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Shane's here, Shane. Good morning to you. Good

0:53

morning, we don't have a fax, do we? A fax machine, no? No.

0:56

Although I think probably there are apps

0:58

on the

0:59

computer which you can actually fax through

1:01

to now. All right. Jesus. Technology.

1:05

You're very old school there, Shane. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But

1:07

it's nostalgia. Good morning. I

1:09

believe our carrier pigeon was shot

1:11

down somewhere over France. Cooked. Cooked

1:14

and eaten. Jesus.

1:15

It's terrible. Really terrible.

1:18

Anyway, good morning. Pigeon tastes surprisingly nice. Ah,

1:20

it does not, does it? It does, yeah. Do

1:22

you get it with shot in it, like in succession? No.

1:26

No. Okay. That was

1:28

the Ortlans. No. Do you remember they

1:30

go to the mother's house and she has pigeon.

1:33

She says, I'm sorry, it's not a double

1:35

cheeseburger with truffle fries. What does Greg and

1:38

his grandfather eat in succession where they have to put the napkin

1:40

over their head?

1:40

That's not the grandfather, that's Tom. Sorry,

1:43

it's Tom, you hate him. Oh, yeah, that's right. That's

1:45

Ortlans. Ah, right, right. Ortlans. Ortlans.

1:49

Ortlans. Ortlans. Ortlans.

1:52

Well, it's legal. Oh, yes. Okay. It's

1:55

supposed to be illegal. So, no. Yeah.

1:58

So, on the record, no. France won't meet around, big fan of it.

1:59

I'll probably haul you one point. That was the first time

2:02

I ever came across the... The

2:04

thing about this is because you're so shamed that you're eating this

2:06

whole bird and explodes.

2:09

That's why, okay. Right. You

2:11

should try it sometime. Yeah, I mean

2:13

obviously you should try everything once in your life. Yeah. That's

2:16

legal. just

2:18

put a towel over your head. Yeah. If

2:21

you eat it, it's absolutely the same thing. No one

2:23

needs to watch you eat that kebab. No, that's true.

2:25

Yeah, yeah. The shame. The shame. Is

2:28

that actually nice? Yeah, you wonder.

2:31

Spinning around in the thing. Anyway, we got distracted.

2:33

Sorry. Yeah. I don't

2:35

know how we got there, but sure. There is an alternative universe where we would this

2:37

morning be preparing for the bandwagon to crank

2:39

into full overdrive where Ireland

2:41

will be preparing for a game against England in

2:43

the last 16 of the World Cup.

2:46

We'd have a World Cup warm up this

2:48

weekend. Ireland are playing Italy in rugby

2:51

as a warm up for the Rugby World Cup which is now hurtling

2:53

toward the tracks. There'd be some Irish

2:56

players in, you know, being transferred in

2:58

advance of the Premier League season and maybe

3:00

if

3:01

the sporting gods had been truly shouting at us, we'd

3:03

be getting ready for a replay of Dublin

3:05

Kerry which would be a whole Dublin Kerry

3:07

weekend where it's the men's

3:09

on the Saturday and the women's on the Sunday. Instead, it feels

3:11

like it's after the Lord and Mary show and there's not

3:14

that much for us to get stuck into. The

3:17

championship kicking off this weekend. Hashtag

3:19

all leads are we.

3:20

Show us where that in the mix too. Is it? Is

3:23

it something you're talking about? Yeah, yeah. Leads

3:25

Cardiff, baby. Oh my God. Three o'clock

3:27

Sunday. Yeah. There

3:30

you go. Get in there, lead fans. It feels,

3:32

it does feel strange the season being over. I know we're into

3:34

August now but like having no football

3:37

to look forward to or hurling is like

3:40

what do we do? I know the club will kick in. You

3:42

can go and watch some scraps in club matches if you want. I

3:44

went, last weekend I went to an intermediate relegation

3:46

playoff in Monaghan. Yeah, was it good? Yeah, it

3:48

was enjoyable enough but like it's just, it

3:51

fills the void a little bit to be fair when it's your own

3:53

club involved I guess but yeah,

3:55

it's, there's just something missing. Did

3:58

you win?

3:59

I might club team one month. than Harpers 1, yes. Five

4:01

points down at half time, Ger1 by 7 in the end. Six

4:03

in the end. The modern club football

4:06

game is pretty

4:07

strong. I have some kind of ease of say you're

4:09

going in. They probably mightn't be

4:12

too hectic, but yeah, at

4:14

least people have something to watch. It

4:17

all feels a bit soon, you know? It does feel a bit

4:19

soon. Even a fortnight, I think, even an extra

4:21

fortnight if the hurling was

4:25

the first Sunday in August and

4:27

the football was the second Sunday in August.

4:30

Well, it just came very thick and fast. We'd barely gotten

4:32

over the hurling and suddenly we were being

4:34

thrust into a football final.

4:36

And now it's done? And now it's done.

4:39

It was awesome. Even when I was doing the interviews

4:41

and carrying Dublin, and even the hurling as well, they were

4:44

all lamenting the fact that there was only a two week lead-in

4:46

to the final. You need at least the three. Just

4:48

to feel the buzz, the general vibe, the

4:51

rumours that will start to circulate on camps about

4:54

injuries and whatnot. You need that.

4:57

And then it should be a course book that's spoken about in the paper review

4:59

on Sunday. It should be a national holiday. Well, so Mikkel

5:01

Kiep was making that point. I was about to bring that up. I think we might have played

5:03

the clip on the show yesterday about how something needs

5:05

to happen over the whole weekend and the

5:07

whole kind of Croke Park area needs to be on fire.

5:10

Wait and see

5:11

what Dublin is like when

5:14

the college football comes, right? It's

5:16

going to be incredible. It's going to be this incredible

5:19

takeover of the city. And they've managed

5:21

to do that in the space of less than

5:23

a decade. Like it's even shorter.

5:25

And when you think about it didn't even exist during

5:27

COVID, right? Whereas we've had like,

5:29

you know, all the way back to 1884

5:32

to come up with a plan to make something

5:35

special happen in

5:37

the city wherever it's happening and in

5:39

the general area. But I don't know, there's just

5:41

this

5:41

reluctance. It's like, I'm not sure it might rain.

5:44

Nobody will come out of it rains. And why, you

5:46

know, on a practical

5:48

level, what do you mean? As in I suggested that, you know,

5:50

the flyover and that sort of thing, but the Irish air corps,

5:52

that was accused of being militaristic maybe. You

5:55

want to hear pronato. We

5:57

know that. What are what's what other sort of things

5:59

we're talking

5:59

Like is it just look at the Super Bowl

6:02

and see what they do and and do that Dennis

6:04

Walsh made that piece yesterday in the Times

6:07

saying that the Kilmukud sevens doesn't go on anymore

6:09

and that's a big part of the weekend does it not go on But

6:12

it wasn't on this weekend. Are we sure that's

6:14

because it's a good it's gonna go to it's now a party Well,

6:19

you've set him up and Shane knocks him out of the park I

6:21

was very nice But it doesn't feel like a festival of

6:24

gala football and didn't really feel like a festival of hurling

6:26

the week before So I couldn't tell from what Mick was saying

6:28

at the sevens was happening

6:29

and nobody knew about it because People

6:32

weren't making a weekend of it anymore and okay, I do accept

6:34

that a lot of people were coming up and going

6:36

back down on the same day because cost

6:39

frankly, it's ridiculously expensive and

6:41

so you can't just do this, but I don't know like music

6:45

outside arrive early so

6:48

On the way. I was like other plants selling very

6:50

loud

6:51

And but actually the stunning were in the stadium

6:53

playing which I didn't know about and the Mary wallppers

6:56

for the hurdles Well, apparently there was the Mary wallppers

6:58

again No, it was there

7:00

relatively early. I saw both of the

7:02

Jubilee teams being presented Well, I couldn't

7:05

actually hear because for whatever reason the sound

7:07

in the cusick is nowhere near as good as the sound In

7:09

the Hogan right you couldn't actually I couldn't

7:12

hear the speeches. I couldn't hear Larry going

7:15

now now and the crowd were booing David

7:18

Goff, so I don't know. I just think that like there's

7:20

it'd

7:21

be It'll

7:23

be interesting to see the City Council managed to put on

7:26

a brilliant homecoming for the team so obviously

7:28

they're capable of doing stuff and

7:30

There'll be anything to see what they do on Thursday

7:32

for the women's football on Alconnel

7:35

Street and walking around crowd shows up for us I'm a

7:37

Gia fans are creatures of habit like I can't imagine Dublin

7:39

and Kerry fans are fans of counties that are used to being

7:41

In finals, you know all of a sudden, you

7:43

know, we've music actually an hour before throw

7:45

in in this venue Like they're gonna be in the same pub there. They've been

7:47

in for 40 years for finals Yeah, maybe but

7:49

like there are also there you can bring the families

7:52

Which is the start of it and that'll attract people

7:54

to see what's going on So like I don't know is it

7:57

a is there a skills competition on the pitch

7:59

beforehand?

7:59

Like a two o'clock for

8:02

the three thirty throw in because the teams are coming out

8:04

from 245. I don't know also like Could

8:08

there be music outsides?

8:11

around the vicinity Could

8:13

there be better food trucks close to the ground

8:15

as opposed to like the here's

8:18

a bit of salmonella burger for you Like

8:20

you know good quality stuff. Maybe

8:22

I or do we not want the quality. Are

8:24

we like where's this business? I'm sorry with the house of souls

8:26

on it. I'm not even it. I think yeah We do

8:28

have to be more outside the box We

8:30

have to be more outside the box in terms of how we deliver

8:33

this as a product rather than just a game I don't

8:35

think we should necessarily look over to America

8:37

just because you know they can

8:39

mythologize absolutely anything It's

8:41

so Super Bowl is only a 60s

8:43

invention and it seems to have been carved

8:45

into Plymouth Rock the way they go on about

8:47

it It takes a long time for

8:49

those things to bed in I know when they had the Performer

8:53

who was it that did the song before the

8:55

Champions League final in that Disaster start

8:57

difference game and she was really annoyed

9:00

because no one was listening to her We

9:02

did it takes a while for that to

9:04

become Quote-unquote tradition

9:07

so we need to look at something that maybe is a little

9:09

bit more outside the box And maybe that is the Mary Wallop

9:11

reason it was just that the weather

9:13

wasn't good enough on Sunday, or maybe

9:15

it is something along those

9:17

lines, but I think I think

9:20

Getting an instant fix We're

9:23

probably you know we're gonna

9:25

convey. Oh, is that singer? Yes? Yeah? Yeah?

9:27

Yeah, and she was not happy, but you know

9:29

football fans aren't there for a performance

9:31

and a four-hour kind of spectacle

9:33

We don't have a half-time show where they

9:36

quickly set up a stage on the crook

9:38

Park pitch Mmm, I pop you two

9:40

or I don't

9:41

know The script I

9:43

don't

9:44

know big these days with the kids like you know

9:46

I do I do I Think

9:48

it's interesting that BBC managed to add

9:51

a little bit of Stardust Straightaway like

9:53

first year. What are we gonna do bit of Stardust? We've

9:55

talked about this yeah Yeah, here's a slightly

9:58

tangential. No like

9:59

but like all very gettable

10:02

people Anyway, you

10:04

know with the minor final being on the same day help.

10:07

No, I know So I'm

10:10

I think they're I think the move to remove the

10:13

other minor final

10:15

Being the most important thing of all time is

10:17

a good move generally because as since you know, 17

10:19

year old 16 year olds but um,

10:21

you know like You could definitely

10:24

put Joe McDonough before us now the

10:26

atmosphere was really good for

10:27

the Dublin carry game because everybody there

10:29

was there to see Dublin and Kerry and I don't

10:32

know if it was 10,000 tickets gone for

10:34

Talton.

10:35

Yeah, or yeah, or John

10:37

McDonough in the hurling without that

10:39

changing. I don't think it would like it It

10:42

was very clear that this wasn't the festival

10:44

that the hurling final was where all of hurling

10:46

comes together to watch their This was Dublin.

10:49

This was Dublin GA and Kerry GA

10:52

and nobody else like you

10:54

can all watch at home lads And maybe that's what it should be.

10:56

But I don't know. I don't know. Yeah

11:00

Brian says they should bring back the minor final the same as that I

11:02

don't know. There should be some game on before do we need

11:04

music to get fans to go really ask cream? But

11:07

we know no, I'm just saying something good like

11:09

it doesn't have to be

11:11

I don't know

11:12

But you know bigger brains than ours

11:14

could think about this for a while and come up with some plans

11:16

and have here's a program Like I would like a

11:19

the three point

11:21

that slam dunk contests equivalent

11:24

for hurling and football I don't know what it is. But like I'm sure

11:26

that we could come up with some stuff, you know, mmm Yeah,

11:29

how do I don't want the coverless because he gets people the

11:31

basketball matches doing the whole layup three-pointer

11:35

Half court shot that sort of thing. But like do

11:37

people care about that? I think Irish people are just built

11:40

differently were immune to bullshit

11:42

and I feel like that sort of thing sometimes people like

11:44

ah

11:45

Stay at this we won't even stay on

11:47

from bullshit. I haven't haven't crack

11:49

isn't bullshit No, it's not but having something

11:52

organized for families isn't bullshit forced crack is

11:54

bullshit That's me. It doesn't have to be shit.

11:56

Mmm. It doesn't have to be actually crap.

11:58

That's the thing. Mmm

11:59

It could be good, but can't do anything.

12:02

It might not be good. Somebody might criticize us, oh

12:05

no, I'm terrified of trying something.

12:08

Oh Jesus.

12:09

Well, let's say button down

12:11

and repress for all our lives. Somebody might not

12:13

like this. They're always trying the wrong thing.

12:15

Like they moved to Fek and said no. That's so,

12:18

that's so, always trying the wrong thing. The

12:21

Home Resumption airline, the

12:24

moral is never try. Yeah, just never

12:26

try. Yeah. Never change things.

12:29

And the point with Shane and the pity there's no

12:31

singing or chanting the public beforehand. All you have is

12:33

Come On You Boys in Blue or Kerry clap, clap, clap.

12:36

Yeah, and we've had that discussion before, the

12:38

lack of chance. Anywho, let's

12:41

move on. Yes, were you at the celebrations

12:43

Shane last night? Were you?

