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Very welcome along to Tuesday mornings

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O-T-B-A-M. The Sports Breakfast Show from

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Off The Ball. Myself and Colm Buhig

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live with you until 10 o'clock. Good morning Colm. Very

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deafened there. I turned you up too loud. I was so

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excited by you. What a shirt. It's

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not a bad shirt is it? You know. There's people

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who can't see it. There's a few football pitch

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type designs on this shirt. It's

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a Paul Galvin. We've got to thank Paul Galvin for

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dressing us for this show.

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Very kindly sent in the finest. He doesn't actually physically,

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so he provides the clothes but he doesn't actually put the clothes on

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us. We are not capable of dressing ourselves.

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Do you not get the texts from him every morning? Oh

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and he pops in to the Gaff? I think you should wear this today.

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On a Tuesday. Right, right, right. Not

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outing him or anything like that. Fair, fair. That's ok. He

1:15

does like to influence what we do and what we wear. That's a

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Paul Galvin

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shirt as well. It is yeah. And Tommy Rooney has this.

1:22

Tommy Rooney has it as well. I saw him wearing it on the holidays. I

1:24

don't know if this was his intention. There's definitely an

1:26

American football. Yeah, Johnny Ward

1:28

was in there last week and he said there's a New York Jets angle

1:30

off it. That's what struck me. I was

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fine with that. I have a New York Jets fridge magnet

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so might

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as well keep going with it you know. Keep the theme

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going. Yeah so fair play to Paul Galvin

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for dressing us. He clearly

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physically dresses Colm but just provides clothes for myself. Oh

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no it's just advice. Fashion advice. What to wear

1:46

and when to wear it. That's fine. That's fine. You're

1:48

also on a Wham! Buzz at the moment that we mentioned

1:50

at the start of yesterday's show but has continued

1:53

to the point where you're sending me Wham! songs

1:55

on

1:56

WhatsApp this morning. Your man had never heard of Club Tropicana.

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Sorry, well I believe well I had

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heard of the song, but it wasn't like producer

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Cameron is about six years your junior Bapping

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along to it outside being like what a tune it's a great tune But

2:10

the no reason that you shouldn't heard it, but I'm telling

2:13

you right the song now It's new to you,

2:15

so enjoy the chorus and the main part Yeah, but

2:17

the bass intro never really understood

2:19

the musicality of it that I saw this documentary Yeah,

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let alone a great songwriter and musician and

2:24

George Michael what a producer right right

2:26

right because you produced all this top tier The

2:29

drinks are free in club tropical apparently yeah,

2:31

and it was just the two boys's idea

2:33

of what club Tropicana would be like they wrote

2:35

in their living rooms in England

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So they never did spoil the spying on out lyrics for Curtis

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whisper in his teens like Some

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people are born with this wake me up before you go go. That's

2:45

famous by What

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was that movie? What's it in is this

2:49

Zoolander?

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I want to say Zoolander could be is I think that

2:53

reintroduce it to a whole new generation There's

2:56

me play there's literally Emma confirms I

2:58

look up here the answer so like

3:01

unbelievable really and then just like

3:03

the most selfless man in showbiz and Originally

3:05

off with you George enjoy it Curtis whisper

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was a single not on man It was a single

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written by

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and released by George Michael originally

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with a you do it Keep them on

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the pro seats one thing we didn't mention yesterday

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last Christmas the all-time classic which

3:20

you had heard of you of course

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Every penny of that went to charity jeez

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you'd be welling up watching this like he was a

3:26

he was a very generous man I remember even the time of his

3:28

death all the money a lot of the money going to yeah

3:30

He had causes and he did not want any credit

3:33

for in fact He insisted do not mention me and it

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was only after he passed that people said look

3:37

Gotta say it like this is what he did you're one of those people

3:40

who's like me who when you watch a documentary about

3:42

something You get obsessed like obsessed

3:44

for a very short period of time Yeah, then you move

3:46

on to the next thing, but like you will be obsessed

3:49

with George Like wham get over it like yes,

3:51

yeah, no, I'm mad into it,

3:53

but I yeah like I'd be like an IMDB boy

3:56

for a movie I just watched I get all

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the facts about it, but I

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said on yesterday morning's show and one

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of the guests today, I'm sure it will do the coming up But yeah,

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Jess Kelly is gonna be on the show and

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she watched the WAM documentary yesterday on the back

4:08

of us talking But yesterday morning Emma

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Carol is going to watch this. So my hope

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I promise to give it a watch to do Pw,

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do you see on the YouTube comments? Keep the YouTube comments

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coming in by the way between now and 10 o'clock Says the

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WAM movie is magic. If you enjoyed the Oasis

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movie supersonic then watch this one I

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have always what to say that I have seen it enjoyed

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to have you two percent. Yeah. Yeah I really like super sonic.

4:30

That's my favorite music. So maybe then

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yeah, that's it is for me And also the style

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of this

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it's a Steve O saying yesterday

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after Stephen Doyle who originally put me on to this and

4:39

Paul Martu fan of the show also said, you know watches

4:41

my documentary and It's

4:43

done in the style of a Zef Capadia.

4:46

You know, it's not yet. Yes, Anna and Amy Winehouse.

4:48

It's You can hear the voices

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of originally in George Mike, but I don't know when the charge Michael

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voice are recorded Actually, we don't you never see them.

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Yeah, so it's all just over footage and they

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do not hang about

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There's no slow intro. It's only

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an hour and a half and they get straight into it So like

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well worth your time because it flies by there is

5:05

another movie upcoming that

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there is a lot of secrecy and a veil

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of

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Quietness and clandestine activity around it's

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the f1 movie I don't know people might have seen this if you watched

5:15

the British Grand Prix at service done at the weekend just

5:17

gone you might have seen Brad Pitt

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and Damsen address the other actor who you may

5:22

remember from snow is there there's a photo of Brad in

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his ages So his fictional

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teams what age do you think Brad Pitt is?

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He's in his 50s for sure He might

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be in Venus. See

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the late 50s. I'd say at this stage.

5:34

What's your number? 58 59 not

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not bad.

5:38

He is 59. He's a freak. He's

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a freak of beauty That's very very well in life.

5:42

So he's wearing them to close there of This

5:45

fictional team from this as yet unnamed

5:47

movie he's done an interview in the last couple of days with Martin

5:50

Brudel the famous Martin Brudel from the Pitlin

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walks and He spoke

5:54

to him about the experience of filming this movie So they would

5:57

win the drivers were walking out to the grid at

5:59

the weekend the 12th drivers. There were

6:01

two extra drivers, so Brad as you saw

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in that photo there in Dampson Idris, his co-star.

6:06

As part of this filming for this movie, Brad

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also got to take a junior F2 car,

6:11

which was modified to look like an F1 car, out

6:13

onto the track. So he's literally driving a

6:15

Silverstone in front of the

6:17

tens of thousands of fans and

6:20

like he just came off the track, spoke to Brundle

6:23

and I've never seen a grown man

6:25

as excited as Brad Pitt was coming off

6:27

that. Like he said this is the time of his

6:29

life,

6:30

like I don't think he's ever enjoyed a movie

6:32

as much as making this one. Wow. It's unnamed. He did

6:35

reveal in the interview Javier Bardem is gonna have a role. He's

6:38

basically, Dampson Idris is the young up-and-coming

6:41

driver on this team, kind of at the bottom of the

6:43

grid. Brad Pitt is the washed-up driver

6:45

from like the 90s that was brilliant

6:47

back then, but they've managed

6:49

to squeeze him out of retirement for one last

6:51

push as kind of a last roll

6:54

of the dice for this team that are having a terrible time. You

6:56

can imagine then the Brad Pitt storyline

6:58

is kind of better. Brad Pitt does kind of washed up very

7:00

well. He does do washed up. There's something like

7:02

a for a leading man. He's more of a character actor really.

7:05

He is. But his looks betray the character actor. Yeah.

7:07

So I'm looking for Lewis Hamilton as one of the producers

7:09

of this film, Jerry Bruckheimer, famous producer

7:12

as well. It's directed by Joseph

7:14

Kaczynski who directed Top Gun Maverick.

7:16

So like that kind of vibe. They also

7:18

when they had that car out on track that

7:20

Pitt and Dampson Idris brought out on the track, the

7:23

amount of different camera angles apparently that they've had in the

7:25

car. So like he says, you'll never have seen speed

7:28

in this sense. He just does a massive,

7:31

he loves riding motorbikes, Brad Pitt, for

7:33

years. He's a adrenaline junkie. He is big time.

7:35

He's like a Tom Cruise. I was interviewed with him in

7:38

the peak of his stardom. Well, I suppose

7:40

he's still peaking, isn't he? But in the late 90s with

7:42

Oprah,

7:44

and

7:46

he's like, I don't really like watching sports. I have to

7:48

partake in the mud. Yeah. And

7:50

then there's also a scene that you

7:52

forget about when Jackass, the

7:54

show, yeah, first came out right. And

7:56

that was the biggest thing ever to start at the 21st century.

7:59

He appears in Jackass. Yeah,

8:01

he's in he's in an episode of Jackass and

8:03

he does a few stunts with them and he's dressed up like

8:05

in a Soush so you wouldn't know who he is like in a costume

8:08

So he isn't and he does like run around say terrorizing

8:10

people or whatever they're doing So he

8:12

just did that because he wanted this when he was married Jennifer Aniston

8:14

around that time brilliant Like it does whatever

8:17

he wants. He's got up my estimation massively That's

8:19

this whole f1 thing is gonna be he was

8:21

even like on the on the during the interview with

8:23

Martin Brundle He was like, oh, yeah, we'll get we get you to

8:25

do a cameo because

8:26

he's like a big fan of like a huge fan of Martin

8:29

Like he watches all the coverage of f1 every week

8:32

He he's like, oh you won lemans

8:34

and like you've done this and you've done that It's

8:36

like he's just he is upset like this is

8:39

an obsession for Brad Pitt So this is like his movie that

8:41

he's probably gonna look back on as the

8:43

one he really enjoyed doing most So yeah, I'm

8:45

looking forward to see I don't have no idea when it's out just

8:48

being filmed at the moment So and so there's one of the

8:50

producers is Brad Pitt also producing because

8:52

he I think he is time be as his company He they

8:54

did. Yeah for Wall Street. They're involved. Yeah,

8:56

they're not on this one as well so I'm

8:59

Absolutely buzzing for this Martin Brundle by the way, 64 He's

9:02

only five years older than that

9:03

pit but the two of them stand at Martin Brundle looks well

9:05

as well Michael here in the comments George

9:08

Michael live in point depot was possibly the greatest

9:10

life So I've ever been at would love to see him live taxi

9:12

driver this morning. Obviously we got talking about documentary

9:15

Yeah, of course you saw him twice

9:16

life. Yeah, right credible

9:19

What was your first concert? Point

9:22

depot just remind me of my first concert.

9:24

I think I was at West Lyle I

9:28

don't know I

9:29

Can't remember now. I let you think it would have been

9:31

in something in poverty Park E ring.

9:33

Oh, of course Good prunty

9:36

a good court pronunciation there. Yeah, good Irish pronunciation

9:38

to be fair Park E ring Connor says that anyone

9:40

see Brundle's interview with Cara Cara Delevingne. Did

9:43

you see this? So

9:46

Murphy came in yesterday and was like did anyone see this you

9:48

have to watch this is Martin Brundle funny Is he he

9:50

does not give you?

9:52

You know what? He just doesn't care and he's

9:54

doing the gridwalk. He's chatting to people left right in center and Walks

9:57

up to Cara Delevingne and there's a PR

9:59

person

9:59

or an F1 PR person beside her who's

10:02

like shaking their head and he walks up to her

10:04

and he says so two seconds for a chat and

10:06

all she has to do is say yeah have

10:08

a great time it's a lot of fun it's crazy it's

10:10

great to be here and he will walk on he doesn't

10:12

care but she's like no and Martin's

10:16

actually just two seconds for a chat like it won't take up

10:18

too much of your time essentially and yeah

10:20

she's not having any of it she had to come out on social

10:22

media afterwards and because she looks she doesn't come

10:24

out of it looking too too well oh yeah

10:26

and she was explaining look I was told by the PR

10:28

person not to say anything and everyone's like well you could have just said

10:31

the most basic thing of all time

10:34

a lot of the people on the grid for some reason these celebrities

10:36

their PR people don't warn them and say here's

10:39

a photograph of Martin Brundle he's probably

10:41

going to put a microphone in your face just

10:43

say a little something nice for two seconds and

10:45

we'll walk away but um yeah

10:47

he's had a lot of these awkward moments was Beyonce

10:50

one of them at one stage there's

10:52

been like countless moments on that F1 grid

10:54

where Brundle has uh Dara

10:57

Tewitt says she was so rude

10:58

Jack said she came across so petulant um

11:02

house have come out and said that he shouldn't have pushed her there

11:05

is that element picked two people think that Brindle

11:07

maybe gets people's faces but look it's

11:09

quick it's

11:10

it's chaotic on the grid before an F1 race

11:12

yeah but uh yeah looking forward to that movie

11:15

yeah I should mention before we move on here's

11:17

what is coming up between now and 10 o'clock on the show this

11:19

morning we will talk Manchester United with Daniel

11:21

Harris from around eight o'clock uh

11:23

Mason Mount we'll talk to Hayes exit Andre

11:25

Ohnana rumors the club's

11:28

sale gone a little bit quiet in the last

11:30

couple of weeks as well Jenny Claffey's gonna be in studio from

11:32

around 25 past eight for the latest on Wimbledon and

11:35

uh possible news of a little challenge that is

11:37

coming up upcoming for team OTB and uh John

11:39

Duggan coming up at 8 45 we'll reflect on

11:40

the weekend's hurting he's of course

11:43

devastated after Claire's defeat 8 55 Jess

11:45

Kelly uh we'll talk

11:47

us through Hawkeye

11:48

um how does it work how much does

11:50

it cost why does it not work in big matches

11:53

at the odd time uh famously at the Monaghan

11:55

Armagh gate game recently the Golly Armagh

11:57

gate or no Golly

11:58

there he was at last year

11:59

Half time. Half time, it was madness.

12:02

And then the Hurting Power rankings will come at 10 past 9,

12:05

Willow Callaghan in studio no less to

12:07

see. Did the last weekend semi-finals change

12:09

the rankings somewhat? And Rory O'Connor

12:11

then from half past 9, talking on the show with Joe last

12:13

night. Not to give too much of a spoiler, but Jess

12:16

Kelly's findings are very interesting on

12:18

Hawkeye. She's kindly sent them on to you and I, but we'll

12:20

save it for the slash. But it's one of the routes that you've been through

12:22

because the stats around us are bonkers. It's really

12:24

captivating actually. Because it is such

12:26

a contentious system. For

12:29

the

12:29

two quarter-finals in the football the weekend

12:32

before last, they used them on the Saturday and they

12:34

dropped it for the Sunday. I remember my reaction

12:36

being one of total unsurprised.

12:39

Yeah, because in case. What if there

12:41

had been a contentious point on Sunday?

12:43

Very luckily, both of those games were whitewashes, so

12:45

it didn't really matter. Exactly, and there were no incidents of

12:47

note. The other thing about Croke

12:49

Park is the Hills X-Teen violence.

