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This is Mike Roth on Open Forum in the Villages

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. Welcome to season number five . I'm here

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today with Dr William Shang . I have two books

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right , we hope .

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What's the name of the second book ? The second book

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? It has this title called the Thin Prediabetic

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, which I wish I probably should rewrite

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the contents then , because I was thinking

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about somebody who has

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a high glucose level and

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they go to their doctor and

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the doctor would say , well , I can put you on metformin

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or you can lose weight . Oh , you don't

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need to lose weight . Then what can they do

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? But most of the book actually has to do with these

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plants and other

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supplements that might work .

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Mm-hmm , and is the easiest

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way to find it , by saying prediabetic

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.

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Oh , the thin Pre-diabetic , "The Thin

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Pre-diabetic .

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Mm-hmm . Are there any other plant-based

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herbals that you mentioned in the book that are

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of significance ?

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Absolutely . Let's talk about fiber . Okay

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, silium husk , silium husk that's

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one type of fiber . What is

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interesting is that there's different types

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of fiber . There's three different subcategories

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of fiber .

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Three different subcategories .

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Right . So in other words , the one that comes

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to mind is soluble , in other words

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, it dissolves in water .

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Mm-hmm Okay .

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Another one is it forms mucus

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, mm-hmm . Okay . And the third

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one is that it's edible

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by our bacteria , in other words , our bacteria

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will digest it . And those three

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categories .

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Yeah .

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Those three categories will help you figure

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out which fiber is best for you . So how

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would you do that ? How would you do that ? These studies

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have been done . It's just not

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. This is actually an American study . It was done

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by a cereal company .

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Mm-hmm .

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And they wanted to see

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whether certain cereals

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increased GLP1 . This is the

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weight loss drugs we're talking about , right ? So GLP1

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is the one that , like Wigovi

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and Ozempic and all

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these super expensive drugs $1,000

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a month . That's right .

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Quite a disincentive for most people not

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to take it Right .

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So this cereal company , the original

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research and said what cereals can

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we eat that will increase GLP1

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? Great , and one of them

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that was well studied is

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whole barley . Whole barley , yeah

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, really yeah .

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So you don't see that around too often .

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No , you don't see it too often . You

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can order it on the internet

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. Mm-hmm , whole barley

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will decrease blood sugar

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. And it will also decrease triglycerides

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and LDL .

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Mm-hmm . So someone who eats more

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barley is likely to lose some weight

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.

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Absolutely Okay , especially

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if you substitute that for rice

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or starch . So , in other

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words , let me back up a little bit . Years ago

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there was a study that was done .

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You know that they did the bypass , the

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stomach bypass surgery In which , oh

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yeah , there was a lot of them , and when it first came out , one

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of my clients , whose dad

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was a doctor , was making some tremendous

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claims that it would reverse diabetes

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if you had the stomach bypass .

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Yeah , it was well . Those surgeons

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are really hurting nowadays . It's

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going to be what ? Oh , so let me

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, so I'll tell you the story . So , basically

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, what they do is they take the outlet of the stomach

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in one of these type surgeries and they

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reroute it downstream in the intestines

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.

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Mm-hmm .

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So the outflow from

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the stomach doesn't go to the duodenum , it goes a

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little further downstream . Now , what was really

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interesting about this study is that the

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blood glucose improved before

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the person lost weight , and so it

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was like how is this possible ? They're supposed to lose weight

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first and then blood glucose improves , right

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? But all we did was rerouted

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the plumbing as the blood glucose improved

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, and that was

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the impetus to discover GLP1

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. What was happening was when we eat

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highly processed food , it gets absorbed

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by the body very quickly . Now , as you know , our intestines

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is very , very long .

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Yeah .

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That's because we're eating . Our

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ancestors ate this diet , which was a

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lot of roughage and it took a long time

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to digest . What's happening is that

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when we eat highly processed food , it gets absorbed

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upstream quickly . All

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the digestion that's supposed to happen

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for the entire length is getting very

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much shortened , and so our body

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is not producing that much GLP1 . So when

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they rerouted the intestines , what happened

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was that segment , in conjunction with the

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bacteria of that neighborhood , was cranking out

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the GLP1 . And therefore they

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were improving their blood sugar and they

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were losing weight .

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That makes a strange recommendation

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for a certain operation .

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Right . But the good news is

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that you can do the same thing . You can

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raise your GLP1 levels by substituting

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cold barley or , if

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you like , if you can only get your hands on the cold barley

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for the standard starches , how much

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, how much ? So the studies were done

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with half a cup of cooked

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barley with the meals .

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Once a day .

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So if you had lunch and dinner , for example

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, you take a half cup of this cooked

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barley before you eat lunch and same with

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dinner . Oh , that's interesting . Are you doing that ?

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personally , I don't eat rice because

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you said barley is a substitute for rice

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, that's right , so I

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substitute barley for rice .

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I don't eat rice , okay .

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Well , if I went to my nearest Chinese restaurant

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and said , hey , hold the fried rice , give

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me a cup of barley instead , they're going to look at

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me like I'm nuts , right .

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Do you know where the fastest growing diabetes

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population is in the world ?

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You're going to say China .

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It is China , really , yeah , it's

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because it wasn't that long ago . It was

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two generations ago that people started

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eating processed rice before they

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ate brown rice or minimally processed

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rice , because they didn't have the machinery to do it . It's

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the processing that removes the husk

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that makes it diabetic

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or causing diabetes . The white rice , the

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white rice , it's just like processed

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white flour versus eating

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whole grain .

