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3:16

Hi, Hey,

3:19

how are you? Thank you so much for

3:21

taking the time to

3:23

talk for anybody joining who doesn't

3:25

know. We're talking about Black The Next Chapter,

3:27

which is the official podcast continuation

3:30

of the show. And a

3:32

couple weeks ago, we had Marco,

3:34

who's the producer, and then And

3:36

then we had Christian who stars

3:38

in season two back as Donnie.

3:41

And so now we have Malka here, one

3:43

of the writers. So it's so great

3:45

to have

3:45

you. It's

3:47

great to be here, and it's always awesome

3:49

to connect with Club Club.

3:52

Yeah. That was actually one question I had was

3:54

was before you started working on orphan

3:56

black next

3:56

chapter, were you already an orphan black fan?

3:59

Like, what was your kind of relationship in

4:01

the beginning. I

4:04

was a huge fan. I

4:06

loved the TV show and that's why when

4:08

Brown came to me and asked me if I'd be interested

4:10

in working on a

4:11

continuation. I was just

4:13

so excited about it. And

4:15

you are you are on both season one and

4:18

season two. Correct? That's

4:19

right. What was the,

4:22

like, process, like, like,

4:24

from when you started, you

4:25

know, whenever realm talk to you about,

4:28

like, joining the project, like, kind of like, what

4:30

where did it go from there? Like, what was the process

4:32

like? So

4:35

they came to me and they wanted to talk first

4:37

about designing a pitch for what the

4:39

season could look like. And they

4:41

had already a couple of parameters

4:43

based on talking with the studio about

4:45

what they want. So we knew it was gonna be

4:48

a while after the end of the TV show, which

4:50

I was actually really happy about because the TV

4:52

show has such a great ending in conclusion.

4:54

And so, you know, I do wanna, like, jump

4:56

right on the end of that. But

4:58

at the same time, you know, having that space

5:01

let us look at where the

5:03

clones were you know, years later,

5:05

let us look at where some of the

5:07

younger clones and also Kira, you

5:09

know, how they were growing up and what

5:11

that was like. And just gave us a lot

5:13

of room to sort of explore how things were

5:15

going later on. So we we looked at how

5:17

we could do that and what we were interested in

5:21

going into that we could go into more depth,

5:23

they're going different directions from the show.

5:25

And, yeah, it's just been such a fun

5:27

process, like working with the other writers, working

5:30

with the producers. It's it's been really

5:32

great. And of

5:32

course, the actors, like, let me not forget

5:35

how amazing it is to be working with

5:37

those actors. Also,

5:40

like, as you mentioned, like, interacting with

5:42

Clone Club, and Clone Club is, like, very passionate.

5:44

Is that do you feel like do

5:46

you feel like there's more pressure on

5:48

you? Because how passionate Club

5:50

is, like, rather than other projects you've worked

5:52

on? You know,

5:54

I can see the potential for that, and I remember

5:57

now when I think about it, like being a little

5:59

nervous about the first season coming out. But

6:01

everyone who's been so supportive and

6:03

so excited and happy to see the

6:05

series. And I know that

6:07

everyone would love to see it on TV again, and

6:09

honestly, of course, I would too. But

6:11

I think everyone's really appreciated

6:13

what we have with this. And and honestly,

6:16

like, there are obviously a lot of straints

6:18

into doing it a whole TV show, especially

6:20

one with the technical difficulties of White

6:22

and Black, that

6:24

doing it as a podcast or radio

6:26

play kind of allows us to go

6:28

in a few different directions and, you

6:30

know, it's not as enormous an

6:32

effort and time sack for the actors. And

6:34

it just it lets us do more stuff that

6:36

I think television right now would be just really,

6:39

really difficult. So I'm really glad that we

6:41

get to continue it this way. And, yeah, the

6:43

Cloverleaf has been incredibly supportive

6:45

And just wanna give a big shout out to

6:48

all of fans. She's

6:53

most tweets and I'm

6:57

really so happy to see this. And I

6:59

know, like, I'm the

7:01

one who wrote Comeniela into that first

7:03

episode. And I was so glad to see

7:05

the appreciation for that and for having

7:08

a Cuban American culturally,

7:10

Cuban American clung. So I appreciate

7:12

seeing all the fans from

7:14

all of the Latino world and

7:17

the Lucerne world. It's just really

7:19

great. Yeah. There's, like, the fan

7:21

base is so international. Like,

7:23

it's it's amazing to see that,

7:25

like, a show could I mean,

7:27

and the show's from Canada, but, like, the

7:29

show that that a show could, like, touch so

7:32

many different people speaking different languages

7:34

from all over the world

7:35

and, like, everyone found something to, like, grab

7:37

onto. Yeah.

7:40

Yeah. I mean, I see lots and lots of other

7:43

fans from other parts of the world too. I've

7:45

seen Turkish and Thai and

7:47

just all over. But because I speak Spanish

7:49

and and can report to you, so I just I

7:51

see those tweets a lot. And so I wanted to

7:54

give a special shout

7:54

out. Yeah. And you can actually read them.

7:57

I unfortunately have to do, like, translate

7:59

tweet, and that's how this is really

8:01

sweet. I

8:03

I had to I had to translate it to

8:05

to read it. So

8:08

for working on like, you worked on

8:10

season one and season two, I'm sure

8:12

season two might have been a little different writer's

8:14

process because of the pandemic. But

8:16

what was the like, did you guys have,

8:18

like, a writer's room? Like, what how

8:20

did you end

8:21

up, like, in breaking out, like, who does what

8:23

scripts and all that kind of stuff?

