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2:23

The Next Chapter. Thank you so much

2:25

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2:27

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2:29

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2:38

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2:41

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2:43

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2:45

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2:47

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2:50

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3:16

Oh, hey, Marco.

3:17

Hey. How's it going? Can you hear me?

3:20

Yes. It's great. Awesome. Awesome.

3:23

I I was just telling everybody about

3:25

orphan black the next chapter in case they don't

3:27

know about it. So can

3:29

you kind of give a explanation

3:32

about the show and where people can find it.

3:34

Sure. So orphan black

3:36

first and foremost, or from Black the next chapter,

3:39

first and foremost, is a fiction podcast.

3:42

And you can it's available anywhere

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you get your podcasts, whether it's Apple

3:46

or Spotify, or or any other

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distribution channel like that. It's

3:52

also available on our platform

3:54

with realm dot f m. And

3:57

more importantly though, it's

3:59

in addition to being a fiction podcast,

4:02

it's the official continuation

4:04

of the orphan black TV series. And

4:06

I

4:06

can't understate that, you know,

4:08

in in any way. I can't can't

4:10

overstate that. It's

4:14

hugely gratifying

4:17

that we get the

4:19

approval and support

4:22

of the folks behind the orphan

4:24

black TV show. And that we got

4:26

the original cast to join

4:28

us in producing these. It's

4:30

not healthy stories.

4:32

Yeah. So can you kind of tell us, like, your

4:34

origin story? Like, where did you come into the

4:36

project? And

4:38

Like, when did you start working on it?

4:41

And, like, what was the process like at that point?

4:43

Right. So I came

4:45

in right about in the middle of the

4:47

development of season one. Another

4:50

producer had started out the project, but

4:52

they left the company and

4:54

I was the new guy, so I

4:56

was asked to step in and and take over. And

4:58

I was like, I get to work

5:00

on orphan black. That's freaking amazing.

5:02

So so so yeah,

5:04

the the the story of the

5:06

first season was already,

5:08

you know, broken down and

5:10

and know, we had we

5:12

had drafted it in. And I came

5:14

in basically to help

5:16

incorporate the studio

5:19

notes that were coming in to,

5:22

you know, work through any remaining wrinkles

5:24

and storyline, tighten

5:26

up some spots. You know, basically, I've been I

5:29

I tried my best to support the

5:31

writers in a project where I was,

5:33

like, you know, coming in, in the middle. But

5:35

we were they were the writers

5:37

were fantastic to work with. We had a

5:39

wonderful time. And, you know, we

5:41

were, you know, super jazzed

5:44

when when we finally got the word

5:47

that Tatiana Masladi

5:49

was going to be narrating the project.

5:51

And that just like set a

5:53

new fire under everyone. And, you

5:56

know, we we

5:57

excitedly, you know, saw

6:00

saw the project through the finish line.

6:03

Yeah. That was one of my questions was

6:06

if you were, like, a fan of Working

6:08

Black before you started

6:09

working with the project. Oh my god. I

6:11

was there I was

6:13

there in front of my TV on March

6:15

thirtieth twenty thirteen to

6:17

watch the premiere of the first episode

6:20

and I stuck with it right to the end. And

6:22

I I went to work. I

6:24

was working at tour books at the time, and I

6:26

was telling my colleagues there. You guys

6:28

gotta watch the show. You're not gonna

6:30

believe how cool it is. And

6:33

when I mean, some of them took longer than

6:35

others to give it a try, but and

6:37

without exception, every time someone

6:40

did, they'd come back to me and say, oh my god. You

6:42

were right. This is this is probably probably

6:44

cool. So yeah. So

6:46

so big fan of the TV

6:48

series and, you know, that

6:50

stayed with me through working

6:52

on the podcast.

6:55

So

6:55

do you feel like that really impacted your

6:57

work on the show, like being a fan already?

7:00

Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. I

7:02

mean, you know, III

7:04

was invested in the story of these

7:06

characters, you know. And and and I

7:08

gotta say the writers are too. I mean,

7:10

all the writers were fans of the

7:12

of the TV series. And all of them

7:15

were invested in these characters and their

7:17

stories. And we all, you

7:19

know, worked very hard to try to

7:21

you know, bring

7:23

bring that enthusiasm into the

7:25

project and do right by it,

7:27

you know. Because it was it was something very

7:29

important to us personally. And so, you

7:31

know, we were we were excited to be able

7:33

to, you know, apply that enthusiasm

7:35

professionally. Yeah.

7:38

For anyone joining, we're talking about or

7:40

from Black, the next chapter of the podcast.

7:43

And you can find out wherever you get your podcast, so

7:45

you can just search and you'll find

7:47

it. My next

7:49

question that I have for you was, what are

7:51

kind of like the processes behind the

7:53

behind the scenes that maybe people don't know

7:55

go

7:55

into, like, making that show like this.

