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I'm

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Oprah Winfrey. Welcome to Super

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Soul Conversations, The podcast.

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I believe that one of the most valuable gifts

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you can give yourself is

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time. Taking time

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to be more fully present. Your

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journey to become more inspired

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and connected to the deeper

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world around us starts

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right now.

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Today,

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I sit down with former actress and

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now activist and authors Susie

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Amos Cameron. We're hanging out in

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one of my favorite places on Earth, my vegetable

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garden in Maui. Long before she

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became an environmental advocate, Susie

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was discovered while living on her family farm

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in Oklahoma. At just seventeen, she

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signed contract to be an Aileen Ford

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model in New York. Then Hollywood

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came calling. Susie appeared in

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Bandango with Kevin Coster, the

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usual suspects, and the worldwide

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phenomenon, Titanic. She

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fell in love with and married the film's

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director James Cameron nineteen

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years ago. Susie left acting

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to focus on her family and raising

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the couple's five children. Now

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she is a champion for what she calls

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sustainable values. From

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the clothes we wear, to the food we

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eat and even how we educate our

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children. Susie and her

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sister Rebecca founded Muse, the

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first school in the United States,

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to be one hundred percent solar

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powered with zero waste and

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an organic plant based lunch

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program for every student.

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In her new book, the

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0MD plan, Susie

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challenges readers to eat at least

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one plant based meal a day.

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SHE SAYS THIS ONE SMALL SHIFT

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COULD LITERALLY CHANGE

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OUR WORLD. YOU

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GIVE ME A WONDERFUL EXCUSE. I

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AM to Hawaii. bubbling.

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May I say, I see you, which

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is one of my favorite expressions from your

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husband's James Cameron, avatar.

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Yes. I think it's one of the most beautifully

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spiritual greetings you can give to

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person as I see you.

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I agree. Yes. So I see

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you. And I'm glad to see you. Yeah.

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Me too. I see you too. I think it's

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incredible that you

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and I both grew up on a you

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grew up in a farm in Oklahoma. I did. I

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grew up on a tiny

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little piece of a farm

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that my grandmother had in Mississippi.

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And now we're both back to farming.

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Right? Yeah. Yeah. Completely. Well,

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so welcome to my garden. Thanks.

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Amazing. Amazing. It's

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good. It's good to be here.

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And I was impressed so impressed

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with this idea one

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meal a day to save your health

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and save the planet. reason why I wanted

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to talk to you because I thought for

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so many people, the idea of, like,

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changing your entire lifestyle and

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you know, becoming a vegan or becoming

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vegetarian is overwhelming. Yeah.

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And people just shut down. But

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what we can do is 0MD

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Right? 0MD1

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meal a day. So

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you and James and your family were

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doing the thing that so many of us are are

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doing like eating organic, healthy,

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making sure

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your beep was grass fed and your

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chickens are happy when they're laying. those

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eggs. Exactly.

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And feeling good about your

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contribution to the planet and what

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you were doing? Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, we had been

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running in environmental circles for ever.

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It felt like decades. And,

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yeah, we were eating everything organic. We

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even had our own goats up on the ranch

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in in Santa Barbara. So we had

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goat yogurt and goat cheese and goat milk,

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and we just thought we were doing everything completely

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right. And then we watched forks

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over knives. And when was that two thousand?

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Two thousand twelve. Twelve.

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Twelve. So it's been seven years. Yes.

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And it completely changed

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our life. I mean, after we

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watched it, I I was actually at

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home and a friend had told me about

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it. if somebody tells me to read a book -- Yeah.

3:57

-- or watch a do you know that? Yeah.

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So if

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I told you to read a book and you had, like, read

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it, you are

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the greatest reward to a book lover because

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I told you to read

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a new earth. And then in, like, a week,

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you're like, I read it and I did I've read

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it and given out multiple copies already.

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I was listening to the podcast actually as I

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was flying over. Amazing. Yeah.

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The podcast is good. Amazing. Anyway,

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I had had forks over knives for probably

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about nine months, and I finally grabbed it,

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went down to the gym, and was

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on the treadmill. And after about ten minutes,

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I just I had to get off and sit

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down. I was so I

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felt gut punched because I felt like

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we had been advertised to our whole

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lives that we absolutely have

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to have meat to be healthy and

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had to have milk for strong bones.

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I mean, growing up, my mom was

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can't you girls drink? Yes.

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Absolutely. You girls drink your milk. I think

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you're gonna be the hunchback of Notre Dame if

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you don't. Exactly. Exactly. Anyway,

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it I I actually took the DVD. I went

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up to the house and I I found Jim and

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I said, babe, I need an hour

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and a half of your time tomorrow. And

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he was like, oh, okay. Where are we going? And I

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said, we're not gonna go anywhere. We're gonna watch

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a movie. And he said, oh, well, I

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love movies. When do we get a watch? Yeah. And I said,

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I'm not gonna tell you I just wanna watch it,

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and then we'll have a conversation about

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it. And we watched the whole

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thing. And from the time we were in the TV room to

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the kitchen, he said we shouldn't have any

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more animal products. So twenty four hours

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later, the kitchen was out.

