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Welcome to On the Soul's Terms podcast, a weaving of astrology, greek mythology and depth psychology.

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I'm Chris Skidmore, an astrologer, psychotherapist and craniocyclotherapist living in Ubud, bali.

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In this episode, I talk with Martha Alter Hines.

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Martha is a mother, an author, a healer and an astrologer.

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She has 20 years of experience as a clinical social worker, psychotherapist and body worker.

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She's primarily studied evolutionary astrology with Ari Moshay-Wolf as well as with Heather Ensworth.

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Martha Bridges had trauma-informed clinical background, with her astrological knowledge as well as a deep understanding of ourselves as beings of the cosmos, earth, divine heart, mind and so much more.

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The image of Pisces is two fish swimming in opposite directions, connected by a column of stars.

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Today, martha opens up about her own mediation between these two fish, one heading down towards the mystical waters of soul, the other swimming up, the other swimming up to the everyday world.

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Before we hear from Martha, I want to thank you all for joining me for this tour of the Zodiac and to all of the incredible guests who have come with me along the way.

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It's been a true voyage of discovery and I hope you've enjoyed it.

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If you have any feedback for the show, I'd love to hear from you.

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Feel free to email me at chris at skidmoredynamicscom.

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I'll be taking a break for a couple of months and we'll be back soon with a new project for the podcast with the working title A Year of Mess.

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But for now I bring you my conversation with Martha Ulter Hines.

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Welcome to the show, martha Ulter Hines.

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Thank you so much for joining us for this Piscian final episode of the cycle that we've been in since Aries season last year.

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It's been such a wonderful journey and I was thinking about how you've invited me onto your channel and we've had these incredible discussions.

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Both the two of us have had some really amazing chat, and then Melanie Reinhardt has been the third of our grandtriune as one of your guests or one of your listeners put it exploring.

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We've been exploring Venus and Nanna and then so many other things I was just kind of aware of.

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I'd love to flip the table here and really get to know you, because I feel you've always been really getting to know me and although we do know each other from all of our different exchanges, it's like we haven't actually had the opportunity for me to interview you and hear your story, and so that is part of the desire to have you on the show and to really hear about your own journey that has so many similarities to my own and there's a real Piscian through line to your journey, and so I know this is going to be a broad question, but can you introduce yourself to us?

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Oh, that is a very broad question.

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Yeah, well, I warned you.

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Yeah, well, thank you, yeah, and I'll first just say very honored when you asked me, because I absolutely love your podcast and your guests have been a little off the chart and how beautiful they've been.

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So just thank you for the honor of having me here on that level.

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And then number two, as we were talking about before we started recording, it is pretty unusual for me to be the one being interviewed.

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I do have the Pisci's son in my seventh house and so I think in the last two years I've interviewed 80 people more than 80 people.

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Somewhere in that. Yeah, it's a pretty unusual opportunity for me actually is this Pisci's son in my seventh house to be the one who gets to just be myself.

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And also, as I was saying to you before we started recording, it's also pretty significant to me that I feel like I trust you enough to really open my Pisci's self to you and to be to talk about myself in this way, right?

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And so I also have a Virgo moon, born on a full moon in Virgo, so I have that dance between my Pisci's and Virgo self.

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I was born in Bangkok, thailand, and we happen to be recording this on the morning of my birthday, where you are in Bali, not too far from Bangkok, but I'm over here in California, so where I'm actually sitting, it's not quite my birthday yet it is for you, right?

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And you happen to be there near ish, where I was born.

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So happy birthday, martha, thank you.

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And, for people more astrologically minded, the solar return, which is where the sun returns back to the same exact same spot each year, which is kind of like your astrological birthday was about half an hour before we got on the call or, you know, within an hour of our call.

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So we really are. We really are kind of like highlighting this son of Martha's that's in Pisci's, in the seventh.

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I guess a lot of people listening are like what does that mean?

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What does the seventh house mean? The seventh house is an interesting one in astrology.

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It's opposite the first house, so it's opposite the house of the self, so it's essentially the house of the other.

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So as Martha saying 80 people that she's been interviewing and then maybe on the occasionally being interviewed herself, and perhaps when she's interviewed she leans into her first house, cusp, which is the ascendant, which is Virgo, and their moon in Virgo is there, so maybe present something that is that is Virgo and in the sense of ordered and structured and maybe a bit more mindier, a bit more organized and prepared perhaps.

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Well, and I would say, a big thing for me with my Virgo moon is feeling like myself in a very self contained temple, like a very sacred temple where I'm, I have all I need in myself, in a sense right.

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And then for me to open the Pisci's part feels like I'm opening that Virgo temple and letting you actually see me Right, right, as opposed to the that more organized priestessy being.

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That is also me but is more of, maybe, what I show when I'm the one facing yeah, you know, yeah.

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So then when I ask the question of introduce yourself, it is a.

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It's a more difficult question than it sounds.

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Maybe I could ask it this way how has that Pisci's son shaped your world and your world view and your experience of life shaped your journey through this life?

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I like that question, so one what comes to me is, like I was saying, I was born on this full moon.

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I was actually born at moon rise, little before sunset, in Bangkok, thailand, right.

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So the moon was, I mean, precisely on the horizon, which I think is really interesting.

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And so I was born in Thailand.

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But I was actually. My parents were living in Bangladesh at that time, so they had flown to Thailand to give birth, because the Bangkok hospitals are better than the ones in Dhaka, anyway.

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But so a lot of my childhood was in South Asia, and when you ask that question, how does you know the Pisci's son inform my life?

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The image I that immediately came to me was when I was eight years old, I lived in Peshawar, pakistan.

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So Peshawar, for people who don't know, peshawar is on the border of Afghanistan.

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It's where the Khyber Pass is. So the Khyber Pass is this mountain road that is really famous.

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You know, like Alexander the Great went through there, all a whole series of different empires came through the Khyber Pass, like the Ottoman Empire, the Mongols, the all these ancient layers of time that came through that, literally through that road, and so I have these memories.

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My dad used to take me and my sister to various locations near Peshawar and other parts of Pakistan and I remember, even as a child I didn't, I wasn't conscious that this is what was happening, but we would go to these old ruins.

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One of this, one memory of my dad would take us to this ruin.

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It was this huge pile of shards of pottery and, and the pottery were.

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You know, the shards of pottery from all different time periods, so like layer after layer after layer after layer of thousands of years of ruins, all just sitting there, nobody examining it, nobody taking it.