12:52

Yeah, again, shh. So I saw the

12:55

video yesterday from Sunday

12:57

of the Claire fan, someone wearing

13:00

a Claire jersey, leaning over a

13:02

woman in a Kilkenny

13:04

jersey, almost hitting her. Yeah. Obviously

13:08

to hit a lad behind her in also an Kilkenny jersey.

13:11

This seems to be happening a lot. Monaghan and Armagh fans,

13:13

clearly very young in the video that I saw,

13:16

probably filled up with drink on the bus up to Croke

13:18

Park that morning, just battering each other

13:20

on Hill 16 as well. Didn't

13:23

it happen the previous weekend as

13:25

well? Yeah, so it seems to be happening. In the Armagh

13:27

mannequin match. Yeah, so the Armagh mannequin, and then the following

13:30

day, what if the other quarterfinals had

13:32

happened again? I can't remember which sets of fans

13:34

I'm not going to... Was Dublin me or Cork Terry? I

13:36

can't remember which.

13:37

I don't remember that footage. No, the Lightning mid-footage,

13:40

but I think it was talk of incidents potentially happening.

13:43

I don't know, the threats from the GEA

13:45

seem to be that we'll have to put numbered

13:48

seating up on Hill 16. Look,

13:51

this could have been happening throughout the years and it's undocumented

13:54

and just discussed, but now obviously we have footage

13:56

of this thing.

13:57

And it seems to me like it's a certain demographic

13:59

or engagement.

13:59

engaging in this violence. It's like lads in their

14:02

early 20s. And I don't know what they're inspired

14:04

by. It could be substances,

14:06

it could be like angiotate generation or

14:08

whatever. It's mad though because

14:11

the first port of call

14:13

seems to be violence. Usually

14:15

at a game match there's a bit of

14:17

cracking, a bit of back and forth and it can get heated,

14:20

but it always remains verbal. It's actually

14:22

a testament to your wit to

14:24

see who wins the fight really in

14:26

game matches when fans are sharing spaces. It's

14:29

horrible because it was the last batch

14:31

of sports where you could genuinely

14:34

share the space like in G.E.A.

14:37

age. It's a complete

14:39

foreign aspect of your typical

14:41

Premier League fan in England. Can you imagine Liverpool

14:44

and Everton fans sitting beside each other? And

14:46

that wouldn't be the strongest derby. Apparently

14:49

it's getting worse now as the years have gone by, but

14:52

Celtic Rangers sitting beside each other, or

14:54

even just a standard Premier League game of like Fulham

14:57

against Newcastle or Craven Cottage, the idea

14:59

of

15:00

mixed fans. So

15:03

it's something to celebrate in G.E.A. but obviously

15:06

just look, it's a massive minority that

15:08

are engaged in this type of nonsense. But

15:11

it's not,

15:12

you know, when these people who are doing it look back

15:14

on it in a decade time, I hope they think to themselves

15:16

like, what was I at like? And also massively

15:18

embarrassed that it's on camera and caught forever. 100%

15:22

and they'll never go away with that footage. And look,

15:24

the man in our mind game I think it threw

15:26

in at 6pm.

15:28

So by that time,

15:29

young ones have had a lot of time

15:32

to get drink on board. Yeah, but I saw the Wii when we

15:34

were that age. Yeah, true. Yeah.

15:36

Yeah. That's not your first instinct.

15:38

No,

15:39

no, definitely not. Definitely not. I go through your head like, but

15:42

you're not going to actually do it. Yeah. And

15:44

it's just one of those cultural experiences when you're

15:46

younger. I guess the age demographic on Hill 16

15:48

is younger because... No, it is younger. But

15:51

it's no excuse. And the

15:54

worry I have is that

15:55

these people think like this is something brave to do,

15:57

like in something cool and courageous and

15:59

shows.

15:59

your strength of character like and you'll get patted

16:02

on the back Monday morning because of this but

16:04

it's total opposite like yeah it's the

16:06

most cowardly thing you can do like it's ridiculous and

16:08

look there is rivalry between Monaghan and

16:11

Arma for sure there's a no doubt rivalry

16:13

between Kelly and Claire as well but I don't even think that

16:15

that's part of it it's just there's

16:17

a few comments coming in about this Shane yeah

16:20

and like I'm not surprised by it really you know I had a feeling

16:22

people would be um would have a point

16:24

to make about this like you've never been an issue in rugby

16:27

like I don't also like the water boundary of comparing to other

16:29

sports but

16:29

I do take the point that you don't see

16:32

it in certain yeah

16:33

sports in certain matches you don't but I would have also

16:36

included GAA in that haven't said that

16:38

I would say like the Leinster Skills Cup final weren't

16:40

fans of tearing your college criticized

16:43

or damage done to the previous stadium and things like that so

16:45

there are

16:46

issues do crop up on all sports granted

16:48

rugby it seems to happen less there's going to be issues

16:50

it's going to be could be mass crowd trouble at

16:53

some events but I hate I hate

16:55

the resorting to violence as uh as

16:57

one of the first reactions to something so

17:00

I wonder how all of these fights are starting

17:03

presumably something to do with uh somebody

17:05

mocking

17:06

the other team it could be just a chair at a

17:08

point like yeah get over

17:11

yourself like basic stuff and Michael says the hill 16 incident

17:13

is indicative of where society as a whole is too much street

17:15

violence for social media plots it's not

17:17

a specific hill 16 issue maybe you're right

17:20

doesn't happen at the tennis quite right Damien you

17:23

wouldn't say that at Wimbledon you don't do you know that would be a

17:25

sight

17:26

you really don't um Danny

17:28

Mac maybe the older GAA people knew what they were doing by straight

17:31

knock out no chance for hooligan is up to take hold you

17:33

don't see it at the snooker says Barry O'Connor

17:35

yeah you don't you don't see it at the snooker I have

17:38

to say no and also um

17:40

look the the point made here and it's true

17:42

it's not a GAA specific problem

17:45

no it is a societal issue but

17:47

I you know this has probably been the case throughout the decades

17:50

but the fact that it's been captured now yeah highlights

17:52

it even more and I hope it continues to be

17:54

caught in camera because and like the people are

17:57

just put out there to actually just embarrass them about what

17:59

this and also

17:59

So like it's gonna happen someone's gonna get seriously

18:02

hurt like how people aren't getting Hospitalized

18:05

or worse. Well the clerical Kenny video that I saw it's strange

18:07

I don't know if it was the girl let that your man head

18:09

over But certainly there was a girl with blood running

18:11

down her forehead

18:12

and guard II then getting involved Yeah, and

18:15

so people are getting hurt. That's there beyond an

18:17

end all of it and look it is a massive

18:19

Small minority compared to I totally

18:21

yeah You'd hate to see a croak

18:24

like you live Dublin a monon fans meaning and on

18:26

hill 16 this Saturday Yeah, same

18:28

on Sunday with dairy and carry fans. You just don't want

18:30

to see it Don't you love to have a word with these young that's just

18:32

like what are you doing? I'm around the show like

18:34

I don't think they care to be honest losers ever like

18:36

yeah Cameron Hill is in studio

18:38

with us Things Lake

18:41

Garda

18:42

Lake Garda discuss. Oh, welcome back.

18:44

That's where Cameron was the people were wondering home

18:47

of the Garda Where

18:49

they were founded Yeah,

18:52

yeah, I see it later and then they named Lake

18:54

Garda in their honor. Yeah, brilliant really really

18:59

Going on the continent you understand

19:01

like just the poor selection of weather

19:03

we had or we have in this country

19:05

We're still actually like a million and it's all very Modern

19:09

it's all very moderate button on the weather It's really

19:12

really warm and then I have one of the days

19:14

we had this absolutely kick-ass thunderstorm.

19:17

It was incredible Absolutely

19:19

brilliant like is the sorry I

19:21

would have been a fork lightning man all day,

19:24

but she lightning is where it's at I

19:28

know what sheet lightning sheet lining is like fork lightning

19:31

way up in the air. Yeah, it just covers guy

19:33

That's what we used to get an iron in the 90s. Yeah,

19:35

yeah, okay, man

19:37

Okay, okay, man. I'll stop there.

19:39

I don't know your Irish punt lightning

19:41

anymore. You caught that fork lightning by the storehouse

19:44

I did

19:44

yes, remember we all taught you cars and

19:47

but then you cheated lads I obviously

19:49

I cheated like so the way to get a great

19:51

photo of lightning phone tip take

19:53

a video Which

19:54

I did over the Guinness you download Photoshop

19:57

You could do that. Mmm, but I just took

19:59

a video and naturally enough, a strike

20:01

of lightning hit. Then you just pause

20:04

your video

20:05

after you've saved it

20:06

and like scroll along until you see the little

20:08

bit of lightning pause it somewhere, take a screenshot of

20:10

that part,

20:11

edit it to make it look good. See, I think that counts. I

20:13

don't know, man, the artistry's gone like back in

20:15

my day, people used to capture lightning

20:17

live. That's what frames are, you know? Not people,

20:20

you gotta appreciate the artistry. I sat there for

20:22

long enough to get the good lightning, you

20:24

know?

20:25

Yeah, big thunder lightning found myself.

20:28

We actually, I was so bored last night, myself

20:30

and my housemates. What are you bored for? Well,

20:32

sorry, there's no midweek football,

20:35

I got research to do. It was a massive Wimbledon

20:37

match. I could have watched Wimbledon. Wimbledon was alive

20:40

and well last night, on fire as the kids would say. Do you

20:42

know what Jordan did? That was lightning. Do you

20:44

know what I did instead? What did you do? We

20:46

power ranked the bridges of Dublin. We

20:48

went along the Liffey and we were like, we're gonna memorise

20:51

all this. What's your bottom tier? What are you saying this

20:53

publicly with how loud you're at? Tom Clark is, Tom Clark

20:55

Bridge is number one.

20:56

Over to the three arena. Haribical. Happeney

20:59

Bridge is obviously, it'll be in the amber and the performer

21:01

dragons, because it's beautiful with a lot of tourists.

21:04

I don't care about this at all. Speaking

21:06

of the social media capturing, I was minding

21:08

my own business on social media yesterday, I was scrolling through

21:11

and I saw the Camp Nou being demolished. Oh

21:13

yeah. So first order, I'm playing in the Olympic Stadium

21:15

next year while the stadium gets refurbished.

21:18

I was actually on to Graham Hunter last night, I was asking, is this

21:20

a big deal in Spain? He said, not really, there's

21:22

a video here, we're gonna play of

21:24

the actual demolition. So if you can't see it,

21:26

it's just the cranes getting to work on the

21:28

new camp and demolishing it before

21:31

our very eyes, but it will be much improved,

21:33

we hope, when it comes back. But

21:36

it's one of the iconic stadia in the world.

21:39

And on Friday, the two of us in Aisling

21:41

spoke about our favourite sporting venues off the back

21:43

of Claire Balding's statement that Central Court of Wimbledon

21:45

is the greatest sporting stage in the world. And

21:48

we got quite a few comments afterwards on that. Where

21:50

does Camp Nou rate for you?

21:53

So I've been to the Camp Nou on one of the tours

21:55

as a youngster. Exactly the same

21:57

as me. Never had a match. Yeah, Emma Carroll is

21:59

the only one.

21:59

I think of the production team. Yeah, we've

22:02

been to again feel like you need to have been in a match to really give

22:04

the You but I mean obviously

22:06

as a stadium. It's unbelievable. They

22:08

say company. We're new camp. I

22:11

Used to always say new camp and I then I realized

22:13

it's camp new. Yeah. Yeah I've been

22:15

and I had the chance to go to a Barcelona game back

22:18

in 2014 because we went on

22:20

a school tour and ill-fated school tour to

22:22

Barcelona and to lose and

22:25

Won't go into why it was ill-fated right now But

22:28

it was ill-fated for me when we went to Barcelona because

22:30

a load of the lads went to think Barcelona

22:32

were playing taffy and

22:34

it was like an 8-0 win and Messi

22:36

scored a penalty

22:38

and I said, ah, you know what I'll

22:40

probably see Messi plenty of times in my life and

22:44

Nine years later that

22:45

hasn't happened To

22:47

go OTB Miami to see him now because

22:50

I want to see him before he finishes up I saw Cristiano

22:52

play

22:53

when Portugal paid Ireland at the Aviva there

22:55

before last I think it was November 21 Yeah,

22:58

I saw Ronaldo But

23:00

I saw my little chaffered to actually Manchester be 20 years

23:02

ago 2003. Yeah His

23:05

first season but yeah,

23:07

I can it's a bit of shame because Baca juniors are also doing

23:09

the same at their stadium our

23:12

previous colleague and call Highlighted

23:15

that for me that's like it's again a kind of an iconic

23:17

stadium That's been changed and homogenized

23:20

like everyone else and look this like you look

23:22

at a letter comadreids new same Incredible

23:24

by your music upgrade is unbelievable Tottenham

23:27

Hotspur Stadium Like I've been it's on that

23:29

stadium is on so it's such a good day out Like

23:31

it's like a festival and the football is almost on the site. So

23:34

like objectively

23:36

facilities are improving a bit like footballers The

23:38

the level of football now was at a lot of time high, but

23:40

what you do sacrifices the romanticism of it Like

23:43

yeah. Oh, yeah, what makes these grounds unique?

23:45

And that's you know, we're I

23:47

know how long that League of Ireland fans have

23:49

been waiting for any sort of revamp to their stadium

23:52

But if it comes one day, I hope

23:54

that they maintain some of the identity of say a daily

23:56

mount or a talco Yeah, Richmond Park. I

23:59

do think it will go around

23:59

and circles and I do think that will be

24:02

common issue and I'd say the new generation of architects

24:04

and designers coming through will be like we need to stand

24:06

out a bit and have a bit of character

24:09

about us so hopefully it will go the other way. But

24:11

it seems like every city around the world has been kind of Celtic

24:13

Tigard

24:14

to death like where it's like the best of everything.

24:17

Funny as you mentioned FPL, Robert Okey says that

24:19

sheet lightning was a creation of the Celtic Tigard

24:22

which I didn't know. So it was pre

24:24

Euro. Running the Creevy. It was pre Euro

24:26

then maybe the sheet lightning came in. Yeah it was the Minister

24:28

of Fire of the Year, the first Thursday of the year. They launched

24:31

it. It was great.

24:32

Yeah. Love that. This is the perfect comment

24:34

Cameron. Oh. Makes so much sense. Seabracken.

24:37

Love how Colin reigns in anyone who goes

24:40

off on a tangent aka me

24:42

talking about bridges but spends five

24:44

minutes talking about Wham. That is perfect.

24:46

Wham is in the news. All I wanted to do was mention bridges

24:49

and I was like move on. Move on. Wham

24:51

is in the news. Let us know in your comments. Wham,

24:53

we saw the audience decline. Ah the Samba. That bridge

24:55

was good. What's your favourite bridge? Going downhill. Yeah.

24:58

Have you ever seen the Sam Beckett

25:00

Bridge open?

25:02

Do it. Sam Beckett Bridge. Yeah. That's up there

25:04

by the way. Sam Beckett is one of the top bridges. Have you ever seen it open?

25:06

Rosie Hackett is another decent bridge. Because there was a

25:08

thing for years that they couldn't find the key for it.