8:25

So it was a little bit different. It wasn't

8:27

too different because we Typically,

8:30

with realm, what we what we used to do is just

8:33

have one writer's sort of weekend at the

8:35

beginning. And then after that, we'd be mostly

8:37

remote anyway. So we just

8:39

put that that writer's weekend

8:41

remote. And we it was a little different. We

8:43

did have to kind of chop it up a little

8:45

because it's you can't do a weekend an entire

8:47

weekend on Zoom the same way you can if you're,

8:49

like, in a room with a bunch of snacks and

8:51

people will take it continuously.

8:53

Right? And whiteboards and

8:55

lots and lots and lots of experts. So

8:58

it was a little different but not too much

9:00

because like I said, for the other ones,

9:02

for the first episode and the other Rome shows that

9:04

I worked on, we basically

9:06

got together for a weekend. It was very

9:08

intense. But after that, we had

9:10

a general sort of season

9:12

overview and also had divided up

9:14

the episodes amongst the different writers. So

9:16

after that, it was more kind of

9:18

supporting each other through the process, talking

9:20

about new ideas that came up for the

9:22

season of the plot as we went,

9:24

and then bouncing our episodes off each

9:26

other. And You know, I think

9:28

the fun thing about orphan black is

9:30

that all of us who are working on it just love

9:32

the show so much, and we all love the

9:34

characters so much. So, you

9:36

know, when you're writing an episode that

9:38

has Alison and Donnie in it.

9:40

Right? And then you send it out to everyone. And

9:42

everyone's like, Oh, yes. This is

9:44

perfect. You know, it's it's so

9:46

on brand for them. And then what if we

9:48

did this? Oh, you know what? I bet Alison

9:50

would say this. And then, you know, you

9:52

brainstorm with, like, what the fan

9:54

club that Nicknames for Donnie is gonna be.

9:56

And we just we did a lot of this sort of

9:58

back and

9:58

forth. And with this show, because the characters are so

10:01

great. Like, it was just there's a lot of fun

10:03

to go through

10:03

that. Yeah. I

10:04

think it definitely comes through that everyone's a fan

10:07

because it's, like, so much stuff that you're like, wow, fan this

10:09

is what fans would like to see or hear

10:11

or

10:14

Yeah.

10:14

No. We definitely we definitely all are we

10:17

all love show. And

10:18

and, yeah, just I mean, that's when

10:20

I'm writing for it. It's it's, like,

10:23

sort of, the best of both worlds,

10:25

and big slash IP.

10:28

Like, we we're very, very much

10:31

enjoying what we can do. And, you know, I

10:33

think there are things that we could do

10:35

in the podcast that

10:37

would be really hard to do on television. You know, it's

10:39

much easier for us to put all the clums in one

10:41

room. And they did an amazing

10:43

job with that on a television show, but, like,

10:45

we can do it really

10:47

much more easily without going through

10:49

all of the process, the technical process.

10:52

And, you know, we faced some difficulties too

10:54

similarly. I mean, on the television show, just

10:56

need to see someone's face and then

10:58

you know they're a clown and there's an instant

11:01

actor of mystery or creep

11:03

or wonder or whatever it is. And for us,

11:05

you know, you can't describe the

11:07

face in audio to say,

11:09

this person looks just like,

11:11

Tatiana was on me. Right now, you need to,

11:13

like, find ways to have that moment of

11:15

recognition differently. So,

11:17

yeah, there's there were a lot of really,

11:19

really interesting things about

11:22

this process.

11:22

Yeah. So in season one, for

11:25

anyone who doesn't know the

11:27

we're talking about work from Black the next chapter,

11:29

the podcast continuation of the show. And in

11:32

season one, Tatiana does everything.

11:34

She voices all the characters

11:37

like Donnie DelPine, everybody,

11:39

and she does an narration. So for season two,

11:43

Christian and Jordan and

11:45

Evelyn came back and reprise

11:47

their roles. So I wanted to

11:48

know, like, what did you think when you found out this was

11:50

happening? Like like,

11:52

what what did that mean for you guys?

11:55

The writers? Okay. So first,

11:57

when we found out that Tatiana Marzoni was

11:59

gonna be on it for the first season, because we

12:01

didn't know that when we signed on. You know?

12:03

Yeah. That that was agreed

12:05

later. And we were so excited. Like, I

12:07

cannot describe to you the excitement

12:09

in the call when we found

12:11

that out. So that was, you

12:13

know, it obviously and,

12:17

you know, I'm I'm someone who very

12:19

much cares about the

12:21

writing and shows, and I I try not to

12:23

get too hung up on actors, but this

12:26

is a special case. This is

12:28

a really really

12:30

special case where you just really see how

12:32

much the actor contributes to each

12:34

character. And I think everyone has

12:36

listened to the show, can

12:38

tell that she does that just as much

12:40

with her voices as

12:42

with the the visual stuff. It's

12:44

just so incredible and it it meant so

12:46

much to have her be a part of this project

12:48

and have her be adding that

12:51

that amazing just star

12:53

power and craft and everything to

12:55

the characters of both the the ones we

12:57

were reprising and the new ones that we created.

12:59

So that was just fantastic. And

13:01

then when we found out that everyone else was

13:03

gonna be on

13:04

one. And we kind of

13:05

we might have had a little hint because

13:07

Jordan was really

13:10

interested, and so he keep on

13:12

the, like, poster to season one.

13:14

And so we kind of knew there was a possibility that

13:16

we could feel like, which was, you know, awesome.

