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.

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You're right . I have nothing to lose , just like a

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little bit Nothing to lose , but hundreds of dollars that

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I haven't been making because my body

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is not cooperating with the program .

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You just lost like $200 .

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Yep , you're right . I did $200

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of bills . I didn't get to pay .

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Yeah , I know , that was like one electricity

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bill almost .

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Oh for sure , 100% . Last

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night you did a really nice project for me , this

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palette .

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Oh yeah , I forgot about it .

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You did a lot of projects . You helped

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me with my screen house your screen house fell

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down again .

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I had to fix it again Again .

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Oh , you're so good to me . You

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know , I think I got excited that the weather was lovely and I set it up too soon

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because it's been so frickin' windy

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I even did

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you see , I bought a little plant on the front step . It kept blowing

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off . Yeah , I saw it all the way over there . It was so

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sad . I just

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can't win with the winds , but that

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should taper down and then it should get better

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.

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It's usually good for like a weekend

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and then gets bad again . It's so weird .

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Minnesota . Gotta love it . And

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then , what other projects did

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you do ? Oh , you took down the awning

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that we had hanging up there so we could use that

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storage that we have in the back .

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I did a bunch of stuff . Yeah , what other projects did you do ?

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I cleaned the garage out , you cleaned the garage , you cleaned Justin's

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boat , but you made money . He paid you $10

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an hour .

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I haven't even got that money he didn't pay up . I honestly

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haven't . What a bitch .

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I honestly forgot about him . No , you already did

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the work . There's no bribing him . If he wants to

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live here , he better pay his dues . He's

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gonna come and be like I already

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paid for a hotel or get

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your shoes and get out .

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I bet you , if I just text him , be like yo , can I

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use that $40 ? He'll just be like yeah , use my card

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. I guess .

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You should be like yo bitch , you never paid up . I totally forgot about that , though that's pretty . I mean

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that's good that you forgot about it . I mean that you're not like that , if I didn't get money it

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was .

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Oh well , even if he wasn't gonna pay me , I was still gonna help him

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.

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Obviously you're nicer than I am I

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always say show me the money I get money

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or not , it doesn't really matter .

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But I mean , if you're gonna say yo , you want

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money for this , oh yeah I'll take 100

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, yeah yeah , but I mean either

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way , if I have to do it for free , that's fine sometimes

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he'll ask me like how much do

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I have to pay you to make me

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? Oh , if it's like this or that , something quick

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. I'm not , uh , no , I'll do it .

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I'm like show me the money really for like

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the tiniest thing yeah and like , right , I'm his wifey

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, like he should .

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I should just be like sure , honey , didn't he pay ten

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dollars for making you him a sandwich ?

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He paid me $10 for Eating a freeze

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dried skittle Because I did not want

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to . I'm like you

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show me the money and I'll do it , but I'm not

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doing anything For free .

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How much money would it ? If I give you $100 , would

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you go touch a snake ? Sure $100

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.

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To touch a snake .

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I'm buying a snake and you're going to touch it .

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No , that's not part of the deal . I

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thought it was just a random gardener

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snake cruising along here

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you go , pet it .

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You're not buying a snake how

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much would it take you to let me buy a snake and own

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it in my basement ? $1

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billion it's

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not that bad , it's bad .

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Let me tell you a funny story about one of my friends . She

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had three boys , mama

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three boys , and two

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of them were twins .

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Okay .

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She doesn't like snakes . Her

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son found a snake in

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the yard that's funny , snuck

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it into the house and

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it was living in his

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closet for about a

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month before she found it .

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That's funny , that is gross

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, that is funny , that is so nasty

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?

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Was it a gardener's snake ? I think so

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, but it's still nasty . There's a scary

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ass story .

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Yeah , Was it a gardener's snake ? I think so , but it's still nasty . There's a scary-ass

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story . A while ago she

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had a pet snake right and it wasn't eating

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. It wouldn't eat for like a week and she

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found out that it was

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starving itself to eat her .

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Yeah , was it a big snake , like an

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anaconda . Yeah , yeah , they'll do that

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.

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Yeah , I know it was crazy . That's why you can't trust snakes

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.

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How could that snake eat ?

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her though .

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Because their jaw unhinges

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. And then I'm going to show you and

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it can open like this because

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it detaches .

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So it can open up so big , so it can eat my

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head .

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Yes , a big one , like an anaconda

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. It could bite my head .

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It could bite my head .

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It could just chew it off . No , no , no , they don't chew , they swallow

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their food whole . So

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it swallows you and then you

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are alive until

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you suffocate in there .

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Oh .

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Sometimes they bite them to kind of like paralyze

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them . I don't know if anacondas

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are poisonous . I think they're just really strong

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.

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I think they are .

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Like boa constrictors too . They just

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like strangle their prey . Also

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, let me tell you something nasty about snakes . Snakes

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carry salmonella on

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like their scales .

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Also do chickens .

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Yeah , okay , that's fine , so anyway

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.

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But you like people a lot .

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I do .

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So , thanks for letting me know that , because you kind of threw

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me off to be honest .

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Anyway , this guy had

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a pet snake and he kept coming into the clinic

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and he kept having

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salmonella , but we

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didn't know that he had a snake . Eventually

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, like the Minnesota Department of Health was like , will you ask this guy that he had a snake Eventually

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, like the Minnesota Department of Health was like , will you ask this guy

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if he has a snake ? And we're like

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why ? And they said , well , snakes

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carry salmonella , Maybe he has a pet snake

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and that's why he , if he's handling the

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snake , not washing his hands , maybe

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that's why he keeps repeatedly getting salmonella

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.

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Sure shit . What's salmonella even ? Do it's

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like a it's a disease that makes you sick . It's like what's it make

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? You feel like , like , like food poisoning

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, like vomiting diarrhea soup

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, like oh yeah , on your death barley

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, beef barley

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, oh yeah oh

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, the sound of when you puke

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and you hear like splash into the that

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is so nasty ?

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are you saying when I puke or when you puke , no

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, when you puke , when somebody pukes , yeah , and

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you hear like yeah , it's like so chunky

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and then you can't breathe . You're like

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I just need some air . Then your eyes

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are like watering .

12:08

It's's like you're like and

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it's like .

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Projectile .

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Yes , like , it's like so much . It

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smacks the back of the toilet and

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you're just trying to breathe . Oh my God , I got to keep throwing up

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.

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I need to breathe . I can't .

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You can't like , you can't like . You

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can't breathe out of your nose and your mouth is open and your eyes are watering yeah , when

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you're like Pushing Out of your throat . You

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can't breathe Air from your nose . It's weird

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.

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Yeah , it is weird , it's not right , just like you

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can't see Without closing your eyes . Have you tried

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yeah . No , it's impossible

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. Yeah , I know it happens when I'm driving and it freaks

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me out .

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You're like what if something ? I don't even think you can

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hold your eyes ? No , you can't . Yeah , it doesn't work . They say it's

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impossible .

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They say that your eyeballs will like

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pop out if you try to keep them . If

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you actually were to keep them open when you sneezed

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that's funny They'd rupture .

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They'd rupture Just choo-poom . Yeah

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, it's like poom .

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Yeah .

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It'd be dangling .

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There's like a cartoon have you ever seen where his eyes are like popping

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out of his head ?

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oh yeah , that's what would happen .

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All

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right

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, that's

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crazy um so

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the last thing that I wanted to talk about is my

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progress with magic mind , and

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I feel like my the clarity

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of my thought process has been so much

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better . Weren't

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you taking it every morning and you did better

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on your schoolwork ?

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Oh yeah , I had a test , right yeah , like

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yesterday , and I

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was like really locked in on that test . I

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got a good grade , yeah , yeah , like I said we were talking

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about , like I'm A minus . You think you're a

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shot of magic mind A 65

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, a 67 to

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a

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92 .

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Yeah , that's crazy , right , yeah , that's crazy . Yeah , sounds

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like magic mind .

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It does sound like magic mind .

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Yeah , I feel like you know , I'm often trying to tell

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myself like work

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smarter , not harder , and

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I feel like the magic mind shots have been just making that so much easier

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for me and I've been finding my words better and not

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losing my thought process as often . So

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Really . Yeah , that's a great deal

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. That is a good deal .

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Are you ready for our guest today ?

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I'm pretty sure I am right now what

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I said . I'm pretty sure I

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am right now .

