In this episode, Cashmere Agency’s co-founder Seung Chung and Center for Policing Equity’s Vice President Chris Burbank discuss the controversy and connotation behind the terms “defunding” and “reimagining” the police. On behalf of CPE, Chris expressed that the organization favored the term “reimagining”. To him, “defunding” the police is a very complicated process that people have failed to fully grasp and deconstruct. Chris encourages listeners to reflect on why the police are needed in the first place in certain situations, and reimagine who can be used as alternatives. Chris believes policing is at its best when the interest of a successful outcome is more important than going to jail.