7:58

Right. So so we we

8:00

approached this particular series in

8:02

much the same way you

8:04

approach production of of a TV

8:06

show. We, you know, we start out with a concept

8:09

that gets, you know, that that that

8:11

that you

8:13

know, get that that we end up

8:15

hiring a writer's room

8:18

to to develop further

8:22

you know, AAA writer's room basically

8:25

means we've got, like, five or six writers

8:27

all working together collaboratively to

8:30

put the story together and and flesh it out

8:32

and and, you

8:34

know, make sure everything fits together

8:36

properly. We took notes from studio

8:39

execs because this is their property

8:41

and, you know, they get to bet every

8:43

word that we put out there. And,

8:46

you know, it was a

8:48

matter of drafting, redrafting,

8:51

pruning you

8:53

know, pumping up. We

8:55

did we did everything we needed to do

8:58

over over several months.

9:00

I think Yeah. Over a

9:02

number of months to make sure the

9:04

project was as good as it could be. And then, you

9:06

know, beyond that, once the

9:08

once the script is finalized, we

9:11

send it off to to

9:13

production for,

9:15

you know, copy editing and and

9:17

proofreading and then off

9:19

to audio. For audio production.

9:21

You know, we got the casting, which

9:23

we got that we that we the dream

9:26

casting we wanted And

9:29

yeah. And then, you know, the project at that point,

9:31

you know, kind of steps out of the

9:33

hands of the writer's writer or

9:35

the producer and and goes

9:37

into the domain of

9:39

of the audio department. Although, I

9:41

I remained involved you know,

9:44

to help make sure everything,

9:47

you know, stay on track and

9:49

move forward. Yeah. That was

9:51

what I that was my next question. What does it

9:53

mean to be a producer on a

9:55

podcast? It's basically hurting

9:57

cats. I mean, you know, in a nutshell,

9:59

but I more

10:01

more specifically, I mean, you've

10:03

got you've got you've got to

10:06

you're there from the very

10:08

beginning to the very end, making

10:11

sure that, you know,

10:14

everything that needs to be done, gets done,

10:18

that, you know, the the writers

10:20

are all, you

10:22

know, on the same

10:24

page that

10:27

the, you know, the

10:29

schedules maintained. Everything the you know, the trains

10:31

are running on time. You gotta make sure the trains are

10:33

running on time and one of these projects.

10:36

And and, yeah,

10:38

being the producer is just, you

10:41

know, staying on top of it

10:43

all as best you can, you know. And in

10:45

the case of something like this, of course,

10:47

you've got the adding pressure of, you

10:49

know, it's not just the

10:51

writers and me and Realm that

10:53

needs to, you know,

10:55

be happy with the project. We also have to

10:57

make the owners of orphan black happy

11:00

and the fans, you know, the the

11:02

fans are are awesome

11:04

and they'll tell you when

11:06

something isn't right. You know, and we're

11:08

we're very sensitive to that.

11:10

I wanna add though that even,

11:12

you know, talking about my

11:14

job as a producer, I'd be nowhere

11:17

without my colleagues at Realm. I

11:19

mean, they are the most awesome team

11:21

imaginable, and they are so supportive

11:23

and so ready to pitch in and

11:26

they all know their jobs. They they you know,

11:28

from the content team to the

11:30

audio department to the production

11:32

department, the audience development

11:35

team, the the executive team,

11:37

they're all fantastic colleagues

11:39

and and, you know, they're they're

11:41

as much a reason as anyone

11:44

for for this show making it

11:46

to to to

11:48

to where it is

11:49

now. Yeah. Yeah. And it

11:51

changed a lot. Like, for anyone who hasn't

11:53

listened, the first season was completely

11:55

narrated by Tatiana and she

11:58

did everything. She did the coronavices. She narrated. She

12:00

did all the other voices. But

12:02

for season two, Evelyn

12:05

Christian and Jordan all joined. Can you talk a

12:07

little bit about, like, how that all came to

12:09

be? Because it's pretty cool.

12:10

So so you

12:14

know, anyone and

12:16

it doesn't matter if you've listened to,

12:18

you know, the first season or not.

12:20

What's important to know is that

12:22

Tatiana did everything in

12:24

season one. She she and this was,

12:26

you know, written as long form

12:28

prose. It wasn't written as an

12:30

audio drama script. That's

12:33

what we ended up doing in season two.

12:35

But in the long form prose version

12:37

of of season one, she did

12:39

everything. She read it from start to finish,

12:41

she did all the characters whether they were

12:43

clones or not, you know.

12:45

And and it was a lot of work.

12:47

And it was you know, an

12:50

incredible lift for her, but she

12:52

did it like like like a

12:54

trooper. She was absolutely

12:56

amazing. But I

12:59

think there were two factors that played

13:01

into the changes we made in season two. One

13:03

is we well, three factors. One

13:05

is we decided to to move into audio

13:07

drama. Right? Serial

13:09

box became realm and

13:11

we we started to to

13:15

redefine our approach to this sort of material.

13:17

So we knew we wanted to do it as an audio

13:19

drama. And

13:22

we knew we wanted to make it a little easier

13:24

on Tatiana this time. So

13:27

we we decided that it would be

13:29

fun to just take take things up a

13:31

notch with season two.