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So today we have Anthony Quill , and

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he is on Instagram . His

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page is called From tent

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to takeoff and what

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him and his wife are doing is they're helping

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families with young kids get off their

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beaten path . They have traveled to

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64 countries , uh

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, stayed at thousands of parks

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, and they really help provide

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kid-friendly travel

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, camping , adventure , tips

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, tricks , and , yeah

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, he's got a lot of great things to share with us . So , without

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further ado , why don't you welcome Anthony

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?

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Welcome , anthony , let's get into it .

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Hey , on your mind is behavior . On your mind is behavior . You're

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listening to another episode of On Our Best Behavior and today we have

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a very special guest for you . We have Anthony Quill

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and he is from Tent2Takeoff . He has a big following on Instagram

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Actually , it's not just you , it's you and your wife , I

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understand and you help families

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with young kids get off their beaten path and

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learn a lot of skills , and a lot

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of people are afraid to travel with especially young

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children , and you guys have

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decided to forge a path

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to let us learn through your fails

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so that we can be successful .

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That's exactly it and thanks for having me on . Yeah

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, so my name is Anthony Quill . My wife

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and I have a family travel and adventure blog

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called From Tent to Takeoff , and

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you know we're our whole goal is

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helping families to kind of take that next

16:22

step . That's maybe a little bit outside of their

16:25

comfort zone , but not too much , and

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it helps them as a family to grow and try

16:29

new things and explore the world around them

16:31

, whether it's kind of local , the tent

16:33

side , so just camping in local state

16:35

parks , or whether it's international and going

16:38

to new countries or new places .

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So tell me your story . How

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did you so ? You start

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out by yourself , and then you meet your beautiful

16:48

wife , and then you get married and you

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have babies . And then were

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you guys world travelers before , because

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you do international travel too . So how

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did that ?

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transpire

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a

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ton of it as

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individuals and then

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kind of melded it together when

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we got married . And so when

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I grew up we didn't travel much at all . My family

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just couldn't really afford it and it just wasn't something

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that was within reach for us . So

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it wasn't until college that I really kind of got the travel bug , studied abroad quite

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a bit and it took off . My wife has a completely different

17:30

story . Her parents are teachers and

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they taught in the American school

17:34

system , overseas , and so

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when she was , I think , a week old

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, she was born here and went over

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to Saudi Arabia way back in the days

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when Saudi Arabia was a very different place than it is

17:45

today . She lived in Abu

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Dhabi for a while and she grew up most

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of middle school and high school in Tokyo , japan , and

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so we both kind of started with very different but overlapping experiences . And then , when we

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got married , we continued to travel , and

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when our oldest was a month old , I accepted a job overseas , so we moved to the island

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of Malta , which is a little island off the coast of Italy . So

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we moved there in 2014 . My

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daughter , betty , the youngest , was born there

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. We lived there until 2019 and then

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came back to the States and the whole time

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we were there we were like we should

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start a blog and we just never

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did anything about it . You know we're busy

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. We had young kids . I traveled

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for work about 50% of the time all over

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the world and then , as a family just being

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so , you know , centrally

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located in Southern Europe we traveled

18:38

a ton as a family . So it wasn't

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until we got back and it was COVID and

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we were bored out of our minds and we were stuck in our

18:44

house and we weren't able to do the things

18:46

that we love the most , that

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we were like , well , we should probably stop

18:51

talking about this and either just stop talking about

18:54

it or do something about it , but not

18:57

just keep whining that we want to start something

18:59

. And so here we are .

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And don't you think too , life goes by fast

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, but once you have kids , life goes by so

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fast .

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It's incredible . I mean , we're just talking , my oldest

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is nine and I moved out . Most I think guys my age that went to college , I was 18

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. I mean , we're just talking , my oldest is nine and I moved out , like most

19:13

I think guys , my age , I went to college , I was 18 . I was out of the

19:15

house . He's halfway there . Yeah

19:17

, he's halfway to potentially moving

19:19

out of the house , which is just , you know

19:21

, scary and sad and exciting

19:24

and everything , but it's

19:26

gone by in the blink of an eye .

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So do you feel like ? You know I don't have a lot of international travel under my belt

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. I've been to a handful of places , but I feel

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like when I was a new mom I was let

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alone going out of the country I

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had anxiety about I

19:45

had a January baby . So just by

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the time I would feed my baby , change

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my baby , bundle my baby

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, go to the bathroom , get everything in

19:54

the car and it was freezing cold

19:56

outside , I felt like it was time to like start

19:58

all over and I could never really even

20:00

leave the house . I just had so much

20:03

anxiety . But what if there's a blowout ? What if he's

20:05

crying in public ? What if I can't get

20:07

him to calm down ? And then you guys

20:09

are just in all these different countries

20:12

doing probably airport situations

20:14

, which is also terrifying and

20:17

anxiety provoking . So do

20:19

you feel like it helped you a

20:21

lot because you had already done so much of

20:23

that prior to being parents ?

20:26

I do , yeah and I . So we it's

20:29

a little bit of a tangent , but

20:31

you know we do a lot of canoeing and camping , and

20:33

so this last weekend we were in Madison

20:35

at an event called Canoe Copia , which is a big

20:38

gathering of weird people like like to canoe

20:40

and kayak , and we gave a talk on exactly this , but

20:42

less international , more like how do you , how

20:45

would you ever take a little kid , you

20:47

know , out in the woods . You

20:53

know out in the woods and you know . One of the themes that we talked a lot about was you know , you

20:55

as a parent have to either have those skills or have

20:57

the confidence that you can build them on the fly

20:59

to really be able

21:01

to take your kids out into those situations

21:03

. Because , I mean , you know you have kids , they

21:05

read our emotions . If you're afraid , they're

21:07

afraid . If you're stressed , they're going to be stressed

21:09

. If you can just fake it till you make

21:11

it and look very confident , they're going to go

21:14

along like nothing's going on . They'll never know there

21:16

was an issue . And

21:18

so I do think us having those experiences

21:20

beforehand helped a lot . I

21:23

also think we didn't have a whole lot of a choice

21:26

, because we had a very comfortable

21:28

suburban life in Minnesota

21:30

, this job came along . That was just too good to

21:32

turn down . The timing was awful

21:34

. So when we

21:36

got the offer we flew to Malta when my wife

21:38

was too pregnant to fly , so we

21:41

had to get doctor's notes and all

21:43

kinds of things to be able to do it , and

21:46

then all of a sudden we accepted it

21:48

and had to figure it out . So it was like we

21:50

didn't really have a whole lot of time to be

21:52

anxious about it because all of a sudden we were selling

21:54

everything out of our home . We were selling

21:57

our home . I mean , we were

21:59

packing up boxes . You know

22:01

, my son , for those first couple of months , lived in

22:03

a drawer at grandma and grandpa's house

22:05

. So we just pull one out of the dresser , put

22:07

some blankets in there , shove them in there , because

22:10

we didn't own anything anymore . We

22:15

sold the spices off the cabinet when we left , so we had nothing . So I do think it's a combo like

22:17

, yes , we had those skills and

22:20

you know , I think people perform

22:22

the best when you're just , you know , down

22:24

to no other options . We had no other options . We

22:26

had a flight that was bringing us to our no home

22:28

new home . We no home left here and

22:31

it was go time and

22:33

my wife actually flew . Her mom came

22:35

with , but she flew with my youngest

22:38

alone with her mom . I was already

22:40

working and trying

22:43

to find us a place to live and get us a

22:45

rental car and all that stuff ahead

22:47

of time .

22:53

I think I just had a situation

22:55

today where I was talking to somebody and

22:57

they had told me that they fly

23:00

all around the globe

23:02

for their job and I think

23:04

, like gosh , that's such a great opportunity

23:07

. I think that now , but I

23:09

feel like 15 years ago I probably wouldn't

23:11

have thought that , so kudos

23:14

to you . Ago

23:16

, I probably wouldn't have thought that , so kudos to you . And I mean , I think it's also cool for your

23:18

kids to be able to say like oh , I've lived in this country , I've lived in that country

23:21

, but do you so

23:23

? Then my next question is what

23:25

are the benefits to exposing your young kids

23:28

to international traveling and camping

23:30

and all those things that we're scared

23:32

to do ? I feel like most of us , but I feel like if you do expose them at a young

23:34

age , do ? I feel like most of us ? But

23:37

I feel like if you do expose them at a young age , then it's just like

23:39

normal to them , it's not like some new

23:41

thing . They just always remember life that way

23:44

.