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It just was there. This isn't in the mid 80s and when we would walk up to the top of that pile and then we would eat kebabs and naan, like sitting on top of literally layers of time.

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What I, when I look back on it now, what I remember, is that I was feeling and I was seeing the layers of time in my being, like again, I wasn't conscious at age eight that that's what was happening, but I know now that that I can see it in my mind, all these layers that I was feeling on an energy body level.

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That's something that is still true for me, that when I go to any place and also, when I have my hands on and when I'm in a particular place on the earth, I see layers of time of the being of the person and also of the being of the place, and that was true for me even as a kid, but I didn't understand.

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That's what was happening. That's what comes up when you ask that question.

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That's exactly it, isn't it? So this is an amazing image that you bring forward and one that I hope that my podcast is attempting to do.

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Now that you mentioned the image, I'm like oh, it's a bit like that.

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What we're trying to do here the layers of history actually and you know, this is the fascinating thing about an individual human history, or a collective human history, or earth history it is just examining multiple layers, isn't it?

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Like that is archaeology. And at some point you get to a layer where the more rational understanding of things it doesn't really work anymore, because you just got a couple of fragments and a couple of and you're piecing them together and actually you're filling in the blanks.

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You know, we think this whole archaeological processes as a super rational, sensible thing to do, but actually you're looking at this little bit of something and this painting in a cave and then extrapolating you know, ultimately and that's to do it the Virgo way, I would say, to do it the Pisces way is to see an intense experience that there's a reality underneath these layers of history, that there's a really reality underneath all these ceramics that you can actually feel kind of like.

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When Hermes is singing his first song, he sings to Nemozini, the mother of the nine muses, whose name means cellular memory, and so there's a plugging into some kind of a cellular memory.

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That's happening, and how that happens is who knows right, I mean, it just begins to happen.

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Can I follow up? Yes, please, actually part two.

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Yes, I'm just remembering there is a part two.

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Good.

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It fits with exactly what you're saying, like the how.

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I don't have an explanation for the how.

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So this, what I was describing was when I was eight years old, right in the mid 80s, and so fast forward, when I was in my mid 20s, I moved to California, I got married and I had kids and anyway but my kids dad at the time, my husband we went to LACMA, which is the LA County Museum of Art.

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I love all those museums and in the basement of that museum I don't know if it's still true, but at that time there was a beautiful display of Indian art, like art from India or the subcontinent of South Asia and various parts of what used to be called India.

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We're enjoying it, looking around, and we got to this one spot and my entire being was like a magnet.

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I went straight over to this one display and there was a little piece of pottery and I was like, and my entire being just went straight to it.

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I had no idea why I felt this way, but I could feel it and I said I know exactly where that's from and I, what I had was the memory of that being on top of that mountain of shards of pottery, right.

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So then I looked at the display and they had a description, and then they had a map of the Indian subcontinent where, precisely where it was from, it was from that part of Pakistan.

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Wow.

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And I went oh my God, how did I know that?

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No idea, no idea.

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It brings to my mind the idea that I see in energy.

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At its core is the process of forgetting and the process of remembering, because there's just too much.

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This is why I think the transition from Aquarius to Pisces is in that point that holds the two of those signs together.

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The Aquarian ideal, which I absolutely respect and honor as well, is trying to gather all the information that's possible to be gathered, and the Piscian ideal is that's just not possible to gather all the information here, because there's so actually in the desire to know.

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We're going to cut out a lot of things, but you can understand that, because we need to have that canon of knowledge.

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That's obviously true.

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And yet when we go into the Piscian, that's a really good image.

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There's a smallness to it and it holds an enormous memory or it holds a piece of history or something.

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It holds a piece of our collective knowing, and even what you tapped into in that moment.

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It's so absurd that I think that the mind just goes like let's just.

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I think it'd be easy to understand reality if we take all of those little things, of those moments which I think in any given life, and maybe put this out to the audience of like as the listener.

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When have you had that moment or when in your life have you experienced that?

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Because it's probably quite common to experience something that you just there's no explanation for, there's no how, but you just have this like flash or a deep soul knowing of something and it turns out to be correct.

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But you can sense how, because there's so many of them and they don't really line up in a logical framework, we just kind of put it all over to the side.

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Just put it over. There is like I don't really understand that.

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So that's just kind of like take it out of reality and something just weird and coincidental.

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And you know this kind of thing and Pisces chooses to not do that.

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You know, somebody explained to me when I was in my 20s and I met this series of mystical older women which characters, I suppose, or wisdom keepers that there's like that flirt from the universe and rather than ignore it, they go with it.

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That was the basic description of, say, clairvoyance or mystics or mediums, rather than say will, that can't be, that's not they.

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There's a drifting towards that thing rather than away from it.

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That's the basic premise of gathering that kind of information you're talking about.

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That has no how to the knowing. What did you do with this?

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So this is an eight year old Martha who's experiencing this and then later in LA, you're experiencing that memory.

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You know, what did you yourself to?

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Given that there's a lot of that other mutable energy in your chart Mutable other mutable signs like Sagittarius and Gemini and Virgo how did you integrate or disintegrate this information?

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I mean this is so interesting because I'm trying to let my Pisces son lead in myself right now as you know, engaging with your questions.

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Where that son takes me next is when I was about 21.

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I was in college. Since high school I had been attending the unity church with my mom and there was a somebody there who taught Reiki.

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There was something in me. I could not not learn Reiki.

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It was like I had to do it. What happened was that when I was first learning Reiki, that then opened up this whole part of me that clearly had always been there, this whole, you know, piscian part of me.

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I think. Before that I wasn't not interested in spirituality, I wasn't it.

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Just none of it was very conscious.

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And what happened is that I realized really quickly, line I'm feeling numb and pass this line.

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I'm not feeling numb and I could. I could pinpoint it with my hand and then I started realizing not only what I feel, what they're feeling in their body, but I could feel their emotions and I could see their spirit guides.

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I could see their past lives. I could see those layers of time and their being.

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I could see the experience lots of you know, various experiences they had had in their own life.

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So this whole world just went.

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It opened up.

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But in the meantime I was in college and then I graduated and I went straight into social work school.

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So I got my master's degree straight out of undergrad, went into my master's degree and learned how to be a psychotherapist similar ish to you.

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But in the meantime I was compelled by this hands on healing journey that I was also on, but it became, I wouldn't say fractured, but, like I was, a one that I had my social work side and then I had my spiritual side and I didn't share my spiritual side with almost anybody.