13:33

We going to do it as an audio drama

13:35

to bring in cast members from

13:37

the show to join to Tien tsin

13:39

in repricing their roles. And that included

13:42

at first, just Jordan

13:44

and Evelyn. And then

13:47

we we kind of snuck

13:49

in Christian

13:51

toward the end to

13:54

really to really amp things up,

13:56

and they've just been absolutely

13:58

fantastic working together again. They

14:00

work separately but together. You know, they're

14:02

all they're all working from the same

14:04

script, but they're all recording the

14:06

stories in different places. So

14:08

it's it's fun that that they actually

14:11

they don't get to play off each other, which

14:13

is kind of interesting. They're used to playing off

14:15

each other, but this is a situation

14:17

where they have to pretend to play off each

14:19

other and we have to fit their their

14:21

their recordings together. And and

14:23

that's that's been an awesome

14:25

thing to to watch unfold, I have

14:27

to

14:27

say. Just reminding

14:30

everybody who's joining and wondering what's

14:32

going on. We're talking about orphan black, the

14:34

next chapter podcast. There's two

14:37

seasons available. Episode three of

14:39

season two is out today, and

14:41

it's free wherever you get your podcast so you

14:43

can go. Go listen.

14:45

And if you're if you haven't heard of it at

14:47

all, and this is your first time you

14:48

have, like, quite a lot in store for you so you

14:50

can binge. Yeah. So

14:51

at least turn it

14:52

back in it's really a lot of fun. If you're a

14:54

fan of the show, I think you're gonna be a fan of

14:56

the podcast. You

14:59

mentioned the fans earlier

15:01

and it's like how obviously,

15:03

we want the fans to be

15:04

happy. Did you feel like, do you feel the

15:06

pressure of the fans? Like, how how

15:08

does that, like, impact when you're

15:10

making the show? Okay. Well, I

15:12

mean, I'm okay. A full

15:14

disclosure. This is not my first rodeo

15:16

with respect to, like, you know,

15:19

working on properties that have

15:21

been produced on TV or

15:23

movies and and turned them into something else. I

15:25

used to work on Star Trek novels. I've

15:28

done video games you know,

15:30

resident evil and world of warcraft. And,

15:32

you know, one of the things you get

15:35

that gets drilled into you in

15:38

in in working on the

15:41

third party IP, that's what we call

15:43

it, or media tie ins.

15:46

Is that you you have

15:48

you definitely have to be mindful

15:51

of, you know, who the audience

15:53

is and what they like about

15:56

the original property. And then you have to do

15:58

your best to try to bring that

16:00

to the work that you're doing. It's

16:03

It's nothing faint of heart, because,

16:06

like I said earlier, you know, the fans are not

16:08

hesitant about pointing out when you screw

16:10

up. You know? But but

16:12

we but in the case in the particular case

16:14

of Worth and Black, you know,

16:16

the the the share amount of

16:18

support that we got from all quarters,

16:20

whether it was, you know, the

16:22

the the studio or or

16:24

the cast itself, it

16:27

it was absolutely fantastic. The

16:29

the you know, when the actors have notes

16:32

about, you know, whether or not their character

16:34

would actually say a certain line, we

16:36

were like, yeah, okay. I mean, you know

16:38

better than we do, and we'll we'll

16:40

we'll we'll take that note. So

16:43

so it was a truly

16:45

collaborative process. And and,

16:48

yeah, you know, I think I

16:50

think the fans

16:52

will will come to understand that that

16:54

we really did this

16:56

with love and not and

16:57

not, you know, not

17:00

not just as a job. Yeah.

17:03

Someone actually, one of the fans just ask,

17:05

what are some challenges of

17:07

doing a podcast that fans

17:09

might not understand

17:11

or

17:11

recognize? Yeah. Well,

17:14

that that that's true about any

17:16

third party IT project that you work

17:18

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17:21

the widest audience possible when you do

17:23

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17:25

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17:27

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17:29

TV show. What I think

17:32

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17:34

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17:36

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17:39

season one of the next chapter and and

17:41

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17:44

exposure to orphan black. You know,

17:46

it wouldn't it wouldn't take you

17:48

long to figure out what

17:50

the situation was and and

17:52

and where it came from. We we do we

17:54

do a fair amount of referencing to things that

17:56

happened on the TV show to kind of

17:58

ground people in the world that they're

18:00

in. So So, yeah, I

18:02

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18:04

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Are

20:01

there are there things you can kinda tease

20:03

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20:05

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20:09

Like, what would what,

20:09

like, what can you tell them that might entice

20:12

them to be like? Yeah. Well, it's

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it's it the the podcast is set

20:16

eight years after the end of the

20:18

TV series. everybody's a little

20:20

older. And

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You know, some of them Some

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that was a really interesting thing

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probably some of the some of the hardest

20:56

changes to her character since

21:00

the end of the

21:02

TV series. But she also remained

21:04

racial throughout it. And

21:06

when we catch up to her, you

21:08

know, we kinda see

21:11

you know, a hint of of

21:13

of that journey that that she's

21:15

she's been on. And in

21:18

in season two, we

21:20

actually, like, explore that way further. She's she

21:23

has a much bigger role in

21:26

in in season two. And

21:28

there were some scenes coming up that I just

21:30

can't wait for people to

21:33

listen to because they're

21:35

they're they're just they're just amazing

21:37

in the way that they, you

21:41

know, show the evolution of her character and a

21:43

lot of the other characters.

21:46

Yeah. We had so for anyone

21:48

who might have missed it, we did, like, a reunion

21:50

panel with the cast a

21:53

few weeks ago. And you can find

21:55

it on YouTube. And one of

21:57

the questions that they asked the

21:59

cast was, like, were you surprised by any

22:01

places, like, where your characters went?

