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This is Mike Roth on Open Forum in

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the Villages , florida . I'm here today with Stephanie

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Steckel . Today , we're going to be talking

1:23

about your teeth , or orthodontics

1:25

. Stephanie , why don't you tell our audience

1:27

a little bit about your background ? How

1:30

did you get into orthodontic work

1:32

?

1:32

Well , thanks for having me today , mike . I really

1:34

loved doing orthodontic treatment . I did

1:36

that for 23 years Before I became an orthodontist

1:39

. I grew up like everybody

1:41

else . I grew up in the time of Charlie's

1:43

Angels and Chips in the Los Angeles

1:46

area , and looking good was important and

1:48

having a nice smile was also very important

1:50

. When I went to school I really enjoyed

1:52

studying two areas . I liked art and

1:54

I liked science and I thought

1:56

dentistry . Going to dental school would

1:58

help me combine the two interests . So

2:01

I decided to go to dental school . I went to a

2:03

wonderful dental school . I went to UCLA . When

2:05

I finished there I came out to Philadelphia

2:07

and got to become a general

2:09

dentist for about five years and

2:11

I enjoyed doing general dentistry . I was lucky

2:14

to work with a group of dentists who also did other

2:16

specialties . So for five years I worked with

2:18

other specialists into general dentistry but

2:20

I really started to gravitate towards orthodontics

2:23

. It was fun and it was meaningful . So

2:25

then I decided I'm going to go back to school . So

2:28

I went back to school in orthodontics then

2:30

in Georgia and I enjoyed the medical college

2:32

in Georgia and all I learned . The faculty was

2:34

wonderful . And then I set up my practice in

2:36

Delaware and practiced for 23

2:38

years as an orthodontist .

2:41

Was it a solo practice in orthodontics ?

2:44

I was a solo doc .

2:45

yes , that's good . I understand

2:47

you also wrote a book . Tell our audience

2:49

a little bit about your book .

2:50

I really enjoyed writing the book

2:52

. It was a new creative process

2:54

for me . My book is called Crooked

2:57

to Strait . It's

2:59

a guidebook for patients , parents

3:01

, kids , anybody that wants to get orthodontic

3:04

treatment . I'm your guide to tell you

3:06

about what to do before , what to do

3:08

during and what to do after . I'm not treating

3:10

you , but I am your guide . I'm your in

3:12

the book , whether ebook or paperback

3:14

, you can look me up and find

3:16

information throughout the process of

3:19

your treatment . I want you to succeed and

3:21

I want you to have a good experience with the staff

3:23

and the doctors . So my passion

3:25

for writing the book was there , because I

3:27

truly think that a good doctor-patient

3:30

relationship is the basis for successful

3:32

outcomes .

3:33

Mm-hmm , and was that the reason

3:35

that you wrote the book ?

3:36

The reason I wrote the book . I was inspired

3:39

by my dog . I have a wonderful dog

3:41

. He's a Kelpie , it's like a farm dog and

3:44

about a year ago he had this really tough skin

3:46

condition that the local vets

3:48

we couldn't get resolution with . So

3:51

my husband and I started looking up online

3:53

. What can we do to help his skin heal and

3:55

what we couldn't find there get resolution

3:58

either . Last year I was in Gainesville

4:00

visiting a rotary club and I met a

4:03

veterinarian that teaches

4:05

at University of Florida , Gainesville and

4:08

he recommended we take a

4:10

look there . We found out that there is a dermatology

4:12

clinic at the school , so we

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made an appointment for our dog . After the appointment

4:17

they sent us eight pages to fill in

4:19

.

4:19

Eight pages .

4:20

Of documentation of history on our dog

4:22

, mm-hmm . We filled it in , brought it to

4:24

the appointment and I was so impressed

4:26

with them because you had veterinary students

4:29

, you had first year residents and you

4:31

had attending doctors . They all all

4:33

three of them read the information Mm-hmm

4:35

and they asked a lot of questions . They

4:37

asked us about his history and

4:39

they wanted to confirm they understood what

4:41

we had done and what is going

4:44

on .

4:44

Sure .