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but that's just how we roll. Yeah. I

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was in that is a response. Not

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very many people roll out.

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Like you've now cleaned out all of the meat

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products. Things out. meat dairy,

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everything,

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everything that had What happened to your goats?

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That we're making the nice -- Well,

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geez. -- about forty eight hours later.

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We shut down the production, but we

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kept the goats -- Yeah. -- because they're super cute,

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and they're good for fire abatement. Yeah.

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So eating all the stuff.

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Yeah.

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Exactly. So we did that. So you became

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completely plant based -- Exactly. --

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in a day and born again about it.

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Yeah. So we were up on our soapbox constantly

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telling people, you just have to do it. Go a

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hundred percent. Yeah. And people would see

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us coming. They turn around and Absolutely.

6:06

Oh my god. You're on

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the camera? Exactly. Yes.

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So I read that since the

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seven years where

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you all completely removed all the animal

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products from your home that you nor

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Jim have had a cold or flu

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since that time. Right? No.

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Yeah. And you attribute that to --

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Absolutely. -- this change in lifestyle. That's

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fine. used to get, you know, three or four colds

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a year. He'd always get the flu. And,

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you know, when you're in a household of kids, they

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are the perfect Viroir vectors.

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So you're always picking up something.

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from them. Uh-huh. And we

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just stay healthy. I mean, it's my

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teenagers. They can't keep up How

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old

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are the children? You're raising five children. I

6:46

mean, Taylor and Quinn, Elizabeth Rose, Jasper,

6:48

Josephine.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So Jasper

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is twenty nine and

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expecting his first baby

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Oh, wow. So I'm gonna be a grandma in August.

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I'm Natalie Crochet, my my blanket.

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With Josephina's twenty six, we call

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her Joseph. We have

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Claire

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who is eighteen and

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Quinn is fifteen and Rose is

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twelve and a half. Wow. Yeah.

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So I think a lot of people, especially

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parents, can relate to what

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you write about being busy and feeling overwhelmed.

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YOU'RE RIGHT, I KNOW HOW HEARD IT CAN BE TO GET

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THROUGH THE DAY. HURDHLING FROM ONE

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MEETING, DEADLINE, ORTHODOMIST, APPOINTMENT,

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PARENT, TEACHER CONFERENT, Aaron, after school

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activity to another. I know how

7:32

many competing demands we have in our

7:34

lives. Each one battling the other

7:36

for our time. Yeah. Am I speaking your

7:38

language? folks, our attention,

7:41

our energy,

7:41

sometimes simply getting through

7:43

the day feels like a herculean

7:45

task. And whether we're parents or not,

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we all take care of so

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many people and problems all the time.

7:52

Keeping one more consideration onto our

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shoulders may just be too much.

7:56

Oh,

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Great. Now I have to take care of the planet

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too, you say, especially

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when it just seems so huge

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and unsolvable. So for everyone

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watching who says, you know, sometimes

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it's hard to even get through the day

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and going through drive through just helps

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you? What do you want to say to them?

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him

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I hear you. I

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hear you and I see you. Oh. I

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too. I mean, it's it's I

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didn't really start going

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to health food stores until it

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was right before I got pregnant. Mhmm.

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and my sister-in-law at the

8:33

time took me into missus Goaches,

8:35

which was the health food store in California. Oh,

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I remember missus goaches. The

8:40

best. Yeah. I remember missus Goaches.

8:42

Yeah. It was the best. And

8:44

anyway, I went in there and she started

8:46

talking to me not only about eating organic

8:48

foods, but in the lotions I was

8:50

putting on my body and and

8:52

everything. them. Yes. Everything. Yeah.

8:54

So my whole my whole

8:56

kitchen and household, you know, everything

8:58

under my sink and in my shower

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and everything and fridge, everything

9:02

changed from that moment on.

9:05

And when I got

9:07

pregnant. Obviously, I was just, like,

9:09

ridiculously careful about everything I was

9:11

putting, you know, growing this little

9:13

person, this little being. Mhmm.

9:15

And then when I had Jasper,

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you you have this thing and I'm sure

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all moms feel this. You don't

9:23

want anything that's not

9:25

pure touching this

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brand new little being.

9:29

Yeah. You know? So it just took because

9:31

it's so pure. You just wanna keep

9:33

it clean. Exactly. You wanna keep everything that

9:35

they're eating clean. You want it clean?

9:36

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So it just took it to

9:39

a whole another level. And then

9:41

when he started eating

9:42

food and and, you know,

9:45

I

9:45

just was I I was

9:47

so careful with how

9:49

I fed him and how I introduced him the veggies.

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You know, I I do hear a lot of moms

9:54

saying, well, my kids will only eat

9:56

pizza and donuts. Mhmm. I was like, well,

9:58

what do you feed them? Pizza? No.

10:00

Yeah. But if you start with

10:02

I mean, I think that's a big thing. It's like, how

10:04

do you get your kids to eat veggies?

10:06

I was always doing, you know, these big

10:08

plates with, like, three different dipping

10:10

sauces or Jen

10:12

Jasper actually loves salads. But if you start

10:14

them on that when they're really young.