22:04

gonna ask you the same thing where you since

22:06

you were a

22:06

fan, were you kind of like, was there any

22:09

surprises when you were working on season one?

22:11

You're like, oh, this is or

22:13

or maybe like Just the fact just the fact

22:15

that that it was being set

22:17

eight years later. You know,

22:19

that that has huge implications

22:21

for for a couple of characters like

22:24

Kiera and Charlotte, who in the TV

22:26

series were children.

22:28

And in our

22:32

podcast, they are, you know, older

22:34

teenagers now. So

22:36

so them, you know, writing those

22:38

characters as adults

22:40

and figuring out, you know, where

22:42

they were in their lives was

22:46

was really a revelation to

22:48

me, particularly given the role that

22:50

they play in you know,

22:52

I mean, I mean, season

22:54

one I don't know. Should I

22:56

spoil this guy? I may as well.

22:58

You're season one. There's a big game

23:01

changer, which is that the

23:03

clones are exposed to the world.

23:05

Everybody knows that they exist. And

23:07

it happens about halfway through the season.

23:11

And there's lots of other stuff going down. So

23:13

there isn't a lot of time to explore

23:15

the fallout of that. That's what Season

23:17

two is about. But

23:19

what is interesting about the

23:21

the close become, you being

23:23

revealed and being exposed to the world is

23:25

that it it was Kira and

23:28

Rachel who chose

23:30

to make that happen without, you know,

23:32

getting the consent of

23:34

the Sestras or any

23:36

other clones who ended up being exposed

23:38

to the process. And,

23:41

yeah, it it was AAAA

23:44

huge involuntary outing of

23:46

nearly three hundred women and

23:49

and

23:50

Season two is

23:53

really digging deep

23:55

into that. So,

23:57

I guess, this is, like, also a slight spoiler, but

23:59

someone asked a question about Cassima

24:02

and Delphine being parents. This is

24:04

Susan too. And Are

24:06

we gonna see, like, any more insight

24:09

into them as parents?

24:10

Oh, yes. Oh, yes.

24:12

There there's really there's

24:15

there's Couple of really beautiful scenes

24:17

coming up about that. I

24:19

don't want to spoil it too much.

24:22

They do go let

24:24

me we're we're up to episode three

24:25

now. Mhmm. Yeah. Episode

24:26

three now. Okay. What I'm

24:28

trying to remember when it it's it's

24:30

an episode five that

24:32

they go to a childbirth

24:35

class. And we get to

24:37

see what that's like for them,

24:40

especially given what is

24:42

going on in the world with respect to

24:43

clothes. Howard

24:44

Bauchner: So someone asks where

24:47

you can listen to the podcast and

24:49

you can get it anywhere that you

24:51

can find podcasts. You can do, Apple's, Spotify,

24:54

any of your podcatcher kind of apps

24:56

that you use should work on

24:58

YouTube. So anywhere on

25:00

there, you just search orphan black in the next

25:02

chapter, you should find it pretty

25:04

easily. So okay.

25:07

Another I think this is my last question for you,

25:09

and then we'll take we'll take more, like,

25:11

audio question, so people are sending things.

25:14

But what other like,

25:16

what other podcasts you working on

25:18

-- Oh, wow. -- that that that CLONE Club might

25:21

be

25:21

like, sure. I won't listen to this.

25:24

Well, you know, Earlier

25:26

this year, I did another

25:29

MediaTiny project called Batman the

25:31

Blind Cut, which is

25:33

about the Batman Catheter. And he

25:35

in a he teams up with

25:38

the one of the

25:40

magical characters in the DC universe,

25:42

Thomas. And, you know, zatana and Batman in the

25:44

story are on equal footing. And in

25:46

some ways, I think, you know, because it's a

25:48

magical problem that they're facing. Zatana really

25:51

has the edge John. I'm back, ma'am.

25:53

But it's an awesome story by

25:55

Catherine and Valenti, Martin

25:57

Cahill and Kay

25:59

Arsenal Rivera. And, yeah,

26:01

that's that's available only on realms

26:03

platform. So please

26:05

subscribe to that if if you're

26:07

interested in that story. But

26:09

in terms of other podcasts, we've

26:12

also I also started

26:15

recently hosting Tales Beyond

26:17

Time, which is an anthology show

26:20

that features, you

26:22

know, short fiction that

26:25

realm picked up over the course of

26:27

twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. And

26:29

now we've, you know, we've

26:31

got about a hundred thirty stories

26:33

approximately that we're

26:35

we're going to be releasing a

26:37

podcast form. And the show,

26:39

again, is called Tails Beyond Time, and I'm the host.

26:41

I'm basically, you know, the rock

26:43

cirling of of our particular, Twadlitza.

26:46

Yeah.

26:46

And I think, you know, people who, like, work

26:49

from black, like, sci fi and,

26:51

like, sci fi things that make you

26:52

think, and a lot of these stories are, like,

26:54

those

26:54

kinds of stories. Yeah. Literally, like, in

26:57

all five degrees.

