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people and this is no morrow didn't done

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a lot of them who are dublin fans living in mean i

1:00

mean that what are they supposed to stop or

1:03

they supposed celebrate in the club is

1:05

the club bars will support of a video them federal

1:07

i don't know if you're me fan

1:10

or you know coderre fan or wicklow

1:12

fan or west me than

1:15

and you're like swamped to

1:17

send them back what what what are the tories have

1:19

to stuff or in the bolts is

1:22

not what it is yeah the votes you know dobbs

1:24

here yeah

1:26

you get send them to meet

1:28

the rwanda of the situation yeah

1:30

okay and

1:33

will they be ashburn is and the rest of me

1:35

this guy who's going to broad summit

1:37

uplands of the the

1:39

toilet yeah i don't know put

1:41

them in this is

1:43

interesting stuff you know them we

1:46

i think we have that that the clips and

1:48

okay over there is what i was on say there's there's another culture

1:51

war going on about the footballer of the year and the performance

1:53

of yes course i've daily clifford he

1:55

was smoked according to ap

1:57

authentic wrote back a little bit from that but then didn't

1:59

really

1:59

roll back to the point of like taking down

2:02

the smoke thing. So the smoke thing still exists.

2:05

I'm going to get the exact wording just so we're not doing

2:07

part of the service. So footballer of the year, it

2:09

turns out has been like this, uh, Rorschach

2:12

test for a lot of people.

2:13

It's like, Oh, that's me. Who are you? If

2:16

you don't think Clifford and then, um,

2:19

top scorer in the whole championship was Shane McWiggin. He

2:21

was. Yeah. Shane

2:23

McWiggin who had to come through an Ulster Championship. He

2:25

had a lot of gimmies in the, he played a lot of division three and,

2:27

Oh, Oh, Oh no. What? He did not play division three

2:29

and division four teams. No,

2:31

no. And then they look back at there. He's full of fixture

2:33

lists here before something. Oh, actually I'll

2:35

find it. Well, they played certainly

2:37

Monaghan and Ulster semi-final, Armand and Ulster final,

2:40

uh, for manna before that in a

2:42

quarterfinal. Then they had a group with

2:44

Monaghan, uh, Dunnegal and Claire,

2:47

and then they'd be Cork. The

2:49

quarterfinals before losing to Kerry

2:52

in the semis. That's not a gimme at all. Like you

2:55

wouldn't say there's a handy game in there. Um,

2:58

but yeah, Paul Flynn's comments on David Clifford. So he

3:00

tweets, uh, August 1st. So the other

3:02

night, 1237 AM

3:04

Clifford was smoked against Dublin and poor against

3:06

her own. Yet still people think he has football of the year. Not for

3:09

me. James Mack led Dublin's glory without

3:11

having his best day yesterday. He's a born winner

3:13

and leader.

3:14

And then he of course replies

3:16

and retweets his own tweet 17 hours ago.

3:18

It's his bit of controversy regarding my last

3:21

tweet. Do I think Mitch Fitz got the better of Clifford? Yes. Do

3:23

I think Clifford was player of the year? No. Do

3:25

I think he's one of the best in our generation? Yes. And the

3:27

top ambassador for the game, no more midnight tweets

3:30

and then the same zip emoji that Katie McCabe made

3:32

use of. So I mean, define

3:34

smoking, what's smoking in

3:37

that sense.

3:38

Cause I do remember an occasion where David

3:40

Clifford left Mick Fitz on his aris at

3:43

one point. He did not smoke David Clifford. No,

3:45

there's no way he smoked them because it's a clear, it's

3:47

still got two points from play that the unbelievable pass

3:49

for the, for the Guinea goal. Like, and Fitzhounds

3:52

gave away a free when he took the Jersey. Yeah. A

3:54

third score and then there's the one,

3:56

one I like Clifford played.

4:00

well below what his expectations

4:02

are and what our expectations of him are and

4:05

how much credit you give to

4:07

Fitzsimons for that. I would give a fair bit of credit

4:09

to Fitzsimons for that, but it was more they

4:13

both, certainly Fitzsimons

4:15

emerges with credit Oh

4:17

for sure, yeah. Interesting that again

4:21

to the point about the culture war Zaro

4:24

Shay in his piece today, he picked

4:26

Fitzsimons in his team of the year he's

4:28

picked him a fullback and

4:31

what the Lord giveth with one hand he'd take it away with the

4:33

other did well throughout the season

4:36

even though he got a fair bit of help with David

4:38

Clifford on Sunday it's like wow

4:40

I'm putting you in my team of the year but I sure shit I'm not giving

4:43

you all the credit for that because because

4:45

I saw that tweet too yeah and we're going to defend our

4:47

boy yeah understandably

4:50

yeah but yeah well if

4:52

Clifford earned many shooting opportunities for

4:54

himself on Fitzsimons he just didn't take them well

4:57

or were they bad should he not have taken them? He

4:59

should have taken them yeah there's a few of them that he definitely

5:01

should have put over based on his standards

5:04

or should he not have been shooting from there was was it

5:06

because Fitzsimons was in his head

5:08

and look Fitzsimons in fairness got a

5:10

free turned over that would have been a handy free that

5:13

the dub score a point from and like sliding

5:15

doors moments yeah yeah

5:17

and a couple of the shots at the end that were wayward

5:19

from Clifford were probably him panicking and going I have to

5:21

do something crazy here I mean the

5:23

other thing is right there was a bit where he

5:26

was he's

5:27

on the 21 or maybe slightly outside it and

5:29

this was kind of right in front of us and

5:32

he starts to dribble around slaloming through

5:34

people and take a shot and if that shot

5:36

had got in you're looking at oh look what is that

5:38

yeah one of the greats yeah it felt very

5:41

k-to-k-k-ve against Canada actually so not

5:43

smoked I don't think no I don't think by

5:46

any

5:47

any proper measure if you've been held scoreless

5:50

for play yeah I expected Paul Flynn

5:52

in his no no creativity you

5:54

know his backup tweet I expected

5:57

him to reference the smoked

5:59

term

5:59

expect them to maybe roll back on that a little bit. Cause

6:04

I don't think anyone thinks he was smoked. Fitzsimons had

6:06

a good game on him. But isn't it interesting that like,

6:08

maybe this is what the Domes actually think in their private

6:11

moments.

6:12

Like Fitzsimons, so the bit about

6:14

the goat,

6:18

that got on the goat of a lot

6:20

of people who were not from Kerry. Like

6:23

one of the first things that somebody who was wearing a Dublin jersey

6:25

said to me after was like, wow, wow,

6:27

where's Clifford's goat status now? Do

6:30

you know what I mean? Oh, he's 24, it's too early. Like

6:35

guilty as charged, your honor. We

6:37

did anoint him the greatest football of all time. Well,

6:40

I don't know.

6:41

But he certainly, this generation,

6:43

he's- Yeah, that's not what the, that's

6:45

not what G-O-A-T stands for. No,

6:48

no. Like

6:51

I have the utmost respect for this Dublin

6:53

team and the lads who have the nine of Ireland's and the at all Ireland's.

6:55

But I think there is a notion in Dublin

6:57

that

6:58

there can't be a goat that's not from Dublin.

7:01

David Clifford, I think there's a little

7:04

modicum of jealousy

7:06

in Dublin surrounding David

7:08

Clifford and the aura around him. Because we have him on a pedestal.

7:11

There feels to be that

7:13

little bit. Because I think they think, we

7:15

are the greatest team of this generation and Dublin are the best team

7:17

of this generation. Yeah. But they don't have

7:19

the best player. They do not have the best single player of this

7:22

generation. I don't think that

7:24

can be argued. I think like there

7:26

is a case of James McCarty being one of the

7:28

greatest footballers all the time. And he's Dublin's greatest. And

7:31

you can make that case. He didn't have his best

7:33

game

7:34

on Sunday. And I think that will,

7:36

like all Ireland finals, can't double.

7:39

So I think that may well make

7:42

him less likely to be football of the year. But I don't

7:44

know if you can give it to Clifford after that performance either

7:47

on Sunday. I think you can.

7:50

Again, it's not the player of the Fortnite. It's like.

7:53

But is it not that it's so pivotal

7:56

to their success? Whether he plays well or not.

8:00

Yeah, as long as he Above

8:03

breaks even he's a victim of his own success right

8:06

he said his own bar so high that we expect Unbelievable

8:09

things from him like if any other player scores four points to

8:11

from playing kicks that unbelievable pass for again He's

8:13

gold you're like well, that's a seven out of ten performance

8:16

for Clifford. It's a five out of ten points

8:18

Like yeah that but that is that

8:21

is

8:22

there the rules of engagement when you're talking about the greatest

8:24

of all time Mmm, you know.

8:26

Yeah, I suppose when you know what they can do is Fenton

8:28

player of the year like really he

8:30

could be because Fenton was

8:33

amazing in the semis when the

8:35

going got tough and Then

8:38

as the game is in the melting pot. He's like I Sunday

8:42

stroke boom. Thanks very much. Oh, is

8:44

that it was that like an all-time great point? Yeah, it was

8:48

It's been to them. It's been to their greatest ever football.

8:50

I don't know see the thing about Clifford is

8:52

it's different very difficult for him to Like

8:55

dominate a game when you're upfront and the team is not

8:57

performing well, whereas from midfield

8:59

you can influence like

9:02

as a deep-lying midfielder James

9:04

McCarthy can influence

9:06

Games and therefore seasons in a way

9:08

that's harder for players in the full forward

9:10

line to do Because he is totally reliant on the

9:13

quality the ball going into him and the quality the ball going into him by the way

9:15

Was nowhere near as good as it has been and that's to Dublin's

9:17

credit and I think that's the help that

9:21

Darrell Shea is talking about that make the

9:23

time it's got there was a few balls that were out in front of Clifford's

9:25

Where he was able to get out get a step

9:28

and the first point he scored was like delicious

9:30

the favorites They stopped putting those balls in they did

9:33

the bookies have at the moment So the top six for

9:36

a footballer of the year Shane McGwigan 33 to one you've caught

9:38

him by scale 14 to 1 Steven

9:40

Cluckston 12 to 1 along with Brian Fenton a 12 to 1

9:43

David Clifford 6 to 4

9:45

James McCarthy 8 to 15. So this is

9:47

a player's vote, right? There has to be a short list announced

9:50

sooner rather than later at which point a lot of those

9:52

come off the board Yeah, and then the

9:55

betting will

9:56

Calcify around and maybe

9:58

there'll be a backlash against the dog

9:59

from the rest of the country

10:02

because of stuff like, oh, he was smoked.

10:05

Is Cluckston not the football of the year? Cluckston could well be the

10:07

football of the year. There might be a very good case for

10:09

Cluckston,

10:11

like won the All-Arn again, came back, didn't

10:13

concede a goal until the final, wasn't it? And

10:15

then kicks the 45, plays well. And

10:18

the goal that he conceded is one of the all-time

10:20

great All-Arn final, like this skill, again,

10:22

he has to not foul the ball in

10:25

the moments

10:26

under pressure from the dubs. I think it was sensational.

10:28

Yeah. And also, like I had a

10:31

chance over the last 24 hours to come back and look at the pass,

10:33

an eight out of 10 performance. And I

10:35

think that some of the shooting is because he's in his head

10:38

as well. Yeah. Whatever presence

10:41

or, I don't know, if there's conversations, whatever

10:43

happens, like some of the

10:45

radar is off, you have to give some of the

10:48

credit to that for diamonds. And

10:50

that's the win of the game. Three more points, which

10:52

you would have expected wins the game.

10:56

So I don't know, the pinging of

10:59

the ball, the way he pinged the ball

11:01

under pressure, and the, like

11:03

we were like, ah, it was a 45. That's

11:06

a big deal. But like it did suck the life out of the stadium.

11:08

Oh, yeah.

11:09

They carry perspectives like, oh, we've seen this before, haven't we?

11:11

Yeah, we have seen this a good bit before. And also the first 45, there's

11:15

not much is gonna be said about it because it's the first score of the game. But

11:17

like both Dublin and Kerry were clearly nervous

11:20

in those opening minutes, I think. Howard hits away

11:22

with shot, but before that, Shawnee O'Shea drops the

11:24

ball short. Both teams are nervous and then Cluckston,

11:26

obviously dead ball.

11:28

Everyone's nerves are count from that point on. And

11:30

then we have a game on our hands. So like, you can't just

11:32

underestimate what the stress of a 45 in

11:34

it in front of an 82,000 and a half, Cedar

11:36

Stadium in it on all our final day, you know? Yeah.

11:40

Is there a save of a game? To

11:42

be football of the year. I

11:45

think if Derry had got to the final, there'd be more of a

11:47

strong argument in favor. I

11:50

mean, bear in mind, I'm the points

11:52

count double in the final.

11:54

So very difficult to, and Berner

11:56

Brogan did win it. Yeah. Berner Brogan

11:58

was quiet against Cluck in the quarter. Which

12:01

counts against him? And he was out shot

12:03

by Brendan Rodgers in that semi-final, wasn't he?

12:06

Rodgers was the best player. Yeah, he did get decapitated,

12:08

punched in the

12:11

head, taken out from the sides. He was, you know, was

12:13

he targeted? The

12:15

first thing he targeted? Well marshaled,

12:18

yes. Yeah, well marshaled. You know, lived by the sword, died by the sword.

12:21

Anyway, look, give us your views. 087, 918, 180 is the WhatsApp

12:23

number. You can leave

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12:28

us, add off the ball to him. The other culture

12:30

war that's going on at the moment is the Dublinification

12:32

of the rest of the country. That slow, steady, gelatinous

12:36

creep

12:36

of the suburbs. And stealing

12:38

the internet. They're coming for you, man-o-hun

12:40

boy. Makes me sick, yeah, I can carry my cross in South

12:42

London and turn it into a commuter belt, potentially.

12:45

Yeah, a lot of people, Dublin people living in Carregnaise. You

12:47

want to be careful about that? That's where

12:49

it all starts. We're in the Dublin jerseys at the border.

12:52

Yeah, well that's the thing, there should be searches. I

12:54

don't agree with a border, generally speaking, but... In

12:57

this instance you're going to... For you I

12:59

will make an exception. Searches

13:01

would be just for other county jerseys. Dublin jerseys.