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And I graduated from social work school.

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Various other things you know occurred. Yeah, I worked for a year in social work and then, for various reasons, I took a break from social work and I went to massage school and then I spent five years being a massage therapist where again, even more and more and more and more of all of that started waking up in me and all these other bizarre hands on healing abilities that I couldn't explain started waking up in me.

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So I focused on that for five years and then I got married, had my first baby and then I decided to go back into social work and then I be, and then I was a psychotherapist and a social worker for the next, however many, you know, many, many years, and during that time again I shut off.

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I didn't shut off, I segmented this Piscian part of me over to one side and I would have experiences as a social worker and as a therapist where I would allow that part of me to open up In my own awareness for a moment, and there would be so much there in the field, like with me and the client, but I couldn't talk about any of it I couldn't be honest about.

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So it was, yeah, that was a whole journey and eventually, as you know, I left social work and then now I'm actually living both as one right.

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So I just fast forwarded through a bunch of stuff.

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But I don't want to fast forward past that though, because I find that really fascinating.

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you know, in the background, you know, ever since I read the letters that were exchanged between Freud and young Around the time of their split, and if you know, this but basically there's an idea that young was like a student of Freud's because he was About 20 years younger than him, but it was more like they were colleagues, really at the dawn of psychology.

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It was very young at the time. First time they met they had like a 13 hour conversation, so there was obviously very deep connections between the two.

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I think they share this point in the zodiac together, where I think it's some Freud son and young moon are both in tourists at the same degree and there's something about that kind of connection, some kind of like deep respect and love that occurred between them.

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The fact that you could speak with someone you've just met for 13 hours really speaks to something.

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But then eventually what happened was that there was a split started to arise when, blessed that, there was a time in history where it was common to write letters and send letters, because that was sort of like the technology that you had, you know the postal service, and so these letters will go back and forth and it's all public.

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There's actually a book that collects the most big book of the letters between the two of them, so that's how much they were writing to each other and right near the end, young was speaking to the need to include within psychology, parapsychology, the phenomenon of synchronicity, mediumship, all these strange occurrences include that within the psychology that was being formed.

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And Freud quite famously said we need to form a bull walk which is like a boundary against the black mud tide of occultism, very clear of what he thinks about that whole world of young.

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And then young was like I cannot go any further than this if that's your attitude towards this world.

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And so the split that forms between the two of them.

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You know, and that's why I think we're sort of the children of the divorce of Freud and young, so that when this more hidden by seeing world opens up, it's not like it's a personal shame.

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I don't think it's a personal shame. It's something that happened with our forefathers, where there was a split that happened in their own philosophy.

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Now you can understand like Freud saw the whole thing as very dangerous and scary.

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Because it is dangerous and scary, you know, it can open up into all these other worlds, but that doesn't discount those other worlds that actually, by that very statement, it brings a reality to those other worlds, a reality he would prefer not to embrace, and maybe that's the materialist side of the tourist, the part right, like let's just make the material world real and the non material world not real and that might will make things a lot more simple.

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But in that simplicity it has a violence to it because it is a splitting off or a cutting.

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I'm really fascinated because I can feel you exploring the split, I can feel me exploring the split.

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I think there's many out there probably listening that can, that can also attest to exploring the split, the split being the material world and the immaterial world, or the subtle realm and the manifest realm.

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We could say better words than real and not real which is what we tend to think of it as, which came up in the last time.

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Rather than think of that reality versus non reality, which is how we tend to couch our language around it, it's more like the material and the immaterial, or the manifest in the and the subtle, something like that.

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So, as you're entering your in social work, you've you've kind of gone in the direction of psychotherapy.

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You're in these sessions where there's a way to be and there's a formula to follow and there's diagnoses, I suppose, and all these other things.

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While you're in that field, your Pisces and soul or spirit is like entering the room and you're having these experiences and then you have to not speak to them.

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I mean, what is that? Like you know, can you cast your mind back there and tell?

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Tell me what that's like, because I feel like that's the that's your full moon.

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You're born under no mmm yeah, well, a couple things I mean in this moment.

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As we're talking, I'm about to turn 47.

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Right, you're in the day I'm 47 and I'm in the day I'm 46 like cussing yeah, I'm turning 47.

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So at that time in my mid 30s I guess it's probably be I had a knowing that someday I would live in a way where I was.

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I knew I was meant to live all of who I am right, but I couldn't possibly live my whole life like I knew that I didn't come to the planet to live split like that and hiding half of me myself.

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When I would pray on it, I would get shown. My mid 40s would be the time when it would manifest.

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Here we are, wow.

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So that's number one, which I find really interesting.

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And then number two yeah, how was it for me?

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It it was sad. I felt sad.

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I felt like alone.

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In a certain sense, I felt frustrated.

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I felt and actually in a certain way, I still feel a little bit, if I'm really honest, like how honest do I want to be here?

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But if I'm really honest, I actually even still feel a little bit sad and a little bit alone, just in the sense that at this point in my life now, I do have quite a huge number of people who I can share these things with.

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Obviously, I have a YouTube channel. Yeah, I've been on videos with thousands and thousands of views.

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It's not like yeah, I'm not sharing it right but even at this point in my life, I'm truly, truly being honest.

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There are very few relationships in my life that are not professional, where I can really be all of me actually.

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So there's still a little bit of not a little bit.

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There's still a pretty significant amount of me wanting equal relationship, personal relationship where I can truly be, the Pisces being that I am in a vulnerable way, and not not only the Pisces.

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Son seventh house, I don't know more of the on display version right there's.

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That's still actually a desire, a need in me, but back then it was very definitely strong because I just didn't.

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I had maybe three people in my life I talked to about my quote unquote spiritual side at all period.

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At the same time, though, I also knew that I was meant to, or I felt like I was meant to be there and I was meant to be present with those gifts, even though I couldn't talk about them.

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So certain things would happen, like the in the last interview you and I did with Melanie.

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Actually, we talked about chair clothe, energy, a lot amazing conversation, and, and one of the things I described in that conversation we had was how one of the roles I played in social work was that I I would interview children who were abused and I had to write reports for the court.

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You know what these children had gone through and what they needed and I had to assess.

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I was assessing the parents and the children and great, basically give the court a prognosis for what did the child need?

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What did the parent need? What would often happen is that.

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What I realized is that when I would sit with these children, there were all these protocols.

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You know how do you interview a child about abuse, blah, blah, blah.