10:17

And you give them fun utensils. You can

10:19

give them chopsticks or,

10:21

you know, fun little cocktail

10:23

pick Yes. I see it with yeah. Yeah. Things

10:26

like that. And strawberry

10:27

is a big dessert. Yes. A strawberry

10:29

is to get a strawberry is a big

10:31

dessert. So one

10:34

plant based meal a day

10:37

does what to help change the

10:39

planet.

10:40

Changing one of your meals

10:42

a day to a plant based

10:44

meal saves two hundred thousand

10:46

gallons of water and the carbon

10:48

equivalent of driving from Los

10:50

Angeles to New York. That's one

10:52

person. So think about multiplying

10:54

that. Nobody

10:55

just did that. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly.

10:58

And you're saying you're

10:59

not even trying to convert the whole world. You're just

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saying start with the one

11:02

meal. Exactly. You mentioned one

11:05

time that it was graspable. Yes. Yeah.

11:08

And and it is. I mean, that's the

11:10

feedback that I'm Well,

11:10

that's why we're having this conversation

11:12

because that is basketball. My

11:15

mind can hold that I can receive

11:17

that. That's a doable thing. I

11:18

can turn that into a fun exercise

11:21

for yourself --

11:23

Yeah. -- one meal a day. It's it's

11:25

a really easy mean, it's something as

11:27

simple as putting almond

11:29

milk or soy milk on your cereal in the

11:31

morning instead of cow's milk. We're having

11:34

a a grilled bean and

11:36

veggie burrito -- Mhmm. -- instead of a

11:38

beef burrito or, you know, having

11:40

tomato sauce on your pasta instead of meat sauce

11:42

or using the, you know, the beyond

11:44

crumbles. Yes. Or amazing. People

11:46

can't tell the difference. They can't tell difference. They

11:48

can't tell the difference or the Beyond Meat. Yes. Exactly.

11:52

Before we went plant

11:54

based. I was working

11:56

at a very probably

11:58

the largest

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environmental NGO in the US.

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and learned all about, you

12:05

know, the environmental issues, climate

12:07

change, dead zones,

12:09

biodiversity loss, deforestation,

12:12

melting glaciers, extinction, all

12:14

of these things. And

12:16

I would drive home from these meetings just

12:20

depressed and full

12:22

of

12:22

no

12:24

hope.

12:26

Really no hope. because

12:28

I didn't there wasn't I'm gonna start

12:31

crying. There wasn't an answer.

12:33

Yeah. There didn't seem to be a

12:35

solution. that especially one

12:37

person could do, you know, you can

12:39

we talked about renewable energies and

12:41

we talked about all of those things.

12:44

And I'd come home and kind of gather myself

12:46

up and walk through the door and be the cheerleader.

12:49

Like, we're gonna get it all cleaned up and

12:51

it's gonna be okay and you know,

12:53

Jim was like, it's

12:53

not gonna happen. It's not

12:55

gonna happen. And I

12:57

used to wake up with dread every

13:00

morning because I would think about

13:02

not only are children growing up in the

13:04

world, but all of the children of the

13:06

world, and what kind of a planet

13:08

were they going to grow

13:10

up on? And It

13:12

wasn't long after we went plant based

13:14

that Jim actually started educating

13:17

me on the environmental issues

13:19

around animal agriculture. And

13:21

there was one day where I was in

13:23

one of these meetings, and I just had this,

13:25

like, aha

13:26

moment -- Yeah. --

13:28

because animal ag is second leading cause

13:30

of greenhouse gases and climate

13:32

change. But more than all transportation

13:34

combined, every car, every airplane,

13:36

every bus, everything. So,

13:39

fall of fifteen. Explain how

13:41

that works to people who don't get that.

13:44

Okay. Well, the the methane

13:46

alone and people like to, you

13:48

know, because farts are funny. Yeah.

13:50

But it isn't that. Actually, it

13:52

actually comes from the respiration. So

13:55

the methane is coming from the aspiration

13:57

is a huge thing in the amount of

13:59

water and feed or

14:01

grass or whatever it is that that it

14:03

takes to grow an animal.

14:06

is enormous. So, I

14:08

mean, just with the environmental

14:11

issues around animal agriculture, you

14:13

can actually connect the dots back

14:16

to dead zones,

14:18

biodiversity loss, deforestation,

14:20

ocean acidification, I mean, all of

14:22

these different things. and

14:25

we were walking on the

14:27

beach about a two

14:29

months after we went plant based.

14:30

And you know,

14:33

Jim. I mean, he's kind of a

14:35

doomsday kind of guy. Where did he look at

14:37

his movies? You

14:39

know, he's, like, Terminator and yeah.

14:41

and aliens, an avatar, and

14:43

Titanic. It's like deaf and destruction.

14:46

He doesn't use the word hope.

14:48

When we first started dating, He talked

14:50

about the fact that because I don't use hope.

14:52

I don't say hope. He's got a t shirt

14:54

that says hope is not a strategy.

14:56

Yeah. Where is it? Well, that is true.

14:58

It's not. So we were walking on the

15:00

beach. And he turned him and he

15:02

said, you know babe? For the

15:04

first time in my life, I

15:06

have hope.

15:09

And I'd almost fell into the circle.

