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1:57

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2:00

plan there's a lot to get into. Was attacked

2:02

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2:04

Draught dug a bath which player in college basketball

2:07

will be the first one off the board was

2:09

talk about testing the waters. Some of the returnees

2:11

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2:13

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2:16

names that are on the move in college basketball.

2:18

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2:31

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as it is Monday May six and it

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3:09

today Man I'm doing well you and I

3:11

we were doing I for one like almost

3:13

like six weeks on through the wringer we

3:15

were doing a Monday shows together we get

3:18

do the pre production schedule. We're having a

3:20

great time. Some schedules had to shift a

3:22

little bit so we are now not doing.

3:24

That on through the wringer. So I miss you

3:26

on these Mondays and is now I am very

3:28

happy to have you on a Monday and it

3:30

a very lose situation right? This is always be.

3:32

This is the off season can see so we

3:34

get the just kind of shoot the shit. No

3:36

one's really paying attention because again it's the off

3:38

season but there is a lot to talk about.

3:40

One of the things we have to talk about

3:42

as the M B A Combine. To let's start

3:44

there is your take on the combine as it

3:46

currently is constructed right now is a good. Is

3:48

it bad? Do we love it? Do we like

3:50

it? Were what's the temperature check on the com

3:52

by right now. While. From our

3:54

media perspective it's kind of a circus. You

3:57

know that's kind that we later to here

3:59

in Colorado. How would you have

4:01

to be the sick and so scary maybe?

4:03

assertions that not a good way to thoroughly

4:05

as of kind of wild with all again

4:08

of ten different players out there and tables

4:10

at one time. and you know, like ten

4:12

times the media circling around yet and questions

4:14

and all that it's wild. It's crazy. It's

4:17

fun, but like getting from an N B

4:19

A perspective this year. Will. Be

4:21

a lot more interesting because all the

4:23

players in the class or now require

4:26

to go through the process of medical

4:28

information will be sent to a certain

4:30

number of teams. the now they're required

4:32

to do interviews at his players. In

4:35

the past, Asians were able to steer

4:37

them away from certain teams more so

4:39

than they'll be able to do now

4:41

and so from an N B A

4:44

perspective, I think the combine all this

4:46

more useful, putting players through physical testing,

4:48

mental testing, and everything else. Besides,

4:51

I think for and be a team's the

4:53

can't know could be the best combine that

4:55

we've had in years. but from a media

4:57

research my look forward to seeing how it

5:00

changes. I think they'll be very interesting as

5:02

well. Yeah. No ducking, know dodging.

5:04

Like you said, if you're there, you have

5:06

to go through all of the testing which

5:08

is a fascinating rico because if you look

5:10

at the seventy eight players that were invited.

5:12

We also have the Ge Li Combine and

5:14

last year with Aig a guys I think

5:16

was from the Deeley com I didn't have

5:18

getting invited to Chicago for the actual combine

5:21

so there's a chance of your in the

5:23

Ge Li group or you can get invited

5:25

of the com by. which brings us to

5:27

the combine list because there are some snobs,

5:29

there was some a notable invitees and that

5:31

the snobs are really the. First talking point:

5:33

Caleb Love from North Carolina in Arizona

5:35

was a snobby. Get invited to the

5:37

Deeley Combine. Our jaden Le D was

5:39

one of the best players in college

5:41

basketball. As your San Diego states, he's

5:43

at the Ge Li Combine as well.

5:46

Water clean. Junior Blake Hints and from

5:48

Pittsburgh who stood up on you know

5:50

in Cameron on on the press table

5:52

saying you know, are you not entertained

5:54

See that going to be invited: Eric

5:56

Dixon for Villanova, Marcus Damascus from Southern

5:58

Illinois an inlet Ill noi this past

6:00

year. So some notable names of notable

6:02

snubs. We get snubbed every single year,

6:04

but I feel like this year's gun

6:06

heightened jail see because of one notable

6:08

name that was invited in. Of course

6:10

we're talking about Ronnie James. So when

6:12

you see Brownie James as one of

6:14

the seventy eight guys, do you say

6:16

of course he is or d Raise

6:18

an eyebrow. Like was the reaction because

6:20

I in the basketball community there has

6:22

been. you know some people say nepotism.

6:24

Some people were saying of course he's

6:26

invited. He was a top one hundred

6:28

kid last year. Mcdonalds, All Americans, What

6:30

say you? Would you see his name on the list? Of.

6:33

Course he was invited. He's the son of

6:35

the brawn James from abroad for upcoming free

6:37

agents and everybody's gonna wanna talk the Brawn

6:40

James. So for having with him it's kind

6:42

of. I would have been shocked if he

6:44

wasn't invited if we saw Brawny like on

6:46

the T leading invite list. As fit as

6:48

I would have been surprising to me. I

6:51

think what brought a. Look A

6:53

he is not ready for the N B

6:55

A is nowhere near close. He sought below

6:57

twenty percent on pull up. Three is he

7:00

saw below thirty percent on catch and shoot.

7:02

Threes fears that of active defender. Been on

7:04

a lockdown guy, he's not a play a

7:06

shot, primary shock Korean, or even though he's

7:09

only six to is nowhere near close. Ready.

7:12

To the and be egg. With. That said,

7:14

he has a son of the brawn. James and

7:16

I think teams are going at least be intrigued

7:18

and getting an opportunity to talk for hims. this

7:20

can be the last chance that he could transfer.

7:23

He. Could go back to school. And.

7:25

The you know it might not be for another

7:27

two three years v and of spam and call

7:29

of for a while that seems. Get an opportunity

7:31

to talk to a freshman player a year ahead

7:33

or two years ahead of money to be in

7:35

the and be A and plus I'm sure. Some.

7:38

Teams might be trying to find on information

7:40

of the plan the summer with Obama Le

7:42

Bron seeding to bring it in Brawny and

7:44

you know he asked to the interviews. Yeah

7:46

through the measure bulls. the what do we

7:48

think about their by the way because we

7:50

know how this gets worked in college like

7:52

Brawny was was that six foot four, two

7:54

hundred and you know, seventy five pounds or

7:57

whatever made of number. They had their ass.

7:59

But but. Would have enjoyed. He goes

8:01

and it's shoes off. We get the measurable. They're

8:03

like what is that reaction look like within the

8:05

media sphere? I. Think the media

8:07

is. I think most little know he's not

8:09

actually six foot four but I look forward

8:11

to seeing what that actual measurement is. Would

8:14

you say like six wanna have sex to

8:16

side like six to would be a good

8:18

number to post. If you're brought it's got

8:20

never would die Tyler Mary was going to

8:22

get measured in everyone's like man if egotistical

8:24

the six v that would be a big

8:26

when I do think that is gonna what

8:28

brought is gone for it's like if he

8:30

can get close to six would speak six

8:32

foot two and a quarter. Were. Okay

8:35

right where it were looking were saluting, were saying

8:37

that's right, put on some shoes, he's around six

8:39

or for that's good enough to be a point

8:41

guard and he be a size wise but a

8:43

workout we did six foot in the node, seven

8:45

Aids inches or whatever number it is an extra

8:47

header and trying to boost the numbers around the

8:50

that are not going to be gave him a

8:52

bit of a did ya to reset rider and

8:54

I mean you say like that tall enough to

8:56

be I'd be a point guard and that would

8:58

be trophies of six two and a quarter but

9:00

then the question will be will have much of

9:03

a ball handler as he ever gonna. Become the

9:05

right now. he's more of that cannot connect

9:07

with peace to that. He the guy who's

9:09

in theory a source to be a good.

9:11

Spot. Up shooter, a cutter, a mover without

9:13

the ball and Nike and run a secondary pick

9:15

and roll by but he came when I do.

9:18

Yeah yeah and I gotta have it is a

9:20

gameplay the zoo and also you can play the

9:22

one right now. We saw that you se when

9:24

I say a color without for a stretch and

9:26

he was given more and responsibility. We saw it

9:29

even when color was playing abroad he was coming

9:31

off the bench. He has not yet anywhere close

9:33

ready to be a guy. Who. the primary

9:35

creator of the call as i will never buy

9:37

the and me a level or his haley's become

9:39

a far far away for that to ever be

9:41

a thing so brownies technically testing the waters right

9:43

him he does that is the the term that

9:45

we like to use oh he's in the a

9:48

be a pool is one of the seventy eight

9:50

players only go through some of the other names

9:52

they're testing the waters of name's that could be

9:54

interesting they could come back some names that i

9:56

know that you have some interest in as well

9:58

one of them is t j how at

10:00

Clemson. We saw him in person. I want to

10:02

talk about him and Keshad Johnson from Arizona. We

10:04

saw them both in person at the West Regional.