4:45

Then they did the testing Okay . And they ordered tests

4:47

, we got a diagnosis . They explained

4:49

what we needed to do . Of course , in a sense

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I'm the patient along with my dog , because

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I have to render the care for him after

4:55

we leave . But it was very

4:57

successful and I truly believe

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it was successful because we had a really good

5:02

doctor-patient relationship . And

5:04

now my dog wherever we go walking

5:07

around the villages , he gets compliments on

5:09

his coat . He has a beautiful coat , his skin

5:11

is healed beautifully .

5:12

Mm-hmm , and because of the experience

5:15

with your dog , you decided to write a book

5:17

for people who needed orthodontic

5:19

work .

5:19

Well , I really got to know my patients . As an

5:21

orthodontist I really loved spending

5:23

time with them . I'd see them on average

5:26

or treated 21 months national

5:28

average for orthodontic treatment , mm-hmm . So

5:30

I see them a lot . They we become

5:33

I wouldn't say family , but we become really

5:35

trusted friends for each other . So I want

5:37

them to trust me . I want and I want them , of

5:39

course , to like me that would be great too , but I

5:41

certainly want them to trust me that I'm going to take

5:43

good care of them . So I really believe in

5:45

that relationship and it just hit home with

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my dog's experience . So that's

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where the genesis of the book came from .

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So when someone was in your practice

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for orthodontic work , how

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often did you see them ?

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When I first started in 1995

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, the typical adjustment

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frequency was every four weeks .

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Mm-hmm .

6:05

And then we started to include

6:07

or change the wires that I

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used for the adjustments , and

6:12

these wires had a longer activation

6:14

period . So we actually stretched

6:17

out their appointments to six weeks and then

6:19

over time we went to eight weeks . Ok

6:21

, activation period means how

6:23

active the wire is once it's attached

6:26

to your braces .

6:27

Before it loses its tension .

6:29

Right .

6:29

OK , sure Did you have any interesting experiences

6:32

while you were writing your book .

6:33

The experience of writing the book was very

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creative and very different than any

6:38

other writing I did before . It was

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fun , but it was hard .

6:41

Mm-hmm .

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And I found that my

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experience writing the book was really one of the four

6:47

reasons people write books . Usually

6:49

they write a book from a shared experience , mm-hmm

6:51

. Or they may write a book because , hey

6:54

, I've got a business and I want to promote my business

6:56

, so I'll write a book about it , or they have

6:58

a passion for a certain topic

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and they want to put it in a book . My reasons

7:02

for writing the book was really a shared experience

7:04

, but not really it was . I

7:06

was a dentist , then I was an orthodontic

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patient , then I was an orthodontist , so

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I felt like I had seen both sides of the

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chair .

7:13

So you went through orthodontic work

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as an adult .

7:17

Yes .

7:18

Okay , I did too , and for me it

7:20

was a different kind of experience .

7:22

It's very different as an adult compared to

7:24

kids .

7:25

Yeah , I always was a little

7:27

bit angry at my dad for not

7:29

putting me through orthothanothera treatment . When

7:31

he put my younger brother through they said , well

7:33

, you didn't need it . And for me ? my

7:36

dentist said to me the pain you're having , your

7:38

lower teeth is not because they need a root

7:40

canal , not because you have a cavity , but

7:42

because they're pushing on the teeth , the pushing

7:44

on each other . Go see an orthodontist

7:46

and it was kind of hard to accept but

7:49

I went to see the orthodontist and

7:51

got the braces and worked out very well .

7:53

Yeah , there's usually some sort

7:55

of orthodontics too . You

7:57

may or may not remember that .

7:59

It was actually a wonderful weight loss

8:02

treatment .

8:02

Really .

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For me . I probably lost 20 pounds

8:05

in orthodontic treatment

8:07

because I didn't want to brush my teeth

8:09

after any time I ate anything . So

8:12

I stopped eating completely in between

8:14

meal , which is a habit that

8:16

stuck with me . And the

8:18

amount of time it took to brush your

8:20

teeth meant that I didn't have time to do other things . So

8:22

I was encouraged not to eat as

8:25

frequently and better food

8:27

, so I guess it worked out pretty well .