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What I finally came to was that for me, what worked the best was to say nothing, not all the time, but with little little kids, especially preschool aged kids, we've gone to the room.

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I would bring out certain kinds of toys, like sand tray toys, and I would just sit down and I would, in a sense, become, I would turn on my Pisces self or my chair, clothes self or whatever it is right, and I would just, I would just sit down and what I would be feel, what I would be focusing on, was pure love.

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That I was. I just really cared about this child and I would sit down and it was like I described this in the interview we did with Melanie.

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But like it would be like this golden light would just come into the room and then click, children typically would feel really, really safe with me.

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So they would just start doing their thing and playing and, you know, doing the sand tray thing, and I would just observe.

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And I wasn't turning on my quote, unquote psychic ability, that would nothing like that, it was just I was just really, really present with them and within 30 minutes 45 maybe I knew everything about them, everything they're feeling, all what's gone on in their life, their relationships with everybody in their life and the quality of it, and who were they scared of, who were they not scared of?

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Because they would show it. They would show it in their play.

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Just, it was lately obvious and I would write my court reports based on having said nothing you know.

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So so I mean, was that, was that my Pisces inside?

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Was that just being skillful as a social worker?

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I don't know. It's probably a combination of all of the above.

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But then, like a year would go by and the therapist of that child would come to me having read you know, they would read the court report I had written and then they would work with the kid for a year and then come back to me a year later and go how the heck did?

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You know that? You know one interview with this kid and it took me a year to realize you were right.

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Like I thought there was no possible way you were right.

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On the one hand it was frustrating.

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On the other hand, there was. It felt like there was some purpose to me being there, even if I had to hide that part of myself.

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It got used, you know, in certain ways, I think in a good sense.

28:16

Are you saying that they would open up and share this information, or you would just see this information?

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No, they would show it in their play they would show it in their play.

28:23

Yeah, so that means.

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Pisces to be able to detect within that play.

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You know like that is. That's reading tea leaves.

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Me, and as much as we'd like to put that in the frame where you're gathering particularly information from the play and all this kind of stuff, put it in a frame that makes sense.

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You're reading the tea leaves, you're reading the constellations.

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You know this is the. You're constellating their experience off of the sense, impressions that you're picking up from there You're attuning actually right, that's what you're doing.

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It's an invisible process, and then what you're getting is the information just all as a one thing, and then it's complete, that information in a way, because you don't have to fragment it in order to get it, you don't have to split it apart and everything.

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If I had inserted questions, often what would happen is that it would fragment the whole right and then suddenly it would like dissipate and they would shut off.

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But you know, not always, but that's often. What I noticed is that if I just stayed back, the whole, the whole being of them would would come forward.

29:34

It's so interesting because it really reminds me, and when you shared it in our other video it reminded me of this too.

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Yeah, I didn't share it then, but I'll share it now.

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There was a when I was in Perth around 2016,.

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I was kind of like a little bit in between stories and not quite sure whether I got a barley and do what I'm doing now or stay in Perth where I was, and I was doing like a business course there to figure out how I might run my craniocerebral therapy practice successfully in Perth.

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So I'm like doing a business course around, you know, trying to use craniocerebral therapy, kind of like a good way to describe how that split in my own life of like, how do you, how do you survive in this world and do what you love, when what you love is, like very odd and people don't really understand it?

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So on this course was a Sri Lankan woman.

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I won't mention her name because I don't have the permission to, but she was a brilliant Sri Lankan woman and one day she had a stroke, so she would spoke seven languages.

30:31

Right At the time she had a stroke where her left brain was taken out and they were like, yeah, she'll never be able to speak.

30:40

She'll never. You know, she'll never be able to do all these things, that the left brain should never be able to make sense of things.

30:45

And she remembers hearing this information from the doctors and disagreeing in her because then she's solely right brain, right Basically, she's solely in the imaginal at that point and she kind of refused the information and so instead she was able to heal and she was able to use her right brain to do all of these different functions again, but she lost all of those languages.

31:08

So she had to relearn the language that was sort of there, which was English.

31:13

But she's even lost those Sri Lankan languages and she's lost all those other languages.

31:18

Right, and before this she was the pilot, very, very left brain oriented.

31:23

She was a chess master and a pilot, and after this she can't be a pilot.

31:28

She's lost all those languages and she's relearned English but lost all those other languages, including her native tongue.

31:34

How amazing is that? So she goes into because she is pulled towards it, working with kids with autism, and one of the things she tells me about this and it really stands out like she go into the room, sit with this kid kid completely ignores her and goes about, he's all her own thing, and she just sits with him.

31:52

And then an hour passes and she just leaves and this is the session, right.

31:56

And then she goes back and sits with him, and then she just leaves and sits with him, and then she, and then eventually in one of these sessions the kid turns to her and goes who are you?

32:08

And now they have an in. She proclaims to heal people with autism and her method that she'd be doing for past meditation.

32:17

So she's sitting meditating, the kid's doing that thing, her thing, his thing, not interacting until eventually there's an interest and then in that interest there's a bridge formed, they begin to exchange and then the healing begins to happen around the autistic process, which I think about autism as being locked in the left brain, right, so the interaction with someone locked in the right brain.

32:38

So the logical and the imaginal, or the Virgo and the Pisces, are bridging each other in this process.

32:45

I don't wonder if that's also occurring in that room in ways that are largely imperceptible, because I think of that story as like well, whoever the whoever's funding that process is probably looking at it.

32:56

Going like this is going nowhere. You know, nothing is happening, the kid's not showing any signs of any change until suddenly miraculously comes out of.

33:06

You know, I think in that story this kid had not spoken for a really long time and then just starts to speak and then they just start to exchange and the healing kind of occurs the bridging of the left and the right brains right, the bridging of the Virgo and the Pisces, as we'd say it within the astrological language.

33:23

And I really appreciate that. What you're saying here today is that it's not we're not in kind of an interview here where the storyline goes like had this early in your life, felt split off from it and went in different directions, now healed and telling us about it.

33:39

Obviously the split still exists for you and you still experience it where you've got, where you can walk the bridge in your professional life, but in your personal life there's less opportunities to walk the bridge.

33:53

My life right now is pretty unbalanced.

33:55

In the professional area we put it like that Most of my interacting with humans tends to be me as a leader, me as holding space for 20 people or 100 people or 1000 people.

34:08

And then, when I have time to myself, my Virgo moon wants to run away and I go and go for walks by the ocean by myself.

34:18

I need that to balance.

