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You. Know as well as I do, the

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world needs more capable men. Inherently, we all.

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Want. To do right by the people we love

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and care about. But the question is. Are.

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We doing anything about it? I. Can

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be a challenge to take care of ourselves with all

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the demands of life. But. The demands

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of life require that we operate

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at our fullest potential. My.

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Yesterday Jason Kleber as a man who knows

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all too well. What? It takes to

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succeed at the highest level. And. Be

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there for are people! He

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is a crossword games champion,

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jujitsu, brown belt, and an

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incredibly successful entrepreneur. Or. Today

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we talk about balancing professional and

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personal pursuits. How and why

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to prioritize fitness changing culture in

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your home, work in community or

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the power of shared suffering with

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other? And. Why Every man

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needs to train, protect, and provide.

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You were a man of action. You

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live life to the full embrace your

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for years he boldly charge your own

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half when like knock you down to

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get back up one more time every

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Feeding Rugged really strong this is your

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guys with that said let's get into

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the conversation. My guest is Jason Kalipa.

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He has eight consecutive

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CrossFit Games appearances under his

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belt. He also has a

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championship title fittest man in

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the world clearly his record speaks for

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himself his lifelong dedication to training hard

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and Really a

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relentless pursuit of excellence. You can go look

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at his Instagram page and see what that's

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all about But it's in business. It's in

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fight fitness. It's led him to where he is

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today, which again is a successful

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entrepreneur He's a loving father and husband and

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he's a formidable force. He's a leader

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in the fitness industry He

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is as I said a father husband

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protector and provider and a man that

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looks the part but more importantly He

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acts the part and enjoy this one guys I Was

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up brother so good to see you on the podcast man I

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was actually hoping that I could have because

5:03

you were at origins immersion camp last

5:06

fall, right? I Was

5:08

I was were you planning on going I

5:10

was planning on going that's the first one I've

5:12

missed in five years So yeah,

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I was unfortunate I lived out there

5:17

in Maine about an hour 45 minutes

5:19

an hour away from where they hold immersion camp

5:22

Which is obviously an incredible area But

5:24

then earlier last year about this time last year I moved

5:26

back to southern Utah So a little bit of a trek

5:28

for me this year and wasn't able to make it Dude

5:31

that that immersion camp was So

5:34

it was it was a it was a really

5:36

cool experience for me excited met, you know I met

5:38

Jocko in passing I had gone to victory I kind

5:41

of it was definitely the

5:43

time where I feel like I got to connect

5:45

more with origin the brand and Then

5:47

going to their factory was just like mind-blowing and then

5:49

being able to roll jujitsu like basically all day And

5:51

then I got to teach a crossfit class, which was

5:54

pretty cool. So yeah, man, it was great Yeah,

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hopefully you'll be there this year Yeah,

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I yeah I have plans on being out

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there. I love being out there with the

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crew and everybody else and I'd like to meet you and

6:05

get a chance to train a little bit together. How

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long have you been training Jiu-Jitsu for? Eight

6:11

years, so, you know, kind of my, yeah,

6:13

I guess like my background, it's so I'm a brown belt now. And-

6:16

Yeah, I was gonna ask brown belt, probably right about

6:18

that time, yeah. Yeah, so for me, you know, obviously

6:20

I competed in CrossFit for about a decade and then

6:23

my daughter got sick so I decided to kind of

6:25

pivot out of the sport. And

6:27

around the same time I found Jiu-Jitsu, I had

6:29

already been subleasing some space to one of the

6:31

gyms and I always like loved it.

6:34

And then I got into it after that. Yeah,

6:37

yeah, what, did somebody get you into it? Did

6:39

you have a friend or something? Or how did

6:41

you get introduced to Jiu-Jitsu? Cause that's how I

6:43

got introduced is somebody dragged me there and beat

6:45

me up. And I think they were just getting

6:48

me there to beat me up. I don't know, but I ended

6:50

up liking it and sticking around with it. So

6:53

how long have you been doing it then? Four

6:56

years, let's see, four years. Yeah, four years,

6:59

yeah. Okay, so are

7:01

you blue or purple? Blue belt, blue

7:03

belt. Okay, cool. Yeah, I had

7:05

about eight months of break in there.

7:07

I actually ended up tearing

7:09

my, I had a complete pectoral rupture

7:12

on my left side. So

7:14

it took me, it took me out of the game for

7:16

a little bit. But yeah,

7:18

I'm looking forward to getting back involved and getting

7:20

heavy into it now. Yeah,

7:22

man, I mean, so I used to watch it

7:25

a lot. I watched it because like I said,

7:27

I subleased some space for a while to Jiu-Jitsu

7:29

gym. I subleased later on to a judo gym.

7:32

I'd always watch it when I was competing in CrossFit. I

7:34

was like, damn, man, that looked so, it

7:37

looks so dynamic, it looks so unique.

7:40

It was really, it drew me in. And so

7:42

then once I stopped competing in CrossFit, I

7:44

knew I had to get into Jiu-Jitsu. So right now, I currently

7:47

train about two, three times a week. I

7:49

just got back actually from Jiu-Jitsu right now. And

7:52

then I add in my other training in addition to that.

7:55

Yeah, no, it's such a, it's interesting because I

7:58

did CrossFit for a lot of years. Probably.

8:01

Five years or so and I really prided

8:04

myself on being said and caped bowl and

8:06

even as as growing up athletic. But then

8:08

you throw digits in the mix and you

8:10

realize. How inadequate you

8:12

truly are. Especially

8:15

like you know if you've been on.

8:18

Yeah, I was so used to cross been so

8:20

yes we I was training there that then I

8:22

got on the math nurses or images at night

8:24

and day. Different approach right? So much more dynamic.

8:27

so much more to be to learn and dump.

8:29

I love it. I love both. Actually yeah, how

8:31

do you sir are obviously a big component of

8:33

what you do is just making sure the guise

8:35

of training hard and I and I and I've

8:37

looked your stuff have been falling you for a

8:39

long period of time. Prosper Jujitsu by and I

8:42

think you're You're really an advocate of those two

8:44

things, but just being active in general like to

8:46

see you jumping up on. The tailgate

8:48

of trucks or are you know, go on

8:50

for rather do whatever you can do it

8:52

any given moment. I'm I think is so

8:54

valuable because so many people live these sedentary

8:57

lifestyles. And and men are just

8:59

you know they. They wake up with just

9:01

enough time to take a shower to get

9:03

ready, drive an hour to work Sydney cubicle

9:05

for eight nine ten hours drive home he

9:07

complete like complete garbage and then go to

9:09

bed and do it all over again. Five

9:11

six days a week. For

9:13

you live in his allies antithetical to that.

9:16

Yeah. I mean you know I might

9:18

goal for my community locally. Is.

9:21

To. Create The Fittest! Most.

9:24

Bad ass community around here and so every

9:26

week I hosts free men's club meet ups

9:28

and these are disliked freak opportunity for people

9:30

to sit, train hard and get after it

9:33

like right before earlier today I move some

9:35

rotors tomorrow morning we have a group of

9:37

price fifty sixty guys to come hit some

9:39

really workouts with me. Several weeks I'm hosting

9:42

community events for guys only second next to

9:44

each other to do something hard to share

9:46

suffering all that kind of stuff. And.

9:48

I'm just a big believer that when I work

9:50

out when I train hard, whether it's on the

9:53

mat in the gym or tattle separate, I'm doing

9:55

like on the range. I. Know

9:57

that I saw a better as a husband. I showed

9:59

better. Father and I know I've

10:01

seen first hand. The. Byproduct of

10:04

what training. Has allowed me

10:06

to developmentally. that then translates into real Ipa

10:08

we're like to look at is like intentionally

10:10

doing hard things. Makes real life hard things

10:12

easier to overcome is the best way to.

10:15

I like to describe it. Yeah.

10:17

No, I agree with that. I mean the harder you

10:19

go and training, the easier it is in. Real.

10:21

Life: An employer. Can you know it's all?

10:23

Realize what Are your training at the gym?

10:26

Don't trust the jujitsu tactical stuff whenever you're

10:28

talking. it's all real life. But. There's

10:30

it's. a small consequence. You know if

10:32

you go to the gym tonight and

10:35

you go train other than you know

10:37

Tabby, some sort of catastrophic you know?

10:39

Random. Injury there's There's no real life

10:41

consequence. Do it. But missing the deadline and

10:43

work? Yeah, there's a real a consequence to

10:45

that. Or not Showing a fully is a

10:47

husband or father does a real life consequence

10:49

The that. Tude. And

10:51

so what I am or what we're really about

10:53

and at least for me, is when I think

10:56

about training. I liked the idea

10:58

of like I think all men. Should.

11:00

Be able to police embody at least we

11:02

allocate it is trained, protect provides. So what

11:05

I think about that is. On.

11:07

I think what people think about what it means

11:09

to protect. Often times that think initially like. Maybe

11:12

combat is or firearms? That's a piece of it.