13:19

And then once we found out that it was

13:21

gonna be all the rest So it was just it was

13:23

such a great feeling because it

13:25

really does feel like we're bringing

13:27

the show back. And again, we all love

13:29

the show so much. And it feels really

13:31

good to know that the actors are

13:33

happy to be involved, but it feels to

13:35

them, like a continuation of the

13:37

characters that they played because that's

13:39

obviously you know, they know. And

13:41

I think they they are

13:44

willing to be to work on this and happy to

13:46

work on this because it does feel like a

13:48

continuation of the

13:50

characters that they that they love.

13:52

So, yeah, it was it was just great.

13:54

And, I mean, obviously, as

13:56

I said, like, Tedena's

13:59

performance is just so outstanding. But

14:02

I love the other actors

14:03

too, and so it's really, really

14:06

great to have them on. You

14:08

mentioned, like, you know,

14:10

there are new clones in season

14:12

one that weren't in a

14:14

show. So did you have a special process

14:16

for, like, creating new clones? Or, like, how

14:18

did you figure out what like,

14:20

when you create new clones?

14:22

So I a little bit. Like, we

14:25

kind of had we had a fair amount of free

14:27

reign in terms of

14:29

figuring out what we needed to make the thought

14:31

work. Right? And kind of what we wanted.

14:33

We knew we wanted to have at least one new clone who's

14:35

sort of a main character who's

14:38

Phoebe. And then, you know, we

14:40

we added another since we help me

14:42

get them. But we did go

14:44

through a process in terms of

14:46

thinking together as a group

14:48

of how do we like, how

14:50

do we make distinguish this

14:52

clone? Do they have an accent? And

14:54

how do we describe it? Do they

14:56

have they done something with their hair? What

14:58

is their style? Where did

15:00

they grow up? You know, so

15:02

that we could really try to define

15:05

the character as much as possible. To

15:07

make it, you

15:09

know, both, I think, for for for

15:11

the actor to to

15:14

give her a lot of of room

15:16

to create an individual even

15:18

with just voice and and

15:20

some description, right, and the narration. And then

15:22

also for the for the reader, I list so

15:24

that they would feel like this is a

15:26

really different person who's dealing with

15:28

this experience of being

15:30

a con and new and interesting

15:32

ways. Yeah. It really is

15:34

wild, like, that you can,

15:36

like, very specifically tell the difference even

15:38

though it's, like, touching on and doing

15:40

all of

15:40

them, even just voice. Like, it's amazing.

15:43

Like, whatever she does. Mhmm. It's

15:45

really amazing.

15:47

So Yeah. I I heard

15:50

that you were the like,

15:52

origin of the season two titles?

15:54

Episode titles. So can you

15:56

explain, like, what the

15:58

episode two

15:59

titles? Yeah. A little bit.

16:01

So all of the titles from the original

16:03

TV series come from books

16:06

and their quotes from from science fiction

16:08

books. So for you

16:10

know, knowing that and having some

16:13

control over it. For season one,

16:15

we really wanted to do

16:18

Octavio Butler. And

16:20

so we picked from quotes

16:22

from her work. I think I think all of them are from

16:24

parable of the sower, which is just

16:26

such an important book, and I think

16:28

really relates

16:30

to so many of the critical themes

16:32

of the show. And

16:35

yeah. So we we went through and we found

16:37

these. And then for season two, we

16:39

were looking for something a little bit older

16:41

for copyright reasons. And,

16:44

you know, we there were there some

16:46

sense of how we can just make them up, but I thought,

16:48

you know, why don't we look at

16:51

frankenstein, which is

16:53

the original science fiction book, which is

16:55

also written by a woman, And

16:57

when you look at it, I I have not actually

16:59

read the whole book. But when you look at the quotes

17:01

from the book, they are amazing.

17:03

And they are

17:04

seatingly, like, grim and

17:07

descriptive and ominous and it was

17:09

perfect.

17:09

Yeah. I think, like,

17:12

it's so clever when people use the titles, you

17:14

know, and as a way also for

17:16

the for the store to

17:18

give

17:18

information.

17:20

I always love people do that. So Good job. Yeah. We've

17:22

also really fun things. We all kind

17:24

of went around on our on

17:27

our Slack just

17:29

saying which quotes picking different quotes

17:31

from the book that we wanted for our different chapters

17:33

and trying to figure out which ones fit the

17:35

different chapters best And like I

17:37

said, there were lot of really wild

17:40

quotes in that book, so you can pick

17:42

it up. It's it's amazing stuff

17:44

in there. so was really fun, like, going

17:46

through and trying to fit it to the things that we had

17:48

written and that we wanted to be

17:50

highlighting for the readers and

17:51

listeners.

17:52

Yeah. That is,

17:53

like, an interesting challenge to kinda go backwards

17:55

that way, like, once you already have the episode.

17:58

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19:48

Someone

19:50

in the someone in the comments wanted to know

19:53

if you have a favorite scene from

19:55

the season. Oh

19:58

my gosh. It's

20:00

hard because, you know,

20:03

we love all the clones. Right? And so

20:05

it's hard to pick favorite

20:08

scenes when the you know, each

20:10

character has their own like,

20:12

I think I

20:14

mean, I love caffeine. I

20:18

think my favorite line,

20:20

which I wrote in

20:22

the outline of an episode that I didn't

20:24

write the episode, but I think the line made

20:26

it in was cosmo

20:29

was I mean, Delfin was stress

20:31

baking. Cosmo was stress getting baked,

20:33

which is just, you know, something that I think we

20:36

can all relate to over the past

20:38

few years. But

20:40

I was, you know, I was gonna say it. So I love

20:42

COFINS, but then in terms of

20:44

writing characters like, Honestly,

20:46

Alison and Tony are so much fun

20:48

to write because they're just so

20:51

ridiculous. And so

20:54

and writing them with this you know,

20:55

having them do this reality show is kind of,

20:58

like, look, peek,

21:00

Alison and Donnie.