8:29

Well , you had cleaner teeth for longer periods

8:32

, it sounds like , and that's good .

8:34

Yeah , and that's been a continuing

8:36

habit . But if we want to lose a couple of pounds , I'll

8:38

definitely recommend braces .

8:40

Well , I will tell you two things about adults , and

8:42

I'm glad that you'd recommend braces

8:44

. I've had multiple adults say that

8:47

, that they would lose weight . I expect to lose weight

8:49

doing this , because my teeth are going to hurt and

8:51

sometimes they do and sometimes they don't

8:53

, so I'm glad it worked out for you

8:56

in your case . The second thing I learned

8:58

is that adults when I designed my office

9:01

, I was told by the office designer

9:03

you want to have a room just for adults , because

9:05

adults don't want to be with the kids , and what's funny

9:07

is that room ended up being empty for

9:10

adults . So adults want to be with the kids . They don't

9:12

want to be by themselves in a room away

9:14

from kids . The kids are fun , the kids want

9:16

to interact , and so it

9:18

was fun to see how that changed

9:21

. The expectation was this , but it was

9:23

fun to treat all the different ages together

9:25

.

9:26

Now , I didn't even notice the age

9:29

of the other patients at the office . It

9:31

did make a difference to me , Can you tell us ? Listen

9:33

, there's a little bit about the specialty of orthodontics

9:35

.

9:36

Sure , orthodontics is

9:38

a treatment that over two million

9:40

people in the United States choose

9:42

every year to get done probably closer

9:45

to three million and if you're going

9:47

to do that , I strongly recommend

9:49

that you consider that there's a time

9:51

commitment and you were just discussing

9:53

an oral hygiene commitment that goes along

9:55

with it . That's greater than what you're experiencing

9:58

now . So over two million people decide

10:00

to do this adults , mostly kids , but

10:02

maybe about 30% adults and

10:04

when you go in to get treatment it's

10:07

a change to your lifestyle , but

10:09

you'll get to see changes in your teeth . Probably

10:12

, give it about a month . You'll start to see your teeth starting to look

10:14

better . So it's worth some of the discomfort you'll

10:16

go through . And then there is some discomfort . You just have

10:18

to expect that . In the profession

10:20

there is definitely a trend

10:23

towards mass customization of

10:25

orthodontic treatment , meaning the braces

10:27

are customized for that particular

10:30

patient or the aligners

10:32

the clear aligners are customized

10:34

and there's also a trend towards

10:37

as much delegation as possible

10:39

that's legally allowed for the staff

10:41

. So you see the doctor and then you also

10:43

see the staff while you're in treatment .

10:45

So is that in visalign

10:47

braces that you were talking about ?

10:49

Yes , that's one of the brands that are out

10:51

there , yeah .

10:53

And that's better than the traditional

10:55

stuff which was wired on .

10:57

I'm going to give an engineer or economist

10:59

answer on that . Which is it depends .

11:01

Okay , tell us both .

11:02

If you're somebody who

11:04

doesn't mind having the fixed braces

11:07

on your teeth and of course you don't know until

11:09

you know I think the braces may

11:11

serve you just as well as aligners

11:14

. And now , if your orthodontist gives

11:16

you a choice , then it makes it a little tricky

11:18

for you to choose . You

11:21

may want to choose and work with what your orthodontist

11:23

recommends for your particular treatment

11:26

. I find that there's pros and cons with each

11:28

you described . Having high , you know , hygiene

11:30

, keeping them very clean takes time

11:33

and that's true

11:35

. If you take the aligners out , you can brush

11:37

and floss normally , but

11:39

you also have to clean the aligners . Make sure you

11:41

put them back in . If you lose time

11:43

during the day , forget to put them back in . It could

11:45

delay your treatment .

11:46

The cost of treatment will take a longer .

11:49

The treatment time doesn't really differ between

11:51

the two .

11:52

Really .

11:52

In my experience , I think they both work about

11:55

the schedule that

11:57

you can forecast them to work .

11:59

Which one is more expensive ?

12:00

Over time , what I've learned is

12:03

that you make the fee the same for

12:05

either one , either modality

12:07

.