11:14

but I think the biggest piece of it is

11:16

you're more likely to. Maybe your kid's gonna run

11:18

into the street. Yeah, Chase after. I'm maybe like

11:20

my son selling was fire pit a couple years.

11:23

Glad it's thrown out of it's. like those are

11:25

real life things I think are more likely to

11:27

come up and you getting into some physical fist

11:29

fight with some random guys are having use of

11:31

firearms. Do I think that you should be able

11:34

to develop those as well? Of course. But.

11:36

I think it's a baseline is what

11:38

I think that training is like below:

11:40

Protect your, protect myself. My family run,

11:42

jump, climb, lifts, all those things. But.

11:45

I also think that guy should be able to provide

11:47

him. With. That means to me is like. Provide.

11:51

there's of right if we could look at it but

11:53

providing for me means like providing experiences be able to

11:55

go out there at your kids could do anything i

11:57

have your son or daughter's like he was go do

11:59

this You never have to say no

12:01

because you're physically incapable of doing that. And

12:03

training allows me to do that. Training allows

12:05

me to go swim,

12:08

go climb, go to the beach, go do

12:10

any physical feat with my kids, go play

12:12

football. And then it also allows

12:14

me to hopefully provide more financially. And so,

12:17

you know, if I hit a workout, I show

12:19

up at work differently, right? I show up

12:21

at work with more energy, more

12:23

confidence. And those things, I think, will

12:25

help me reach my

12:28

potential better in the workplace as well to be

12:30

able to provide more for my family. So at

12:32

TrainHard, we're about train, protect, provide.

12:34

And that's the way I look at those

12:36

things. Yeah,

12:38

that makes sense. I remember when I started

12:40

CrossFit, I was at a local parade,

12:45

and they had just opened a CrossFit gym,

12:47

a parade. Yeah, I was just sitting just

12:50

watching the parade. And they

12:52

had just opened up a brand new CrossFit gym, and

12:54

people were handing out flyers and stuff like that to

12:56

all the people who were watching the parade. And they

12:58

handed me one. And a couple of

13:01

days earlier, a week earlier, I remember my

13:03

kids saying to me, Hey, Dad, let's go

13:05

jump on the trampoline after I got home

13:07

from work. And I had to look him

13:09

in the eye. And I had to say, I'm sorry, guys, I can't.

13:12

I was exhausted, but I was 60 pounds

13:14

overweight. I was I was miserable.

13:16

I was depressed, like it was not a

13:18

good position. And that was the

13:20

moment that was a very cathartic moment for me,

13:22

because I realized in that moment that, like

13:25

you said, I wasn't able to provide the

13:27

experience of something simple, like jumping on the

13:29

trampoline with my kids. Dude,

13:31

you're like, you're like speaking to me right now.

13:33

You know, we have a newsletter, it's called never

13:35

zero, because we believe like momentum should never hit

13:38

zero. And I get responses all the time. But

13:40

like that one right there, like what you just

13:42

said, that's exactly the way I feel like I

13:45

never ever want my

13:47

fitness to inhibit what I need or want

13:49

to do with my family or what I

13:51

need to do for myself. And it's

13:53

within my control. And now some

13:55

people listening to me like do this guy's like singing

13:57

from the you know, fitness, whatever it's like, yeah. Yeah,

14:00

I believe that working

14:02

out has so many auxiliary

14:05

benefits that we don't talk about enough

14:07

as men, including yes, do

14:09

you want to look good? Do you want

14:11

to feel good? Of course, those things are

14:13

natural. Like yes, but if that doesn't motivate

14:15

you, how about all the mindset things you

14:17

can learn to overcome and you

14:19

know, take some of this like anxious energy that

14:21

I think a lot of guys have, including myself,

14:23

and you go hit the mat, you go hit

14:26

the gym, and it just makes you

14:28

a different person for the rest of the day. Yeah.

14:31

How do you balance or even teach guys?

14:33

Because I think, you know, I'm trying to

14:35

think about what guys who are listening might

14:37

think of this conversation. And I'm

14:39

sure you hear this all the time. Oh, well,

14:41

you know, if I was in your shoes, it'd

14:43

be easy to, you know, be fit and be

14:45

strong. If I had what you had the time,

14:47

the money, the energy, the resources, then I would

14:49

look like you too. That's

14:52

complete garbage. I hate hearing that. But that is

14:54

what a lot of guys think. So

14:56

what do you tell the guy who is,

14:58

you know, an average Joe, who's

15:00

got a nine to five, he's

15:03

got a wife and a couple of kids,

15:05

he's making okay money, he's maybe got some

15:07

aspirational career things

15:09

that he wants to accomplish. Like, how does

15:12

that guy get into the

15:14

world of fitness to ensure that not only is

15:16

he doing it but also balances it with everything

15:18

else that he has going on? Yeah,

15:20

I mean, I think the first thing is like, I understand

15:22

if someone's like, hey, you do fitness for a living, it's

15:25

easy for you to go to Jujitsu Joys, everything's like, okay,

15:28

all right. Like, but what other option do

15:30

you have as a nine to five or whatever you

15:32

do for a living? Like what option do you have

15:34

not to stay fit? Like you don't have another

15:36

option. You need to stay fit for your family.

15:39

Like you need to stay fit to be the

15:41

most jacked grandpa on the planet. And

15:43

you need to allocate time and prioritize

15:46

it. And I think everybody

15:48

has 30 minutes a day to

15:50

get after a workout. And if you don't, then

15:52

you have to reevaluate what you're spending your time on because

15:55

I guarantee you if you look at it, you

15:57

have 30 minutes a day to quit, hit a quit,

15:59

eMom, explain more about or like

16:01

this morning for example, early, my daughter and

16:03

I went for a walk. I

16:05

put a 50 pound ruck on and

16:07

I added some external load to my

16:09

ruck, to my walk. So

16:11

now not only am I getting time with my daughter to

16:14

connect with her but I'm also getting in some additional fitness.

16:16

So that's another kind of tip that guys could take away.

16:19

But I think the main question you're asking Ryan

16:21

is like how do guys prioritize

16:23

their fitness? And

16:25

I believe that once you make it a

16:27

part of your routine, you'll start

16:29

to realize that everything else starts to follow

16:31

from it. Meaning if you wake up an

16:33

extra 30 minutes early and you just did

16:36

burpees every minute on a minute, 10 of

16:38

them let's just say or five of them or whatever. If you

16:40

went for a quick jog, you're going to

16:42

see that your day is just going to be off

16:44

to a better foot and you just got to prioritize

16:46

that and make time and find

16:48

the right program. Like it doesn't have to be

16:50

complicated. It just needs to be effective. And I

16:53

could talk a lot about that, about compound movements,

16:55

eMoms, AMRAPs, stuff like that. But

16:57

at the end of the day, if you're a guy listening

16:59

who has a traditional jog, ask

17:01

yourself this very question like what other option

17:03

do you have than to get

17:05

in some sort of fitness? I'm not saying you have to

17:07

train for three hours a day but some sort of fitness

17:10

almost every day. You really don't

17:12

have another option because what are you

17:14

going to allow yourself to get to over time? Like that's

17:16

not okay. Yeah. Yeah,

17:19

it's also interesting too is a lot of guys

17:21

will ask me, you know, hey Ryan, I'm trying

17:23

to improve myself. Where do I start? I start

17:25

in the gym. Dude, what

17:28

do you mean? Like shouldn't I journal?

17:30

I mean, yeah, sure. Journal. I'm

17:32

not going to dash on journal. Sure. Therapy.

17:35

Sure. Like whatever your thing is. I like

17:37

the gym for men because especially if you've been out

17:39

of the game for let's say 10 plus years and

17:42

you're, I don't know, 50, 60, 70, 80 pounds overweight. If

17:45

you go to the gym this week and

17:48

you go, like you said, 30, 45 minutes per day, every day

17:52

this week and you cut out, let's just

17:54

say soda out of your diet, you are

17:56

going to notice a difference in

17:58

a week. journaling. I don't

18:00

know if you're gonna notice the same type

18:02

of difference that you'll see in your body

18:04

changes in your composition over a week if

18:06

you're you let it go that far.

18:10

And you know all it takes Ryan is just

18:12

to get sparked. So like I said I've been

18:14

hosting every week for the last 22 weeks. I've

18:17

hosted a free men's club workout. So like

18:20

I'm putting my money where my mouth is

18:22

where I want to and I want to

18:24

help our local community improve their

18:26

fitness. And so I put it out on social. I put

18:28

it on email. I put it on text. And

18:30

I've seen a specific change in

18:33

these men where they show up once a week

18:35

and then for the rest of the week they try and get in

18:37

whatever they can. And the energy that

18:39

they bring back home is just

18:41

it's just night and day. I mean here's the

18:43

thing like the best gift the CrossFit Games ever

18:45

gave me was not like the

18:47

money, the prizes, all that stuff. It

18:50

was really the ability to overcome micro dose

18:52

of adversity through competition. And I think you

18:54

could do that same thing in the gym.