12:45

I passed very near to the celebrations. Right, and what was it

12:47

like? I diverted and could hear the bagpipes

12:50

and different things emanating from Smithfield

12:52

Square. The waves or the sails

12:55

in Smithfield Square lit up in blue sounded

12:57

like a great crack, in

12:59

the pubs and spilling out in the general

13:02

Smithfield area.

13:04

Big guard of presence, big security presence.

13:06

That sounded like a good crack. I didn't bother

13:09

peeping the head down, but yeah, I think

13:11

for Dublin people to have that massive long two year drought

13:14

over, obviously the emotion has just poured

13:17

out of them. So

13:19

yeah, fair play to them. I think they've

13:22

enjoyed this one. Is your bitterness increasing or decreasing?

13:25

I decrease in manor and they're now like, surely they

13:27

might probably move up to third in the rankings because

13:29

the power rankings are coming up a bit later. Yeah, they're lost in the eventual

13:31

winners. So I'll do a coming up now and then

13:33

you can tell me about how you're less bitter. So

13:35

Sean O'Sullivan is gonna give us the carry view

13:38

at eight o'clock. We're gonna go to Australia to

13:40

talk to Cathy and McNamee about the bitter

13:42

fallout from the Republic of Ireland's exit

13:44

at the World Cup. Lindsay Davies is gonna preview the

13:47

look back at the women's football semi-finals for us.

13:50

Power rankings with Tommy from nine. And we'll

13:52

play it out

13:53

with Boilerness Sullivan who said that David Cleaver

13:55

is the footballer of the year. Nailed on, no

13:58

questions asked. But he knows.

13:59

He's not betting favorite. The

14:02

players get to vote for this though, so there's a good chance that maybe,

14:04

I don't

14:05

know.

14:06

I tend to agree that David Clifford, like

14:08

he is the footballer of the year, isn't he?

14:10

I don't know. I think that like

14:12

coming down the stretch,

14:14

do you know? Are you a man

14:16

who's often given out about double points for finals and so on? Oh no,

14:19

I'm all in favor of double points for finals. Oh right, right, okay.

14:21

Oh I'm like, the footballer

14:23

of the year, the year that Donahy came off the bench in

14:25

the semifinal and was mad at the match in the final

14:27

was Kieran Donahy. Like he didn't get

14:30

it, they didn't even nominate him, but

14:33

you do it in an all-around final when everything, like

14:36

it's absolutely double points for a final. Then what's

14:38

the point? That's just, the point is that it's like the

14:41

two best teams finally coming up against each other. If it's

14:43

football of the year.

14:44

Yeah, but the year. Football of the fortnight

14:46

would be a different award. But even so, I think

14:49

we're probably blinkered by his flashes of brilliance sometimes.

14:51

That like, he didn't play all that well in that quarter-final

14:54

against Tyrone, save for that

14:56

moment where he kept the ball in from going out on the side

14:59

spectacularly. Other than that, he

15:01

wasn't that remarkable. So I don't think it's quite

15:03

him. I think probably Brian Fenton or I think

15:05

James McCarthy maybe, to be honest. Well

15:08

look, McCarthy definitely. He's gonna win it

15:10

like McCarthy, yeah. I think the Diamonds has

15:12

a case.

15:14

But anywho, we'll talk about that later

15:17

on, I suppose. Can someone answer this question for

15:19

me and PWGC has asked the same question. Can someone

15:21

explain how and why Dublin fans get to fill out the hill

15:23

every time? Do they just buy the tickets first or do

15:25

they get first dibs in the tickets as it's a home game? It's

15:27

a home game, we all know that. Well it's definitely a home game. But

15:29

like, I was hearing rumors before the semifinal

15:31

that Monaghan fans had in their droves, got

15:34

the early link and bought tickets for the hill and I was

15:36

thinking,

15:36

Monaghan, Dublin fans aren't gonna like this. Like Monaghan fans are

15:38

taking over the hill. Then you get to the match. That's

15:41

Dublin majority and you're like, what

15:44

happened here? Home advantage can. Well how

15:46

do they get the tickets first? Sure, like

15:48

the tickets go on sale at the same time for everyone because it's apparently

15:50

a neutral venue. So how do

15:53

Dublin fans get the hill? I don't know. Actually,

15:55

I don't know. We should maybe ask some questions.

15:57

Someone let us know, yeah. That's a good question. Maybe we could

15:59

do some journalism.

15:59

We could ask

16:02

official people to tell us officially what

16:04

the process is and how the makeup

16:06

of it is decided. Because it is definitely. There's

16:09

a brilliant lyrical description of it by Paul Galvin

16:12

during the football pod talking about looking up and the

16:14

hands are like shoals of fish

16:17

and you know there are definitely moments in the game where all of a sudden

16:19

Come On You Boys in Blue starts to ring out and you're

16:22

like oh you're suddenly jolted out

16:24

of the moment of the game. So

16:27

it clearly has an impact.

16:30

That was what Jaco Conner said. He said the turning point was

16:32

scoring into the hill for Paddy Small.

16:35

Yeah. That was an on goal

16:37

wasn't it? That

16:39

not an on goal? Well if his original shot

16:41

was on target. Was it on target? It

16:43

was very close. It was going over?

16:45

I

16:46

think it was going low was it? I haven't

16:48

seen it. You have to give it to Paddy Small

16:52

to be fair. Yeah in fairness. There's a heroic

16:54

attempt at block by Paul Murphy but yeah probably

16:56

inadvertently led to the goal. I

16:59

look there's a few of the Kerry lads I'd say be looking back at some of the moments.

17:01

Garret Gavin White in particular. Yeah I

17:03

think so. On Saturday's show

17:06

I said that the Gavin White Paddy

17:08

Small was the only no-brainer. I thought that

17:10

Gavin White would have Paddy Small in his pocket all day

17:12

in terms of matchups so I'd like to apologize

17:14

to Paddy Small off

17:17

the back of that.

17:18

I thought the Kerry defense was sensational.

17:20

I think Kerry are going to have a

17:22

long dark winter of the soul

17:25

where they are wondering how the hell did

17:27

they manage to lose that game and look it is

17:29

really interesting. The celebrations, the

17:31

outpouring of pure joy

17:33

from the dubs and the conversations that they've been having

17:36

about whether or not this is the end.

17:38

Desi says they didn't use

17:40

the the last dance motif

17:43

as a thing because it could be a bit inauthentic

17:46

but certainly a lot of the players were talking

17:48

about this probably is the last dance

17:50

for a lot of people. For

17:53

some of them that motivation was there. I thought

17:55

Fenton's interview when

17:57

he was talking was talking yesterday at some point and

17:59

They were all loose yesterday.

18:02

They were all just like totally, they've

18:04

been on the piss for at least 24 hours. The

18:07

points were literally in the post-match press conference.

18:10

And I don't think they'd stopped. So when they were chatting yesterday,

18:12

they were like, yeah, yeah. Fenton saying that

18:14

he did it for Desi. Obviously

18:16

his family and he did it for Desi and he did it for

18:19

James McCarthy. They were his motivations. But

18:21

he brought up on prompted

18:23

the COVID breach, the training breach, people

18:25

saying Desi should step aside, us getting

18:28

relegated and them questioning Desi.

18:31

And I don't know that whole kind of that whole narrative

18:33

that was like, oh, he's not. Desi

18:35

for all those are unbelievable credit for

18:37

getting everybody back, for bringing

18:40

Pacqueroi in, for retreating

18:42

to the background to a point where, OK, I'm

18:45

fully aware of everything that's happening here and then getting

18:47

them all to perform at the level they performed. Like

18:50

Manion came back and was man of the match. McCaffrey

18:52

came back and Fenton goes, everybody's

18:56

scared of Jack McCaffrey. The only other player in Ireland

18:58

who anybody is scared of like that might be Clifford. But

19:00

every time McCaffrey gets the ball, the

19:02

opposition is terrified and he's right.

19:06

That's the kind of analysis that everybody is doing in the pub afterwards.

19:08

Everybody's scared of McCaffrey out there. And Fenton's like, everybody's

19:11

scared of McCaffrey. It's like,

19:13

you know, I don't know. Yeah,

19:15

open and honest. I saw Cluckerton and a few of the lads

19:17

were in the boars head early enough yesterday

19:20

having their three points and Sam Maguire was with them. The

19:22

one thing I would say, and of course, Dottin made a similar

19:24

point on the Sunday game was that I

19:27

think we in the media and generally people in the pubs,

19:29

those conversations as well, retire players ourselves.

19:33

It's like, oh, they've reached this age. It's a

19:35

bit of age, isn't it? Like,

19:37

we assume a player of a certain vintage or age

19:40

is automatically going to hang out the boots

19:42

after a season like this.

19:43

Same suggestion was made to Conor McManus

19:45

and another player, any player in their mid-30s at the moment. Some

19:48

of these players might not be having this thought in their head whatsoever. And

19:51

then they're reading the papers, oh, I wonder when they

19:53

hang out their boots and all these column inches that are being covered

19:55

by it. So I think it's something we

19:57

need to be very careful with, I think, and...

20:00

Irish sporting circles is I

20:02

guess what in the news line is this player gonna keep

20:04

playing but looks sometimes it's not even in the players head Yeah,

20:07

I think though that like James O'Carthy brought it up. Well,

20:10

yeah unprompted to be shared him and Dean Rock

20:12

did Yeah, yeah, brilliant Dean Rock post-match

20:14

interview with Ashling O'Reilly where again,

20:17

he was just completely relaxed Talking

20:19

about this is gonna be the best fortnight of his life He's

20:21

off to Marbella this week for a

20:23

bit of golf and then he's coming back and he's getting married

20:26

So it's like yeah score the last point in the

20:28

game My last kick ever is like the

20:30

the insurance point to beat Kerry in

20:32

an honor and final into the hill And

20:34

then I was like looking back at Dean Rock It

20:37

was unbelievable. Mmm, he played 68

20:39

successive league and championship matches,

20:41

right? Jesus

20:43

Started our play. I said started started.

20:45

Sorry started from the time you

20:47

get into the team. He played 68 success again Oh

20:49

my god, that's a you know, you kind

20:52

of forget that

20:53

This generational player is is

20:56

cycling out of the system at the moment. So

20:59

He was just relieved talking to Ashling because he didn't have

21:01

to change his wedding plans. Exactly Yeah, Jesus

21:04

replay the replay will discuss the wedding. Yeah the

21:06

pressure on that Here's

21:09

the point Andy Jennings says they should put on a weekend

21:11

event similar to the Stoney Batter Festival Close

21:13

off few streets and from content traffic install

21:16

outdoor seating outside boozers have quality

21:18

food stalls and live music That's exactly it. That's

21:21

exactly what we're talking. No corporate bullshit.

21:23

No, no invented. Oh, we're here to have

21:25

fun now Hey, oh, hey None

21:28

of that bollocks right like let

21:31

a let a local organization like the Stoney

21:33

Batter Festival take it over and go here

21:35

We're gonna support you with funding and

21:37

we're gonna give you guaranteed space

21:39

That's safe for people to come and you could do all sorts of

21:42

cool community things that are not based

21:44

around like a glitzy As

21:47

you

21:48

say Corporate wankology.

21:51

Yeah, even I get the likes of if been in a hair

21:53

and in these cobblestone ones out to play a bit

21:55

of music in the streets and and

21:58

I love that you're the comic cons and the

21:59

autograph conventions that they do where you get to

22:02

meet your actors and they're all sitting around at the table and you

22:04

pay a ten hour or whatever to get a signature. The

22:06

GA obviously of course at amateur sport but you could

22:08

have Barney Rock sitting there, you could have Pat

22:11

Spillane sitting there, you could have Brawley sitting

22:13

there, one from each county and there's 32 OwLads

22:15

sitting around and even OwLads

22:18

would flock to meet them and talk to them

22:20

about their memories going up in the nostalgia

22:22

and get a wee signature or a program

22:24

from the 74 All-Ireland Final signed by them. Phones

22:27

now Shane, people take photographs. Well they do, yeah of

22:30

course I'm old school but autographs and selfies,

22:32

you know, and maybe you charge a fiver and

22:34

the money goes to a worthy cause or something like

22:36

that. Yeah, yeah, charity of their choice. So

22:38

that's something I'd get involved in. We should talk

22:41

about the route between Birr Pow and Katie McCabe,

22:43

it's all over the front and the back pages of

22:45

the papers. In front of

22:48

the Irish Times is the picture of McCabe

22:50

coming over to her and asking for

22:52

a substitution to be

22:54

made. Pow

22:56

obviously tells

22:59

everybody afterwards that it was Sinead Farley

23:01

that McCabe wanted subbed off and

23:04

then McCabe apparently makes

23:06

the change on the pitch anyway

23:09

herself. So

23:14

is this a massive, massive deal or

23:16

is this like just the type of stuff that happens in teams all the

23:18

time? Yeah, it's the time under tradition of a player

23:21

and a manager fighting at a World Cup for Ireland

23:24

and other places.

23:25

Yeah, like but it was made a big

23:28

deal by Katie McCabe putting up the emoji

23:30

like on social media I think that

23:33

probably heightens it a bit. Thousands and thousands

23:35

of likes and retweets or whatever you want to call it. Like

23:38

that probably stoked the fires

23:40

a little bit and I noticed it during the game. I

23:42

was actually, while I was watching the match in here yesterday

23:44

I noticed after that 65-70 minutes McCabe

23:46

was shutting something over. I was trying to lip read what

23:49

she was saying but she was clearly not happy with

23:51

the sideline and there was a couple of decisions that she wanted

23:54

amended so

23:55

I don't know. It's obviously not a great look

23:58

that it comes out, right?

23:59

Or does it matter that it comes out? Are we all too precious

24:02

about the manager saying, yes, she wanted to

24:04

change? I said no. Is that not

24:06

the type of thing that happens in a relatively

24:10

straightforward environment where

24:12

people are free to express an opinion, but

24:14

the person whose job it is to make the decision makes the decision

24:16

having taken on board the feedback?

24:18

I've heard what you said. I've decided

24:21

no. But they've escalated it because they've

24:23

taken it beyond the pitch and kept talking about

24:25

it. I'm sure Sinead Farley is like, jeez,

24:27

Vera, thank you so much for dragging me into this. Why

24:30

would she blame Vera? It was Katie McCabe who wanted her

24:32

subbed off. Yeah, but why name the player? Well, it was

24:34

Katie McCabe because McCabe was like, oh, I want

24:36

rid of her. So what did

24:38

she want? I mean, it's actually Katie McCabe

24:41

who's asking for Sinead Farley to come off. Why

24:43

would Sinead Farley be pissed off of Vera Pow? Because

24:45

she brought her up in the press conference and she's dragged

24:47

into it. Yeah, but it would have stayed on the pitch.