25:11

All right. They didn't know where the key was

25:13

to open Sam Beckett Bridge so it never opened. That's

25:15

good. That's how you do a bridge story. Oh yeah. They couldn't find the key

25:17

for the bridge. That's funny. Yeah. That's good. That's interesting.

25:20

I like that. What more to Cameron we say. I

25:22

do want to mention before we move on. Stanford Bridge by the way.

25:24

I love it. That's

25:28

not bad. Because it is an important

25:30

or a big sporting birthday today. And just

25:32

before we get to that. It's not my birthday. Matt Daugherty.

25:35

Matt Daugherty re-signing for Wooloos broke

25:37

the news book last night. Talk, sport, report about 10pm. What

25:40

you make of that? He

25:41

needs to play for Bully. Yeah. Only many minutes that

25:43

he played at Atlanta. 18 in total. So

25:45

literally what appearance was it or two? He came on twice.

25:48

So I think it was 14 and 4.

25:50

Opened to correction on that. So it was very little anyway. It

25:52

was strange. I remember in the office at the time.

25:54

Were you there that day when it was breaking news and sports news?

25:57

And we were all like, you know, the one TV in the office

25:59

and we were all like.

25:59

Matt D'Arte to El Etoquo and

26:02

we all have to re-read it to each other to make sure that this is

26:04

true. And we were all super excited and

26:06

I think his, the

26:09

game where he appeared most was about 16 minutes

26:11

I think off the bench was relatively early.

26:14

So the signs were good like and

26:16

then I'd be on the live score up every time El Etoquo played

26:18

and it would be D'Arte number 12 on U-Sub.

26:21

Yeah. Every single day. Like he was making

26:23

the bench at least but at the same time was going nowhere

26:25

near the pitch. At least he could save Lead in the

26:28

league. Yeah he did exactly. It's a bit

26:30

like when Steve Finnan went to Espanyol and

26:32

Härte went to Levante but I think Härte to Levante

26:34

actually was pretty successful. I think he should follow

26:36

Levante to end as a result of the move in there.

26:39

I don't think Finnan played too much at Espanyol. But

26:43

Arne it's an awful shame for him but at the same time we'll look at Wolves

26:45

where he stood out and I hope Julian Leipategi

26:47

gets the best out of him. Well absolutely with Nathan Collins gone

26:49

now Leipategi has an

26:51

Irish defender shaped hole on

26:53

his bench. That's true. So he needs

26:55

to fill that. Steve Finnan played four times

26:57

for Espanyol. Four times. That

27:00

was another January transfer. Oh he had to align. I remember

27:02

it. Levante meanwhile for

27:04

Ian Hart was slightly

27:06

more successful as he said. 0-4-0-7 just

27:09

after he left Leeds and before he went to Sunderland. So 66

27:12

games for Levante and 10 goals. Oh yeah brilliant yeah.

27:14

What a player. Probably under a preset a little bit by

27:16

us isn't it? Ian Hart. Don't talk about

27:18

him enough. Jesus you said Peacemaster like Leeds. Brilliant

27:21

full back. Brilliant full

27:23

back. Really outstanding. And just

27:25

one more anniversary to on this day 2010 the

27:28

World Cup final.

27:30

The Netherlands against Spain. Andres

27:33

Iniesta 116th to win it just before penalties.

27:35

Ariane Robin at Nill Nill True 1-1 with

27:37

Iko Cassias. I'd say he still thinks about 13

27:40

years ago today. Do you remember? Absolutely

27:43

awful final. One of the worst I've ever seen. The Vuvuzetas

27:45

were too dominant in anything. No but it wasn't as bad as Colum

27:48

Moani's

27:49

Emmy Martinez is safe from Colum Moani

27:51

and the most recent work of Final Four Christmas. Is

27:54

that a more iconic save?

27:55

Oh no that's interesting that you think it like that. Yeah because

27:57

I would say you're totally correct that that's

27:59

an ex-

27:59

kind of save. That would have won the World Cup. Yeah,

28:02

but I thought like Robin had all day long

28:04

to finish it, which is by the way not necessarily

28:06

a positive when you have that much time to think, but

28:08

that was peak Robin. Like I think three

28:11

months earlier he had knocked Manchester

28:13

United out of the Champions League with Bayern at

28:15

Old Trafford, Avadi from a corner like

28:17

supreme player.

28:19

So this is the Gardi from Lake Garda, Colin

28:22

Cameron. British owners of Dublin, Collinium.

28:24

Yeah. Let us know your favourite British.

28:27

But anyway, I'll never forget that one on one miss. I'm

28:30

hoping that he would miss because I love that Spain team and

28:32

I wanted him to win the World Cup. That's all he did. There's

28:34

no Johnny Sexton Bridge. There

28:37

are Liam Mello's Bridge, Grattan Bridge, Hepene Bridge,

28:40

Collins loving this, O'Connell Bridge, Mennen Bridge. Let us

28:42

know your favourite Dublin Bridges or generally speaking

28:45

your favourite Bridges. What makes a good Bridge? Ian Hartridge at

28:47

the Better Freak conversion rate in Beckham. There's

28:50

a great four or three game at

28:52

Ellyn Rhodes that he scores against the

28:54

United. And Beckham runs half the pitch and passes

28:56

the pitch. Barthes in goals? Yeah, O'102.

28:59

March 2002.

29:00

My father's 50th birthday that day. How

29:03

do you remember that? I have a memory of certain

29:05

things. I was going to say that's... It's weird. I wouldn't

29:07

remember yesterday what we did in the show, but I remember those

29:10

things. Very specific. Isn't that mad, isn't it? That's

29:12

very specific. Come here lads, we must do this. Yeah,

29:14

Johnny Sexton's birthday today. Yeah, it is. Happy birthday. 38

29:17

years of age. You're watching. Maybe you watch.

29:19

Tots.

29:20

Well, no, I mean... Decent time.

29:23

Decent time. It is interesting because... Happy birthday,

29:25

by the way, Johnny. Do we take him slightly for

29:27

granted? So, obviously we cover a lot of rugby

29:29

on the show and

29:31

it's where people are... What they want to

29:33

hear and no matter what time of year it is, people

29:35

want to hear about their rugby. And we always just kind

29:37

of breeze over Sexton and his brilliance because we all

29:39

assume it's just what it's kind of a bit dull because

29:42

everyone knows how much of a legend he is. But these

29:44

are the types of players that you actually do need to hone in on and

29:47

be like, hold on, he's generational. Yeah. From the

29:49

moment he went

29:51

in there and took Ron La Garra out of the team,

29:54

he's never looked back. He's the one player

29:56

that when I ask fans

29:59

from abroad... They all really

30:02

dislike him, but they'd all put him in

30:04

their team straight away. The

30:05

ultimate sign of respect. The ultimate sign of respect,

30:08

because in France they really don't like him. Even

30:10

after his two years. Oh, especially after his

30:13

two years. So for context, Cameron

30:15

lived and worked in France. I did, yes. So this

30:17

is good knowledge here. So

30:19

why is that? What's the vibe and why? There's

30:22

definitely a feeling he didn't really take Rossignol that seriously.

30:25

And he's even mentioned himself that if he could have spent

30:27

his whole career at Leinster, he would have. And

30:29

maybe that Rossignol might have been the greatest

30:31

idea. But,

30:34

yeah, they're just, they don't

30:36

necessarily like his

30:38

backchat to the referee. We're on that

30:40

tomorrow, I guess. But, yeah,

30:43

everyone's really jealous of the fact that we have this generational

30:45

talent, this world-class player. Probably,

30:48

I don't know, would you say he's

30:50

probably Ireland's greatest ever rugby player at this point? Yeah,

30:53

I mean, it's him and

30:55

Brian O'Jiskell, I think, is the debate.

30:57

And I think if Sexton keeps

30:59

going, and if he does come back and does

31:01

appear, and does something

31:04

productive in the World Cup, that might tip him over

31:06

the edge ahead of O'Jiskell. It's hard to know. I suppose

31:08

it depends where you are in your life, what age you are. Like,

31:11

I grew up with O'Jiskell and the hat-shook in France, and

31:13

I remember that vividly, and all his great moments,

31:15

and how, a bit like what Cameron was saying, like how

31:17

the world viewed him was the

31:20

highest respect. And

31:22

like, O'Jiskell, even the peak of the All Blacks

31:25

in the noughties, like you'd argue that O'Jiskell

31:27

could have played second centre. O'Jiskell burst

31:29

onto the scene more. Well,

31:31

I think Sexton was like, who's this kid? But

31:36

I mean, in terms of a one-game, oh my God

31:38

moment. Well, he announced him to that, because

31:41

we have a fact file here, but I remember vividly

31:43

that 2011 Heineken Cup

31:44

Final, where he scored 28

31:47

points and basically won the game for Leinster

31:49

when they were 25-6 down. It's incredible.

31:52

Yeah.

31:54

And, you know, I don't think, well,

31:56

maybe Leinster fans go on about it, but as an Irish

31:58

public, we don't talk about it.

31:59

about that enough. He basically

32:02

pulled them, dragged them

32:04

over the line for their second ever

32:06

Heineken Cup. It's incredible. And

32:08

that is his 2000 in Paris moment. Yeah,

32:12

it's true. And I just will

32:14

never forget coming on for the free, but can't deport me as

32:16

a young fella. Yeah, that was Tracetru. And then

32:18

just single-handedly taking

32:20

the game by the Stromford's Neck. Here's how long he's

32:22

been playing. His debut was against a team

32:25

called the Border Reavers from Scotland

32:27

who don't exist anymore. Yeah,

32:29

you know your

32:29

old man. Well, longevity is incredible and it's

32:32

rare you see... I

32:34

know that Jack would actually be similar in tennis,

32:36

that he's actually improving. It gets

32:38

older. The age. Similar hairstyle. Which is a similar

32:41

mentality, I would say, in terms of backs against the wall.

32:43

Everyone's out to get us and therefore I'll show

32:45

you and he has them consistently. Because he

32:47

does have sex and does seem to get off and having

32:50

a point to prove. I mean, it's so hard to

32:52

be if he was left out of the Lions tour, isn't it? Ah, matters.

32:54

Complete matters. It's incredible. And

32:57

then his reaction to being dropped two years

32:59

ago, to being left out and how

33:01

brilliant he has been right up until the England

33:03

game at the recent Six Nations. Just

33:06

how excellent he's been and how reliant

33:09

Ireland have been

33:10

in the 10 jersey for Sexton. In

33:13

late winter and early spring on

33:15

this show, what we talk about when it

33:17

comes to rugby, what's the plan to replace

33:19

Sexton? And we would put it

33:21

to Ron Loughara himself and there wouldn't

33:24

really be a definitive answer. There'd be a few candidates.

33:26

That's not going to be another Sexton. And

33:29

this could be the last birthday he has as an active

33:31

rugby player. And

33:35

it's important to note that before he

33:37

does pack it in because we'll do loads of tributes

33:39

to him when he's finished. But hopefully

33:41

we get just a little bit more out of him. What

33:44

happens later this year or in a few months? We'll

33:47

dictate the legacy, I guess. Well, sorry, we won't

33:49

dictate the legacy, but it won't. No, no, it won't. It won't

33:51

be a cherry on top. Look, he could have a disastrous

33:54

display or it may not even appear. It won't

33:56

change anything. It's the cherry on

33:58

the cake, I think.

33:59

Whatever the story of this World

34:02

Cup, it will be a story about

34:04

Sexton as well. Like, even if he's not

34:06

there, it'll be all the more important. Get

34:09

a lot of comments in about a particular

34:11

topic. Colin, you're not going to like this, but the

34:13

bridges have taken off. How

34:16

many arches, Shane? CEO, one spot

34:18

man.

34:19

I love the Mary McElise

34:21

Boyne Valley Bridge. Just west

34:24

of Drogheda has a particular, you know,

34:26

it's on the M1, it's on the road home to Monaghan. So I

34:29

really love it from a, I guess, personal point

34:31

of view. Similarly, Seabracken

34:33

says, Joe Dolan Bridge.

34:34

Not much going on aesthetically, but apparently the longest

34:37

bridge in Ireland, which is 540 metres

34:40

long and 14 metres wide in Ballandari County, Westmeath.

34:43

I was unfamiliar that there was a bridge named after Joe

34:45

Dolan, I have to say. Slane Bridge,

34:47

Iconic, says Owen.

34:49

Sexton needs a bridge named after him, says Robert

34:51

Ducky. I don't know if there are any bridges named after Irish sports

34:53

people. Presumably there is. I mean,

34:56

technically Sam Beckett was an Irish sports person.

34:58

True. Connor says Shaky Bridge in Cork.

35:00

Yeah, it's really good. Where's that? It's

35:03

in Cork. I like bridges and songs.

35:06

And movies with the word bridge in them. I would like that, that would

35:08

be good, yeah. Well, what songs are bridge in them?

35:10

Not the bridge of a song. Well, the bridge of a song, yeah.

35:13

Oh, yeah, yeah. Bridge of a water? Yeah.

35:16

I love that. Go on there, look. Look

35:18

what's in front of you there. That's a very exciting thing, yeah. Yeah, very

35:20

exciting. Move on from bridges. Thanks

35:23

very much. Thanks for watching. Let

35:26

us know all about bridges. Ah, James Sullivan. James

35:28

Sullivan. James Sullivan. What a man. What's

35:31

he said? Comes to the rescue. Discussion

35:33

is a bridge too far. The man. Great segue. Let's

35:36

get out of here. Perfect way to end on that note. Five past

35:38

eight on this Tuesday mornings. OTVM. Thank you,

35:40

Cameron.

35:40

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we get it. After the break, we'll have Daniel Harris

36:04

talking Manchester United. First though, Rory

36:06

O'Connor talking with Richie McCormick last night and

36:08

the Irish under 20 star Sam Prennergast.

36:11

He's just young. I don't think, like, I think

36:13

he's going to be, you know, a superstar. I

36:15

think he's got everything it takes. If he

36:17

can stay injury free and he keeps on the same trajectory,

36:20

you know, you look across this tournament and if you watch

36:23

the games that are taking place between other teams,

36:25

there's these best 10 in the tournament from what

36:27

I've seen, even though there have been patchy moments. There

36:29

was goal kicks that went to stray earlier in the tournament.

36:32

There was the odd decision that's gone to stray, the odd, the

36:34

odd kick to touch that wasn't right on the

36:36

money. But like we're we're probably

36:38

applying much higher standards

36:40

to what we're to him than because

36:43

of what he's done in the past year. And

36:45

on Saturday or yesterday, there was none

36:47

of really that. I mean, he

36:49

was no perfect in terms of his goal kicking. His

36:52

decision making was very good. He knew when to kick.

36:54

He knew he went to pass. His passing

36:56

was very good. He runs.

36:58

He's very physical as well. He's not shy.

37:00

I mean, his brother is an international back row, I guess. So we shouldn't

37:02

be surprised. He's not a small. He's not a small guy,

37:05

but he's he's well able to mix it as well.

37:07

He's the full package. He's so calm.

37:09

He's unflappable when he makes one of those mistakes

37:12

as he's going to, because he's 19 or 20 years old. He

37:15

never seems to bother by it. He just gets up and goes again.