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Okay , when you talked about the cereal companies

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trying to create a healthy

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cereal , I thought for sure you were going to talk

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about oats . There

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are so many cereal companies promoting

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oats in their cereal or

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Quaker oats . Not that there's anything wrong with

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Quaker oats Even I have a

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bowl of that once a week or so but

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does oats really work as a dietary

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supplement ?

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They do . Actually , I'm glad you brought that up

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. Oat bran is in

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the same category as

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barley Barley bran . They

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have all three characteristics they're soluble

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, they produce mucus and

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they're fermentable . They're digestible

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by the bacteria , and so those

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two particular

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, I think , are something that your audience

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might want to think about . Let

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me just add a caveat

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to that it's not instant oatmeal , okay

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.

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So quick erodes the traditional , old-fashioned

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one that you have to cook up in a pot for

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20 minutes . You can microwave it for

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three , but yeah , okay , my wife

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doesn't particularly , she

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wants it in a pot . Is there a difference between

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that from a health perspective and

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the steel cut oatmeal ?

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It's the degree of tumbling

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and processing . I

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think that you can get most of

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the way there with steel cut or

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old-fashioned .

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Just the instant has just

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been cooked already and

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so it's hard to find , especially

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the instant without flavor and

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so you're saying it's either the steel

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cut or the traditional oatmeal

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Right

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and other cereals that I've added to

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them are good .

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Depends . It mainly has to do with

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how highly processed it

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is and whether there's added sugar . The

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World Health Organization came out with a

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sugar recommendation of 30 grams

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. 30 grams a day , it's

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very low .

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So 30 grams would be how much of a teaspoon .

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I believe one teaspoon is four grams , so it's seven

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teaspoons If I'm not mistaken . I

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probably need to double check that .

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Okay , so in medieval Europe

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or England , they said they

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had equal to one tablespoon

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of sugar per day .

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Let me put it this way If you have one can of coke

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, you're done .

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You're done for the day . That's how much sugar it is . I don't

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drink coke anymore , so I guess I'm okay .

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Good for you . I

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think for many people getting rid of the

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sugar in the drink or something sweet in the drink is

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very , very hard . And

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what happens with sugar

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and those type of sugary foods is

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that you get this kind of

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rebound effect . That right , it goes

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up and down and that .

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I was going to say high and then crash

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. That's right , that's what happens to

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me .

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Right , there's a term . It's called "Hangry

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. Have you heard about that Hangry ? No

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, it's hungry and angry at the same time

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.

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And that's what happens when you're out of sugar

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.

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That's right . We need another hit , that's right

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.

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Give me a candy ball . I can

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appreciate that . I've walked through airports

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and stopped at the candy counter and picked up

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a Hershey's or an Amonjoy . It calmed

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me down a lot . So before we

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go , Dr Shang , are

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there any less pieces of information

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that you think our listeners should have ?

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Let's see . We talked about fiber . I'll

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leave you with this . This is an interesting story

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. When I went to medical school , there

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was a group of Indians in Arizona that called the

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Pima Indians , and the Pima Indians

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were said to have the highest genetic

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level of type 2 diabetes in the world

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. It's about 30% . Wow , and

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we were taught that it was genetic .

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Okay .

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So now that I don't have to necessarily

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believe everything , I'm told I couldn't research

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this and it turns out that the Pima

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Indians , when they had

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the settlers move into the area , the settlers diverted

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the Gila River .

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And the .

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Pima Indians had to change their lifestyle . They were

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normally eating corn , squash beans

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. Then they nearly starved

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to death until the US government came in and said well

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, don't worry , we'll save you by giving you this

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food . And it was all pre-processed food . And

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so the Pima Indians no

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longer farmed , they no longer had the daily glers

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, and they eat this .

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They lost the exercise component .

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They lost the exercise component and they got all this

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food that was packaged that

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would last for a long period of time , and so

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they had this very high level of diabetes

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by the 1930s . What subsequently

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was found is that there's another tribe

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, the Pima Indians , except they're not American

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, they're Mexican Indian . Okay , genetically

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the same .

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Okay .

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Except they didn't have that

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unfortunate set of events happen to them .

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So they didn't get the processed food .

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That's right . They didn't get the processed food , they kept their lifestyle

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, and their diabetes is

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a fraction , it's about 5% , not 30%

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, and so I think that's

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what I want to leave with your listeners is

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that there are things that you can do . It's

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lifestyle dependent , it's exercise

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dependent . These are things that , in your power to

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change at the most basic level

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, that will do much more for you than medication

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. And now we're in

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a stage in our lives we're in control over

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our time , we can control our

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destiny , as it were , and

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there's no other better time in our life we don't

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have to punch a clock .

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I appreciate that and again , titles

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.

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The two books that are available on Amazon are

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oh , the first program fight

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insulin resistance with strange training . And

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the second is the thin pre-diabetic .

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The thin pre-diabetic

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that's available on Amazon . All right , thank

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you very much , dr Shen for being with us .

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Thank you for having me .

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And let's take a quick break here and listen

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to a Alzheimer's tip from Dr Craig

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Curtis . Dr Curtis , I've heard that

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exercise can help your

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brain . What type of exercises should people

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be doing ?

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Well , the good news is it doesn't

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take a lot of heavy exercise to

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make the brain healthier . Right now , the US

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government recommends approximately

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150 minutes per

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week . So 30 minutes , five

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days a week , of a moderate intensity

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exercise such as walking . So something

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as simple as walking 30 minutes a

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day , five days a week , can improve

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