24:51

It's better to be silent and be thoughtful than

24:53

to speak and have everyone know. I

24:56

think being dragged into that can't

24:58

help. It doesn't really help the morale

25:00

of what seems to be a pretty touchy atmosphere

25:02

anyway. Yeah, and so is Katie McCabe right to name

25:05

the individual? Like, I want her off or

25:07

is like, we need to make a change, get some fresh legs on. Well,

25:09

until Vera Pow says it. Look at her over there.

25:11

She's the one I want. Gone. Until Vera

25:13

says it, it's all hearsay. And it's like,

25:15

well, the rumor is it's

25:18

Sinead Farley. I don't

25:21

know. For someone to come out and say, yeah, it's her

25:23

that wanted it off, especially given Sinead

25:25

Farley's profile

25:27

as a player who was sort of parachuted in late

25:29

on in the day. Yeah, I mean, that's so

25:33

why did Katie McCabe want her? Why did she single

25:35

her out? And was Vera Pow corrected?

25:37

She was actually doing really

25:38

well.

25:39

So here's the thing. What if Katie McCabe

25:41

was actually completely wrong, right?

25:42

What if she was right? I

25:44

don't know is the thing. But like, it's an interaction

25:47

either way, isn't it? Is it an interaction? When

25:50

you're the captain of the team and the game is

25:53

going well or badly, are you not supposed

25:55

to be giving feedback

25:56

to the manager? Yeah, it can be suggested in a certain

25:58

way, can it? You can run over. over to the manager, have a little

26:01

whispered conversation, no wild gesticulation

26:04

or shouting back and forth. There

26:06

wasn't much like really but like

26:09

but it was but it was more it was public it was more public

26:11

than a little casual whisper that that could certainly

26:13

happen between a manager and a captain and

26:16

just the whole fallout and the little emojis

26:19

online and Denise of Sullivan talking about

26:21

distraction as well and her tweet she just threw

26:23

that word in as well as she was thanking

26:25

the fans and it

26:27

just feels a little bit easy for these players to

26:30

know in the last 15-20 minutes of the last

26:32

group game to then decide okay

26:34

now we're gonna we're

26:36

gonna say something get there yeah I

26:38

get this in there because the because the fall out from this like

26:40

Vera mightn't be in charge anymore I'm gonna get this and

26:42

get this in right now I

26:44

like gonna show my public

26:47

I guess this pleasure with some of her

26:50

decisions on pitch and whatever else so like so

26:52

you think this was calculated by McCabe if

26:55

this is over a power under the bus if it was done if it

26:57

was done in the last 15-20 minutes of the first game

27:00

I'd be like okay well Katie McCabe clearly has a an

27:02

issue here let's sort it out but

27:05

it feels like okay

27:07

that the work up is about to end we

27:09

can't get through anyway we're drawing the match

27:11

against Nigeria she had Farley's not playing that badly

27:13

let's be honest so why why bring

27:16

this up now is as a major issue and why

27:18

you get involved by putting up a silence

27:21

emoji on Twitter

27:22

which you know before you press publish is

27:24

going to stoke the flames even further I think I'm gonna

27:27

cause headlines I think she miscalculated

27:29

the effect of that I thought she I think she thought

27:31

she'd have much more support on her

27:33

side because it's her personality Katie

27:36

McCabe she's not a shrinking violet at all there's

27:39

even a Twitter account called did Katie

27:41

McCabe get a yellow card which everybody I

27:43

know follows so she's known for being

27:46

this feisty character and I think it that

27:48

sort of plays into it that's fair but I think it's backfired

27:51

tremendously because it looks

27:52

a bit petulant and silly I don't

27:55

understand Katie wanted to give her point of view as well like

27:58

she has every right to but just in a in a

27:59

certain way maybe that is less public at

28:02

a World Cup it might be better and also look

28:04

Vera Power

28:05

there are all the allegations against Vera Power none

28:07

of us know that the veracity or otherwise

28:09

of those she does deny them all she does deny them of course

28:12

but the the fact is like the

28:14

team are flying home this evening they have

28:16

their home coming at the very least you probably and

28:18

this point was made in the last couple of days deserves

28:20

to be part of the like this is the first Irish team

28:23

to go to a women's World Cup like

28:25

she deserves to be part of those celebrations and whatever

28:27

happens contract wise after that yeah are there are

28:29

there any football reasons why your

28:32

power shouldn't be given a new

28:35

contract I don't think so I think

28:37

we're doing the best for what we have I'd like to see someone

28:39

come in and be more creative

28:42

in terms of how they utilize it yet it's

28:44

gonna be Tom Adams like he is he is going

28:47

to be the next manager when fairleafs you'd

28:49

imagine that that seems to be the suggestion is

28:51

it well that that's what I'm here that's what I'm hearing

28:53

from reports that

28:55

the players love him there's a bit of continuity

28:58

there that obviously going into the Northern

29:00

Ireland game and all the rest that that

29:02

would be the I guess the next name

29:04

on the list and so

29:07

I guess stylistically from Vera Powell that's not much

29:10

change if it is Tom so he's the assistant coach

29:12

the assistant of year at the moment so like look I don't

29:15

know what the odds are in the next on the next manager but

29:17

but certainly the the gauges that

29:20

he will be the next coach after Vera Power and

29:23

which which would suggest that

29:25

they do want continuity they do want the same side of play to

29:27

continue forward and it's worked it's got

29:29

into a World Cup but yeah

29:32

I just I wouldn't assume that the assistant

29:34

manager always does exactly you know I mean yeah

29:36

no fair yeah you can always come in and have your own stamp

29:39

of things so I tell you I I wasn't

29:42

I hadn't heard that yeah I think it was

29:44

maybe the Irish independent rather than possibly okay and

29:46

but certainly there have been reports that Tom Adams is that

29:49

is the favorite candidate and

29:51

popular with the players

29:53

that sort of thing so I mean

29:55

if the if the players have a say in this certainly Tom Adams

29:58

name will be in the mix you'd imagine yeah that's

29:59

That is interesting, you know, it'll

30:02

make for an interesting podium on

30:04

Thursday. Like, she absolutely not all deserves

30:06

to be, but this is a great

30:08

achievement to get to the World Cup

30:11

and we played well. I actually thought we were

30:13

more ambitious on

30:15

the fields than we have been at

30:18

various stages and we've been relatively unlucky

30:20

against superior teams and

30:23

we don't score a whole heap of goals. So

30:25

look, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know what everybody expected. No,

30:29

and I think a lot of the people who have been

30:31

complaining maybe about Virr Pao's tactics

30:33

are watching this team for the first time at this World

30:36

Cup and have been really appreciated.

30:38

Karen Duggan has been complaining about it

30:40

on Coigig and now in the

30:43

Irish Times as well for a long

30:45

period of time. Obviously, that's exactly what she's talking about. Absolutely.

30:47

But let's wait and see, you know, like, let's wait

30:49

and see if the new manager comes in

30:51

and suddenly we're playing with Cady

30:54

and Denise behind a striker and everybody

30:56

else, you know, they're given that we're playing with two

30:59

10s or two 8s. Let's wait

31:01

and see exactly what comes next because I

31:04

don't know, I think,

31:07

to me, it doesn't look like there's huge footballing reasons

31:09

why you wouldn't be given. Yeah, I drew

31:11

it in Nigeria yesterday, you know, and Nigeria,

31:13

of course, probably brought off their star striker with

31:15

maybe 20-25 minutes left. They

31:17

knew that the Australia game was going a certain way. They already had

31:19

progression guaranteed, but still clean

31:22

sheet in the World Cup for Ireland.

31:23

First point in a World Cup for Ireland. There

31:26

are massive positives out of yesterday's game, for sure.

31:28

Denise O'Sullivan was eventually moved in this World

31:30

Cup to her favourite position of number 10. So

31:34

there's

31:34

so much to be proud of. It's obviously disappointing from our

31:36

perspective that we lost to Canada the way we did, I think,

31:38

particularly. Yeah, and look, I don't know, I guess I'm

31:40

wondering, is it that big a deal that the captain says

31:43

something and the manager says, she said that, I said, no,

31:45

like, maybe that's all that's happened here. Do you know?

31:47

Now,

31:48

because she tweeted afterwards, this

31:50

is definitely a much bigger story. Yeah, but maybe

31:53

you're

31:55

supposed to have more issue with the tweet than the actual

31:57

in-game conversation.

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34:05

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34:08

the Kerry side of things with Sean Bonacilovan

34:10

next. OTBAM.

34:12

The

34:15

sports breakfast show from off

34:18

the ball. Yeah, you listen

34:20

to a bit of co-gig there in the ab break. We'll talk

34:22

to Katine a little bit later on as well. Six minutes past

34:24

eight this morning. That's got a Kerry and

34:27

here a little bit about how the wake is going. Sean Bonacilovan

34:29

is with us. Sean, good morning to you. Good morning,

34:31

Jar. Good morning, Shane. How are you, lads? We're

34:33

okay. How are you, hon? We're

34:36

getting there, Jar. Yeah. Tuesday

34:39

morning after an online defeat. I've been there,

34:42

unfortunately. Actually, you know,

34:44

the Tuesday morning is probably the worst because

34:47

yesterday you would have had the distraction of the

34:50

homecoming and

34:52

you know, you would have, you probably would have

34:55

had a few beers Sunday

34:57

night, tease the pain and yesterday and then you

34:59

wake up this morning probably. Usually

35:02

we would have woke up in Killarney somewhere and

35:05

that's when it kind of hits you that things just

35:07

didn't go your way on Sunday. So I

35:10

can feel now for the lads and the management this morning,

35:12

but look, that's life. That's football. We

35:14

got to move on. But

35:15

yes, Sunday will certainly be

35:18

one that's really, really, I

35:21

think we live to regret.

35:23

Anyway, on we go. I

35:26

was having a conversation with Aung Shee in the aftermath of the game

35:28

and he said it felt like the Toronto Games, the

35:31

Toronto finals. I actually

35:33

thought Toronto were better teams on

35:35

the day in

35:37

those old Orleans and so were kind of, they merited

35:39

their victory in a way. This one, I'm

35:41

sure Kerry definitely feel like they kicked it away

35:44

and that they were at least

35:46

the equal if not actually better than Dublin.

35:49

And so, and that's not a knock on Dublin. All my Dublin

35:51

friends afterwards when I was putting

35:53

this team, shut up, shut up. I

35:56

was like, it's actually...

35:59

When you think about it, it's the hallmark

36:02

of a truly great team to get over the line

36:04

when you're not necessarily the best team

36:07

in the game. And anyway,

36:09

what's your take on all that? Yeah,

36:11

no, the Tyrone games for me would be different,

36:14

too. I think we were just beaten on the day by a

36:16

superior outfit. This

36:19

one is different and again, absolutely 100% degrees.

36:22

No knock on Dublin. You know, they

36:25

showed us how to close out the game. That's that's

36:27

very simply it. And I

36:30

think down here we would have felt that maybe we'd learned

36:32

how to do that, particularly since Jack

36:34

came back.

36:35

But I think he even alluded to himself

36:38

yesterday. I think he was speaking to the

36:40

media and that maybe we haven't learned how to do it. And

36:43

if this is another piece of the education

36:45

or another step in this team's process, then

36:48

so be it a tough one to take.

36:50

But look, if that is

36:52

the outcome of this down the tracks,

36:55

then we'll just screen and bear it. But

36:57

no, it's a different feeling. It's a different feeling

37:00

because we didn't do a whole

37:02

pile around. Harry didn't do a whole pile

37:04

around. It's just Dublin did a few things better. So

37:07

what did Dublin do better? First of all,

37:09

their pick out on both sides.

37:12

They went after ours

37:14

and cracked us on numerous occasions.

37:18

We just couldn't get a handle on that men

37:20

tloksten and his relationship with Brian

37:22

Howard. Did I see somewhere Howard one eight kick outs

37:26

on Sunday? That's crazy. That's

37:28

unbelievable stuff to have that relationship

37:31

between a goalie and a midfielder. How

37:33

Kerry didn't get to grips with that sooner.

37:35

I don't know. Second half was

37:37

better. Second half was definitely better. And of

37:40

course, Howard then did so much running. His

37:42

calf gave up on him and he had to go off. He was outstanding.

37:44

I thought he had a great year actually. And

37:46

then was Dublin's go-to guy

37:48

in a lot of the championship games when they came

37:50

to their kick out. So maybe Kerry

37:52

just didn't. I won't

37:54

say they didn't plan first, but it's certainly something

37:56

that maybe they look back at and realize

37:59

that they were.

37:59

beaten in that sector. And

38:02

Dublin took their chances. Dublin took their

38:05

chances. They worked their scores

38:07

better and smacked her down the stretch. And

38:10

we didn't. And we were forcing

38:12

a little bit. David obviously had

38:14

an off day, even though he got

38:16

into positions where you would have expected

38:18

him to kick scores that he would

38:21

usually kick. He just had an off day.

38:23

And all that

38:25

middle together, especially going down into the last 10

38:28

minutes, caught us. Jack's

38:30

point, I thought was excellent in terms of,

38:33

you know, if you had, if

38:35

you would say to the Kerry management when

38:38

they were going to bed in their hotel Saturday night, that

38:40

Kerry would flip the third quarter, this famous

38:42

third quarter that Dublin are renowned for. And

38:45

I don't want

38:48

to use the term in control of the game, because I'm

38:50

not sure either team were ever in control of

38:52

that game on Sunday. But Kerry found

38:54

themselves in a very, very good place when they

38:56

were the three points up before the

38:58

mistake before Gavin White's mistake. Unfortunately

39:01

for him, great year he had as well. And

39:04

it's just unfortunate for him that a

39:06

mistake like that happens on the biggest day. But

39:10

I worry when that goal went in, because I thought here we

39:12

go, here's this oxygen that Dublin needed.

39:14

Here's this oxygen the hill needed.