37:18

And he looks like he has all of the

37:20

tools to go to go and do it. And he had

37:22

to have him in Ireland's corner going into this game

37:24

against a high quality French team on Friday is

37:27

a massive asset because with it in a moment,

37:30

he can just fix which in the game

37:32

is the game is wide open again. And, you know, it was

37:34

his kick to beat France in the last last couple of minutes

37:36

back in in February during the Six

37:38

Nations. So they know

37:40

that he has that clutch stuff in him. And

37:42

there's a lot of the basics that he's really good at. As well as line

37:44

kicking has been really good in terms of getting Ireland at

37:46

the position for malls and the scored off

37:48

the back of a lot of those malls. You know, just the

37:51

little details that that may come

37:53

together to make a really high quality out half

37:56

are all there. And if he doesn't have always

37:58

put it together, that's just because he's still.

37:59

OTP AM

38:03

the sports breakfast show from off

38:05

the ball Eight minutes past

38:07

eight on this Tuesday morning's OTP and the sports

38:09

breakfast show on off the ball myself and column moving

38:11

the voice You heard in the background there the producer brilliant

38:13

comment in on the YouTube

38:16

from Dara Hanen. Yes That is my brother column

38:18

Tuning in from a boss from Ha Long to Hanoi

38:20

in Vietnam Shout out to the brother

38:23

who was watching in probably the most Exotic

38:25

location this morning and the other the two

38:27

Jamie's Jamie Smith and fighting probably with him at Imagine as well

38:29

And a couple of other lads have no great have the time

38:32

of their lives a lot of good bridges over there as well Michael

38:34

says by the way of column concept pitch OTP

38:36

kick fodder competition for all-out and final

38:38

weekend a rep from each card You have to foot pass

38:40

across and needs to be caught to complete across the Liffey

38:43

will be some crack Oh, we've got an idea

38:45

here. Sorry Daniel Harris. We'll get to you in a second Jenny

38:47

claffy We challenge her to a tennis match.

38:49

Oh, yeah, she sent the group a

38:52

voice note I'm gonna play

38:53

what Jenny said to us interesting speaking of challenges

38:56

Yes, nine minutes past eight on this morning's Tuesdays

38:59

OTBM and I did I said Daniel Harris is

39:01

with us on this morning Show morning Daniel. How are things?

39:04

Hello. Good. Thanks. Have a good. Thanks for your patience there

39:06

I were we've loads to get into I guess of my to shut

39:08

it out I'm not sure where to stop but I might just start with with

39:11

David to here and end of an

39:13

era at Manchester and I guess

39:15

expected at the end of this season. He was

39:17

on a serious amount of money and Sad

39:21

for United fans on the same and maybe sad the

39:23

way in which it's been handled by the club. Is that fair?

39:26

Not really I don't think

39:28

in that if you look at it He's

39:31

he's had a probably a bit longer than you should have done

39:33

because the rest of the team needed so much work

39:36

that he had To be something that was addressed later

39:38

and actually think there's probably a chance

39:40

that ten half thought that he might give to care One

39:42

more year and then address the goalkeeping situation

39:44

next summer The behavior in the

39:47

running was so poor that

39:49

he had to do something about it And

39:51

I don't think that

39:52

he David the hair can complain. He's

39:55

not been really good For quite a long

39:57

time now, and it's actually pleasing

39:59

to see some because if you look at it from Tenhaft's

40:01

point of view, he couldn't drop

40:03

Duchair in his opinion last season because

40:06

he still needed him. So they had to make

40:08

like there was going to be a contract offer even if there wasn't because

40:11

they had to get the best performances out of him

40:13

that they could. Then when the

40:15

performances weren't good enough, I guess the managers just

40:17

had enough and that's

40:19

how top-level sport is, or should be, it's ruthless.

40:23

And David Duchair hasn't earned

40:25

Eric Tenhaft's loyalty, so he didn't get it.

40:28

And I don't feel particularly bad

40:30

from him. The guys earned tens of millions of pounds

40:32

out of him, whatever it is out of Man United over the years.

40:36

He was good for some of that time, he was not good for some

40:38

of that time. And the time has come

40:40

to get someone different because the

40:42

way that he keeps goal was holding the team

40:44

back. And I think the frustration for me with him will

40:47

always be that the things

40:49

he seemed to refuse to get better

40:51

at feel like things that goalkeepers

40:53

can get better at, you can't make

40:55

your reactions very much quicker, for example,

40:58

when he had the greatest reactions of any goalkeeper I've

41:00

ever seen by far. But sure that

41:02

you can get better at coming for crosses, at

41:04

controlling your defence, at commanding the box,

41:07

at pushing the defensive line forward, and

41:09

he just refused to really do anything apart

41:11

from make reaction status on his goal line. Daniel,

41:14

not to get too sentimental about multimillionaires,

41:17

but is it a bit of a sad ending after 12 years? It's

41:19

a social media post that David Duchair has left the

41:21

club

41:21

after contract negotiations end

41:24

and there's no offer of a new contract. Because if you look

41:26

back and shroud his whole United career, so

41:29

you'll remember his debut in the Community Shield in the Manchester

41:31

Derby, Edin Zeko was shot from distance,

41:33

squirmed under his body, and subsequently

41:35

Wayne Rooney talked about, and Gary Neville said

41:38

they didn't think this guy was going to make it, he

41:40

was too skinny, he was too slight. But then over the

41:42

preceding decade, like the middle of the last decade

41:45

under Louis Van Hal and then Jose Mourinho, like

41:47

David De Gea was United's best player consistently.

41:50

In 2017-18 I think he had the

41:52

record for the most number of saves in a game

41:54

away to Arsenal. Even last season he kept

41:56

the most clean sheets in the Premier League, which is the second

41:58

time he's done that. But for you,

41:59

you highlighted his weaknesses

42:02

there and his strengths. What do you think his

42:04

legacy is going to be at United? To put

42:06

it another way, what do you think of Tehyea?

42:09

He seems like a good guy.

42:11

I find him

42:13

in frustration and having been good

42:15

under van Kahl, United's best player under van Kahl,

42:18

I don't know, Giannini is taller than Danny

42:20

DeVito, whatever, it's to low

42:22

standards. But he said he had to do it. He said he had to

42:24

do it. Yeah, yeah, fine. But

42:27

what was he actually doing that was good? It was the same thing

42:29

he's always done those brilliant reaction saves,

42:31

a few good one on one saves. And it

42:33

obviously United would have been much worse off without

42:36

it. But

42:37

he wasn't as good a goalkeeper as Edwin

42:39

van der Sar or Peter Schmeichel. He wasn't as reliable

42:41

as van der Sar. He didn't make as many match defining

42:44

saves as Schmeichel. He didn't offer as much

42:46

in an attacking sense to Schmeichel either. So I

42:48

think I think that he was he seemed

42:50

like a good guy. He

42:51

was

42:52

I tell you what I liked about Tehyea is that

42:55

he was quite good fun to watch. And that's

42:57

quite unusual for a goalkeeper, just because

42:59

the

43:00

speed of his movements, the speed of his reactions

43:02

were just

43:03

mind blowing. And that that's, I

43:05

guess, what I'll remember that if

43:07

we're looking talking about the good stuff is the

43:09

speed of the reactions. But in terms

43:12

of overall, as a goalkeeper,

43:14

there were too many holes in his game.

43:17

And as I said, his refusal to try and

43:19

stitch up some of those holes or his apparent refusal.

43:21

And I totally understand how that can happen. That if you

43:24

think that for quite a number of years, he

43:26

was probably the only really top level

43:28

player in the team. He had no one pushing

43:30

him for his place. And he was playing in the team that wasn't

43:33

challenging for trophies. Then you can

43:35

see how you might go stale in that situation,

43:37

particularly if you were meant to go to Real Madrid

43:39

and then because of a dodgy fax machine,

43:41

you didn't. But it felt like he went

43:44

stale for a bit as well. And I personally would have

43:46

got rid of him in the first season of Soul Shires

43:48

Manager. United were trying to get

43:50

into the Champions League and he was rubbish at the end

43:52

of the season and they didn't. And I guess personally,

43:55

that was when I felt like it was time

43:57

to make a change. I can understand why there

43:59

was no change. change made because as I said, the team needed

44:01

so much work that if you've got

44:03

a goalkeeper who's more or less stopping the ball

44:05

going in the net, then you would say, well, you can

44:08

work with that. But

44:09

what you mentioned about the

44:12

highest number of clean sheets, you have the highest number of clean

44:14

sheets last season, because in front of him, he

44:16

had Varan, the Sandro Martinez

44:18

and Casimir. Yeah, but not all the time. Enough.

44:22

I don't look back at that season and think

44:24

David De Gea had a brilliant season. Whereas

44:27

I do look back at it and think the Sandro Martinez

44:29

had a brilliant season. I agree with that. I agree with that. Luke

44:31

Shaw had an excellent season. And so

44:34

the clean sheets is a misnomer because really,

44:36

it's almost it's the whole team that if the ball's

44:38

down like for Pep Guardiola's teams

44:40

until this city team are a good example of that.

44:43

They've always kept those clean sheets conceded very

44:45

few goals. It's not because the defenders and the keepers

44:47

are particularly good at that because you can't get

44:49

the ball. So what I'm saying is that particular

44:51

statistic doesn't necessarily tell

44:53

you about how good the goalkeeper's played. And having said

44:56

all that, when that transfer to Real

44:58

Madrid looked like it was going to go through until

45:00

the fax machine broke or whatever happened, do you

45:02

remember what your feeling was then? Were you distraught

45:05

at the idea of De Gea leaving?

45:07

I don't think I'd ever be distraught at the idea

45:09

of a player leaving and that players come and go.

45:11

And it's not the. And

45:14

I've seen much better players come and go

45:16

than than David De Gea. And also,

45:18

I guess at some level, you perhaps form

45:21

less attachment to goalkeepers, I'm not sure. But

45:24

what United need now is first

45:26

of all, I mean, they need someone who's not going to let MP rollers

45:28

as he did at West Ham and the Manchester City in

45:30

the Cup Final. And I'm sure the Cup Final

45:32

would have been the absolute final straw for 10. I mean,

45:35

I know it was for me where I'm thinking as

45:37

just thinking purely as a supporter, I'd happily

45:40

never clap eyes on you and your night ever again

45:42

for that. So to let in a goal like that,

45:44

when you fought your way back into a Cup Final, this all comes

45:47

also local derby and with the treble

45:49

still on the table that that to

45:51

me, I totally understand why the goalkeeper has

45:53

why the manager

45:54

has had enough of that. And it's actually about

45:56

time that there was some ruthlessness and it looks like

45:58

that's extending to Harry Maguire.

45:59

too, where you can see the kind

46:02

of briefings that are coming out, suggests

46:04

that the pieces are being moved to get

46:06

him out of the club as well. So not

46:08

because he's a bad person to have around,

46:11

but they need the money to go do other things

46:13

with it rather than just

46:14

keep a fourth choice, fifth choice centre

46:16

back. Yeah, he was the last remaining player that had played

46:19

3-0 under Alex Ferguson at the club

46:21

as well. Feels like that 4-0 defeat to Brentford

46:23

back in August was

46:24

a turning point in some ways for his future

46:26

and the distribution of course this season.

46:28

Shotstopper was never really a concern, but the distribution

46:31

certainly from the feet was maybe an issue.

46:33

I know that this is a subjective question

46:36

Daniel, but where does he rank in terms of

46:38

United's goalkeepers? I guess Schmeichel

46:40

and van der Sar were there for shorter periods and

46:42

yet probably still

46:44

shaded for most United's aborders.

46:47

Oh yeah, they're miles better than him. I mean, van

46:49

der Sar, different goalkeepers for different

46:51

times I guess. What's interesting about Schmeichel is when you

46:53

watch old United recordings

46:56

back, you see that Schmeichel, I mean I

46:58

kind of remember it from the time too but he made quite a lot

47:00

of mistakes Schmeichel. But he

47:02

just saved you on so many occasions

47:05

that you would accept the mistakes. And

47:07

I think that was I guess probably the goalkeeper United

47:10

needed at that time because if

47:12

you look at the first Fergie team,

47:14

the weakness even though they were good players

47:16

was the defence. Parker Bruce, Pallister,

47:18

Irwin, that wasn't

47:20

as high a level as Ince and Keene in front

47:22

of them say

47:24

or Kanseno and Hughes. And when

47:26

you look at what that team's weak point was and for

47:29

all

47:29

the foreigners were all that stopped that team doing well

47:31

in Europe and also just because they'd come back into

47:33

Europe and football had sneakily progressed

47:36

without the English clubs, the weakness

47:38

of that Fergie team I would say

47:41

was the defence. And then if you

47:43

look at the treble winning team also, the

47:46

weakness of that team wasn't the defence, it was a good defence. It

47:48

was just the way that they attacked meant that they were

47:50

staying man for man at the bat, meant that the goalkeeper

47:52

had quite a lot of work to do. So I think in that team,

47:55

a goalkeeper who was able to do what

47:57

Schmeichel did whilst also reinventing

47:59

how teams can

47:59

counter attack because of how quickly you could get the ball from

48:02

one end to the other was made Michael really

48:04

special. And the thing with Van der Sar was

48:06

Van der Sar played behind what I would say is United's

48:08

greatest ever defence and that defence

48:10

they did. I can't remember that many brilliant

48:12

games Van der Sar had or that many brilliant saves

48:14

Van der Sar made. I remember one really important

48:16

game against for them in

48:18

06-07 where without Van der Sar they

48:20

lose that game. But I can't think of very

48:22

many others at all. But why I also can't

48:24

think of with Van der Sar is very many mistakes. And

48:26

that's what that particular team needed it when it

48:28

had a different defence was so good. And the

48:31

team itself was so good that you just needed

48:33

a goalkeeper who would be solid

48:35

who would control the defence who the defenders felt confident

48:37

playing in front of. And obviously, who,

48:40

who would be able to save Nicholas

48:42

and help his penalty was also quite helpful. But

48:45

just speaking more generally than that, whereas

48:47

the player, the thing with him was we have we

48:49

have loads of loads of amazing saves.

48:51

But you could tell the players the defenders did not

48:53

enjoy playing in front of him because he kept goal like

48:56

a like a table football goalkeeper, he just moved

48:58

side to side on the goal line and try

49:00

and stop stuff with his feet, where he would

49:02

never remember there was a moment in the cup final

49:04

where cross comes in and it's kind of going near post

49:07

and

49:07

he just doesn't come. And it's six

49:09

yard box territory. And in the end, Varan

49:12

has to get rid of it. But

49:14

the goal you could see that the players didn't like playing

49:16

with him. And when we talk about the ability to play with feet,

49:18

that is helpful. And

49:21

it's becoming more and more and more important. But

49:24

a coach once told a friend of mine that in

49:26

order for it to really make a difference ability with

49:28

feet, you've got to be as good as Edison and very

49:31

few people are. But number one, the guy

49:33

who looks like he's coming in Andre and Nana is

49:35

that good. So having an extra man in the build up. But

49:38

also to raise the thing about the

49:40

hair, I think that made the most difference wasn't the fact that

49:42

he couldn't play make from the back. It

49:44

was that he was so deep that the rest

49:46

of the team had to play 10 yards deeper that made

49:48

it harder to work the ball up the pitch. And

49:51

it was more it was more that that you generally

49:53

idea you're trying to condense the play you want

49:56

as little space as possible between the lines and

49:58

having the player meant

49:59

to have much more space in behind than you would

50:02

want and it made it much easier for opponents

50:04

to put balls in behind. So to put

50:06

United under pressure and to stop United building

50:09

pressure. And I think that would be the biggest difference,

50:11

how high the team are able to play once it's a

50:13

non-routing net rather than the fair. Concerning

50:15

news about Edwin van der Sar too last Friday. Thing

50:19

about Peter Schmeichel is he kind

50:21

of made mistakes almost look good. There

50:23

was one against Barnsley, I think at Old Trafford, 1987,

50:25

1988. He goes to Valley. No, he goes to Valley it out.

50:29

It's on the bounce

50:29

and he goes to Valley clear and he totally slices it.