26:58

I I definitely think I definitely

27:00

think that the orphan

27:02

black audience will get a lot

27:05

out of the stories that I

27:07

was able to curate for tales beyond

27:09

time. They're they're

27:11

they're really thought provoking their they're

27:15

diverse. They they ask a lot of

27:17

uncomfortable questions. A lot of the

27:19

times, they don't always answer

27:21

them. But, you know, that's how you start conversations.

27:23

It's just by asking questions and and

27:25

that's important. And the writers we've

27:27

got are just amazing. We've

27:29

got, you know, writers like

27:31

Max Gladstone excuse me Max

27:34

Gladstone, PJL Clark,

27:36

Katholenti, Kate

27:39

Elliott, Isabel GAAP

27:42

ten nanometer review.

27:44

I mean, I can go on and on -- Yeah.

27:46

-- a lot of really

27:49

amazing talented writers. Ken

27:51

Lu, we got George

27:53

DeKay, narrated a couple of Ken Lu

27:55

story stories for us. They were in

27:57

episode two. Yeah. This horror, science

27:59

fiction, and fantasy. It's a it's

28:01

it's a fun show to work on and, yeah, I

28:03

hope people will try it. Because

28:05

there's a lot of really awesome material in

28:07

it. Someone said

28:09

thank you for the podcast. So thank you for

28:12

the

28:12

podcast, Marcon. You're welcome.

28:14

For anyone who just anyone who just joined,

28:16

we're talking about Orkin Black The Next Chapter,

28:18

the official continuation podcast

28:20

of the show. There's two seasons out now.

28:22

So if you haven't, listen

28:24

to the first season, which Tatiana and Eric did the whole thing and you're

28:26

just like, I wanna listen to Tatiana, talk

28:29

to me that

28:31

you can binge the whole saying

28:33

hours of touching on his voice in your

28:35

ear. And then for season two,

28:37

Christian and Evelyn and Jordan

28:39

also joined. And it's like it's super fun

28:41

to see them Like, we have

28:43

some behind the scenes videos that that

28:45

are gonna come out and it's

28:47

pretty cool to see them back doing

28:49

their

28:49

characters. Yeah. It really is.

28:51

I mean, I gotta tell you, I you know, part

28:53

of my job is to

28:56

listen to, you know, the first draft

28:58

audio cuts. That we make of the episodes,

29:00

with the, you know, sound effects of the

29:02

music ad again, all the audio splice

29:04

together, and the rush

29:06

that I get from

29:08

seeing this story performed

29:10

by the orphaned black cast.

29:12

It never died. Every

29:15

new episode I get to listen

29:17

to, I get such a rush

29:20

hearing hearing these guys

29:22

working together

29:23

again. It's really wild,

29:24

especially knowing I had

29:25

a hand in it.

29:27

Yeah. I mean, that's pretty cool,

29:29

especially since you're a fan

29:31

of the show. Totally. This

29:33

this could

29:34

be, like, a controversial question. But do you have,

29:36

like, a favorite clown or a character that you're

29:39

Wow. But you know

29:41

I mean, there are no brands. That that's

29:44

that's the worst question to ask nor from

29:46

black fan, which is If you don't have I

29:48

know. Everybody maybe it doesn't have to be

29:51

a be a noncomb. Wow.

29:53

They're all so awesome. I mean,

29:55

you know, I mean, they're

29:58

they're just What about what about the new clones?

30:00

There's a few new

30:02

clones. We do have new clones. Right?

30:04

I mean, often black made a

30:06

tradition of introducing new

30:08

clones, you know, us aside from the

30:10

main ones in clone club

30:12

every season. So so

30:14

we we figured it was important for

30:16

us to do the same. So in season

30:18

one, we introduced Vivi

30:21

Baldez, who's an American loan

30:23

from a younger generation that was grown in the

30:25

United States.

30:29

And she you

30:32

know, the CIA agent who

30:34

is in Toronto on

30:36

an assignment before she

30:39

finds out what she is And,

30:42

you know, season one explores a

30:44

lot of, you know, her journey

30:46

in finding who she is and

30:48

and and meeting you know, clone

30:51

club and and realizing she

30:53

doesn't really like them and

30:55

doesn't really, you know, appreciate

30:57

the fact that that, you

30:59

know, they they do things

31:01

the way they do. You know, because she's looking

31:03

at at the situation from a completely

31:05

different perspective and has her own priorities

31:08

and you know, she's not she's

31:10

in season one, she's not really a

31:12

team player. And and

31:14

and basically, you know, does her own

31:16

thing. In season two,

31:19

we get to introduce a,

31:24

you know, AAAA

31:26

wellness guru who's a clone

31:28

named life Winston. And

31:31

she's this

31:34

isn't spoiling things, I think, to

31:36

say that she's she's our primary antagonist

31:38

in season two. Although, you know,

31:40

it may not be super obvious, you

31:43

know, in, you

31:46

know, at episode three where we are

31:48

right now. But it's also not much of a spoiler to

31:50

say. She's the

31:52

primary antagonist. And revealing

31:56

more and more about her as

31:59

the series as the season

32:01

unfolds is really cool.

32:03

She's got an interesting story. think

32:05

fans are gonna enjoy learning what

32:07

that story is. One other

32:09

interesting tidbit about the

32:11

clones in season two.