21:02

So, yeah, we

21:03

had a lot of fun with that. Yeah. That

21:05

was, like, my favorite thing when I was reading

21:07

this season, the reality show.

21:09

It's just although, I

21:11

will say, as a close second, the descriptions from

21:14

Felix's perspective of the

21:16

islands, and I'm wondering through the advent and

21:18

trying to figure out what all these treatments

21:20

are and things was

21:22

also really fun. Yeah.

21:24

It's I mean, all around, like, when I

21:26

was reading it, I was just like, wow, this is so great.

21:28

It's a good job.

21:30

Yeah. Let

21:33

me see if I can I

21:35

feel like someone else asked the question.

21:37

Yes. Please please read me a new season.

21:39

Everybody just wants I feel black about

21:41

it. Yeah. Much

21:45

straight. Let's

21:47

see. But all of my constraints. So Yeah.

21:50

I know. Michael. Okay. Thank you for your

21:52

inputs. I didn't

21:54

get

21:54

confused. Say it loudly because that's

21:57

how it happens.

21:58

But a lot of people want it. I definitely yeah.

22:00

I definitely think the fandom is what's contributed

22:03

to, like, the continuation in in different

22:05

formats for

22:05

sure. Like, the the fandom just seems to, like, keep getting

22:08

bigger. Like,

22:09

every day, there's somebody else who's, like, I'm watching

22:11

this show called Orphan Black or I'm I didn't

22:13

sound out about this podcast or

22:15

whatever. And oh,

22:17

I was gonna ask you if there are any,

22:19

like, pairs of characters that you, like,

22:21

would have liked to have more, like,

22:24

scenes together or because that

22:26

was that was one question somebody asked Christian

22:28

if there

22:28

were, like, other characters that maybe he didn't get

22:30

to work with as much than maybe he would like.

22:33

So I

22:33

mean, it was it was

22:36

this is one thing. It is really hard to

22:38

fit everybody in. I know that

22:40

in the first season. Everyone wanted more Rachel and

22:43

more Helena. And we did too. It

22:45

was just, you

22:47

know, telling the story

22:49

and having enough time

22:51

with the sons who were the main focus

22:53

was made it really hard to get as much

22:55

as we wanted of everyone. So we we did try

22:57

to have more helena and more Rachel in

23:00

this one But, yeah, we always want more time

23:02

with them. I think this

23:05

season, we miss Kira a

23:07

little bit And

23:09

I I think Rachel

23:12

gets some really interesting stuff

23:14

going on this season. She's

23:17

always a fun one to pair with other moms. So

23:19

while she gets some really good time with Cosma

23:21

and with Charlotte, Yeah.

23:25

More more Rachel pairing with others. And

23:27

and and also,

23:28

Helena, like, anything

23:31

Helena does is always just

23:33

cabinet.

23:33

So Someone

23:35

said, is Delfin going to have a

23:38

baby this season?

23:39

I am

23:41

not sure. I'm allowed to

23:42

help you with oil. Yeah. I don't know. Don't

23:45

think I can do spoilers like

23:48

that. I will

23:50

say that as

23:53

a writer, like, I'm really interested in

23:55

the way that pregnancy is shown

23:57

in fiction. And

23:59

so I was trying to break a little

24:01

bit some of the tropes that come around

24:03

that.

24:04

So take

24:06

that as

24:07

you would like to take it.

24:10

Someone

24:11

asked who your favorite OG clone

24:13

is. See,

24:15

I knew I was gonna get this

24:17

question because it's so hard.

24:20

So hard.

24:20

I so I

24:23

think in the

24:27

first season I mean, the first not

24:29

the first season. The whole first the TV show.

24:32

Right? The thing is,

24:34

like, we really identify with Sarah

24:36

through that. And so it's hard not

24:38

to to to identify with

24:40

Sarah and love Sarah. But

24:44

but then I don't know, like, they were all

24:46

awesome. Like, Sophie Okay. Cosma

24:49

is definitely, like, more sort of

24:52

closer to me.

24:54

Allison, as I said, is not someone I'm

24:56

sure. I think I could hang out with, but she's,

24:58

like, hilarious too much. Elena,

25:01

also, not necessarily. But you

25:03

do want you would

25:05

want her be the person that you could call,

25:07

right, if you if you

25:09

needed someone to break

25:11

someone's finger in a bar or

25:13

something. Right? Or just sitting on a road trip. I mean, there's a

25:15

lot of things that you would want Kelly has to

25:17

be your bud for, but so Yeah.

25:22

It's such a hard question. It's such a hard

25:24

question. I'm gonna you know what? I'm just

25:26

gonna bucket. I'm gonna go with

25:28

SSS because Sure. I

25:30

love her.

25:31

Yeah. I missus s seems to be a

25:34

favorite because lots of people mention her all the

25:36

time. Yeah. I feel like

25:37

it's, like, honestly, I'm just slow in

25:39

like, I'm sorry, if it says that show in any way,

25:41

but I was so angry when I woke up.

25:44

And,

25:44

like, if if I love

25:47

writing for the next

25:47

chapter, but I would also really really

25:50

love to write a spin off

25:51

about, like, her use and

25:54

how she learned to do all these things.

25:56

And, yeah, I would love to

25:58

do just any kind of show with her.