50:32

And Barnsley score from it, but he actually nearly gets back

50:34

in time to stop it. There was something about it, even

50:37

as a charity there. Daniel,

50:39

I was in the shops on Saturday minding

50:42

my own business and I looked over and I

50:44

saw a guy wearing a Manchester United jersey from

50:46

last season with Jones number

50:48

four on the back.

50:50

Now I assumed it was sarcastic or a bet

50:52

or something. His name was Jones maybe. He's another

50:54

player who's gone

50:55

after a long time at the club. Did

50:58

you have high hopes for him

51:00

when he first came in the famous comparison with Duncan

51:02

Edwards? Like is he very unfairly treated

51:04

and maligned because of his unfortunate

51:07

facial expressions when clearing the ball or was

51:09

he actually a good player for you?

51:11

I mean, that's just sort of football culture, isn't

51:13

it? That

51:13

people take the piss out of each other

51:16

and it's very easy to understand why that

51:18

happened to Phil Jones. But yeah, I feel sorry for

51:20

him that his career worked out in the way that it did

51:23

because it looked, I mean United in the first instance,

51:25

they didn't really want to sign him. They were trying to sign Varan and

51:27

Varan went to Madrid. So they signed Jones instead

51:30

and he did start well, but

51:32

like a lot of players, him and

51:34

Welbeck I would say in particular really

51:37

suffered from Fergie retiring.

51:39

But Jones obviously also suffered from injury

51:41

and whilst it's hard to feel too sorry for

51:43

a multimillionaire who's won the title

51:45

playing for Man United, that's not

51:47

bad. I think that we'd all probably take that.

51:50

The frustration, I remember suddenly

51:53

I saw Mario Berrittini was saying the other day,

51:55

the tennis player that he spent just days

51:57

crying in bed because he couldn't compete.

51:59

And not guys like us, we cannot

52:02

understand the frustration that

52:04

it must feel that where you've got these lads who've

52:06

sacrificed, you've sacrificed everything

52:09

to be footballers. And yes, they are handsomely

52:11

rewarded and they have fame and money and a lovely

52:14

life. If you can't compete the

52:17

pain that you must feel the frustration that

52:20

the threat the way that must threaten your mental health to

52:22

just like constantly be rehabbing and

52:25

going into training to rehab and watching the other

52:27

boys be in the other dressing room

52:29

away from you and go out to play and

52:32

go through that constantly over

52:34

and over again, you could understand like

52:37

how much that must hurt. So whilst on the one

52:39

hand, I feel like Phil Jones did pretty well. And

52:41

yeah, I did think he was going to be a better player than

52:43

he turned out to be. He wasn't really able

52:45

to be that much of a better player just because

52:48

of the constant injuries plus all the

52:50

upheaval that was going on around him at United. But the

52:52

last time he played for United, he played that

52:54

one. He played last season, didn't he? You play one game

52:56

and he played well. He wasn't,

52:59

he became a meme or a joke because

53:01

of, as you say, the facial expressions and some unfortunate

53:04

incidents, particularly in Darby's. But

53:06

yeah, Phil Jones could have been a good player

53:08

and he wasn't. But at the same time, he's probably

53:10

had an all right shake of life at the same

53:12

time.

53:14

Daniel, David Beckham, Brian

53:17

Robson, Eric Cantina, George

53:19

Best, Cristiano Ronaldo, Mason

53:22

Mount, all players who have now won the number

53:24

seven jersey for Manchester, I will certainly

53:26

once Mount gets the season underway. What

53:29

do you make of this, this amount signing? And I

53:31

guess how exactly and for whom

53:33

exactly does he fit into this United team?

53:35

I think Mason Mount's a player,

53:37

I guess I've always admired, but never coveted.

53:41

Managers love him because he

53:44

follows instructions. You know what they

53:46

know that if they tell him to do something, he'll understand

53:48

it and he'll do it in the right way.

53:51

I always thought

53:53

the United needed someone instead of Christian

53:55

Ericsson because

53:57

Ericsson's lack of physical ability.

53:59

whether strength or speed or

54:02

power was hampering the ability to

54:04

control games. Erickson still would be

54:06

good next season. Someone you'd bring on

54:08

with 20 minutes to go in games you're trying to see out and

54:10

keep the ball. He's also someone you would

54:12

think would be good when against

54:15

teams who are defending deep. So worse

54:17

teams at home. But I

54:19

would have probably gone for a different kind of player to

54:21

mason mount because I don't want a situation

54:24

where a knock to Casamiro or a suspension

54:27

to Casamiro means that you're back to the

54:29

same old. You don't have a player for that. And although

54:31

it does seem that United are trying

54:34

to sell enough players to sign Sofia and Amrabbat

54:36

a bit later in the transfer window, I think

54:38

I would have gone for the best possible

54:40

player I could get who could play either

54:43

with Casamiro or instead of Casamiro.

54:45

And for that I would have wanted someone with a bit more

54:47

physical power who was a bit more of a ball carrier.

54:50

But

54:51

I can totally understand

54:53

that mason mount is someone with a good

54:55

temperament who's shown he can perform in our

54:58

league, who can perform in big games,

55:01

who is excellent at dead balls, who

55:03

has a good range of passing, who can score goals,

55:06

all of those things. I just think that the

55:08

player that I was personally looking for would

55:11

have been someone who is a bit

55:13

more physical as well. And also

55:16

I think I wonder if mason mount

55:18

is quite good enough. As in he's

55:22

a high level player, is he as good a player

55:24

as the best players in the team? I don't think so.

55:27

And I felt like United needed another team of that standard.

55:29

But he's 24 and Tenha

55:32

obviously thinks he can improve him. So

55:34

I'm excited to see how he does. Who else

55:36

should Erichtenhag sign this summer or

55:39

more to the point what position should he prioritize?

55:42

Well, it looks like mason mount has obviously

55:44

been signed. It looks like a Nana is going to

55:46

happen. So that's the goalkeeper sorted. The

55:48

center forward situation, it actually

55:51

feels like I bulk at saying this a

55:53

little bit. So I understand this, I'm about

55:55

to make myself sound ridiculous. So feel

55:58

free to come back to me later on if I do.

55:59

do, but it feels like there's some actual competence

56:02

being practiced here in that

56:04

they're going one at a time. So they

56:06

identified Mason Mount,

56:08

they waited until they knew

56:10

that they weren't going to get a better price than the price

56:12

that they had having pretended that they were going to go

56:15

away. And then they signed him. And

56:17

they're now here to be doing that with a number that

56:19

they've decided he's the goalkeeper, it feels

56:22

like they're obviously going to sign him, they're just trying

56:24

to make sure that they don't get rinsed over the

56:26

month over the price. And when they signed on

56:28

Nana, it looks like they're going to move on and

56:30

sign Huyland, who by most accounts,

56:33

they have signed up a deal for some. I

56:35

mean, Huyland is a difficult one

56:37

in that they want a centre forward who's ready

56:39

to go now. There

56:41

aren't very many centre forwards in world football,

56:43

who are ready to go now who will be worth the kind of

56:45

money that you would have to pay for them. So they're

56:48

trying to identify the next the

56:50

next big thing, it may or may not be Huyland,

56:52

I haven't seen very much of him. But I like

56:55

his movement is obviously extremely quick.

56:57

And one of the things I like about him is

56:59

also he makes is that is the runs

57:02

in behind because Bruno Fernandez,

57:04

I think was top of the top of the league

57:06

for expected assists, but nowhere near

57:08

for actual assists, because he hasn't played

57:10

with anyone, he's able to finish well. And

57:13

if you stick almost any kind of striker

57:15

in that position, who can hold the ball up

57:17

and make runs in behind, you should get another 10

57:19

to 15 goals. And that make a very significant

57:21

difference to United. And my guess is those three

57:23

will be the three that United signed to begin with.

57:27

I wouldn't be surprised if they were if

57:29

they were able to get Harry Kane if they had money

57:31

to get Harry Kane,

57:32

just for particularly that player.

57:35

But otherwise, I imagine that they'll

57:37

sell who they can and who they buy

57:39

will then depend on that. But it looks like the

57:41

physical midfielder I just talked about they want

57:43

to be Sofia Namrabbat. And he

57:45

will be the next player that gets signed once

57:48

they've sold say Dean Henderson and Harry

57:50

McGuire and Fred or whoever it is, however much

57:52

they need to however many players they need to sell

57:54

to get the next player. And I would imagine after

57:57

Amrabbat the next player would be a right

57:59

bat. There is quite a lot of

58:01

money in that squad. If you think about players

58:04

who they don't want, Fred, McTominay,

58:07

if they got a good price for him, they sell. Maguire,

58:09

Van der Baek,

58:10

Alanger,

58:12

Henderson.

58:13

Henderson, they're going to get 20 million quid for. But

58:15

even the other players, if you've got five million quid each

58:17

for all of those, that's again another player

58:20

and it won't be five million each. So I think

58:23

that United should be able,

58:25

if they continue this apparent competence

58:28

to sign the player that they've made

58:30

some amount.

58:31

Heuijlinden,

58:33

Heuijlinden and Nannay looks

58:35

like are going to happen. And then I would expect

58:38

that if they sell properly, they should be able to get two

58:40

more players after that. And at that point,

58:42

it will be area 10 half steam. Yeah. And

58:44

there'll be no excuses. Not that we've got excuses

58:47

for him last season, but I don't

58:49

know if we can expect a title challenge next

58:51

season, but we can expect some improvement

58:53

and definitely a title challenge the season

58:55

after that. But otherwise, you just

58:57

don't know, because I think for United to challenge

59:00

the title next season, they'll need Heulen

59:02

to step up at another level

59:04

or two. I've no idea if he's

59:06

capable of doing that. But

59:09

they should be much better anyway, because Garnachio

59:11

is going to be much better next season. So even if Heulen

59:14

needs a season to acclimatise, you're going

59:16

to have Garnachio a year older on the left, which means

59:18

you can play Rashford through the middle. And just in

59:20

terms of having Mount,

59:21

you're going to have more of the ball. So

59:24

you would expect to be able to be more dynamic

59:26

in attack and more unpredictable in attack than

59:28

before. Yeah, we'll keep an eye on the United transfer situation.

59:31

11 p.m. Friday, September 1st is when the deadline ends.

59:34

Daniel, great stuff as always. Thanks so many for joining us.

59:37

See you in a bit. Bye, bro. Pretty stuff Daniel Harris

59:39

there on the line. 8.30 a.m. on this Tuesday morning's

59:41

O2B a.m. The Sports Breakfast Show from

59:43

off the ball. Myself and Colin Boohig with you through until 10 o'clock

59:46

this morning. Delighted to say, Jenny Claffey joins

59:48

us in studio now as well. Morning, Jenny. Good morning, guys.

59:50

How are we? Hey, hello. Keep it wild. Hello. I'm

59:52

here. I'm here in rumors left, right and center

59:54

of these challenges. Challenges

59:57

between I don't know who's involved here. I don't know

59:59

what's involved.

59:59

What what sports even play is

1:00:02

a paddle is a tennis the challenge is clear

1:00:04

and direct right? I understand

1:00:06

it So for people who are just tuning

1:00:08

in yeah,

1:00:09

Jenny here represented Ireland that the European games

1:00:11

and paddle You know incredible incredible

1:00:13

talent. Yeah transfer from tennis to paddle so

1:00:16

agent Barry totally separately Mentioned

1:00:19

the idea of him and I playing paddle then

1:00:21

Jenny told us you have to pay doubles So Jenny's

1:00:23

gonna play with me an agent plus another

1:00:26

now actually already put up her hand Shane Hannon

1:00:28

has put up his hand Well Jenny can also recruit

1:00:31

her friends, but they'll be too good. That's one time

1:00:33

I'll make it more fair though because then Jenny a fairer

1:00:36

Jenny Jenny and her mate can go on

1:00:38

Besides I'll be with Jenny and there's a good

1:00:40

player Might

1:00:43

be very good friend Susan can be with them

1:00:45

Adrian this is your doubles partner. Did

1:00:48

you see column is just he himself up there to be on the winning

1:00:50

side? Yeah, right. Well,

1:00:52

this is gonna be Jenny versus column. I

1:00:54

can't believe we're sitting beside her here So that's

1:00:56

how you got one challenge and then the other one was

1:00:58

straight-up tennis one-on-one I thought

1:01:01

I thought the whole idea of all these challenges was you

1:01:03

taking on Jenny and a challenge It wasn't

1:01:05

you getting to play with the international athlete

1:01:08

like what's the fun in that? I thought there's

1:01:10

one of two challenges that we all love to play football with

1:01:12

Leona Messi on our team, wouldn't we? But like you just

1:01:14

called you I'll take that Walk

1:01:17

away now if I was you you haven't seen me play football That's

1:01:20

one challenge and then the other one as Emma

1:01:23

Carol has just said to us here Yeah live doc. No,

1:01:25

no, no, no

1:01:26

the Friday chat was about tennis or

1:01:28

one-on-one with Jenny you taking on Jenny tennis

1:01:30

Yeah, what's the point of that? Well,

1:01:33

what's the point in you? There's

1:01:36

a reason I said the Jenny if I could win

1:01:38

one point off you

1:01:40

one point it's a big deal, right? So anyway, there

1:01:42

was a gathering on Friday. Yeah

1:01:43

for Kathy McNamee who was watching at the moment

1:01:46

in Brisbane having her dinner Morning, Kathy.

1:01:48

Good afternoon. You arrived. Well Shane,

1:01:50

of course you weren't there because you to a bleep test But I don't believe

1:01:53

and then we in this gathering we

1:01:55

talked about playing Jenny in tennis. Yeah

1:01:58

We sent her a voice note click

1:01:59

This was the whole point. Jenny

1:02:02

Claffey responded. I

1:02:04

believe we have it.

1:02:05

Oh, right. I

1:02:08

think you guys need to decide when you're ready to take

1:02:10

on the challenge, because I think you might need a bit more than

1:02:12

four weeks, as Ashleigh mentioned there. But let's

1:02:14

get it done beforehand. I love your confidence, but

1:02:17

you haven't got a hope.

1:02:18

You haven't got a hope. Yeah, you're

1:02:20

going to be happy to put my money where my life is. She's

1:02:23

a former professional tennis player. So Jess Kelly,

1:02:26

who was going to be on the show in a while this morning,

1:02:28

has offered to actually sponsor

1:02:31

the event, and it could be for charity. So we can actually

1:02:33

do this. This would be great idea. Tennis or the paddle?

1:02:35

Both.