32:14

There are there are

32:17

about twenty between

32:19

twenty two and twenty five

32:22

different clones with

32:24

speaking roles in the season,

32:26

and Tatiana does them all. And,

32:28

you know, unsurprisingly,

32:30

of course. But She she she

32:33

manages to differentiate all

32:35

of them with with different

32:37

accents and different different

32:40

timbers and and affectations. It's

32:43

it's it's some miracle to

32:45

to to

32:46

hear. I was about to say it's a miracle to

32:48

watch, but of course. Do that.

32:50

So did you get do you do the writers give

32:52

her any kind of, like, guidance as to,

32:54

like, what the clone might sound

32:56

like? I can't remember. I I feel

32:58

like I mean, you know, this question We

33:00

we had some discussions in the writer's

33:02

room about, you know, what what what

33:05

the clone's personality what the new clone's

33:07

personalities were like and and what

33:09

their attitudes were, you

33:11

know, what their what their accents might

33:13

be. And and we,

33:15

you know, communicated those when

33:17

we transmitted the

33:19

the script for audio.

33:23

But even even so, you know, that there there

33:25

are questions that, you know, get

33:27

asked along the,

33:29

you know, later in the process that, you know,

33:31

we didn't prepare answers for us. We had to make them

33:33

up on the fly. Like, you you

33:35

know, Natalie, we need to figure out what what kind

33:37

of voice to give Natalie who is blinds the

33:39

system. And I

33:42

had to think of

33:44

you know,

33:44

what to do what

33:47

what what what she what we what does Guyana

33:49

could do to differentiate her voice that

33:51

wouldn't require a lot of effort?

33:53

Because we didn't wanna make it super hard for her

33:55

to do to do these ancillary characters.

33:58

So I I suggested, I think, on

34:00

the fly that, you know, give

34:02

her a slight southern accent, which

34:04

I I don't yeah. III I'm

34:06

I'm still pretty sure if Tatiana hasn't done

34:08

a clone with southern accent before.

34:11

So this felt, you know, like, a

34:13

good way to to differentiate this

34:15

particular character from the others. I like that

34:17

you thought that wouldn't be hard. Like, I

34:19

would be like excuse me?

34:22

Well, I mean, you

34:23

know, she doesn't have that many lines. She just

34:25

needs to give it, you know, a

34:27

a slight little Right? I mean -- Yeah. --

34:29

but yeah. Yeah. So we you

34:31

know, again, she and Natalie is an

34:33

ancillary character, not not not

34:35

a primary one.

34:37

So Yeah. Someone someone

34:38

in the comments said they like Natalie.

34:40

Yeah.

34:40

Yeah. I'm glad to hear that.

34:43

You know, III I'm

34:45

yeah. I I I'll be very interested to

34:48

know, you know, as

34:50

as the audience, you know, gives

34:52

us feedback, you know, which characters

34:55

they like which ones didn't work for them, all that

34:57

stuff, because that's that's valuable feedback,

34:59

and we love hearing

35:02

about it. But that's

35:04

something else I wanted to say about that, and I can't

35:06

remember what it is.

35:07

Yeah.

35:07

But Lots of them.

35:09

I mean, completely obviously, lots of comments talking about how great

35:11

Tatiana is, which we all agree.

35:14

Mhmm. But

35:16

do, like,

35:18

It does seem like it would be extra challenging for her to

35:21

differentiate between the clones with her voice

35:23

only when she doesn't have

35:26

the extra things. Do you feel like do you feel like

35:29

it's

35:30

I mean, it's definitely not

35:33

I don't know. I'm I don't know

35:35

how she could possibly do it with

35:37

that. Like, but, like, because people like,

35:39

even today, I someone tweeted and they

35:41

were, like, I don't understand how she's voicing all these

35:43

questions, and it's, like, literally just her voice. Well,

35:46

you you know, it's funny you should say that because in

35:48

episode three, there's a moment where, you know,

35:50

there's the clone call.

35:52

And all the different all everybody

35:54

in in clone club is talking to each

35:56

other on a on a video chat.

35:58

And just listening to them

36:00

talking back and forth in rapid

36:03

succession. It was just one of

36:05

the while just listening experiences

36:07

I'd ever had because I realized, that's the only

36:09

one person. You know? And

36:12

but but the way the way I believe

36:15

I hope I'm getting this right because, you know, I'm

36:17

not in the audio department and not not there for

36:19

the nuts and bolts of that. But the way I

36:21

I believe Tatiana has said that it

36:23

was done is that she basically

36:26

recorded all

36:28

the SAAR lines in one Yeah.

36:30

Shot and then all the Rachel lines and all the casino lines etcetera etcetera

36:33

so that she could stay in

36:35

the voice without, you know, without having

36:37

to shift back and forth. So

36:40

so I think that's, you know,

36:42

that's the way, you know, it had to work.

36:44

Because because the the idea

36:46

of her trying to switch back and

36:49

forth during a clone

36:52

call. You know? Yeah.

36:54

I mean, I I would leave to

36:56

layoffs, she could pull

36:58

it off. But she shouldn't have

36:59

to. Right? I mean, we should try to make this as easy

37:01

for her as possible. But now I'm

37:03

just

37:03

imagining her

37:06

doing it. Imagine we're doing it on TV. That would be really

37:08

good.