15:12

He said the more

15:14

people we can inspire. Oh,

15:16

to eat plant based, the more

15:18

we can move the needle on climate

15:20

change. And it was in

15:22

that moment that I thought, you know

15:24

what? That's

15:27

that's what And that's what you're doing

15:29

right now.

15:30

That's what I'm doing. And I wanted to write a book

15:32

and create content and do documentaries

15:34

and and all of that. So it it

15:36

is that moment, I'm just getting

15:38

goosebumps. Mhmm. But that moment really

15:40

led me to to

15:42

exactly what I'm doing now.

15:44

Wow. At

15:46

the school that I found a new

15:48

school with my sister Rebecca Amos,

15:51

which is out in California, after

15:53

we learned about the environmental devastation

15:56

that animal agriculture causes on the

15:58

environment, we actually

16:00

looked at each other and said, we can't call ourselves

16:02

an environmental school and still

16:04

be serving animal

16:05

products. We

16:07

recycled and redid use we

16:09

we use the compost. We

16:12

reserve

16:13

water. We use

16:15

solar panels. We use not feel

16:17

light. This school is absolutely a

16:19

school of the future. I feel like we are light

16:21

years ahead of the rest of the

16:23

schools around here. The kindergarten nurs are not

16:25

just learning their ABCs and how to

16:27

write, but they're also learning about how to save

16:29

the planet and what we can do to help make a

16:31

difference. Every time you eat plant

16:33

based. You cut your water footprint

16:35

and your carbon

16:38

footprint in half. We

16:40

save

16:40

nine thousand sixty

16:43

six gallons of water

16:45

for one day. A few

16:46

years back,school decided to go

16:49

plant based. And really, I mean, we're

16:51

doing it for many different reasons, primarily

16:53

for environmental reasons to reduce the

16:55

carbon footprint of each of the

16:57

students and faculty that work here at

16:59

Muse. basically to help nurture the

17:01

earth as well as the

17:03

person who's practicing the one meal

17:05

a day diet. I wanna

17:07

talk more if we can about the school Muse.

17:09

It's called the Muse School,

17:12

MUSE Muse, as in URMA

17:14

Muse, the very first K through twelve schools of the country

17:16

to be one hundred percent

17:19

solar powered.

17:20

Zero waste with a one hundred

17:23

percent

17:23

organic plant based lunch

17:26

program. You are leading the way. And

17:28

also now, trying to get

17:29

parents on board with their kids to

17:32

eat well in other parts of the country

17:34

and you're gonna be building more schools.

17:37

Yes. Yeah. So we actually launched

17:39

News Global last night.

17:41

Was that hard at first? Because I'm

17:43

sure all of those parents grew

17:45

up with doctrine, we've

17:45

gotta have our milk. Oh,

17:48

absolutely.

17:48

Absolutely. Yes. Well,

17:51

that's actually where OMD

17:53

was born. So When

17:55

we decided to go plant based, we took

17:57

eighteen months and

17:59

we brought

17:59

in doctors and climate

18:02

scientist and authors and chefs and

18:05

athletes to spend the day with the

18:07

children going into each room, speaking to

18:09

them in a developmentally appropriate

18:11

way, And then at nighttime, we

18:13

had all the grown ups together, gave them

18:15

beautiful plant based food and glass of wine, and,

18:17

you know, we'd have this speaker series.

18:20

introduced

18:20

them to it in a way that

18:21

they could receive it. It's about

18:24

education, wasn't anything to to let

18:26

them understand that it's

18:28

you know, that you it's information and it's educating

18:30

in a way that people know

18:32

that it doesn't mean I have to be punished.

18:35

Right. Yes. Right. And that you're getting

18:37

the right nutrients and

18:39

amounts of protein and calcium and

18:41

all of those essential fatty acids, all

18:43

of those things. So we

18:45

did that and we thought, you know,

18:48

we

18:49

had

18:51

committees, we had food committees with the children,

18:53

we had food committees with

18:55

parents and with the teachers and

18:58

had screenings of all of, you

19:00

know, Forbes overnights and all

19:02

of that. And we went one

19:04

hundred percent plant based in

19:06

the fall of twenty fifteen, and

19:08

we lost fifty percent

19:09

of our families. Really? Yeah.

19:11

It was it was a

19:11

mass exodus. We quickly

19:14

regained our enrollment and we've

19:16

since surpassed it. We started two years old and

19:18

go all the way. to

19:21

eighteen. But people now

19:23

come they've they move from around the

19:25

United States just to come to

19:27

school because it's plant based. and we have

19:29

a couple of families from

19:31

Europe now. But

19:31

you had some people leave, you know,

19:33

almost fifty percent because they think this is too cookie for

19:35

us or this

19:36

is too much they did. I mean, I, you know,

19:38

I think we were somewhat ahead

19:40

of our time -- Yeah. -- because now

19:42

it is becoming

19:43

very, very mainstream and people

19:45

are realizing it. So, this is the

19:47

kind of school you dream of. We

19:50

began news with the belief that true learning

19:52

is possible when children are permitted to engage

19:54

in their passions. We articulated a

19:56

mission inspiring and preparing

19:58

young people to live

19:59

consciously with themselves.