34:23

But then at the same time, I'm sitting there over in my Virgo moon temple by the ocean thinking, well, this is good, I need this space to myself and it would be great to be able to open myself in that way that I do publicly, but have it not be public all the time.

34:39

That's my truly honest personal prayer that I barely have even named out loud.

34:45

Now I'm naming it out loud.

34:49

What prevents you? What is it about the professional sphere versus the personal sphere that prevents you from doing that with other humans in the everyday, regular worlds?

34:59

Well, again, I'm reflecting in a way I just I haven't actually.

35:03

I think part of what my journey where I am in my journey in this moment is that I've only really gone fully into this way of being in my professional life in the last two years and what has occurred is that when people so suddenly there's lots and lots and lots of people coming into my world who I can relate to in this way I mean lots and lots of them, right but what's happened is that when they come into my world and they suddenly see that there's this opportunity to relate to me, they become a client.

35:38

It is great, which is wonderful.

35:41

I absolutely love my clients.

35:43

I mean it's like amazing, I'm so fulfilling.

35:46

It makes me cry all the time how amazing these beings are.

35:49

And then it's just hard to then end up with almost anybody who can relate to me in that way and doesn't want to be my clients, right, and who I feel drawn to relate to on just a human level and where they're not going to turn around and say, oh, could you read my chart for me?

36:06

for free.

36:08

Because I've been so focused in the last two years of just opening up the space to get to the point now where I'm able to support my children and I'm able to support myself through what I'm doing.

36:19

I'm just barely at the point where it is now.

36:23

I mean going really, really well and I think I'm at a turning point where I could now make space for the personal to come in also right.

36:33

So I could be met in that way in a personal sense.

36:39

It makes me think of those houses of astrology and which house people kind of slot into and how we interact and where we interact, and I suppose, listening to you and feeling that Virgo moon and how that must equate that safety with a certain structure of relating perhaps I mean this is just what's popping up for me Like there's a, there's a structure in which then the Pisces side is allowed within that with that because that's also seventh house, right, it's it.

37:08

I think of it as a one to one contractual relationship which could be therapeutic or it could be business or it could be colleagues or whatever it might be in that structured seventh way, and that Virgo moon finds safety in putting those temples there and interacting within those temples and I suppose a friendship which is not seventh house, it's more 11th house would be, to be able to free flow in and out of conversations, that that it is closer to an equal, even though the seventh house, being a Libran house, wants to be equal.

37:42

That's an interesting thing, isn't it? It actually sets up non equal things, whereas the 11th house, which is friendship and Aquarian, is closer to equal and equality, isn't it?

37:53

Because surely, within friendships, we get the closest that we can get to that layer of equality.

37:58

So there's a resistance for some reason to being in that field.

38:03

Maybe this is just the fate of it, or maybe it's evolving, I don't know.

38:07

What do you think?

38:08

My hope is that I'm just in a phase, because it's not on a.

38:14

Again I'm being really honest and reflecting in a way I haven't maybe yet until this moment.

38:20

It's beautiful and it's wonderful and, again, I love my work and I love my clients and I am so excited about what's opening up the astrology course I'm teaching that you're part of, and it's like I feel like the world literally could change through the way people are showing up in my community For real.

38:40

I love it, I absolutely love it, and I do notice that this other side of me is neglected a little bit.

38:49

Right now I'm at a choice moment where I can choose to then give attention, give energy in another way.

38:55

Takes me making that choice, which I have been just in the last week or two actually, which is really interesting.

39:04

Getting back to your story, I feel like there's two parts to the story, one that we're at right now.

39:11

We're sort of sitting in your story. There's the part where you become a social worker, psychotherapist, and in these sessions, and especially with the children of probably horrible situations, you're able to attune and discover a year's worth of therapy in a session.

39:28

This kind of thing Discover through the unconscious or the information that takes a long time to get to through the conscious.

39:37

You feel you're there, kind of like in the split of things, but doing your work and there's some way that it's arising anyway in that field.

39:46

And then we have the sense of you, where you are now, which I think, like when I describe you to people I say the first word I use is channel that you really are a mystic in that sense that you attune to information that is not evident and not obvious and not materialized and you bring it forward.

40:08

And so, like when we've done some of the things we've done together, like a few of our workshops, and what I really appreciate is that you just attune to something and you spend a little time there and then just let it come through.

40:20

In that way You're an astrologer with a real emphasis on all those other ones but I'm not so familiar with like all the asteroids and all of the others, basically Because I kind of stick mostly with the planets and the luminaries and plus Chiron and usually Lilith.

40:41

You've got like all these other characters, which to me is fascinating because I love the myths, and all those mythical characters show up in your astrology and I'm like how do you get as glibious in there and Eros and Psyche and amazing you know?

40:53

But for me I'm kind of like I find those in the myths but I don't find those in the sky.

40:59

So you've got this, this very vast knowledge of astrology which has somehow come in through your, through your life.

41:07

You operate really more as a channel. You bring a lot of amazing people into your world, like these 80 people that you've interviewed.

41:15

You create symposiums, you gather, you gather information and knowledge and sharing, and a lot of that sharing is coming from this kind of otherworldly.

41:23

So you're in a place now that is very different than being a social worker and a psychotherapist and in the system trying to assist from within the system, and now you kind of like maybe you have the fringe of the system still trying to impact, obviously the world and you feel the sense of like getting closer to what could change the world, but you're operating now from the fringe, so how do you get from there to there?

41:48

What's this? We've got a, we've got a gap in the story.

41:51

How does it happen?

41:53

Yeah, okay, so I think there's two threads there's a 2018 thread and then there's a 2024 thread.

42:00

And if I start with, the 2018, can you bring me back to the 2024?

42:05

I will keep the 2024 thread, which is very recent thread, in the picture.

42:11

This moment, yeah, so I'll just so to be able to kind of fill in the gaps.

42:15

For you, the 2018 moment is pretty key.

42:19

So what ended up happening very long story very short is in 2018.

42:26

Yeah, I was a supervisor for our child protective services agency.

42:31

I was working for the county government and I was I was overseeing this really, really intense, like the unit within Child Protective Services that was working with the most intense families, the highest risk families, and so I was overseeing this program.

42:49

That was kind of experimental and it was bottom line.

42:52

We were trying as hard as we possibly could not to take children from their families, and it was a little bit controversial because it was so cutting edge and very progressive.