13:04

So, the story here is that...

13:06

Dunno More Ashbourne, the

13:08

club in Meath. So

13:11

of course, the Tattling Cup final was on recently.

13:13

And then of course the Dublin final at the weekend.

13:17

And we were wondering, did they even show the Tattling Cup final? Because

13:19

the clip we're about to show you, and trigger

13:21

warning for those affected by things

13:23

that might make them gag this early in the morning. But

13:26

this is in Meath, and this is a video of the

13:28

Dunno More Ashbourne Clubhouse and

13:31

Bar during the All-Ireland final on

13:33

Sunday. Have a look. For

13:38

our listeners, explain what's happening. Yeah, so it's

13:40

basically a sea of blue there. An absolute

13:42

sea of Dublin fans clapping, standing

13:44

on their feet, supporting the Dubs. A camera has

13:46

panned in fairness from one side. So

13:49

we're obviously, the TV is behind us, and

13:52

the camera has panned, and on the right hand side is the bar, and

13:54

on the left hand side is the windows that look out onto

13:56

the pitch. One of the training pitches.

13:59

I'm estimating there's only a couple

14:02

of hundreds Russian Ministry of Propaganda Watermark

14:04

in there at all. No genuine. No,

14:06

and this is off the it's an

14:09

Instagram

14:10

Real yeah, this is the door's official

14:13

social media. No, it's the bar. Oh, it's

14:15

a bar in the club Okay, right, which is not technically

14:18

the club of course, right? So the club

14:20

didn't put this up with the bar in the

14:22

club, which you would suspect might be connected

14:25

to them You know and they're like, yeah, no problems

14:27

now We have we obviously talked

14:30

about this yesterday Tommy Tommy brought it up he

14:32

did I may I brought it up and Tommy refused

14:35

to speak about it and then spoke about it and I

14:38

think people in me there are concerned, you know They

14:40

are concerned. So they should be yeah now We

14:43

we were speculating incorrectly We

14:46

should not speculate it was it was

14:48

wrong of us speculating such an important matter. Mm-hmm

14:51

This is a very very important matter and we should not let's

14:53

clear the air. I think there's no there's no fun

14:55

in this There's definitely no crack to be had in this

14:58

right? No, this is a serious serious

15:00

matter

15:01

Apparently the Towson Cup final was shown

15:03

in The same place

15:06

at the other and finally shown

15:07

and so we were corrected by that by a concerned

15:09

member or someone someone I think linked

15:12

Certainly to Ashburn and and

15:14

to the club I would imagine as well. So they have

15:17

set us on three bullet points They

15:19

felt of course compelled to point these things

15:21

out as you've just said you're he said done

15:23

a more Ashburn G a club Did show the Towson Cup final and

15:26

there was a huge push for tickets around the club The

15:29

second point was although there are lots of dubs who play great

15:31

part in volunteering done a more Ashburn Ashburn This

15:33

is a very well cropped video to the turnout on

15:36

the day

15:37

So there was loads of meat fans were major One

15:41

I think it was a new grind situation where we

15:43

only saw the sliver of Yeah,

15:45

and the third point was also I wouldn't be surprised if most

15:47

of the meat fans watch this one at home as it's

15:49

a Dark reminder of where Dublin and me they are in contrast

15:52

to the 90s. Oh shots fired there.

15:54

Yes, and look

15:56

is it wrong? Is it I don't

15:58

know does this Does it? It doesn't

16:00

matter.

16:01

Explain to me if it does. Like I'm. Oh,

16:04

it does matter. Well, you're from where you're from. Are they

16:06

supposed to stop being dubbed because they've moved county?

16:09

Like you lived in Dublin.

16:11

Yeah. And stop being a Monon fan.

16:13

Well, no, I haven't. Exactly.

16:16

Yes. What's the difference? Well, there aren't

16:18

the pub beside me in Dublin isn't putting on a watch party

16:20

for Monon fans. So the GEA club.

16:23

Well, the other one finally is on in the

16:25

local GEA club.

16:26

Are they a watch party? Now,

16:29

we are told that sometimes buses do

16:31

be organized to be going to

16:33

the games in Croker from

16:36

the club. And sometimes I don't

16:38

know, are the same. Is the same effort going

16:40

into getting the kids

16:43

to support me? It's hard

16:45

one. Like how do you who do you want your kids to

16:47

support if you're from a place? The concern for me is

16:49

not that the match was shown by Dunamore Ashburn. I

16:51

understand it's all and finally I completely get that

16:53

they're going to show the match on TV. The concern for me is I

16:56

would imagine I'm speaking on behalf of me people

16:58

here, but I would like to think 90%

17:00

of me fans wanted Kerry to

17:03

win that match on Sunday.

17:04

Let's be realistic. Dublin

17:06

and me have had a traditional rivalry in Leinster. 90% of

17:09

them wanted Kerry to win. Can confirm it's a rock and

17:11

a hard place for Kildare supporters. It was

17:13

like,

17:14

you know, come friendly bombs and fall and

17:16

this is the end of civilization. We never find out who won. We'd

17:18

be happy with that. We would have been happy. That's because Jack O'Connor.

17:21

The 98 team as well. It was a great day for Kildare. Of

17:23

course. Yeah.

17:25

Not tough at all. My issue is not

17:27

around the game being shown. It's the fact that

17:29

it's just a sea of Dublin jerseys. I would have expected

17:32

Dunamore Ashburner showing the match. Everyone's going

17:34

to land on their meath jerseys, supporting

17:36

Kerry, similar colors as well. Yeah. And

17:40

that would be the case. It was the fact that it was,

17:42

I don't agree with the commenter saying it

17:44

was a well-cropped video. I mean, pang around

17:47

enough. I got a DM from somebody

17:50

sicking me when I saw it. I'm a member of the club and a massive

17:52

meath fan. I actually tweeted it out for people to see. It was the person

17:54

who tweeted it. Didn't see a problem with it. No problem at

17:56

all with the influx of dubs to the club as it's helping us grow and

17:58

get better, but just do not...

19:54

the

20:00

day and go to your old local go into

20:02

the history of them of the

20:05

Dublin the early success of Dublin GA was

20:08

certainly apparently driven by a lot of cultures

20:10

coming up and being well we're gonna play football

20:12

here and getting good at it so you know

20:15

but now you're reaping the rewards of it no screw

20:17

you we've

20:18

got the we've got the football of the year I don't care who

20:20

it is it's just one of ours hmm do

20:23

we want to do people want to change the map and

20:25

stretch the border of Dublin into around

20:28

Ashburn is that is that where we're headed here is

20:31

that the pale just got bigger I don't

20:33

think that'll be a very popular decision

20:35

I have a really good friend from Ashburn

20:37

and I was like oh that's in Dublin and we didn't

20:39

speak for and they're a fervent need fan I know they

20:42

don't care about GA at all so even it on

20:45

a purely geographical basis it's a

20:47

bone of contention for them see I'd say now if

20:49

you said that to the lads sitting in the front

20:51

row and they're doing Jersey they'd be like yeah we are little

20:54

enclave hmm we lost my Venus except

20:56

you know the other way around yeah

20:58

like don't wash bring up some laughs like Brian Menton

21:00

was it on a more Ashburn player there's some some absolute

21:02

meat legends yeah not well now it's actually crow

21:04

closer to croaker than it is to Navin if you're

21:07

organizing buses infinity hmm I

21:10

don't know maybe somebody from the club will come on and

21:12

talk to us a bit about this and I'm sure

21:14

it must feel a little bit

21:17

I don't know does it feel normal when they're all playing together you'd

21:19

hope it does

21:21

yeah shouldn't the kids being me jerseys if they're

21:23

being brought up there says David Clark my

21:25

mom is go away dad is West me but I'm a rozzy

21:27

and it's the only Jersey I'd wear like

21:30

I feel that way I feel like

21:33

my kids are growing up in Dublin they should be Dublin supporters

21:37

I know other members of the

21:39

team who come from other counties

21:42

perhaps that West are buying

21:44

the Jersey if the I don't

21:46

know I mean yeah your kids would roll right and

21:49

wrong they grew up Dublin fans but they love a soft spot for

21:51

Kildare no no no you see my dad

21:54

was I grew up in Monaghan but my dad is from Galway

21:56

I never played each other as

21:58

in you never did It doesn't matter. It

22:01

doesn't matter. Yeah. Yeah.

22:04

I always had a soft spot. I used to wear a car with jerseys. I was

22:06

at the All-in-

22:16

I

22:28

was like, your kids can wear whatever jerseys you want. Yeah.

22:34

Michael says exactly. My

22:36

son plays for the local club in Carlo. This is where

22:38

we live now. I have other friends at Dublin that moved out

22:40

and their kids play for the local team. So we'll spread the players

22:42

out. It's true. And look, in the long

22:44

run,

22:46

Ashburn will benefit from this. But will me benefit from

22:48

it? I don't know. Will some of those kids

22:50

decide that they want to play into county for Dublin if they get really

22:52

good? And are Dublin

22:55

taking some of those players from outside

22:57

their county borders? I mean, are

23:01

they? Is that happening? I

23:03

think it might be. Mm. Surely not.

23:06

Have we blown this shit wide open? Possibly.

23:09

Mm. The thing is- Right,

23:11

so Ashburn- Dunmore Ashburn's last

23:13

made senior football championship. They've won three in their history.

23:16

1927, 1928, 1942.

23:19

So people of Ashburn come together. Even

23:21

if your parents are from Dublin and you're

23:24

forced as a kid to wear Dublin jerseys, you're

23:26

going to grow up playing for Dunmore Ashburn. That's why you're in

23:28

the clubhouse at the weekend. So you're watching this in 10, 15 years. Have

23:31

been Dunmore Ashburn winning meets in your championship. You

23:33

have to play for meath. If

23:35

you're good enough, you play for meath. Double-lunge

23:37

your county. Here's

23:39

what's coming up between now and 10 o'clock this

23:41

morning. Chloe Morey is going to talk to us

23:43

to preview the Kamoghi final on this

23:45

Sunday. Andy Mitton is going to talk to us about Manchester United's

23:48

tour of the United States, the ownership

23:50

situation and anything else you have on yourself. Julianne

23:54

Russell is going to talk about the great career that Nifai

23:56

has put together, is putting together, is it over from a

23:58

random perspective? We shall see.

23:59

Alan Quinlan, the World Cup is upon

24:02

us. One World Cup is dead, the new

24:04

one begins. And then Daniel Whiffen

24:06

was on the show last night talking about his incredible breakthrough

24:08

season as Ireland's best swimmer

24:11

in the men's. We started the conversation

24:13

yesterday in the office,

24:15

the day before in the office, about Dublin's

24:17

win and how fervently Jack

24:19

McCaffrey was celebrating. And

24:22

it got us all thinking, where does this rank?

24:24

It seemed to be with power ranking then, wasn't it? It was. The

24:27

nine since 2011. It's

24:29

hard,

24:29

isn't it, being the dub, you know? I mean, it must be

24:32

so tough. Which of my nine children are my favourite? Well,

24:34

maybe you should like, you know, get

24:36

the L-snip there at Dublin. It's not an easy one.

24:38

I don't know what do Dublin fans think. Like, 2011 was obviously

24:41

a 16-year gap,

24:42

massively important. And the most recent

24:45

one,

24:45

two-year, barren spell.

24:47

And probably because it's Stark, it's

24:49

the night as well. I asked Sean Potts this yesterday

24:52

when I was texting him, public in a course,

24:55

in Dublin. And his opinion was

24:57

it almost rivals 2011. People

24:59

in tears again and it was excruciatingly dramatic last 10

25:01

minutes. If and probably when the older

25:03

crew step away, they will do so at the very pinnacle.

25:06

You really get that luxury in sport. So maybe

25:08

this is second, or maybe joint first

25:10

for some Dublin fans I feel. Maybe

25:12

there was one in the middle, 2015 was important, beating Kerry

25:14

as well.

25:16

Does the quality of the final come into it? That's

25:18

what I want to know. Possibly, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Is

25:21

it the worst quality in terms of

25:23

overall football? The final is the more

25:25

tense and exciting it becomes. I

25:28

think the proximity to

25:30

disaster is what makes it great. Yeah. So

25:33

the replay ones have to be up there as well then. The top of

25:35

the morning tea is the Grand Manion and it's a picture

25:37

of Paul Manion at

25:38

Smithfield. This was obviously from the other night when

25:41

they were celebrating and the comments are embargoed

25:43

and he's like, oh, I came back for one last tour. Right.

25:46

That's basically what he says in one point. And then

25:48

it's like, on the other hand, if everybody

25:50

else decides to say, that's going to be very hard to say

25:53

no. So I've gone from being like,

25:55

oh, that's it, man. They're not going to. That's great. I agree

25:58

with the person who told me.

25:59

They want to win less next year tonight. Oh my god,

26:02

please to stop it. No, congratulations

26:05

You've broken all the records go away now.

26:07

Yeah, go away

26:08

the drive for 10. What are they gonna call it next year?

26:11

They'll come up with something for it Dandelion

26:14

he says 2017 versus male seemed like a huge one to Michael

26:16

says this one of the sweetest admit my opinion been at all

26:19

of them even 95 and this feels better than 2011 better

26:21

than 2011 But

26:24

I can see that 2011 is like just

26:26

as dambor stuff. Oh, it's great. We've won

26:29

on our island We have no idea how good the team is now.

26:31

They've frank themselves as like you've witnessed

26:34

the greatest

26:35

Collection of footballers that have ever existed.

26:37

Yeah, like the legend of So

26:41

was a potty and Mikey she was there somebody to Jack

26:43

to Jack. I also have eight But

26:46

the legend of those Kerry footballers

26:48

is the type of thing that has sustained Gaelic

26:51

footballs glamour Seven

26:53

Jack half a century. Mmm. Mmm.