1:02:35

Preferably the

1:02:38

tennis, because Jess wants to see Jenny hammer

1:02:40

me, so that's why she's going to charge. Am I involved

1:02:42

in this or not involved? Am I watching from the side? I'll happily watch it from the side. I'll

1:02:44

be the umpire. I'll be the umpire for the umpire.

1:02:45

If you clarify, I thought you said a game. Jess, I'm

1:02:47

not backing out, but I did think you said a game

1:02:50

on text, not a point. No,

1:02:52

no, I can't win a game against you. I'm pretty sure it was a

1:02:54

game. No, of course you can win a point. It could, it could. No,

1:02:57

no, no, no, no, no. I have to

1:02:59

win a proactive point. So unforced therapy

1:03:01

is not good. You have to beat me in a point. Yeah, exactly.

1:03:03

That's different. I'm not sure it was a game, though. Definitely

1:03:06

primarily. That game is insane. You'd have to troll it. Right, so if Jenny

1:03:08

hits long, it doesn't count.

1:03:09

No, no, I have to proactively win the buy to hit a winner. It's a winner. Yeah,

1:03:12

exactly. The winner. RNAs. OK, I'll take that.

1:03:14

On return, service also fine. Do you think

1:03:16

you'd have a chance of, even in one set, do

1:03:19

you think you'd have a chance of getting a winner?

1:03:21

Well, you're... I don't know if you ever played before. This is another

1:03:23

thing as well. I'd

1:03:27

be fine.

1:03:28

I love this. I

1:03:31

might be sorry down the line. All right, just loads

1:03:33

of actual tennis talk about, but this

1:03:35

anyway is the exciting one. We just couldn't keep it to ourselves.

1:03:37

Well, I think Ryan is injured at the moment as well. She has to

1:03:39

recover another month away, I think she said. That gives him another month

1:03:41

of practice. Yeah, I actually do need to practice. I

1:03:44

actually do need to practice. Yeah, this is hilarious. It's

1:03:46

going to be embarrassing, Clomyn.

1:03:47

Now, I might play left-handed or right-handed. I think you can play what

1:03:49

you want. Like, it doesn't matter. I'll win the point. Ryan, you're

1:03:51

still looking over here. Two hands. Jesus.

1:03:55

The tennis itself, enjeburs

1:03:57

run. I always... Anytime I see the name pop

1:03:59

up, I'm like...

1:04:00

was. Jan Whoopi Dings… What's

1:04:03

it about? What's it about… You beat

1:04:05

her 6 loves 6 loves 6 loves 6 loves 2 times revved stand

1:04:07

finalist

1:04:08

Yeah Did you think she had something special even

1:04:10

that day when you were hammering her?

1:04:11

Yeah, she was very good back then Sorry,

1:04:13

she was only about, I was 18, she

1:04:16

was 16 oh I was 19 maybe,

1:04:18

and she had played the junior French

1:04:20

Open only a few weeks before

1:04:22

and had won it Right And then this

1:04:24

was playing, she was playing for Tunisia and I was playing for Ireland

1:04:27

that was in Fed Cup Mmm They

1:04:29

had won the tie 2-0 and that was the

1:04:31

third match But

1:04:33

yeah, still without being beat her I

1:04:35

love it, the confidence Yeah She's

1:04:38

flying in this tournament but like at

1:04:41

least the women's draw feels a little bit more open In

1:04:43

which direction do you think it's headed at the moment?

1:04:45

I think it's actually great to see in the women's draw that the last

1:04:47

eight we still have the top four seeds Yeah You

1:04:50

know, this is the first time I think in long-winded over

1:04:52

ten years away over ten years I think that we've had the

1:04:54

top four seeds Which is kind of a sign of the

1:04:56

women's game at the moment We talked about that last week briefly

1:04:58

about how we now have the kind of the top

1:05:01

three with Yeah With Chiantec, Sabalenka

1:05:03

and Ribakina So it is good to see them in their righteous

1:05:06

places at this stage I do see those

1:05:08

top three still

1:05:10

progressing now to the semi-finals after today's

1:05:12

I

1:05:12

can't wait for the second quarter-final

1:05:14

today, Iga Chiantec against Alina Svetlina Because

1:05:16

I was texting you Sunday night those two matches

1:05:19

back to back were incredible Chiantec saving two

1:05:21

match points and the second set it was going to be a straight set to defeat

1:05:23

against Blinda Benchich And Chiantec

1:05:26

despite her dominance on clay and she's four grand

1:05:28

slam titles already This is the furthest she's ever gone in

1:05:30

Wimbledon to a quarter-final which is hard to believe She

1:05:32

just hasn't transitioned to grass as well Then on the

1:05:34

other side, Svetlina against Azarenka

1:05:36

Sunday night The atmosphere Oh my god

1:05:39

Yeah Does Svetlina have the game to trouble

1:05:41

Chiantec even if it is on

1:05:42

Chiantec's least preferred surface? I

1:05:45

think that Svetlina with everything

1:05:47

that goes with Svetlina at the moment How there's

1:05:49

this hype obviously around she's come back only

1:05:51

just after having a baby nine months ago She's

1:05:54

unbelievably

1:05:57

standing strong in obviously the defense of the

1:05:59

war

1:05:59

Ukraine and that's really driving her.

1:06:02

She kind of put it down, tested

1:06:04

a lot for success in the last few weeks to

1:06:06

like this drive for playing for her country and

1:06:08

representing her country. And then I think

1:06:10

that that's carrying her that momentum as well and she's obviously

1:06:13

come in some good form since Roland Garros but I'm not

1:06:15

sure against Chiantic. I think she'll push her but I'm not

1:06:17

sure that Chiantic will, I think Chiantic

1:06:19

will come through that match. Maybe in two

1:06:21

close sets.

1:06:22

But do you think Chiantic will

1:06:24

win the whole thing? I

1:06:26

think she'll get to the final. I

1:06:29

said I was kind of confident that she would win it and then you

1:06:31

know, Rebecca Keenan is doing better than

1:06:33

I thought she was going to. I think Rebecca

1:06:35

will retain it. She saw a dominant on grass. You

1:06:38

see coming into him then she obviously she had that fire so

1:06:40

she withdrew from Roland Garros and drew from another. So

1:06:42

we weren't really sure where she was but I think she looks like she's in good

1:06:44

form. Chiantic doesn't look bad and I do

1:06:46

like in bad form but I do think that match against

1:06:49

Ben Chit will definitely improve

1:06:51

her intensity now coming into this match. Those

1:06:53

kind of tight matches really switch you on and

1:06:55

she really is going to focus now and obviously

1:06:58

that will give her confidence.

1:06:58

If you're Azarenka walking

1:07:01

off the court someday night and you get booed

1:07:03

like that, are you also reacting

1:07:06

the way she did? I thought she was quite restrained even though

1:07:08

she did jester towards the crowd but it was unbelievable

1:07:11

that she got booed. That was bad,

1:07:12

really bad. Yeah, the

1:07:14

WTA released a statement there today

1:07:16

or was it this morning about that

1:07:19

the players are just remaining

1:07:22

clear on the stance that the Ukrainian

1:07:24

players are not going to shake hands with Russian by Russian

1:07:26

players. So it

1:07:27

took an effort to stop this booing because

1:07:29

it is really really poor. What a sour taste

1:07:32

walking off that match losing in a third set

1:07:34

tiebreaker and after

1:07:37

the match she didn't go up to shake her hand. She

1:07:39

gave her the gesture. It was such a tough loss. Nobody wants to do it

1:07:44

anyway. But then to show in

1:07:46

that moment to Azarenka, I think she's showing

1:07:48

her class by still giving

1:07:50

her the credit and then gets booed anyway. It was pure ignorance

1:07:52

from the crowd. So they assumed she's

1:07:55

lost an extremely tight match. She doesn't

1:07:57

want to shake her opponent's hand because she lost. She

1:07:59

did a casual

1:07:59

comes up, but it's like if the crowd are paying attention, Azranka

1:08:02

actually helps Vitalina to make it less awkward.

1:08:05

Yeah. To be like, this is what I'm doing. So,

1:08:07

Vitalina wants, or did she come out afterwards and say, I want

1:08:09

Wimbledon to actually make an announcement to let the crowd

1:08:11

know of the politics and why she's

1:08:13

right? Yeah, I think, and that is the hand they're

1:08:15

not going to do. They need to do that.

1:08:17

I think the WTA did

1:08:19

it instead, so not Wimbledon. So, they're the

1:08:21

governing body of the game. I think it was the WTA who

1:08:23

did come out with a statement, kind of just to say, look,

1:08:25

this is the stance and you need to be able to try and respect

1:08:28

the players. It's a very

1:08:30

tricky situation for everyone involved, like

1:08:32

for those players. But I think the least the

1:08:34

crowd could do is... They need to settle for the microphone

1:08:36

at the time. That's what needs to happen. Because people

1:08:38

in, like, because then everyone in the crowd knows

1:08:40

what... Yeah, but how do you word that? I mean, that's also

1:08:43

difficult to do it live. Like, I

1:08:45

do think that, like you say, that they should have made

1:08:47

it clear, but it's very difficult for the umpire. The

1:08:50

umpire can't be like, as the match is over, they're walking

1:08:52

up, like, there won't be a handshake. There won't

1:08:54

be a handshake. Yeah, exactly. But, look,

1:08:56

aside from the bullying, the atmosphere was absolutely

1:08:58

incredible at the end of that game. And

1:09:01

I think it actually increased the standard

1:09:03

of both players as

1:09:04

well. Like the

1:09:06

power of the groundstrokes, phenomenal

1:09:08

at the end of that game.

1:09:09

Two real hard-hitting players, like, and

1:09:11

two champions, like real champions. I

1:09:13

know Azarenka has won Grand Slams, but Soudina

1:09:16

has only got as far as semi-final. But she is an Olympic

1:09:18

gold medalist or silver medalist. Like, she's

1:09:20

been at these stages before, but I just think

1:09:23

there's just an amazing electric atmosphere

1:09:26

under the stadium. And both players

1:09:28

rise... I think they're playing their best tennis. Yeah. I

1:09:31

do think that was probably one of the best women's matches that we've seen

1:09:33

this year, other than maybe the Australian Open final this year.

1:09:35

There's

1:09:35

nothing like it. And Central Court, when both players are

1:09:37

playing phenomenal and the crowd are into it, the atmosphere,

1:09:39

it's like you can actually feed it through the television match thing,

1:09:41

like the spine thing. That's what motivates

1:09:43

people to play tennis. Yeah, I can tell the glory. I think those

1:09:45

kind of matches, yeah. I think Chris, for you Banks, story,

1:09:48

is this the story of Wimbledon so far?

1:09:50

I think he's definitely in the limelight.

1:09:52

Oh, it has to be the story of Wimbledon. No, it is.

1:09:55

No, he's amazing. Like, kind of a journeyman. You

1:09:57

know, he's been out of it for a good few years, and then this is...

1:09:59

breakthrough. He has shown signs before

1:10:02

before women than just earlier on this year,

1:10:04

kind of in in March when he broke the

1:10:06

top 100. And finally, after

1:10:08

like five years of trying and potentially

1:10:11

giving up his career there after Covid. So it's really

1:10:13

great to see, you know, a great personality.

1:10:16

He's got great presence and he's got one hell of

1:10:18

a serve.

1:10:19

Oh, he's ridiculous. He but

1:10:21

it's 27 years of age as well. He said, yeah, it's a phenomenal

1:10:23

achievement to beat the 57 city

1:10:26

paths who not to manage, but,

1:10:28

you know, comfortably beat Andy Murray in part

1:10:30

two of their match last Friday, pointing

1:10:32

and he was set to be the first ever Greek

1:10:35

to reach the quarter finals of women. And that must

1:10:37

have played in his mind. But you back such

1:10:39

a like Shane and then you like you've alluded

1:10:41

to it there. But like what a story. Only took up the game

1:10:43

professionally five years ago, went to Georgia Tech

1:10:46

as a business degree and to supplement

1:10:48

his income when he was like I said, the top 200.

1:10:51

He was commentating on the tennis channel. So that's

1:10:53

why he's such a good talker. But he said, like,

1:10:55

what's really interesting about him is he said the commentary

1:10:57

actually helped him improve his game. So

1:11:00

he was analyzing players much better. And

1:11:02

there he is on screen there for people who haven't seen him so far. But

1:11:05

like, like so likable in every way. And

1:11:07

also a month ago, he hated grass. So

1:11:09

it was a bit of a stupid, stupid. He's

1:11:12

great friends with Kim Klysters, former

1:11:14

multiple grand champion who said like, no,

1:11:16

no, you should love grass. You have the game for it. Your serve

1:11:18

is brilliant.

1:11:19

And it was a footwork he needed to move

1:11:21

on. So she was saying you were planting your right foot

1:11:23

and on grass. Maybe you can say more

1:11:25

on this. On grass, you need to tiptoe around a bit

1:11:27

more and be a bit looser.

1:11:28

OK, so I didn't hear that part that

1:11:30

he was what he was. He was he was too

1:11:33

static receiving. OK, on over returned serve

1:11:35

movement.

1:11:35

OK, yeah, I did hear that he text

1:11:38

Klysters a month ago to be like, how do I play on

1:11:40

grass? You know, and then she was coming,

1:11:42

as you said, they're like, tell them he's got a big serve

1:11:44

that it should suit his game. And then progressively he

1:11:46

won his first ATB title in New

1:11:48

York on grass. And then obviously,

1:11:50

as we've seen, he's doing very well. Yeah,

1:11:53

she's saying she's not taking any credit

1:11:54

for it obviously, because he has to do it out there,

1:11:56

but she must have given him a few tips. But

1:11:59

on the grass, you have. to be so slight a foot obviously

1:12:01

because you have to be so quick around the court

1:12:03

because the ball is moving much faster, you don't

1:12:05

have as much time and he's 6 foot 7, he's so tall

1:12:08

so he has to stay lower to the ground as well.

1:12:10

What was your favourite surface playing? Of

1:12:13

course. Hard course. Yeah I liked

1:12:15

hard because you were still able to play powerfully and

1:12:17

I could dictate with my forehand and

1:12:19

you were able to move around like the rallies weren't as fast

1:12:21

as grass and then not as slow as clay so if you

1:12:23

put me on a clay court I wouldn't be the most comfortable.

1:12:26

Really? Yeah, I'm a bit of a defensive tennis so

1:12:28

on the clay court you kind of get drawn into a

1:12:30

bit more of it. The rallies are longer so it's not

1:12:32

defensive but the rallies are much longer, it's harder to put a winner

1:12:35

away. Having

1:12:35

been on the circuit yourself, can you talk

1:12:37

us through what you would imagine the journey

1:12:40

of Eubanks of Beast with the last five years really

1:12:42

struggling and you've already alluded to it that he was nearly going

1:12:44

to walk away from the game because he was struggling so much. He

1:12:46

obviously has the talent, he saw it even in the forehand winner

1:12:48

to beat Sitsipas yesterday so there's

1:12:51

so many people with so much talent out there, can

1:12:53

you just take us through the actual

1:12:55

struggle of being a day-to-day tennis player outside

1:12:58

of the two weeks of a grand slam where everyone's watching?