39:16

Kerry, this

39:19

could explode here

39:21

or implode, should I say. But I

39:23

thought we reacted very well to go three up

39:25

again. But I just think that the energy

39:27

we expended getting back into that three

39:29

point lead,

39:31

cost us in the end, cost us

39:33

going down into that last 10 minutes. And another

39:36

flip side is when we

39:38

needed legs then, someone

39:41

like Stephen O'Brien who we had started,

39:43

wasn't there to come in off the bench to

39:45

give us that energy. I know we brought in Adrian Spillan,

39:48

I know we're bringing in Mihal Burns, but

39:50

they are not those type of players, Killian Spillan

39:52

as well, who kicked a great score. They aren't

39:54

those type of players to give you those legs

39:57

in the middle. Reno Big Leit came on.

39:59

maybe a little bit too late for me.

40:01

I felt he might've been a guy who maybe should have come on

40:04

when McCaffrey came on and go on McCaffrey

40:06

to curb his influence. But look,

40:08

these are all little things that you look at after. It's

40:11

when you're in the heat of it and in the middle of it that those

40:14

decisions need to be made. But

40:16

look, at the end of the day, Dublin

40:19

showed us how to close out a game and close it out brilliantly

40:21

as they always do.

40:22

Yeah, that's the difficulty is that you,

40:25

like, when there's a period

40:27

against a great team like Dublin and you do get

40:29

into your three-point lead, you have to drown them

40:31

because you know they're going to come back. In

40:34

terms of the kick-outs,

40:35

what could they do differently? Let's

40:38

start with their own kick-outs. What could carry you differently

40:41

next time?

40:43

In terms of our own kick-out,

40:45

I just felt that, look, and

40:48

again, it's easy to say because you just, you

40:50

know, when you're out in the middle of it, you don't,

40:52

the opposition are obviously coming with some tactic. I

40:55

just think that we lacked that little bit of bravery.

40:57

We lacked that little bit of movement, particularly out to the flanks.

41:00

I mean, Shane Ryan had to go long down the

41:02

middle quite often when Dublin put the press

41:05

on. But I mean, if you're, if

41:07

a team are pressing you, the

41:09

last place you want that ball put up for

41:11

grabs is out around the middle, where

41:14

if it's broken back, which it was, on

41:16

numerous occasions by Dublin, you know, you're

41:18

right down the center of Kerry's defence there. And

41:21

I felt there could have been a little bit more lateral

41:24

running out to the flanks from midfield,

41:27

even if half backs got over there and

41:29

created little pockets for our half forwards to

41:31

come down into, you know, little things like

41:33

that. But again, it's very

41:36

easy to say that's when it's the heat of an all-earn

41:38

and final. And I mean, you have to give cool outs to

41:40

Dublin. They really went after it.

41:42

The other side, I felt

41:45

Dublin used the cluster kick-out quite a bit. I

41:47

thought they used it an awful lot. And

41:50

Kerry seemed to be going man-to-man in

41:52

a cluster kick-out, which is very, very

41:54

difficult to do, Jar, because if you were

41:57

in a cluster kick-out or a bunched kick-out and

41:59

you were trying to...

41:59

to find your men. There's movement in there by the

42:02

Dublin players. They're all bunched together but they're still

42:04

moving, little intricate movements. And Carrier all of

42:06

a sudden trying to find, well, where's my man? And

42:08

it's very, very difficult to communicate that in a split

42:10

second. All of a sudden, a Howard

42:13

mainly or someone else is broken out of the

42:15

pack out for a simple pop

42:18

to a pocket from Cluckston and Dublin

42:20

around the move down the field. And Carrier still

42:22

looking around, maybe looking for their men. So I felt

42:25

that maybe forming a zone around

42:27

the zone or a zone around the bunch might have been better

42:29

for

42:29

Kerry. They might have got to the outlet

42:32

of the kick out a bit quicker, which obviously was

42:35

Howard quite a bit. Not always him, but it was

42:37

him quite a bit. So look, again,

42:39

these are things that Dublin or Kerry will learn

42:42

from. I

42:43

know Darren was talking to

42:45

Joe yesterday evening and made a good point that

42:47

these are all things that the Kerry lads will look back at.

42:50

Unfortunately, with the new system, they've quite a bit

42:52

of time now to look back at this stuff. But these

42:54

are all little bits and pieces that they learn from Ger

42:57

and

42:58

our age profile is good. We're young,

43:00

we're

43:45

some

43:52

point that I'm talking about.

43:54

Like, this Stephen started because we're not

43:56

getting the we're not getting the spread of scores and

43:59

we would have hoped.

43:59

I've been hoping Steven could have chipped in with

44:02

a few from half forward. Steven had a bad

44:04

game. I just want to make that very, very clear. He

44:06

did not have a bad game. He got on plenty ball. He worked

44:08

hard, got a few turnovers in the first

44:10

half in particular. But

44:12

we just didn't get the scores

44:15

again from those areas where we needed. And

44:17

look,

44:17

everyone was talking about David going into the game that he

44:19

was going to need help.

44:21

I think we got one nine outside of David

44:23

from Paul,

44:25

from Paddy, from Shawnee. But

44:29

still not enough in an all-arm final. We

44:31

knew that probably 1-15, 1-16, 1-17 was probably going

44:33

to win the game. And

44:38

we just didn't get there. We needed that extra

44:40

two, three, four pints from somewhere else. I know Tom

44:43

Sullivan had a shot laid on. It was a tired kick.

44:46

I can't even remember. D'Amor O'Connor

44:48

getting in for a scoring chance. Steven himself,

44:51

I don't think, got a shot off. Paul

44:53

Ganey will look back and Paul

44:55

played well.

44:56

But that first goal chance

44:59

was crucial. That was crucial. That

45:01

hits the back of the net. That's a great start for Kerry. I

45:04

know he had a chance where he got inside.

45:06

Davey Byrne was it. And Kip went off. The

45:08

post went wide. So look, all these things

45:11

added up to things that we

45:13

needed. But at the same time, Shane, you clipped

45:15

that around. And I know you say Dublin had eight different scores.

45:18

But Dublin missed chances too. Do you know what I

45:20

mean? Paul Menion. Khan rattled the crossbar.

45:23

He nearly broke the balls down in front of the hill. Brian

45:27

Howard had a poor attempt early doors

45:29

off his left. I've never seen him kick a shot off his left

45:31

before. You know, the things fellas doing an all-arland final

45:33

when the pressure's on.

45:36

So look, we can talk all day about

45:38

Kerry missing their chances. But Dublin had

45:41

their chances too. So there's no excuses

45:43

there. And I was listening to you earlier on, Jer,

45:45

before I came on.

45:46

The top thing about this is the Kerry defense

45:48

played so well. They played so,

45:51

so well. Turnovers,

45:53

tackling, you

45:55

know, putting the dubs under pressure.

45:57

People talk about Fitzsimons and the great game he

45:59

had.

45:59

David under pressure. Not for all his kicks

46:02

now, I have to say. I think

46:04

maybe a lot of people are looking at that

46:06

through maybe blue tinted

46:08

glasses. I mean, Fitzsimons had a great season. He

46:10

had a great game. He carved David's influence,

46:12

but he wasn't down with his foot

46:16

for every kick. I know David would be

46:18

disappointed with some of the shots. His

46:20

radar just wasn't in. But

46:22

the Kerry players were really,

46:24

really putting the dubs under pressure when they were kicking. So, you know,

46:27

our defense, no problems. But unfortunately,

46:29

it was just the up the other side of the field. We

46:31

just didn't put them to bed, you know? The

46:34

point you make about the age profile is really

46:36

well made. And there's been a lot of talk

46:39

and part of its gossip, some of it's

46:41

very well informed about

46:42

how many dubs are going to step away is

46:44

your understanding that the three lads you mentioned will

46:47

be around and available next year, because it feels

46:49

like if Kerry are going to get over the line, they're going to need

46:52

everybody to have a role, maybe

46:54

not a starting role, but certainly to be able to influence

46:56

things, set the tone of training, be

46:59

an impact sub. Do you think those three are

47:01

going to stick around? I hope so,

47:03

sure, because I mean, look, look, what's got Dublin over

47:05

the line. Do you know what I mean? You know, that's that

47:07

that answers your question. You know, the guys that came back

47:09

for Dublin are OK. They

47:11

went to way and came back,

47:13

was experienced and and and

47:15

look, I can only imagine

47:17

what Cluckston, McCaffrey,

47:20

Mangyan

47:21

brought to that whole Dublin setup outside

47:23

of their playing capability

47:25

outside of their their ability as footballers, what

47:28

they brought to the dressing room. So if that Perry

47:30

team, because of their age profile,

47:32

were to lose again, a Paul Murphy,

47:35

Stephen O'Brien,

47:36

who of them, all three of them,

47:38

that's a real dent to the dressing room in

47:40

terms of what they bring in in terms

47:43

of experience. So I'd

47:45

be hoping they stick around. Is there anything

47:47

to say that they wouldn't? I thought Paul Murphy had an excellent

47:49

game like he was very unlucky with the block

47:51

on the goal early on. He got some great

47:53

turnovers. He's still as fit as ever.

47:56

He was one of the most consistent performers down

47:58

here in County Championship.

47:59

top championship football last year. Can't see

48:02

Paul walking away from it. Stephen O'Brien

48:05

still has a lot to offer considering that he

48:07

had really no football at all. Played

48:09

this year with his injury. So depending

48:11

on how the body is, I would expect him to stick around.

48:14

I suppose Paul Ganey is the one, he's the oldest.

48:17

Did he

48:18

have a poor game on Sunday? No. Would he

48:20

look back and say he should have put away a few other chances?

48:22

Possibly. So is there unfinished business for him?

48:24

I'd like to think so. So out of those three,

48:27

I can't see them stepping away and I would hope

48:30

not. Because we need everybody. What

48:33

we also need, Dodger, is we need to

48:35

go and find. And again, going back to Darren, I thought

48:37

himself and Colin were excellent yesterday with Joe.

48:40

We need a little bit more depth. And

48:42

it's the one thing that I was disappointed

48:44

with, and I know a lot of people in Kerry would have been disappointed

48:47

with this year, is that we just didn't find

48:50

a little bit more depth for the bench.

48:53

I said it all year, Dublin had a strong, the strongest bench

48:55

in the country. I think I was proved right.

48:58

How do Kerry go and find that?

49:00

They are out there. Are they

49:02

a bit young yet? I think so. I saw

49:05

them up close and personal with the under 20s for two

49:07

years. There's still a little bit of development to go on

49:09

a lot of players.

49:11

But I think we need to maybe look now at

49:13

possibly throwing a few of them into the league at

49:16

the start of next year, because we

49:18

just need to find a few fresh faces. We need legs.

49:21

But look, that's for Jack in the management to go and

49:23

look at club and championship football now. It's starting

49:25

next weekend, believe it or

49:28

not. So that's another story. Is

49:30

the bench that that point has been made

49:32

both in advance and in the wake of the match, Sean, that,

49:34

you know, obviously Dublin's bench is so much stronger than

49:36

Kerry's and the strength and depth is a massive thing. But like,

49:40

if you actually look at it, so Braino Bialgia

49:42

comes on, possibly in some people's

49:44

books could have even started ahead of Paul Murphy. Maybe

49:47

in that game, Adrian Spillan comes on, Kellyanne

49:49

Spillan comes on and scores a lovely point. Mihal

49:52

Burns, I mean, that block by Burns later

49:54

on, if Kerry go on to win that chem could have

49:56

been a star, like a famous, all-out

49:59

and final moment.

49:59

And then of course, Tony Brosnan's obviously

50:02

unlucky to miss out through injury. So is

50:04

the depth that big a concern

50:07

in Kerry?

50:08

It is. It is,

50:11

Shane, because all

50:13

the players you mentioned there, OK,

50:17

obviously started on last year's team. So,

50:19

yeah, he made it. You could make a case that

50:21

he could possibly get in there.

50:24

None of those players

50:27

have really, for me, had

50:30

massive impacts when they're coming into games,

50:33

particularly from the scoring perspective. Do

50:35

you know what I mean? I mean, at the end of the day, from

50:38

a forwards perspective, scoring perspective and talking

50:41

as an ex-forward, you have to be coming

50:43

in, making an impact on the scoreboard for me. And

50:45

it's something that's not... I think somebody

50:48

sent me, look, the

50:50

post-martums have been flying obviously since Sunday.

50:52

There's screenshots and there's fellows doing stats

50:55

at A4 pieces of paper and everything. But somebody

50:57

did send me something about our scoring

50:59

impact all this year

51:00

from our half-forward line

51:03

and our subs.

51:04

And it's just been nowhere near good

51:08

enough in terms of game changers,

51:10

game changers. And another concern

51:12

for me would be our midfield

51:15

replacements. Like we brought Mike

51:17

Breen on there on Sunday from Beaufort. Mike

51:19

is naturally a half-back, center-back.

51:23

He was brought on midfield. Okay.

51:26

Four legs, four legs, because we were lacking

51:28

them coming down the last 10 minutes and Mike does have

51:30

a good burst of pace and he can get up and down the field.

51:33

But that's a concern as well. You know, around

51:35

the middle area there, the real engine room with the team,

51:38

we don't seem to after Deir Medan Jek,

51:40

what do we have to come in there? Adrian Spillan

51:42

can come in there sometimes, but he predominantly comes

51:44

on our stats on the half-forward line. So for

51:47

me, I think the lack of

51:49

scoring power off the bench,

51:52

having dipped in those areas, Shane, is the

51:54

concern. We seem to be okay

51:57

defense-wise. We seem to have good

51:59

cover day.

51:59

and and more to come I would

52:02

expect from from under 20 teams over the

52:04

last few years when it's up the other

52:06

side of the field and in the middle of the pitch that

52:08

I think people's concern is when they

52:10

talk about depth and impact from

52:13

from the bench. So

52:16

in terms of midfield right is there a delegation

52:18

en route to Australia to ask Mark

52:21

O'Connor to hasten his return? Like

52:23

I'm not joking. The type thing you know yeah

52:27

you would definitely be making the call wouldn't you?

52:29

Yeah yeah it's again talking

52:31

about the post Martem's jerk. His name was mentioned

52:33

yeah his name was mentioned a couple of times. Sure

52:35

he's he's natural a

52:38

natural guy to come in there.

52:41

Look

52:42

for me I don't know what happens to your question

52:44

the guy is really really settled in in Geelong

52:47

isn't it? He's flying.