18:56

I think men who show up in

18:58

the gym who don't want to do it but tell themselves

19:00

they need to, who don't want to get that next rep

19:02

but they do it, they're all of

19:04

a sudden they're learning how to overcome these small

19:06

dose of adversity. I think when they leave the

19:08

gym it makes a huge difference. Like I think

19:12

that, I think learning how to

19:14

talk to yourself in a more positive versus negative

19:16

way like you're coaching yourself through a workout. Both

19:19

of those things and earning your confidence carry over

19:21

super well to real life. Like and I'm

19:24

a big believer in this because so my

19:26

daughter was diagnosed with leukemia in 2016

19:28

and she's doing well now. But

19:30

through that journey I

19:33

specifically saw the impacts that going

19:35

to the gym had

19:38

on outside and real world. And that's why I'm

19:40

so passionate about sharing this with men because I

19:42

think that they're missing out on that piece. Yeah,

19:46

that was powerful. Well and and I like

19:48

the concept of what you're talking about. You

19:51

hear these acronyms like EMOM or AMREP and

19:53

and people are like what the hell are

19:55

you talking about? Right.

19:58

But these are powerful little cues

20:00

to help you just realize that like I had

20:02

a hard time I actually do a lot of

20:04

strength training now but I

20:06

had a hard time getting into quote unquote

20:08

your traditional lifting weights and CrossFit

20:10

got me into the game because it kept me it kept

20:14

me engaged in a way that strength training

20:16

or just weightlifting or even like running or

20:18

something like that did not so I would

20:20

love to hear your explanation of you know

20:22

every minute in a minute or

20:24

as many rounds reps as possible because I

20:26

think these are very valuable cues that people

20:28

can implement in their lives. Yeah,

20:31

so I'll kind of start here pivoting

20:34

from like mindset to more tangible takeaways

20:36

from this particular episode like released from

20:38

what I'm sharing. I've spent you

20:40

know I spent the better part of my life meeting

20:43

different coaches and trying to be the best and fittest

20:45

person on earth in the CrossFit games. Starting

20:47

the fitness space for us 15 at

20:49

a conventional gym I found Muay Thai I

20:52

found a traditional bodybuilding then I got into

20:54

CrossFit I found power lifting through that and

20:56

gymnastics that and Olympic lifting through that and

20:58

all those different things and

21:01

throughout the journey competing profession CrossFit I would

21:03

go meet all these coaches I would also

21:05

teach seminars for CrossFit. Well

21:08

the reason why I share that is that if I

21:10

could give anybody some cliff notes who is listening out

21:13

of all those years that I've been doing this there's

21:16

a few things to think about number one

21:18

is that your body

21:20

wants to create adaptation so

21:23

if it if your body finds

21:25

itself in a state of if

21:28

it gets pushed to the red your

21:30

body smart and wants to create some type of

21:32

adaptation so we need to add in some level

21:34

of intensity or effort to shock

21:37

your system a little bit for your system to

21:39

say oh wow that was really hard I want

21:41

to create adaptation whether that's

21:43

external loading and heavy lifting to

21:46

break down muscle fibers to rebuild

21:48

or you're talking about more like lung capacity you

21:50

need to push yourself in those areas to ever see

21:52

those type of benefits. If all you're

21:55

doing is walking that's that's a step but

21:57

you need to get that intensity to really start to. unlock

22:00

the potential of your body. So that's that's

22:02

one thing is maximal effort for

22:04

duration of time. How long would

22:07

be the next question? I think 12 to

22:09

15 minutes is a really great range. The reason

22:11

why I like this range I think for most

22:13

guys is it helps you work

22:15

this anaerobic and aerobic system. So aerobic

22:17

being like utilizing oxygen in kind of

22:20

a longer term and anaerobic just kind

22:22

of like this fast twitch quick efforts.

22:24

We want to kind of be somewhere in the middle

22:27

of that so you could carry itself well to a

22:29

hundred meter sprint. It would also carry itself well to

22:31

a three mile run. So at 12 to 15 minute

22:33

time frame is a good time frame. Now

22:36

what type of movements to incorporate and how

22:38

to incorporate them? I think looking at movements in

22:40

terms of function and not in terms of muscle

22:42

group is a great place to start for people

22:44

listening. Oftentimes we hear people say,

22:46

Oh, I worked my buys and tries today. Okay,

22:48

cool. Like that's all good. I worked my, you

22:50

know, whatever. If

22:52

that's what you want to train is working for you. Keep doing

22:55

what you're doing. The way I like to train is I

22:57

want to hinge. I went to squat

22:59

and I want to press once a week. So

23:02

that means deadlift bench, you know, all these different

23:04

types of presses, different types of squats, different types

23:06

of hinge. And I want to

23:08

make sure that I get my heart rate

23:10

elevated every day. So I'll use multi-joint movements

23:12

like the thruster, a deadlift, a back squat,

23:14

a press, anything. And if you

23:16

ask me like what muscle groups amazing, I don't

23:19

know, man, a lot of them, but it's a

23:21

function. Yeah, exactly. It's the

23:23

function I'm looking for. Like I'm lowering

23:25

and raising my center of mass or

23:27

I'm pressing overhead versus, Oh, I'm

23:29

working my upper delt or whatever it might

23:31

be. And then final thing I'll say,

23:34

and then we could dive more into it if you want, is

23:37

incorporating different styles

23:39

of workouts. So an AMRAP is as many reps or

23:41

as many rounds as possible. And the benefit there is

23:43

that it's you against the clock. So let's just say

23:46

I'm like, Hey, Ryan, I want you to have an

23:48

AMRAP of five pull ups, 10 push

23:50

ups and 15 squats for 10 minutes.

23:54

You know, you might get five rounds. Someone

23:57

listening might get eight rounds, but

23:59

now the next time you try and get that

24:01

score or a little bit better, but it's as

24:03

many rounds or reps in that time frame. The

24:06

other way to train that is probably my favorite

24:08

is an e-mom. An e-mom is every minute on

24:11

the minute. And this style of training

24:13

I think is really conducive because it's you racing a

24:15

clock on a minute basis. So sometimes you have a

24:17

training partner, you don't know how well you're doing. But

24:20

an example of an e-mom would be 15 burpees

24:22

every minute for 10 minutes. So

24:24

if you finish in 30 seconds, you get 30 seconds rest.

24:27

If you finish in 45 seconds, you get 15 seconds rest.

24:29

If you don't finish at all, you might need to drop

24:31

the number. But the goal is every

24:33

minute you get to see, am I

24:35

achieving my goal? Am I hitting what I

24:37

set out to do? And if

24:39

not, then reevaluate and crush the next minute. Crush

24:41

the next minute. That's why I love e-moms.

24:44

Yeah, and I think that component of tracking it is

24:46

important too. Because if you're not tracking it, you don't

24:48

know what you're measuring yourself against. But

24:51

in the world of CrossFit, one of the things

24:54

I really valued was the competitive nature of it.

24:57

I would do it harder than I would do on my own.

24:59

You know, if I saw somebody who was a friend

25:01

of mine, maybe a similar build, maybe we

25:03

started the same time, and we're doing every

25:05

minute on the minute, and I see him

25:07

get, you know, eight and a half

25:09

rounds, but I want nine rounds. But

25:13

if he wasn't there, I might get seven. So

25:15

I like that competitive nature. And I think that

25:17

speaks to what you're talking about, getting the guys

25:19

together in the neighborhood and community working

25:21

together. Because when men band together, if it's

25:24

done in a healthy way, that competitive nature

25:26

can actually push all of us in a

25:28

very healthy way. For

25:31

sure. For sure. And

25:33

if you don't have that network, I 100% agree with you, Ryan.

25:35

But if you don't have that network, you know, you can go

25:37

to a local CrossFit gym, you can go find a local gym,

25:39

you can find a Jiu-Jitsu gym, or you

25:41

can just race the clock. Meaning, you know,

25:43

if, for example, we have our train hard

25:45

app, and we put on there, you know, we give you

25:47

goals or an e-mom, you could then let's just

25:50

say the first minute you get 10, your

25:52

goal now is to get 10 again and 10 again. And

25:55

so now if you don't have that camaraderie with other

25:57

people around, you could use your clock as an indicator

25:59

of your success. and so just kind of like, you

26:01

know, not having anything to go off of. Dr.

26:04

Justin Marchegiani And the counter to that,

26:06

you talked about isolating muscle groups. You

26:08

know, for example, I was sitting in

26:10

the gym this morning doing preacher curls,

26:12

which obviously is designed to isolate the

26:14

bicep, right? Like that's it. Like

26:17

no shoulder, no back, like we're just gonna isolate

26:19

this bicep right here and see if we can

26:21

get maximum lift from this. I think

26:23

it makes sense. But

26:25

I almost wonder if it's purely an aesthetic

26:28

decision to make. I mean, obviously, there's

26:30

benefits to having bigger muscles, even if

26:32

they are just isolated groups. But

26:35

to me, it seems like it's more of an aesthetic

26:37

approach, as opposed to a functional

26:39

approach. Like you said earlier, you

26:41

know, having to chase somebody down or the

26:43

scenario I thought of was, you

26:45

know, if your child or your wife

26:48

is trapped inside of a car, could you get that

26:50

car door open? Well, if you

26:52

got into an accident, those are the types

26:54

of things that I think really, really are going to apply

26:57

more often than, hey, how good am I

26:59

at the preacher curl? Yeah.