26:56

And that's what this team are doing. They're

26:58

like they're injecting

27:01

history and Like

27:04

showbiz at the same time into

27:06

the game and so I can see why if you're a Dublin fan

27:08

I mean, I don't know. I have no idea what this is like

27:10

again Just a bitter

27:12

jealousy. Yeah Yeah, because

27:14

they all returned like it's like

27:17

it's seven last dance It's like whatever

27:19

whatever bad pop culture analogy you want You

27:22

can apply it to this and nobody can correct you because

27:24

they wrote the bloody Hollywood ending. Mmm,

27:27

like Pluckston How

27:29

did this happen? Yeah, it seems like

27:32

on a whim doesn't it did this happen? Yeah You'd

27:35

wonder I would argue a element of

27:37

schadenfreude comes into it, too I certainly

27:39

feel dandelion he's mentioning the YouTube comments 2017

27:42

versus Mayo seemed like a huge one That's

27:44

the one that hurts the most for me. That's my

27:46

own. Yeah, the young girls was the draw Young

27:49

those was no, sorry. The young girls was the year before

27:51

and 2017 was the Keegan goal.

27:54

They got way early on now. You you have

27:57

a king. Got is it Keegan throwing their GPS?

28:00

I think it might be as well. Yeah, let's just get

28:02

this right. Let's get this right. Yeah, so many we

28:05

got Yeah a way of searching

28:07

this Search engine. Yes

28:11

Year was it now? That's the Clifford

28:15

44 that's 2017 that the GPS yet, right?

28:18

I Mean that was an unbelievable

28:20

one. Yeah, that's pretty amazing like

28:24

Dublin fans. Let us know how do you rank them one

28:26

to nine? I like you

28:28

for me I can't see how 2011 can be beaten

28:31

but then again

28:32

It's for double. It's a very personal thing. It's

28:35

where you were who you're with how you watched

28:37

the game as well how you felt

28:39

No, don't do double fans gonna have the same

28:42

same order one time. I'd imagine like snowflakes

28:45

bang on That's

28:48

the first reference this morning there could be some more coming

28:50

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29:17

big game this weekend and

29:19

in Kamo they take over the entire GA

29:22

narrative. Hopefully I'd say Chloe more is

29:24

with us Chloe Good morning to you. How are you?

29:26

Hey lads, how's it going? Good. Thanks. Um

29:29

One of the things about the

29:31

Microwave season is that everything gets a bit telescoped?

29:34

as a Kamo supporter,

29:38

how do you feel the season has been

29:41

covered in somewhat of the

29:43

shadow of The big games that

29:45

have been coming thick and fast

29:47

Yeah To

29:49

be honest, I'd say the whole season is probably

29:53

taken over with our you know, the GPA

29:55

and kind of our

29:57

protests and trophy championship

30:00

but it is

30:02

quite condensed.

30:03

I suppose I'm speaking as a club player as well. There

30:06

are plenty of girls who are only

30:08

itching for matches as well and I think from that

30:11

point of view,

30:12

like we start our club championship down the next week. So

30:14

our junior players are actually

30:16

in the first match of the day on Sunday. So like

30:19

I'm looking at it from a club point of view and a county

30:21

point of view, there's girls going for

30:24

about 10 months at a time. It's just a constant and it's

30:26

the same with all into country pairs. In

30:28

terms of the media coverage and stuff, it's

30:30

probably unfortunately this year been overshadowed

30:32

by the protest. But what

30:35

can I say? I

30:37

think we're in store for a really good

30:39

match on Sunday or three matches even on Sunday.

30:44

It is hard for any journalist probably to cover the matches as

30:46

they're coming between the hurling, the football and the Kamoabi.

30:49

But we get on with it and yeah, we're

30:52

looking forward to great finds on Sunday.

30:53

We'll talk more maybe

30:56

as the conversation goes on about the rest of

30:58

the season. So let's preview the final

31:00

and the board of our story is really

31:02

remarkable where they've come from in the last couple of years.

31:05

You will have come up against them. Have you sensed

31:08

this has been brewing over the last five

31:10

years or has it largely come out of nowhere?

31:13

No, it probably has. Me, Motford have been on

31:15

the up for the last number of years. Myself

31:19

is a care woman and I play with them, I land them

31:22

beside them against them. Probably annoying

31:24

for me, I'm quite jealous because we would have thought we

31:26

were on the same trajectory as them, but

31:29

to be fair, they've put in an amount

31:31

of work. They have some superb players like,

31:35

and I think everybody except

31:37

anybody in Cork is going for a lot of words. Like

31:40

they be Cork the last

31:42

time they played, 118 to 115. Cork

31:47

definitely don't like that.

31:48

So I think

31:51

it's gonna be a huge occasion for those

31:53

in Watford. I hope that

31:55

occasion doesn't take over the Watford players.

31:57

They have someone who...

31:59

players and they probably actually

32:02

play very similar to Cork. It's going to be like

32:04

a very much a running game on Sunday. You'll see

32:06

it's very athletic. The players that they have both

32:08

Cork and Watford. We

32:11

played Watford ourselves very early

32:13

on in a challenge match this year, Claire,

32:15

and it was feisty to say the least, but

32:18

we have a habit in Claire of beating

32:21

or playing people who get to not learn final and beat them. We did the

32:23

same Guinsey County last year and they ended up winning

32:25

it. So maybe that might be a good omen for

32:27

Watford,

32:28

but it's class. They're going to have

32:31

an amount of support. They're suggesting

32:33

that it could be a record-breaking attendance for a Kamoge because

32:37

of that Watford support. So it's

32:39

going to be a huge occasion. I think there's going to be a lot more

32:41

people tuned in to see how Watford get on. Second

32:43

time ever reaching a final. It's going to be brilliant.

32:46

They were intermediate as recently as 2015. So

32:48

obviously huge amount of work has gone in at underage

32:51

level and proper coaching and structures

32:53

and everything. But as you point out, that's

32:56

great. But

32:57

you need the good quality players. So for

33:00

people who are tuning in on Sunday, who

33:02

maybe haven't seen that much of the season so far, who should

33:04

we be looking out for?

33:06

Probably someone who's going to be,

33:09

she'll probably get Player of the Year or nominated for

33:11

at least Beth Karkin is immense.

33:14

She has three all-stars already. She's only,

33:16

is she 24, 25? She'd

33:18

be playing around center-fours, but you'll

33:20

see her all over the pitch. She tends to go back into the half-back

33:23

line, pick it up, and she could score anywhere from

33:25

probably midfield on. She's the free-taker

33:27

as well. Beth is superb. Very

33:29

hard to mark. You think you have her, but you definitely don't.

33:32

She can shoot from anywhere. So for Walter,

33:34

the Beth Karten, you have probably

33:36

someone who's incredibly under-raised in terms of her work rate,

33:39

Captain Lorraine Bray. There's going

33:41

to be a really good duel there between herself and Saoirse McCarthy,

33:43

I feel. Saoirse McCarthy also probably a

33:46

shoe-in for getting nominated for Player of the Year. She's an immense

33:48

pair for Kark. You

33:50

have Nev Rockett, as the name

33:52

suggests. She's incredibly fast. It just so

33:54

happens she'll also be excellent. She'll

33:56

be on the wing probably for Wofford, but very

33:59

hard to stop when she's ready.

33:59

running. So you've Lorraine Braid, Beth,

34:02

Niamh Raket, their goalie Brianna is brilliant.

34:05

Can actually take long range trees, but superb in

34:07

her puck outs as well.

34:08

Yeah, so

34:10

those are probably key players from Watford on the Cork

34:12

side. They have some bench

34:14

to bring on. I mean, if you looked at the semi-final,

34:17

they were on an Ashley Thompson, Laura Hayes, and

34:21

they like class, they've

34:23

beaten Kilkenny and Galway, who probably were their

34:25

bogey team the last two seasons. I think they

34:27

feel a bit hurt. They probably feed people out and

34:29

giving them a chance all year, which is funny for Cork, but

34:32

people kind of overlooked them seeing as some of their senior

34:34

players were out, like Ashley was out with her

34:36

knee, Laura with her ankle, but they've actually

34:38

come and they're probably going to peek at the right time.

34:40

So you have, yeah, if Laura,

34:43

Tracy's well central back, that would be interesting with

34:45

Beth. Is she going to follow Beth back into the half back line

34:48

or is she going to sit? But

34:50

like, it's funny with Cork, any of the A players that

34:52

are in the middle of the field could probably play between the half

34:54

back line, half hour line on the field. Like

34:57

that goes for Chloe Sigerson, that goes for Saoirse McCarthy,

34:59

Laura Hayes. It'll almost

35:02

be like a possession game on Sunday. There

35:04

won't be any positions if you're looking at

35:06

it, because both teams play such

35:08

a running game, they almost do one, two, they'll pop and

35:10

run, pop and run.

35:12

But I feel that there might be a little bit more space

35:15

in the Cork full back line. I think sometimes they're

35:17

there for the taking. And I say that as a city

35:19

or now, and I'll be watching the game for my seat, but

35:22

I think they're going

35:24

to have to figure out a way to stop

35:26

Beth and especially leave Raffkitt, Abby

35:29

as well, in the full forward line for Watford.

35:32

But like, look, the same goes for

35:34

Watford to Cork. They're

35:35

going to have a huge space inside that Cork

35:38

full forward line. You don't know whether they're

35:40

going to run it or they're going to hit it in and you

35:42

have to figure out, are we going to push up on Cork

35:44

or are we going to sit back? Because

35:45

you're going to have people like Chloe Sigerson who can score from

35:47

out the field, Beth will be doing the same for Watford. It

35:50

will be an absolute battlefield

35:53

in that middle third.

36:00

Waterford's chances greatly. Just looking at the

36:02

semifinal, I think she had 20 possessions,

36:04

eight points for them from play. So is

36:07

it a case that if you can keep her quiet, you can really damage

36:09

Waterford's chances?

36:11

You probably could, I suppose. Look,

36:13

she's such a huge player, she's such a leader. Beth

36:16

is a type of person now, and if you were ever to talk to Beth,

36:19

she'd be just laughing and joking and she's kind

36:21

of very unassuming, very quiet girl.

36:23

But when she plays, like

36:25

she does her talking on the pitch, she's immense for Waterford.

36:29

I think Waterford, while they

36:32

do have that balance, I think if you

36:35

see your star player, I suppose,

36:37

as you say, be nullified, whether

36:39

that be by Laura Tracy, Laura Hayes

36:41

or Saoirse McCarthy, I assume one of them might pick her up.

36:45

You're kind of thinking, it's up to someone else

36:47

now to try and get those

36:49

points that Beth normally would be. So

36:52

Cork would probably really look to Man-Mark

36:54

Beth. I assume she does run all over the

36:57

place. I think it'd be silly not to try Man-Mark

36:59

Beth, but I do think Cork may

37:01

have

37:02

the people to do that. Now, if Ashton Thompson plays as

37:05

well, Ashton tends to sweep up behind as well.

37:07

So you could just have someone follow her

37:10

shadow Beth and whatever Beth tries to do,

37:12

you can try to read

37:14

where she's going to hit it. Ashton Thompson tends

37:16

to do that for the half back line if she does

37:18

start.

37:19

Do you expect her to start? I

37:22

mean, if I had Ashton Thompson on my panel, I probably would, yeah.

37:25

She's probably coming back just

37:27

the right time. Now, imagine

37:29

bringing Ashton Thompson on as well as a sub and

37:31

imagine having the depth in your panel to do that.

37:33

I think Cork probably have a stronger

37:35

bench than Waterford.

37:39

They have some brilliant young guns, Cork, that

37:41

are kind of up and coming this year that

37:43

have really shown in the senior championship.

37:46

So it's probably a hard one for Matthew to mean is management,

37:49

do

37:49

you

37:50

play one of your best players or do you want to try to bring her on

37:53

in case you need to settle because

37:55

Ashton Thompson, that's what she does. She tends to settle in calm

37:58

with the way she plays. She sweeps up ball.

37:59

She's excellent at picking up people with delivery.

38:02

So I mean I'll start your bush Look

38:05

corker the master

38:07

at tactics. So We'll

38:10

see what happens.

38:10

And you didn't use the word chippy, but

38:13

there was a sense of that. It's okay

38:15

We can we can use it you can for

38:17

future Battles with them

38:20

like that underdogs status go ahead beating them three

38:22

times already this year Twice in the National

38:25

League and once in the round Robin and then they beat them in the semi-final

38:27

But whatever about water for being overawed by the

38:30

occasion There are ghosts for this

38:32

Cork team to slay from last year when last

38:34

puck of the ball. They lost the all-out of finals so Psychologically,

38:38

you can see that swinging either way

38:40

Oh, absolutely. I mean like if you talk about water

38:42

being obviously newcomers to this stage and maybe having

38:44

those nerves Cork

38:46

might feel like I feel like the court

38:48

the pressures on Cork because everybody just

38:51

whether rightly or on me or just assuming

38:53

Cork might and You know

38:55

go off and they could potentially wipe water

38:57

now. I don't think that's going to happen at all I think if water

39:00

can keep calm and ride out

39:02

any storm that Cork will bring Corkum

39:04

and waves and if you can capitalize then on sometimes

39:06

when they're trying to figure out what you're doing,

39:09

which they do sometimes and That's

39:11

where water can capitalize I think our do

39:13

have maybe a little bit of pressure them because they probably

39:16

assume that now they might be getting camped But

39:19

that they are favorites.

39:20

They will have some I suppose

39:24

From being sorry from being to Kenny and Cork

39:27

and they'll take that positively going into the

39:29

final But they haven't won since 2018 and

39:31

still in Cork, that's probably seen as a drought so

39:34

they'll feel like there's a little bit of pressure on them and

39:37

look they're used to playing Crow Park though and

39:39

When you're in Crow Park huge expansive

39:41

fields if you're new

39:44

coming a newcomer to that like Watford

39:46

It almost takes your breath away for the first few minutes You're

39:48

trying to catch your breath where those are things that

39:51

you know, Cork could capitalize on

39:52

Is it encouraging from water water

39:55

for perspective Chloe in terms of dealing

39:57

with the occasion the semi-final

39:59

performance in the desert? conditions like they go one

40:01

seven to three points down I think it was to to prairie

40:04

which is difficult in those sort of conditions to be seven points

40:06

back and but then they come back and they find their rhythm

40:08

and even later on there's a lovely moment where and

40:11

Leisha Forrest she's only 18 and she makes an unbelievable

40:13

block from Quiva McCarthy to kind of almost

40:16

secure the game and get them over the line by a

40:18

single point so to those little moments

40:20

and that I guess come back from Waterford in the semi-final

40:22

hint at maybe being able to deal with this occasion.