37:09

Wow. Someone asked bring bring

37:12

back on.

37:14

Yeah. Yeah.

37:14

Just, like, go really quick. It's, like, SNL, but, like just right.

37:17

Right. Right. Right. She needs

37:19

to get on SNL.

37:21

She definitely needs to get on. Someone said

37:22

that was one of the best scenes

37:25

in episode three. Yeah. III

37:28

agree. I liked it a lot.

37:29

And the freeze got a lot going for it. Someone

37:32

someone

37:32

else asked if there's any

37:34

Helena and Delphine scenes. I

37:37

can't remember. China Delfines scenes

37:41

or

37:41

interactions. Maybe at

37:44

the very end. Maybe

37:48

Yes. I think you're right. Thank you for thank

37:50

you for that poke. That that

37:53

yeah. There there there may be there

37:55

may be one at the very end.

37:57

You know, that of the challenging things, of course,

37:59

is that you want to come up with interesting combinations of

38:01

characters, but at the same time, there

38:03

are so many freaking

38:06

characters you know, I mean, this is a huge ensemble.

38:08

You know, even though it's a relatively

38:10

small cast because Tatiana does

38:12

so many of the roles,

38:14

it's a it's a huge ensemble cast. And, you know, we have

38:17

to we have to make sure

38:20

that, you know, we do

38:22

justice to as

38:24

many of them or all of them as we

38:27

can. So, you know, it's

38:29

not always possible

38:32

to find you

38:34

know, favorite

38:36

combinations that that, you know, we

38:38

can create a scene

38:39

for. Does it has to it has to serve the

38:41

story? And that's what we put first.

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39:43

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39:46

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39:52

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you can listen to it. And so there's

40:00

two seasons. We're in the middle of season

40:02

two right now. Someone

40:06

asked if there was, like, a clone from the I

40:08

think it was a clone specifically from the

40:10

show that you wish you

40:12

had been able

40:13

to, like, utilize

40:16

in the podcast? Well,

40:20

Crystal didn't get to make

40:22

an appearance in season Sorry,

40:25

Crystal fans. I'm spoiling that now. I would have

40:27

loved to bring her back. We managed

40:29

to work her into the

40:33

season one epilogue when we brought

40:35

back Jordan to do, like, one little

40:37

bit at the very, very end. It

40:39

was, like, a quota to

40:41

to the entire season. And and

40:44

Crystal was the clone

40:46

featured in that scene. I would

40:48

have liked to have utilized her again in season two, but we

40:50

didn't we didn't find,

40:52

you know, the we didn't find

40:54

a way to fit her in.

40:56

Which yeah. That that that's probably my

40:58

one regret in that

40:59

regard. Are there

41:01

any specific,

41:03

like, character interactions like that one person wanted to know about

41:06

Helane and Delfin. Are there any favorites that you

41:08

have? Like, that you were like, I just really wanted

41:10

to see these

41:10

two. I'm like really happy we got to

41:13

get to see these two characters I was

41:15

I was made to to

41:17

realize recently. I didn't III

41:19

can't say credit for this observation.

41:21

It never occurred to me. Before.

41:24

But I was made to realize

41:26

recently that

41:28

Rachel and Helena have never

41:31

had a scene together, at least that I can't

41:33

recall that I can recall. I would love to

41:35

see the two of them had a

41:37

scene together. But again, that's not gonna

41:39

happen in season two either, I'm afraid. But but,

41:42

yeah, that's that's that's that's an interesting

41:44

pairing,

41:45

I think. I really

41:48

liked I think it's an episode to the

41:50

casino and Rachel scenes

41:52

at the when they're on the

41:54

TV

41:54

show, like the morning show together. Yeah.

41:56

Yeah.

41:57

Yeah. Those were just fun. Yeah. I I

41:59

enjoyed, you know, when

42:01

when those sequences were

42:04

being written, I really enjoyed

42:06

reading them and listening to

42:08

them performed. I think

42:10

it was really gratifying because

42:13

we we thought, yeah, this this is an interesting

42:15

moment because, again, it's it

42:18

it it it was another

42:20

glimpse into Rachel Zabelle Duchenne, but at the same

42:22

time, it all you know, and it's a moment

42:24

of life surprise for Cassina because,

42:26

you know, she's not used to, you

42:30

know, Rachel you know,

42:32

trying to having

42:34

to her defense. You know?

42:37

It's not it's not it's not it's not

42:39

what she's known for. And but but, you know, eight years

42:41

have gone by. You know, you mentioned earlier about,

42:43

you know, the way characters have changed.

42:46

I I

42:48

wanna remind I think it's good to remind the audience that when you're doing the

42:50

story set eight years after the

42:52

characters were last seen, we have to

42:54

come we have

42:56

to expect you know, a certain amount of evolution. You know, you

42:58

wanna make and that's and that's the time

43:00

rope you have to walk, writing and and

43:02

producing a show

43:04

like this, is you want the characters to

43:06

be familiar and relatable,

43:08

but you also don't want people to think

43:10

that they've just been stagnating for a year.

43:14

You know, and remaining exactly.

43:15

Right. You know,

43:15

so it's it's a it's a fine line to

43:18

walk, but I think I think our writers pulled

43:20

it off.