27:01

And so just to be fair, we have

27:03

a program that's called flex. And

27:06

there's a gentleman that programs that with me

27:08

named Gabe, and he's a hard gainer, like he's

27:10

a hard gainer, it's hard for him to gain

27:12

size, and he wants to gain size. That's important

27:15

to him to look the

27:17

part that he wants to look. And

27:19

so he's created this progressive overload bodybuilding

27:21

program for people who maybe are harder

27:23

gainers or who desire to have that

27:25

aesthetic appeal. It's just for me,

27:27

I focus more on like functional

27:31

capacity. But I also want to

27:33

look good. I just am at the I'm

27:36

not necessarily striving for increased muscle size. But

27:38

if you are, then you definitely want to

27:40

be on a more structured program with progressive

27:42

overloading. So that's a program we have to

27:45

but it's just not the one that I

27:47

tailor as much my training to, because I'm

27:49

more looking for like the hard,

27:51

you know, emoms, AMRAPs, whatever, and then I go

27:54

and then that that transfers over really well to

27:56

the mats for me. Yeah,

27:59

I've noticed that personally. like CrossFit, I got,

28:01

I think I would say I got

28:03

more fit, quote unquote fit. When

28:05

I was doing CrossFit, I definitely got

28:08

bigger doing strength training. For

28:10

sure. For sure. For sure.

28:12

And I think you got to listen to like, what is

28:14

your why and what do you try to accomplish? Like, if

28:17

you're listening to this podcast, you're like, all right, well, like,

28:19

I don't, you know, now I kind of get an idea

28:21

with an email, maybe it's going to AMRAP, but like, how

28:23

do I embrace that? Well, I

28:25

think it really just depends on what your

28:27

goals are. If you want to, you know,

28:29

get ready for summertime, and you really want

28:31

to get bigger, well, then you have to eat

28:33

and train in a way that's going to help you

28:35

get there. If you instead want to

28:37

say, hey, I want to lose a couple of pounds,

28:40

I want to be overall fit, when that's it, those

28:42

are two different goals. And you just got to identify

28:44

where you're at on your journey, and then just go

28:46

pick it and get after it. I

28:48

think the biggest thing for me, Jason is just

28:50

I really don't like the end goal is important.

28:52

But I think for the most part, most

28:55

men have the same goal as it relates to fitness

28:57

is like, hey, I want to be I want

29:00

to be fit, I want to be capable, I want to look

29:02

good with my shirt off, you know, if I'm at the beach,

29:04

or I want my wife to look at

29:06

me and think I'm sexy, if we're gonna, you know,

29:08

the intimate have sex, like, I think we all want

29:10

the same thing. To me, I

29:13

think for the most part, it comes down to I'm

29:15

trying to think about this before I say it. But

29:17

I think for the most part, the biggest goal that

29:20

any man should have you correct me if you think I'm wrong, is

29:24

what can you do that

29:26

will keep you in the game the longest? Like,

29:28

I know so many guys are like, I don't

29:30

like jujitsu, like, then stop going to jujitsu. Like,

29:33

they're like, well, you know, like Jason talks about

29:35

it, Jaco talks about it. And so I don't

29:37

care if you don't like it. You're

29:40

not going to do it. And then you're

29:43

going to give yourself all sorts of excuses

29:45

and reasons as to why you can't be

29:47

in shape. Go, go run marathons. I don't

29:49

really care. Like find something you can sustain

29:51

forever. For sure. For

29:54

sure. For us, like I'll give you an example.

29:56

We have three programs that we mainly I mainly

29:58

float between we have one that's act

30:00

the part called force. It's like the

30:02

functional one. We have one that looked apart. That's like bodybuilding.

30:04

We have an E-bomb program and the goal

30:06

is like to never let momentum get to zero. So

30:08

you might be able to funnel between those different programs,

30:10

but like to your point, like I want

30:13

to be as fit as possible for as long

30:15

as possible. Like my goal is to

30:17

be fit for the rest of my life. And if

30:19

that's the mentality I have, then I need to find

30:21

things that really call to me and that could change.

30:23

You know, like it was for me, I was trying

30:26

to be trying to hit, you know, a 350 pounds,

30:30

whatever. I was chasing this snatch number. I

30:32

was chasing these cleaning jerks. I was chasing

30:34

winning the cross of games and that for

30:36

me identified my fitness goals for many years.

30:39

Now it's evolved. Like, dude, I just want to be

30:41

the fittest, most

30:43

capable dad and husband I could possibly be.

30:47

And I'm sure that'll change where now I want

30:49

to be the fittest, most capable grandpa I want

30:51

to be. And then maybe that'll change in the

30:54

future, but I need to keep chasing these things

30:56

and finding the right programs that helped me do

30:59

it. You know, like right now I'm training for tactical

31:01

games because it seems appealing. Like I want to try

31:03

it. And that's the way I work. But

31:05

other guys might be like, Hey, maybe you

31:07

just want to be able to play golf for the rest

31:09

of your life. Well, let's put you on a program that

31:11

allows you to have some general capacity so

31:14

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31:16

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31:18

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31:20

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31:22

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32:42

get back to it with Jason.

32:47

Yeah, that's a good point. Cause I think about it,

32:49

I was doing some Spartan races and then last year

32:51

I did a Ragnar relay race and I have one

32:53

coming up in the spring. And I

32:56

don't really, honestly, I don't care

32:58

if I win it, that's not really my driving

33:00

motivating factor. I just wanna go spend good time

33:03

with good people that I like and care about

33:06

and spend the time together. So

33:09

if I was trying to win it, I think my

33:11

training would be different than if I'm just trying to

33:14

make sure that I get a good time, beat my

33:16

time last year, that I don't kill myself, and

33:18

then I'm strong enough and capable enough

33:21

that I can actually enjoy it versus

33:23

it being miserable for me.

33:25

And that requires different training, different

33:28

schedules. For sure, and learning

33:30

new skills and figuring out what you wanna do.

33:33

So for me, jujitsu really unlocks this

33:35

side of my brain where I can learn new skills

33:37

all the time. Now that I've gotten more

33:39

into the tactical games, I'm

33:41

learning all these new skills and that's

33:43

super, that's something that inspires me. But

33:46

I do have more time than probably most people

33:48

do to learn these and acquire these skills. So

33:50

they need to figure out what does their fitness time

33:52

look like and just stay dedicated to it. Because

33:54

once they get on that path, dude,

33:56

I'm telling you, they're gonna look back six months

33:58

from now and be like, they're so great. that they got

34:00

started on that journey. It's kind of like the

34:02

way I look at it, is like, it's kind

34:04

of like investing. Like you're never gonna look back

34:07

five years from now and be like, oh, I

34:09

wish I hadn't invested into that. It's like, well,

34:11

after compounds every day, every week, every year, it's

34:13

like, holy shit. Like look at this impact now

34:15

it's made and it just becomes a part of

34:17

your routine. Yeah, no, that's a good

34:19

point. I do wanna shift

34:21

gears a little bit because you had mentioned something

34:23

a little bit in passing with your daughter being

34:26

diagnosed with leukemia. How old

34:28

was she when she was diagnosed? She

34:30

was like four

34:33

about to turn five. Okay,

34:35

yeah. And where were you in

34:37

your CrossFit career or your life

34:39

in general? Like where were

34:41

you and then how did that deviate once you

34:43

found out what was going on with her? I

34:46

mean, yeah, I mean, we were doing pretty good. You

34:52

know, so my daughter was born in,

34:56

so she was 2011, my son was born in 2016. So

34:58

I had had, at the time I had two children, my son

35:00

was like pretty young, right? And,

35:02

or 2014, excuse me. And

35:05

so in 2016, she was diagnosed. And

35:08

so my son was like a year and a half old.

35:10

My daughter was like, you know, almost turning five, et cetera.

35:13

And I had been competing individually at the

35:15

CrossFit Games for about a decade. And that

35:17

took a lot of wear and tear on

35:19

my relationships in terms of the commitment that

35:21

was required. My wife and I, we met

35:23

when we were 14 in high school and

35:25

we've been together ever since. And so,

35:27

you know, I really look

35:29

at her as like my partner. And

35:32

so every year before the CrossFit Games, you know, I didn't

35:34

get into this thing for money or fame or any of

35:36

that kind of stuff. I got into it when there really

35:38

was no money or fame. So every year

35:40

I would just like ask

35:42

her like, hey, you know, are you ready to make this commitment with

35:44

me? And eventually over time, it

35:46

was like, probably like, I don't know, six years

35:48

in, five, six years in, I was competing year

35:50

round. So I was competing at the open

35:53

regionals CrossFit Games and I'll go compete for,

35:56

they had an invitational for Team USA. That

35:58

competed in for years. It

36:00

was just a lot of competition throughout the duration of the year.