12:08

Mm-hmm .

12:09

There's actually you save time on the setup

12:11

for one modality and the other

12:13

. You have a greater setup , but

12:15

then it's less expensive up front . So

12:17

they kind of evens out .

12:19

That's the market at work In

12:21

round numbers . What is a cost

12:24

of orthodontic work cost

12:26

today ?

12:27

Round numbers , depending on how long

12:29

you're going to be treated and where you live

12:31

in the country . I'd say an estimate

12:33

anywhere between four and $7,000

12:35

is a good estimate . If

12:37

you have another specialist that you see during

12:40

the treatment , it might add some cost .

12:43

And let's take a quick break here and listen to

12:45

a Alzheimer's tip from Dr Craig

12:47

Curtis . Dr Curtis , can you tell our listeners

12:49

something they can do to improve the

12:51

nourishment that ?

12:53

they give to their brains . Absolutely , our

12:55

brain only weighs about 2% of

12:57

our overall body weight , yet it receives

13:00

about 20% of our blood supply . So

13:02

it's very important that we essentially

13:05

nourish our blood vessels , as we nourish

13:07

our blood vessels will essentially

13:09

then nourish our brain . So lowering

13:11

the amounts of sugars , red

13:14

meat that are red meats that's

13:16

high in cholesterol , can go a long

13:18

way to nourishing our brain by

13:20

making our blood vessels more compliant With

13:22

over 20 years of experience studying brain

13:24

health .

13:25

Dr Curtis's goal is to educate the village's

13:27

community on how to live a longer , healthier life

13:29

. To learn more , visit his website craigcurtismdcom

13:33

, or call 352-500-5252

13:37

to attend a free seminar here in the villages

13:39

we have a lot of people over way over 60

13:41

years of age .

13:42

Does it pay for someone over 60 years of age to

13:44

get braces ?

13:46

If that person's looking in the mirror and

13:48

isn't happy with their smile , braces

13:50

may be a nice option for that

13:52

person . It's conservative , you're

13:54

not , you're not , you know . Let's say they have crooked

13:56

teeth they don't like , or they don't like , the color

13:59

of their teeth . The color of their teeth issue

14:01

. Braces probably aren't an option for somebody

14:03

like that . Maybe getting some whitening or veneers

14:05

might be a better option . I do recommend

14:08

whoever you see for consultation

14:10

, ask them what your options are , even if

14:12

it's an orthodontist . I mean , I was a general

14:14

dentist for a while . So somebody said , am

14:16

I a veneering candidate ? I would

14:18

say , yeah , you probably can get veneers done instead

14:20

of ortho . You could do that . So

14:22

I'd say that's somebody over 60 , if

14:25

you're looking in the mirror and you say , hey , I

14:27

don't like what I see , what is it you don't like

14:29

? Write that down specifically and

14:31

talk to your dentist If you're thinking about orthodontics

14:34

. Your dentist is somebody who knows you . Your hygienist

14:36

knows you . Talk to them about the experience

14:38

and what would be involved . But

14:41

what I recommend is you're really specific about what you

14:43

want to change , because you just want straight teeth

14:45

or a perfect smile , that's

14:47

fine , but you're going to be better prepared if you're a little

14:50

more specific on what you want to change .

14:53

And this is a question I asked before you went

14:55

on the air . Well , someone who

14:57

has orthodontic work to straighten

14:59

out their teeth have a lower risk of needing

15:02

implants ?

15:03

People who go through orthodontic treatment . Whether

15:06

you're a child or an adult , you're undoubtedly

15:08

spending more time taking care of your teeth

15:10

. You're improving , removing the plaque

15:13

, you're taking care of your gums and if you're

15:15

doing that , you're maintaining the

15:17

health status of your teeth very nicely

15:20

. So tissue health , gum

15:22

health , is important for maintaining

15:24

your existing teeth , and if you've had orthodontics

15:27

, you're probably a little better at taking care

15:29

of your teeth . I don't know if there's a strong correlation

15:31

between that and needing implants

15:33

later . I'd say that really

15:35

hasn't been studied .