23:45

I think that's exactly it . It's like

23:48

you , as a parent , you create what's normal

23:50

for your kids . So we all , each

23:52

of us as individuals , we have a version of

23:54

what we think is normal in the world , and probably

23:57

none of us are right . We're all some sort

23:59

of weird along some continuum . But

24:02

as parents , that's , I think , one of the big responsibilities

24:04

is for those younger years . You're

24:06

literally painting the picture of what a normal

24:09

life looks like , and so

24:11

I think the sooner you can start just

24:14

exposing kids to something different . It doesn't have

24:16

to be a trip to Europe

24:18

or anything crazy , it can just be to a different

24:20

town by you , or to try camping for

24:22

the first time , or to try different activities for

24:24

the first time . You know , I think it all helps

24:26

build resilience in kids , which

24:28

is , I think , a skill , or

24:31

whatever you want to call it , that you

24:33

know we all could use a little bit more of . You

24:36

know it teaches them kind of open-mindedness

24:38

and passion , so they

24:40

see the world , hopefully , more positively

24:42

and they see kind of the uniqueness between us

24:44

as something to be curious

24:47

about , not afraid of , and

24:49

that I think really , the more you travel , the more

24:51

you potentially can build

24:54

that kind of cultural

24:56

understanding . Just , you see

24:58

a lot of different people and you see them

25:00

for short periods of time , you know , in their

25:02

homes or in their home countries , and you

25:04

know it gives you a chance to see these different cultures and

25:07

to appreciate them for what they are and not just

25:09

kind of you know , you read about something

25:11

and you almost immediately go to negative

25:13

or some kind of comparison . But when you experience

25:15

it you just kind of enjoy it for what

25:17

it is and you move on and I think you

25:20

get kids started on that and you

25:22

build that into their brains and it's

25:24

going to be hard to turn them off from it .

25:28

I feel like too , when you're a kid , like

25:30

you said , whatever your life is like , that's normal

25:32

for you . And then , when you grow up

25:34

and then you look back on some of your childhood , you're

25:36

like oh , that really , that wasn't normal

25:39

. Most people don't do that

25:41

. So it is eye opening as

25:43

you get older and I feel like that

25:46

never ends , like you just always keep learning

25:48

new things about different people's upbringings

25:50

. I was going to ask you

25:52

when you take number one , young

25:55

were your , was I get you know you have

25:57

? You had one kid and then you had two , so how young

25:59

was your first child when you take them camping

26:01

and how minimalist camping do you

26:03

do ?

26:06

so this is where we think it's normal . But it's definitely

26:08

not going to be normal for you

26:10

know , any stretch of the imagination . But

26:13

the first camping trip we did

26:15

was in Malta . Just because we were there and

26:20

we only had one kid at the time and he was

26:22

probably one , I think

26:24

, maybe and we just hiked out

26:26

to what we thought was maybe public land

26:28

in Malta , which it's always

26:30

hard to tell , but there's a bunch of it

26:32

and you can usually do what you want . It's

26:35

hard to tell , but there's a bunch of it and you

26:38

can usually do what you want . And we biked in with a

26:40

tent , a couple of sleeping pads , our dog and a couple

26:42

of sleeping bags . That's it , and

26:45

that's more or less our style now . So had we been in the States that

26:48

first year he was born in July , probably

26:50

by September we would have done our first

26:52

kind of boundary waters trip

26:55

and it would have been two nights ish , something

26:57

like that , um . But

26:59

now we take the kids , you know 10

27:02

plus days , um

27:04

, in the boundary water . So this is very minimalist

27:07

camping . We have to haul everything

27:09

. It all goes in one canoe , um

27:11

, we're big fans of not

27:14

having that much stuff , because the more stuff you have

27:16

, it's more stuff to lose , it's more stuff to break

27:18

, it's more stuff to just occupy your mind

27:20

, share and worry about . So

27:23

I think probably a lot of people

27:25

listening if they saw what we

27:27

bring and we have it on our blog . We've got a Boundary Waters

27:29

packing list . It

27:31

would probably be anxiety inducing to

27:34

start , just because it would be such a different thing

27:36

. Because when you have kids you always think like you bring everything

27:38

, like we go on a road trip and

27:40

we could be gone , you know , two days to Madison

27:42

and nothing will be full to the top for

27:45

no good reason and nothing will be used and

27:47

you know it all gets shoved in there and then

27:49

you don't touch any of it . But when we

27:51

go camping or when we travel internationally

27:53

, but when we go camping or when we travel internationally , again through necessity

27:56

, you don't have that option anymore . That's

27:58

been stripped away from you . So we

28:00

have to carry all of our gear into the woods . It's

28:03

on my shoulders and my wife's shoulders and

28:06

we don't want to carry it . So

28:10

we don't bring a lot and I think it's kind of freeing and

28:12

the same when we travel internationally . I went to puerto rico

28:14

last last

28:17

january and

28:19

we checked one bag for

28:22

the four of us . We were there for five nights

28:24

, I think , and really we only checked the bag because we

28:26

brought snorkeling gear . We honestly

28:28

would have went on that trip with two carry-ons for the four

28:30

of us , you know , like the roller , you know

28:32

rectangle bags , and that would have been it and I think we

28:34

would have been just fine .

28:37

Now , when you were talking about what you brought camping

28:39

, you didn't mention any kind of food .

28:43

We bring a lot of food . Okay , I

28:46

was like , are you guys like hunting ?

28:47

and fishing .

28:50

No , we bring a ton of food , and

28:53

we do that when we travel too

28:55

. We

28:58

bring a ton of food , um , and we do that when we travel too . So a big part of it is like you know

29:00

, like young kids , if they're hungry it's already too late , like that ship has sailed

29:02

. They're in a bad mood . It

29:05

takes a long time to kind of calm them down

29:07

from that . So we learn very early , like you feed

29:09

them before they're showing signs of being

29:11

hungry , whether you're on an airplane or you're in a canoe . And

29:15

so we bring a ton of food , always

29:17

tons of snacks . So

29:19

when we travel we have a ton of snacks

29:21

with us . The first thing we do when we land is we

29:23

go to a convenience store , a corner store , grocery

29:26

store , and we stock up on things

29:28

that it looks like the kids might have

29:30

a chance of eating , and

29:32

then we just always have it with us . So then , if you're

29:34

at a hotel or airbnb and you

29:37

know you need breakfast , you're fine , and when we

29:39

camp , it's a lot of freeze-dried food

29:41

. I remember about a

29:43

couple years ago , you

29:46

know , the kids were just at an age when they just didn't like things , like

29:48

they don't like their food , groups touching each other

29:50

and they don't like things that are too mushy or not mushy

29:52

enough , and and we were really struggling like , what

29:55

are they going to eat ? And so we bought

29:57

basically every freeze-dried

30:00

package of food that REI sold

30:02

had a whole box shipped here and then

30:04

for a couple of weeks that's what they had for dinner . We just

30:06

tried them all and then until

30:08

we narrowed down on the few that

30:11

they liked , which was really few , and then for eight

30:13

nights straight they had to eat mac and cheese and by

30:15

the end of that I think they were wishing they would have

30:17

had a slightly more open mind and

30:19

, you know , would have given some

30:22

of those other options a fighting

30:24

chance .

30:25

I feel like most kids would choose to eat mac

30:27

and cheese every night if they could , so I

30:29

guess that's easy .

30:31

Exactly , and you got to pick your battles and you know

30:34

if they want to eat mac and cheese like

30:36

, go for it .

30:38

Now that your kids are older , do

30:41

they miss

30:43

all the ease

30:45

of access that they have at home , versus

30:48

when you guys are like off grid or

30:50

in a different country ? Are they

30:52

like , oh , when can we go home ? When can I

30:54

be on my tablet ?

30:56

Yeah .

30:58

Or do they really like getting away

31:00

?