20:02

One another and the planet

20:05

with a focus on a sustainable campus.

20:07

We knew we needed to go one hundred percent plant

20:09

based to truly model a one hundred

20:12

percent sustainable an

20:14

environmentally focused school.

20:16

And while we'd always thought we were serving

20:18

these kids the best possible food, we now

20:20

realized we were unintentionally poisoning

20:23

them and the So know what impact

20:25

does a plant based model had on the

20:27

students? They all

20:28

know why they're

20:31

eating plant

20:32

based foods every single day.

20:34

They even have these little

20:37

competitions between the classes of how much

20:39

water they're saving. and how much carbon

20:41

they're saving. And they'll even you

20:43

know, what's really great is they end up

20:45

going home and infecting

20:47

their parents. we get

20:49

calls from their parents saying, you know, I need

20:51

recipes, how do we compost? We

20:53

want to put in a garden. So just

20:55

talk to kids how to grow their own food. one

20:57

of the things you say in OMD,

20:59

the OMD plan is that you've affected the

21:01

kids on a soul level. They've accepted this

21:03

on a soul level. What does that mean?

21:05

They have because us grown ups, you

21:08

know, when we are doing

21:10

good things for the environment. Yeah. You know,

21:12

we pat ourselves on the back because

21:15

we're driving a hybrid or an electric car,

21:17

because we're cycling, because we're changing our

21:19

life, whatever we're doing, like, aren't we I was

21:21

looking -- Exactly. -- we're doing such

21:23

great things. Yeah. But it's when

21:25

you start with children when

21:27

they're little, It's just part of their

21:29

fabric. Yeah. They just don't even

21:31

think twice about it. And we

21:33

have a hundred and fifty raised

21:35

beds between the two campuses now. So they grow

21:38

probably eighty percent of

21:40

the produce that they eat every single day. They

21:42

learn how to grow it, harvest

21:44

it, prepare it. Imagine what

21:46

that does with children. It's amazing.

21:48

It's amazing because we have families

21:51

that show up kind of first day of school,

21:53

they're like, my child doesn't eat anything

21:55

green. So good luck. And

21:57

within a month, they're eating, you know,

22:00

string beans off of the

22:02

vines or, you know, at

22:04

lunchtime, you know, with flaxseed oil it's

22:06

it becomes a really healthy peer pressure.

22:09

Wow. Ultimately, But we

22:11

were still, you know, getting pushed

22:13

back and our head of school, Jeff King, got

22:15

very frustrated one day. And he said, people

22:18

You can feed in whatever you want to in the morning and

22:20

whatever you want to in the evening. It's

22:22

one meal a day. It's 0MD

22:27

So news is actually the

22:29

home of OMD. That's where it all

22:31

started. Wow. And then when they

22:33

heard that, everybody kind of

22:35

relaxed. And it it

22:37

just was this, like, moment

22:39

of wow that works. Yeah.

22:41

Yeah. I understand that change is very hard,

22:43

especially when you're dealing with people's children.

22:45

When I first introduced meditation

22:47

at my school, at a lot of parents,

22:50

were like, Holy upset. This

22:52

is in two thousand seven. I don't want

22:54

my child levitating. I

22:58

don't I think they're gonna levitate. We're

23:00

just trying to

23:00

get them still for a few moments, you

23:02

know?

23:02

Yeah. Yes. So you recently

23:05

announced that Muse is going to be

23:07

opening schools in China. at the end

23:09

of this year and to expand to other US cities.

23:11

I think that is so

23:14

radical. So we will

23:16

have five

23:17

schools opened in

23:18

China by the first quarter

23:21

of twenty. And we're

23:23

in conversation with

23:25

Singapore and India and

23:27

we've got in the UK, and we've got

23:29

multiple locations around the

23:31

US. We've got Austin and Florida, and

23:33

we're talking to San Francisco, Denver,

23:36

So it started happening a lot faster than we

23:39

thought. Yeah. So my sister and

23:41

I are kind of going, buckle your

23:43

seatbelt. Yeah. Yeah. But the cool thing is, is

23:45

that it will have all of the same

23:47

philosophy, passion and interest based learning, it will

23:49

all be plant based. So we

23:51

will be spreading this

23:53

word for children

23:55

and creating an experience for children

23:57

around the world that you really

23:59

can't get anywhere anywhere else. So

24:01

now you've done exactly the same thing that you

24:04

and your husband were

24:06

on the beach walking and talking

24:08

about that day. brought a sense

24:11

of hopefulness -- Yeah. -- to

24:13

the planet in a way that you never even

24:15

imagined by just following

24:16

this this seed that was planted

24:18

within you. Yeah. Yeah.

24:19

Yeah. I don't wake up with a pit in my

24:22

stomach anymore because I know that

24:24

it'll make a difference. It's making

24:26

a difference.

24:28

I

24:28

know the answer to this question is part of what

24:30

OMD is all about, what change do you hope

24:32

to see happen in the world?

24:35

gosh. That's a multilayered change.