26:00

I would have loved it. The hand can drop

26:02

to do spin with like, leader. Not

26:05

necessarily yeah. Only only

26:07

her youth because she

26:09

got But, like, any I was a show about her

26:11

in any way. And one of my favorite

26:13

sort of scenes from the original series

26:15

is that when where she and Sarah are

26:18

working together, sort of running together

26:20

for a little bit. And it just

26:22

it's it's she's so fabulous. And I've

26:24

also I love that actress ever since she

26:26

was in the commitments. Many

26:29

years ago, which is a wonderful movie

26:31

and in which she also sings

26:33

as she does in in our

26:35

products. So highly recommend. There's,

26:37

like, conflicting comments in here where some people

26:39

are, like, give us spoilers and other people are,

26:41

like, please don't spoil it for me. And

26:44

I'm, like, We can't we can't do both of these things.

26:46

Sorry. I I don't think I'm allowed to

26:48

spoil

26:48

it. And this is the Internet, and

26:51

nothing ever goes away. So

26:53

don't

26:53

yeah. I don't think we should spoil it, but if you haven't, like,

26:56

listened to season two up to this point, you might

26:58

get a little spoilers for

27:00

that. Like, We've we've already definitely

27:02

done some minor spoilers for our season

27:04

one.

27:04

So I'm sorry. Yeah. That's a minor. But,

27:06

like, you you'll

27:07

still enjoy it. If you wasn't too for

27:09

sure. Oh, so

27:11

one thing I did wanna ask about when you

27:13

found like, was everything written when you

27:15

found out that the new character like, that the the

27:17

actors were coming back to reprise

27:20

their

27:20

roles? Or was there a

27:22

way that that impacted the writing

27:24

at

27:25

all? It did

27:27

a

27:27

little bit. We we

27:30

found out not all at once. I we kind of knew Jordan was

27:32

interested earlier on. So

27:34

we knew we wanted to have a bigger role for

27:36

Felix. I mean, we always wanted to have a

27:38

bigger role for Felix. Awesome.

27:40

But like I said, time

27:43

constraints and just so many people moving

27:45

around. So we we knew we

27:47

wanted to make that something of

27:49

a priority. On the season. Delfin

27:53

was always going to be in a

27:55

pretty big role because the way

27:57

COFINA has evolved and that that's just really a

27:59

central thing. For the

28:01

show. But but, yes, once we

28:03

knew that Ellen would be

28:05

coming back as well. So

28:07

exciting. So we're like, yes, we've gotta give her lots of lots of

28:09

lines, and and we didn't

28:11

actually find out about Christian until

28:14

much later. I'm

28:16

also a big fan of him. I've seen him on

28:18

Odd Squad, the kids TV show where

28:20

he's just straight. So I

28:23

was really happy that he was

28:25

coming back. And, yeah, we

28:27

definitely were like, okay. But we I

28:29

think we already had a lot of Donnie at that point

28:31

because just like I said, Donnie and

28:33

Alison are such wonderful com comedic

28:36

characters. And they're like, comedic

28:38

while often driving the plot in

28:40

really interesting ways. So

28:42

So, yeah, knew that. So a little bit, I think,

28:44

but but only really in the the sort

28:46

of, like, very early window

28:49

we want a lot of

28:51

these characters, and it makes us

28:51

happy. Yeah.

28:54

Some okay. So somebody who is asking what

28:56

we're talking about, so I'll do another

28:58

reminder. We're talking about

29:00

Work of Black The Next Chapter, which is the podcast

29:03

continuation of the

29:05

show. The first season, Tatiana,

29:07

narrated and did all the voices and then for

29:09

season two, Jordan and Evelyn and

29:11

Christian all came and reprise their

29:13

roles. So if you haven't listened to it, if you're

29:15

just finding out you have a lot to listen

29:17

to. There's a small in season one, a

29:19

lot of season two, and you

29:21

can get it, like, wherever you get

29:23

podcasts like Apple Spotify. It's on YouTube too,

29:26

on our on our site realm dot

29:28

f

29:28

m. Yeah. So that's what we're talking

29:31

about for anyone who is good.

29:33

And you can read it. If

29:34

you don't yeah. Listen to podcasts for whatever

29:36

reason, you can also read it as text.

29:38

But

29:38

with all those amazing actors, like, this is a

29:40

good time to make an exceptional listen to

29:43

podcasts. If you don't know. But the text is

29:44

there.

29:44

Yeah. Like, you

29:45

want you like, would you not wanna hear

29:47

Tatiana in your ear? Like, I

29:49

said, I would. Someone

29:53

asked if you were Tatiana Missany,

29:55

that would be what

29:57

a great compliment? Yes.

30:00

Yes. That's an amazing compliment. No.

30:02

I I am not. That's Anna Masai, but

30:04

thank you. I

30:08

think she's amazing. High Wolf

30:10

and Girl.

30:11

So there is, like, a little bit of a spoiler

30:14

question I wanted to ask you. It's it's just for

30:16

for today's episode. So it's not really a spoiler

30:18

because they did come out already. But apparently, there was, a

30:20

scene that you were really pushing for

30:22

at a police

30:24

station. Do

30:27

you remember what I'm talking about?

30:30

Yeah. So, I

30:32

guess, this is a a big

30:34

spoiler for the first season. So

30:36

if you have not yet seen the first

30:38

season, maybe, like, mute us

30:40

for a second. But, you know, in

30:42

the first season, the world finds out about close.