10:06

PJ Hall is a guy who technically could go

10:08

back to college. He looked good last year in

10:10

the scrimmages. So good. In fact, I was texting

10:12

you. I said, Ricky counseled the fourth and PJ

10:15

Hall assigned me or sign me up. You said,

10:17

I think PJ Hall is going back to college.

10:19

I was like, okay, so there goes my scout

10:21

for the combine scrimmages. But

10:23

what do we see for him? Like trying to forecast

10:25

what his NBA future looks like? Is he one of

10:27

those guys that could get more going back to college

10:29

or is he an NBA all in type?

10:32

I think he's still one of those guys who

10:34

could potentially get more going back to college. But

10:37

at the same time, all it takes is one

10:39

team to fall in love with you. And, you

10:41

know, in the draft guy to compare him to

10:43

like post prime Blake Griffin, which

10:46

I don't I don't mean that as an

10:48

insult at all. I mean, that is a

10:50

major compliment. You seem to trade piston Blake

10:52

Griffin. I mean, that guy was nasty. Oh,

10:54

maybe a little past that. Okay, a little

10:57

bit past that. And PJ Hall is just

10:59

like a really good connective piece. He's a

11:01

blue guy. I remember a couple

11:03

weeks back from like a reference to

11:05

brawny. Colin Coward did a huge monologue

11:07

on brawny on the herd. He referenced

11:09

my draft guide and he's like, well,

11:11

the 55th pick, the Lakers should take

11:13

brawny. Currently in Kevin O'Connor's draft, he

11:16

is PJ Hall, who he refers to

11:18

as a glue guy. You're not going

11:20

to draft a screener with the 55th

11:22

pick. A screener? Give me brawny. I

11:25

like that battle. That's PJ Hall versus

11:27

brawny for the 50th pick. Yeah.

11:31

And I mean, in some respects, you

11:33

know, I get what, you know, Colin

11:36

Coward is saying because PJ Hall from

11:38

an NBA perspective is just kind of

11:40

a boring player. So you might want

11:42

to take a take a shot at

11:44

someone else. But boring players are important.

11:46

He is a good screener. He could

11:48

become a good shooter. He's improved. I

11:51

Think the soft touch that he has in

11:53

the paint, hopefully that translates to better three

11:55

point shooting numbers moving forward. But I mean

11:58

the screening ability, the reliability, the touch. I

12:01

couldn't have com Sundance now. Pj How

12:03

how good he is but permanent be

12:05

a prospective? Maybe he's someone who ends

12:07

up going undrafted. In and

12:09

try to find a team that likes him. Like you

12:11

said to shut Johnson is a guy. We talked about

12:13

brownies measurable the think a shower johnstone he measures he's

12:16

gonna have some I popping measurable where teams are going

12:18

to take a chance on him and maybe he moves

12:20

up some boards. We saw him in person. There's little

12:22

bit of a wow factor with him as got some

12:24

great experience. Slow bit older obviously but are your thoughts

12:26

on him? Is he a guy that you go to?

12:29

I'm just trying to think of some these older guys

12:31

go to the combine and have some one kind of

12:33

say. Well he's actually a first round greater like he's

12:35

a guy that should be drafted. Is Kershaw Johnson one

12:37

of those guys. Yeah. I

12:40

think he's tied the guy you know he

12:42

the seniors any twenty three on draft day

12:44

and as you said, the Miserables are gonna

12:46

be probably awesome. I think athletically the way

12:48

he's gonna tests will be off the charts.

12:50

but teams are gonna wanna be looking at

12:52

those shooting drills. and how does he look

12:54

as a three point shooter? There was inconsistency

12:56

there. He made only twenty five percent of

12:58

his trees and sixty one percent of it's

13:00

free throws or four years of San Diego

13:02

State and he sought the hell out of

13:04

the ball in Arizona. How real is that

13:07

teams are gonna want to test that out?

13:09

So of. If the shooting was for real,

13:11

I think that's the type of thing that

13:13

could propel him and to potentially early seconds.

13:15

Late. First and if the shooting doesn't seem real

13:18

then in a we're talking that and mid seconds

13:20

late. Second despite those measurable cause you gotta be

13:22

able to shoot man like the like them but

13:24

you have to be able to city see that

13:26

it's wrote the N B A playoffs of you

13:28

are A. Average or below average

13:30

Shooter teams or treat you like teams

13:32

you country Andre Roberson as Tony Allen

13:34

like you are just the guy they're

13:37

not defending on the floor so that's

13:39

gonna have to be what he proves

13:41

above everything else cause like like we

13:43

talked about when we were was move

13:45

game the person he looks use night

13:47

like it looks even towards extend their

13:49

of yeah he leaked on six seven.

13:52

He I really like to shujaat another Olga

13:54

Baylor Sharman one of the best pick and

13:56

roll players in college basketball or when you

13:59

look at points purpose the acid and I

14:01

think he's a guy with his shot. Ah

14:03

Meta with this kind of leadership some of

14:06

those tangible things are intangibles that he has

14:08

personally of the he's another name Baylor Sharman

14:10

that you know can get some bugs that

14:12

this combine so just throw and that went

14:15

out there as well. So versatile face overs

14:17

over event or he can shoot off screen

14:19

then lot of pick and roll for you.

14:21

To me I'm in a fireman and my

14:24

updated draft guide next week with the only

14:26

question with him his athleticism unlimited doesn't log

14:28

many blogs metics feals but. Be offensive. Game

14:30

is can fit anywhere. Yeah, I think a lot

14:33

of people just die if he doesn't take shots

14:35

a ways away from other guys which can be

14:37

a knock you know to be when the right

14:39

guys post be shooting. I think Baylor can be

14:42

a plus player or there's a lot of interesting

14:44

players. Don't Connect is one of those players that

14:46

you and I have observed and fallen in love

14:48

with. but he is five months older than Anthony

14:50

Edward. So you have a guy like that, Don't

14:53

connect. You could be a shooting guard, started shooting

14:55

guard type but he is older. We've seen older

14:57

guys good draft the early. ah what's the ceiling

14:59

for Connect? You know let's get the same. goes

15:02

for the Combine. He is incredible. Looks the part

15:04

Legacy top five like is a top ten. They

15:06

were to see really fallen were how high could

15:08

he possibly go. I. Think top

15:10

five is probably a bit much for connects considering

15:13

he'll be twenty three and during his rookie season.

15:15

Like you said I had a part of ladies

15:17

five month old of Anthony Edward yeah a buddy

15:19

our that looks like forget the it out the

15:21

way it right now so I i I would

15:24

stick with that god this twenty two of them

15:26

he looks like more like someone from Carolina to

15:28

make three pit. Road

15:30

as you think it and Css it's crazy

15:33

but can act. I think our but I

15:35

have m six for my board that public

15:37

right now. I think you'll end up on

15:39

my personal. More probably closer to eight to

15:42

ten to speak as the age aspect and

15:44

typically you're gonna want to swim for upside.

15:47

With with the top ten pick rather than

15:49

connect. But I don't want to dismiss. Outside.

15:52

With them, just cause he's older doesn't mean

15:54

he doesn't have upside Whether it's someone like

15:56

years ago obviously Draymond Green being the number

15:58

one example auto sector. round as an

16:00

upperclassman or well recently Desmond Bain going to

16:03

Memphis. Just because you're an upperclassman, just because

16:05

you're around 22 or 23 years old doesn't

16:07

mean that you

16:09

can't improve in the NBA. And with

16:11

Connect, it's his first year after transferring

16:13

to Tennessee and he did

16:16

get better over the course of the season.