24:39

However, I think that

24:41

it does happen I

24:43

think there's there's something that happens when you go

24:46

plant based. You know, not only do you have all of

24:48

these health benefits, your

24:50

taste buds change. I mean, every everything

24:52

changes, but I and you have this

24:55

clarity that happens, this

24:58

energy.

24:59

And I I talked to so many people that

25:01

have gone plant based. And I do

25:04

think that it almost takes you

25:07

to a level of

25:09

being more open and

25:11

being more awake.

25:14

Yeah.

25:14

yeah And being more

25:16

conscious.

25:17

on every level. Like, when you start

25:19

being conscious about what you're putting into your

25:22

mouth and how you're

25:24

eating it and where your food comes from,

25:26

it makes you more more conscious of other things is what you're

25:28

saying. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

25:30

And what you're saying is all

25:32

you need is just

25:36

just to step into the path

25:38

of one meal a

25:40

day. Oh, and

25:42

dear. and I know you have so many delicious

25:45

recipes. It's OMD is an

25:47

invitation. It's an invitation

25:49

in to just dip your toe in

25:51

to the plant based lifestyle. And

25:53

it has tons of

25:56

recipes, meal plans, shopping lists,

25:58

But it's it's real

25:59

food for real people and there are tons of kitchen

26:02

hacks for busy moms.

26:04

How to make things easier.

26:06

Well, it feels like a love offering

26:08

that you're trying to give to the

26:10

planet. Can you tell us when you have felt

26:12

that for yourself? A

26:15

true offering of grace that has come to

26:17

you. Oh, gosh. So many.

26:19

so many So

26:22

many.

26:24

probably

26:25

I just got goosebumps again.

26:28

Probably the first one

26:31

that that came down my

26:33

lane was

26:35

when I was seventeen.

26:37

And I was on a

26:39

completely different path. I

26:43

had had a horse that I was

26:45

riding, and and all my girlfriends

26:47

were riding, and I thought that that

26:49

just looked I love that little saddle and, you know, the

26:51

hat and, you know -- The whole thing. -- the

26:53

whole thing. -- want the outfit. So I

26:55

started babysitting. fifty

26:57

cents an hour back then.

26:58

Two.

27:01

Variety cent an hour. Yeah.

27:04

Oh, yeah. We're the same generation, but that was the deal.

27:06

Fifty cents a day. People get, like, thirty

27:08

bucks an hour. I'm like, what? Do they

27:10

really? Gotta do. they

27:11

do. So I did that.

27:14

And then my aunt Betsey knew

27:17

a woman in town who had this

27:20

modeling And I mean, like, the old time where you put the book on your

27:22

head -- Oh my. -- so my sister Paige

27:24

and I took modeling classes

27:26

together, and she's four years

27:28

older than I am. And then they we

27:30

started booking fashion. I went to

27:32

charm school, Susan, but we had to have the book

27:34

on our head. It's a same kind of thing.

27:36

Okay. Although they showed us how to

27:38

put false

27:38

eyelashes on. Oh my

27:39

goodness gracious display. It

27:42

was we laughed. It was so much fun, and then we did these

27:44

fashion shows together. And

27:46

we both had very long red hair, so

27:48

they called us the AIMUS twins even though

27:51

we were four years apart, but I could make more

27:53

money in two hours than I could

27:55

in six months of babysitting. Of course.

27:57

And around that same time, I was

27:59

learning how

27:59

to fly. So my I come

28:02

from a long line of aviators, and

28:04

my daddy fought taught me how to

28:06

fly. And this

28:08

this friend of my ants

28:10

called up after she

28:12

had seen some pictures that my brother took

28:14

of me, my little brother, Charlie,

28:17

had taken of me, and

28:21

Aileen Ford wanted to meet

28:22

me.

28:23

So next thing I know, I'm in

28:25

an airplane with my mom. somebody took a picture

28:27

of you in

28:28

Oklahoma and Aileen Ford. Yeah. And

28:30

they got to Aileen Ford. Yeah. So this

28:32

woman from the the modeling age. Aileen Ford

28:34

is, like,

28:34

the most at the time -- Yeah. -- you

28:37

know, the most famous

28:39

modeling agent in the world. Yeah. Yeah. So

28:41

and I didn't even

28:42

you know, I hadn't

28:44

No. even know

28:44

what that was. I didn't know what all that is in Active

28:47

Grace. And so off to

28:48

New York, we went. And

28:50

I was just like, cool. We're going to

28:53

New York. We went there. We had interviews

28:55

with Eileen, and

28:57

we had set up with Eileen and

29:00

Will Amina. but we

29:02

went to a aileen first, and we were sitting

29:04

in there. And she

29:07

c asked

29:08

my mom, she first of all, she told me I

29:10

was a terrible model. And

29:13

then she asked if she could speak

29:15

to my mom, so I left the room. And

29:17

when I came back, if you stay in New

29:19

York for seven days, and we were

29:21

supposed to leave after four. If you stay in New

29:23

York for seven days, and you don't go

29:25

see Will Amina any lead, I'd like to take you

29:27

on the Murf Griffin Show and

29:30

introduce you as the face of the

29:31

eighties. So what?