30:44

And they become public knowledge. And this is, you

30:47

know, this was for us, like, honestly,

30:49

one of the greatest things that we could do with this

30:51

show because it changed the dynamic

30:53

so much. And we had all these

30:55

interesting new problems that came up for the

30:57

clones and new, you know, just

30:59

dynamics to work with. And

31:01

it was you know, I think it's really

31:03

refreshed. A lot of what we're doing is we have the

31:05

characters dealing with this whole different

31:07

situation as opposed to the

31:09

secrecy. And so you

31:12

know, there's this the scene where

31:14

Khozema is in a police station, and she's

31:16

trying to convince them to help

31:18

her find her wife who's

31:20

been who's disappeared. She doesn't know which

31:22

one. And the cops are basically

31:24

like, well, we've got

31:26

video

31:27

from closed circuit cameras, and

31:30

your wife got in a car with

31:32

you. And

31:33

because it was, like,

31:36

but not me. But you can

31:38

tell who I am because I know you've seen Crohn's

31:40

all over the place since I know that that might

31:42

not be me just because it looks like me and

31:45

they're

31:45

like, what can we do because they're

31:47

obviously claustrophobic. So

31:50

that was, you know, I think

31:52

for us, we were thinking about So

31:55

much of the show, right, the original show,

31:57

is about how technology

32:00

messes with our identities, about

32:03

how you know, surveillance

32:05

works and so having the show,

32:07

having looked at it from a secrecy perspective,

32:09

you

32:09

know, looking at it from the opposite, from

32:11

a sort of fame perspective.

32:14

And this

32:15

idea of, like, what is it like to live

32:17

in a facial recognition world

32:19

when you do not have a unique face.

32:22

Which is not such a stretch as a problem

32:24

because facial recognition is not actually all

32:26

that refined yet, and this

32:28

sort of mistake can happen even

32:30

about actual clumps. So, you

32:32

know, looking at some of these problems and

32:35

especially how they can kinda be exploited

32:37

by the powers that

32:39

be to do what

32:41

they want, whether it's to help or to not help,

32:43

and think about, you know, what

32:45

does it mean when you share

32:48

DNA, exact DNA with all these different people,

32:50

some of whom are criminals, and some of whom

32:52

are totally different from you and live somewhere else

32:54

and what does it mean for international trouble?

32:57

And what you know, getting a bank account

32:59

and just all these different things that are

33:01

so interesting as we all

33:04

navigate them. In this increasingly

33:06

digitalized, increasingly, you know,

33:08

unique identity and two factor

33:10

authentication and everything everything

33:12

worlds. So yeah. was was

33:14

a really interesting scene I thought to go

33:16

into, like, some of these repercussions.

33:20

How going public had

33:22

solved some problems for the close. They didn't have

33:24

to be totally secretive and keep their face off

33:26

all social media

33:27

anymore. But it created this whole host of

33:30

new

33:30

problems. Yeah. And

33:32

it's kind of, like, lose lose. Like,

33:34

there were there were definitely problems,

33:37

but

33:37

then you think,

33:38

like, oh, this will solve everything and it

33:40

just kind of creates other other

33:43

issues. Yeah.

33:43

And I think it really, you know, it speaks to

33:45

the fact that they are kind of an edge

33:47

case. They're stuck in this being different

33:50

in some ways. And so whether

33:52

they're trying to keep that difference, a

33:53

secret, and dumpling, and normal

33:55

or whether they're like, we're different. We're here. We're proud.

33:58

Either way, you know,

34:00

it offers opportunities for people

34:02

with authority to

34:04

manipulate what's happening to them and make it different

34:06

from the sort of assistance they would expect.

34:09

So

34:09

basically, it could go

34:11

this show could go on forever. Because

34:13

there's just gonna be lots of problems.

34:15

I mean, honestly, there's it's it's

34:18

such a great concept. And the

34:20

directions that they took it

34:22

in initially are so interesting and rich that I

34:24

do think that there's a lot and

34:26

it's so and just so relevant to our world

34:28

too, as I

34:30

was saying. You know, between

34:32

civilians and identity and all

34:34

of these concerns and community

34:36

and reproductive rights

34:39

and, you

34:40

know, nationality, and there's just so many elements

34:42

of it that I think are really relevant

34:44

for everyone, and it's such an interesting conceit

34:46

to get at them. But yeah. I mean, I think there's

34:49

there's a lot to write in it. And meanwhile, you

34:52

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So a lot of people are saying that Evelyn has a really nice voice

35:40

and, I mean, I agree. Yes.

35:44

I've always everything as far as

35:46

I

35:46

know. She's

35:48

very nice. I I have to She's just so someone

35:50

asked

35:50

if there was an inspiration for Blythe, which

35:53

I think is a great question.

35:58

Because Blythe was, like, is is super

36:00

interesting.

36:03

She is.

36:06

We you know, we try not to take

36:08

so there's a little bit of

36:11

ripped from the headlines, but you sort of ripped the headlines out

36:13

and then put them in a blender. If

36:15

that makes sense. So we were thinking

36:18

about sort of Hollywood celebrity, and

36:20

we were thinking about politicians

36:22

celebrity, we were thinking about reality

36:24

TV celebrity, and

36:26

coats. And and obviously,

36:28

like, there are a lot of like,

36:30

all of those categories have sort of merged.

36:33

In various ways and overlap

36:35

in various ways as we've seen

36:37

over the past, I mean,

36:39

honestly, several decades.