40:26

Absolutely I hope so I really do hope

40:28

so because I actually think of Waterford like not

40:30

even staying it but just keep toe

40:32

to toe a cork and I really think they should go toe to toe

40:35

a cork you're gonna have a you I

40:37

think anything could happen then and they're

40:39

really resilient they really are and they're very physical

40:42

they with the knocks and the

40:44

tackles that you get in those rocks

40:46

and you know it would almost twinge

40:48

from playing against them and they

40:50

are so athletic especially coming out the back

40:54

they pop and pass pop and pass

40:56

and yeah I think they're incredibly resilient like they've

40:58

already beaten Cork they beat probably

41:00

what a lot of people were considering Tipperary

41:02

to go on to the final potentially win it this

41:04

is probably tips one of their best teams

41:06

in a while that has most people available to them like

41:08

they beat them and they beat them by point as well and I

41:12

think there's a huge resilience in Waterford and I hope

41:14

I really hope they go toe to toe a cork and I just

41:17

hope that the occasion doesn't and

41:19

overall them as you say because I actually

41:21

think if it comes down to the close and you know 10 10 minutes

41:25

that's 16th person up in

41:27

Crawl Park sends I think there'd be a huge Waterford

41:29

support I think that could help them greatly and it's been

41:31

mentioned by every team they've played the

41:34

support of Waterford, Camogie that

41:36

they bring with them so I think if it comes

41:38

if they can really go toe to toe them keep

41:40

their heads anything could happen on

41:42

Sunday. The good thing from Waterford's perspective

41:44

is even if they're getting blown out in the first half they

41:46

were getting blown out in the first half against Tipperary

41:48

and they managed to come back so like that

41:51

you know you don't want to be 1-7 to 3 points

41:53

down after 25 minutes

41:56

like that they were in the semi final

41:58

but being able to claw your way out

41:59

out of that

42:01

is a real sign of a team that has resilience and maybe

42:03

had some nerves in the semifinal. And if you're the management,

42:06

you're you're walking them through, OK,

42:08

this is what's going to happen. This is how the the

42:10

anthem is going to be. It's going to be loud. It's going to

42:12

be a completely different atmosphere for anything you've ever experienced

42:14

in life. But actually, we've been through worse than

42:16

this.

42:18

Absolutely. No, like I think you have to draw on those

42:20

experiences and certainly as a player, like,

42:23

you know, listen,

42:24

every team now has their sports psychologists,

42:26

their management and it's literally drawn that confidence

42:29

and instilling that in the

42:31

players that you've probably been through worse.

42:34

You've like you've already done what you're supposed

42:36

in terms of like you've already beaten Cork, you've already

42:38

beaten favorites to get here. Like now

42:41

you're on a stage where, you know, you

42:43

have which will suit Watford as well. A

42:45

big pitch because they

42:47

are very athletic team. And

42:50

I think people will see that if they watch the game on Sunday.

42:52

It's kind of like for like Cork

42:54

and Watford. But yeah, no, they're look,

42:56

they're incredibly resilient. As I said, as a Kamoagisport

42:59

or action, I do hope to go toe to toe.

43:02

I think they're a little bit more physical than Cork.

43:05

So if they can keep with them, they might knock

43:08

the window of their sales a little bit. And I

43:10

think there's goals for the taking against Cork.

43:13

Galloway scored two in the semifinal. Cork

43:15

didn't score any. So I think

43:18

and it's noted that Watford can put away one or two

43:20

themselves. So it's going to be

43:22

good. That's an important point as well, Chloe, on

43:24

the goals, isn't it? Like those couple

43:26

of Siobhan McGragals in the semifinal.

43:29

I think the second one was Amy Lee, obviously

43:31

drops the ball and kind of a

43:33

messy goal to concede from a Cork perspective.

43:35

But that's something that Watford can

43:38

really, really target because and

43:40

you can target it. It's one of those things, isn't it,

43:42

that sometimes people say, how can you hug

43:44

the team, target goals? Of course, they want to score a goal. If they

43:46

get a chance, they'll take it. But Galloway even got

43:49

chances before those,

43:50

before that first Siobhan McGragal, they were getting in for

43:52

different chances. So as you say, Cork certainly

43:55

let up goal chances. Yeah, look,

43:57

as I said, I think the Cork pre-backline.

43:59

I think they do need that cover

44:02

from the half backline, but if the half backline have to

44:04

push out with the half hour dino for Watford, which

44:06

they will do, there'll

44:08

be an awful lot of space there. They're very pacey

44:11

inside. So yeah,

44:14

there are definitely goals there for

44:16

the taking for Watford. The

44:18

great if there was a few goals and a Sunday, a nice spectacle,

44:21

but like it always comes down, a lot of time

44:23

with Freeze is Ellen Kamogie, whether that's

44:25

a good or a bad thing. Hopefully, please

44:27

God, the referee lets it play on Sunday,

44:30

and let it be the physical and athletic

44:32

contest it's going

44:34

to hopefully be. But

44:36

I think that's a big point as well. Beth is

44:38

superb on her Freeze and Cork

44:41

throughout the championship have

44:43

been kind of going between free takers.

44:45

Now they have loads of them that can take Freeze, but it's about finding

44:47

that one person who's consistently

44:50

able to take them. So that can be a big thing that comes down

44:52

to as well, just the consistency of the free taken on

44:55

Sunday. But look, hopefully the ref lets it play and

44:58

we get a really good come over after Sunday.

44:59

It's obviously a triple header, as you said. So

45:01

five o'clock in Croker's, the senior final, you've got Meevan

45:03

Derry at 245 in the intermediate, and the junior

45:06

is 12.50, Clare against Tip. Does

45:09

it bring back memories for you as well? Chloe, I know

45:11

you are,

45:12

if you go back to the 2008, all-Ireland junior final,

45:15

Clare, awfully, you're 15 years

45:17

of age. Like that must have been mental.

45:20

Yeah, I was gawking out my mouth at the stand and I was

45:22

taking off after 22 minutes because I was looking

45:25

up to see where my dad was and my mother. But

45:28

I was, geez, I was so thankful to experience.

45:32

Yeah, it was 2008 since Clare got

45:34

there.

45:35

There were women there I played with that are

45:38

like icons of Clare Camogie. And

45:40

after winning that, I think it was Shona Knight who got that

45:42

last minute goal. I've never

45:45

experienced anything like it. The support we

45:47

got even when we came down to Clare. I

45:49

can't remember, was I in my junior search here, just about, I

45:51

think I was just going into junior search. So

45:54

I was in St. James at the time. It

45:58

was madness, it was brilliant.

45:59

But

46:01

yeah, look, I hope like we've been training. We've

46:03

gone about new ways here in Clare. We're

46:06

trying the seniors and the juniors trained together.

46:10

I suppose we're trying to change the way things are done here. So

46:12

I've played with all those girls this year. And honestly,

46:14

there are some girls there, the stalwarts

46:17

that I really do hope they come out with a win on

46:19

Sunday.

46:20

We've such experience in the back and

46:22

we have girls. We've really paid see forwards.

46:25

I was trying to follow them around throughout the year. And

46:28

put to no avail, they're excellent, excellent

46:30

players.

46:31

And I think

46:32

probably there is definitely probably three

46:35

or four that could have played

46:37

for us this year, I suppose. And, you know,

46:39

we have that conundrum here at the minute where

46:42

you're almost, you know, Robin, you know,

46:44

Paul to play Peter, whatever that saying is in terms

46:46

of we could have players for senior this year, but

46:48

trying to make sure are we building them the right way? But

46:51

look, it's come out of trumps there in a final now.

46:54

And I hope I hope

46:56

they do. They deserve it. There's a huge,

46:59

huge effort gone into getting

47:01

these girls into the finals. So I

47:03

hope to do it against TIP. It'll be that'll

47:05

be good matches out to bear young themselves.

47:08

They do have some experience. But

47:11

I think I can only go for care when there I

47:14

wouldn't be a great one. But but

47:16

then there you need that would be an excellent game as well.

47:18

It's been tit for tat with them. They're

47:21

incredibly physical as all Northern

47:23

teams are. They are incredibly resilient

47:25

as well. I

47:26

think me. They've had probably

47:28

tougher runs to find the very excellent hurdlers,

47:31

actually great stick women. And

47:34

I probably tip maybe me for that one.

47:36

And I was just looking it up there.

47:38

The

47:39

Waterford Beat Kildare in 2015 in the intermediate

47:41

final. And Beth Carton was playing. She must have been a similar

47:44

age when to you and you were winning

47:46

the junior. When she won the player

47:48

of the month award in April, it was almost

47:50

exactly the same week that Kildare pulled out

47:52

of the intermediate championship this year. So

47:55

you can see that

47:56

the difference between something that's being well

47:58

run in the county and something that's not being.

47:59

well-run in the county,

48:01

the divergent paths. There's no better example

48:03

of two teams who were exactly on

48:06

the same path now, granted it was

48:08

2-9-1-5, so it was a fairly clear cut win for Waterford

48:10

in the day, to a team who were in the All-IN final,

48:13

hopefully bringing a record crowd versus

48:15

a county that can't even feel properly.

48:17

And I think maybe that's at the

48:20

heart of the integration

48:22

and the charter, and that's maybe

48:25

the most clear-cut example for people who are wondering,

48:28

why was the championship played

48:30

under protest this year? Stuff like that

48:32

presumably.

48:34

Yeah, no, exactly. And I

48:36

think it's very important to bring those issues to life because

48:38

sometimes we tend to

48:40

sugar goat things,

48:42

I think, with women's sports, like, oh look, isn't

48:44

it great? This has happened, this has happened, we're

48:46

going to get a record break in attendance. And all those things

48:48

are excellent. And to be fair, to be fair

48:50

to both the ladies Gaelic football,

48:53

the Camogie and the GAA, this

48:55

year they decided at some point after protesting,

48:58

they decided, look, it's going to be for the betterment of the game

49:00

if we can meet and talk about this charter. And they

49:02

did eventually to be fair to them. So, I

49:04

mean, there's an

49:07

excellent thing. And as a player, for them to

49:09

have listened to just our concerns about that is

49:11

excellent. But we can't go without that

49:14

fact that Kildare and Waterford

49:16

were pretty much on the same level pegging. And

49:18

as you said, putting

49:20

efficient resources, I think that's important, efficiently

49:23

putting resources into something you can see it's

49:25

come up

49:26

amazingly well for Waterford. And unfortunately

49:28

for those who play Camogie and Kildare,

49:31

they're probably going to be watching Sunday going,

49:33

like, you know, is anybody looking at this?

49:35

There's a huge issue here. There's been problems.

49:38

Like, we need to, as you say,

49:40

integration or

49:42

there needs to be, and I think there is a proper view, I think, Liam

49:44

Sheedy's actually heading it up as well, about what

49:47

actually has happened and what are we going to do

49:49

about it for Sam. Yeah, I think that's

49:51

an important point to note for people who are maybe

49:53

just about to get into Camogie or just watch them Sunday.

49:55

You can't sugarcoat things all

49:57

the time and sometimes things have to be dealt with.

50:00

and passing off

50:02

responsibility all the time. And it's your fault, it's your

50:04

fault. It's this person's, like everybody has

50:06

to come together. There's normally, whoever plays Kmogi, you're

50:08

into Kmogi.

50:09

There's solutions, everyone wants solution.

50:12

Nobody's just given out for the sake of giving out.

50:14

That's what I'd always say. So if someone has an issue, you need

50:16

to try to deal with it.

50:18

So I hope that

50:21

review

50:22

can see, have a look at what first and go,

50:24

well, where have we gone wrong from here? And I think there's

50:26

lots of other teams in that position as well. Lots

50:29

of sugarcoating going on. So

50:32

look, hopefully we know integration is

50:35

years away. I understand it, a

50:37

huge process, but I think there's

50:39

loads of little steps you can do. We have the one

50:41

plug model. Yeah, there's

50:43

loads of different things we do. So look, hopefully

50:46

people,

50:46

yeah. But there is, it

50:49

could be years away or it could be really

50:51

quick if everybody just decided they were gonna make it really

50:53

quick. Like that's the other side of this, that not

50:56

the sugarcoater. I think that's exactly what

50:58

should happen anyway. No, it's just being politically correct.

51:00

If I could, yeah, like I would not be

51:02

quick to happen as soon as possible. I mean,

51:04

there's people saying this has to happen, that has to happen fine.

51:07

I actually think the biggest problem is the

51:09

mindset change between those

51:12

traditionally maybe within who think

51:14

Kamoaghi should be itself and GAA should

51:17

be itself and Lady's Day, like football, we should all

51:19

just worry about ourselves. There's a mindset there,

51:21

like it's a cultural mindset about well, why

51:23

are they getting that and how would they make this

51:25

or what?

51:26

Listen, I think-

51:27

That's my field ball. That's what

51:30

it is, that's my field ball. That's what it is. Like,

51:33

oh no, you can't have hot showers, I'm sorry. No, so

51:36

then the under 16 boys won't have a hot showers. You're

51:38

like, come on, come on,

51:39

come on. Yeah, there's

51:40

a mindset change that needs to happen across

51:42

all of sports, I think definitely in terms of GAA. We're

51:45

all the one family where everybody's working

51:47

together to create something that is completely

51:49

unique in the world. Isn't

51:51

that enough? How do we all do that together?

51:54

And there's your, that's it, there's no argument Chloe,

51:56

great stuff, we'll definitely come back to this. Thanks a million. Thanks

52:00

very much, Ted. Enjoy the games. Cheers.

52:03

It's Chloe Morey there giving us a preview of the All-Ireland Kamoge

52:05

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52:07

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52:14

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experience. Andy Mitten, good morning to you.

52:37

How are you?

52:40

I'm jet lagged and

52:42

I'm all right. I'm looking forward to coming to Dublin

52:45

at the weekend. I've missed the deadline

52:47

for accreditation. I'm seeing

52:49

how cheap your capital city is. Oh,

52:51

accommodation as well. Oh, absolutely.