15:37

It's for me to definitively answer that . What's

15:39

the most common questions

15:41

that people ask ? Would ask you , as an

15:43

orthodontist , at the first exam

15:45

.

15:46

A 12-year-old in the chair will ask

15:48

me different questions and an adult in the chair

15:50

understands . The 12-year-old

15:52

will ask me is this going to hurt ? And

15:55

I will tell them Well , if your teeth are going to

15:57

straighten , expect them to be sore some days

15:59

not every day , because you're going to have them

16:01

on two years . Your teeth aren't going to hurt

16:03

every day , but they'll hurt a little after each adjustment

16:06

and then it gets better as the days

16:08

go on and then you don't feel them anymore . An

16:10

adult , my experience they're

16:13

going to feel the discomfort a little longer

16:15

than a 12-year-old . Another common

16:17

question is how much does it cost ? And

16:19

I think we answered that there . And then

16:21

how long will it take ? It really depends

16:23

is . The third question is how long will it take

16:26

? And it really depends on what

16:28

you're getting corrected . I've had patients

16:30

in treatment for three years . I've had patients

16:32

in treatment for six months . Really depends on

16:34

what we're correcting .

16:36

What would be a six-month treatment ?

16:37

Most typical six-month treatment is somebody that had

16:39

orthodontics before and

16:41

they had some shifting that they

16:44

didn't wear their retainers . So

16:47

one tooth moved out , another one twisted

16:49

back and they want to get them back in alignment

16:51

. So it's not all the teeth are being treated

16:53

.

16:54

Okay , so specific cases Is

16:56

there anything unique about the practice

16:59

of orthodontic dentistry ?

17:01

Compared to general dentistry , orthodontics

17:03

, in terms of the doctor-patient relationship

17:06

, it's a much closer relationship

17:08

for a shorter period of time . You

17:10

know , for example , patients that have a

17:12

dentist and see their hygienist , let's

17:15

say , every four to six months .

17:17

Orthodontists you're going to see . I've seen a dentist

17:19

only once a year .

17:20

There you go when you see an orthodontist

17:22

. You'd see me every six weeks and

17:25

I'd be interacting with you . I'd be checking

17:27

your hygiene . I'd be checking how you're

17:29

wearing your rubber bands . We talk about

17:31

what you're doing at school . How's

17:33

the new job working out ? Oh , you're in that

17:35

sport now . So we develop a really

17:37

close relationship for a

17:39

short , let's say a two-year period

17:41

of time . Maybe that's why a lot of people

17:43

who apply to dental school and I've sat

17:46

on interview boards people almost

17:48

always say I want to be a dentist because

17:50

I loved my orthodontist . Maybe

17:53

that strong relationship developed there and

17:55

it never really ended . They really

17:57

viewed that very favorably .

18:00

Yeah , it makes a big difference If you only see the

18:02

real dentist once a year when there's a look

18:04

on an X-rays , but an orthodontist

18:06

you'd see them every time you had an appointment

18:08

. Is there anything else that you

18:11

think you need to share with our listeners about

18:13

orthodontist or dentistry ?

18:15

I think orthodontics has a wonderful

18:17

history of helping people

18:19

develop , strengthen

18:21

their personal appearance and feel better

18:23

about themselves . Most adults who

18:26

actually an AEO survey showed

18:28

most adults 75% that they surveyed

18:31

felt better in their personal relationships

18:33

and even professional work after

18:35

having orthodontic treatment . And 92%

18:37

of those same people said , yes , I would recommend

18:40

treatment for others who haven't had it done yet

18:42

. I think that's

18:44

a strong statement about the

18:46

personal benefits you can have from treatment .

18:49

And if our listeners wanted to actually

18:51

read your book , how would they do that

18:54

?

18:54

My book is available on Amazon and

18:57

you can log on and get either a e-book

19:00

copy of it or a paperback copy

19:02

. And the name that they should look for on Amazon

19:04

is it's called Crooked to Straight

19:06

and it's your guidebook to your best

19:08

smile , and it's also available . You

19:10

can have a website crooked to straight bookcom

19:13

. You can order it from there . You can find out

19:16

more about me and the book and a few

19:18

highlights and some testimonials about the

19:20

book there , if you go to my website .