43:00

We ended up getting a new director and that director was much more conservative and I'm way on the liberal, progressive end, and so there's an end of social work, that's that's more like police-ish oriented, and then, on the other end, is more social work oriented and I'm definitely way on the social work end.

43:18

So this new director came in who was more on the police end, and and she looked at my program and went oh, no, no, no, no, no, this is way too touchy, feely, way too counseling you know you're being way too nice here and she basically got rid of the program.

43:38

So she wanted me to go back to the other position I had been in before.

43:41

I was overseeing that program and I so clearly I was really upset and I came home and I prayed.

43:48

I closed my eyes to begin to pray, like what the heck?

43:51

The is terrible, right? So, anyway, I closed my began to close my eyes to pray on what to do, and immediately.

43:58

So here's the bridge between the two worlds.

44:02

Immediately, what happened is I had a circle of eight spirits come to me.

44:09

I said never happened before.

44:11

I'd never seen these spirits before. And they were smiling and they were so happy and they said yes, this is exactly what needs to happen.

44:21

This is so good. Yes, take that, you know, go back to your old role.

44:27

Basically, that was so. Before I've been overseeing this program, I was an adoption social worker.

44:33

And they said, yeah, great, go back to being an adoption social worker and what that's going to do.

44:39

It's going to mean that you're going to need to go one hour north of San Francisco once a month.

44:46

And I was like what are you? What the heck? Are you like?

44:49

Really? What the heck? Because I live five hours south of San Francisco, right?

44:53

So this idea that I would go an hour north of San, it's very precise.

44:57

And our north of San Francisco once a month did not know what they were talking about.

45:02

And they showed me this vision, this image of me sitting outside of a like a natural food cafe or restaurant or something.

45:11

I was sitting at a table and I was typing and they said so when you go an hour north of San Francisco once a month, you're we need you to begin channeling.

45:19

And I'd never channeled before. I didn't know what the heck they're talking about and I knew what channeling was, but I anyway.

45:26

And they said and what in this word these were their exact words what you channel will become the platform for what we need you to do next.

45:35

I called up my boss and I said All right, I'll voluntarily move over to this other position.

45:41

And she said Great, you start on Monday.

45:44

So I started on Monday and I'm not kidding On Tuesday, my second day in the job, I got assigned a case of a kid who I would need to go visit once a month, who lived an hour north of San Francisco.

45:57

Wow, Wow crazy.

46:01

Really crazy.

46:02

Yeah.

46:03

Okay, Like like a brand new client.

46:06

Uh huh.

46:07

Just happened to be exactly there.

46:09

So for the next what like year and a half or whatever, I went every month an hour north of San Francisco to see this kid.

46:19

And so what ended up happening?

46:21

The first month I went, I had this really long story, long, horrible story, which will not recount.

46:27

But there was this really, really traumatic situation happening with this kid and I was, so I, you know, I had to go visit him and I came out of the home and I was really traumatized, so upset, and so my guides said to me All right, look on your phone for a health food store.

46:46

So I did, and and I just like, just put in my phone and I just, you know, started driving.

46:53

There was 45 minutes away. I got to this store and I was approaching the store and as I was approaching it, I started to feel these like tentacles coming into my back, energetically, right, and I and I could feel them like trying to hook into me and I could feel that what was going to happen was I was going to start channeling for the first time, but I was still driving and I was like I'm still driving, like I need five more minutes, like hang on a second.

47:23

So I started. I got closer and closer and as I arrived I need to use the bathroom, right.

47:28

So then there started like I could feel this channeling and I again I'd never channel before all this stuff started wanting to flow through me.

47:35

I needed to use the bathroom. So I went to the bathroom really fast.

47:39

I was like, let me wash my hands, oh, my goodness.

47:41

So I ran to my car, I got my iPad, which had a keyboard, and this place I had never been to this health food store it had tables outside.

47:49

So I ended up sitting outside this natural food store typing on my iPad, ipad keyboard channeling for the first time ever, wow.

48:02

Precisely the vision they had, showing me what in the world is going on.

48:07

So, anyway, that's where the channeling started, and what they started to channel it's the messages that come through me now, which are, basically, you know, they ended up this was in the summer of 2018.

48:20

And by September of 2018, they said okay, we need you to channel a book, and it's actually gonna be the first book in the sear in a series of eight books, and this, the first book, is called living the one light, and the, the whole series, is called the living the one light series.

48:37

Anyway, and that's where it all like what I do now.

48:40

That's where it began, but you know, it was a year later that I actually left social work and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

48:48

Yeah, wow, I mean. So the opening of the channel and the guides and and all of that, and then the precision of that story is really fascinating, how how everything aligns and beautiful, amazing stuff.

49:03

And I love the celebration of these, these eight deities, or whoever it is that's around you, and the, and they really leave the experience of the other world coming to life.

49:15

Ultimately, you know to to be foregrounded rather than backgrounded, and so I imagine then there's a, there's a transitional few years, so then that's 2018, 2024, give me that straight.

49:30

Yeah, so, yeah. So, basically that in that six year period yeah, 2019, I left social work Officially.

49:37

I was gonna, you know, then you know, launch what I'm doing now.

49:41

But then, covid, my two kids were home from school Of course.

49:46

My younger one was barely eight years old at that point, anyway.

49:50

So I basically took a break for whatever amount of time.

49:54

That was a couple of years to be really focused on my kids.

49:57

And then, in 2022, two years ago exactly two years ago, on my birthday actually on my birthday, exactly two years on my birthday I felt this lightning bolt come through my body and I was shown the vision, like the literal outline, of the first symposium that I held, which was the rebecoming the one symposium, which I then held in June of 2022.

50:22

And then I held the second version of it in June of 2023, which is where you and I then met.

50:28

So it's in the last two years since then when the when I really really this, all of what I do has really taken off.

50:35

But the 2024 part this is where I'm noticing the social work component fitting back into what I'm doing now.

50:46

I can just sum it up by saying what I'm noticing is coming alive the most in the work I'm doing now is that I think what I'm really being asked to do is to hold space.

50:57

I am not meant to be a guru on a mountaintop telling people what to do or what the truth is, or whatever that you know.

51:06

That version. That's not, not who I'm here to be.

51:08

What I'm being called to do really is.

51:11

It's like being a midwife. It's holding space for that, that same remembering that you're talking.

51:17

You're talking about Pisces being the forgetting and the remembering.

51:20

What the spirit world says is that we are midwifing ourselves back into a remembering of who we really are Right.