52:50

Was he part of an all-Irish? Was there

52:52

a was there a picture of the all-Irish half

52:54

backline there the other day or something or half forward line

52:56

himself to Ian

52:58

and Mullen so I can't see that man but

53:00

yeah it's it's it's it's something that's

53:02

if there was even a chink of light in it would

53:05

you do it?

53:06

I'll go if they want me to. No problem. I

53:10

can go. Who's your reporter down there

53:12

at the moment? Kathleen McNamee. Yeah we've got a call

53:14

in. So look yeah

53:17

it's it's Sherlock he's he's already

53:19

made midfielder like you know

53:22

and and was was the best underage midfielder

53:24

that we produced of those

53:26

minor teams and under 20, 10 or 21 teams before

53:29

he took off down under so but look

53:31

it's it's pie in the sky stuff at the moment because

53:33

it's it's just he's obviously under

53:35

contract and so on and so forth so

53:38

it's just post-mortem talk at the moment. Yeah

53:40

okay because it was strong rumor was

53:43

that he was certainly

53:44

close or interested in coming back and that

53:47

could be tantalizing for a number of years and it might never happen.

53:50

Stefan Okumber obviously has come back but it's just been blighted

53:52

by injury but certainly I think

53:55

he started his first game at cornerback and then his second

53:57

game was midfield and then he got injured so they're

53:59

obviously looking at him.

53:59

as a potential midfielder down

54:02

the line as well. So like

54:03

at least in the darkness that you're going through

54:05

at the moment there is some bright spark about

54:08

like next year will be slightly different, there

54:10

will be a bit more depth.

54:12

Oh yeah Jaren, not just next year, this

54:14

carry team are here to stay,

54:16

this carry team are going to be around. Don't

54:18

believe me, there's there's listen we're down

54:20

today, we're down and we're very down, we'll

54:22

be down for a while and those players will. But

54:25

this carry team are going nowhere, they're

54:28

a team absolutely full of fantastic

54:31

players and they have a good management team

54:33

and they will be back,

54:35

they will learn and they've learned harsh lessons

54:37

from Sunday and really really tough lessons but

54:39

there's a good crop of players coming, they

54:42

need development as I said,

54:44

mix them in, I think Jack referred to always

54:46

trying to find one or two guys and mix them into

54:48

the current group and yeah you will lose players,

54:50

I'm hoping we won't but yeah you could possibly

54:53

but

54:54

no no, there's

54:56

a bit of doom and gloom but no no this carry

54:59

team aren't going anywhere, they last out to a fantastic

55:02

Dublin side who knew and had the experience

55:04

that blows out a really really big game. Carry

55:07

just need to learn that and they will, I'm sure they will.

55:09

Excuse my ignorance on this Sean, you talk about the lack

55:12

of scoring power off the bench, I remember

55:14

earlier in the year and after certainly the Armagh

55:16

game in the league and Jack O'Connor was full of praise

55:19

for a couple of the, so Donald Downo Sullivan

55:21

was one name that we mentioned of an inside

55:23

forward who was

55:24

shooting the lights out in the club game, played really

55:26

well in the league game or two for Kerry, Darryl

55:29

Roach as well from Glenn Flask was another

55:31

player that was kind of come to the fore, is

55:33

there a reason why these lads aren't I

55:35

guess the consideration at this stage of the championship

55:38

when as you say that's exactly what you need off the bench? Yeah

55:40

look if I'm a Donald Downs and I'm

55:42

a player who has, you

55:45

know, playing for Kerry

55:47

and obviously on his

55:50

radar of course I'd be asking the hard

55:52

questions of Jack, maybe not this week but I'd sit down

55:54

with him and say well look Hillian

55:56

Spillan who obviously has that experience

55:59

of playing in bigger games.

55:59

Kerry got on the other day ahead of me, you

56:02

know, where's my role in this panel?

56:05

Am I going to get time in the league?

56:07

I know he got a few games last year, is he going to get

56:09

a better run this time round? Darragh

56:11

Roach was a different one. He got injured, excuse

56:15

me,

56:16

he damaged his wrist and for whatever

56:18

reason didn't get back in. But

56:20

he's back playing club football again, I know he went to the

56:22

States, but he's back playing club football again. So

56:25

he's a guy that might pop his head

56:27

up again at the start of the league next year. So definitely,

56:29

like,

56:30

you know, these guys have to ask questions of the management

56:32

and that's what the management is there for Shane. You

56:35

know, why didn't I get a chance here

56:37

or a chance there? Certainly, it's questions

56:40

they need to ask, but they are there

56:42

as well without a doubt. Yeah. Will

56:44

we see more of them in the league come 2024? You'd

56:47

like to think so. We'll have to wait and see.

56:49

Can Kerry use this pain, Sean? Because you

56:51

think when you lose a final to your great rivals,

56:54

like Kerry lost to Toronto 5-0-8,

56:56

but the following year went on

56:58

to win the All Ireland. So is that something that you,

57:01

I guess, utilize in that winter

57:03

of pain? Yeah, you have

57:05

to. You have to. Yeah, you have

57:07

to. And like the thing is, look, you'll obviously

57:09

this week is going to be long now and they'll stick together

57:12

and I hope they stick together. They will. They're

57:15

a good bunch.

57:17

But you'll be back in the club

57:19

next week, you know, and

57:21

you'll park Kerry for a good bit. You

57:24

know, you will, you really will. You'll be there in the back of your

57:26

mind, but you'll all of a sudden you'll park

57:28

it because you'll have your club championship

57:31

coming up and then you have the county championship after that. And

57:33

before you know it, you're at Christmas

57:36

time. And yes, that's been when the phone calls

57:38

will start to vote. OK, we're ready to go again. So

57:41

but of course you lose it. Yeah, absolutely. I

57:43

think David and his speech in Killarney yesterday

57:45

evening was already mentioning next year.

57:48

Now, look, is that something a captain has to stand up and say to the public?

57:50

Of course it is. Deep down, those

57:53

lads will be will be, you know, ready

57:55

to go again when when the time comes. But

57:57

for now, this week, they just need to find

57:59

for

57:59

forget about it, enjoy themselves, they've had a very

58:02

very good year, a very very good year and

58:05

just

58:06

couldn't get over the final hurdle and

58:08

some outstanding individual performances all

58:11

season, they're probably going to end up

58:13

with five six all-stars I would think, possibly

58:16

a player of the year as well.

58:18

So they didn't do, as I said at the start of the call,

58:21

they didn't do a whole pile wrong all year,

58:23

they didn't do a whole pile wrong on Sunday,

58:25

it's just on Sunday Dublin did a few

58:28

things better that Kerry need to learn from

58:30

and both back next year. Sean we'll

58:32

leave it there, good stuff, thanks a million. Thanks

58:34

lads. We're sorry for your trouble.

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morning guys, doing alright, how are we all? So

58:53

the front pages of all of our newspapers are,

58:56

it's basically the photograph of Katie McCabe over

58:58

talking to Vera Pow and

59:00

I'm wondering, have

59:03

you been, are

59:05

all the team functions finished now, they're on their way home

59:08

or

59:08

has there been anything extra that has happened

59:12

since the press conference yesterday where Vera

59:14

explained what had happened?

59:17

So there's been nothing

59:19

extra beyond social media from

59:22

the players, Katie McCabe obviously posting

59:24

the emoji of the zipped face and then Nisa

59:27

Sullivan also tweeted mentioning distractions

59:30

off the pitch. So

59:32

those are the only things that happened but the team are heading back this evening,

59:35

possibly on my flight, I'm not entirely sure, they're either on

59:37

the one just before me or the same one and

59:40

yeah there won't be anything then again until the homecoming

59:42

on Thursday in Dublin.

59:43

And do we expect the homecoming to be

59:46

that I've made peace by then or do we think

59:48

that there's going to be like a fistfight on

59:50

the stage? Well,

59:53

we were discussing this a couple of the journalists

59:55

that are over here last night once we kind of all

59:57

finished their duties for the evening, like could you imagine?

59:59

going back to the team hotel, even

1:00:02

with these people for the guts of two months,

1:00:04

you've lived in each other's pockets.

1:00:06

You have Vera Powell going into a press conference

1:00:09

mentioning that Kayleigh McCabe wanted Sinead

1:00:11

Farley off the pitch and

1:00:13

everyone is just wrecked and kind of just probably wanted

1:00:15

to unwind a little bit what the sort

1:00:18

of atmosphere is going to be

1:00:19

in the room during that. So I

1:00:23

imagine by the time Thursday rolls

1:00:25

around they will all have been instructed to slap

1:00:27

on a smile and all look jovial

1:00:29

and friendly but

1:00:31

yeah it's certainly not the story that we

1:00:33

wanted to be talking about whenever we finished our

1:00:35

World Cup. I'm

1:00:37

definitely

1:00:38

in two minds about this whether or not it's a big

1:00:40

deal or not. It's hard to tell right? Like it's only

1:00:43

a big deal if it continues on. If they've sorted it out and

1:00:45

they both come out and say yeah look we were you know exactly

1:00:47

to that point we've been living in each other's pockets for two months we

1:00:50

had enough of each other we've talked

1:00:52

it out and now we're grand. Or

1:00:54

it's like well

1:00:56

you overstepped your mark you threw me under the bus

1:00:59

I can never forgive you type thing. Either of

1:01:01

these outcomes and everything in between are

1:01:03

on the table for us here.

1:01:05

Yeah the thing is like I didn't think

1:01:07

the initial incident was that big a deal. You

1:01:09

know Katie and Vera have said quite

1:01:11

a few times that they've come to blows over

1:01:13

like what the right thing is due for the team and they both

1:01:16

have very like strong feelings on that but also

1:01:18

they respect each other and you know

1:01:20

whenever they have these disagreements

1:01:22

it's just because they care about the team. I

1:01:24

think that was all fine Katie McCabe obviously

1:01:26

doesn't have the power to tell Vera when to make

1:01:29

substitutes but sometimes players shout out

1:01:31

managers and ask for certain things that's not

1:01:33

all that strange. It was the follow-up

1:01:35

from Vera where she specifically name

1:01:37

dropped a player

1:01:39

saying that that was a player that Katie wanted off

1:01:41

which puts a certain focus on it rather

1:01:43

than just laughing it off given a straight

1:01:45

statement and being like look either the moment

1:01:48

it's fine I don't care. That would have made

1:01:50

it totally different then by her naming

1:01:52

a player and then by Katie tweeting what she did

1:01:54

it just added fuel to this fire

1:01:57

so it could be a case that they come

1:01:59

out in a couple of days. and they say, look, he's the moment sort

1:02:01

of stuff, but it's all fine, water under the bridge. But

1:02:04

I don't know. After I saw the Denise of Sullivan

1:02:06

tweet talking about distractions off the pitch

1:02:08

as well, I was like, this seems like it's going

1:02:10

a little bit deeper in the team, because

1:02:13

the only distractions off the pitch that we had were

1:02:15

kind of related to

1:02:16

Vera. So what

1:02:19

is she trying to say? Well, we did

1:02:21

also have the Columbia thing, which might have been a distraction

1:02:23

for her, where she was rushed to hospital and was crying

1:02:25

in the hospital, worried about

1:02:27

her participation in the World Cup. So that's potentially

1:02:31

one of the things she was referring to there. However, I suspect

1:02:34

that they're talking about

1:02:35

being asked about Vera's

1:02:38

time in America, which predates her time in Ireland,

1:02:40

and on the eve of the World Cup, not being asked

1:02:42

about the World Cup. Just

1:02:45

need to, you know. The other thing

1:02:47

is, Denise of Sullivan was very honest

1:02:49

in her post-match assessment after the game.

1:02:52

I played well, but I didn't play well in the first two games.

1:02:54

And that's true. She has been disappointing

1:02:57

in this World Cup.

1:02:59

I said this several

1:03:01

times when I've been on with you guys, that

1:03:03

most of the time you come off watching a match,

1:03:05

and she is one of the players that you're picking out

1:03:08

as having performed well. And she didn't

1:03:10

those first two games. I mean,

1:03:12

she still performed well, but not the levels of

1:03:14

Denise of Sullivan that we expect. And I think what

1:03:16

you saw last night was that she

1:03:18

was playing in a role that much more suited

1:03:20

her, a role that she much preferred, a role that allowed

1:03:22

her to get on the ball and in those attacking

1:03:24

positions more. And she

1:03:27

was delighted with herself when we were talking to her

1:03:29

about it. You know, she couldn't have been more happy.

1:03:32

And we have been kind of speculating

1:03:34

throughout the World Cup. Oh, maybe she's

1:03:36

still carrying a bit of a knock from that Columbia

1:03:39

game. Maybe she's just not confident

1:03:41

or hasn't hit her stride, whatever it might be. But

1:03:44

it seems like maybe she just wasn't playing in the

1:03:46

right position to actually give herself

1:03:48

the chance to be the Denise of Sullivan that

1:03:50

we all know and love when it comes to

1:03:53

her football. And had she not played in the same position

1:03:55

across the qualifying campaign when she was a standout

1:03:57

for her own first though.

1:03:59

No, she had but she was also able

1:04:02

to get a lot higher forward more

1:04:04

of the time So she had been swapped into

1:04:06

that more attacking role than the defensive

1:04:08

midfield role, which she like

1:04:10

Was for most of this and a tournament

1:04:13

just for context cutting just on that

1:04:15

press conference because I didn't see the press conference In its entirety

1:04:18

when very everyone saying you know if your powers named

1:04:20

the player she had Farley So

1:04:22

what she said was everybody was doing so well was everybody wanting

1:04:24

to take the best player off But did she actually

1:04:27

name check

1:04:28

she had Farley or is the I guess

1:04:32

Assumption that she was talking about you need Farley

1:04:35

No, she made Farley was named checked completely

1:04:37

what she asked Was

1:04:39

it a question who was who the Katie

1:04:41

wants to take it off or was it like unprompted?