52:54

I've got coffee everywhere. I

52:56

know I'm all right, but I just woke up at two

52:59

o'clock in the morning. Nine hour time difference between

53:02

Las Vegas and Europe. I

53:04

was in Vegas for the final game of Manchester

53:06

United's pre-season tour. So I'll

53:09

get some sleep, come to Dublin, do the night

53:11

on Saturday at the Sugar Club. Then we've got the game against

53:13

the Basques of Athletic Club

53:15

and looking forward to it. Yeah, I

53:17

think it's going to be great. The atmosphere should be amazing. It'll

53:20

be essentially a home game for Manchester United.

53:24

What kind of team do you think

53:26

ends up playing?

53:28

How close to the full team does he need to start

53:30

getting game time into? We're

53:33

essentially two weeks away from the first league

53:35

game.

53:36

What's your instinct about who'll play and who won't play?

53:39

I'm glad you've asked that because I've just looked at my Instagram

53:41

messages and it seems that 2.8 million

53:44

Irish people have asked the same question. People

53:48

have bought tickets. They want to know what the team's going to be in and

53:50

that's fair enough. I think it will be

53:52

a balanced respect for the fact

53:54

that people have paid a lot of money for tickets and

53:56

tickets have been expensive on these pre-season tours.

54:00

and games at Old Trafford and

54:02

also a balancing act because the big

54:04

game at Old Trafford on Saturday. That's

54:07

purposely kicking off early on Saturday.

54:09

So 10-Hog, I think will be at both, but I

54:12

think you see some big names in Dublin

54:14

as well. I don't

54:16

think you'll see the absolute strongest

54:18

Manchester United team in either. Equally,

54:21

you won't be seeing the type of team

54:23

United put out against Reksom

54:25

in San Diego a few days ago. So

54:28

there will be some names there and I

54:30

think Manchester United are very aware of

54:33

the huge support in the Republic of Ireland. I think

54:35

it'll be stronger than the team,

54:37

which went out against Leeds in Oslo

54:39

because preseason's much more advanced.

54:41

All the players are back now and he's also

54:43

got a big squad. He actually needs to get rid of players.

54:46

Some of them who are big names, so

54:48

they need minutes. They're gonna get them at

54:50

the wonderful Aviva Stadium. The price of

54:52

these preseason tickets, Andy, is farcical, isn't it?

54:54

I mean, a lot of people paid big money

54:57

over in America, I guess, to see that Reksom United game

55:00

even the most fervent United supporter, I think, if they could have named

55:02

three of the starting 11, they'd have been doing quite

55:04

well. Like, it's a bit of a

55:06

joke.

55:08

Yeah, and I've been writing about it and covering

55:10

it and it concerns me.

55:13

There's a few factors here.

55:15

Dynamic pricing is used. I

55:18

don't like it. It's used in the

55:20

airline industry. It's very common in the United States.

55:23

The economy in California or New York is

55:25

far stronger than Europe. The dollar being

55:27

strong means people are just used to paying a

55:29

lot more

55:31

for tickets. So I get why

55:33

they're expensive and Manchester

55:35

United are not cheap. Even though the club are not charging

55:38

or setting the ticket prices, it's the promoter,

55:40

but the promoter needs to charge high prices

55:43

because Manchester United are not cheap to get over.

55:45

But some of them prices for the Reksom

55:47

game probably

55:48

averaged $160 for Manchester United's

55:53

under 21s team.

55:55

It is ridiculous because so

55:57

much progress has been made on ticket prices.

55:59

games in England, that £30 cap

56:02

for Premier League games marked real progress

56:04

from fans. Ticket prices

56:06

for Old Trafford are really reasonable. I've

56:09

had people in the last year

56:11

get tickets for face value

56:13

and say, is this some sort of joke? Is it really

56:16

only £34? Or is a pint really

56:19

only £3? I'm like, yeah, it is. That's

56:21

the truth. But the preseason games

56:24

in New York sold

56:26

out. $200 average ticket prices against

56:28

Arsenal. Vegas at the weekend didn't

56:30

sell out. Crowd of 50,000, 69,000 seat

56:34

stadium. What a stadium, by the way.

56:37

And tickets prices for that

56:39

were really expensive. But they came down

56:41

because they're using this dynamic pricing.

56:43

So I was hearing stories of people in Los

56:45

Angeles saying, we saw tickets

56:48

have dropped to $50.

56:50

So we decided to make the drive over. So this

56:54

is how the tickets are priced there. But I don't

56:56

like it. To be fair to Manchester United,

56:59

they did try and sort out fans

57:01

who traveled over for

57:03

like $60 and

57:06

also had a good connection with the season

57:08

ticket holders and

57:10

support clubs as well to try and help them. But

57:13

yeah, overall, ridiculous.

57:15

Tell me how you feel the offseason has

57:17

been for Manchester United so far. It's obviously incomplete.

57:19

The transfer deadline doesn't close until

57:21

the end of the month. So there's still plenty of time for more

57:24

likely more exits than incomings, but

57:26

still some key incomings to be completed as well.

57:30

I'm all right about it. And why am I like that?

57:32

Well, I had a good sit down with Eric Tenharg

57:34

at the weekend, speaking to different

57:36

players on and off the record coaching staff.

57:39

If you're going to judge results pre-season,

57:41

that's usually misleading.

57:43

So Manchester United have lost the last three games, did

57:46

well against Arsenal in New York. I'm

57:49

optimistic about the signings have come in. The fact that they've

57:51

come in quite early, new goalkeeper, Mason

57:54

Mount in midfield, plasma's oil and as well

57:56

up front. I think every

57:59

incoming signing. Fans

58:00

have an idealised version that is going to be

58:02

successful. In reality, it's about

58:04

a 50% hit rate. Although, I think

58:07

10-argues are a good judge of a

58:09

player

58:10

and his signings have been good.

58:12

So, I think United are moving in

58:15

the right direction

58:16

under Eric 10-arguing. It would be very,

58:18

very difficult to compete

58:20

with Manchester City in the way that

58:22

they're funded for anybody. But

58:24

I would expect and hope that Manchester United

58:26

continue to improve, get more

58:29

points this season, do OK

58:31

in the Champions League and

58:33

sort out that away form against

58:35

the top teams, which was shocking last

58:37

year, really bad. And I asked

58:39

players about it, I asked the manager about it and

58:43

they just said we need more consistency. But

58:46

the patterns of play during matches, the

58:48

evidence I saw of the players settling in together,

58:51

going on nights out together, taking the

58:53

kit man for a night out in San Diego,

58:55

I like that sort of stuff. So,

58:58

I've been on these pre-seasons. I

59:00

remember 2018 when Jose

59:02

Mourinho was doing his

59:05

very best to piss off every Manchester

59:07

United fan.

59:08

And they've been really bad and you go into the season

59:10

thinking, this is not going to be good. But

59:13

I'm pretty optimistic.

59:16

The kit man will have added us kits to deal

59:18

with for a further 10 years and a massive £900

59:21

million partnership. I think it's the biggest kit

59:23

dealing Premier League history that was confirmed this week. Although

59:27

it might bypass United fans based on

59:29

the transfer, the more juicy transfer

59:31

and use, it's a pretty huge deal for United.

59:34

Yeah, the numbers are big. I got an inkling that that

59:36

was going to happen. The bottom line is

59:38

the kits sell well.

59:40

They continue to sell really well.

59:43

I remember in the 90s when a new

59:45

kit came out every two years, I'd have the

59:47

main British media outlets ringing

59:49

me saying,

59:50

this is disgraceful, you must be absolutely

59:52

outraged about this. And it was

59:54

prime time news every two years.

59:57

Now, there's kits every year.

1:00:00

Every three kits per year. And

1:00:02

I said, then no one's forcing anyone

1:00:05

to buy them. My mates at the match, I don't think any

1:00:07

of them have bought a kit for years. But

1:00:09

they're really popular, especially with younger fans.

1:00:12

And it is a big source of income

1:00:14

for Manchester United. And I like

1:00:17

Adidas being with Manchester United. I like

1:00:19

the retro stuff that they've done. I like the kits in the

1:00:21

1980s. But that

1:00:23

is guaranteed income for a long time.

1:00:26

And that will help. Is that a bad thing? Does

1:00:28

that mean that the Glazers are going to go, actually,

1:00:31

we're sat on a complete goldmine here. We're going

1:00:33

to stay, not heard anything about the sales

1:00:36

process. That is the

1:00:38

cloud that he's hanging over Manchester United at the moment.

1:00:41

Fans

1:00:41

want clarity. People at the club want clarity.

1:00:43

They want assurances. None have been forthcoming

1:00:46

whatsoever. So that would be the main negative

1:00:48

for Manchester United, the ownership. But

1:00:51

if they can do deals like that with Adidas, then,

1:00:53

you

1:00:54

know, other clubs inflate their

1:00:56

commercial deals.

1:00:59

I think with Manchester United, it's a genuine one

1:01:01

based on huge demand. The team are

1:01:03

incredibly popular. In terms of the

1:01:06

style of play this season, the change

1:01:08

of goalkeeper is about as fundamental

1:01:10

a thing that you can do when

1:01:13

it comes to the

1:01:15

implication of

1:01:17

what you're trying to do and the communication, the philosophy

1:01:19

and all that kind of stuff. We can talk

1:01:21

about the berating of Harry Maguire in a

1:01:23

moment. But

1:01:24

what's what?

1:01:27

What do you think will happen when Onana

1:01:29

beds in and so we're two months in? What will

1:01:31

the difference in style of play be? Well,

1:01:34

Tenhogs said it's going to be pretty similar to last season,

1:01:37

but you're quite right. Anana

1:01:39

is a totally different goalkeeper. I was watching

1:01:41

him in training,

1:01:42

threading passes through defenders

1:01:45

with

1:01:46

usually pinpoint accuracy.

1:01:48

I'm being thrilled by that. And I spoke

1:01:50

to a lot of people about Onana, people

1:01:54

in Italy, people in Holland,

1:01:57

proper goalkeeping coaches. The

1:02:00

reports were very, very good. Clearly, Tenharg

1:02:02

likes him a lot,

1:02:04

but he takes major risks.

1:02:06

He would be in a similar style to Edison,

1:02:09

to Allyson, managers

1:02:12

at the very best clubs, one

1:02:14

goalkeepers to almost be an outfield player, like

1:02:17

Barsteady with Victor Valdez

1:02:19

a decade ago or even more. So

1:02:22

I think fans have welcomed Deonana

1:02:24

Sainim, but almost

1:02:27

everyone I speak to says there will be two errors.

1:02:29

There will be some errors. So I'd like to

1:02:31

see the reaction when that happens,

1:02:34

because again, fans have this idealized version

1:02:36

of, okay, Dehaea made six

1:02:39

mistakes last year, so we're not going to make six

1:02:41

this year, as well as everything's going to be perfect with

1:02:43

Anana,

1:02:44

but he berates

1:02:48

his players. He's very vocal. He's very

1:02:50

confident. He's not short of an opinion.

1:02:52

So you're getting some very strong characters

1:02:54

in the dressing room now in

1:02:56

a pretty good way, not energy

1:02:59

sappers. They were let go a year

1:03:01

ago.

1:03:02

People who I think are winners when

1:03:05

things are going well, you

1:03:07

have to ask them what they're going to be like when things are not

1:03:09

going so well, but Manchester United have been going well.

1:03:12

And

1:03:13

as I said, decent signings. I

1:03:15

like the idea of the goalkeeper. Bring

1:03:18

it on. Let's see what they're going to do. There

1:03:20

was an interesting moment from Anana in

1:03:22

the, I think it was the Dortmund friendly a few

1:03:24

days ago, Andy, where he berates

1:03:26

Harry Maguire for what he sees

1:03:28

as a bit of an error. And like,

1:03:31

of course, 20 million pound bid from West Ham rejected

1:03:34

for Harry Maguire. I don't know if they'll come back in. There's

1:03:36

rumors that Everett might be interested as well. Would

1:03:39

he be a United player in another

1:03:41

couple of months?

1:03:44

No, no. But what I do know is Harry Maguire

1:03:46

wants to stay at Manchester United. He

1:03:49

absolutely wants to stay at Manchester United

1:03:51

and he wants to fight for his place.

1:03:53

And Tenharg was quite conciliatory

1:03:55

about him. But then you see Scott Montgomery

1:03:58

chosen ahead of him as captain. in

1:04:01

Las Vegas for that game. It

1:04:04

was an awful goal to concede, but they all

1:04:06

were actually, including Dortmund's goals.

1:04:09

Bad, bad errors. Get them out of the way pre-season.

1:04:12

Giving the ball away. But

1:04:13

I've got no issue if the goalkeeper

1:04:16

wants to have a proper go

1:04:17

at his defenders. And

1:04:19

I'm sure when it's him and Los Andros Martinez going

1:04:21

at each other, then that's going to be equally entertaining

1:04:23

as well. With Harry, I think Harry's a good player.

1:04:26

He's

1:04:28

not the first choice central defender for Manchester

1:04:30

United.

1:04:31

Very interesting on Saturday night in Las Vegas

1:04:33

to bump into some Dallas United

1:04:35

fans who were paying homage

1:04:38

to Harry Maguire. They're like, we need

1:04:40

to say this to you. We absolutely love

1:04:42

Harry. Well, all of you as a collective,

1:04:44

absolutely.

1:04:46

Because he has had a stick. He's had a lot of stick. He's

1:04:49

had too much stick. And he's become

1:04:51

a scapegoat. Fans always need a scapegoat. And

1:04:53

it is absolutely Harry Maguire.

1:04:56

At times last year, it was

1:04:58

David De Gea, but

1:04:59

Harry Maguire is the one. But I don't

1:05:02

think he's said the wrong thing. I think he's been

1:05:04

very professional. I've spoke to him several times.

1:05:07

I think from a Maguire's perspective,

1:05:10

he'd be wondering why Manchester United not

1:05:12

come out and emphatically said he

1:05:14

is not for sale.

1:05:16

Well, that's because

1:05:17

you and I know that if a big offer

1:05:19

comes in, there will be pressure

1:05:22

to move Harry Maguire on. Yeah. West

1:05:24

Ham, flushed with all that money from Declan Rice,

1:05:26

have decided to spend

1:05:28

about 2% of it on new players. So

1:05:31

people know that West Ham have got money. I

1:05:34

think Harry Maguire would be a very good defender

1:05:36

for a very good Premier League

1:05:39

team. But you're not going to

1:05:41

be seeing Manchester City coming in for him like they

1:05:43

did a couple of years ago. He needs a

1:05:45

couple of good things to happen. He needs a runner match is

1:05:48

probably something bad

1:05:50

has got to happen for him to come good.