36:02

You never really had any time off. So anyways, we

36:05

had had conversations about this and she had said that,

36:07

hey, we got one more year and then we need

36:09

to make a change. I was like, okay, cool. So

36:12

I competed. I did well. I got back on

36:14

the podium. And then I decided

36:16

to go team that next year because of

36:18

our conversation, which she was prepared to go

36:20

indefinitely if I want to go team indefinitely.

36:24

But then my daughter got sick after

36:26

that crossfit games and I retired from

36:28

the sport immediately. So the way

36:30

I looked at it is you have your business, your family,

36:32

your fitness, or it depends on how you break it down.

36:34

Obviously for me, it's like family, fitness,

36:38

business, that was like three different categories

36:40

in my life. And at that point, it

36:45

was a non-negotiable that there was

36:47

nothing more important than getting

36:50

her well again. And so I wrote

36:52

an email that night. I

36:54

essentially put the company in the hands of the

36:57

president of our company. And then I retired

37:01

from the sport that same day. It

37:03

was the easiest decision I've ever made. People

37:07

ask me, oh, is it tough? It's like, no, man. I

37:10

would hope you would do the same situation. You

37:12

know, it wasn't that hard because it was so

37:14

blatantly obvious what the right thing to do was.

37:17

Yeah. You said

37:19

you put the business in the hands

37:21

of your president. What was the business

37:23

at the time? Was it the same business you have now? Yeah,

37:27

our business evolved. So in 2008, I opened

37:29

up at the time, it

37:31

was essentially called NorCal CrossFit. We had multiple

37:34

locations. So at the time Ava

37:36

got sick, we had about maybe

37:38

30 locations globally between

37:41

corporate wellness, brick and mortar, and we had a digital

37:43

business. And that was in 2016. So

37:46

quite a few employees, quite a few. It

37:48

was definitely a relatively robust business. And

37:51

I just pivoted away. And

37:53

luckily, I was able to kind of get back in the

37:55

fold like a month or two later and kind of play

37:57

my role and then kind of get out and. We

38:00

had a phenomenal, phenomenal team that helped.

38:03

And then that business is

38:05

now underneath the umbrella of NC Fit. So NC

38:07

Fit, originally born NorCal.

38:10

We own and operate gyms. We service gym

38:12

owners. And we do corporate wellness for Lucas

38:15

Films. And so that business is

38:17

really for gym owners, coaches, and brick and mortar.

38:20

And then we rolled out another company called Train

38:22

Hard, which has some similar employees.

38:25

And the goal for that is to

38:27

help men and women train, protect,

38:29

provide. And it's more of a digital business. So

38:31

that is another

38:33

business we have. Got it.

38:36

Yeah. All in the same vein, but

38:38

just multiple different avenues that you

38:40

explore. That's interesting with Lucas

38:42

Films. Are you contracted by Disney

38:45

or Lucas Films to help with

38:47

their day-to-day type employees or actors? Or what

38:50

does that actually look like? Yes.

38:54

Our company has been servicing for a while. It's

38:56

called LDAC, Lucas Digital Arts. And it's

38:58

in San Francisco. It's

39:02

Lucas Films is one of the major, I guess,

39:05

one of the tenants there. And there's other

39:07

tenants as well. But we run and manage

39:10

that particular facility. Along

39:12

with, at the time, we were doing a lot

39:14

of other corporate wellness. We've since pivoted away from

39:16

doing as much corporate wellness. So they're our main

39:18

corporate wellness client. And then we have our brick

39:20

and mortar in the Bay Area. Got

39:22

it. It is interesting when you see

39:25

large employers, like Lucas Films or some of these

39:27

others that I'm sure you work with, that

39:30

place a priority on

39:33

the wellness of their employees. And look,

39:36

this is the cynical side of me. They

39:39

don't really care about the wellness of their

39:41

employees. I just want to be really clear

39:43

about that. Most large organizations don't. What they

39:45

care about is their bottom line. But it

39:48

is interesting that they recognize there's a

39:50

direct correlation between their employees

39:53

being well and fit and

39:55

their bottom line. There's something to be learned from that.

39:59

Yeah. From my experience, we've

40:01

serviced Twitter, GoPro,

40:04

we've done some stuff with Facebook, we've done some stuff

40:06

with, I mean we've done Western Digital, we had at

40:09

1.20 locations with them globally.

40:11

So, I mean we've had quite a few

40:13

clients and I would say that

40:15

for the most part, I agree with you, I definitely

40:17

think there's some people in leadership who do see a

40:19

lot of value in fitness. However,

40:22

for the most part, it does come down to a bottom line

40:24

and if they could drive, we've

40:27

been able to show tangible results where

40:29

if people come in and do CrossFit,

40:32

they create better connections with each other. If

40:34

fosters this sense of connection, the productivity

40:36

increases and what we found from one study

40:38

we did, this was like 10 years ago,

40:40

it was pretty crazy, that statistically we looked

40:42

at the people that got bonuses versus the

40:45

people that came in the classes and we

40:47

did it without knowing the names and it

40:49

was all proprietary. But we found

40:51

that if you came into fitness, typically

40:53

more times than not, you're also a

40:55

higher performer in your particular organization which

40:57

would make sense. I can't

40:59

remember the exact study we did but it was years

41:01

ago and it just validated that if

41:04

you put a gym on site, if you encourage this type

41:06

of productivity, if you encourage people

41:08

to connecting through shared suffering, it

41:10

has an impact on others. I'm

41:13

curious on that if it's like

41:15

a correlation or a causation. It

41:17

reminds me, you'll hear a lot of people talk

41:19

about oral health being important

41:22

because those with good oral health have

41:24

good overall health. I'm

41:26

like, well, is that causation or is

41:29

it just correlation because people who have

41:31

good oral health probably have good discipline

41:33

around brushing their teeth, flossing proper oral

41:35

hygiene, etc. because they're disciplined in other

41:37

facets of their life. So I'm curious

41:39

what you think on is

41:42

it correlation that they're

41:45

bringing the right people in and the right people happen

41:47

to be working out or is it causation? It's kind

41:49

of an interesting thought about it. Yeah,

41:51

I think that at the nuts, what

41:54

we're seeing is creating

41:56

a culture. So for example, we provide

41:58

the fitness to customers in border. protection

42:01

and specifically

42:03

their SRT unit. And I've really enjoyed working

42:05

with a bunch of different law enforcement groups,

42:07

but in particular this group. And

42:10

it's interesting because when you start to identify

42:12

the culture within the unit and

42:15

creating a culture where the norm is that we are

42:17

going to be fit, we are going to be capable,

42:20

and how it permeates in other areas,

42:22

that other job, it's

42:24

pretty interesting. So what we found in corporate

42:26

wellness is that you create a culture where

42:28

like, dude, it's just a known thing that when we get off

42:30

work, we're going to go jump into the gym. And then all

42:32

of a sudden those people go into the gym, and

42:35

now are you now

42:37

recruiting people who have

42:39

those similar interests, or are people

42:41

who had no interest before now being turned onto

42:43

it and getting their life changed by it? Both

42:45

of those things were both happening. So it's hard

42:48

to say what the, I get your question, but

42:50

it's hard to say exactly that. Either way, it's

42:52

great. Yeah, and maybe that's

42:54

what I was going to say. Maybe the question

42:56

doesn't really matter because it doesn't matter if you're

42:58

getting people who are lazy to not be lazy

43:00

or getting people who are fit to actually join

43:02

your organization, both are wins. Dude,

43:05

100%. I agree with you.

43:07

Yeah, so it's been a cool journey. Like I said, I

43:09

started at the front desk when I was young. Own

43:12

and operate gyms. We did a lot of stuff

43:15

overseas for a long time with Western Digital, which

43:17

was pretty cool. Open locations in Singapore, Thailand, China,

43:19

whatever. And you had to learn how to work

43:22

with other people from different backgrounds.

43:25

And then meanwhile, trying to overcome everything,

43:29

the challenges, spending a lot of time in the hospital

43:31

and whatnot. That's why I'm just

43:33

such an advocate for fitness because I've seen

43:35

firsthand how when your back's up against the

43:37

wall, fitness can help you get

43:39

through that. And everybody goes through

43:41

things, whatever it might be that you have going

43:44

on in your life. I still think that when

43:46

that stress, when that anxiety, when that anxiousness hits

43:48

you as a man in particular, I could speak

43:50

on that behalf. When you go

43:52

get after it, dude, you leave feeling better.

43:54

There's no doubt. I think we

43:56

all inherently know that. And I know the reason we know

43:58

that to be true is because- Because if you

44:00

ask any guy who is going through

44:03

a difficult situation in his

44:05

life, let's say a divorce

44:07

or a bankruptcy or loss of a job

44:09

or a loss of a loved one, anything

44:11

that could happen, I think you're going to have two camps.