36:42

But especially I think the last few

36:43

years. And so we were we were just kind of

36:45

thinking about that dynamic

36:47

and how it's played out in

36:49

a couple of real cases and then trying to,

36:52

like, smash them all together to get

36:54

something that was a little

36:56

bit different but it had some of

36:58

those echoes and residences and

37:00

still fit in the world of

37:01

the clones. So it's

37:03

not necessarily, like, one specific

37:05

person. It's like, a bunch of It's

37:07

it's definitely not. And and I say definitely

37:09

not because we, you know, we did

37:11

go through

37:13

this process. As I mentioned before with, you know, with a new

37:16

clone, we kind of

37:18

we shot

37:19

out different ideas, and we mentioned different

37:21

names of real people,

37:24

but we mentioned, like, a lot to make sure that we

37:26

didn't really make it one real

37:28

person because we wanted to say, like, okay. It's

37:30

like a mix of this person, this person,

37:32

this person,

37:34

And also, we're gonna change this and make it a little different,

37:36

and obviously being a clone makes things

37:38

different as well. Not just

37:40

in the sense, but, like, it's

37:43

legally, deniable, whatever. But but,

37:45

like, we wanted to think about really what

37:47

going up as a clone and and eventually

37:49

learning that had done to this person's

37:51

personality and their goals and their motivations

37:54

and so on. So so there's that

37:55

too. Someone asked if there

37:58

this is like

37:59

I don't know if you wanna say this, but someone asked

38:01

if there was gonna be a Dell Phoenix

38:03

Helena interaction on Blights Island because they never

38:05

interacted in the show.

38:10

I would really like to say it's because they're played by the

38:12

same person, but that's not actually true.

38:15

I

38:19

am gonna not answer that. I think I'm gonna just not

38:21

answer anything this past this

38:23

episode. Sorry. I don't feel like

38:25

I can. But

38:28

we'll definitely like, if there's another season which I don't know yet, we'll

38:30

definitely keep in mind all these interaction

38:32

hopes because it is really

38:36

one of the really fun things about the show

38:38

is seeing these different characters and tracks or pretend to

38:40

be each

38:41

other. Yeah.

38:42

I definitely, like, think more than, like,

38:45

any other show. Like, I noticed people commenting on different

38:48

interactions they want on this show

38:49

specifically. Yeah. I don't know if it's

38:52

because they're all Tatiana

38:54

or because They just like all

38:56

the characters and they want all the characters to

38:57

be friends. But I I think they're just they're such

38:59

well defined characters and

39:02

you

39:03

know, they they

39:06

get

39:06

sort of close to types, but they're never

39:10

purely stereotypes. They're, you know, they all have a lot of

39:12

depth. And so

39:14

I I find something really

39:17

lovely when I read things and I know the character is

39:19

well enough so that when I see them interact

39:21

or hear them interact, I go like,

39:24

yeah, of course that's how they're gonna even

39:26

I couldn't have set it myself. Right? When you read

39:28

it and there's that sense of familiarity,

39:30

that sense of being like, yes, definitely

39:32

that is how this person

39:34

would react. And that is just I think it's such an

39:36

important part of what we

39:38

get out

39:40

of fandom.

39:42

Yes. Someone says they want Rachel and Helena to become friends, which I

39:45

do. What a

39:47

chaotic parent? We're just start

39:49

a whole man. This is all the company. Like

39:53

someone just said thank you for bringing the story of my

39:56

favorite

39:58

show back. Thank

39:58

you for listening. So

40:00

heavy. And, yeah, it's it's just

40:02

been great because it's brought it back for me

40:04

too. You know? Yeah. Different

40:07

and more effortful way but still. It's

40:10

it's just so nice for a turn to the world on

40:12

those

40:12

characters. Yeah. Coldplay is so

40:14

lovely. Like, I don't know how to

40:16

say it. Just like such a nice, like so

40:18

I think everyone it's like, you can tell

40:21

everyone enjoys it. Like, everybody at Realm's really

40:23

excited about it, quote unquote, really excited about

40:25

other

40:25

writers. Like, everybody's just It's like

40:27

a big love fest. All the

40:29

actors. So

40:30

we are running a little

40:32

bit towards the end of time.

40:35

So

40:36

if anyone has questions, you can keep dropping them in there. But I wanted to

40:38

ask you about some of your other projects

40:40

and you've written like a lot of

40:43

stuff on Realm Is there anything

40:45

specific, like, any round specific shows that you thought? Like, Club Club needs

40:47

to check this out, this

40:49

other show too?

40:52

So definitely nine step murders, previously

40:54

known as nine step station because

40:57

it is kind of cyberpunky

41:00

and body money, and it's also

41:02

got a lot of the

41:04

elements of their sort

41:07

of like some mystery and there's some

41:09

Buddy Crop relationships. It's

41:12

set in two thousand and thirty

41:14

two Tokyo and the main sort of fairness

41:16

between an American

41:19

the US peacekeeper has

41:22

deployed Tokyo and Tokyo cop who are working

41:24

together. They're both female

41:26

and they solve murders.

41:30

And it's and we we had a ton of fun putting it

41:32

together and having also some really

41:34

interesting cyberpunk elements

41:36

in it. And

41:39

it is occasionally dark, but it

41:41

is not grim or

41:46

super violent. Although it is sometimes amusingly gory or okay.

41:48

Maybe not amusing. It's sometimes

41:50

gory. Okay. So it's a little violent,

41:52

but it's it's generally meant

41:54

to be, like,

41:56

a But with them. And also

41:58

in Macchino's, the other one that I've worked on

42:00

that's kind of a similar,

42:02

like, near

42:04

future lots of robots, lots of AI

42:06

trying to get to Mars,

42:10

workplace competition. Really

42:12

on cereal as well. So those two,

42:14

I think, are the closest in in

42:17

vibe to orphan

42:19

black, and then I have written a trilogy

42:21

of books that are

42:24

science fiction political

42:27

thrillers So they're a bit wonky, but they actually cover a lot

42:30

of the territory that orphan black does

42:32

because these are things that I'm really interested

42:34

in. There's a reason that I love the

42:36

show so

42:38

much. So the first one is called Infomarkercy. And

42:40

as I said, it's a trilogy, but

42:42

the first one is standalone. And, yeah,

42:46

there's katana's and flamethrowers and

42:48

some chase scenes and also just

42:50

a lot about the future

42:52

of

42:52

democracy. And data and

42:55

surveillance. So it

42:56

sounds very real.