16:18

He more was put on his plate. He

16:20

became the guy there. He was empowered. He

16:22

became a better defender. Yeah. He improved a

16:24

lot defensively. So I think with Connect, just

16:27

because he's older doesn't mean that he can't

16:29

get better. And like you mentioned

16:31

it earlier with Shireman,

16:33

the pick and roll ability and the

16:35

off ball shooting, Connect is similar in

16:38

that sense too, where he could become

16:40

a guy that is used

16:43

all over the floor. I think like

16:45

a boy on Bogdanovich, somebody like that,

16:47

where he can be used as an

16:50

on-ball shot creator at times and

16:52

can get a bucket for you like he did

16:54

many times for Tennessee this year. Scoring 30 plus,

16:57

but he can also be someone who's just a

16:59

lethal spot-up threat, guy used off screens and handoffs

17:01

and can kind of barrel his way

17:03

to the basket. So to me, the versatility

17:05

can make him a pretty versatile

17:07

threat at the NBA level. And I don't

17:09

see any reason why he can't get better. It's

17:12

just he is older and that's the

17:14

knock against him. Yeah. That 10 to 14 range, you

17:17

know, K.M. Johnson range is what I like to

17:19

call it. Like 11 somewhere in there. That'd be

17:21

great for Dalton Connect. There are five starters from

17:23

the UConn national championship Huskies that will be at

17:25

the NBA draft combined. That is the first time

17:27

since 2012. So that is a tip of the

17:30

cap to Dan Hurley. We get to see Cam

17:32

Spencer. We get to see Donovan Clingan. We get

17:34

to see Alex Caravan. Caravan is the one that's

17:36

kind of Dan Hurley. I got a quote from

17:39

him. He said, quote, if he's going to be

17:41

a first round pick consensus, if you're going to

17:43

be valued that way and invested in that way

17:45

at the NBA level, you have to go short

17:47

of that. I think he would come back and

17:49

be one of the stars of college basketball. Alex

17:51

Caravan, is he a consensus first

17:53

round guy? Could he get there if he has a

17:55

great combine? Where do you stand on Caravan? Caravan

17:58

is not a consensus first. Guy to

18:00

bring a bag. we need him in college

18:02

basketball. Game. More didn't have. I

18:04

can see. I'd say it's more

18:06

likely have made seconds to late second

18:09

time in. And with that said though,

18:11

He. Is the type a guy that

18:13

I could see like raising his draft

18:16

stock because with terror ban you have

18:18

the shooting ability as kind of like

18:20

a foundational you know ability for him

18:22

but he's more than that. he can

18:24

attack close as he's aggressive on those

18:27

drugs. The basket we've seen him bit

18:29

so the ability to back down his

18:31

defender as well. So I think with

18:33

Caravan is more than just spawn off

18:35

guy. He and and so with him.

18:38

He is a similar to a lot of these

18:40

guys, proven what he is athletically if he's playing

18:42

in the scrimmage. What? What does

18:44

he look like defensively defending on a

18:46

switch against a smaller, quicker guard if

18:48

he's defending like a Mark Series out

18:50

there? And we saw him have success

18:53

against Sears. So I what does he

18:55

look like defensively. How

18:57

does he survive athletically? The Sony

18:59

New wrinkles offensively? somebody like somebody?

19:01

Second round picks of so it's

19:04

so flat. like. This. Year

19:06

I mean, this is true a lotta years,

19:08

but especially this year I think from like

19:10

fifteen to fifty, it's, you know, to ease

19:12

your. Nine. With the type of

19:14

players that you desire, what you're looking for

19:16

sell all it takes is one. One.

19:19

Team To say we view you as the right

19:21

guy for us of twenty eighth pick and suddenly

19:23

your first round draft pick. but the caravan you

19:25

know the fact is gonna be twenty one fatty.

19:28

you know what a P is not. You know

19:30

it doesn't have and the size was upside of

19:32

some of these other guys. more likely a second

19:34

rounder yes of Caribbean comes back that sued for

19:37

you can't I think that can be something happens.

19:39

What about Km Spencer? I mean he is kind

19:41

of the engine. ah that made that you can

19:43

often work. He obviously had won a savvy on

19:46

a basketball know how. seems to have a lot

19:48

of mental toughness. like he's not afraid of any

19:50

moment is there any sort of like i'm pretty shocked

19:52

that when i saw came censored name on the combine

19:54

less i was pretty shocked not to say that he

19:56

should be there but i mean they're added know what

19:58

is in be a range was, I mean, is he

20:01

a guy that could get drafted? He

20:03

is a guy that could get drafted. But you know, you

20:05

said earlier how, you know, being

20:07

younger than Anthony, or older than Anthony Edwards, he's like

20:09

a year and a half older than Anthony Edwards, he's

20:12

already 24 years old. With

20:14

him, teams are going to want to see the medical, um,

20:17

because he had that hip issue that required

20:19

surgery years ago. So they're going

20:22

to want to see the medical, what

20:24

that looks like above all else, but

20:26

you know, Cam Spencer's shooting ability, the

20:28

creation ability, the fact he's just, the

20:30

dude's an MF-er, like the way he plays out

20:32

there on defense. He brings it every single possession.

20:34

He has clear NBA upside, but the medicals, I

20:36

would think, going to be the thing that teams

20:38

are going to want to look at above all

20:40

else, because we know who he is as a

20:42

player on the court. Yeah. I've

20:44

been looking at the mock drafts. There's a lot of

20:47

mock drafts out there. I was looking at ESPN because

20:49

I wanted to see where they had these UConn guys

20:51

and where they have the college basketball guys in general.

20:53

So I made a list of all the college basketball

20:55

guys that are coming off the board according to them.

20:58

So the first one is Donovan Clingan, one of these

21:00

UConn starting five. That'll be there. Do we think that

21:02

Donovan Clingan is the first college basketball player off the

21:04

board and how high is that? I mean, could it

21:06

be number one? I know when we read the final

21:09

four, there was some smoke. It could be number one.

21:12

I think it'd be one of four guys. Clingan,

21:16

Castle, Dillingham,

21:18

or Cody Williams. One of

21:20

those four, I think could be the first

21:22

college basketball prospect draft, and that'll depend a

21:25

lot on what happens lottery night next weekend.

21:27

Because it's going to be like with Clingan, could

21:29

he go number one, you asked? Maybe

21:32

if like the Memphis Grizzlies end up with the

21:34

number one pick, because the Memphis

21:36

Grizzlies have a clear need for rim protecting five

21:39

like him. I would be so scared if I

21:41

was Memphis with the beat, you know what I

21:43

mean? Like that's all I would think about. I

21:45

would not be able to do that. I

21:48

know, seriously, but seriously, especially out of UConn

21:50

and everything too. But I

21:52

mean, I think, I think like you look at

21:55

all the other teams in the top 10 though,

21:57

like Detroit has Jalen Duren.

22:00

Charlotte has Mark Williams, San

22:02

Antonio has Victor Webagnama, Portland

22:05

has DeAndre Aiten. Utah

22:08

has Walker Kessler and Larry

22:10

Markinen. Houston's got Schengun.

22:12

Like there's a lot of teams that

22:14

in the top 10 that have centers

22:16

already. So I think it would have

22:18

to be a particular team that needs

22:20

a center, which is why I think

22:24

it's interesting to think about still

22:26

Castle because of his

22:28

perimeter ability. He's far more

22:30

versatile and dealing him because of the

22:32

shot creation. And then

22:35

Cody Williams, who like his, his stock

22:37

has really fluctuated after missing time and

22:39

really he didn't play a lot. He's

22:41

coming off the bench for Colorado and

22:43

March, but Cody Williams is number one on

22:45

a lot of boards at times. He's

22:48

six, eight, six, nine. He's versatile.

22:51

He can handle the ball. He

22:53

was reluctant to shoot at times. Like, but if

22:55

he proves he's an improve, if

22:58

he proves that he is a good shooter

23:00

at the combine and through pre draft workouts

23:02

and all that, I could easily see Cody

23:04

Williams popping up boards. Cause

23:06

like he has the personality, he has

23:08

the makeup, he has the genetics

23:11

with his brother Jalen Williams thriving for

23:13

the OKC thunder. Kyle Mann will see

23:15

here this weekend. Oklahoma. Right.

23:18

You'll see it in person. We're at that. But

23:21

Cody Williams to me, like he's kind of that guy

23:23

that's been, been a little bit forgotten

23:25

about as a potential number one pick

23:27

and definitely perhaps the first college player

23:29

drafted. What's the shades of for Cody

23:31

Williams? If you had one, I

23:33

mean, I know that's really tough and a lot of

23:35

times, you know what I mean? You try

23:37

to throw these comps out. I've been trying in my

23:39

mind, I've been looking at the landscape of the league.