1:05:52

You know, an injury to a player.

1:05:54

And just to get out of this pit that he's been

1:05:56

in for a long time where

1:05:59

he's not going to be judged.

1:06:00

playing at home against Southampton

1:06:03

or Fulham. He needs a really good game against

1:06:05

Liverpool away and he's just not been getting that opportunity.

1:06:07

Andy, what's the shape of the team? Where's Mount

1:06:09

playing in respect of Casamiro?

1:06:13

Is Mount a like-for-like replacement for Ereton? How

1:06:15

do you expect the midfield stroke

1:06:17

forward to line up now that we have a number nine

1:06:20

as well?

1:06:22

TenHog wanted Mount because he's so versatile

1:06:26

but he also says his best role

1:06:28

is a central one

1:06:29

but he also says Jaden Sancho's best

1:06:32

role is a central one and the central

1:06:34

role is occupied by Bruno Fernandez

1:06:36

who is now the captain. You can't

1:06:38

have nine players in that one position just in

1:06:40

front of the midfield. I

1:06:42

think with Mount he's got more

1:06:44

legs than Ericsson. I think Ericsson tied

1:06:46

towards the end of last season in games

1:06:48

and in general. He had a good season Ericsson

1:06:51

but after his injury

1:06:52

it was notable.

1:06:53

Mount, someone

1:06:56

said to me they could see him playing deeper almost

1:06:58

giving legs

1:07:00

alongside Casamiro in place

1:07:02

of Fred who

1:07:03

is up for sale or Scott

1:07:05

Matomine who Manchester United would listen

1:07:07

to offers from. So anywhere

1:07:11

centrally Casamiro's

1:07:13

the man. He's a number one. Everything

1:07:16

else around him is subject to form

1:07:18

and I know that TenHog really

1:07:21

pushed for Mason Mount. He spoke

1:07:23

to him and said I want you to be a big part of

1:07:25

my team and he felt that Mason Mount

1:07:27

really wanted to join Manchester United so

1:07:30

TenHog is building his team. He's

1:07:32

getting pretty close to his team as well. I tried to push

1:07:34

him on how close is this team

1:07:37

to the one you want

1:07:38

but you get answers. He's quite diplomatic. You

1:07:40

get answers like

1:07:42

every football team is constantly evolving.

1:07:44

We're always looking to strengthen.

1:07:46

I know that Eric but you

1:07:49

know. You're saying that the great new

1:07:51

signings now. Yeah so I go into

1:07:53

your head you're at the gates of hell and

1:07:55

you have to win a match with this current squad

1:07:58

to stay alive. Who's your...

1:07:59

who's your team and it's Casamiro,

1:08:02

Mount,

1:08:04

the captain, as you said, they're

1:08:06

the trio there. It's

1:08:08

Rashford, Hoyland and Anthony.

1:08:13

Is that it? Good question. Sancho had

1:08:15

a pretty good preseason.

1:08:17

He had a seven, eight out of 10 preseason.

1:08:20

Anthony Martial,

1:08:22

who's very talented, but we'll probably

1:08:24

rule him out after six or seven minutes with another

1:08:26

injury.

1:08:27

Hoyland, still very young,

1:08:29

he's only 20. I'd expect him to

1:08:31

be,

1:08:33

he might come in and just explode

1:08:35

and be fantastic, but it's a big ask

1:08:37

for someone so young. Tenharg raves

1:08:40

about him.

1:08:41

He really does and you'll see some quotes

1:08:44

when he actually signs, saying why he

1:08:46

thinks that he's a good player.

1:08:48

Anthony, I think needs a good second

1:08:51

season, cost a lot of money last year, probably

1:08:53

the most disappointing of Tenharg signings.

1:08:56

Cuts inside, very skillful, works

1:08:59

well defensively as well,

1:09:01

but cannot shoot on goal. You

1:09:04

need to get them, watching

1:09:07

him on some of the pre-seasons,

1:09:09

it's just shooting

1:09:11

really has got to improve. So

1:09:14

it's all, these places are all up to be won

1:09:17

and Tenharg, as we've seen many times, will

1:09:19

make the difficult decisions. So

1:09:22

putting the gun to my head, first game of the

1:09:24

season, Mount Casimero,

1:09:26

Fernandez, Hoyland,

1:09:29

Rashford,

1:09:31

Sancho, Strow-Cansonny. One

1:09:34

man who may be on the bench a little bit this season, potentially

1:09:37

feature as well, Andy is Johnny

1:09:39

Evans. I mean, eight years after leaving

1:09:42

the club, obviously came through the academy at Old Trafford,

1:09:44

all of a sudden, hops in for a few games

1:09:47

in preseason, clearly impresses Eric Tenhagen,

1:09:49

appears to be on the verge of a one-year contract.

1:09:53

Top lad Johnny. I put a false rumor out last

1:09:55

week that he was signing an eight-year contract and

1:09:57

he got wind of it. I bet he took

1:09:59

it in the right place.

1:09:59

right in the right spirit. I

1:10:02

really like him as a person. I don't think he should have

1:10:04

ever been sold in 2015.

1:10:07

Vanhal did his best to offload as many

1:10:09

talented players who'd come through the club

1:10:11

and replace them with inferior players.

1:10:16

So it makes sense for me. Johnny

1:10:19

Evans is not going to be the first choice center half,

1:10:22

but he

1:10:25

can be absolutely competent in matches

1:10:27

and maybe move into a role,

1:10:30

coaching him and guiding

1:10:32

the younger players as well.

1:10:34

Because United have lost. David De Heer

1:10:36

had been there for 12 years. If Scott McTominay

1:10:39

moves on, you can't

1:10:41

lose all the players who know

1:10:44

what Manchester United is supposed to be about. So

1:10:46

Johnny's made a good impression. I

1:10:48

wasn't thinking that after 28 minutes in San

1:10:50

Diego, if I'm honest, against Reksom, when the whole

1:10:53

team were having a stinker and being out muscle and

1:10:55

we're really struggling to deal with Reksom set

1:10:57

pieces. But I'm

1:11:00

pleased. Johnny's not going to be so expensive and

1:11:03

he's really highly regarded and

1:11:06

I'm not expecting him to get the winner at Liverpool away,

1:11:10

but you never know. Exactly. Hollywood's, you

1:11:12

know, the other elephant in

1:11:14

the room Manchester United at the moment is the ongoing

1:11:16

situation around Mason Greenwood. What

1:11:19

do you think will happen here?

1:11:23

I think something will happen soon. I'd

1:11:25

be prepared for something to happen soon.

1:11:28

If you would have asked me two months ago, I would

1:11:31

have probably said moving

1:11:33

him away, putting him out

1:11:35

on loan because he does have a contract. So you've got

1:11:37

to look at it from that perspective. My understanding

1:11:40

is

1:11:41

that people on the football side are more

1:11:43

amenable to him coming back. There's

1:11:46

been some concerns within

1:11:50

the club. So

1:11:52

you're not getting a unified opinion

1:11:55

of what should happen. And it's the same among

1:11:57

fans as well. You're getting fans saying

1:12:00

It will be disgraceful

1:12:02

if he ever comes back. We heard the tape, et cetera,

1:12:05

and others saying, well, actually, he's not been found guilty of

1:12:07

anything.

1:12:08

So it's a very contentious issue. I

1:12:11

would be leaning more towards Manchester

1:12:15

United somehow entertaining them and

1:12:17

bringing them back. I don't have any hard evidence

1:12:19

of that, but I think it

1:12:21

is moving towards that. There was a

1:12:23

story which was front page news on Saturday

1:12:25

saying Adidas had no issue

1:12:27

with this and Adidas are obviously clearly a

1:12:29

big sponsor,

1:12:31

but Adidas denied that. But

1:12:34

I think it is moving in that direction.

1:12:37

Yeah, because the longer it goes on, the more

1:12:39

likely that is to happen because if they were going to move on, they would

1:12:41

have moved him by now. Yeah, yeah,

1:12:44

yeah. So how do I feel about

1:12:46

that?

1:12:47

Totally conflicted.

1:12:49

He's

1:12:51

a top, top footballer, but I heard that tape

1:12:54

as well. So

1:12:56

it's a difficult one. But a

1:12:58

decision does need to be made. Eric

1:13:00

Tenharg has given his view. He answered

1:13:02

questions on it in New York. And then when

1:13:04

we asked him again about it at the weekend, he said, look, I've

1:13:07

said all I want to say here. So I think

1:13:10

when an announcement is made, there will be some turbulence

1:13:12

and that will be the main story for a day

1:13:14

or two in the Manchester United soap opera.

1:13:17

Yeah, I think it's difficult to unhear the

1:13:19

tape, really, like as

1:13:21

a fan of football.

1:13:23

I understand

1:13:25

that people say, oh,

1:13:27

should he be punished for something? And

1:13:30

it's like, well, he hasn't got to jail.

1:13:32

So he's free to live his life. It's just that maybe

1:13:35

Manchester United fans don't really

1:13:37

want to be associated with that. Then I overheard a

1:13:39

conversation at the supermarket the other day, two Man United fans

1:13:42

going, ah, sure, look, you know?

1:13:44

And I was like, yeah, OK. Football

1:13:47

fans are football fans of all clubs. This

1:13:49

is not specific in any way to Manchester United.

1:13:52

Every other club in the Premier League has had issues. But

1:13:56

there does seem to be a tolerance for.

1:13:58

violence

1:14:00

in sport and I

1:14:02

mean it's just not a good look. No it's

1:14:05

not and it's historical as well.

1:14:08

If you're going to judge some of Manchester

1:14:10

United's greatest ever players there's

1:14:12

major question marks over

1:14:14

what they were like as people off

1:14:16

the field and as you say it's not just Manchester United

1:14:19

it's all football clubs and fans

1:14:22

change the tune or they let the ability

1:14:24

of the individual blur

1:14:27

their opinion of it but

1:14:29

yeah we all are at a time and I'm a father of

1:14:31

two daughters I was horrified when I heard

1:14:33

that tape. Then again what

1:14:36

do you do with the individual? Does

1:14:39

he come into society be it

1:14:41

a tax paying successful citizen or

1:14:44

does he get ostracized which in his mind he's

1:14:46

not been charged of anything it's very very

1:14:48

complicated

1:14:50

and I think there needs to be he needs

1:14:52

to be resolved

1:14:53

sooner rather

1:14:56

than later. I've noticed as well a

1:14:59

sort of soft focus

1:15:01

on him he's become a father with

1:15:04

his partner but

1:15:07

yeah I don't know what

1:15:09

the decision is going to be. All right Andy

1:15:12

football's back great to have you back with us thanks a million.

1:15:15

Thank you. Everybody always gets offended

1:15:17

when I say football's back because obviously the league of Ireland they go anywhere I'm

1:15:19

a deliberate league. I

1:15:22

know what I'm doing it was a joke of course yeah

1:15:24

the Premier League is back the um what

1:15:27

what's it called these days is on on Sunday it's

1:15:30

Arsenal versus Manchester City. Community Shield yes. Nobody

1:15:32

cares about it but then all of a sudden something happens they

1:15:34

don't know they do care about it that was the first time this

1:15:36

season we understood blah blah blah

1:15:39

so beware. It's a trophy isn't it's a

1:15:41

trophy it's not it's not the shield. 847.

1:15:46

Karl and Malani good morning to you. Good morning

1:15:49

lads how's it going? How are you? Who's the football of the year? Oh

1:15:52

good question uh David Clifford

1:15:55

I think David Clifford but he got smoked

1:15:57

in the All-Ireland Final did you not you didn't get the

1:16:00

I think David Clifford is the best footballer

1:16:02

in the country and He

1:16:04

is the best football in the country. That's and he has been the

1:16:06

best footballer of the year of the of

1:16:08

the championship year. I

1:16:11

Think there's an argument for Clarkson. There

1:16:13

is the argument of Clarkson definitely And

1:16:16

I'm not sure if Dublin win the all Ireland without clocks to Clarkson's

1:16:18

already won it Does that mean that he can't do it again? Clifford's

1:16:20

already won it, hasn't he?

1:16:22

He was football of the year last year But

1:16:25

I think it's a it's a player's vote isn't it? Yeah

1:16:27

So I would I would say that Clifford

1:16:30

is quite popular amongst all the players as well that might

1:16:32

sway in in his favor and Ironically,

1:16:35

I think the smoked thing is gonna have a negative

1:16:37

impact on the candidacy of the Dublin footballers

1:16:40

like and

1:16:42

It's not necessarily It doesn't always follow that

1:16:44

you have to have won the all Ireland to win football of the year

1:16:46

like to Lee Keegan Andy more and or

1:16:48

two of the more recent. Yeah fair point Bernad broken.

1:16:51

I haven't done it So only two people

1:16:53

have won it twice. Can you name them? Well,

1:16:55

Jack O'Shea did it two years in a row? I'm so from 95 on

1:16:57

I'm say Sorry

1:17:03

when Wikipedia starts

1:17:06

Which no, no Good

1:17:08

to never wanted to only two players have won it twice only

1:17:10

two players won it twice since 95 according to Wikipedia

1:17:15

Fenton correct 2020 and 2018

1:17:19

That's different one or twice. No the others are made

1:17:22

player Trevor Giles Trevor Giles

1:17:24

in 96 99. Right? There you go I'm

1:17:27

surprised like maybe there is something in that like

1:17:29

do people own do they only give it out once like

1:17:31

Cluckston wins it in 2019 only McCaffrey 2015

1:17:34

only it became a player's votes in

1:17:36

the middle of that. Yeah

1:17:38

like I Think the all-star

1:17:40

committee used to pick it. All right. Okay. Yeah,

1:17:43

and Journalist of a

1:17:45

say no, they don't the old-star team

1:17:47

don't they fight. I think they met also do the shortlist.