19:22

And when did the book come out ?

19:24

August 29th last year .

19:25

So new enough for you to remember the exact date Exactly

19:28

. Is it fair to ask you how many copies

19:30

approximately have been sold so far ?

19:33

I don't really know how many have been sold so far . How

19:35

could that be ? I don't .

19:36

You don't keep track of that .

19:37

I don't .

19:38

Okay , so

19:40

the book that you have written should be in

19:42

every orthodontist's office

19:45

in the country and they should be giving

19:47

it to every prospective new

19:49

patient .

19:50

I agree with you on that . Now there are

19:52

orthodontists who are kind of persnickety . I'll

19:54

include myself in it . I have a certain

19:56

way of approaching things . I understand

19:58

I may not want someone else's perspective

20:01

, even though I feel it's a very acceptable

20:03

perspective and very helpful . I will

20:05

say also that school nurses

20:07

who have children in school

20:09

, who are interested hygienists who work

20:11

for General Dennis the one you

20:14

see once a year those are the same

20:16

people who will get questions about how

20:18

do I straighten my teeth , how do I fix this , and

20:20

that book can be a great resource to answer

20:22

questions . Maybe save them a little time .

20:24

Great , thank you Great . Let me throw

20:26

one other question at you , a marketing

20:28

question about your book . How many free copies

20:31

of your book have you given out ?

20:32

Free copies of my book . This is

20:34

a guess .

20:37

Okay .

20:38

So I'm going to say about 12 .

20:40

I'll just share an experience that my daughter's had . She

20:42

wrote a book about psychologically

20:44

taking care of yourself .

20:46

What's it called ?

20:47

So the name of my daughter's book is Show Up For

20:49

Yourself . As you can see , it's kind of a heavyweight

20:52

book with about 300 pages .

20:54

Yes .

20:55

And she followed some good advice . Every

20:57

week or every other week , she would have a free

20:59

giveaway of the Kindle copy of the

21:01

book .

21:02

Oh , okay .

21:03

And what happened was , as the Kindle

21:05

copies were being taken for free

21:07

, the number of paid copies on paper

21:10

went up , and it continues to be

21:12

a bestselling book in her category

21:14

.

21:14

Terrific .

21:16

Okay .

21:16

So thank you for that tip .

21:19

For our other authors out there . Yes

21:21

, If you have a Kindle copy of your

21:23

book , you should be giving away some

21:25

copies of it or giving away at a reduced price

21:28

. You can have a sale on the Kindle version

21:30

for a week . And but then she did

21:32

promote the book . She took individual

21:34

pages of the book and she would she's

21:36

still doing this . She randomly opened the

21:39

page , read it and turned it into a Facebook

21:41

post , which was a very nice

21:43

marketing idea .

21:44

Well , I did do something like that

21:46

for people who I

21:48

knew Thank you for letting me take a

21:50

look and I shared the first chapter with so

21:53

they can give me some feedback and

21:55

on their review , they can provide

21:57

a little more informed review there . And

21:59

that worked out very well . I got some nice reviews from

22:02

them .

22:02

Yeah , one of the ways that we grow the podcast

22:04

is every podcast I create a

22:07

soundbite which is a 30

22:09

to 60 second piece of the podcast

22:11

that I put out there and post on social media

22:13

so people can find it . That's why the

22:16

podcast this podcast is now heard

22:18

in 18 different countries which

22:20

is a very that's impressive .

22:21

That's quite a breach .

22:23

Well , you never know .

22:24

Right right .

22:25

The search engines in China find you

22:27

even if you're in English . Stephanie , I want

22:29

to thank you for being on the show . Anything else

22:31

you want to add for our listeners ?

22:32

Well , I want to . I thank you , mike , for having me on the

22:34

show and I wish everyone well and

22:36

in whatever their choices are

22:39

, in improving their smile . Having a healthy

22:41

smile is very beneficial to your

22:43

overall health .

22:44

Great , want to start a club in The Villages is the healthy

22:46

smile club .

22:47

Sounds good .

22:48

Okay . Thank you Stephanie , thank you Mike .

22:50

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