1:13:00

Yeah, I think if you look at Eubanks' case,

1:13:03

when you're at that stage where he's trying to break

1:13:05

the top 200 then he's trying to break the

1:13:07

top 100, it's almost he identifies with

1:13:10

then he is just a guy who's always going to

1:13:12

be qualities of the grand slams or it's

1:13:14

hard to break that break in

1:13:16

and if you look at his record, he's played I

1:13:19

think something like five times he played in

1:13:21

the qualifying rounds in the French Open

1:13:23

before he finally got in, six years later, that's some

1:13:25

perseverance he's had but I wonder,

1:13:28

it's the belief now that once

1:13:30

he's gotten his break through into top 100 this year that

1:13:32

he can be amongst these guys and

1:13:35

he belongs there and now you can just

1:13:37

see his improvements,

1:13:39

he's in the top 40 now, there's a

1:13:42

confidence about him and an oar about him that he may

1:13:44

not have had while he was trying to break that

1:13:46

top 100 or that belief, there's always going to be that doubt there

1:13:48

if you're on the periphery and you can't get

1:13:50

in five years, Alex, do you know,

1:13:53

that's heartbreaking stuff and fair play to

1:13:55

him because some of these guys just need that

1:13:57

chance.

1:13:58

Alex Well, sorry, stupid question, Alex. Why

1:14:01

is, because to an untrained

1:14:03

I would think hard court is faster than grass, but

1:14:06

you're saying grass is faster than hard

1:14:09

court? Why is that? With

1:14:11

the way it skips off it. Yeah, if you

1:14:13

think of grass outside, the ball doesn't bounce high

1:14:16

on it, whereas on a hard court the ball

1:14:18

will kind of slightly take some of the grip

1:14:20

of the ground, the ball will bounce up higher. Same

1:14:22

on clay, like if the ball hit the grit, the grit absorbs

1:14:25

a little bit of the ball and then bounces quite high, whereas

1:14:27

on the grass it's just kind of penetrating through. They're a little bit

1:14:29

slower on autographs than they used to be. That's why we're

1:14:31

seeing a little bit less serve volume.

1:14:32

I probably don't have time to get to the Alkraz-Barrattini

1:14:35

match too much. I thought the start of the second set

1:14:37

yesterday was the most phenomenal tennis I'd seen in

1:14:39

a while. And like the score line actually betrays the

1:14:41

quality of the tennis because it looked like a straightforward four sets

1:14:44

win for Alkraz. Yeah. It looked fantastic. But

1:14:46

I was onto yesterday with a chat when we were watching it. And

1:14:49

just for kind of a snapshot for people who are watching this as

1:14:51

casual viewers, who and the remaining

1:14:53

players left in the draw, strongest forehand,

1:14:56

backhand serve, who should we watch out for?

1:14:58

On women's side, I'd look for Rebecca Knapp

1:15:00

for the serve. I think she's

1:15:02

got a really, really good serve on the women's side.

1:15:05

Very solid, very accurate backhand.

1:15:07

I'm going to go women first. Women's, she

1:15:10

on deck, her backhand is definitely one of the best on

1:15:12

the tour. She's able to flatten it out and play with a

1:15:14

little heavy spin and

1:15:16

Savilenka with the forehand, I think, just with

1:15:18

the sheer power that she can get on it. When she's

1:15:21

on, that forehand is firing. Yeah. Then we go to

1:15:23

the men's side and it's kind of hard to look past

1:15:25

Djokovic on all three. Yeah. Just

1:15:27

in terms of his serve,

1:15:28

it's the... It's underrated, is it? Yeah. It's

1:15:30

the placement and the accuracy instead

1:15:33

of necessarily the power. He's just so accurate

1:15:35

with it. And in those clutch points like Loew 15

1:15:38

or 30-0, he always seems to come up with the serve.

1:15:40

But then looking at Alkraz,

1:15:41

I'd like to... Looking at forehand, sorry, I'd

1:15:43

like to look at Alkraz's forehand. I think he's got such

1:15:45

variety on his forehand. Yes.

1:15:48

That he probably, longer

1:15:50

term, he's going to have a better forehand than Djokovic.

1:15:52

Is there anyone in the remaining draw on the men's side who has

1:15:54

a better groundstroke than Djokovic?

1:15:57

Or some shot at

1:15:59

him...

1:15:59

superior. Yeah, I think Alkraj's

1:16:02

drop shots are just crazy.

1:16:04

He can play them from anywhere and off any kind

1:16:06

of a ball. And yeah, I'd

1:16:09

say maybe drop shots, but Jokovic

1:16:11

is very good at those as well. But I think Alkraj's probably would

1:16:13

trump that and the variety he seems to have. I

1:16:15

think we will see in the next few years, we'll really

1:16:17

will trump the actual game style

1:16:20

that Jokovic plays. We'll just see so much

1:16:22

more variety and spice to Alkraj's game.

1:16:24

Before that, just asking about the Jokovic

1:16:26

comments on the obviously the curfew

1:16:28

has stopped a lot of matches at the

1:16:30

peak and happened with Murray Sitt's pass here tonight

1:16:32

as well. Jokovic was saying he wants the games

1:16:35

to maybe start earlier. He plays on to Rublev in the quarter

1:16:37

finals today and his previous

1:16:39

match against Herbert Hukai shows over two

1:16:41

days. So play starts at one o'clock

1:16:43

on court one, half one on centre and then

1:16:45

you have that 11pm curfew. Jokovic

1:16:48

saying they could start maybe at 12 noon, so an hour

1:16:50

earlier possibly. He says he spent seven

1:16:52

hours waiting for his fourth round match to

1:16:54

start because those earlier matches ran

1:16:56

long and at the opposite issue when

1:16:59

the match resumed for a fourth set on Monday, the

1:17:01

previous tie had finished really quickly due

1:17:04

to an injury. So

1:17:05

does he have a point? Should it maybe start

1:17:07

earlier? Should we get rid of the curfew? I guess that's an

1:17:09

issue for Wimbledon.

1:17:10

I think

1:17:12

it's always to do with the media and the broadcasters

1:17:15

and money. It's money in those situations. Wimbledon

1:17:18

said they're not starting to 1.30 due to broadcasting

1:17:21

issues. But I do think for the players

1:17:24

the matches should be brought back earlier. I think 12 o'clock is

1:17:26

fairly reasonable because stopping in

1:17:28

the middle of a match, like for example Sitzypasta and Murray,

1:17:30

I think Murray could have beaten Sitzypasta in the evening if

1:17:32

it wasn't finished

1:17:34

because of that curfew. And then Jokovic,

1:17:38

her catch, maybe Jokovic would have

1:17:40

won in three sets, but then it would end up

1:17:42

in four. So it does shift the momentum big

1:17:44

time and it gives the players a chance to rest and

1:17:46

then go back and talk to their coaches and reassess

1:17:49

and change their tactics if there needs to be. But I just

1:17:51

think from a fairness on the players

1:17:53

it would be better if they both have started to

1:17:56

stop this issue happening.

1:17:57

Would make sense.

1:17:59

Thanks for having in. Thanks for being here guys. Again

1:18:02

very shortly on Wimbledon as it comes to a close

1:18:04

this weekend. We're in Santa. Yep. Yeah,

1:18:06

this one. Great stuff. Jenny Claffey there with us

1:18:08

at 8 48 a.m. on this Tuesday morning's OTBM,

1:18:11

the sports breakfast showing off the ball with myself and Colin

1:18:13

through until 10 o'clock. Still loads to come. Jess Kelly talking

1:18:15

Hawkeye, Willow Callahan's hurling power rankings as

1:18:17

well, and then a half past nine at

1:18:20

Rureo Canopy with us. But John Duggan is in

1:18:22

studio. Good morning, John. Morning folks. How are we doing? Keeping

1:18:24

well, keeping well. You got the championship haircut, John? Is it?

1:18:27

Am I right in saying that? I don't

1:18:28

know if it's that. It's more the necessity

1:18:30

for a haircut. The necessity for a haircut. That doesn't really

1:18:32

have any links to the concluding

1:18:34

stages of the G.A. Championship, but I appreciate the observation

1:18:38

of the hair. The acknowledgement of the hair.

1:18:40

John Duggan had a mad look there two weeks ago in the office, had

1:18:42

the sideburns and the hair down, and I literally stopped in my tracks

1:18:44

in the office. I was like, that's a great look for you. It is, yeah. A

1:18:47

little bit of a stop it as well. Yeah. And it's

1:18:49

been a straight on Wathan. And now it's all Vietnam

1:18:51

style now. We're off to Vietnam next week to fight.

1:18:54

Yeah. So the full metal jacket is... is

1:18:58

being invoked. Yeah. So sometimes

1:19:00

it's good to

1:19:02

clean your stuff up and go

1:19:04

again. Look good, feel good, play good. You were

1:19:06

in Crow Park as a double-header

1:19:08

yourself, John, on the weekend, both games. Yeah.

1:19:11

It's funny kind of because you're not... It's a strange job

1:19:13

because you're not known, but

1:19:15

you're not anonymous either. So you do get

1:19:17

people come up to you, oh, you're off the ball. Look,

1:19:19

Farkel has at it. Yeah. Well, that's a

1:19:21

terrible accent, isn't it? Keep

1:19:23

up with the great work and there's lovely people out there. I've

1:19:26

never... when I've ever met anybody, never got a negative comment

1:19:28

from anybody. So I always appreciate

1:19:30

people when they say hello. The negative ones

1:19:33

are saved for Twitter. Or YouTube

1:19:35

commenters. Or YouTube commenters. The minority

1:19:37

of... and obviously there's lots of lovely YouTube commentators.

1:19:40

Just look, we're just trying to do a job here. And the

1:19:42

people that you do meet

1:19:44

that do recognise you are always really,

1:19:46

really sound. And, you know, anybody that

1:19:48

I've ever met has always been just sound

1:19:51

and wanted to just talk about the game. The

1:19:53

Galway Limerick game and

1:19:57

Limerick have an ability to move

1:19:59

the ball.

1:19:59

slitter better than anybody else I think I've ever

1:20:02

seen in a hurting context. And

1:20:04

once they found their rhythm in the second quarter

1:20:07

into the third quarter of that game against Galway, they

1:20:09

just moved the ball like Manchester City or Liverpool

1:20:11

would move the football.

1:20:13

And that's years in an academy that is

1:20:15

just, it's just so, metronomic. It

1:20:18

is instinctive and Galway no answer to

1:20:20

it.

1:20:20

Limerick played with an aggression especially, like Seamus Flanagan

1:20:23

was getting in the Galway faces. Galway

1:20:25

played so well in that first half but they just couldn't keep it going

1:20:28

and their puck track strategy failed in the

1:20:30

second half and Limerick just found

1:20:32

that extra gear and when they got into full

1:20:35

flow they were unstoppable. And I think

1:20:37

Kilkenny will find it very difficult against them

1:20:39

because Kilkenny used all

1:20:41

of their

1:20:42

brilliance to

1:20:45

edge Claire because Kilkenny or the county in

1:20:47

Getta games has been able to get the most out of itself more

1:20:50

than any other county in terms of talent

1:20:52

and just squeezing the best out of itself.

1:20:54

And Claire played with a bit more romance

1:20:57

this year but romance doesn't win matches and

1:21:00

once Claire went

1:21:03

two points in front they gave away the softest of goals.

1:21:05

Probably the most soft goal I've seen since Dunne goal Kerry 2014

1:21:08

when Kilkenny just saw it

1:21:11

out and Kilkenny will put it up to Limerick

1:21:14

but the worry for Kilkenny is that in that third

1:21:16

quarter they were swamped by Claire who went

1:21:18

direct and if Limerick will direct with Aaron

1:21:21

Galan in the form that he's in this year I can

1:21:23

only see a four in a row outcome for this. So

1:21:25

much happened over the weekend Johnny of TJ Reid taking

1:21:28

the record for the most number of points, Kyle Hamanian's

1:21:30

great goal, Shane O'Donough's unbelievable finish top

1:21:32

corner but everything is trumped by

1:21:35

Owen Murphy's save. For you where does it rank?

1:21:38

It ranks up there, it ranks up there,

1:21:40

the instinctive nature of it. It's

1:21:42

funny because in the other game a ball hit the

1:21:45

top of the bar, came down to Galan and it went in.

1:21:48

Galan finished it to the net but in

1:21:50

the moment when the game is on the line and I

1:21:52

think in extra time Claire could have got momentum to

1:21:54

swing it the other way again. So it's up

1:21:56

there. There's always a recency bias to these things where

1:21:58

you say oh that's a good thing.

1:21:59

greatest thing I've ever seen and we're all guilty of that myself

1:22:02

included. The best save I ever personally saw

1:22:04

at Croke Park was 1997. Claire

1:22:06

had just got a point up against Tipperary in the final.

1:22:09

John Lahy was through one of the best forwards in

1:22:11

the history of the game and David Fitzgerald saved

1:22:13

it a certain goal and that won the All-Arden

1:22:15

for Claire. So sometimes I feel the magnitude

1:22:18

of the game

1:22:19

makes a thing bigger. Yeah.

1:22:21

And I think that that's one that definitely

1:22:23

always stands out for me. Karl Milani was saying

1:22:25

in the office this morning when John and I were discussing this that

1:22:27

if they go on to win the whole thing that

1:22:29

the save would be even better again. But I

1:22:31

was trying to judge it if it was a pre-season friendly.

1:22:34

Would it be? No, it wouldn't be. Contact us.

1:22:36

Like Nicky Quaid against Croke in 2018 is remembered because

1:22:39

they went on to win,

1:22:41

isn't it? Really? Yeah. You

1:22:43

know, if you don't win that, if Limerick don't win, it's still

1:22:45

iconic but it's not as iconic. And it's iconic

1:22:47

because it started the whole run for Limerick. Yeah.

1:22:49

They will be All-Arden that year and then would

1:22:52

they have won

1:22:53

three in a row if they hadn't won in 2018? Yeah. Brendan

1:22:55

Commons had a double save in the monster semifinal

1:22:57

against Waterford, children 4, Parkey Quieve.

1:23:00

The second save, he saved for 65 and it was

1:23:03

like you never seen anything like it. Like that was proper top

1:23:05

corner.

1:23:05

Yeah. And that's the monster semifinal. That

1:23:09

Nicky Quaid moment as well, John,

1:23:11

where the, I guess the play is

1:23:13

disrupted. Nicky was obviously very

1:23:16

badly hurt, possibly needed an ambulance on

1:23:18

to the pitch at the 25th minute to

1:23:21

I guess disrupt the play a little bit. It

1:23:23

certainly had that impact and John Kylie and Paul

1:23:26

Kirk were not able to throw on some

1:23:28

tactics. We're seeing a lot of that in the game, but I guess it makes

1:23:30

sense. Momentum has to be

1:23:32

stopped if you're the team that's conceived. Momentum

1:23:34

can be a bit overrated as well.

1:23:35

Limerick were clearly the better team in the day. They

1:23:38

won by nine points. I don't think it has that much of an impact,

1:23:40

to be honest on it. Personally, I

1:23:43

think Limerick would have swamped Galway anyway

1:23:45

because

1:23:46

Galway could not last 17 minutes

1:23:48

and they've got a lot of question marks about

1:23:50

themselves. They

1:23:53

didn't in the second

1:23:55

half where you turn up at all and they just looked lost

1:23:58

and where did they go from here. So I don't think the Nicky Quaid team. has

1:24:00

got any really semblance

1:24:02

of a bearing and being a massive turning point

1:24:04

in the game. Yeah. Who's going to win the final? Olimark.