42:57

Like, I need to I definitely

42:59

need to read it.

43:01

Someone someone just posted

43:03

on Twitter, like,

43:06

I wish I was as confident about my

43:08

students that the worst parts of

43:10

Infomarketry won't happen. And I was like, I'm

43:12

trying to think of any bad things in the book

43:14

that aren't already happening in the

43:16

world. And then the professors, like,

43:18

yeah, I was trying to gently guide them in

43:20

that direction. It's not meant to be super pressing.

43:22

It's meant to be

43:24

kind of hopeful, but there is also a

43:26

lot of like, stuff that

43:28

reflects the world and the politics

43:30

of the

43:30

world. So not completely hopeful,

43:34

obviously. And if

43:36

people wanna find you, like, what's the

43:38

best way for them to, like, find you and

43:40

your stuff

43:40

and, like, follow along with your

43:43

all of your work?

43:45

Yeah. You can find me

43:47

on Twitter usually at

43:50

m underscore

43:52

holder And I am on

43:54

Instagram as in democracy, the title

43:56

of my book. I don't host a whole lot

44:00

on here. I don't actually have a smartphone. I had to borrow what

44:02

to do this. Right. But

44:04

I I usually post something from

44:06

my computer. I also have a

44:08

Facebook author page, and you can find my

44:10

website, which is

44:12

WordPress. You can just look for my

44:15

rather unusual names, and you'll

44:17

find me pretty easily.

44:18

Yeah. I'm sure if we Google

44:20

if everyone googled you, we can muck

44:23

older. That's

44:23

right. You can't find it. Send it to the top

44:25

of the

44:25

search results

44:28

page today.

44:29

And to find Orkin Black

44:32

the next chapter, you can find it anywhere

44:34

you listen to podcasts. If you just Google

44:36

Orkin Black podcast, I'm sure, again,

44:38

it'll just It'll pop up. Or if you go

44:40

to our Instagram, which Melco is on

44:42

our our realm Instagram

44:44

right

44:44

now,

44:46

you can easily find all the links in there. We also have work with Black merch,

44:48

which

44:48

I need to get some because then

44:51

I could be wearing it right now.

44:54

Like, the vestra hat that we

44:56

have.

44:56

Yeah. I I realized I

44:58

should've got one for myself. I

45:03

I sent one to my brother who is also

45:05

a writer and writes for Star Wars, but now he's got

45:07

a writer for Star Wars wearing his

45:09

brother, Cestra, hat. So Yeah. And he

45:11

posted such a cute picture

45:13

wearing it and I was like,

45:15

wow. It's like a

45:15

family. It's a family affair. It's a

45:18

beautiful. It is. It

45:20

is. He sends us Star

45:21

Wars stuff and I sent him a form of black

45:23

stuff. And Well, thank

45:25

you so much for taking the time

45:27

to talk today

45:30

about, like, everything orphan black, your your love of

45:32

orphan black, orphan black neck strap. You're giving,

45:34

like, insights into, like, how

45:36

it gets

45:38

made because I feel like a lot of people have no idea what goes into

45:41

it. So

45:42

it's it's

45:42

always it's a pleasure to be

45:45

here and there. And it's so great to to see all

45:47

the fans and just hear people saying that they enjoy

45:49

the show because, yeah, that's why we do it

45:52

besides wanting to reconnect with the characters

45:54

ourselves is

45:55

it's great to know that it makes people

45:58

happy. Awesome. A new episode

46:00

drop today, Mako's episode

46:02

episode seven, and then there are, I think,

46:04

there are three more says after.

46:06

So we're getting kinda close to the end of

46:08

yeah. Getting kinda close to the end of season too. So

46:10

I hope everything's

46:11

about, like, enjoying

46:14

it. Yeah. And there's lots of cool things to come.

46:16

So keep

46:16

listening. Have a good day everyone. Have

46:19

a nice weekend. Thanks

46:21

for tuning

46:22

in. Bye.

46:24

It's Marco again,

46:27

back with that

46:30

extra bonus I

46:32

promised you. Malca mentioned another film show she worked out

46:34

called Ninth Step Burgers, which

46:36

is set near future Tokyo, where

46:38

a Japanese investigator had a

46:40

US peace keeper reluctantly

46:42

joined forces to solve a series of

46:44

bizarre burgers. Enjoy this

46:46

trailer for Nightstar burgers and check

46:48

out both seasons of the series wherever

46:51

you're listening to this show right now.

47:01

The blade

47:02

cut through the air, echoing silence,

47:05

and then a scream,

47:07

low and men

47:08

high. Raimo, clearly,

47:10

over every other sun.

47:12

Inspector Miyako

47:13

Korida of the Tokyo Metropolitan

47:16

Police Department,

47:17

You remember lieutenant Higashi Emma,

47:19

my partner. She's joined us from the

47:21

American peacekeeping

47:23

detachment. Miyako slid her finger along the edge of her sleeve to

47:26

bring up the pales, and her pulse

47:28

jumped again as she saw the crimson color

47:31

coating,

47:31

murder, phrase,

47:34

Don't shoot. Don't shoot. Tension

47:38

warmed Miyako's body. Her

47:40

heartbeat sped up into a

47:42

dizzying panic.

47:44

She didn't know how

47:46

much time passed, seconds, hours, lifetimes.

47:49

The outside world

47:52

fell away. Perfect

47:54

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47:56

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47:58

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