31:02

They really like it and so kind of two

31:04

things out of this . Number one we just don't do

31:06

a lot of screen time at home . My

31:08

wife's an elementary school teacher . She

31:12

sees enough how much time kids spend already

31:14

at school . Um , it's definitely an

31:16

uphill battle , you know , keeping kids

31:18

off of it , but we don't have video games really

31:21

at home and they , you know

31:23

, maybe a couple hours a week or

31:25

something We'll sit down watch family movie nighter

31:27

, but it's more like kick them outside and they got to go

31:29

play with their friends or , you know , knock

31:32

on doors until someone's around , um

31:35

, and what we

31:37

notice more is kids are used

31:39

to very structured lives , you know . So

31:41

we're equally as guilty of it . Our

31:43

kids are involved in everything , even though we

31:45

always say we're going to try to not do it . It's

31:47

just like you get sucked into that world , you

31:50

know . So now both kids are playing hockey . I'm

31:53

coaching both their hockey teams . You know they'll play

31:55

baseball . I'll probably coach that daughter

31:57

will play softball . My wife will coach that , like they

31:59

do piano , like all kinds of stuff . And

32:02

what we notice , especially camping , is those first

32:04

two days are really rough

32:06

, and it's because all of a sudden

32:08

you take a kid from a very structured

32:10

environment and you just plop them out

32:13

in the woods where there's nothing you have

32:15

to do , there's like you know , you

32:17

don't have to wake up , no one's yelling at you to eat breakfast

32:20

, so you can get on the bus , you can get to school , and

32:22

it takes them a couple of days to adjust

32:25

to that new reality , even

32:27

with a life that we try to not

32:29

have it be too structured or have too much screen

32:32

time . Um , and then by

32:34

kind of day three , they're , they're

32:36

in it and they realize , like they remember , why they

32:38

love it and by the end they don't want

32:40

to go home , you know , but it is like it's

32:42

a , it's hard , and last

32:45

year we were in the boundary waters when they had the fire

32:47

ban and so you couldn't have

32:49

open fires because it was so dry . Um

32:53

, and the behavior we

32:55

saw out of the kids was different than we've ever

32:57

seen on these type of trips , like they were just still

32:59

wound up . They were really struggling

33:01

to just kind of be at peace with

33:03

where they're at and what they're doing

33:05

. And when we reflected on it , we think it's like

33:08

when you have a campfire , no matter what

33:10

style of camping you do . It occupies a lot

33:12

of time . You know you're looking

33:14

for firewood . You of camping . You do . It occupies a lot of time . You know you're

33:16

looking for firewood . You're building the fire . Kids are always poking it with a stick and

33:18

I think in their minds that's really exciting . So it can occupy

33:20

hours of time just poking a fire

33:22

with a stick . And when you take that away

33:25

from them and you're just out in the woods and you didn't bring

33:27

any toys or you know , we have a deck of cards and

33:29

that's as close to a toy as we have

33:31

like they were going nuts . They were

33:33

really struggling with how to occupy

33:35

their time in

33:38

a productive or , you know , non-annoying way

33:40

.

33:42

Is there any ? So , speaking of like a fire ban

33:44

, is there any time that something

33:46

might be happening , like with the weather , or

33:49

clearly not a fire ban

33:51

, but any situation where you're like , okay

33:53

, well , we were planning on going camping

33:56

, but now we're not , because of these

33:58

different variables ?

34:00

Or do you just go ?

34:01

through it . Oh , okay , you do Okay .

34:02

No . And so we , when

34:05

we go on these big trips , we bring an emergency

34:07

locator beacon which is like a you

34:09

know , hit the button and someone comes and finds you in

34:12

case something really bad happens . And we bring a weather

34:14

radio so we can listen to , kind

34:17

of , what's coming in . And there have been multiple trips

34:19

where we've cut them short just because we had

34:22

little kids with a big thunderstorm

34:24

was coming . You know , minnesota thunderstorms , especially

34:26

up in the Arrowhead region , can be pretty

34:28

fierce and

34:31

we just bail a day early or two days early

34:33

, go check into a hotel , continue

34:35

the family vacation . I mean , we all have the time off

34:37

, we're up there anyways , but

34:39

make sure that they're ending each trip on a high

34:41

note . And now that they're

34:43

older , unfortunately sometimes

34:46

we go so far into the boundary waters

34:48

we can't get out in a day . And

34:50

last year we did get stuck in a pretty bad storm

34:52

. Trees were falling around us at camp

34:55

. It was scary , but

34:58

I think we had eased them into this

35:02

kind of world that we think is normal

35:04

. Obviously is not normal , um

35:06

, and they were okay . It scared them . We

35:08

talked a lot about it for probably months

35:10

once we got home , um

35:12

, talked about kind of risk and how you

35:14

can't control everything

35:17

, like there are some things that like , if you want

35:19

to do exciting things , that there is a risk in

35:21

there and you have to just know

35:23

that . But also that

35:25

just because something scary happens doesn't mean you quit

35:28

or that you turn inward , that

35:30

you can still overcome it

35:32

and do it again . And so we've been

35:34

back and they were fine . We

35:37

were fine . There's

35:40

no shame in turning away or cutting

35:43

a day off or even or just

35:46

seeing if you're new

35:48

to it and it's going to be a rainy 50s

35:52

type weather . Just

35:54

don't do it . That's

35:57

going to be miserable , that kind of cold , wet , like . I don't even

35:59

want to do that . I probably still would because

36:01

I feel like I have to at this point , but

36:03

no one wants to do that , especially

36:06

your kids . So go to a hotel

36:08

, do something you know pivot , do something different . There's

36:10

no shame at all .

36:13

When I was a kid , I feel like we didn't go camping

36:15

or anything , but whenever we would go on a trip

36:17

or whatever and something didn't go as planned , I

36:19

feel like my parents were easily razzled

36:22

, and so then it was always like , oh gosh

36:24

, here we go . Then everyone

36:27

derails . Like you said , your kids kind of pick up on

36:29

what's going on with you and then they kind of follow

36:31

suit . So I think it is a really good

36:33

life lesson that you're bringing your kids deep into

36:35

the boundary waters and then , like

36:37

you said , you have that terrible storm . They

36:39

see you and your wife being patient

36:42

, knowing how to act , and

36:44

it's teaching them too , like how to pivot

36:46

, like life doesn't out , mostly does

36:48

not go the way we planned or intended to

36:50

go .

37:01

And you have to kind of , you know , go with the ebbs and flows . So that is a really good lesson at a young age to learn how to cope Exactly . And that's

37:03

when we travel internationally . That's how we plan trips , that's how we encourage families

37:05

to plan trips . You know , you have this idea and I always use Rome as

37:07

an example . But if

37:09

you're going to go visit Rome , italy , like you're going

37:11

to see the Colosseum , the Pantheon , like you

37:13

know the Vatican , like

37:18

like you're going to see the coliseum , the pantheon , like you know the vatican , like all these things

37:20

that you're just going to go see because you feel like you have to see them , and if you miss

37:22

one you're going to go home and you're going to feel like you didn't , you didn't

37:24

do roll . And

37:26

our viewpoint is you don't have to do any of those . You can just see

37:28

them on google , like you know , like I promise

37:30

you the pantheon in person with

37:32

a five and a seven year old , versus on google

37:35

. It's the same experience , probably better at home

37:37

. But there's all this other cool stuff

37:39

you can do with kids . That's more

37:41

kid appropriate , that's more at their level

37:43

, um , where you can still get a great

37:45

, like true italian experience

37:47

. You can still learn about the culture and the food

37:50

and that you know that part of the world . But

37:52

you don't have to chase things off of a list

37:54

, you can just ignore it and then

37:57

your day doesn't go as well as you had planned

37:59

. You've got one kid that's just unsettled and

38:01

you just pivot and skip and you never have that guilt

38:03

or that feeling of missing something

38:06

important so

38:10

kind of hand in hand with that .

38:11

What would be your biggest piece of advice

38:13

to parents who are considering doing

38:16

this for the first time ?

38:19

start small , you know . So don't stay

38:21

within your bubble , like

38:23

within your comfort zone . You still have to do something

38:25

, that's at least one . Like baby

38:27

step outside of it , because that's the only way we grow

38:30

and and . But

38:32

you don't have to do a trip to Europe

38:34

for your first one . I wouldn't recommend

38:37

it because then you're dealing with jet lag and long flights

38:39

and different languages and

38:41

all kinds of stuff . You

38:43

could just go to Belize . Belize

38:45

is in Central America . It's a wonderful country

38:48

. They speak English . You

38:51

will get plenty of new cultural experiences

38:54

. You can go in the jungle , so you

38:56

can have jungle experiences . You can ride horseback

38:58

and go canoeing or kayaking on jungle rivers

39:01

, visit mayan ruins that

39:03

you know I've been hiding in there for centuries

39:05

, and then you can go to the keys and

39:08

you can snorkel and swim and play at

39:10

a beach and stay at a more

39:13

normal hotel and

39:15

have a wonderful experience . And that flight from here

39:17

has to be four hours and

39:21

it's easy and that's going to push you . If you've never

39:23

done it before , that's going to push your boundary for sure

39:25

, but in a way that

39:27

trip's likely to be a success . Everyone's

39:30

going to come away from it not feeling

39:32

frazzled but feeling good and

39:34

then you can expand it . Then maybe you

39:36

go somewhere that's just Spanish speaking , so you take

39:39

out the comfort of the

39:41

language . Or you go

39:43

a little farther south , to South America

39:45

, where it's just a longer flight

39:47

and you do have some time zone issues , and

39:51

then work your way up to your Europe trip or your

39:53

Asia trip . Once you're feeling comfortable

39:55

and you've flown with your kids

39:57

before and you know like some kids

39:59

are great on flights , some aren't Like that's

40:01

not . You know , that's not the parent's

40:03

fault , that's , we're all individuals

40:05

and they are too .