23:41

Like I've been looking at rosters and I've tried to

23:43

compare guys in this draft to current players because I

23:46

feel like a lot of times people are like, he's

23:48

the next John Stockton. You're like,

23:50

wait a second. What? Like it's

23:52

putting a lot on him. So I was trying to

23:54

compare him to like, you know, like if I'm looking

23:56

at Rob Dillingham, I'm saying best case scenario Tyreese Maxi,

23:58

worst case scenario, bone tie. You know,

24:00

like you get a range of what it would be. Is

24:03

there something for Cody Williams? Like where does he fit

24:05

in? Is he a three? Is he a four? Is

24:07

there like a guy that looks like him, plays like

24:10

him that you see? I mean, the

24:12

shades of comparison I have in the draft guide

24:14

right now and I'm open to feedback, open to

24:16

a better one is Jalen Rose.

24:19

Kind of that kind of taller,

24:21

lankier shot maker, like

24:24

Jalen Rose was in his prime. And I don't

24:26

think, and Jalen Rose could play make a little

24:28

bit too. I don't think it's

24:30

perfect. I prefer more contemporary comparisons just because

24:32

like, you know, people looking at the guide,

24:34

a lot of people might not know who

24:37

Jalen Rose was other than like a TV

24:39

personality. That's crazy. Yeah,

24:41

right. Like there's a whole generation that doesn't

24:44

know how great Charles Barkley was for

24:46

that matter, right? Of younger kids. So,

24:48

but Jalen Rose is the name that I currently have

24:51

in there. I don't think it's perfect, but no comparison

24:53

is. Cody Williams is

24:56

very, very, I interviewed him over the

24:58

weekend for the Ringers NBA draft

25:00

show because we're going to do like a series

25:02

of prospect interviews and he is, he's

25:05

got like a really, really good,

25:07

like he's going to interview well with

25:09

teams. He can just like, like it

25:11

was by far the smoothest conversation. Like

25:13

we can just talk basketball, like

25:16

we're buddies. Like he just

25:18

knows the game. He knows the NBA

25:20

clearly loves basketball. And I

25:22

think that love is there with him. Like it

25:24

is for Jalen Williams. They're different. Like Cody Williams

25:26

is quiet. You know, he's more stoic on the

25:28

court. Jalen Williams is like bigger and bubbly and

25:31

louder voice. Yes. Yeah. Literal

25:34

barking. Cody might be a little bit

25:37

more reluctant to do that. But

25:39

he's, I, with him,

25:41

it's just going to be about the shooting man.

25:43

Like he's never really been a three point shooter.

25:45

He shot over 40% at Colorado, but

25:47

it was like on one and a half shots per

25:49

game. And I asked him about that. And he's, and

25:51

I was like, what do you have to do to

25:53

shoot at a higher volume? And

25:56

I think he knows above all else, that that's what

25:58

he's going to have to prove. throughout

26:01

this whole process. But if he does, maybe

26:03

he goes number one, maybe he's the first

26:05

college player to select it. Wow, that would

26:08

be an upset. On this ESPN board, they

26:10

have Clingan, Dillingham, and then Shepard. I wanted

26:12

to ask you about Shepard because Shepard, at one

26:14

point, I mean, we're talking he could go number

26:16

one and he looked incredible, his hands looked great,

26:18

and then it almost felt like he saw that

26:20

he could go number one and then he tanked

26:23

his own draft status. I don't know what was

26:25

going on. I don't know what was in his

26:27

head, but that's what it looked like from the

26:29

outside looking in. I'm not pointing any fingers. I'm

26:31

not saying that happened, but that's what it looked

26:33

like. So where does Reed Shepard sit right now

26:35

as far as range? Like, I mean, obviously the

26:37

talent to be a top three pick, but if

26:39

there are people a little bit spooked by what

26:41

they saw in the tournament at any level, I

26:43

mean, does he drop a little bit? What

26:45

does his range look like? I mean,

26:47

we talked about measurements earlier with Barney James. I think

26:50

that's going to be one of the interesting things that

26:52

teams look at with Reed Shepard, whether it's height, wingspan

26:55

and then athletically as well. Hand size.

26:57

Yeah, hand size. I mean, because even

27:00

though he was like sort

27:02

of nuisance on defense at

27:04

the college level, blocking shots, flying

27:06

around, intercepting passes and all that,

27:09

teams are going to wonder how is that going to translate

27:11

to the next level. And so with

27:14

Reed Shepard, I like Reed a lot. I

27:16

think Reed Shepard's a perfect

27:18

fit on so many different teams drafting

27:20

in the top 10 right now, just

27:22

his connective ability, the lethal

27:24

shooting. I just really

27:26

love Reed Shepard, but more

27:29

realistically, we're talking like six to 12

27:31

range for Reed Shepard. I think that's

27:33

what you should come to expect for a

27:36

player who's on the smaller side. Got

27:38

great hands though. But if you're

27:40

under six feet tall, you're not

27:42

going to make it in the NBA now. I

27:44

feel like that is the cutoff. We have what

27:46

two players in the league currently that are under

27:48

six feet tall, at least listed under six feet

27:51

tall that are actually playing. Marquise Noel was one

27:53

of them in Toronto who was the

27:55

March Madness superstar from last year. So there was

27:57

a little bit of playing and he's not playing.

28:00

You know what I mean? But he's up there. He's

28:02

on the team. So it's hard to be under six

28:04

feet. Yeah, you're right. Like it's hard to be even

28:07

near six foot Because so

28:09

many like if you are near six foot you were

28:11

getting hunted like teams are gonna go after you The

28:14

thing is is you know, that's true for

28:16

Rob Dillingham to like he's six one And

28:18

he's even lighter than Reed Shepard and he's

28:20

not nearly as impactful on defense either But

28:24

how does a team? Like

28:26

how do you weigh that creation ability

28:28

and that shooting ability? Like could it

28:31

become that there's more value in having

28:33

some of those smaller guys? It's kind

28:35

of the extremes of athleticism are pushed

28:37

against the NBA because there's so many

28:40

taller guys That are handling

28:42

the ball now like more teams are going to two

28:44

bigs like we're seeing that right now in Minnesota Rudy

28:47

go bear out there with Carl Anthony towns

28:49

or Nas read LSU product not Nas read

28:51

Like I think our our teams gonna now

28:54

say okay We can't have a smaller guard

28:56

because you do have Mike Conley out there

28:58

from Minnesota, too He's on the

29:00

smaller side and he's on the older side Like

29:03

will teams because they have two bigs a

29:05

lot of the time now say okay We

29:07

can survive with having a six one guy

29:09

a six one guard. So Maybe

29:12

it could work to some of those guys advantages

29:14

advantage at this time in the NBA Where's in

29:16

recent years? It's been like no, we you know,

29:18

you just want a bunch of six six six

29:21

seven guys As long as you can defend and

29:23

rebound at your position That is

29:25

the goal But a lot of times like you said

29:27

if you have Rudy go bear and Nas read behind

29:29

you You're saying we're willing to sacrifice when we have

29:31

someone who can set the table like Mike Conley is

29:34

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are two guys that were, that were put at one

30:37

point, number one in this draft class, and I want

30:39

to talk about them because I do find where they

30:41

are kind of interesting. Isaiah Collier is the first one

30:43

with USC. We saw him in person in sweatpants. He

30:46

did not play, but he looked like a good teammate.

30:48

That was my big takeaway when we saw him in

30:50

person at the Oregon game. Um, where

30:53

does he fall now? Where does he fit in?