29:33

Meanwhile, here I

29:36

am,

29:36

this ridiculously shy girl

29:39

from

29:39

Oklahoma, I

29:41

went

29:41

on the Murphy Griffin Show and

29:44

he asked me all kinds of questions

29:46

about horseback riding and

29:48

flying airplanes and Oklahoma

29:51

and I would You couldn't

29:53

even

29:53

talk. I didn't talk. Wow. I

29:55

didn't talk.

29:56

So needless to

29:58

say, I did not everything went from

30:00

there. I met an agent from Paris, and

30:02

then I ended up moving to

30:04

Paris. Okay. That's great. That's great.

30:06

That's great.

30:07

Yes. Exactly. So

30:09

can I go sole to sole with you on a few

30:11

things? Go, baby. Okay. What

30:14

have you encountered that you felt was

30:18

insurmountable. Writing a book? Really?

30:22

I didn't I didn't go to school

30:24

for writing. I didn't, you know, I don't have letters behind my

30:26

name. And I just pulled

30:29

together a team of,

30:30

you know, brain trust of doctors and a

30:33

brain trust of climate times. I had so much

30:35

fun. I have to say just

30:37

because you loved

30:37

learning and you learned as you were teaching

30:40

us. I did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

30:43

So when is the last time you were

30:44

filled with ah this

30:47

morning?

30:48

Yeah. When I drove up here.

30:51

Yeah. Yeah. Looking looking back down the

30:53

mountain. Yeah. I mean, just driving up

30:55

and watching the terrain change,

30:57

but I think every

30:59

every day is awe inspiring,

31:03

really? I think one of the

31:05

reasons you have such

31:07

reverence is because you you

31:09

have learned how to be true to yourself.

31:11

So do you have advice for people who are

31:13

living a false life?

31:16

That's a tough one,

31:19

but I know you can handle

31:20

it. It

31:24

is

31:24

tough. And and certainly, you know,

31:28

even

31:28

though, you know, Jim

31:31

is in the entertainment

31:33

industry and I certainly used to

31:35

be. Our life doesn't feel

31:37

part of that for some reason.

31:39

It's we we don't

31:41

do that. And I think a lot of pee makes

31:44

the movies and then he comes home and then

31:46

there is life. Yes. Yeah.

31:48

Exactly. And I even feel like on his

31:50

movie sets, it's life. you know,

31:52

he wrote me last night talking about the

31:54

family that he's created in New Zealand. He's

31:56

over there shooting. Shooting

31:57

Avatar 123 and two, three,

31:59

and

31:59

four? Yeah. And five. and five. Actually, five will kind

32:02

of come later, but it's it's already written and

32:04

ready for We can hardly wait.

32:07

Exactly. Yes. I know. I can't either

32:09

I can't either You actually

32:11

know what's

32:11

gonna happen though. Right? because you've read them all.

32:13

Yes.

32:13

Yeah. And they're amazing. But

32:16

in terms of you know, living

32:18

a false life. You know,

32:21

it's what what people are driving,

32:23

what they're wearing, what their

32:25

who they're hanging out with, you know,

32:27

all of those things. And

32:30

it I mean, you just said that if you're if

32:31

you're true to yourself -- Mhmm.

32:33

your life

32:34

will will

32:36

bring abundance. Abundance

32:38

will look different in every person's

32:41

life. But abundance

32:42

of now, abundance

32:45

of reality, abundance of

32:49

connection, abundance of, you

32:51

know,

32:51

presence. What was your greatest

32:54

fear that you were able to overcome?

32:57

and

32:57

what allowed you to overcome it. Oh

32:59

my goodness. I used

33:02

to be painfully,

33:05

painfully shy. like, horrible.

33:07

And I To the

33:08

point where people thought something was wrong with

33:11

them when they were around you because you were

33:13

so shy. Yeah. Yeah. I just didn't

33:15

talk. You know, I

33:16

can't no. People can't check me

33:19

out. But I

33:21

yeah. I hated school.

33:23

I hated

33:23

it. I loved learning. I still love

33:25

learning. I'm an avid reader like you

33:27

are. I just felt like I

33:29

was always this I

33:32

never felt like I belonged. So what allowed you to

33:34

overcome that? So I

33:36

think just being out in the world and

33:38

to model -- Yeah. --

33:40

and then acting. and then acting, you know,

33:43

that was a a beginning

33:45

of it. But acting, you can

33:46

still be very shy. You just get to beat somebody

33:48

else. Yeah. That Exactly. I mean, even doing

33:51

and I loved it. I loved acting. I

33:53

loved being on a set. I loved doing

33:55

theater. She decided to leave it

33:57

after meeting

33:58

your husband. I

33:59

did. Mhmm. I did. I

34:02

did. I was

34:04

married to an actor before that.