51:27

So, in all of the spaces that I hold, what is happening now is so powerful because, for example, I'm holding the systology course and I'm doing it in a way that is not so much teaching people that Pisces equals this and Virgo equals this, etc.

51:45

It's more a feeling of okay, here is what Pisces is typically talked about, here is what Jupiter is typically talked about, but let's actually honor and be with these cosmic beings themselves, and let's honor and be with your being and your soul and what is truly present.

52:05

So, again, it's like me being in that room with that three year old who's going to do the Sanctuary.

52:11

I'm being asked to really just sit and be, allow, in an honoring way, the actual being of each of our souls and the being of our cosmic family, if you want to I don't know what word to use to be able to show itself right In that whole way, like those three year olds what with the Sanctuary play or whatever it is.

52:31

To sum it up, what I'm also noticing in the people who tend to gravitate toward me is that when they see an example now and this is very recent when they see an example of an astrologer who doesn't offer space in that way, who wants to do the more top down, telling the truth, quote unquote they are getting very upset and it feels like this, almost like a revolution coming from the inside out, that I'm not standing here telling people to revolt at all.

53:05

That never even occurred to me that this kind of anger and this like insistence on being honored would start to emerge from people, but just recently, starting to be what's happening in my community, and so that's the 2024 moment and I we will see where it goes from there.

53:21

But we will feel it like the social work and the Piscian joining in new ways to be revealed.

53:30

Yeah, and I can't help but feel the tension point.

53:33

Well, I have this tension point in my own chart, but I can speak to the tension point between these two archetypes of Jupiter on the one hand and Chiron on the other, because Jupiter does live on the top of Mount Olympus and is the king of the gods and is the one who holds that wisdom, the top down wisdom, and Chiron lives on the opposite side of Mount Olympus, on Mount Pilion, down in a cave, somewhere that is really hard to find, but people do find it miraculously, and then they come to him for healing and obviously Chiriclo is there as well, and his wife and he has a daughter.

54:16

His name means flowing river.

54:18

So you get this sense of the cave wisdom that will never be pronounced from the mountaintop, wisdom that will never find its way into the cave and the tension point that exists between the two.

54:34

So you know, for me, as we talked about during the week in preparation for the course, it's like how do we get the best of both, of those where we don't have to castrate the Skyfather, as Gaia did in order to protect the earth wisdom, or we don't have to shove these things that don't fit into our Skyfather vision back into the earth, because we don't like to look at those as Uranus did right at the beginning of creation in the Greek myths.

55:03

Right, he just didn't like the look of those things. They were ugly to him, so he shoved them back into the womb.

55:08

So there's abuse on both sides. There's castration on the one side and there's basically rape on the other, and both of them horrible situations.

55:18

But we can also see the birth of Venus coming out of that Aphrodite energy.

55:24

We can see that there's a way.

55:27

I certainly feel this, that there's a way to have both, because I like sitting back and hearing the Skyfather speak.

55:32

Actually, you know, when it comes down to what I like, I like somebody that's just got the information.

55:38

I don't feel like castrating them.

55:41

And, yeah, sometimes I agree, because I've been really pulled much more into Kyron's cave, especially in the last few years.

55:48

But I'm just kind of more. I just feel more maybe, a resonance field with the Kyronic cave, like wisdom.

55:54

I get the sense of being put off by top down information because maybe, you know, we've gone too far in that direction.

56:03

But yeah, I feel like a real urge to speak to, even though that's not my particular style.

56:09

I appreciate those who do have that style.

56:13

It's just if it becomes dominance, if it becomes like the Skyfather Uranus in the beginning of creation, abusing the Earth in order to bring out this particular knowledge, then that's obviously a negative that needs to be corrected for.

56:30

But we have to remember that in the Greek myth that correction was a castration.

56:34

That one conflict between the Skyfather and the Earth Mother Uranus and Gaia plays through the whole of the cosmology again and again and it perpetuates itself because we get lopsided one way or the other.

56:48

And I wonder if there's a way to restore the marriage of Skyfather Earth Mother.

56:52

Well, and guess where my Jupiter is? Where my Jupiter is in Taurus, in my ninth house, in.

57:01

Taurus in the ninth. There we go. So earthy wisdom and Jupiterian and.

57:08

Nytasi.

57:09

Prominent, Very prominent.

57:10

Jupiter Very prominent yeah there we go, and guess where my Chiron is then on my south nodes.

57:18

In. Aries In Aries, yeah, yeah so you have an earthy Jupiter and a fiery Chiron, so we have this kind of like strange connections between those energies.

57:31

But yeah, I mean, and they're both very, very strong, very strong in me, both of them, right yeah.

57:37

As they are in me, one of the many ways our charts connect and we connect to each other.

57:44

So that's really fascinating and I can feel that you know.

57:47

One of the things from a Jungian depth psychology perspective is looking at the way that your individual story interacts with the world story, and I can feel the way that your individual story is interacting there in so many different, complex ways that we'll never fully understand and we don't need to fully understand.

58:04

But that's why understanding the life myth is to understand just the threads and the storylines of your life, without necessarily having to sort of break it all down into its facts and figures, and to understand that you're being carried by something, that your journey is being carried by something, and that to me is medicine.

58:22

I like that, your, that what's coming now is like almost like a reentry into the social world, the social work world, because one of the things that comes up for me is like how do we bring the medicine to the people that need the medicine?

58:37

And it feels like that's, that's something that's maybe opening up as you move forward.

58:43

Also just reflecting how another component that is really important to me of my work and also my personal life that I've really appreciated about your presence in what I've been doing and also just your presence in my world, for example, in the course that I'm holding the spirit world showed me how to structure it and it showed me very specifically five guest speakers right who should be part of it, and you're one of them, and the other four are all women.

59:14

In my work in general, there is now a pretty strong emphasis on, I would say, the honoring of and this is not not on purpose, this is not something I've consciously chosen to do, it's just what's showing up is this honoring of the wisdom of the elder feminine is really really a prominent theme.

59:34

So the other four people are representatives of beautiful elder feminine energy, like Melanie Reinhart right, it definitely fits that category and my clients almost entirely are women, probably 55 and older, most of them, I would say, actually in their 60s and 70s, interestingly, and I'm turning 47.

59:56

So I have almost no clients who are my age or younger.

59:59

Really, really interesting.

1:00:02

I love that, I love all of that. Again, I haven't done that on purpose, but it's beautiful, I love it and what could happen in that is that I could.

1:00:10

I could choose to really just go into that re embracing of the feminine and all of that and a lot of the work that I've done.