30:55

I know he's been compared to Tyree Gevins, which

30:57

is not necessarily the best comp as far as

31:00

like, yeah, rookie of the year, but did not

31:02

last as long as many thoughts. So, I mean,

31:04

where does Collier fit in? And it was like,

31:06

what is the conversation around Collier look like right

31:09

now? I think with

31:11

Collier, it's, he's just going to be one of

31:13

those guys. It's a swing and

31:15

you're betting on, you know, six foot

31:17

four athleticism, bully ball, point

31:19

guard, fingering out his jumper. And

31:22

I think that's going to be the

31:24

question with him above all else. We

31:26

did see flashes of playmaking improvement at

31:28

USC with decision making. I thought he

31:31

was really sloppy at times, especially

31:33

in the beginning of the season. But when he's

31:35

playing a more composed, uh, and a

31:37

composed banner, the, the creation

31:39

looks better. And so he's one of

31:41

those guys where, you know, I'd want

31:43

to see him scrimmage and show off

31:45

that more composed side and the

31:47

shooting ability with him. What does he

31:50

actually get to? He's been below 70% from the line. A

31:53

lot of times he was at USC again, three

31:55

point percentage tends to be closer to 30%. Is

31:59

he going to be somebody that. actually can improve there or

32:01

is he just going to be one of those

32:03

kind of non-shooting, non-shooting

32:05

point guards that just gets hot occasionally? And if

32:07

that's what he is, then that's why the Tyreek

32:09

Evans, Emmanuel Moody-A Comps are there in the draft

32:12

guide. Yeah, I want to see how quick his

32:14

first step is against those caliber guys in the

32:16

combine because if it is elite, if he can

32:18

get downhill versus those guys in that combine situation,

32:21

I think it does help raise his profile a

32:23

little bit to say, it's nice to have a

32:25

guard that can get downhill and touch the paint.

32:27

So I think Isaiah Collier could be one of

32:30

those guys. The other guy who was the number

32:32

one on some of the

32:34

preliminary draft boards going into the college basketball

32:36

season, Justin Edwards, who had

32:38

a very roller coaster season to say the

32:41

least. I mean, he did have some bright spots. I

32:43

mean, he's in this combine mix. He is, you

32:45

know, by most mock drafts, still

32:47

listed as a first round pick. Where does he

32:49

fall? I mean, this is the guy who, like

32:51

I said, was number one at one point. And

32:53

now I see him around like fringe first round,

32:55

early second round. I

32:57

mean, if he had the game he had against

33:00

Alabama, where he was perfect from the

33:02

field, 28 points, shooting the

33:04

hell out of the ball from everywhere, that

33:06

was like the peak of Justin Edwards, where

33:08

like Kentucky fans are hoping to get that

33:10

guy at the beginning of the season. But

33:14

how many, how many good games did he really

33:16

have to? I mean, he had an OK game

33:18

for Kentucky in the tournament, but I

33:21

can't think of many games where I was impressed by

33:23

Justin Edwards, where if I didn't know he was a

33:26

top 20 recruit, you would think

33:28

this guy has no business entering the NBA

33:30

draft. Like I, I've not

33:32

been a big Justin Edwards fan. I think

33:34

the shooting is completely theoretical. Even

33:36

at the high school level, he wasn't

33:39

necessarily a real guy. He was more

33:41

a theoretical shooter. I'm

33:43

not a big fan. I wasn't a big fan entering

33:46

the college season. I had him ranked like 10 when

33:48

others had him won. And

33:50

I Have him as a second round pick right

33:52

now. To Me, he's just a swing and you

33:54

know, you hope he works out and taps into

33:56

whatever the idea is that you think he can

33:59

become. And he might be better like. yeah, accountable,

34:01

we saw a Gg last. You're not, you're barely

34:03

Dd jack the but it might be better for

34:05

someone like him to have the go a tougher

34:07

route. Can I get out, zip their teeth a

34:09

little bit and become the player that we all

34:11

want them to be. an hour sometimes when you

34:13

get a little bit uncomfortable. Yeah, third, see who

34:15

you really are and learn about yourself. So I

34:17

think that might be a good thing for Justin

34:19

Edwards or two guys who had the you're going

34:22

to be Topped the Big that we like Dared

34:24

Mccain, Devin Carter ride. So I feel like those

34:26

if they go to the carbon have become by

34:28

they're probably and that lottery range. That

34:30

they haven't dropped off the you know too much

34:32

right? We still like Mccain was still like Seven

34:34

Carter at tournament. Now see right now. Very.

34:37

Much loved every quarter of

34:39

another guy interviewed be. He.

34:42

Told me a good story about i'm.

34:44

Of. Dublin their toilet paper. Their coach was

34:47

hired last. Your first call I had is

34:49

a workout wardrobe We're going to should seven

34:51

three the game organ or improve your at

34:53

room finish. I will become a two foot

34:55

finisher and. Davos. Things Athens

34:58

provenance A had I as a a

35:00

death is fun man I was he was

35:02

mom for college basketball fans with Hugh

35:04

one of the like ten foreigners flyers a

35:06

lot more the Five Fun as far as

35:08

lots I think I'm like the Big East

35:11

obviously got their full cup of Devin Carter

35:13

and fell in love with him. A

35:15

what's Hopkins got hurt It was like okay

35:17

well the it's just a one man band

35:20

this points with beats lead Devon Carter duty

35:22

gonna do so and he also came from

35:24

Frank Martin who is a very tough

35:26

coach Ride. So he goes from Frank hard transfers

35:28

of their place read cooley Aid Cool He leaves

35:30

him to go to Georgetown like you Just you

35:33

know he's had so many things going to happen.

35:35

it is basketball journey that have gone against him

35:37

but he still is so positive and looks like

35:39

he loves the game and obviously second generation kid

35:41

dad played the be a so we just a

35:43

great story to once you get the learn about

35:45

him and like you said once you start seat

35:47

of doing interviews are like men. Devin.

35:49

Carter. What What a great kid! What a

35:52

great player. Solid player that you pulling the

35:54

plug and play. It gives you good minutes

35:56

at the next level. And. the

35:59

abbey top five lovable player, you know, and the big

36:01

East would agree because they feel like they get snubbed

36:03

and everything. So I'll say top five just to make

36:05

them happy. Can't see it's going to be

36:07

like a 10 year bet for sure. Like without a doubt.

36:10

Yeah, right. I hope he goes to a team

36:12

that has an infrastructure or goes to like a

36:14

good situation. Like, you know, a fun situation like

36:17

a San Antonio or something, you know, who knows?

36:19

They haven't Carter could figure that out. That could

36:21

be good. Two other names I wanted to throw

36:23

out that I feel like are under the radar,

36:25

but they have top flight first round talent. Bub

36:28

Carrington from Pittsburgh, a point guard that has

36:30

size, who has know how, who has a

36:33

knack for scoring. I really think Bub Carrington

36:35

is the name that's going to come out

36:37

of this combine with some wow factor. And

36:39

then Kishon George out of Miami. I think both

36:41

of those guys out of the combine come out and people

36:43

say, I really like what I see from them. Any thoughts

36:46

on either one of those guys that they stand out to

36:48

you at any level? I mean,

36:50

George is an interesting name. Both

36:52

of them are for sure. But

36:54

Kishon George, especially like six, eight

36:56

shot creator, pull up shooter. He's

36:59

better than ever, to my opinion. You know what I mean?

37:02

It's like, I want George. For sure he

37:04

is. I mean, I think with there's a same

37:07

age as well. So with

37:09

George, he could easily be a riser throughout

37:11

this process. I'd say Carrington too, no doubt.

37:13

Yeah, I love that. We were

37:16

joking before we got on the air. I want to talk about this

37:18

rose in a second. But one

37:20

last thing, Jalen Brunson is our leader of

37:22

college basketball. He is the face of college

37:24

basketball at the pro level. We have anointed

37:26

him. Oh, captain, our captain, please lead us

37:29

and please let these NBA people know that

37:31

college basketball matters. Two time national

37:33

champion. He's playing in Philadelphia. He's looking at his

37:35

banners. Beautiful moment all in all. I was looking

37:37

back at the 2018 draft. Luca

37:40

goes number one. SGA goes number two.

37:43

Are we locked in now that Jalen Brunson would

37:45

have been the third pick in the 2018 NBA draft based

37:48

on everything we've seen so far? Like can we

37:50

officially lock that in? Because now I can sleep

37:52

good at night KOC to say in this

37:55

now world that we live in, we all can look

37:57

back and say Jalen Brunson should not have had four

37:59

Villanos. of a player's drafted before him. Yeah.

38:02

Bronson goes three for sure. I

38:04

mean, I think he surpassed Trey

38:06

Young without a doubt. Trey,

38:08

Jared Jackson, they're in that conversation, but I

38:10

think he passed them both. Right. Surpassed

38:13

Mikkel Bridges. Like, I think without a doubt,

38:15

Jalen Bronson goes third in a 2018 redraft.

38:19

Like there's no doubt in my mind. Like to me,

38:21

it's a clear-cut top three. Right. And

38:23

he might be- Who else is even in that? He might be

38:25

fighting top two, top one. You know what I mean? Who knows?