1:04:45

It no it was more I think at some

1:04:47

stage She was asked to elaborate a little bit more

1:04:50

on what she meant whenever she said about

1:04:52

the best player No one wants

1:04:54

to take off the best player She was asked to elaborate

1:04:56

on that a little bit more because everyone was like well

1:04:59

Who are you counting that as you know it could have been

1:05:01

several players on the night? And

1:05:04

and then that's when she said it right it

1:05:06

was it was her choice to specifically say

1:05:08

one player

1:05:08

Yeah, but she's asked the question she has to answer it or

1:05:11

like she doesn't have to answer it She could lie, but we do

1:05:13

know she always answers questions

1:05:15

Yeah, but I also don't think you say in a

1:05:18

press conference in that way without putting one

1:05:20

of your play You're selling out one of your players by

1:05:22

going she wanted the best player on the pitch

1:05:24

off because then you're questioning well why

1:05:27

does she want the best player on the pitch off who is the best

1:05:29

player on the pitch is That

1:05:32

like is there a tactical reasoning behind it

1:05:34

like maybe because that's one of the things that

1:05:36

we've talked a lot about with Katie in This tournament

1:05:39

is who's the person that's dropping in behind her whenever

1:05:41

she goes up for it And she made Farley was doing a lot

1:05:43

of that last night so maybe that was the reason why but

1:05:45

like it just

1:05:47

It was at best

1:05:49

poorly word worded and

1:05:51

on thought out way of talking about

1:05:54

it. I think and and like

1:05:57

How much responsibility is king of K bit?

1:05:59

This is the other thing is like, so captains obviously

1:06:02

can say what the hell they want, right? And

1:06:04

it's up to the manager to take on board,

1:06:06

but equally, like, can

1:06:09

they say what they want? I don't know.

1:06:11

Get, get Chinay fairly off. Like, no,

1:06:14

I'm not going to do that. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

1:06:18

Well, see, that's the thing we don't actually,

1:06:20

so we were told, someone

1:06:23

we knew was sitting behind the goal and what they

1:06:25

heard

1:06:26

Katie say was, I, we

1:06:28

should, we need fresh legs. And that's apparently

1:06:30

what she was shouting at Vera consistently.

1:06:33

Now, she might have said something about fairly. I don't know,

1:06:35

but

1:06:36

it's, we

1:06:39

don't know exactly what was said one way or the other.

1:06:41

And that's a really hard thing. Like, I'm

1:06:43

just basing it off what I've been told and

1:06:45

what I know.

1:06:46

I think like a player

1:06:49

can shout on the bench and be like, we need fresh

1:06:51

legs. I don't think that's that big of a deal. The

1:06:53

manager is either going to be like, keep running

1:06:55

or, you know, fair enough. Maybe we do.

1:06:58

But like, if she, I don't

1:07:00

know if Katie's going to be standing on the side of the pitch when

1:07:02

Chinay Farley is probably like a couple of meters

1:07:04

away from her screaming, like, get her off

1:07:07

as well. Like, that doesn't really make sense in my mind,

1:07:09

considering how she was playing at the time.

1:07:11

Yeah. Although I don't think Vera Power is making up

1:07:14

that

1:07:15

she meant Chinay Farley either. So

1:07:18

maybe, maybe they'll have to come out and

1:07:20

confirm this. I don't know. I wouldn't, you know, Penny first

1:07:22

had Farley's thoughts in all this, not

1:07:24

not feeling particularly back to either by captain

1:07:26

or manager.

1:07:28

Yeah, well, it's funny because like

1:07:30

Tony O'Donohue on RTI asked

1:07:32

Katie before this all happens before the press

1:07:35

conference happened. Very innocent question

1:07:37

about Chinay Farley playing the 90 minutes

1:07:39

and Katie said it was great. She was asked the same question

1:07:41

by the newspaper

1:07:43

journalists again before the press conference

1:07:46

happened,

1:07:47

gave similar answers about it being great and the

1:07:49

fact that she's come through so much and it was brilliant

1:07:51

to hear get the 90 minutes. So it's

1:07:53

just kind of funny that in all of this, that

1:07:55

was some of the questions she was asked when

1:07:58

this was the storm was all brewing. like

1:08:00

about

1:08:01

10-15 minutes later whenever the press conference started.

1:08:03

I was thinking during the game it's Elkhartain,

1:08:05

I was like I know Veerapao doesn't rush to

1:08:07

make substitutions but this all happens

1:08:09

and kicks off if you want to use that phrase on 70 minutes.

1:08:12

I

1:08:12

think it's the 83 minutes then when she so she

1:08:15

takes Shiva and Larkin

1:08:18

on

1:08:19

for Liliig and Heather Payne so it's

1:08:22

even at that stage 13 minutes later it's not

1:08:24

Farley who's never in consideration.

1:08:26

I'm not saying that's stubbornness on Veerapao's behalf but

1:08:28

like the subs certainly were slow to come.

1:08:31

Yeah, no they were and this is something that we talked

1:08:33

about last night on the Koi Gag podcast

1:08:35

in the sense that we probably complained

1:08:38

a lot against Canada that the substitutes came far

1:08:40

too early whereas it felt like yesterday they came far

1:08:42

too late to actually make any sort of impact on

1:08:44

the game. We probably did need that change,

1:08:47

not saying necessarily we need the fresh legs but I think

1:08:49

we did need a little bit of a change up around

1:08:51

that 17 minute mark to give us a bit of a chance

1:08:54

because compared to the other two games

1:08:56

where those last like 10-15 minutes there

1:08:58

was a clear like urgency from the team

1:09:00

in terms of heading for goal and trying

1:09:03

to get that win. We didn't really have that

1:09:05

in the same way and I feel like if we had

1:09:07

made some of those changes a little bit earlier we

1:09:10

possibly would have built up that momentum

1:09:12

but again I'm also not paid to be the

1:09:14

Irish manager so. I can

1:09:16

almost I can understand why I know people

1:09:19

are almost splitting into two camps here it's not quite at the

1:09:21

level of Saipan but like I can almost

1:09:23

understand where Veerapao is coming from in that

1:09:26

she is asked the question she

1:09:28

as you say she's going to answer the questions because she generally

1:09:31

does and Katie

1:09:33

like I agree with you I think Katie has every right as captain

1:09:36

to suggest something to a manager maybe

1:09:38

in a respectful way go over and have a little

1:09:40

one-on-one chat suggest maybe she and it should have already

1:09:42

come off if she feels she's getting tired that's

1:09:45

fair enough

1:09:46

but it's the social media stuff and

1:09:48

it's the

1:09:49

carrying on of it I think that maybe

1:09:52

players could stand up and maybe realise

1:09:55

this is going to cause this to stretch

1:09:57

even further.

1:09:59

meant by the tweet, it just totally

1:10:02

added petrol to this whole sort of situation.

1:10:05

It probably would have been like a

1:10:07

talking point and a discussion point, but I don't

1:10:09

know would it have been the same level

1:10:12

of, I mean like I was on the show last night with

1:10:14

Gavin Cooney and Joe

1:10:17

and like I think we spent about 40 minutes

1:10:19

talking about it, but like that wouldn't have happened

1:10:21

probably without that tweet. So it definitely was

1:10:24

a

1:10:25

rash thing to do in the moment

1:10:27

and I like I saw it and I was like

1:10:29

that's gonna be deleted so I'm gonna take a screenshot

1:10:31

of it just to make sure I'm not

1:10:32

going mad or lack of sleep,

1:10:35

but it was still up hours later and I was like well

1:10:37

does it also make it worse then if you do post

1:10:39

it and it's too late and you delete it then

1:10:41

you're kind of saying quite obviously that something

1:10:44

has gone wrong.

1:10:46

So yeah it's just so

1:10:48

annoying like

1:10:50

it just feels like every step of this

1:10:52

world comes, you know we should be sitting here today

1:10:54

this morning reflecting on our tournament, working

1:10:57

out how well it went or

1:10:59

it didn't go, thinking about Vera Powell's contract

1:11:02

in like a footballing context and instead

1:11:04

it's like once again we finish

1:11:07

something momentous, we finish something historic

1:11:09

and there's some sort of rumbling on

1:11:11

scandal, there's some sort of clarity

1:11:14

that needs to come from the team and

1:11:16

it just seems like it's been so consistent over the last

1:11:19

like basically since we qualified

1:11:21

in Scotland like there's

1:11:23

just always been something else to talk about rather

1:11:26

than the football.

1:11:26

That's the point like

1:11:29

this team just yesterday

1:11:31

drew with Nigeria Courtney Brosnan makes a

1:11:33

Gordon Banks-esque save which we should be

1:11:35

talking about and yet it's all hidden because

1:11:38

of a petty stupid little minor

1:11:40

thing that I don't know, it

1:11:42

feels like it didn't have to be public.

1:11:46

No it definitely didn't and I think that

1:11:48

like maybe with hindsight they'll

1:11:51

be able to say that this

1:11:53

is just all heated the moment sort of stuff,

1:11:55

they've had a conversation, it's all fine

1:11:57

but also it's

1:11:58

partly fueled the

1:11:59

as well by the fact that Vera's contract

1:12:02

situation is so up in the air. And as a result

1:12:04

of that, we're asking the players, well, do you want Vera

1:12:06

to stay on? And then we're looking for their reactions

1:12:09

to these sort of things. So it's

1:12:11

just a jumble of stuff that's all

1:12:14

coming to the head at once. And

1:12:16

a lot of this could have been cleared up and dealt

1:12:18

with a long time ago. And

1:12:20

we would have less of an issue now

1:12:22

just after like the day after

1:12:25

we finished our first ever World Cup. Yeah,

1:12:28

well, I guess the FBI are

1:12:30

trying to

1:12:32

play it both ways. They wanted to see what was going to happen

1:12:34

at the World Cup. And if Vera had a sensational World Cup,

1:12:36

then it would have been inevitable that she

1:12:38

would have had to get a new contract. I

1:12:40

think what's happened is that

1:12:43

they haven't had conclusive evidence

1:12:45

one way or another. We've had a better World

1:12:47

Cup that you would expect in a group where there are

1:12:49

two teams ranked as high above us

1:12:51

as them. And it turned out Nigeria might

1:12:53

have been the most exciting team in the group. So

1:12:57

maybe we have underperformed. Maybe

1:12:59

we've overperformed. I guess we won't

1:13:01

know until a new manager comes in and

1:13:04

has the same group of players and either qualifies

1:13:07

us playing a swashbuckling style of football

1:13:10

where Denise O'Sullivan and Katie

1:13:12

McCabe are free to rampage.

1:13:14

You know, it'll be very interesting to see if anybody can

1:13:16

find a way to make that happen. I think maybe

1:13:18

there's

1:13:19

a... Yeah,

1:13:20

well, this is the thing. Like, I don't know, you

1:13:22

guys might have a better sense of it being on

1:13:24

the ground at home in Ireland, but I know I'm getting

1:13:26

loads of messages from people giving

1:13:28

off about the fact that I'm trying to kick Vera

1:13:31

to the curb and how she's done great things

1:13:33

like qualifying us for the World Cup and that we probably

1:13:35

did perform to about the standard that

1:13:38

we could in the matches that we

1:13:40

played. And

1:13:41

this is what I was trying to make

1:13:43

clear last night is that

1:13:45

when I was saying I was uncertain about Vera,

1:13:47

it wasn't

1:13:48

so much the footballing issues. It was all

1:13:50

the stuff around it that I was like, I think

1:13:53

a clean slate is probably needed now going

1:13:55

into the next tournament, if that's possible.

1:13:57

And if there's someone there that can step

1:13:59

in.

1:13:59

into the role.

1:14:01

But like footballing wise, I think you

1:14:03

can look at this tournament and you would be totally

1:14:05

fair to give Vera a new contract

1:14:08

for the next like campaign.

1:14:10

I think she wants to go to the Euros. That's the general

1:14:13

contract length. And

1:14:15

I don't think that would be totally out of the question or

1:14:17

all that surprising

1:14:18

considering what she has done with this team. I

1:14:20

don't think I'm jumping the gun by talking with this

1:14:22

because the I'd be shocked at this stage of

1:14:24

Vera post signed a new contract personally. But

1:14:27

David Kelly is writing in the Irish Independent. I

1:14:29

think mentioning Tom Elms name

1:14:33

as someone who is very popular with the players

1:14:35

and it's just a passing paragraph to be

1:14:37

fair in his piece. But popular with the players,

1:14:39

I guess will be continuity as

1:14:41

well. Like other names being

1:14:43

thrown around the mix already. I know

1:14:45

they haven't even had their homecoming yet. So it is a bit

1:14:47

premature. But like, would Tom

1:14:50

Elms be

1:14:51

be someone that would be a popular choice?

1:14:54

I think you would be a popular

1:14:56

choice. I mean,

1:14:58

we actually did a really good episode of the Coiguig podcast

1:15:00

with them back when we first started. A

1:15:02

really, really interesting guy. Really

1:15:04

he worked with the under 16 team before he

1:15:06

came in to the Irish set up full

1:15:09

time after we qualified for the World Cup. And

1:15:11

one of those people who within the Irish football set

1:15:14

up is very like focused

1:15:16

on what they're doing on the pitch, but also what they're doing

1:15:19

off it. So, you know, he helps

1:15:21

has helped set up structures to make sure that

1:15:23

girls, even if they're going through elite systems,

1:15:26

are still getting like degrees or

1:15:28

getting something that's going to sustain them for the rest of

1:15:30

their career. Because as we know, in women's football in particular,

1:15:33

there aren't a lot of pathways

1:15:35

to go and make like major

1:15:37

money. You're probably going to need a job

1:15:39

at some stage of your life.

1:15:41

He is very popular. I mean, he's the one whenever

1:15:44

a player is going on the pitch and substitute,

1:15:46

he's the one down there giving them their kind

1:15:49

of final words of advice. He he's a name

1:15:51

that I've suggested

1:15:54

to a few people to just see reactions.

1:15:56

And I haven't gotten all that much back from it. I've

1:15:59

also heard Eileen Gleason's name mentioned

1:16:01

in there and I know for

1:16:03

like she is someone who for a long time has

1:16:05

wanted to

1:16:06

be in that coaching setup and is obviously now working

1:16:08

within the FAI in her

1:16:11

women's football role. There's also been some

1:16:13

talk of getting someone in from England but

1:16:15

I feel like that would be a little bit more difficult

1:16:17

because you would probably have to sell

1:16:20

the project a little bit more but

1:16:22

I mean it is an exciting time coming in. Just qualified

1:16:24

First World Cup,

1:16:25

Euros possibly down the line, a couple

1:16:28

of our younger players going into the WSL.