1:00:18

Those symposiums, the the re becoming one symposiums, have been all about holding space for a healing of our relationship to gender and sexuality.

1:00:27

So I could have taken a path that goes down the road of reclaiming the divine feminine and being very angry about the results of the negative set of patriarchy, et cetera, et cetera.

1:00:37

But that's not where my soul is calling me right.

1:00:40

What I'm really being called to do is re becoming the one and living the one light.

1:00:49

Right, that those are the like. Well, living the one light is the overarching directive for all of my work and what I'm supposed to be holding space for.

1:00:59

So that doesn't mean castrating anybody.

1:01:02

That doesn't mean throwing the guy off the mountaintop.

1:01:06

You know that doesn't feel good.

1:01:08

Ultimately, even if a certain part of the feminist 21 year old in me would maybe have a tendency to do something like that, my soul brings me back straight back to the beauty and the love and the, the wholeness inside myself of my own inner feminine, my own inner masculine, et cetera.

1:01:29

And something I've said to you is that I feel like in your work and who you are, in the way you hold space and the fact that you name these things like hang on a second, you could be without maybe an intending to you could be castrating somebody.

1:01:44

Right now, you know, like when you say that I go, my hope, my soul goes, oh, yes, right, and my own inner masculine, who at this point I have a really, really beautiful relationship, I love him, I don't want to be castrating anybody, you know.

1:02:04

And then he goes yeah, that's right, cause that's a dangerous dangerous path.

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Right, and yeah, because if we are, and it's just as you were describing that I was thinking about how your chart the moon is rising and the sun is setting in your chart, and so of course, you're going to be more in the lunar and then allowing the sun to set, right In that sense.

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And those are the two lights in our sky, those are luminaries, as we call them, right, the big circle of lights.

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You know that are the fascinating thing about our solar system.

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I know you've been getting more into the astronomy lately, right?

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Is that the sun is 400 times larger than the moon and 400 times further away, and that's why they're the same size which there's no reason they should be the same size.

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actually One could be much bigger than the other one and that would also make total logical sense, but they just have to be happen to be so similar in size that eclipses can happen.

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And this whole kind of dance that goes on between them is so poetically orchestrated.

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We can look out into the world and say there's obviously too much solar light, too much heroicism, too much patriarchy, too much father, too much masculine.

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And the way to deal with that is, you know, very simple-minded castration.

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You know, dispel all of the things of masculinity or men and then throw that all away and then we'll be in paradise of the feminine clearly an incorrect path.

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And so then I try to speak to that on this channel.

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I try to speak to the complexity within that because of course there's so much to recover from in what's happened and the injustice in the world, and you know what's happened to women over the ages and not being able to vote and not being able to have a place in society and just being kind of locked and changed into the kitchen, and there's deep healing to be had there.

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But the way to healing is not to destroy the other side of the equation, because then we get really bad results the other way.

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You know, and I can feel that in that full moon chart of yours just right now, speaking of how to find the balancing out between the setting sun and the rising moon, and you know, gemini up the top holding the tension of opposites of those two, and yeah, just as you were speaking, then I could really sense the chart really coming to life.

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And that's what I always get most excited by with this work.

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And your Mars. Your Mars is sitting right on my mid-heaven.

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It sits right up there looking at that it's like hang on a second Amazing.

1:04:58

Well, martha, thank you so much. I just love to you know.

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I feel like we've come a long way in this conversation and I just want to thank you for opening up your sun, which is the capital S self, and opening to my audience and to me, and I've just really enjoyed wandering along with you.

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I could, I could, just feel so many times the story of the world interacting with the story of the self.

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It's been fascinating. I feel like I know you much better after these 90 minutes and you've referenced a couple of times the course that you're doing, and I know that's just kicking off now and and I'm also kicking off my fireside chats this weekend, which is going to be really enjoyable.

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I'm Martha's course. I'm doing basically what I've just done over the last year.

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I'm doing it in a different format over the next year, but in this privately held fireside chat group that we have within your course.

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Is there anything you would like to say about your course and how people could find that and get involved?

1:06:00

Sure, yeah, I mean, yeah, I would say this course, you know, is that we've already started, we're in the second month, but people are welcome to still join, and especially great for people who do want to be held in a way, for the cosmos and your own soul knowing to come back alive, and and it's what the spirit world calls as a portal of remembering.

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So that's that's really, really what it's about is having that more traditional structure of learning you know what is Pisces, what is Jupiter, what is Neptune, all that but taking that data and then, more most importantly, letting it come alive as you and remembering it through our, each of our own beings as a collective.

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And then you are going to bring in, chris, are you going to bring in the mythology aspect of it and the beauty and the sacredness, I would say, of the Greek and Roman stories which, again, I feel like, in a certain version of where my astrology could go, is a version that gets pretty upset, you know, by these more patriarchal ish you could label them patriarchal stories and then I feel like you're, like I'm, I've been asked to invite you in to remind us of the sacredness of them, and I'm really looking forward to that.

1:07:22

All of it, all of it, all of the above Me too.

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Well, I recommend I'll leave some links down there in the show notes for people who are listening and you can click on those and go to Martha's website and get involved.

1:07:39

Highly, highly recommended. As she said, although it's in the second month, it's a long journey, long voyage that you guys are taking and people can still get on the boat as it pulls out from the port.

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And just to note you, you're welcome to join Chris's part just by itself, there are some people who are joining not my whole astrology course, just joining the fireside chat with Chris part.

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Indeed. So I'll leave a link to that too. If you'd just like to, if you've just, if you've enjoyed this year that we've had and you'd love to go a little deeper into these myths and be in a, in a room where we can do that, that'd be a actually a fantastic way to go on the journey again and now that you know what the journey is, gathering yourself into the big round and and going again.

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So I'll leave a link to that. It'll be on Sunday's Pacific time and and we'll be going one side at a time, starting with Pisces this weekend.

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So this podcast well, hang on, it's already started, because you're hearing this a week after it started, but you can still join in from the Aries round and you would only miss the Pisces one, which happened last week, because now I'm going to the future.

1:08:55

Yes, but it'll be recorded, so it will be there.

1:08:58

It'll be there, so you can get it, it'll be there yeah.

1:09:01

Amazing. Well, thank you so much, Martha, I really appreciate you and for coming on the show and for being my my guest to round out the year of of the stories within, embedded within our sky.

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So thank you so much.

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Thank you. Thank you for holding space for beauty in the way that you do.

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