38:28

The Mavs might have had the top two picks in the 2018 draft. You

38:30

know what I mean? That's the funniest part about

38:32

how these drafts work. Crazy. Is

38:35

that nuts? Like that really is free.

38:37

Like MVP voting is announced Wednesday, but

38:39

Bronson could be fifth. He could finish

38:41

fifth on top. That would be three

38:44

guys from the same draft class with

38:46

two of them being on the same

38:48

team for years. Yeah. I mean,

38:50

and we got to watch him in the playoffs and

38:52

when Luca goes down, Jalen would step up. It

38:55

was, you know, it feels like we learned a lot

38:57

about them. Also De'Andre Aiden might not even be in

38:59

the top 10 of that draft at this point. So,

39:01

and Simons has probably drafted before him who is,

39:03

you know, now on his team in Portland. So

39:05

fascinating stuff to look at that. KOC, I'm excited

39:08

for the draft. Do you have any, are you

39:10

going to be at the combine? Like are you

39:12

going to be locked in in LA watching the

39:14

playoffs? Where do you stand on that? Is it

39:16

worth going? How do you feel about it?

39:18

Maybe. I'm not sure yet. I

39:20

have a lot on my plate for

39:23

next week and I'm undecided. I'll

39:25

figure out my middle of the week. I feel like

39:27

I'm talking to like a college basketball recruit in the

39:29

portal. You know what I mean? You're

39:32

like very diplomatic. You're like, I'm undecided. We'll see

39:34

how I feel on Friday. I'm like, what a

39:36

good chance. I

39:38

just got so many things I got to juggle. It's

39:41

like May and June get crazy. So yeah. And

39:43

then we got it. And then we got summer

39:45

league in July. We're all going to be back

39:47

at summer league. At least that's the word on the

39:49

street. So I'm excited for that. We

39:51

get to see these players in person. And I do think,

39:54

you know, last year there was so much hype with Wimpy

39:56

and Scoot and Brandon Miller and like, what does everybody look

39:58

like? Summer league was kind of. running

40:00

rampant a lot of people there this class

40:02

is so quote unquote bad and You

40:05

know kind of looked over that I think this summer league

40:07

We might be able to have some more fun, you know,

40:09

maybe get some more access get some more So

40:12

I I'm I'm feeling good about it and I'm

40:14

excited for this draft class So I hope we

40:16

I hope we zag like when everybody else is

40:18

like, yeah, this class is gonna show if I

40:20

know the ringers Like let's send out a whole

40:23

crew. Let's say right that's a shot. They can

40:25

tag us time to zag on this program We

40:27

love to see that koc the draft show if

40:29

you're not listening go listen koc and

40:31

Kyle man But

40:34

you're doing these interviews like you said separately So there's

40:36

a lot of good stuff over there on the ringer

40:38

NBA draft show with Kevin O'Connor We love to see

40:40

that one last thing before I let you go koc

40:42

I went to the Tom Brady wrote Tom Brady roast

40:45

last night And you

40:47

are a big Patriots fan Kyle if you want

40:49

to come back. I don't know if you're listening

40:51

Kyle. Oh, he's back Let's go. I Saw

40:55

something beautiful last night fellows. You guys are

40:57

two New England Patriots fans I

40:59

feel like I saw the the hatchet was

41:01

officially buried in real time in the forum

41:03

and build a grudge I'm Brady Robert Kraft.

41:05

Everybody was happy and it seemed like they

41:07

were on the same page I had a

41:09

guy in a Matthew Slater jersey in front

41:11

of me crying As

41:13

as Bill Belichick Robert Kraft took

41:15

a shot together in between Kevin

41:17

Hart. So I just wanted to tell

41:20

you guys I saw something special Kyle

41:22

you were watching do you feel like something like

41:24

you feel like you're settled now because I know

41:26

Patriots fans It was a long long battle and

41:28

a lot of infighting, but it feels like it's

41:31

all done now Yeah, as

41:33

I was putting together the final parts of the Bill

41:35

Simmons two-part extravaganza yesterday

41:39

He said something he wanted to like maybe do

41:41

like a little intro about the roast But it

41:43

was the roast was so like well done. He

41:45

was like, I'm actually gonna do a segment This

41:48

one's going after Pearl Jam. It was like an

41:50

18-minute segment. It was great But he said something

41:52

at the end that I didn't even think about

41:54

he was like that was You

41:56

know, that was the closure that Pats fans

41:58

didn't think we would we're gonna to get

42:00

probably didn't even know we needed like this thing

42:02

kind of broke apart in three pieces and

42:06

and they were all together and you know

42:08

they begrudgingly took a shot on stage together

42:10

which was incredible shot

42:13

to Kevin Hart for I wouldn't have had the balls

42:15

to like tell those two guys to come here and

42:18

you know it was live too and it's like it

42:20

didn't happen super fast you know what I mean it

42:22

wasn't like oh they're there here we go it was

42:24

like it was kind of slow

42:26

and it was like Bill Belichick kind of had to

42:29

be convinced a little bit you know this craft was

42:31

kind of wobbling up to the stage and it was

42:33

just like it wasn't clean but he got it done

42:35

and so I thought that was really nice and

42:38

I felt I don't know Kevin have you felt

42:40

this as a Pats fan I feel like I

42:42

had a leg up on America watching just all

42:44

the guys back there like Matt Light who the

42:46

fuck has talked about Matt Light Nate solder Nate

42:48

solder Nate Ebner you know what I mean like

42:50

these type of guys and then you know you

42:52

get Rodney and then all those guys and shout

42:54

out to Gronk for being a good sport but

42:56

I felt like I had like a little more

42:58

information than the rest of the country I felt

43:00

like it was for me really like I laughed

43:02

that made every joke like they'd ever has three

43:04

rings right who the hell is that what

43:06

does this mean but um

43:10

yeah I enjoyed it I'm only two

43:12

hours into it I have one hour I have one hour

43:17

Kevin's like I'll save that last hour I had to go

43:19

to bed last night but um yeah but

43:28

I'll watch the final hour today and see the shot

43:30

they've taken all that but um you're

43:32

right Kyle like what Bill said on the pot

43:34

it was closure that we

43:36

needed that we didn't know we were gonna get it

43:39

just it just feels really good to watch and

43:41

feels really good to watch it's fun to watch

43:43

see all those guys busting each other's balls and

43:46

yeah I'm just I don't

43:49

know I didn't expect it to be honest with you I

43:51

thought if you might just be okay but it's

43:53

actually pretty amazing yeah yeah so I'm excited

43:55

to watch that final hour today and I

43:57

think we're running out of room on And

44:00

like the Bill, Bill Belichick is actually cool

44:02

corner. Like I think we're running out of

44:05

space there. Like it's not even going to be,

44:07

we're not even going to get any credit for that

44:09

anymore, like it's between this and then, you know, what he's

44:11

going to be doing next season and the draft that he

44:13

did. Like it's just, it's. We

44:16

can't even say I told you so because it'll just be

44:18

like, yeah, everyone knows that now. Yeah.

44:20

I mean, it's a foregone conclusion. It

44:22

is. I used to watch press conferences every Wednesday when

44:25

I was like 11, 12, 13 years old,

44:28

like, like, well, I was a young Patriots

44:30

fan. Cause I used to, I used to

44:32

be like, I would absorb myself in the

44:34

insights, not just like football inside, but life

44:36

inside. He was awesome. I

44:38

always thought even though he's like a, a

44:40

dick after games sometimes, and sometimes he'd have

44:43

as like his grumbly annoying, yeah. He

44:46

always had those, but he also had his

44:48

brilliant and insightful thoughts and comments

44:50

on, you know, hard work and all that. And

44:52

he's also just funny and players loved him. You could

44:54

see the way they all reacted when he went up

44:56

there on stage. I mean, he

44:59

crushed it up there. He was great. Yeah. But

45:01

I'm a big win for Foxborough high school.

45:03

A lot of stories about high school. Um,

45:06

I thought they were the big winners on the night.