43:21

I think so too. I love season

43:24

two. Right. I'm excited

43:26

for everyone to hear it. Is there you've you've

43:28

already teased a lot about season

43:29

two. Is there anything

43:31

else that we haven't talked about. Like, we talked a little bit about

43:33

casino and scenes that I Right.

43:36

I I yeah.

43:38

I I want people to to look

43:42

forward to

43:45

from really, really what I think

43:47

are really, really beautiful and and powerful character

43:50

moments for a lot of these

43:52

characters. You mentioned casino and Rachel

43:54

on television, They

43:56

have another moment coming up together that I can't wait

43:58

for people to to to listen

44:01

to. There's some great Helena

44:03

stuff coming down

44:06

the pipe. There's some awesome Sarah's

44:08

stuff. And and

44:12

and, again, Rachel,

44:14

we we made

44:16

up for, you know, the

44:18

the scarcity of Rachel in season

44:21

one. And, you know, not that she takes Socrates

44:23

into it by any stretch. She get she

44:25

does get more airtime and

44:28

what there is of her

44:30

is is pretty

44:31

awesome, I think. Somebody

44:32

asked if Art and Priyanka

44:33

are a couple in season

44:35

two. If what? If

44:37

Art and

44:37

Priyanka are a couple.

44:40

Oh, yes. They are. They are

44:42

still a couple. That's what I thought. I

44:43

thought so. Oh, there was some

44:46

mention that it's it's to

44:48

Joshua. It's it's

44:50

Joshua. That

44:52

his his girlfriend's name is Joshua.

44:55

Oh, right. Yep. I mean, that's

44:57

that's

44:57

that's that's RJ, either

45:00

way.

45:01

Yeah. Cool. Oh, some people said

45:03

they like what they're

45:06

hearing. Great.

45:06

You like me. You can

45:07

find we're kinda running at it.

45:10

We're we're at the end of our time here, but

45:13

We're ready. Wow.

45:15

But I know. Yeah. Oh, there's so much to talk

45:18

about. So maybe we're gonna

45:20

we're gonna try to have some more of these throughout the

45:22

season. Awesome.

45:24

And get to keep talking about as the season goes because there's

45:26

only three episodes out so

45:27

far, so there's still a lot

45:29

to happen. Okay. I hope people

45:31

keep listening because it

45:34

it keeps getting better and better this

45:36

season. III can't wait for

45:38

them to listen to the rest

45:40

of it. And and, yeah,

45:42

please, you know, reach

45:44

out to reach out to realm or to

45:46

me on Twitter. Let us know what you

45:48

think. You know, the the Twitter account for Realm is Realm Media,

45:50

and my Twitter handle is

45:53

m x Palmieri.

45:56

Yeah. And

45:56

we're on Instagram too. Obviously, Marco is

45:59

on the realm account. So if you

46:01

follow us there, we have more orphan

46:03

black content coming up for

46:05

sure. And for anyone who

46:08

didn't hear, we're talking about

46:10

orphan black. The next chapter podcast, you can

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look anywhere you get podcasts. You

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can just Google it, you know, put it

46:15

in. You'll fit you'll find it

46:17

working black

46:18

podcasts. Any of those ways, you can

46:20

find it.

46:21

Listen, the whole first season, Mary,

46:23

by Tatiana, and then season two has

46:25

Christian and Evelyn

46:28

and also, and it's just like full cast and it's

46:30

awesome. So I hope anybody who

46:32

didn't know about it now

46:33

checks it

46:34

out. And thanks Marco

46:36

for taking the time and answering everyone's questions.

46:38

Thank you. This was a lot of fun.

46:40

And thanks, everybody, who joined who

46:42

joined in to listen to me,

46:44

Yamaroz. Yeah. And thanks for

46:46

all the questions. Like, such great questions

46:48

and comments and Yes. Thank you.

46:50

I hope everyone has a great

46:51

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46:55

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47:39

right then. Come you're okay. Brace

47:41

yourself my love. Crash impact is

47:43

projected as what?

47:48

Fatal.

47:48

I'll dampen your pain. No. No. No.

47:50

No. No. Give me a alert. If we

47:52

only have two minutes I want two minutes

47:54

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47:57

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48:04

A crash site.

48:06

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48:08

capsule is housed within a Marigold class

48:10

cruiser that crashed at least several decades

48:12

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48:14

How long were we in there?

48:16

Apparently, I'm

48:18

blocking your memory.

48:21

You are?

48:22

Yes. You're doing this. Yes.

48:24

Why? I don't know. Apparently,

48:26

I'm blocking mine as well.

48:31

Burn my

48:33

memories. III don't care. I don't I don't

48:36

wanna feel any of those feelings. I

48:38

wanna move on.

48:39

We can't. Yes,

48:39

we can. Left

48:40

something behind. What

48:42

what does that mean? I

48:44

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48:45

tell you. We'll

48:48

find out who I am. If I'm

48:49

a danger, I won't come back. I'll

48:52

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48:54

What if it's dead now.

48:56

Now. Now. I don't know. I

48:58

don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I

49:00

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49:03

I don't know.

49:05

Unavailable. Then

49:09

then

49:11

where are you? We'll cross this planet a dozen

49:13

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49:16

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49:18

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49:19

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49:22

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