44:13

You're going to have a bunch of guys who use

44:16

it as an excuse to self-sabotage and

44:18

implode and destroy their lives. They turn

44:20

to abuse, alcohol abuse and substance abuse

44:23

and coping mechanisms. And

44:25

then you have another group of guys who's like,

44:27

you know, you'll hear about guys who go through

44:29

a divorce, for example, and all of a sudden,

44:32

you know, three, four or five, six months later,

44:34

they're as jacked and ripped and strong and fit

44:36

as they've ever been in their entire lives. Like,

44:38

we inherently know that when things are stressful, go

44:40

for a run, go to the gym. Unfortunately,

44:43

and I'm guilty of this, we only

44:45

do it when things get bad and

44:47

we're not preemptive about it. We're more

44:49

reactionary about it in my experience anyways.

44:52

Yeah, man. I mean, for

44:54

me, it's like, it's just been a part

44:56

of my lifestyle for so long that I now don't

44:59

know what I would do without it. You

45:03

know, today I was just on the mats and my

45:05

instructors, you know, mom just passed away

45:08

and he was using this as an outlet.

45:10

You know, he needed time to recharge his

45:12

batteries too. And so him

45:14

and I went at it hard and

45:16

he surely wasn't thinking about that. He was just thinking

45:19

about not trying to get choked and vice

45:21

versa. And I think that you need those times, you

45:23

need those outlets, especially as a guy, you know, you're

45:26

at work, you're grinding, you're trying to provide, you're trying

45:28

to, you know, put it in, then you get home

45:30

and it's like, okay, you're trying to be the best

45:32

dad you could be. But sometimes you

45:34

just need that third space, that little thing that

45:37

you could do, not the bar, not the whatever,

45:39

but the garage or the gym or the jiu-jitsu

45:41

mats where you can not be at

45:43

either of those places. So you can show up

45:45

at both those places at 100% for

45:48

those people around you, you know? Well,

45:51

and I think it's also good to have good

45:53

men in your corner like this because I imagine

45:55

it's not that you don't care that his mother

45:57

passed away, but you're not going to

46:00

use that as a reason to take it easy

46:02

on him when all the society will like oh

46:04

he's going through a hard time he's having a

46:06

heart let's take it easy let's make excuses and

46:08

you get on the mat like if it were

46:11

me I'm like I'm not going any easier on

46:13

you like I'm gonna go as

46:15

hard as I want yeah for sure and he

46:17

probably is appreciative of that because nobody else is

46:19

gonna do it and this is the power of

46:21

having men in your corner yeah

46:24

I mean basically what went down I'll just tell you straight

46:26

up I mean it's just happened an hour ago is that

46:28

he told me happened right cuz I had been I knew

46:30

his mom was in the hospital so I had been reaching

46:32

out to him hey man how's it been going but you

46:34

know etc and he told me today that she had passed

46:36

and I you know obviously I shared my you know sincere

46:38

apologies and then we got after it hard for maybe 20-30

46:41

minutes and then afterwards

46:43

I just like you know gave him a little hand

46:45

shake and hug I was like hey man I'm really sorry I'm here

46:47

for you and that was it like but you know he needed

46:50

that little outlet and I think that all guys can

46:52

appreciate that it's like dude we're just we're just one

46:54

step away from being able to do that you know

46:56

start a clock hit some burpees and dude I'm promise

46:58

you're gonna feel like a new man coming out of

47:01

it yeah you

47:03

talked about a little bit ago the

47:05

power of culture and being in

47:08

the right culture a lot

47:10

of guys find themselves in the wrong culture you

47:12

know they work for an organization that that doesn't

47:14

embrace this or they've got a bunch of people

47:16

in their lives whether it's family or friends who

47:18

don't embrace this kind of lifestyle what

47:21

is a man who's in that position who's listening

47:23

to this podcast or has a desire

47:26

to make himself fit

47:28

and strong and capable in all these ways and

47:31

he wants to change the culture right like I think

47:33

that's what we as men want to do we want

47:35

to invite people around us we want to uplift people

47:37

around us what does a guy like that do either

47:40

in the professional front and or the personal

47:42

front I mean that's a good question I mean I

47:45

can't speak for everyone but I do think what's

47:47

important is like understanding what your why is like

47:49

what what what is the reason why you're doing

47:51

any of this stuff like not to go like

47:54

way deep but even just at a surface level

47:56

like like why you

47:58

know if for example For example, you

48:01

need to have a strong why of why you wanna

48:03

work out and train. If you don't have a strong

48:05

reason, like for me, it's my family. And so this

48:07

gentleman who's listening to this right now, it's like, okay,

48:10

I wanna be fit and capable for my family. Okay,

48:12

cool. I wanna be able to provide

48:14

for them and I wanna be happy. Well,

48:16

what steps can I take in the right direction

48:18

to get out of this culture that I'm currently

48:20

in to find the right people around me? And

48:23

it could be hard in the beginning because right

48:25

now if you're in a culture and you have a

48:27

friendship and maybe you wanna go in a different direction,

48:31

dude, it's difficult because you're gonna feel like the

48:33

outlier. Like if you're at events and everybody else

48:35

wants to just drink and stay up all night

48:37

and you wanna get up early to go work

48:39

out, you might get looked at as

48:41

like that guy. But you have to

48:43

be prepared to be that guy and it's not

48:45

that weird. You gotta find your own balance and

48:47

your own people. And what you'll find is that

48:49

over time, when

48:51

you leave one circle, another door will

48:53

open that will be just as, even

48:55

more inviting, you'll feel even more connected.

48:58

When I have all these guys we get after it

49:00

in the workouts with, I intentionally do

49:03

it at 5.30 tomorrow morning because I wanna

49:05

see who's prepared to show up. And

49:07

everybody there knows that everybody else prioritize their fitness

49:09

to not drink the night before and get all

49:11

whatever so they can show up and they could

49:14

be around other like-minded people. And now all of

49:16

a sudden they create connections. And

49:18

now that becomes potentially part of their new circle. And

49:20

I'm not saying you have to get rid of all

49:22

your old friends, that kind of stuff. What you'll find

49:24

is that over time, you'll

49:27

just get connected to people that are on the same path

49:29

and have the same why as you. And you just gotta

49:31

be more open-minded to that if you're not happy with your

49:33

current situation. Yeah,

49:35

I'm just taking some notes here. It

49:37

was funny when I moved to Maine years ago, I

49:40

went to a local tire shop and I said, hey, you got a bunch

49:42

of big tractor tires in

49:44

the back. I could be a- Oh

49:47

yeah. And I said, can I buy those from you? And they're like, no, we'll just

49:49

give them to you because we have to pay to get them taken

49:51

away or whatever. We'll just give them to you, that helps us. I'm

49:53

like, sweet. So I got like five of them. And

49:55

I would go out in the yard and we

49:57

were at a busy intersection, but I'd be flipping

49:59

tires. or hitting a sledgehammer or carrying

50:01

kettlebells or just doing like weird shit in

50:04

my front yard and I went to

50:06

the convenience store one day and the woman there

50:09

said, hey, you know what people are calling you

50:11

around the neighborhood? I'm like, I

50:13

didn't realize people were calling enemy me anything. What

50:15

are they calling me? They said, you guys are

50:17

the weird workout people. And

50:19

I'm like, perfect. I'll take that all

50:21

day long. That's a compliment to me. But yeah,

50:24

people are going to look at you weird because

50:26

they don't understand. And you know what? If

50:28

I don't, I don't actually care really,

50:31

if somebody who isn't wanting to grow,

50:34

develop, get better, improve themselves in all

50:36

ways, doesn't understand me. That's

50:38

not a bug. That's actually a

50:40

feature. And I'm okay with that. Yeah.

50:44

And it feels weird, right? Because you

50:46

know, you can

50:48

sometimes feel isolated and alone, especially if your partner

50:51

is not on that same journey. But if you're

50:53

really committed to where you want to go and

50:55

what you want to do, like you just got

50:57

to communicate well with that partner. Like fortunately for

50:59

me, like my wife and I, we are on

51:02

very similar pages. And at times I've made mistakes

51:04

where I have been too

51:06

overzealous about things, meaning like I

51:08

was so deep into CrossFit. I

51:10

taught seminars every weekend. I

51:13

competed professionally. Like I

51:15

owned a gym. You name it, I

51:17

was in it. And so every call,

51:19

every dinner, every meeting we had was

51:22

always about CrossFit. And eventually it just

51:25

kind of turned her off, you know, because it was just

51:27

too much. And so once I backed

51:29

off and allowed her to find her own journey

51:31

with fitness, now we have a phenomenal relationship around

51:33

it because I just need to give her space

51:35

and not be all like just because I might

51:37

want to work out multiple times a day and

51:39

get after it doesn't mean that my spouse needs

51:41

to, but we need to have good conversations about

51:44

what it means to stay healthy for our children. As

51:46

long as we're doing that, it's all good. It just might

51:48

look a little bit different between the two of us. Yeah.

51:51

But do you talk with any guys? I'm glad. That's

51:54

awesome that you have a life who's fully on board with that.