1:17:50

Yeah. Okay. Yeah

1:17:52

And it's only some journalists. It's a privileged

1:17:54

few have

1:17:55

you ever had the privilege? I have not Ted McIntyre was

1:17:57

a L-star selector for a while

1:18:00

pressure.

1:18:01

Pressure even telling people that you're doing it.

1:18:04

I don't know. The football

1:18:06

of the year is David Clifford. He should win it

1:18:08

two years in a row. That's a fact.

1:18:11

He might not have won the All Ireland. Is he definitely the

1:18:13

football of the year? Like definitely definitely

1:18:15

definitely. I don't think. No, no, sorry. It's not your question.

1:18:18

I'd be leaning if there if it is Dublin player, I am leaning

1:18:20

towards Stephen clockston to be fair McCarthy

1:18:23

was immense and and what he's done is has been incredible.

1:18:25

But Fenton was pretty good. Yeah, you

1:18:28

can you can't say that a bad semifinal. And

1:18:31

so but like I would say up to that point within

1:18:33

the standard Dublin player of the season. Yeah, had a

1:18:35

reasonably good second half in the final.

1:18:37

In the excellent second half like a game changing second

1:18:39

half really from the dose perspective

1:18:42

catches breaks makes the turnover put pressure on

1:18:45

for the goal and kicks

1:18:47

a really important point at a crucial

1:18:49

moment. Did something else as well. Yeah,

1:18:52

I feel I feel like Paul Flynn ruined his own argument in

1:18:54

his tweet because he was saying the fact that you know,

1:18:56

look, McCarthy didn't have his best game

1:18:59

in the final but still but like,

1:19:01

yes, Clifford and McCarthy both didn't have a great

1:19:03

game in the final like they're to their bet to their massively

1:19:05

high standards

1:19:06

is what I mean. So that that

1:19:08

that

1:19:09

doesn't point towards McCarthy is the football of

1:19:11

the year either. Neither of them are

1:19:13

a good game in the final. So he judged it on the he

1:19:16

judged it on the season.

1:19:17

And Clifford was immense day after like

1:19:20

it was day after his mother dies. He, you

1:19:22

know, has an unbelievable game in the monster final, like

1:19:25

other games as well, where he just shoots the lights out the

1:19:28

final itself. He partly plays

1:19:30

terribly and still scores. I think the dairy

1:19:32

performance was just incredible. Both

1:19:35

at both ends of the field. If you look back at the five or six

1:19:37

minutes at the end, he's done the other end of the field

1:19:39

when it turnovers and cleaning up loose ball.

1:19:41

Yeah. And a couple moments against her own

1:19:43

that come back into it. I'm coming back into it. But I do

1:19:45

think the clubs and cases like in

1:19:48

the greatest moment of the greatest pressure when

1:19:51

like everything is riding on us.

1:19:53

You're like ping ping ping ping ping ping

1:19:55

ping ping. And then the two the two scores

1:19:58

that he got in the first half as well. Incredible.

1:20:00

James Ricciardi's never won it, so they're probably gonna

1:20:03

give it to him for that reason. And

1:20:05

I still make the case, I love Andy Moore and I

1:20:07

love him as a man, as a pundit, as a manager, but

1:20:10

James Ricciardi was a footballer of the year that year. Yeah, 2017.

1:20:14

Anyway, let's move on. What's

1:20:17

going on, Kyle? The Women's World Cup action this

1:20:19

morning. Argentina and Sweden

1:20:21

just at half-time, it's goal list there. Sweden on course

1:20:24

to top Group G as things stand, and then South

1:20:26

Africa and Italy as a goal of peace. Approaching

1:20:28

half-time there, seven minutes have had a time plate. At

1:20:30

the end of the first half there, there was an absolute

1:20:33

howler of an own goal there from Italy

1:20:35

to bring South Africa back on level terms.

1:20:38

The other matches later today come in Group F. France

1:20:40

lead the standings there ahead of their meeting with Panama.

1:20:43

Panama already out of the tournament. Jamaica take

1:20:45

on Brazil. That's going to be a big one in

1:20:47

terms of the qualification picture there. Both

1:20:49

of those games kick off at 11 o'clock this morning.

1:20:51

Big news in the League of Ireland last night because

1:20:53

Darryl Horgon is back at Dundalki,

1:20:56

rejoins the club having left in 2016

1:20:58

to join Preston North End. He spent some time on loan

1:21:00

at Stevenage last season. His contract with the

1:21:02

Wickham Wanderers expired earlier this year. It's

1:21:05

expected he'll be available for Dundalk's meeting with Shelburne

1:21:07

in the League on Sunday afternoon. Rocha

1:21:10

Nireen was just over half a second off securing her

1:21:12

second medal at the Paris Swimming Championships in

1:21:15

Manchester last night. She finished fourth in

1:21:17

the 100-metre breaststroke final. Two more swimmers

1:21:19

in action today. Nicole Turner in the final

1:21:22

of the Women's 200-metre individual medley. And

1:21:24

Barry McLemons is in the heats for the men's 100-metre

1:21:26

butterfly S8 later this morning. Tony

1:21:28

MacIntee has been handed another year in charge of the Sligo

1:21:31

Senior Footballers. He's going to go into a fourth

1:21:33

season in charge. Carlo have confirmed

1:21:35

the reappointment of Niall Crewe as their manager for next

1:21:37

season. And the Galway Play is the feature on

1:21:39

day three of the Galway

1:21:40

Festival action at Ballybird underway again today from 10

1:21:43

past 5. My brother has spoken in the YouTube comments.

1:21:45

Himself and his housemate Jamie just moved into their new apartment

1:21:48

in South Coogee in Australia. He

1:21:50

says, Tuning in from Sydney, Cluckston for me.

1:21:53

Someone has replied, Chris McCann, Cluckston my hole.

1:21:57

That is the YouTube comments. Thumbed

1:22:00

up, I think, every single morning. There you go.

1:22:02

Thanks for the comments. Are you hoping to get the

1:22:04

call from young Mac and T? You're

1:22:07

the second person to ask me that. Shane Coleman said it on News 12

1:22:09

Breakfast as well. Oh, right. No.

1:22:12

Full stop, no. Glad he's very appointed,

1:22:14

though. Is he playing panel or is he an admin?

1:22:17

Kyle, of course, here, chairman of the Enscron G8 Club.

1:22:21

You must be one of the youngest club chairman in the country.

1:22:24

No, no, no, definitely not. Yeah,

1:22:26

definitely, definitely, definitely, yes. Definitely probably

1:22:28

are. That's factually correct. Whatever about money

1:22:30

will you play for Sligo? Yeah, but I think

1:22:32

it's good news that Tony MacKendee's been appointed. He's done

1:22:35

a really good job.

1:22:36

So, GAA president

1:22:38

must be on your radar now if you've ascended to the throne

1:22:40

room. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Charlotte Burns and

1:22:42

then me. I mean, you know. But

1:22:46

you made a good point the other day, I was chatting to you in the office about

1:22:48

this. You see a lot of chairman

1:22:51

going into the job in their 50s, 60s.

1:22:53

You want to give back to your club, get

1:22:55

it done when you're young and you've no... And

1:22:57

then you can relax? Well, you've

1:22:59

done it then, do you know? Yeah, I don't know. It's

1:23:02

a good idea. Fair play. Thanks. Is

1:23:05

it enjoyable?

1:23:07

It is when

1:23:09

you're winning, yeah. Yeah, it's not very good when teams

1:23:11

are not doing very well. It's not

1:23:13

a... it's a team effort more than anything. I

1:23:15

live in Dublin, obviously, so I'm up and down the road a lot. But

1:23:18

there's a lot of people at home doing a lot of work

1:23:20

that I probably should be doing. So

1:23:22

they're carrying the can a little bit. We started in Gweltark

1:23:25

last week and Darragh Keneage is the chairman down there. And selector

1:23:27

on the senior team as well. Like,

1:23:30

he's just always about the pitch. But

1:23:33

you probably have to be dealing with people and liaising

1:23:35

and doing so many things that you probably didn't even realise. Yeah.

1:23:38

There's a lot... like the admin stuff I wouldn't enjoy. But

1:23:41

I enjoy the football side of things, honestly. But not the admin

1:23:43

stuff.

1:23:44

Definitely not. And I think like

1:23:46

volunteers in the J full stop, like, you

1:23:48

know, you talk about people involved

1:23:50

at county board level and stuff. Like, it's gone to the stage

1:23:53

for those people. That's probably a job, essentially. Particularly

1:23:56

for county board chair persons who have to keep an

1:23:58

eye on everything.

1:23:59

And we just spoke there about appointing inter-county

1:24:02

managers and stuff like it's such a huge decision because

1:24:05

There's so many resources being pumped in and fundraisers

1:24:07

and stuff necessary to finance county teams

1:24:09

now that it you know It requires a lot of work

1:24:12

for county board chairpersons and people involved a county

1:24:14

board level German and clubs have to sack

1:24:16

and hire managers, don't they? That's

1:24:19

a Yeah, yeah, the power

1:24:22

Honestly, I would like it is an amazing thing to be

1:24:24

like doing at this stage of your career

1:24:26

while you're still playing It doesn't happen that much. It does

1:24:28

happen a bit around the country Except 2000 clubs

1:24:31

course. It's bound to happen. But um

1:24:35

Will you come back and talk to us sometime about what it actually is

1:24:37

like because I think a lot of people are Keen

1:24:40

to help out but slightly somewhat

1:24:43

overawed by the prospect.

1:24:44

Yeah, and Yeah,

1:24:46

like I would say that

1:24:49

Probably like loyalty is a big thing when it comes to

1:24:51

club football and club hurling that you kind of have a sense

1:24:53

of loyalty To your club that if an opportunity

1:24:56

arises to help out you try and do it whatever

1:24:58

that might be and whatever

1:25:00

stage you're at and I suppose that's the case

1:25:03

for a lot of people and But yeah,

1:25:06

like it's as I say, it's very much a team effort. It's not

1:25:08

a it's their training on show

1:25:10

I think there are yeah Crow Park will do stuff They

1:25:12

will do stuff and I think there are guides and stuff In

1:25:15

fact for other offices as well as far as I'm aware like

1:25:17

for example the PR obviously you guys

1:25:19

would deal with PR people a lot there are a lot

1:25:22

of

1:25:22

things to do with PR and now in terms of How

1:25:25

to promote your club properly on social media and guidelines

1:25:28

around that which is very helpful That

1:25:30

I would have gone through before so I think

1:25:32

Crow Park are doing a lot of good work there to train up Officers

1:25:35

at club level and County level to be fair.

1:25:37

All right, good stuff. Thanks. Thanks. I mean Right,

1:25:40

if you want to get touch 0879 180 180 is

1:25:43

the whatsapp number or you can always leave a comment

1:25:46

on YouTube now We're talking

1:25:48

to Julian Russell about the stellar career of her

1:25:50

former go away teammate Nia Fahi There's

1:25:52

a little bit of buzz that maybe Nia's international

1:25:54

career might be over but it might not be So

1:25:57

first here's our own Kathy McNamee speaking to the Liverpool

1:25:59

and Republic of Ireland

1:25:59

to start immediately after their final World Cup

1:26:02

game

1:26:02

against Nigeria on Monday. Just

1:26:30

for you personally, after tournament there's going to

1:26:32

be questions about the senior players.

1:26:34

Do

1:26:43

you want to carry on? What do you

1:26:45

think of that person? Is it too soon to really think

1:26:47

about that?

1:26:47

Do

1:27:00

you think it's time to do that? I'm just really

1:27:02

proud at the minute to have played in a World Cup and

1:27:04

to battle with these girls. It's

1:27:06

been brilliant.

1:27:08

That was Nia Fay

1:27:11

speaking with Kathleen in the immediate aftermath

1:27:13

of the game. There are some comments in

1:27:15

the longer

1:27:16

bits in the paper where it doesn't seem like

1:27:18

she has made her mind up yet. But also we

1:27:20

could probably do with her for the next

1:27:22

campaign.

1:27:25

Julianne Russell is with us now to talk to us a

1:27:27

little bit about the career that Nia Fay has put down. This

1:27:30

is one of the all-time Irish great sports careers

1:27:32

and its longevity is something to

1:27:34

be remarked on. But before we retire

1:27:37

her, she's got plenty left to give, right?

1:27:40

Yeah, I think so. Nia's

1:27:42

a phenomenal athlete. She looks after herself

1:27:44

so well. She's signed

1:27:46

another one-year extension onto her

1:27:49

contract with Liverpool. So the fact

1:27:51

that that's happened, I think that she will be, I

1:27:54

don't think she will retire from international football

1:27:56

just quite yet. I think she still has more

1:27:58

to give.

1:27:59

you see in the men's game, you see Ronaldo,

1:28:02

all these players playing way into their late

1:28:05

30s, so I think it's just the same

1:28:07

in the women's game. I think needs a bit more

1:28:09

to give.

1:28:09

The fact that she's still playing really well

1:28:11

at club level is the thing that must give her confidence

1:28:14

because certainly at international level sometimes

1:28:16

a country can be reliant on players because

1:28:18

of their experience and it doesn't always

1:28:22

tally with the club form, but her club form seems to be

1:28:24

excellent still.

1:28:26

Yeah, like she's week in week out, she's

1:28:28

starting. Obviously the last couple of months she

1:28:30

was injured, so obviously

1:28:33

she wasn't playing much football, but like she's the captain

1:28:35

of Liverpool, like what an honour and

1:28:37

yeah she's just solid every game.

1:28:40

Like it's rare that you see her having a poor game

1:28:42

to be honest. Christine

1:28:43

Sinclair is a perfect example as well, Julianne,

1:28:45

is just someone who you know at the age of 40 can

1:28:48

go on and need to be 40 when the next World

1:28:50

Cup comes around. I'm not saying she's still going to be around at that

1:28:53

point, but I mean who knows?

1:28:55

Yeah, no, absolutely. Like prime example

1:28:57

and you saw the impact that Christine Sinclair

1:29:00

had when she came on at half-time versus Ireland.

1:29:02

Like it's still in them and

1:29:05

yeah and confidently can still contribute

1:29:07

to Ireland in the future.