45:09

Nikki Glaser was a huge winner. Uh, I mean the

45:11

Gronk joke that she had, I mean, Kevin, the best

45:13

part about being live was that Kevin Hart was reacting

45:15

in real time. So he was just like, what the

45:17

fuck? That was incredible. Like, that's how you do a

45:20

roast. Uh,

45:22

that was great. Ron Burgundy popped up. That was

45:24

fun. Um, and I will say it's like, it

45:26

was going like, I went with my girlfriend Riley and

45:28

she was like, I feel like we're going to a

45:30

Patriots football game because there were so many

45:33

Patriots jerseys, like amongst the common folk, the people

45:35

that were sitting down the tables are all in

45:37

suits, but the common folk, they're all in Patriots

45:39

jerseys. So much so that there was a lady

45:42

in front of us in security. She had a

45:44

bag, like a food line bag of pin jerseys,

45:46

Tom Brady jerseys, that she was expecting Tom Brady

45:48

to sign. And the security was like, he's not

45:51

going to be signed in Jersey tonight. She was

45:53

like, are you kidding me? I came here from

45:55

Boston to get Tom Brady to sign these jerseys

45:57

and he's not going to sign these jerseys. That

46:00

was the energy that the building kind

46:02

of had. It was a Patriots crowd.

46:05

It was like a moment like you said it

46:07

was this moment of closure. It was a beautiful

46:09

night. I know we're spoiling it all

46:11

for Kevin because he has to watch the

46:13

last hour, but it was

46:15

a great time. And I think roasts are back. I

46:17

mean, I feel good about roasts. I think roasts need

46:19

to be back, but it does feel like we're going

46:21

to have like the best thing LeBron could do. That's

46:23

what I thought about last night.

46:25

The best thing LeBron could do for his career

46:28

is to go do the roast and

46:30

have people actually roast him and be a good

46:32

sport. Like Tom Brady was a great sport. You

46:34

know what I mean? Throughout the whole thing, he

46:36

could have had some issues. There was some vile

46:38

stuff said about his family and his ex life.

46:40

I mean, all types of stuff, but if LeBron

46:43

does the goat roast like Tom Brady did, I

46:45

think that would be my next move because I

46:47

think that'd be a win for everybody. How many

46:49

upside down book jokes do you think there's going

46:51

to be? Kevin

46:53

Hart walked out with the upside down book

46:55

that he's reading as if it's a prompt.

46:58

I mean, that's good. That's what we need.

47:00

So I think we're team roast. I'm

47:02

happy for you guys. I'm happy for Tom Brady.

47:04

I feel like it was a big win. Also,

47:06

Kim Kardashian was shit faced. I just want you

47:08

guys to know this. I saw

47:10

it in person. Like she was... Did it happen

47:12

after the booze you think? And she was just like,

47:15

all right, we're going to just pour up now because

47:17

that happened live. There's no way we can cut away

47:19

from that. You had to be in your seats. It

47:21

started at five, but you had to be in your

47:23

seats technically at 4.30. So like they

47:25

were like, get all your drinks, go to the bathroom,

47:27

do everything. You know what I mean? So like we

47:29

got, you double up on... I think everybody was just

47:31

like, I'm going to be here for the next

47:33

hour. Two double please. Two double please. Two double

47:35

please. With drinks, you know? And I think Kim

47:37

Kardashian fell to that, which was great. The other

47:39

part they didn't show on the Netflix roast to

47:41

give you like a little behind the scenes. Burke

47:43

Kreischer was getting called out for like being lame

47:45

and like all the fat comedians like that had

47:48

died, lived like rock stars, but he's a loser

47:50

and all this sort of stuff. Right. And

47:52

he flat, he pulls out of his jacket, a

47:54

bag of cocaine and flashes it to the crowd.

47:57

And that whole bit, like if you watch it on the, if

47:59

you watch the... from the thing like the crowd goes

48:01

crazy you know what I mean they're like you don't know

48:03

why because they didn't show it

48:05

but that was like he was like I'm not

48:07

a square you know and the the crowd's like

48:09

going insane Tom Brady's dying laughing it was like

48:11

oh my god was it clearly a prop bag

48:13

of cocaine was it a sandwich bag or was

48:16

it like a little actual like look I don't

48:18

want to rat on a dime bag it looked

48:20

it looked like a bag it looked like a

48:22

bag and uh but it killed it was it

48:24

killed because it killed the joke like you know

48:26

it's basically he's getting called a square and he

48:28

was like I am the opposite I'm a circle

48:30

I'm high right now so that was great I mean a lot of

48:34

it was a great roast time a lot of

48:37

great roasters and uh Nikki Glazer I think won

48:39

the roasting uh as far as like the comedians

48:41

themselves but Tom Brady won the night that's a

48:43

big win for New England big win for Foxborough

48:45

big win for you guys um so

48:47

I'm very happy for you um Kevin where can we find

48:49

all your work and then we'll we'll do some shout outs

48:51

and get out of here the

48:53

ringers NBA draft show and the mismatch those

48:55

are my two podcasts and the ringers NBA

48:57

draft guide over at the ringer.com you're the

48:59

best koc we want to have you back

49:01

as we are getting closer and closer to

49:04

the draft we want to keep uh you

49:06

know in touch with what's happening with the

49:08

draft guide so we appreciate you coming to

49:10

the show thanks for filling in koc in

49:12

for comment while he's in okc great times

49:14

and uh we'll have you back on osp

49:16

soon man appreciate you thank you tay

49:18

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50:49

you have it. Kevin O'Connor. He's the best. Appreciate him coming

50:51

on the show. This is just like preliminary draft talk. We're

50:53

just giving you a little bit of a taste of what

50:55

it's going to be. And if you

50:57

want to dive all the way in, like I

50:59

said, you listen to the Ringer NBA draft show.

51:02

They are doing that every single week. So shout

51:04

out to Kevin. He's working hard on that. We

51:06

got to do some shout outs quickly. The first

51:08

one is a shot at my heart. Shout out

51:10

to Cliff Amore. He has committed to Alabama over

51:12

North Carolina. This was the big news on Sunday

51:14

that North Carolina is still without a big man.

51:17

They thought Cliff was their guy. He decides to

51:19

saddle up with Clifford, Clifford, the big

51:21

red dog instead of North Carolina and

51:23

now Alabama and NATO. They're talking preseason

51:25

number one. And Amore

51:27

apparently got offered $2 million, Kyle. That

51:31

is what they're saying that Georgetown offered him. I

51:33

would like to report this. This is an official

51:35

report. Every time that you see

51:37

a number like that, it is completely fictitious and made

51:39

up. So I just anyone that reports that $2 million

51:42

is offered, I can promise you there could have been

51:44

a package that could have got into $2 million or

51:46

something like that. But

51:48

there's no way in hell that Cliff

51:50

Amore was offered $2 million. And if

51:52

he was, then maybe the resignation should happen

51:55

because Georgetown, that's the most out of pocket offer

51:57

I've ever heard of. But my sources are telling

51:59

me. that did not happen,

52:01

but it does sound good. It sounds sexy

52:03

that someone was getting offered $2 million. So,

52:05

Cliff Amore, going to Alabama for less than

52:07

$2 million. That is what I know. So,

52:10

if he got $2 million, he was not savvy

52:12

enough to take the offer. Kyle, this is one

52:14

that's close to your heart. Shout out to North

52:16

Chad O'Mear. He committed to Baylor. He did not

52:18

have a Tipton edit. He did it himself via

52:21

IG, his own path. This is

52:23

a big win for Scott Drew, big win for Baylor, one

52:25

of our favorite players here on OSB. And Kyle, he's one

52:27

of your guys. So, what are your thoughts? Do you like

52:29

North Chad at Baylor? Yeah, I

52:32

like it that it's Baylor. I like it that Johnny

52:34

didn't lose him to a lesser

52:37

squad, definitely stayed out of the big East. So,

52:39

that's good. I'm happy for him. He's one of

52:41

those guys I'll root for wherever he goes. You're

52:43

glad that the Johnny's dodged him in conference, which

52:45

I really appreciate that. That's how you know you're

52:47

a real Johnny. Speaking of the

52:49

Johnnies, aka Patino University, I think I'm going

52:52

to start doing this where we call Coach

52:54

Cow U at Arkansas. We just find little

52:56

monikers for each school. Patino U is good.

52:58

Davon Smith from Utah is coming to play

53:00

for the Johnnies. This is a big win. Kentucky

53:03

had interest. Kyle Mann was telling us that Kentucky had

53:05

academic issues. That's why he didn't get in. I'm going

53:07

to say that Rick Patino just won the recruiting war.