51:56

But how many guys do you talk with who

51:58

are motivated and ambitious about this and they

52:00

don't they have wives who are like either

52:03

not interested or like if that's

52:05

neutral right like I'm not interested

52:07

and it might even be worse than

52:09

neutral where they're against it for whatever

52:12

reason. How often do you meet with people

52:14

like that? So

52:16

you know from

52:20

all the years I've been doing this in particular with the

52:22

men's club that we started about maybe you know every week

52:24

about six to seven months ago I would

52:26

say that more times than not the women

52:28

are very supportive from my

52:30

experience. From my

52:32

experience I've received text messages like it's so funny we

52:35

host one of the first men's club and this woman

52:37

texted me she's like hey my husband came home different

52:39

today and I was like hmm I'm like I don't

52:41

know exactly what you mean I don't know if he

52:43

brought it you know I don't know what he meant.

52:45

I hope he did. She's like I hope he did

52:47

I hope you both are satisfied. That's

52:51

what I was saying right and you know I think

52:53

part of me has this insecurity where so what we

52:55

do is we just like do local meetups like in

52:57

parking lots and stuff and I just text a group

52:59

and say where to meet up and

53:01

the other day we're pushing sleds up this big hill

53:03

and this woman comes out of her house and she

53:05

has her coffee mug I'm just thinking oh man we're

53:07

gonna yell that and she just looks like she's like I

53:11

she's just like looked just like like nodding

53:13

her head like nice work gentlemen and then

53:15

went back in her room. I think that

53:17

there is a resurgence of people who want

53:19

to see men do hard things and I

53:21

think that a lot of wives are

53:24

receptive to it as long as you

53:26

communicate it effectively because I have also

53:28

been the guy who you know

53:30

again I'm eating for carnivore

53:32

I'm eating paleo I'm eating zoon and

53:35

I try and encourage too much on

53:37

my spouse but once she found

53:39

what worked for her which is creating a small

53:41

group of women that work out every day in

53:43

our garage that's what works for her.

53:45

I find that more times

53:48

than not the spouse is supportive if it's

53:50

communicated effectively of why it's important to the

53:52

guy. Hmm not

53:54

only important to the guy but important family you know

53:56

if I'm communicating with my partner and saying hey I'm

53:58

gonna go to the gym. gym this morning, especially

54:01

if you're doing it in a way that doesn't take

54:03

away from the family. Like if I wake up at

54:05

5am, like me going to

54:08

the gym at five or 530, I go in at about

54:11

six o'clock every morning, that doesn't

54:13

impede on on my kids time. So

54:15

I'm not taking away anything from

54:18

my relationship with my kids. But

54:20

I've learned if you communicate it

54:22

effectively, in

54:24

a way that not only serve is serving for you,

54:26

but how this is going to serve everybody else, that

54:28

seems to be pretty effective as well. For

54:31

sure. I mean, and you know, what really has

54:33

helped me with my family is that, and

54:35

this goes for my son too. So my

54:38

son is about to turn 10. And he's

54:40

a he's definitely got the like, he

54:42

could be aggressive, like at sport, and he has like

54:44

a lot of energy, right. And so sometimes he'll come

54:46

in and he'll just be like, I'll be like, bro,

54:49

go hit the cold punch. I'll be like, Nope, go

54:51

hit the cold punch or go in the garage. I'll

54:53

meet you in there. We're gonna do a 10 minute

54:55

AMRAP. I'll see you in a second. Because you could

54:57

tell he's just he's got too much and it comes

54:59

out in ways where it's not constructive,

55:01

especially in young men. And so I find

55:04

that with with my son in particular, like

55:06

I believe that jujitsu and self defense is

55:08

important. I believe that all these different things,

55:10

but not to go off on tangent. But

55:12

the point I make here is that my

55:15

wife and my family knows that

55:18

if they see me in like a little bit of a funk,

55:21

chances are I didn't get after it. And so they encourage

55:23

me, Hey, Jay, you got it, you got to go get

55:25

after it, like, go get after it. I'll see you in

55:27

30 minutes, because you have a lot of energy

55:30

right now, we could feel that energy and you

55:32

need to go, you know, I don't know

55:34

if I'm explaining that correctly. I don't know if you know what

55:36

I'm talking about. But that's been key for me too, is that

55:38

they want it for me just as much as I want it

55:40

for myself. Yeah, I

55:43

think I think every man knows what you're talking about.

55:45

Like we feel it, right? Like, I

55:47

might have a bad day at work, for example.

55:50

And I might if I don't go work out, I

55:52

don't go train, I don't go do something physical, I

55:54

might let that creep into the relationship I have with

55:56

my kids or anybody else. And

55:58

it hinders and hurts relationship

56:01

versus hey let me direct this towards a

56:03

powerful outlet. I actually think that's one of

56:05

the things that is wrong with society and

56:08

specifically the educational system for our young men.

56:11

You know these boys your son's 10 so

56:13

what's he in fifth grade right so he's

56:15

in fourth grade fourth grade yeah

56:17

he's in fourth grade he's nine he he's in not

56:19

he's nine he turns 10 like in two months yeah

56:22

got it yeah so he's right there so you know

56:24

sit down shut up color within the lines

56:26

do what you're told follow directions you know

56:29

maybe even wear this specific thing and

56:31

that's not what we as men want to do like

56:34

we want to go explore we want to take risks

56:36

we want to be physical we want to you

56:39

know build things destroy things like that man

56:41

if we could find a way to do

56:43

that and we have that available through

56:45

some of the outlets that you're talking about they're just not getting

56:47

it enough day to day because they're

56:49

in school all day long doing the opposite of what

56:52

they ought to be doing dude

56:54

yeah it's something that's a big conflict and not

56:56

a big conflict it's something I think about a

56:58

lot you know a lot of our friends have

57:01

pursued homeschool I think that's definitely a route

57:03

we have not pursued that route we're more

57:05

traditional private Catholic school for

57:07

our kids but we've we

57:09

recognize the pros and cons I

57:12

think and we're trying to to

57:14

you know do the best we can to

57:16

navigate that right and you're like with my

57:18

son like he just dude I wouldn't want

57:20

to sit in a chair for eight hours

57:22

either like right now I'm at a standing

57:24

desk and I wouldn't want to sit down

57:26

for eight hours I'd be nuts it'd

57:29

be the worst and so I

57:31

can't blame them and so you

57:33

know we have to every day we

57:36

got to sweat we got to move and we got

57:38

to get after it and whether it's baseball football jujitsu

57:41

or or just working out is

57:44

is an outlet that I think that is really

57:47

necessary for young boys you know I think that

57:49

this idea that you go to school then you come home

57:52

and you play video games you're just sedentary I just think

57:54

it's it's a it's a it's not

57:56

it's not gonna have a good ending to it for a

57:58

lot of people and I think that make

58:00

sure that especially young boys are

58:03

getting the outlets they need to express that

58:05

energy that we were talking about right now.

58:08

Yeah, I do want to bring

58:10

up a point of clarification and a slight disagreement.

58:12

So I want to talk about which one.

58:14

Yeah, let's do it. What? Well, you said

58:17

we take more of the traditional route of I think

58:19

you said Catholic private school. The

58:22

traditional route is homeschooling. I just want

58:24

to be very clear about that. The

58:27

traditional route is men leading their boys

58:29

in the field, taking care

58:31

of the fields, taking care of the crops, taking care

58:33

of the cows, taking care of the harvest. I just

58:35

want to make sure I clarify because you're talking like

58:37

old school tradition. That's a traditional

58:40

way. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matt

58:42

Boudreaux will be on right now. Be

58:44

like, Yeah, exactly. Yeah, Matt and I

58:46

speak the same language for sure. Yeah.

58:49

And so, you know, I think for me, it's

58:51

like, I was just talking to this gentleman, Ben

58:53

Alderman, who, who's homeschooled all four of his kids.