40:08

But if you can kind of strip the trip down

40:10

to its basics and then just challenge

40:13

one piece at a time , One

40:16

of the things that always makes me nervous

40:18

about camping , especially

40:20

in a warmer weather state

40:22

, are like snakes and bugs , and I've

40:24

watched a lot of like monsters inside me

40:26

and I am terrified of snakes . So

40:28

how do you navigate that ?

40:32

So we don't camp where

40:34

there are are snakes .

40:36

We've not done that .

40:37

Yet I think I'm gonna keep it that way . I'm

40:39

very comfortable with the world . I know well

40:41

, um , you know , going

40:43

down to tennessee or south carolina or something

40:45

I'm not sure I'd like for me

40:47

, I wouldn't have the skills , like I wouldn't know what to identify

40:50

, how to think about it . You know

40:52

we're here . You

40:54

know minnesota it's really a

40:56

black bear is like the only , and

40:58

mosquitoes , like mosquitoes and black flies

41:00

will be just awful sometimes of the year , but you

41:03

know , for like real predators that are gonna could bother

41:05

you or cause any harm , that's really the only

41:07

one , um , we don't have

41:10

poisonous snakes , we don't have scorpions or

41:12

other stuff that's going to be in your sleeping

41:14

bag when you go in there . Um

41:16

, so I'm a bit with you .

41:18

I'll let someone else can do that love

41:33

the state parks and I was like whoa , there is too many snakes in florida . I am not .

41:35

I don't even want to go like in the jungle or even like a state park trail

41:37

, because there's snakes everywhere , that's not

41:39

my jam I would

41:41

do like I would camp somewhere like that or like

41:44

in central america or something with a guide

41:46

, like I want someone coming with me that

41:48

knows the area , knows if I'm gonna

41:50

grab for a branch and it's actually a snake , or something

41:53

Like that's going to make

41:55

sure I don't make those mistakes . But

41:58

here in Minnesota I can handle it . I've

42:00

done it my whole life , I'm comfortable . I

42:03

should probably be pushing my boundaries . That's what I always

42:05

tell people to do . I always feel like that's like the compromise

42:07

. Like I hate the weather , the winter weather

42:09

here .

42:10

Not this winter , it's

42:13

been fine . But then I always think about like okay , well , I don't have snakes

42:15

and I , or poisonous ones , ones that I

42:17

have to really worry about , I don't have hurricanes

42:20

, I don't . We don't really have tornadoes

42:22

. Honestly , I can't remember the last time that happened

42:24

. We don't have earthquakes , like we don't have all

42:26

these like terrible tsunamis , none of

42:29

that , but we just have cold winters

42:31

. So sometimes I'm like , all right , well , maybe that's worth it

42:33

.

42:34

Yeah , cold winters and bugs is really

42:36

the trade-off and I'm up to it with you . I'll

42:38

take those . They're , they're fine

42:40

. We've learned to love winter . We camp even

42:42

in the winter , um , even with the kids

42:44

, so , but it's doable

42:47

as a family . It takes a little bit different gear

42:49

, but you can . You can still get out and enjoy

42:51

it and , yeah , nothing , nothing else is going to kill

42:53

you do you feel like you

42:55

balance fun experience

42:58

and also learning experiences on

43:00

your trips ? I

43:03

think it would depend on how you define learning

43:05

. Like we don't do any

43:08

, like we're not going to museums

43:10

or art galleries or anything that you

43:12

would think like , just like what would first come to

43:14

mind from a kind of an

43:16

educational experience abroad , and

43:19

that's just cause kids don't like it . Like

43:21

sometimes they'll put up with yeah , it's boring

43:23

, they don't get anything out of it anyways . It's all

43:25

like above their heads . You're

43:27

just like shuttling them around trying

43:29

to figure it out . Like we've gotten to a couple

43:32

. We've done that when the kids were really

43:34

young and they would just fall asleep in a baby carrier

43:36

and so you would just get them to sleep

43:38

and you would spend , like you know , a half hour

43:41

at a art exhibit or something . Then

43:43

you'd book it out in there because you knew , you know , it

43:45

was time to feed or change them or do something

43:47

. Um , but what we

43:49

do do more is like

43:51

what we call like real cultural experiences

43:53

. So when we travel in Southern Europe

43:55

, we don't usually stay at hotels or in

43:57

major cities , and part of that

43:59

is just kids in cities , at least

44:01

for us it just is too

44:03

. For me it's too stressful . Like you're

44:06

worried about traffic and taking public transport

44:08

to places you don't know where you're going

44:10

, and like trying to figure all that out

44:13

. And being in a hotel room where you're all sharing one

44:15

big room when they go to bed at seven , is

44:17

also like not the greatest thing

44:19

for a vacation . And

44:21

so you know , all over southern

44:23

europe they have they're called , but

44:26

they're farm stays , and so italy's

44:28

especially popular for them . But

44:30

they're small , family-run farms

44:32

that have anywhere from , say , five

44:35

to 20 rooms , and

44:38

you stay there on the farm , you can get involved

44:40

in the farm , kids can pet the animals , they can go

44:42

milk the sheep or whatever they've got going on

44:44

, and

44:47

so they can learn through that kind

44:49

of less formal

44:51

path . And then a lot of

44:53

places we've stayed . We have one that we've stayed at many

44:56

times outside of Rome . We'll be going back to somewhere

44:58

to see them . You become friends with the owners

45:00

. You can take cooking classes with

45:02

them . They almost always cook

45:05

kind of homemade meals . A lot of the

45:08

ingredients come from the farm

45:10

or picked from the hillside . The wine's made

45:12

on site , the salamis

45:14

and everything are made on site . The cheese is made

45:16

on site . Like

45:24

you know , kids can learn a lot through that without ever having

45:27

to have it even feel like learning .

45:30

And so like balancing it , it's just they end up melding together

45:32

no-transcript

45:41

. Exactly

45:53

, yeah , I think that's true , and I think if my wife were here as the teacher , she would probably say kids

45:55

pick up . You know , they internalize more of it if they don't notice that they're working at it . And

46:03

also , I feel like you kind of touched on this earlier , but we hear so much about different

46:05

cultures and different countries and how they do things and how they live , but when you actually see

46:07

it , do it , live it , you have a whole new appreciation for

46:09

different cultures .

46:11

Exactly , and I do think we

46:13

have a tendency . Humans have

46:15

this negativity bias . We just automatically

46:18

kind of go to the negative for

46:20

whatever reason , and so when you read about a new culture

46:23

or something different , you're more likely

46:25

to lean towards the why

46:27

would they do that angle than

46:30

the curiosity about why would you do

46:32

that . I think when you experience it firsthand

46:34

you lean towards

46:37

the positive , like you're just excited

46:39

about it , everything's new , you've got new sights

46:41

, sounds , smells like you don't

46:43

just get into that kind of doom scrolling mindset

46:46

. You accept it for what it is

46:48

and you learn from it

46:50

and you appreciate it . And I think

46:52

you know for adults we

46:54

need more of that and if we can get kids started

46:56

at a young age , hopefully that sticks

46:58

in their mind and they at

47:01

least can stop themselves when they realize they're being negative

47:03

just for no apparent reason .

47:06

Yeah , and just even having more exposure too to

47:08

seeing like there's not just one

47:10

way , one culture . There's a lot of different

47:12

ways to do things and a lot of different

47:14

pros and cons , I

47:16

guess . But how about

47:18

, like , from a camping aspect , do your kids

47:21

have a lot of like , I

47:23

don't want to say survival skills , but like

47:25

, do you feel like they can build

47:27

? a fire or they can . You

47:30

know , I don't even know what survival skills are , because I don't camp

47:32

. Yeah , you know . Just don't even know what survival skills are , because I don't camp . Yeah , you

47:35

know , just all those like basic life skills

47:37

.