1:16:30

I don't think it's an entirely horrendous project

1:16:32

for someone to take

1:16:33

on. Is it not a brilliant job? Why

1:16:36

would you have to sell it? Well

1:16:39

I just think in terms of some

1:16:41

of the names that are being mentioned

1:16:43

are probably like lower league WSL

1:16:46

teams possibly or like upper

1:16:48

level championship and

1:16:51

I don't know

1:16:53

like taking on an international

1:16:55

job is a very specific thing and some of the names

1:16:57

are a little bit younger than I would

1:16:59

have expected and sometimes that can be

1:17:01

a harder sell for a younger manager I think

1:17:05

especially on the women's side of things and there

1:17:07

is also the side of it that like

1:17:09

I don't know would you want someone coming in

1:17:11

who is going to commit

1:17:14

completely to all levels

1:17:16

of the game in Ireland so that we can make sure that we're

1:17:19

you know growing everything

1:17:21

from the ground up and not

1:17:23

getting to a stage where

1:17:24

we're kind of just like focused on one element of

1:17:26

it and

1:17:27

not having a track of people coming through

1:17:29

the other side I suppose. That's definitely the FAI

1:17:32

and I would agree with you 100% the best thing

1:17:34

for them to do is to find somebody who understands our system and

1:17:37

is committed to growing

1:17:39

it like that's long term exactly what we should

1:17:41

be doing but I

1:17:42

surely it's a very attractive job or have

1:17:45

events over the last couple of months

1:17:47

soured potential candidates from

1:17:50

the UK.

1:17:52

No I don't think it's like that the events

1:17:55

over the last while has soured candidates

1:17:57

from the UK it's just from having general

1:19:51

as

1:20:00

well. Yeah, yeah.

1:20:03

Yeah.

1:20:06

Yeah. Courtney as well. Definitely. I mean,

1:20:08

player of the match last night, it was actually a really nice moment

1:20:10

whenever it was announced. It was after the

1:20:12

game ended, which is kind of unusual. And the team were

1:20:14

having their huddle and beer with Katie were given

1:20:16

their speeches and

1:20:17

it was announced over the PA and everyone

1:20:19

just kind of started jumping on top of Courtney

1:20:21

and spraying her water bottles. And

1:20:23

I suppose we haven't had a lot of opportunities to

1:20:25

get really excited and celebrate because

1:20:28

we've only had that one goal. So it was nice that that

1:20:30

was kind of the final moment that the team had

1:20:32

together

1:20:32

on the pitch before leaving. Is

1:20:35

this your final dispatch?

1:20:38

It is my final dispatch. I was saying to Cameron

1:20:40

before I came on, I'm glad you can't see my room

1:20:42

currently because I am trying to put three weeks

1:20:44

of clothes and some that severely

1:20:46

need a wash after the three weeks in

1:20:48

my bag. So I'm flying out tonight. So it's

1:20:51

about six o'clock here

1:20:52

and I fly at 10 to 3 a.m. So 10

1:20:55

to 3 a.m. Oh, my God. Not

1:20:58

the nicest time to be flying. But at least you can sleep

1:21:00

and sleep and sleep and then come back refreshed. Yeah,

1:21:03

exactly. I arrive in Dublin, I think at 8 a.m.

1:21:06

Wednesday night. So it's not too bad. If

1:21:08

anyone wants to organize me, you know, a big homecoming, all

1:21:10

my fans. Yeah.

1:21:11

Well, there is a funny possibility

1:21:15

that I am on the team

1:21:17

plane, which would be kind of hilarious coming

1:21:19

in Dublin. I think at that stage, I would just be like, what

1:21:21

up trying to like, get

1:21:22

out of the bag. No, no, no, no. This is the greatest reporting

1:21:24

opportunity of all time. Pay for the Wi-Fi

1:21:27

and live tweak the interactions. That's exactly

1:21:29

what should happen.

1:21:29

Yeah. That has been the running joke.

1:21:32

You just imagine the feeling in

1:21:34

the airplane coming all the way down from

1:21:36

business class to my economy seats. You just

1:21:38

be like, oh, can I just go through those curtains there? I just

1:21:40

want to track something really quickly.

1:21:42

Catherine, you are our player of the tournament. One hundred

1:21:44

percent. Great work. Great World Cup. Congratulations.

1:21:46

Well done. Safe home. Thank

1:21:48

you very much, guys. Well done. Thanks

1:21:51

a million. You said to someone that

1:21:53

is, you know, like, what's the Australian version?

1:21:56

Is that hello or goodbye or both? I

1:21:58

think it's like, adios. Ciao. Ciao.

1:21:59

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1:22:04

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1:22:13

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1:22:15

is with us. Lindsay, good morning to you. How are you?

1:22:18

Morning, how's it going guys? The

1:22:21

Dublin Kerry rivalry has

1:22:24

never been a rivalry in the women's football

1:22:26

final before

1:22:27

and it's upon us. So

1:22:29

was this what everyone expected at the start of the

1:22:31

season, do you think?

1:22:34

Maybe not the start of the season. I think with Dublin,

1:22:37

like I think the changes that they've had

1:22:39

within the squad this year. I

1:22:41

think even a mix of himself at the beginning of the

1:22:43

year, if you said that they're going to be an All-Ireland final,

1:22:46

maybe not. I think what's

1:22:48

impressive has been just their performance

1:22:50

throughout the season. I feel like every game they're

1:22:52

kind of learning and getting better and look,

1:22:55

Kerry came off the back of an All-Ireland final

1:22:57

last year, league champions this year

1:22:59

and you know, for me,

1:23:01

I think they're the team to beat. But

1:23:04

look, Dublin Kerry in years

1:23:06

gone by, they've always brought out the best of each other, especially in the men's

1:23:09

and I think we're in for an off the cracker.

1:23:11

I think I remember you saying to us before Lindsay, talking about the

1:23:13

transition and fears

1:23:17

in maybe the last year or two that, you know, if Mick

1:23:19

stepped away or if a number of those senior

1:23:21

players stepped away that there would be a bit

1:23:23

of a transition period, but that hasn't come to pass and

1:23:25

which I guess has been massively important that

1:23:27

you have that experience.

1:23:29

Yeah, it's amazing. In fairness, we

1:23:31

lost so many players over the last two years and

1:23:34

there was probably question marks whether Mick

1:23:37

was going to stay on and had he stepped

1:23:39

away, he probably would have been fearful. But

1:23:42

look, what

1:23:43

he's after doing to the team this year, like I

1:23:45

said, 14 new players in

1:23:47

on the panel compared to this time last year.

1:23:51

And I don't know, against Cork at

1:23:53

the weekend, they just looked really strong, really

1:23:55

fit, kept the scoreboard ticking over.

1:23:58

I think technically Mick got his match-up spot.

1:23:59

on. Yeah, and they're

1:24:02

very impressive.

1:24:03

Was it a jump up in performance against Cork

1:24:05

as well? Like, I mean, Shane Rene,

1:24:07

the Cork manager, even after the match was saying I thought it was Dublin's

1:24:09

best display of the season and it wasn't the Dublin

1:24:12

that they'd been analysing in the previous few weeks. So

1:24:14

that, I guess, would hint that the

1:24:16

performance levels from Dublin just went up a

1:24:18

notch, I guess. Yeah, like

1:24:20

I said, I think they've been kind of just building

1:24:22

a niche performance. So they did a very

1:24:24

impressive win against Mead in the

1:24:27

Lancer final, but for me I think they left

1:24:29

a lot of scores behind them.

1:24:32

But even their shot score ratio at the

1:24:34

weekend, I think they scored 28 or 27 scores

1:24:37

from play. So shot score ratio of

1:24:39

74% compared to Cork, I think were 5 at 17, so 29 from play,

1:24:41

you know. So I think just

1:24:47

all over the pitch, they really up to performance.

1:24:49

Abi Sheehy has the three amazing saves.

1:24:52

Jen Dunn was in flying form against Hannah Looney.

1:24:54

They did a great battle in the middle of the park and

1:24:56

then up front, look, you have Karla

1:24:59

Ohana Tearle, have been their top

1:25:01

score throughout the season and they walked away with

1:25:03

one two. So I just think all

1:25:06

over the pitch, everyone was really at

1:25:08

the top of their performance and, you know,

1:25:10

I suppose there was a bit of statement of intent

1:25:12

as well, like the questions I've been asked

1:25:14

of them. You could even

1:25:15

see with Jen Dunn's reaction after

1:25:17

the game, she's kind of very emotional and speaking

1:25:20

about how they have been kind of written

1:25:22

off this year. So I think for them, it just goes to show

1:25:24

how much it meant to them to get back to a final.

1:25:27

Incess and pressure on the court kick out as well, Lindsay,

1:25:29

I think one of the key, I guess,

1:25:33

points in the game that really led to the Dublin win.

1:25:36

Yeah, absolutely. Like they really

1:25:38

stepped up in the forward line and I think

1:25:40

that's somewhere where they'll definitely look to target

1:25:42

against Kerry now in two weeks' time.

1:25:45

I think even the battle against Hannah Tearle

1:25:47

and Roisin Phelan was

1:25:50

really good. But

1:25:52

yes, when I

1:25:54

think was it Hannah, like I think Roisin

1:25:56

kind of did really well to keep her quiet. But yes, you

1:25:58

know, Hannah got a great intercess.

1:27:59

championship, I feel like their performance has dipped.

1:28:03

You know, a quarter with them in the monster,

1:28:05

they beat them then in the monster final. Obviously,

1:28:09

there's an absolute crack of a game with Kerry

1:28:11

and Dublin in the group stages. But

1:28:14

even their last two games, you

1:28:16

know, against Mead and again, against

1:28:19

Mayo at the weekend, I feel their second half

1:28:21

performances, they both dipped now, like

1:28:24

against Mead

1:28:27

two weeks ago, like in fairness to conditions where horrendous

1:28:29

Kerry

1:28:29

only got one point in the second half. And

1:28:32

what was it? Six points this half against

1:28:35

Mayo at the weekend. So I think for them, that's an area

1:28:37

that they will look to go after. But

1:28:40

look, Louise Murr-Hersick has

1:28:42

just been in phenomenal form for them. One

1:28:44

ten at the weekend, four from frieze and even

1:28:47

that group game that they had in Parnell Park

1:28:50

against Dublin, I think she walked away with one six. So

1:28:53

I kind of feel like it's kind of a

1:28:55

match up like the men, the very similar teams and

1:28:57

how they play. But I think

1:28:59

if Dublin can

1:29:01

minimise Louise impact, kind of like

1:29:03

David Clifford, I don't think you're going to get an indication

1:29:05

from the game completely. I think if you can

1:29:07

minimise Louise's impact in the game and try

1:29:11

and stop some of this fireball intro, then I

1:29:13

think Dublin have a very good chance of winning.

1:29:16

There was a nice little bit of

1:29:17

needle in that game in Parnell Park. Yeah,

1:29:21

so we should expect a little bit of needless in a fortnight's

1:29:23

time as well.

1:29:24

Oh, 100 per cent. Yeah. And look,

1:29:26

that's what you want to see. I think in that game,

1:29:29

after

1:29:30

the final with I think Dublin very

1:29:32

unlucky to win. I think a

1:29:34

ball dropped in over Abby's head and look, it turned

1:29:37

out to be the score to change the game. But

1:29:39

even towards the end, Dublin were really battling

1:29:41

on. They finished really strong against Cork at the weekend.

1:29:45

So I really think this

1:29:47

is going to be the game that we want to see when I walked

1:29:49

away from Parnell Park that day. I was like,

1:29:52

I really hope these are the two teams that we

1:29:54

see in the final.

1:29:55

The, I guess, chance

1:29:58

to play a four something as well.

1:29:59

Lindsay is big on the Kerry side because even their

1:30:02

joint manager, Darryl Long, after the match

1:30:04

making the point that Chief O'Shea, their captain,

1:30:06

has been a

1:30:07

bit of an inspiration in the dressing room. Crucial

1:30:09

injury, the end of her season, and it's,

1:30:11

by the way, a second crucial injury in recent years for

1:30:13

Shea for as well, which is really tough to take.

1:30:16

But clearly someone who still is a leader in the dressing

1:30:18

room. So sometimes that can help the team having something to play

1:30:20

for.

1:30:21

Yeah, absolutely.

1:30:24

It's one of those injuries, Crucial, that you wouldn't

1:30:26

wish on anyone for, Chief, for just the

1:30:28

second time around doing this. And look,

1:30:30

especially when you're a captain as well, she's

1:30:33

going to be a leader with it in the camp.

1:30:36

And it's just unfortunate for them. Like she is

1:30:38

a massive loss. And look, I suppose it is

1:30:40

great that she is still having

1:30:42

a contribution in the dressing room. But

1:30:44

for them, I think the last time Kerry won

1:30:46

in all of Ireland was back in 1993, if

1:30:48

I'm right. So I'd like to know for them

1:30:51

being a massive team and 30 years later doing

1:30:53

it again. And it's

1:30:56

funny because like Louise and my heartache,

1:30:58

I have such respect for her. I think she's an unbelievable footballer

1:31:01

and I really would love to

1:31:03

see her in all of Ireland, but unfortunately just

1:31:05

not at Dublin's expense this time around.

1:31:09

Yeah. Because even she forgot the golden, she in Parnell Park

1:31:11

in the game earlier in the year, like

1:31:13

along with Louise, the more her take of course, she's

1:31:16

a key figure. So a key miss as well for Kerry in that final.

1:31:19

Yeah. 100%. And

1:31:22

lucky even you'd see the rest of girls

1:31:24

stepping up. Hannah, Donna, who's going to be a big player for

1:31:26

her. She walked up to three points at the weekend. Daniela

1:31:29

Leary in full forward line as well. So I'm fair as

1:31:31

they still have a really strong full forward

1:31:33

line, but yeah, she was definitely going to

1:31:35

be a massive loss for them. I

1:31:38

was really hoping that there would be a draw in the

1:31:40

men's game because it would have been a whole weekend

1:31:42

of Dublin Kerry,

1:31:44

the men's on the Saturday and then the women's on the Sunday.

1:31:46

It could have been two extravaganzas.

1:31:48

Oh, it would have been amazing. Dean

1:31:51

Roth might disagree with us now considering

1:31:53

his weekends on and the riding.

1:31:56

But geez, I would have really set it up for a cracking

1:31:58

weekend,

1:31:59

wouldn't I?

1:31:59

What did you make of the final?

1:32:02

It was really enjoyable. Again,

1:32:05

I thought Dublin got their match up spot on. Simon

1:32:07

did really well on Clifford. I

1:32:11

just love Dublin Kerry battles. I think they

1:32:13

really do bring out the best of each other. I

1:32:16

was very fortunate back in 2011, Brian

1:32:19

Cullen was the captain back then. When they beat

1:32:21

them, he brought the Samoan Warrior back. So for

1:32:23

me, I always really look forward to Dublin Kerry battles.