1:24:08

And I'm pretty clear about that. They'll

1:24:11

have to be underperformed and Kilkenny

1:24:13

will have to overperform. And

1:24:15

I'm just worried to Kilkenny of a 75-80 minute

1:24:18

performance in them because Claire was so poor

1:24:20

in that first half that playing the sweeper was a mistake

1:24:23

and they gave Kilkenny a five-point cushion. And

1:24:26

it was ultimately what won them of the game. But

1:24:29

last year was close. It was only two points in it, but I

1:24:31

still feel that even though they don't have Finn and

1:24:33

Hanlon, I do think Olimark are

1:24:35

the team to beat. But if there's any team to deny

1:24:38

a four in a row, it's Kilkenny. They denied Cork

1:24:40

in 06 and as you know yourself, Colin, Cork

1:24:42

had everything back. Are you going to Crocker this

1:24:44

weekend at any stage, Sean?

1:24:45

I don't know. We'll wait for the final. That's

1:24:48

good dub fans yet. I love

1:24:50

this. I love this. Eric, it's not believe.

1:24:52

What more do you need for the dressing room world? Very quickly,

1:24:55

just to change sport and pass the cagloo. I haven't

1:24:57

talked to you about him. Are you happy?

1:24:59

I was very impressed with his press conference yesterday.

1:25:01

That is a man comfortable in his own skin. He's

1:25:03

the kind of guy you feel like he's going to say

1:25:05

to you in one moment, do

1:25:07

you want a beer or he's going to absolutely

1:25:09

skin you alive and eat you in front of everybody

1:25:11

else? So much so you'll never go to

1:25:13

a press conference again. You'll be so embarrassed and you probably hear the

1:25:15

utter silence as you just absolutely

1:25:18

rip your dress in a press conference. Or he could say,

1:25:20

do

1:25:20

you want a tinny? Fosters,

1:25:23

mate. Other beers are available. Better

1:25:26

beers and Fosters. There are no, no, no, no disrespect

1:25:28

to Fosters. Just got my cup of tea. Or

1:25:30

cup of beer. Yeah. No, no, I

1:25:32

actually like he,

1:25:34

he gave a very impressive press conference. He's

1:25:37

not going to be treating Harry Kane with any special

1:25:39

kid gloves and you meet him today. They're

1:25:42

apparently going to offer Kane 400 grand a week, say the telegraph

1:25:44

to stay. But Ang

1:25:47

is a rebuild merchant. He degraded Celtic. This is

1:25:49

obviously a higher level.

1:25:50

I'm, I'm happy

1:25:52

with them. And I, I

1:25:55

think you hold his own in the chat to Daniel Levy. And I think

1:25:57

that's going to be important. Certainly. John, great

1:25:59

start.

1:25:59

That's Poppin' Ring, John Duggan, there with us. 8.56am

1:26:02

on Tuesday morning's O2BM, the sports breakfast show.

1:26:05

On, off the mall, today we do have Jess Kelly, the News

1:26:07

Talk Technology Correspondent in the studio. How are you Jess?

1:26:09

I'm very well, how are you? Keeping well, thanks. We decided

1:26:11

we wanted to talk about Hawkeye. Yes. Oh,

1:26:14

we got stitched. I need a dash. It's

1:26:16

not a Jess Kelly shot about this. Oh, you need the music.

1:26:19

Oh, you can't hear this, yeah. No. I'm playing Daft Punk

1:26:21

music. Daft Punk like music for you. Oh. Sorry,

1:26:24

guys. It signals to the masses. OK.

1:26:27

I appreciate it. I think it's not wham. It's

1:26:29

not wham.

1:26:29

Oh, sorry, you've seen the documentary. Oh, I

1:26:32

was like, Jess, don't tell me until you're on air, but she gave it away

1:26:34

and said it was good. No. Do you have

1:26:36

a labyrinth? So I felt many things. Yeah,

1:26:39

I actually really liked it. So three things. Firstly,

1:26:41

wow, great. Like so many

1:26:43

good songs that you kind of forget about. Number

1:26:46

two, I felt guilty that I didn't fully appreciate

1:26:48

the brilliance of George Michael until he died, because

1:26:51

I didn't realise he produced

1:26:53

an awful lot. I also didn't know that he backed away

1:26:55

from that massive producer to do Carol

1:26:58

Swisper again the proper way. So big

1:27:00

respect. And the third thing that

1:27:02

like really made me think afterwards,

1:27:05

the friendship between the two lads.

1:27:07

It's beautiful. It is friendship goals. Beautiful.

1:27:10

Because you know, like probably all know people

1:27:12

working in the industry that we work with. When

1:27:14

one person supersedes another person.

1:27:16

Ego's coming into mix. Massively.

1:27:18

Yeah. And the fact that your man Andrew was able to

1:27:20

just stand back and be proud of his friend. Was

1:27:23

it obvious then that George Michael was the more talented?

1:27:26

Yeah, very early on. But

1:27:28

originally was the driving force behind them coming

1:27:30

together. And he was the guy who looked after him in school when

1:27:32

George Michael was the new kid. And he was the popular guy in the

1:27:34

good looking one. And very charismatic. So

1:27:36

George kind of followed his lead

1:27:38

in many ways. But then George superseded him musically

1:27:40

very quickly. You

1:27:41

kind of need that dynamic. Yeah, perfect. I interviewed

1:27:43

like a lot of businesses and startups and all the rest. And

1:27:45

very often you'll have two people, the creative

1:27:48

side and the creative force. And then you've got the

1:27:50

business brain. And a lot of startups

1:27:52

fail because there's like the ego, there's just

1:27:54

the creative. And they think they can do everything on their own. So

1:27:56

I think the awareness of the two of them that they came

1:27:58

together and. And

1:28:00

the only thing I had, and I don't know if it's my cynical head,

1:28:02

is that an accurate portrayal of their

1:28:05

actual relationship? It seems to be. I mean,

1:28:07

the first thing I did after the documentary

1:28:09

ended was I went on YouTube. Okay, okay,

1:28:11

YouTube. And there was an interview that George Michael

1:28:13

did with Parkinson in 1998, weeks after the incident,

1:28:16

the indecent exposure incident, however

1:28:19

it was reported. And I was thinking, well, what's he

1:28:21

going to say about Rijli now? This is like less

1:28:23

than a decade, or just over a decade after they split up. And

1:28:25

it was very kind. And it was very much like

1:28:28

exactly what was in the documentary 20 years later,

1:28:30

which is like he stood

1:28:32

away and was very happy for me to be successful.

1:28:35

And Parkinson asked him, do you stay in touch? And he was like, well,

1:28:37

he's surfing in Cornwall these days, so I don't see much

1:28:39

of him, but we're still very much friends.

1:28:41

So it's easy to be cynical

1:28:43

about the whole thing. Rijli obviously knew the limits

1:28:45

of his talent,

1:28:47

but he still wished him well and was like, no,

1:28:49

over to you.

1:28:50

And like, you'd be welling up watching at the end their farewell

1:28:52

concert. And it's like Rijli almost knows

1:28:54

in his face that this is the end of it. And he even

1:28:56

looks different. Like he had this beautiful mullet

1:28:59

in the 80s, like, you know, suited the decade

1:29:01

so perfectly. But at the end, he has his hair cut short,

1:29:03

and he's like much less kind of extroverted

1:29:06

on stage. And he's very much given the line right to charge.

1:29:09

And there is a bit of sadness because he's only going one

1:29:11

way, charge, and Rijli's going the other.

1:29:13

I'm sure Rijli was financially sort of that. Oh, yeah.

1:29:16

Oh, yeah. But I think- Right

1:29:18

to you, sir. Yeah.

1:29:21

And when you watch those music documentaries, it ends

1:29:23

badly. You know, someone becomes the ultimate dickhead

1:29:26

and then they never talk again. And like, even if you watch

1:29:28

stuff about the Eagles, as it goes through,

1:29:30

they all start referring to each other as like, Mr.

1:29:32

Whatever. They don't use each other's first names. That's

1:29:35

how like toxic that relationship

1:29:37

became. So no, it was a good

1:29:39

recommendation column. Well done.

1:29:40

Thanks very much. I appreciate

1:29:43

that. You're welcome. When you're speaking of egos,

1:29:45

Columns' ego needs the massaging. Yes, and you don't need to tell

1:29:47

me about Columns' ego. Because like, if you come in here and said,

1:29:49

oh, it wasn't good, or, you know, if he recommends

1:29:52

something and you say it's not good, his ego will get dented.

1:29:54

Not just his ego, though. Not just his ego, though. Well,

1:29:56

more than anything, John. It's art to subject. No, no, no.

1:29:59

you go with the Cork thing as well.

1:30:02

Yeah there is a higher superiority

1:30:04

level there. He's got the Cork swagger and then you go.

1:30:06

For sure. Great to have

1:30:08

you in here Jess. Thanks so much. It's a pleasure

1:30:10

to be here. We are here to talk about Hawkeye.

1:30:12

Yeah. But I don't

1:30:15

know how this, I don't know how it happened into our heads.

1:30:18

The Armagh Monaghan game recently there was the incident where

1:30:20

I think it was Mihal Banigan from Monaghan kicks a

1:30:22

score, the umpires are kind of looking at each other going,

1:30:25

I don't know. Yeah. And the referee didn't know the players

1:30:28

were both saying opposite things, went to Hawkeye,

1:30:31

of course they do their little symbol, let's go to Hawkeye and

1:30:34

Hawkeye pops up with this file

1:30:36

error. Basically it hasn't

1:30:38

worked so it famously didn't work infamously

1:30:41

in the go or the go with Jerry Semifinal was it last

1:30:43

year. So

1:30:44

it had issues. But

1:30:47

what's the background? So how does it work?

1:30:49

So this is like, it's very sophisticated

1:30:51

technology. It's now owned by Sony. It was initially

1:30:54

developed for cricket. And since

1:30:56

then, I think it's in 80 different tournaments around

1:30:58

the world. It's using a whole host of different

1:31:00

sports. And it was brought into

1:31:03

GA in 2013. So the way it

1:31:05

works for those who don't know, because everyone will have seen it on telly,

1:31:07

but may not know. So there are nine cameras

1:31:09

around Crow Park and they can

1:31:12

triangulate to follow the ball.

1:31:14

And what's really interesting is that it doesn't just

1:31:17

do the controversial shots. It follows

1:31:19

the ball the entire time. So it can be called in

1:31:21

at any stage. However, it's like,

1:31:23

I think it's 1% of calls that it's

1:31:26

relied upon. It's very expensive

1:31:28

technology. The cost is around, it's

1:31:30

reported to be around between seven and eight grand

1:31:33

to roll it out per match. So it's a pricey

1:31:35

bit of kit. I saw

1:31:36

that price at that day number recently.

1:31:38

I remember thinking, Oh, that's

1:31:40

not too bad for Hawkeye. But then, but

1:31:43

I thought that was the cost of just putting it in there

1:31:45

and keeping it there. But it's that's per game.

1:31:46

Yeah, it's a massive amount of money because

1:31:48

if you go on to

1:31:50

Crow Park, they actually have a breakdown.

1:31:52

It has its own data server. It

1:31:55

has its own connectivity hub and all the rest. So,

1:31:57

you know, if there's thousands of people in Crow Park, as there often

1:31:59

is in the they're all using their phones. You don't want the internet

1:32:01

buffering for Hawkeye. So they have their own supply

1:32:04

there. So the cameras are

1:32:06

connected up and it can locate the position of the pole

1:32:08

no matter where it is, up to 26 meters

1:32:10

in the air and four meters wide. And

1:32:13

then it can map the

1:32:15

sort of projected path of the ball. So

1:32:18

it's not just doing a prediction.

1:32:22

It's mapping out where it was and where

1:32:24

it was likely to go. And so

1:32:26

often there's controversy around the calls because if it goes

1:32:29

up beyond

1:32:29

the post, that's very

1:32:32

controversial.

1:32:34

But they say, and I've watched an

1:32:37

awful lot now in the last few while about this, it

1:32:39

has to be within either the physical

1:32:41

goals or the projected

1:32:43

goals. So that is up to the 26 meters.

1:32:46

So just drop the post up. Exactly. And if it's not there,

1:32:48

then it's out. But it has been controversial because

1:32:50

it has failed a few times. So I was reading through

1:32:53

some of the statements. I did get on to the GAA

1:32:55

and I got on to Hawkeye. Hawkeye came back to say

1:32:57

that they can't speak on behalf of their partners,

1:33:00

which is fair enough. So they directed me back to the GAA. I didn't

1:33:02

hear back from the GAA. But having

1:33:04

read through some of the statements that are up on the website

1:33:07

and the GAA's website, there have

1:33:09

been different errors over the last few

1:33:11

years. So the example, the Armamana

1:33:14

game on the 2nd of July, the system

1:33:16

came back with a data unavailable message.

1:33:19

So that is like 404 error.

1:33:21

It's just the worst. The GAA

1:33:23

got on to Hawkeye. And they said that it was as a result of

1:33:26

operator error. So, you

1:33:28

know, in the comms box, there are usually

1:33:31

two people who are running the Hawkeye

1:33:33

system up in the comms box. And

1:33:35

it seems that they were kind of thrown under the bus

1:33:37

by this statement. It was an operator error that gave.

1:33:40

There's like pilot error, like when you're talking about airplane

1:33:42

incidents, they're blaming it on the humans. Yeah,

1:33:45

it was. Yeah, basically. So the system

1:33:48

and it's quite interesting to see. So they are capturing

1:33:50

every single movement of the ball. And then when it is called

1:33:53

upon, there is a bit of manual

1:33:55

input required with the system. And

1:33:58

then it gets thrown up onto a monitor.

1:33:59

then flicks it onto the big screens. So

1:34:02

somewhere in that chain of events.

1:34:03

Sorry, but the phrase you have one job comes

1:34:06

to mind. Ah, no. I know

1:34:08

if you're even know it's there. It's tough to make.

1:34:10

Sorry, no. It's tough frame by frame. Yeah,

1:34:12

but they're sitting

1:34:12

there. No, no, no, the individual isn't doing the frame by frame video.

1:34:15

I know, but I don't get when it goes

1:34:17

through the posts and they're showing it and I'm like, I

1:34:19

don't know if it's going to be Tara Neale.

1:34:21

You think through the posts is a Neale? Through the posts is a Neale. But

1:34:23

then I often, I

1:34:26

depict it as like slightly too inside the posts

1:34:28

basically and it would still be Neale.

1:34:30

But sorry, I didn't mean to be harsh. I mean,

1:34:32

like if it's inputs that they have to put in to get the,

1:34:35

to not get that unavailable, then

1:34:37

do that right. Yeah, because the technology itself

1:34:39

should do, and I suppose

1:34:41

to explain it again a little bit better with the cameras

1:34:44

that are in Croke Park, it does break down

1:34:46

frame by frame and then does that

1:34:49

sort of VR image that you see going over. And

1:34:52

that is sort of very much automatic, but

1:34:54

there is a level of human interaction required.

1:34:58

Exactly. Yeah. There was another one, another incident

1:35:01

in July of last year and this

1:35:04