47:39

They do . Yeah , I mean they could start a fire

47:41

with dry wood . I think

47:43

if they were stuck out where , like , the woods was

47:45

just soaked , they'd be in

47:47

trouble . They

47:49

can build a little shelter with the tarp . Every

47:52

year we go to an event called the Winter Camping Symposium

47:54

, which also for us is very normal

47:56

, but I understand for most people that it's not going to be a

47:58

normal way to spend your MEA weekend

48:01

, but it's a gathering of

48:03

hundreds of people that like

48:05

to camp in the winter , and one of the attractions

48:07

for us is they offer a great kids program

48:09

during the day , and so the kids go

48:12

off and they learn all of these traditional

48:14

kind of bushcraft-like skills

48:16

. So they learn how to build a fire , cook over

48:18

a fire knife and kind

48:20

of axe or saw safety , and they

48:22

learn it from a very young age and

48:26

so , like our kids at seven and nine

48:28

, they have the basic building blocks of

48:30

those skills . You know

48:32

, in the backyard they could do all of it fine

48:34

with the stress of like a real survival

48:36

situation . I don't know how , you know

48:39

how that would go . They each , when we're in the

48:41

woods , carry their own little pack

48:43

that has all these essentials in it , and

48:46

we kind of started them young and that pack had

48:49

like a stuffed animal , a

48:51

water bottle and some snacks , and

48:53

each year we've just grown it with stuff that

48:55

they know how to use and

48:58

so you know , hopefully they'll never have to use it

49:00

, but they do have it and

49:02

you know it probably gives them a little confidence that they've

49:05

got something with them if they were to get lost or turn

49:07

around or something .

49:09

When you camp , do you hunt and fish and

49:11

eat what you catch ?

49:14

we fish , yeah , okay , yeah , we don't hunt

49:16

um while camping . I've

49:19

hunted as a kid . We do a little of it . I don't

49:21

do it as much as I used to , um

49:24

, and part of it's just like

49:28

there isn't that much wild land in minnesota

49:30

where you can like really get out , so

49:32

it's either it's very stationary hunting or

49:34

kind of your pheasant hunting , just

49:37

walking kind of a farmer's field or something , which

49:39

for me , I'd rather just go hiking in the woods

49:41

than do that . Like that's

49:44

just my thing . If we were in montana

49:46

or something and I could go on a long elk

49:48

hunt , I think I'd be pretty excited about that . Um

49:51

, but like you know , sitting in a deer stand for hours

49:54

on end just watching an open food plot

49:56

like I do it every year more for

49:58

other reasons than just hang out with the guys

50:00

. But yeah it's not anything .

50:01

I don't get the excitement I once did from it so

50:05

when you fish in your camping , then do you fillet

50:07

your own , do you clean them and cook them and eat them

50:09

yep , we do , yeah

50:11

, and so that's another skill the kids are slowly building

50:13

like they can .

50:15

They can catch fish now . They can cast pretty well

50:18

small fish . They

50:20

can take off the hook , usually

50:22

on their own . But if they catch anything that

50:24

would be edible , I

50:26

think they're just too afraid to like to grab

50:29

it and do what needs to

50:31

be done to get the hook out . But we

50:33

do . We don't eat a lot , um , like

50:36

, if we're fishing around here we don't keep anything , just

50:38

because you know the lakes around the twin cities don't

50:40

have a large fish populations , water

50:43

quality is not great and we don't need

50:45

that food to survive , so

50:47

it's more for sport . Yeah , and

50:49

the boundary waters where there's a lot less fishing pressure , especially when

50:51

we're deep into the boundary waters where there's a lot less fishing pressure , especially when we're

50:53

deep into the boundary waters , um

50:55

, then we will keep a couple of fish , but not

50:57

we never pack any out or anything like

50:59

that . We eat enough for maybe one or two meals

51:02

, um , during a week and throw

51:04

, throw the rest back so

51:06

has your son learned how to like help

51:08

you clean the fish he's

51:11

learned how to watch me , so we

51:13

got to the point where he'll you

51:16

know they'll both be involved and they'll

51:18

stick around when they're really young . They were like , no

51:20

, not not happening

51:22

. Um , so we're there . I

51:25

think he'll get there soon .

51:26

My curiosity is a weird a

51:28

weird like something

51:32

that figures in your mind like wait

51:34

, because you know , when you're little I mean even when

51:36

you're older if you've never hunted or fished

51:39

, you really don't have that

51:41

association of like this was an animal

51:43

and now I'm eating exactly we're like they

51:45

see , they see this live fish that they caught , and

51:47

then they see it get you know prepped for

51:50

a meal .

51:51

I think that just yeah , like what just happened exactly .

51:52

I think it takes some time to process and , you know , prepped for a meal .

51:53

I think that just yeah , whole like what just happened exactly . I think it takes some time

51:56

to process and , you know , both

51:58

our kids are pretty just like sensitive

52:00

kids , so I think just seeing death is hard

52:02

even when it's just a fish , um

52:05

, so that's not something I'll push

52:08

they'll . When they're ready , they'll be

52:10

ready . And then also , just from a knife safety

52:13

standpoint , like flea , knives

52:15

are notoriously fickle and they dull

52:17

easily and it takes some

52:19

quite a bit of pressure . You

52:21

know , cleaning a fish and I'm

52:24

not sure they're quite there yet

52:26

with kind of their , their

52:29

knife skills , and that's not

52:31

how I'd want them to get cut , because you know that'll

52:33

just scare them away from it . It'll

52:35

be the wrong experience . When they're ready

52:37

, they'll start . They'll hit an age

52:39

, like when I did , where if

52:42

you want to fish you have to do it . That's

52:46

the choice you're making .

52:47

So then you have to do the whole thing , not half of it , I

52:50

think when my parents were like , oh , you have to take it off

52:52

the hook yourself , I was like , all right , I'm done exactly

52:55

.

52:56

Yep , yeah , so they're there now they gotta start working

52:58

on that . So we're , we'll get them

53:00

there . But I do agree , like you know

53:02

, when he's a couple years older , if he wants to fish . Like

53:04

you can't only

53:06

do the the fun stuff , like yeah

53:08

, yeah , like something like that , you got to do the work part

53:11

too , uh , or you just don't

53:13

do it , and that's okay too .

53:16

All right , let's get into some juice

53:18

. This is my favorite part . I like to hear

53:20

the good I mean not that none of these

53:22

, all these stories were good , but the juicy

53:24

ones . Tell me some valuable

53:26

, some valuable lessons that you've learned

53:29

, some chaos that you've gone through you've

53:36

learned some chaos that you've gone through .

53:37

We've had a lot of chaos in our in our time , um , not always with a lesson attached

53:39

to it . Sometimes chaos is just chaos , like there's one I remember

53:41

when we moved to malta . It was , you know

53:43

, we were at a newborn and we were pretty alone

53:46

, like we were making friends , but we didn't know

53:48

anyone . Um , they

53:51

drive on the other side of the road and every

53:53

car is a stick ship . So my wife at that point did

53:56

not have either of those skills and , by the

53:58

you know , not long after she she

54:00

got them . Um , but so she would

54:02

walk a lot and it's reasonably walkable . So I

54:04

remember she was walking and we

54:06

into a lot of strollers . So she had

54:09

a baby carrier on the front and he

54:11

was four or five months

54:13

old , walking right past the school

54:15

in our neighborhood where , like all the

54:17

parents are out picking up their kids and

54:19

he has a blow up out that just squirts

54:22

it all through

54:24

that carrier just like a tube of

54:26

toothpaste , all up right

54:29

in front of the school . And

54:31

she called me , just horrified and

54:34

go back , wasn't able to go

54:36

to the grocery store , wash

54:39

everything , get him cleaned up

54:41

face the embarrassment of the

54:43

whole neighborhood seeing it , which they probably didn't see

54:45

anything . But you feel in those situations

54:47

, you feel like everyone sees it . So

54:50

, yeah , that was uh , I

54:53

feel so bad for her . Yeah , literally

54:56

messy , yeah yeah

54:58

, and then you know , with

55:00

little kids it always seems to revolve

55:02

around some type of body bodily

55:04

movements . But I remember our first

55:07

boundary waters trip . My

55:09

daughter was still in diapers and

55:11

so we packed in enough diapers for

55:13

the trip . You know , she had been

55:15

potty trained during the day forever but

55:19

needed them at night . Hadn't

55:21

pooped in a diaper for ever

55:24

. Last night

55:26

, last diaper . What

55:29

does she do in the tent ?

55:31

She kills it out .

55:32

Yep . And so now we're like what do she do in the tent ? She kills it out

55:34

, yep . And so now we're like , like , what do we do ? Do we like

55:36

scrape it out and reuse it , cause she's got

55:38

to sleep in her sleeping bags all night and she will

55:40

have an accident Like she's doesn't have that control

55:43

yet . Um , and

55:45

we went that route . Luckily , it just kind of like dropped out

55:47

and we put it back on her and

55:50

you survived the night

55:52

. Yeah

55:56

, it back on her and you survived the night . Yeah , and we learned that time

55:58

, like , bring an extra diaper , even if it's weight

56:01

that you have to carry through the woods , it's , it's a necessity .