53:09

That sounds a lot better to me, and he's going

53:11

to go play for the Johnnies. So, you're fired up,

53:14

Kyle. You're excited. We got a good one. Yeah,

53:16

I mean, I look every week, and I

53:18

just type in St. John's, and then when there's nothing there, I

53:20

type in Rick Patino, and there was nothing there for a couple

53:22

weeks, and I got a little nervous. But

53:25

this is a big one. This is a big one, and there's,

53:27

I think, some other dudes out there that

53:29

still have St. John's in there, you know, leaning this

53:32

way or that way. So, I'll

53:35

just be, I'll keep doing those two Googles,

53:37

and hopefully we have days like today where

53:39

it works. In that Google search, I also

53:41

found that I just wanted to bring this up.

53:44

Rick Patino, here's the headline from

53:46

redstormsports.com. Rick Patino to be honored

53:48

at the 2024 Panatha Gala, which

53:51

is a callback to

53:53

his Panethinikos Days. They're coming to

53:55

Queens. They're coming to Queens to throw him the

53:57

banquet. He Didn't have to go. They came to

53:59

him. That's the type of planet that

54:01

repartee know as he brie and reach city

54:03

or. He. Is he is the son

54:06

you know to be. We gravitate towards Rick

54:08

and other people in Greece and we will

54:10

come to Queens to too corny you and

54:12

he said perfect season our ah so good

54:14

for him. Good for equity now we love

54:17

that that is this. It's and is a

54:19

big win in the news cycle as the

54:21

more notable commits. John Stewart from Due To

54:23

is a really good basketball player has committed

54:25

to Ohio State want to shot at Ohio

54:28

State they have done some good work and

54:30

dig dealers first year there and the portal

54:32

and shots or to big adds to leave.

54:34

Battle from Arkansas is commemorated dagger so that's

54:36

another big one. So arshad article he battle

54:39

big name that a must buy us. I

54:41

didn't know, I was confused. I thought he

54:43

was going to recruit him but it looked

54:45

like he really didn't So he's gonna go

54:48

play for the zags. Posh Alexander former Johnny

54:50

Turn Dub Butler bulldog now is going to

54:52

go play for Dayton. Big news there for

54:55

danger to the Flyers. Also need Santos is

54:57

withdrawing his name from the portal. he's gonna

54:59

return date and so some good news for

55:01

the Flyers. We always legacy-out to the barley

55:04

kid. Do Miles my guy from

55:06

high point committed to Oklahoma big upgrade

55:08

their for Oklahoma and Porter most herself

55:10

a big commitments arm another one another

55:12

to maybe that we get a burrow

55:14

point to Bruce Pearl and all burn

55:16

have signed a ten year deal with

55:18

Nike so Nike has officially drop the

55:20

bag and they are going to be

55:22

a force with Bruce Pearl. So watch

55:24

out like as Tell Barry is Kentucky

55:26

and getting out of Camelot. Bruce Pearl

55:28

has seen a path. He sees this

55:30

as to the top of the mountain

55:33

and Nike is going to saddle up

55:35

with him so that's a big win.

55:38

One. my shadow for me shots or rick

55:40

pitino and shouted the villanova next ah that

55:42

that philadelphia game the closer there are twenty

55:45

six assists for the three villanova next week

55:47

casinos impressed america was impressed ah i've a

55:49

soft spot for villanova even though jail abrupt

55:51

and talks third kenny smith about the twenty

55:53

sixteen shot i still let it fly because

55:56

how could you not like these villanova kids

55:58

so i love that. Love the shout outs.

56:00

Kyle, I know you had a couple and

56:02

then we'll get out of here. I've got

56:04

two more. One of these,

56:06

it could be Rick adjacent, which I'm

56:08

sorry, I'm bombarding you guys. This is

56:11

the headline from on three great publication,

56:13

college football players association. That's

56:15

not real. I don't think I think that's

56:17

like the idea calls for a non-employment model

56:19

ahead of pivotal week. I

56:22

guess this is being proposed to Congress. It's

56:24

basically a hybrid model that Congress would

56:27

have to like put into place that would not

56:29

classify athletes as employees, but at the same time

56:31

set a framework for collective bargaining. There's talk of a

56:33

salary cap, which Rick was saying in jest and if

56:35

this, I was, I keep checking to see if he's

56:37

got anything to say because he'll be one of the

56:40

first, especially, especially if it's college

56:42

football and now college basketball, he can just

56:44

be like, we're brother and I can, I'm

56:46

speaking up for them as

56:49

well as, as for us. So I'm waiting to

56:51

see who's got something to say about that. But

56:54

these are the ideas that get thrown out there.

56:56

Next thing you know, there's a salary cap and

56:58

there's a lockout. Yeah. And

57:00

John, Santa just wrote a big piece on Fox

57:02

Sports about like what the landscape looks like, looks

57:04

like right now and how there's no amateurism. Yes,

57:06

it is the wild, wild West and they're trying

57:09

to figure out some way to kind of cap

57:11

it at some level. But I think the cats

57:13

out of the bag and I think them trying

57:15

to put in infrastructure is going to make it

57:17

even more of a mess. Every single time the

57:19

NCAA makes a new rule, it ends up becoming,

57:21

you know, unconstitutional

57:25

by the end of the end of it

57:27

also. College basketball

57:29

and the constitution. We didn't think they

57:31

had so much in common, but they really do.

57:33

Who would have thought when they drew that out

57:35

there, like this is going to impact college athletes

57:38

forever. The founding fathers. What

57:40

did George Washington really mean when he made

57:42

this country? This

57:44

isn't up to snuff. That was a part

57:46

of the Shane Gillis, George Washington tour. They

57:48

had a whole college basketball section. That was

57:51

good. Good stuff. So

57:53

there we go. You got one more shout

57:55

out? Yeah, this one's a fun one. This

57:57

is like, we may have even made a joke. about

58:00

this, but here's the headline

58:02

from Kentucky News Radio, I think,

58:04

or KSR, one of those things.

58:07

Pope Francis was presented with a marked

58:09

Pope-Kentucky jersey by a Lexington priest, and

58:12

the quote says, he loved it. He

58:15

also got his holiness to sign a

58:17

bottle of Willett-Burban. So the Pope

58:20

did a jersey swap, and then the Pope signed

58:22

a bottle of Kentucky-Burban. Honestly, shout out to Pope.

58:24

But the Pope and a Pope jersey is just

58:26

great. There's got to be more of those things

58:28

that can be done with the

58:30

little creative stuff.

58:33

So I guess this is the Lexington Cardinal

58:35

or Bishop, whatever is more appropriate for Lexington,

58:37

Kentucky. I don't know if they have Bishops

58:39

over there, but he got

58:41

it done, and I guess he made a connection through the Kentucky

58:44

football team. So everyone kind of came together to

58:46

get this done, and they put a fucking jersey

58:48

with Pope on the Pope's back. So that's great.

58:51

Imagine the Pope getting that request and

58:53

getting that package. That's got to be

58:55

a great moment in Pope history, where

58:57

he's like, they want me to put

59:00

on this jersey. And it's like, yes,

59:02

we need you, the Pope, to put on this Pope

59:04

jersey. And they sent me a bottle of Pope

59:16

on the Pope. That's what he's saying.

59:18

Perfect. It's good. It's good. We

59:21

love that. Good times. Appreciate everyone tuning in. Shout

59:23

out to KFC for coming to the show. Shout

59:25

out to Kyle. Shout out to Tom Brady. I

59:27

feel like Tom Brady, he beat the allegations last

59:29

night. He weathered a whole lot of allegations. It

59:31

was a long storm, and he weathered it. He

59:33

weathered it all, and he's a cool dude. Look, there's

59:35

some people that say it's crass when you flick off

59:38

the cold crowd. But when people have been talking about

59:40

your wife for three hours, your ex-wife, I think you're

59:42

allowed to do that. So shout out to Tom Brady.

59:44

He Won us over and a big

59:46

winner in the Zeitgeist of American sports history. So

59:48

We love to see it. Like I Said, we

59:50

will be back later in the week. Here on:

59:52

One Shining Podcast. We're going to have a fun

59:54

guest. We're going to talk about some of these

59:56

recruiting updates and get an insider, get a scooper

59:58

to come on to help. That so again we'll

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