58:56

And, you know, I think there's a lot to unpack

58:58

there. I think it's great. I think it

59:00

has a lot of benefits. It's not the path that

59:02

we chose. But I think

59:04

that recognizing that in

59:06

itself and seeing how we could take

59:09

things from that community and embrace

59:11

it into what we're currently doing, I think is the

59:13

key. But it's Yeah,

59:15

I get what you're saying. That was good. I

59:17

thought you're gonna say something. That makes sense. I

59:19

get it. Yeah. No, I think I think one

59:21

of the things that I appreciate about what you're

59:23

doing in all fairness is and I don't see

59:25

this a lot with everybody is they'll pawn their

59:27

kids off to the school district. And that's not

59:30

what I'm saying. And I'm not even,

59:32

that's not what you do. I'm not

59:34

even suggesting that. But that's what a lot

59:36

of people do. But if your kids go into

59:38

the public school system, great, whatever that that's a

59:40

dynamic that works for you. But don't think for

59:43

a second that that absolves you the responsibility of

59:45

telling your boy, hey, we're gonna go do an

59:47

AMRAP, or we're gonna go out hunt, or we're

59:49

gonna go train jujitsu, or we're gonna go out

59:52

and play a wrestle or jump on the trampoline

59:54

this afternoon. Yeah, they might be there

59:56

for six, seven, eight hours a day. But you

59:58

as a father still have a responsibility. for

1:00:00

them when they're with you at home. Yeah,

1:00:03

and you know, it's funny. I

1:00:06

something I think about all the time is like

1:00:08

you only get so many no's before they no

1:00:10

longer ask anymore. So like my son in particular,

1:00:13

he's very active. So he'll come home from school

1:00:15

guaranteed. He'll be home from school in 30 minutes

1:00:17

guaranteed. He's a walking back dad, let's go play

1:00:19

football. That was awesome. And

1:00:22

I only get so many no's right before

1:00:24

he just stops asking. That's something I think about all

1:00:27

the time is that for a while, I

1:00:29

wasn't doing a good job and I'm being

1:00:31

much more like aware of this now. I

1:00:33

used to be on conference calls a lot

1:00:35

with Asia when I would be at home

1:00:37

and we would work different

1:00:39

hours. So Asia, my calls would be

1:00:42

like at 6, 7 p.m., 6

1:00:44

p.m. because it would be morning their time.

1:00:47

And I would do a terrible job of

1:00:49

isolating myself and then I'd walk in, I'd

1:00:51

be on the phone still and I would

1:00:53

kind of like, hey, one minute, one minute,

1:00:55

you know, that kind of thing. And I had

1:00:57

to learn that like when I'm in the house,

1:00:59

when I'm in their presence, like I need to let them know

1:01:01

that they're our top priority. And so instead I'll just stay in

1:01:04

the office or I'll stay in my car

1:01:06

and finish the call instead of going in because I

1:01:08

don't want to put myself in a position where I'm

1:01:10

like putting my finger up like one minute or no,

1:01:12

no, no, not right now. I just I'd

1:01:14

rather just stay away from that situation. Like if I'm if

1:01:16

I'm talking to you, for example, I'd rather just be up

1:01:18

in an office than be in front of them and have

1:01:21

to like not not make them feel

1:01:23

like they're being prioritized. And that same

1:01:25

thing goes when they asked to go do stuff like I

1:01:28

have to really be selective on like, hey, man, you

1:01:30

only get so many no's before like the worst thing

1:01:32

would be if he just continues to come home and

1:01:34

never asked me to go do anything anymore. I'm like,

1:01:36

fuck, that sucks. So that's something that a lot. I

1:01:40

think that's a really valid point. And it also applies

1:01:42

the other way. So if you're with your family or

1:01:44

with your son or your daughter or your family, whatever

1:01:46

it may be, then

1:01:49

they get the priority. So

1:01:51

it's all them. And that's one thing I've had to

1:01:53

be aware of, especially because my work is all right

1:01:55

on this device, you know, and

1:01:57

so it's like, hey, when I'm here, I'm here with you

1:01:59

guys. When I'm watching your game, I'm watching your game

1:02:01

when we're wrestling or playing or laughing or even if we're

1:02:04

playing a video game Which we do, you

1:02:06

know, we'll play a video game and we'll do that together I'm

1:02:08

all in with you guys in the moment.

1:02:10

My youngest son about a week ago

1:02:14

Said hey dad, can we go buy a lacrosse

1:02:16

stick? He's he's seven years old and

1:02:19

his oldest brother is Starting to

1:02:21

play the cross and like yeah, of course, you know, normally I might

1:02:23

be like nah, I don't want to go I don't want to spend

1:02:25

the money but I'm like yeah, dude, if that's what you want to

1:02:27

do and that's what it takes for us to

1:02:29

go outside and Playing catch is

1:02:31

actually with lacrosse. I'm all about I don't know anything about

1:02:33

lacrosse But if that's what you want to do and that's

1:02:35

what's gonna get you involved with me Then by all means

1:02:38

let's go spend 50 bucks and get it taken care of

1:02:41

Dude a hundred percent like what would be the

1:02:43

other option? Like imagine if like if

1:02:46

you think about that at first, okay, do I want to

1:02:48

go to the store? Don't want to go take out of

1:02:50

my way. I don't know anything about lacrosse Don't want to

1:02:52

go spend this money. Don't want to go commit to this

1:02:54

It's another sport. You all these like things go through your

1:02:56

mind, right? And then but like what's

1:02:58

the other option? You say no, like now it's

1:03:00

like Like

1:03:02

potentially you're not unlocking like maybe this

1:03:05

becomes his sport maybe this like those

1:03:07

are things that I think about a lot is like

1:03:09

we as parents have an obligation to Try

1:03:12

and you know help guide our young men and

1:03:14

women as best we can It's like if that's

1:03:16

what they're asking for and something constructive and maybe

1:03:18

could be something you guys could do together like

1:03:21

That's awesome. Even though it's not necessarily always

1:03:23

the easiest decision Like like my son last

1:03:25

week really wanted to go snowboarding. I'm like

1:03:27

damn we got drive four hours Yeah,

1:03:30

buy a lift ticket. I had all the excuses in the

1:03:32

book, you know, but it's like at the end of the

1:03:34

day It's like that that means they want to spend time

1:03:37

with you and and that's that's maybe not something you're gonna

1:03:39

get for the rest Your life. So you might as well

1:03:41

take advantage of it now, you know Yeah,

1:03:43

for sure. I've got a I've got a friend

1:03:45

that frames it. I think he talks about it

1:03:48

in the concept of 18

1:03:50

summers, you know, it's like you only have 18

1:03:52

of those, you know Like

1:03:55

that's it. My oldest is turning

1:03:57

16 next month. I mean he's

1:03:59

all but gone anyways. He's got a girlfriend,

1:04:01

he's got sports, he's got lacrosse, he's got

1:04:04

friends, he's 16. He's going to be even 16.

1:04:06

He's 15. Man, once he hits 16, he's going to have

1:04:08

a vehicle. He's

1:04:10

already bought his first truck. He's

1:04:12

going to be gone. Like it's not even 18.

1:04:14

It's 16 if we're being honest about it. Yeah.

1:04:17

And so it's yeah, you're right. Like 16

1:04:19

summers. And so that's just something.

1:04:22

And look, I understand from

1:04:24

a practical perspective, it's not always

1:04:26

perfect. But something I think about all the time

1:04:28

is like, you know, if I asked myself, like, I don't know,

1:04:30

let's just say you're on a walk at night or whatever you

1:04:32

got, if you want to like a micro check in like, Hey,

1:04:34

how am I doing in these different areas? You know, I think

1:04:36

if you, if you continue to do these

1:04:38

micro check ins, because I don't want to come off

1:04:40

on this podcast, like I'm perfect at all these areas,

1:04:42

like, dude, my wife and I have been together a

1:04:44

really long time. And we are constantly talking,

1:04:47

communicating and figuring out how we could

1:04:49

how we could be better, right. And

1:04:52

I think that it starts with these micro check

1:04:54

ins that doesn't turn into something massive in the

1:04:56

future. Like if you're asking yourself on a weekly,

1:04:58

biweekly basis, like, Hey, how am I doing in

1:05:00

business, family, fitness? Well, then you can make these

1:05:03

little adjustments that could put you back on the

1:05:05

right path. But if you, you know, tend to

1:05:07

not if you tend to avoid those conversations or

1:05:09

those things for weeks, months, years, all of a

1:05:11

sudden, it's very hard to get back on the

1:05:14

path. And so that's something I think about all

1:05:16

the time is like, if I'm in

1:05:18

the sauna or whatever I'm doing is okay, you know,

1:05:20

hey, I was traveling for work, how can I

1:05:22

come home and really be present and focused and

1:05:24

really prioritize here and then and then get back

1:05:27

at it and find balance moving forward for the

1:05:29

rest of the week. So that's been really helpful

1:05:31

for me. Yeah, that's awesome.

1:05:34

Well, brother, I can't believe how fast this time

1:05:36

went. How do we connect with

1:05:38

you learn more about train hard, learn more about your

1:05:40

programs, you got to book out how to how do

1:05:43

we learn more about what you're up to? Yeah,

1:05:46

I mean, I think, you know, so

1:05:48

yes, there's there's a train hard app,

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Right on. We'll sync it all up so we guys know

1:06:35

where to go. Man, I appreciate you leading from the front.

1:06:37

I'm inspired by you, so I'm glad that we're finally able

1:06:39

to make this happen. Thanks brother for joining me today. Thank

1:06:42

you. I appreciate it. Gentlemen,

1:06:45

there you go. My conversation with Jason Kliepa.

1:06:47

I hope you enjoyed it. I

1:06:49

always enjoy talking with highly, highly successful men.

1:06:51

Unfortunately, I missed him the end of last

1:06:54

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1:06:56

week-long jujitsu camp. But I'm going to be

1:06:58

going this year, and him

1:07:00

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1:07:02

I fully, fully anticipate this man

1:07:05

wiping the mats with

1:07:07

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1:07:09

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1:07:16

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