56:04

Yeah , so traveling

56:06

internationally , safety

56:08

concerns ? The world is a different place

56:10

than it was even five , ten years ago

56:12

. What , um ? How

56:14

do you approach safety concerns ? How are you kind

56:16

of cautious about things , to be

56:18

more careful about ?

56:21

any advice on that , yeah

56:23

so I mean , some of it

56:25

is just , like I think I said earlier , like

56:27

certain risks you can't hedge

56:29

or you can't get out of life . They just exist , um

56:32

, but you can pay attention to kind of , especially

56:35

what's coming out of the embassy , like what's going on in a

56:37

country you're visiting . If you're going to the italies of the

56:39

world , it's not a big deal . Um

56:42

, you do have , to , like , with italy , you have

56:44

to understand that mafia still controls

56:46

parts of Italy and there's like neighborhoods that you're

56:48

not going to want to go in , so just stay

56:51

, you know where you should be

56:53

. And

56:55

then , like we leave our wedding rings

56:57

at home , watches at home . We don't

56:59

wear jewelry , like

57:02

no matter what type of trip , we might have one

57:04

nice outfit , but with kids , like you're not going

57:06

to a nice dinner anyways . You know it's beat

57:08

up shorts , flip-flops , yeah

57:11

, a ratty t-shirt , like we don't look like

57:13

someone that yeah you don't look like tourists , either

57:15

to rob , yeah , um

57:17

, we take pictures , you know

57:19

, of all of our . You know passports and credit

57:22

cards and everything , and we leave them with one of our parents

57:24

or both parents here , so so if something happens , we

57:26

can call and get their credit card numbers or

57:28

whatever off of them .

57:29

That's a really smart idea .

57:32

Don't bring purses , I don't bring a

57:34

wallet . Or , like my big normal wallet

57:36

, I leave a lot of stuff at

57:38

home and just bring

57:40

, usually like two credit cards

57:42

in case something happens with one cash , keep

57:45

it in my front pocket . Cards

57:47

in case something happens with one cash , keep it in my front pockets . Or just so , like

57:49

you take away reasons for people to bother you and they're going to go to an easier

57:52

target . You know , if you look like a bum

57:54

and you don't have bulgy pockets

57:56

, they're going to go to the lady with the big handbag , you

57:58

know , and then at least from like a pickpocket standpoint

58:00

which is , you know , in europe , probably one

58:02

of your big risks you

58:05

don't have to worry about it , that's another thing

58:07

about being minimalist traveling

58:09

is yeah , you're not a target . Yeah

58:12

, exactly yeah . And we do like

58:14

when the kids were really little , we didn't

58:16

bring strollers because that's like you're tied

58:18

up with it . The streets are narrow , usually

58:20

it's hard . So we

58:22

always did carriers or a backpack and

58:26

we would bring our . We would usually rent a car because

58:28

we were staying outside the cities and

58:30

so one thing we would do is we just brought their car seat

58:32

from home . We put in a big black garbage bag

58:34

. That way we always knew if

58:37

we were taking a taxi or we were renting our

58:39

car . We had them in the car seat . They were

58:41

secure . Because that , I think

58:43

, is one big challenge traveling

58:46

overseas is you get there and you need to take

58:48

some sort of transportation and

58:51

you don't have access . Like you take a cab , you don't have

58:53

a car seat and then you're sitting with an infant

58:55

and like

58:57

you get in a big accident , you can't hold onto

59:00

that kid or if they're in a seatbelt , like that's

59:02

just going to be bad , there's no good , that's going to come

59:04

from it . Um , and so we

59:06

learned , learned with stuff like that and

59:09

your backpack for

59:11

your kids , if you use one

59:13

. We had a Deuter backpack

59:15

we always brought . Airlines

59:20

don't consider that part of your baggage allowance

59:23

so you can check that

59:25

stuff to your heart's desire . And

59:30

so we always just threw the car seats in a big , big contractors garbage bag to try

59:32

to protect them a little bit . Um , and then when we got there like you'd have

59:34

like the awkward walk to your rental car and your

59:36

first hotel or something like carrying kids

59:38

and car seats and all this stuff , but

59:41

then you knew that for the whole trip you had a safe

59:43

way to get from point a to be point b that

59:46

was something else I was going to say earlier is you

59:48

know you were talking about how , when you go

59:50

to Wisconsin or wherever , and you load

59:53

up your car with more things than you're ever going

59:55

to need or use .

59:57

I work in OBGYN and people are always like

59:59

you know , when they get close to their due date they're like , oh

1:00:01

, I just want this baby out of me . And I'm like , oh

1:00:03

, just you wait , because you think

1:00:05

that you're heavy and uncomfortable now

1:00:07

, like once you have to cart around that

1:00:10

carrier and a stroller and

1:00:12

a diaper bag . And then you're

1:00:14

you're leaking breast milk like it

1:00:16

gets way worse it keeps

1:00:19

getting more complicated .

1:00:21

We've got pictures of both of us carrying just like

1:00:23

what was still minimalist

1:00:25

but just ungodly amounts of stuff through the streets

1:00:28

of Paris , like just trying to desperately

1:00:30

find our Airbnb before

1:00:32

our arms fell off .

1:00:34

Right , oh my gosh .

1:00:37

Yeah .

1:00:38

Anything else that you would like to share ?

1:00:42

I think the main thing is

1:00:44

for parents , like it's normal

1:00:47

to feel anxiety about traveling , especially

1:00:49

when you've got those young kids . And just having

1:00:51

a baby in the house or a toddler , that

1:00:54

enough is new . You know that's already

1:00:56

pushing your bounds , um , but

1:00:58

just try to take those little steps . Find

1:01:00

ways that you can do something that's just

1:01:02

a little off off of your beaten path and then start compounding

1:01:04

it , start adding to it . You know our story is unique . You know , and then start

1:01:06

compounding it , start adding to it . Our story is unique

1:01:08

. It's unique to us . I

1:01:10

don't think people should hear what we're saying and try

1:01:12

to emulate our life , because it's a

1:01:15

mismatch of different

1:01:18

opportunities , randomness

1:01:20

and how

1:01:22

we grew up . But hopefully you can

1:01:24

find some inspiration , that you can find your own path

1:01:26

that takes you somewhere challenging

1:01:29

and new and fun and unique and and

1:01:31

somewhere that you know helps your kids grow and build

1:01:33

some of these other skill sets .

1:01:37

And then let everyone know

1:01:39

where they can find you , where they can find your blog

1:01:41

. I'm going to add that in the show notes , but

1:01:44

because this , this doesn't end here

1:01:46

, you guys continue to travel and camp

1:01:48

, so there's going to be more to come , so

1:01:50

where can we find that info ?

1:01:52

You can find us on Facebook , Instagram

1:01:55

and Pinterest . Same handle

1:01:57

from Tent2Takeoff and

1:01:59

the website is from tent2takeoffcom

1:02:02

, so anywhere you look that we have

1:02:04

a presence . We're

1:02:06

there . We're probably most active on Instagram

1:02:08

and the blog , and then Facebook

1:02:10

is kind of something we're working on , and

1:02:12

Pinterest is pretty new to us . That's a very new

1:02:14

world .

1:02:17

All right . Well , anthony , thank you so much

1:02:19

for coming on the podcast and sharing

1:02:21

your story and all your expertise

1:02:23

on traveling and camping . I definitely

1:02:25

learned a lot , so

1:02:27

, yeah , we'll talk to you soon .

1:02:29

Sounds good . Thanks for having me , absolutely

1:02:32

.

1:02:37

So Anthony was so lovely , offered

1:02:39

so many tips and

1:02:42

I know that he told me that . If

1:02:44

any of you have any other questions

1:02:46

, he's happy . If you want to reach out

1:02:48

to him , you can find him at

1:02:51

From Tent to Takeoff on Instagram

1:02:53

and yeah , yeah , yeah

1:02:55

, yeah , yeah , yeah yeah . I

1:02:58

forgot to tell you that I took Tyson

1:03:00

to Omni Brewery this weekend this

1:03:02

past weekend you told me that and he is

1:03:05

such a good dog , he's just so great

1:03:07

. Anyway , he thoroughly enjoyed

1:03:09

himself . What's wrong ? You

1:03:12

didn't get to come .