1:29:08

One of the things that really is important

1:29:11

for this group is that they keep the experience

1:29:13

of

1:29:14

the World Cup for good and bad, but actually

1:29:16

like what it's like to be in a tournament, the pressures that

1:29:18

brings and carry as much of that through as

1:29:20

possible. Well, at the same time, we accept that we need

1:29:23

to freshen up the team and get some

1:29:25

use, get some pace into the side as well. So

1:29:27

it's a really tricky balancing act for whoever the manager

1:29:29

is next.

1:29:31

It is and I think like you

1:29:33

said, I think it's vital that you do keep that experience

1:29:35

and not even just that like

1:29:38

you need good characters in the dressing room and

1:29:40

like Niamh is an amazing footballer,

1:29:43

but she's actually like a really good human

1:29:45

and like she's great crack like and

1:29:47

I really think you need that in a team. So

1:29:50

like whoever the manager

1:29:53

is, if it is going to continue to be

1:29:55

Vera or if it's going to be someone else, I do

1:29:57

think it will be a really tough decision to

1:29:59

kind of

1:29:59

to put that blend of the experience

1:30:02

and the kind of fresh new young

1:30:04

people coming into the squad as well.

1:30:07

She's just one of these players that over the

1:30:09

years, Juliana has just gone from strength to strength. Like

1:30:11

I'm sure the experience in that dressing room is

1:30:14

one thing, but like the

1:30:15

fact that the GA background she has as well

1:30:18

and she's clearly just a talented sports woman generally

1:30:20

speaking so role model I'd imagine

1:30:22

in that dressing room?

1:30:24

Oh yeah, absolutely. She

1:30:26

has that never doubt attitude, like

1:30:28

she'll never give up. It's kind

1:30:30

of just in bread in her and I suppose having

1:30:33

the versatility of the different

1:30:35

sports background. She

1:30:37

played gaily football and she played with the basketball

1:30:40

as well when she was younger. So she's just

1:30:42

that all around athlete and then the

1:30:44

experience of all what she's achieved

1:30:46

so far. She's achieved

1:30:49

so much in her club career with Arsenal

1:30:51

and then obviously she had the best into Chelsea and

1:30:54

she just won the championship with Liverpool. So she has

1:30:56

so much experience and then she

1:30:58

even has that all Ireland with Galway as well. So

1:31:01

it's incredible.

1:31:02

And do you expect her to continue?

1:31:07

With the Ireland team? Yeah.

1:31:09

I do. Yeah, I think so. I

1:31:12

think after she got that taste of the World

1:31:14

Cup, like

1:31:18

I feel like some people like you'd leave on

1:31:20

a high, but then I think she has that taste

1:31:22

and I still think she has a dinner and

1:31:24

she probably believes that herself. No, I could be totally

1:31:27

wrong, but I think that she could give

1:31:29

another year or two for sure.

1:31:31

Incredibly well travelled, played in France, played

1:31:33

for all the big clubs in England, obviously

1:31:36

knows the Irish scene really well. Is this somebody

1:31:38

who the FAI should be trying to encourage to

1:31:40

get involved in coaching? I

1:31:43

know she's got a career as a scientist as well.

1:31:45

Obviously very, very talented and

1:31:48

may not be interested in being full time in football

1:31:50

when she retires. May have felt like that's me

1:31:52

done, but is there a coaching

1:31:55

slash

1:31:55

managerial gene there? Like

1:31:59

me, it's super.

1:31:59

intelligent and obviously she's an amazing

1:32:02

education as well. And like she's

1:32:04

constantly doing

1:32:06

like further in her career

1:32:09

on the non-fop on site.

1:32:11

Even if it's not managerial, I think

1:32:13

she'd be in maybe like the sports science

1:32:16

side of a team or something like that. And I

1:32:18

feel like you can give so much in the back

1:32:20

room staff. It's all those people who give

1:32:23

so much to the team that the public don't see.

1:32:25

So if it isn't a

1:32:27

coach and managerial aspect, I

1:32:30

feel like she'll still stay in the kind of sports

1:32:32

arena, particularly in the science

1:32:34

side. But you never know. I

1:32:36

think she'd be an amazing manager as well. Like

1:32:38

she knows the game inside out and

1:32:41

yeah, she's just so well educated.

1:32:43

She's also like mentally strong

1:32:45

as well because you look at the, I think she

1:32:48

was injury free for maybe a decade. And then

1:32:50

early this year, she gets the injury

1:32:53

in February, a

1:32:54

calf injury, like

1:32:56

it was misdiagnosed as well, I think. So

1:32:58

she expected to be much shorter than she ultimately

1:33:00

was. So even being able to bounce

1:33:02

back from that so close to World Cup shows some

1:33:05

serious metal strength.

1:33:07

Yeah, absolutely. Like

1:33:09

she's so resilient. I know if that was me, I'd be

1:33:11

freaking a couple of months out from the World Cup.

1:33:14

But yeah, like she just held

1:33:17

strong,

1:33:18

so good at doing her rehab, just

1:33:21

looking after herself. And I'm just so happy

1:33:23

that she got back in time for the World Cup.

1:33:25

And that's a credit to her and

1:33:28

her support system around her. And just such

1:33:31

a good role model, as you said, to other people

1:33:33

who are in that position who get

1:33:35

these kind of injuries before big

1:33:37

tournaments or kind of big games

1:33:40

coming up. So yeah, credit to her.

1:33:41

Julian, we have to ask you about

1:33:43

the main story over the last 24 hours.

1:33:46

It's the non substitution, asked

1:33:48

for substitution, the naming of the person

1:33:51

who either was asked or wasn't asked. This

1:33:55

is about as melodramatic a sports story

1:33:57

that we've had in Irish sport since Johnny Sexton

1:33:59

looked up.

1:33:59

at the big screen and was like,

1:34:02

you know, I mean, and that turned

1:34:04

out to be a hill of beans. Is this something or

1:34:06

is this nothing?

1:34:08

I think it was blown up abortion, to

1:34:10

be totally honest.

1:34:13

Like, as the public are seeing

1:34:15

with Vera, she's blunt, she's direct,

1:34:18

she doesn't hold back. I

1:34:20

think she shouldn't have just named any

1:34:22

names or she just should have kept it

1:34:25

private and probably not answered the question directly

1:34:27

to the media. Like, for her to come

1:34:29

out and do that, I'd say the journalists, the media

1:34:32

in that room, like, their eyes were lighting up.

1:34:35

But yeah, I don't think it's anything, to be honest.

1:34:38

I think it's blown out of abortion.

1:34:40

Is it right that a player vocally,

1:34:43

I guess, asks for

1:34:45

a substitution during the game? I guess a captain

1:34:48

is different, isn't it?

1:34:50

I think a captain is different. Like,

1:34:53

they'll be talking the whole time

1:34:56

within a game and like outside

1:34:58

a game. Managers will always

1:35:00

kind of be speaking to their captain advice,

1:35:03

what do they think and kind

1:35:05

of getting the general vibe from the group of girls.

1:35:07

So that's normal that they

1:35:10

will get and ask opinions.

1:35:13

I think fresh legs were needed. I

1:35:16

just think it shouldn't have been kind of vocalised

1:35:19

afterwards and specific players pointed

1:35:22

out and then that it was even kind

1:35:24

of just the way

1:35:26

she spoke about it saying, like, Katie McCabe

1:35:29

is not the coach. But like,

1:35:32

as I mentioned, she's directing,

1:35:34

that's her style. But overall, in

1:35:36

the grand scheme of things, I don't think

1:35:39

it's just been blown

1:35:40

out of abortion. The

1:35:42

mood music is all that the FBI were

1:35:45

waiting to see exactly what was going on. I presume they're reading

1:35:47

everything in all the papers and seeing what

1:35:50

the general consensus is about

1:35:52

what should happen with Vera. It's hard

1:35:54

to make a footballing case that Vera

1:35:57

shouldn't be allowed to continue or given another

1:35:59

period.

1:35:59

of time. But the relationship thing is

1:36:02

really important with your players. We know from Irish

1:36:04

football history that if there's a divide between

1:36:06

the

1:36:07

best players and the management team, it only

1:36:09

goes one way and that's disaster. So what's

1:36:12

your instinct about what's going to happen next?

1:36:15

My gut instinct is that you will stay on.

1:36:18

I agree from a footballing

1:36:20

aspect, it is difficult to see

1:36:23

why she wouldn't because she brought the team

1:36:25

to the first major

1:36:27

tournament. I

1:36:29

do think from a footballing perspective,

1:36:32

though, things need to evolve.

1:36:36

Very, very defensive the whole time.

1:36:39

And I think that needs to evolve and

1:36:41

we need to be more attack. And from

1:36:43

the three games we've seen that we

1:36:46

actually can compete with these top nations,

1:36:48

but we need to kind of drive it on more. I don't

1:36:51

know if she's the right person

1:36:53

from a footballing perspective to do that. And

1:36:56

then from a non-footballing perspective,

1:36:58

I think there's just been too much drama over

1:37:01

the last kind of year and then

1:37:03

specifically around the World Cup. And

1:37:05

as you mentioned,

1:37:06

there does look like there's been a massive

1:37:09

divide between her and the players. The fact

1:37:11

that the players haven't been

1:37:13

kind of standing off her in any of the media

1:37:17

engagements

1:37:17

kind of just says it all. Yeah, that

1:37:20

is the most damning of everything. Like with

1:37:22

regards to the drama, at an international level,

1:37:24

there's drama nonstop.

1:37:26

So whoever comes next will

1:37:29

have a tiny little honeymoon period.

1:37:31

And if results go well, great. But if they don't, then

1:37:34

it'd be like, oh, you're trying to change our playing

1:37:36

style before we're ready for it. So

1:37:39

I think the specific

1:37:41

handling of the athletic stuff ended up backfiring

1:37:44

from Vera's perspective. And that

1:37:46

seems to have been an issue. And it'll be interesting to hear what the players say

1:37:48

if she does step down. Just on the football side of things,

1:37:52

do we have the players to play a different

1:37:54

style of football? Because

1:37:56

either she gets credit for how we play in the World Cup, or she

1:37:59

doesn't. And then therefore, well, then she has to

1:38:01

go anyway because she's not responsible for

1:38:03

it. Or, or we have evolved

1:38:05

the style of play a

1:38:06

little bit. I

1:38:09

think we have evolved. If you said

1:38:11

it to me a couple of years ago, I'd put out, look, we don't

1:38:13

have the players or

1:38:16

like we're just not ready for it yet. But like

1:38:18

we're defensively solid. We've been working on

1:38:20

that for years and years. And

1:38:22

then we do have

1:38:25

a we don't have like loads

1:38:27

of players. They don't have the depth in the squads

1:38:30

to for that attacking side

1:38:32

of things. But we do have a couple of players

1:38:35

and we need to utilize them better. Like

1:38:38

I don't think Denise is open with you to what's

1:38:41

whatever in this world cup. And it's

1:38:43

really disappointed for her. Like she's a phenomenal

1:38:46

player and a phenomenal athlete. And

1:38:49

the fact that she was only given that license in the last

1:38:51

game, I think it's just shown that could

1:38:53

have been done in the first or second game as well. And

1:38:55

then obviously there's Katie.

1:38:58

That is a world class player. But

1:39:00

the reason other players that we've seen kind

1:39:02

of really show like Kira Caruso has

1:39:04

been like outstanding, I

1:39:07

think, in this world cup. Like she was

1:39:10

not even kind of a squat player,

1:39:12

then a bit of a bench player. And then

1:39:14

now now she's kind of starting and she's doing a great

1:39:16

job. And then lastly, I think Ruchia

1:39:18

Littlejohn, like she hasn't

1:39:21

really been getting the same kind

1:39:23

of credit that other place. I think she's at

1:39:25

a phenomenal tournament as well. So there

1:39:27

is the players there. I think it's just how you utilize

1:39:29

them.

1:39:29

And does Vera Parinoc get credit for Caruso

1:39:32

and Littlejohn? I suppose it

1:39:34

feels a little bit like Feliag

1:39:36

was making the point outside earlier that like she

1:39:39

is, she doesn't want to play defensive football.

1:39:41

She wants to play like brilliant

1:39:43

orange attacking football.

1:39:47

And so I don't know. I'm

1:39:49

wondering if we're throwing the baby out with the bathwater

1:39:51

a bit here.

1:39:52

Yeah. I

1:39:54

think she needs to believe more like and

1:39:58

even just try it if we get battered. three

1:40:00

nil, then

1:40:01

go back and start again and kind

1:40:04

of defensive side of things. But the girls, looking

1:40:07

at them, they play with a bit of fear and they

1:40:09

are kind of nearly afraid to make mistakes. That's

1:40:12

just personally what I think. I

1:40:14

feel like they just need to kind of

1:40:16

get the shackles off them and let them go.

1:40:19

Sorry, just on, if Virpav

1:40:21

is to leave Julianne, are

1:40:23

there any names you feel should or will

1:40:26

be included in the conversation to replace her? We were

1:40:28

discussing Tom Ellams yesterday, of course, League of Ireland background

1:40:30

and with the under 16 girls team as well.

1:40:33

I'm a bit of continuity, I guess, but would he

1:40:35

be in consideration or would anyone else come to your mind?

1:40:38

Yeah, I suppose Tom's been there

1:40:40

throughout the campaign. So he's experienced

1:40:43

the kind of balls of the

1:40:45

World Cup and he knows the

1:40:48

players really well. I think

1:40:51

the coach education system in Ireland

1:40:53

actually is really strong. So there

1:40:55

probably is a lot of coaches

1:40:57

out there that are both in the women's

1:41:00

game and in the men's game that would be able

1:41:02

to step up. None

1:41:04

really come to mind top ahead

1:41:08

for me. I

1:41:09

suppose Eileen Gleason could be up

1:41:11

there. She was the assistant manager to Vera

1:41:14

as well. She's coached at a

1:41:16

high level over in Glasgow. Now she's

1:41:18

within the FAI. But I think

1:41:20

whatever happens, the FAI

1:41:23

need to really sit down

1:41:25

and really

1:41:26

think about who would be a good candidate.

1:41:28

It can't be a fast decision because it's a massive

1:41:31

role and especially with the team right now. All

1:41:33

right, Julianne, good stuff. Thanks so many for joining us.

1:41:36

Cheers. Thanks so many. So

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1:41:40

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1:41:42

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1:41:44

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