34:06

Sam Robarts of ice. Jasper's

34:08

dad. Mhmm. We had lots of fun to get in the rug, so we won big

34:11

happy family now. And but

34:13

we were constantly what we were constantly

34:15

apart apart. And I said to Jim, I said, look, if we're

34:17

gonna be together, one of us is gonna have to

34:19

quit working. And oh, by the way, I

34:22

wanna have a bunch

34:24

of kids. So it was it was a perfect

34:26

segue. I mean, I I've kind of done that in

34:28

my life. I

34:30

I stopped modeling

34:32

cold turkey to study acting and

34:35

then I stopped acting

34:37

cold turkey to become

34:39

a mom and when you realize that you're

34:41

on a journey, you

34:43

know, and totally talks about it, you know,

34:45

you just it just

34:47

opens up. Yes. and

34:49

you have these

34:49

opportunities and you

34:52

take them,

34:53

which brings me

34:54

to this question. Yes. What has been your greatest

34:56

awakening? I

34:58

started having

34:59

dreams, prophetic dreams when I

35:01

was twenty two that

35:03

scared the ever

35:04

living, you know, what out

35:07

of me. And when I was

35:09

in my early thirties, and I

35:11

didn't tell anybody about them because

35:13

they were scary. I would dream something, and then it

35:15

would happen. And it was mostly about people's health.

35:18

Mhmm. And when I was in my early

35:20

thirties, I met an amazing woman

35:22

who started talking

35:24

to me about it and giving me books

35:26

to read about dreams

35:28

and when it all meant.

35:30

being conscious

35:31

-- Yeah. -- and being awake and all

35:33

of that. So I think that was the

35:35

first moment that I

35:38

I realized that there was something I

35:40

think I always felt like there was something bigger bigger

35:43

than us,

35:44

but I couldn't put

35:46

my finger on it. I grew up in a very

35:48

religious household,

35:50

but I never felt that

35:52

feeling when I was sitting in church and

35:54

I was used to tell my mom I was

35:56

like, well, I why can't I go on top of a

35:59

mountain -- Mhmm. -- and feel

36:01

at one. But this

36:03

last spring, I picked up

36:06

which I shared with you too. I I picked up Michael Singer's books and then

36:08

you encouraged me to

36:10

read Echo's books. Mhmm.

36:12

And it it's almost

36:14

like it's like on steroids now. It's just

36:16

called to a whole another level of

36:18

being being present and,

36:20

you know, roughly, you call it anything.

36:22

Do you call it God

36:25

or spiritual consciousness? Or does it

36:27

matter for you? Yeah. I

36:28

don't think it matters. I don't think it

36:30

matters. It really is just about being

36:34

present. The the word that has come up more

36:36

than anything in the last six months

36:38

is reverence reverence.

36:39

reverence. And I just keep

36:42

it's like when when will humans

36:45

start

36:45

to have

36:47

reverence, not only for one another,

36:49

because you think of all the horrific

36:51

things that humans do to each other.

36:53

But for the plants and the

36:55

animals, all of the things that

36:57

are alive, when

36:58

when when is

37:00

that reference going to happen? I

37:03

feel like people are waking up you and

37:05

and Echo talk talk about that that

37:07

it's happening more and more and more. Which is

37:09

a

37:09

word he uses too. And

37:12

what is so extraordinary

37:14

is that if you live in a space of

37:16

reverence, for the rest of the world, for the people, for

37:18

the plants, then that

37:20

is given back to you.

37:24

you have this revered life, actually. I feel

37:26

that. Yes.

37:26

I feel so lucky. Yes. I feel

37:29

that too. I

37:29

feel that

37:32

too. What is the question or the mystery that sits in

37:34

your mind that you hope to have answered in

37:36

your lifetime? Is there one?

37:39

I would

37:41

love I've had this conversation with Jim

37:43

so many times. I would love

37:46

to know

37:47

I guess

37:49

scientifically, why

37:52

and how someone can have a prophetic

37:54

dream? Like, how can you dream something?

37:57

and then it happens. There are a lot of conversations around, you

38:00

know, multi dimensions and

38:02

all kind of, you know, fairly woo

38:04

woo kind of stuff that

38:06

it's like, How do you explain that? How do you

38:08

what

38:08

is that? Or

38:10

or consciousness or soul

38:12

--

38:13

Mhmm. -- you know, I

38:16

talked, you know, Jim

38:17

actually is very vocal at saying he's

38:19

an atheist -- Mhmm. -- which kind which

38:22

cracks me

38:24

because he's like mister spiritual He is mister spiritual

38:26

alatee and putting out these films

38:28

that show us the essence of what it

38:30

means. And then he says he's an atheist.

38:33

Exactly. time interviewed him, I went, I don't

38:35

get that.

38:36

But he wants the science.

38:37

Yes. He wants the science. because I talked

38:39

to him about consciousness

38:42

and about the soul and and dreams.

38:44

And he's like, there's no

38:46

science. At

38:46

the end, he taught us,

38:48

I see you. I know.

38:51

Yeah. which is the

38:53

highest one of the highest consciousnesses we can have. It

38:55

is. Yes. Okay. So how would you

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describe a well lived

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life? what are the signs and attributes of a well

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lived life?

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I think the quote

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I like the best is and

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have it perfectly, but it's

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the best thing in life

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is to love and be loved.

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And going through

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life and meeting

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people and

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you

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know, finding real joy and real love

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for people and and having it

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come back and return is I think that's

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as a well lived

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life. Well, thank

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you. Thank you for giving us a

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path in Diapart towels and -- Yeah. -- thank

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you. One meal a day. Thanks. Thank

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you. Yeah. And this is a cameron.

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Thank you.

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