1:03:13

Did you not have a girlfriend ? I don't know .

1:03:15

What did you say ?

1:03:16

Did you not have a girlfriend ?

1:03:17

You have a girlfriend ? No . I just

1:03:19

got excited that I was going to learn something on the

1:03:22

podcast . Nah , I

1:03:24

did hear , though , today that a lot of people

1:03:26

say hi to you and you just keep walking

1:03:28

and don't talk to anybody , no one says that . Literally

1:03:32

no one says hi to me .

1:03:32

Jesse says hi to you , nope , never .

1:03:34

Justin told me he says hi to you every day .

1:03:37

That is not true .

1:03:38

Nope called out .

1:03:40

That is not true .

1:03:40

All right okay .

1:03:41

I've never even seen him look at me when I walk by .

1:03:43

You're probably just oblivious , not paying attention

1:03:45

.

1:03:46

I'm not . He's always talking to someone . I never walk by

1:03:48

him . No , never

1:03:50

.

1:03:52

I don't know what he's talking about . I can't hear you

1:03:54

.

1:03:55

I don't know what he's talking about , but all right .

1:03:58

What happened ?

1:04:00

Nothing , nothing .

1:04:03

Are you speaking another language ? All I heard was what I can't

1:04:05

understand you . Are you speaking another ?

1:04:07

language .

1:04:07

All I heard was womp , womp , womp . Okay , what ? That's not very nice . Well , I can't understand

1:04:09

you . I'm not Charlie .

1:04:10

Brown's teacher . Okay , Well , that's what you sound like . Okay , I'm not Charlie Brown's

1:04:12

teacher .

1:04:12

Who are you ?

1:04:14

Mr Yap yeah .

1:04:17

All right , we went to your driver's ed

1:04:19

meeting . Did I talk about this already ? This ?

1:04:21

week .

1:04:22

Getting down to the nitty gritty of signing up for behind

1:04:24

the wheel doing

1:04:26

your permit test . You

1:04:29

said that they asked the question about the sign

1:04:31

in your class and you knew it because we

1:04:33

had done it on the podcast , so

1:04:35

that was exciting , all

1:04:38

right . So I have a question for you today that

1:04:40

is going to be on your permit test . Are you ready for

1:04:42

it ?

1:04:42

I'm ready . I'm ready , let's lock in .

1:04:47

When you have your permit and you're driving , at what blood alcohol concentration

1:04:50

are ? No , no , no , no , no , no , no

1:04:52

, no .

1:04:52

No , no , no .

1:04:53

Alright , I'm going to re-ask this . You

1:04:55

have your permit and you're driving

1:04:57

. How much alcohol can you have to drink

1:05:00

? Zero , good job

1:05:02

. Good job , zero

1:05:04

.

1:05:04

It's because I'm a big boy now .

1:05:06

When you have your actual license and you're

1:05:08

18 , how much alcohol

1:05:10

can you have when you drive ?

1:05:12

Zero . Good job , zero either way

1:05:14

. Like you can't have any .

1:05:15

When you're 21 and you have your license

1:05:18

. How much alcohol can ?

1:05:20

you drink .

1:05:21

Good answer Literally zero . Good

1:05:23

answer Negative zero . How much

1:05:25

weed can you have ? Literally zero answer .

1:05:26

Negative zero . How much weed can you have ?

1:05:27

Literally zero Okay .

1:05:28

Literally zero of anything . That's bad .

1:05:30

Sober driver . Driver , I

1:05:32

was going to say driverine .

1:05:34

Sober driving only . Oh

1:05:36

, that doesn't matter , smoking doesn't matter .

1:05:38

Smoking cigs ? Yeah , Well , that's . Are you going to do that

1:05:40

?

1:05:41

No , but like that doesn't matter . No

1:05:43

, it's not illegal , it's just disgusting .

1:05:45

I would never do that because it's fucking nasty , nasty

1:05:47

, all right , do you have a ? Would you rather for me ? Good

1:05:50

job on that . I'm really proud of you on that

1:05:52

question . I'm a genius , actually , you are a genius . I'm a genius in

1:05:54

my class , you are .

1:05:55

All right , are you ready ? Mm-hmm

1:05:57

, would you rather never

1:05:59

be rejected . Never

1:06:02

fail , ever again . Never fail , ever again

1:06:04

.

1:06:05

So let me tell you a good story about this question

1:06:08

. A dear friend of mine you

1:06:10

might know him , his name is Dave Ryan told

1:06:12

me that if

1:06:14

people don't like you and

1:06:17

if people reject you , it

1:06:19

means you're doing something right . You're being

1:06:21

interesting because you can't make everybody

1:06:24

like you . So I think

1:06:26

rejection is okay . I think that those are the people you don't want to be associated

1:06:28

with . Make everybody like you . So I think rejection is okay . I think that it those

1:06:31

are the people you don't want to be associated with any way , that reject you . And also

1:06:33

I think that if you get rejected

1:06:35

, that gives you room for

1:06:37

growth . So I

1:06:40

would rather get rejected and never

1:06:42

fail .

1:06:42

I think people reject you because you're different , like

1:06:44

me . You are different . Nah

1:06:47

, it's because I'm not

1:06:50

weird totally .

1:06:50

You are weird , you're just very non-social

1:06:53

.

1:06:53

No , I'm not .

1:06:54

I have a good energy once I get to know someone

1:06:56

you do , but you're very shy .

1:06:58

I'm not very shy , it's just like it's awkward

1:07:01

starting a conversation Like I don't want to get in that

1:07:03

moment where it's just you have nothing to say and it's

1:07:05

just awkward . That is not good .

1:07:07

Making it awkward is like Then you just walk away when

1:07:10

there's nothing left to say you just you don't just be like

1:07:12

how's your day and then be like yeah , blah

1:07:14

, blah , blah .

1:07:15

And then you just go into another subject and be like Then

1:07:25

you just be like when you're not

1:07:29

like that , but like never mind , I don't

1:07:31

understand .

1:07:32

I don't know why it's hard . I just say when you're done talking

1:07:34

like you're done talking you're just talking to some random

1:07:36

person well , I mean

1:07:38

yeah park random .

1:07:41

What park random ?

1:07:42

what does that ?

1:07:43

mean , it's just park random

1:07:45

just someone from around here . That's random

1:07:47

.

1:07:48

You don't say it , you don't just be like , hey , hi .

1:07:51

No , not just some random .

1:07:53

So I think it's more awkward to try

1:07:56

to not look at each other when you're passing each other

1:07:58

versus just saying hi , because

1:08:01

you're trying so hard not to look at each other

1:08:03

, like , oh , don't look , don't make eye contact

1:08:05

.

1:08:06

I'd rather just be like I don't care if I make eye contact

1:08:08

with some random , what ?

1:08:10

You guys , then do you just stare each other down when you're coming

1:08:12

towards each other ?

1:08:13

Yeah , if someone's looking at me , I'm going to stare

1:08:15

his ass down what ?

1:08:16

What are you looking at ? That's weird .

1:08:23

Okay , how many times I .

1:08:24

How often are you in public with me and I just

1:08:26

am chatting . People just want to chat with

1:08:28

me all the time .

1:08:32

I just have a face .

1:08:34

I have a face where people just feel like they need to tell me everything

1:08:36

. It's just something

1:08:38

that I bring out in people . I can't help it

1:08:40

. But you , you're

1:08:43

just nothing . Well

1:08:45

, for adults it's different . If someone says hey to you , are

1:08:47

you just like no ? No , I obviously

1:08:49

say hey back , Do you Okay ? I ?

1:08:51

don't know . That's what I'm asking . Some people say hey and

1:08:53

every time I say hey back , they laugh or something

1:08:55

. They just do it as a joke . Well

1:08:57

, they're the ones that look silly . Yeah , I know , I don't

1:08:59

know what they're doing .

1:09:00

Then when they do that , why ?

1:09:01

wouldn't you

1:09:04

? That would just make me the goober

1:09:06

.

1:09:08

All right . Do you want to hear a funny joke Now

1:09:10

time ? Yep , why did

1:09:12

Piglet have his head in the toilet ?

1:09:15

He wanted to swirly .

1:09:20

All right , one more time . Why did Piglet

1:09:22

have his head in the toilet ? He

1:09:26

was looking for poo .

1:09:29

Oh , my god , that's

1:09:32

funny .

1:09:33

Alright , that's it , another episode

1:09:35

of On Our Best Behavior . Thank

1:09:37

you for listening and don't

1:09:39

forget to support our show Aight .

1:09:42

Bye , bye .