1:32:26

The weekend was no different. It really came down to the

1:32:29

wire. Tough conditions

1:32:31

in Croker. I think any time Croker

1:32:33

is kind of wet, it can really make

1:32:35

things a bit difficult. But

1:32:37

look, I was just delighted to see Dublin clip

1:32:40

over a few points at the end to win it.

1:32:42

Fingers crossed the weather is a bit better for

1:32:44

the women's final. Good

1:32:47

chance for it to be another record crowd. It's been a while,

1:32:50

obviously, since we've had those record crowds. But nothing

1:32:52

gets those fans and the bandwagon rolling

1:32:54

like Dublin Kerry.

1:32:56

Yeah, 100%. The fact

1:32:58

that Kerry are back in it, Dublin are back in

1:33:00

it now after a two-year break. I really

1:33:02

do hope that the crowd come out and support

1:33:04

them. Wouldn't it be amazing if we were

1:33:06

able to top the record attendance of 56,000 this

1:33:09

year?

1:33:10

Lindsay, good stuff. Thanks a million for joining us. Cheers. No, thank

1:33:12

you. So, Lindsay Davy giving us some thoughts

1:33:15

on Dublin Kerry Mark 2 for

1:33:18

the women's final in, as I said, 11 days, 10 days

1:33:20

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1:33:49

Show from Off The Ball. Paddy,

1:33:52

can you just describe what we're watching there in the middle

1:33:54

of the field? You're going to start crying, aren't you?

1:33:59

Ah yeah, Fitsy,

1:34:03

Macar and Dino out in the middle of the pitch. Oh

1:34:13

man, big vitamins

1:34:15

there lads. Jesus Christ, Clifford is

1:34:17

an animal and he's going to have unbelievable

1:34:20

days again. Fitsy

1:34:22

out there, look the tree boys. And we don't know

1:34:24

what the plans are for anyone here. Let's pray

1:34:26

for another day but

1:34:29

all season we're in Dublin you just got a

1:34:31

sense that the boys are going to make this happen

1:34:34

and you might see all these guys again. We don't know that.

1:34:37

They don't know anyone anything. Look

1:34:39

at the guys who were massive. Manion coming back today,

1:34:42

outstanding five points. Cluckston

1:34:44

clipping two-frees. Kerry coming after

1:34:46

on the kickouts. He was immaculate

1:34:48

again and Fitsy on Clifford. You

1:34:51

didn't fancy it Jimmy and to be fair not many people

1:34:53

did but I know that

1:34:55

man. I've known that man for nearly 20

1:34:58

years. I've played him for about 15. He

1:35:01

just has it way about him. He was just not

1:35:03

gonna lose that battle hands down and some of the

1:35:05

moments he puts Clifford under pressure but I'm

1:35:07

looking at those three guys in the middle of the pitch.

1:35:09

Who knows if we'll see them all again

1:35:11

but I'll tell you what even if we don't, they

1:35:14

don't know anyone anything but what a special day

1:35:16

and Kerry are a brilliant team. They

1:35:18

were great champions but I

1:35:21

just got the feeling all here the Topps are gonna make this happen

1:35:23

and thank god they've done it in

1:35:26

the end. So many critics these pundits. Generally

1:35:29

speaking I'd be a fan of off the ball. Exactly and

1:35:31

like Tommy there was a football officer listening to the football at

1:35:33

the outside. When I was looking at the power rankings and I

1:35:35

thought that Jesus almost still be feeling the effects of these

1:35:37

motions. They just dismissed you like you know you

1:35:39

have nothing to do with the bloody occasion.

1:35:44

Tommy,

1:35:46

good morning to you.

1:35:47

Morning Jeremy, how are we?

1:35:50

We're good how are you? Very

1:35:53

good. That clip of Tommy making

1:35:55

Patty Andrews cry. You're gonna cry aren't you? It was like the the

1:35:58

x-factor sub stories.

1:35:59

I should go on and cry. I

1:36:02

shouldn't have said it because when I said it, I realized

1:36:04

there was already a tear rolling down his cheeks. You

1:36:08

were just thinking of the views. Yeah, look,

1:36:11

it was great to actually record there.

1:36:14

I know it was the

1:36:16

immediate after full time result of emotion. Very

1:36:19

hard to process a game straight

1:36:21

away. So

1:36:24

a lot of that podcast on Sunday is

1:36:26

emotion and tributes to Clucks

1:36:28

and the McCarty of its Simons. And

1:36:32

yeah, yeah, it was great. It was actually

1:36:35

it was great to see that as well. That

1:36:37

you know, we all get caught up in the emotion of it, but I think it's

1:36:39

different when it's your teammates

1:36:42

or your brothers or your sisters

1:36:44

as you know, players that feel

1:36:46

when they're looking at their the big days.

1:36:48

The hand of the shoulder from from James Adonohue as well.

1:36:51

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Classy

1:36:54

touch from James. He's a classic guy. Magnominous

1:36:57

in defeat. He held up his hands. He got one or

1:36:59

two calls wrong this year. So

1:37:01

yeah, desperation. But hey,

1:37:04

that's such fine lines. My God. Well,

1:37:07

it is such fine lines, but it's not fine lines that

1:37:10

I

1:37:11

like that I didn't predict that we're going to be the

1:37:13

number one by five months ago. Tell me not

1:37:16

such fine lines. Hands up. Congratulations.

1:37:19

Not too late now. You

1:37:23

got a lot of nerve to

1:37:25

say you are my friends. You just want to be on the side that's winning.

1:37:28

That's what that's what we're looking at. We listened to inside. By

1:37:31

the way, a little bit of positive for

1:37:33

treatment, Bob Dylan. Okay. The

1:37:35

word there were efforts went there to get on. She had

1:37:37

on with us this morning and have a formal

1:37:40

I guess handover postmortem

1:37:42

on Kerry. But I don't

1:37:44

want to still on there. You're going

1:37:46

to ring him. He's unavailable unavailable.

1:37:48

Come here. And it was it

1:37:51

was Fitzsimons

1:37:53

Rock and who was on the on the pitch

1:37:55

there? McCarty. McCarty. And

1:37:58

I

1:37:59

only heard.

1:37:59

I heard Ashling's interview with Dean Rock afterwards,

1:38:02

just how close Rock and McCarthy

1:38:04

are. Rock was talking about he really did not want to

1:38:06

replay. I better kick this because

1:38:09

if there's a replay, my wedding's got to be scotched. His

1:38:11

wedding is the week after next, I think. And

1:38:15

James McCarthy is going to be his best man.

1:38:17

That's how close they are. But then, so I was just

1:38:19

looking back because at the end of Dean Rock, we kind

1:38:21

of, you know, he hasn't been in the team this year, but

1:38:23

his career, absolutely ludicrous, like

1:38:26

absolutely sensational. So he

1:38:29

won,

1:38:32

where's the five? Just lost it here. He started

1:38:34

his first league match for Dublin in 2015,

1:38:37

after which he participated in 63 consecutive

1:38:40

league and championship games.

1:38:41

Yeah, that's insanity. Yeah,

1:38:44

it's remarkable. Yeah. And

1:38:46

so there's going to be a sleuthing out of the system.

1:38:49

Somebody,

1:38:50

somebody said to me in all seriousness

1:38:53

in the pub afterwards on Sunday night, who

1:38:56

is a massive, who knows everything

1:38:58

about Dublin football. Those won't even win

1:39:00

Leinster next year. I was like, I mean,

1:39:03

what? No, seriously,

1:39:06

straight faced, full celebration. They're

1:39:08

not even going to win Leinster next year. This is the

1:39:10

end. This is the end. I

1:39:13

like, who knows what's going

1:39:15

to happen in the off season? Like who could have predicted

1:39:18

what happened this year?

1:39:19

Like who could have predicted? Manion and McCaffrey coming

1:39:21

back in October was at Gilroy

1:39:24

in mid-March, Pluckston

1:39:26

in late March. It was hard to

1:39:28

believe what was going on. And it was such a

1:39:31

mental manic season that it was difficult

1:39:33

to process it and to say they're

1:39:36

going to do what they're

1:39:39

going to do. Like they didn't just add

1:39:42

a little bit extra to the team. Like that entire alert

1:39:44

was won by Pluckston, Manion,

1:39:47

McCaffrey's impact off the bench. Manion Bischell

1:39:49

who's come back to the panel this year,

1:39:52

like his second half. Why

1:39:54

would any of them leave? Now, it's such a personal

1:39:56

decision. Like there could be any amount of reasons

1:39:58

for going. They've done everything. But like, Jason

1:40:01

Carti was going around flaking fellas. That

1:40:04

man could do that for another five years. Stephen Clarkson

1:40:06

was 42. He was kicking 45s and frees from behind.

1:40:09

Do you know, like he got 23 out of 23 kickouts away. 100% accuracy.

1:40:14

Why would he go? Michael Fassilins did

1:40:16

a man-macking job in David Clifford and did exceptionally

1:40:19

well. He had a very good season all

1:40:21

year long. Like

1:40:24

there's

1:40:24

no reason that any of them

1:40:26

have to go. It's just, we don't know what's

1:40:28

going to happen in the off season. We have no idea what's

1:40:31

going to happen to the dubs. But Jack McCaffrey, I felt, said

1:40:33

it afterwards in his post-match interview at

1:40:35

the banquet with Joanne Cantwell. He said, don't

1:40:38

make a mistake here. We didn't come back to add

1:40:40

another couple of medals to the pockets of lads that were

1:40:43

full of them already. We came back here to

1:40:45

show the younger lads

1:40:46

how to win in all Ireland.

1:40:48

By God, have we seen just

1:40:50

how good those lads are. And he said the next

1:40:52

boys coming through

1:40:54

are even better than what we were. That's the point.

1:40:56

It's not true though. I

1:40:58

hope not. I hope not. If they are

1:41:00

better, then we're splitting Dublin in two. Three.

1:41:04

Sorry, three. If they lose Rock, he wasn't

1:41:06

playing. If they lose Cluckston, Comerford

1:41:08

comes back in. Granted, McCarthy

1:41:11

would be,

1:41:12

and someone like Brian Fenton were to

1:41:14

leave. Or one of those lads who are

1:41:16

on the level below with the 30 kind of... Well,

1:41:19

the 29, 30-year-olds who are that

1:41:21

Fenton, Davey Byrne, that era,

1:41:24

there's talk that many of them are

1:41:27

considering taking a year out at least.

1:41:29

And look, I don't know. Maybe they are,

1:41:31

and you can totally understand it. Maybe they do what Brian

1:41:34

Howard did,

1:41:35

and they travel until January,

1:41:37

and they come back. And that's what everybody...

1:41:40

Go now. Got

1:41:44

it done. Even Howard said, would

1:41:46

you guys yesterday morning, how surprised

1:41:48

he was when he got back at the standards that he walked into. Now,

1:41:52

it's difficult to process it, but what does that say about the Dublin

1:41:54

of the last two years?

1:41:57

And like, I heard Brian Fenton speaking.

1:41:59

afterwards as well and

1:42:01

the hurt that they felt over

1:42:03

those two years of falling short, like

1:42:06

they lost my point in two All-Ireland semi-finals.

1:42:08

Like the standards couldn't have been that low,

1:42:11

you know? They could not have been that, they weren't that

1:42:13

far away. But it was just obvious that we weren't

1:42:15

watching the Dublin that we saw in,

1:42:18

that felt like 15 yesterday, that

1:42:20

All-Ireland final win. They did the right things, they did

1:42:22

just enough and they pulled away going down the stretch.

1:42:25

It was a very, very impressive performance in Dublin.

1:42:28

I felt like

1:42:29

they really went for it.

1:42:30

I actually felt in 2019 watching that All-Ireland

1:42:33

final, the first one, that history

1:42:36

seemed to impinge them a little bit. There was

1:42:38

a very young Kerry siding that 2019 All-Ireland final. Coopula

1:42:41

sent off early, Kerry should have won that day. Kerry

1:42:44

should have held on that day and it felt like

1:42:46

the weight of that five in a row

1:42:48

was on that Dublin squad. They

1:42:49

were chasing history again yesterday.

1:42:52

Like it was such a motivating factor

1:42:54

for so many of those players to see James McCarty,

1:42:57

Mick Futs-Simons and Stephen Cluckson walk up and

1:42:59

collect their nine dollar an hour medal. I do

1:43:01

not underestimate how much that hurts Kerry as well. That

1:43:05

their

1:43:06

eight dollar an hour medal has been surpassed.

1:43:10

Now in 2020 they were taking level

1:43:12

and now at the weekend there's a new club

1:43:14

of nine an hour and a winner. So history

1:43:17

was there again this weekend. It was unbelievable stuff.

1:43:19

It was

1:43:20

an unbelievable performance.

1:43:23

Yeah, there was a number of that Dublin

1:43:25

team that maybe, because if you'd said before the game, Conor

1:43:28

Callahan would be held scoreless. A

1:43:30

couple of them would have off days. You're thinking, right, this is Kerry's

1:43:33

to take. But like

1:43:34

there's just something about that

1:43:36

last five minutes of a game because we often

1:43:38

talk about the Dublin third quarter, but

1:43:40

both Monaghan and Kerry

1:43:42

nullified to a degree that

1:43:44

Dublin third quarter in the semi-final and final and yet

1:43:46

towards the very end of the game

1:43:48

the experience came back in. Why are you smirking there, Jar?

1:43:51

I'm reading Kevin O'Brien's tweet from the other

1:43:53

day. The whole country wanted Dublin to lose today which

1:43:55

makes it just much better. Don't be jealous

1:43:57

just because when you're open just to eat all you see is your local.

1:43:59

Maxel Garridge deli bleeding cultures.

1:44:07

What's wrong with the Maxel Garages? Yeah.

1:44:12

It's great to see them winning, Tommy, isn't it? As a mead man and

1:44:14

a cadaire man beside me here as well. You must

1:44:16

be both absolutely delighted. I know, look,

1:44:18

yesterday I carried Dublin all Ireland final. All

1:44:21

you want is a great game. Like, that's not

1:44:23

make any bones about it. Kerry won 38 all Ireland. You

1:44:25

can't be as neutral like... You

1:44:28

know, as a neutral yesterday, I just wanted

1:44:30

to see a great game. We didn't

1:44:32