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Gavin Cooney is with us this morning. Gavin, good morning. How

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0:55

I think we should start with the football, although

0:57

it's hard to talk about anything other than Sinead O'Connell this

0:59

morning. She's

1:01

on the front of every newspaper and it's like

1:03

a proper global news story. I

1:07

suppose it was one of those Irish people

1:09

who

1:10

made it outside of Ireland really quickly, very early

1:12

on and seems

1:14

to have had a massive impact outside of

1:16

Ireland and then obviously inside of

1:18

Ireland, too. Speaking truth to

1:20

power in the early 90s was not something that many people

1:23

in Ireland were doing, but she

1:25

did it and she did it incessantly.

1:28

And just reading stuff, because I wouldn't

1:30

have remembered any. I wasn't old

1:32

enough to remember at the time all the stuff in the early 90s. And

1:35

I would assume that Ireland

1:37

kind of official Ireland condemned her. But

1:40

the point at which the official

1:42

America condemned her as well was really interesting. I

1:44

mean, there was that. I

1:47

only saw still images of it. I mean, to go

1:49

back and find that if there's footage of

1:51

where she, a couple of weeks after she rips the

1:53

photo of the Pope on Saturday Night Live, goes

1:56

on stage at a Bob Dylan tribute gig

1:59

and it's just roundly big.

1:59

And there's these pictures of Chris

2:02

is a Chris Christopherson comes out puts

2:04

her arm around her and basically stands there Like

2:07

gay burned it in the late late show a few months later And

2:10

then she eventually you know ran off and was kind of overwhelmed

2:12

by it There's a real there's these amazing

2:14

quotes of defiance after it's saying

2:17

I didn't ruin my career I ruined their career

2:19

as in the record companies and so forth But

2:21

you know that you know that we had an

2:23

Irish person of like extraordinary global talent

2:26

that will be remembered for integrity and her bravery

2:29

That is a great legacy at that time as well

2:31

when she ripped the photo on SNL Joe

2:33

Pesci I think was the guest host the

2:35

following week or very shortly after and he condemned

2:37

her massively like and Pretty much

2:39

attacked her like it's actually Available

2:42

to see online and that was at the height of Pesci's

2:44

fame and influence that was around good fellas and home alone

2:47

So everyone would have listened to him and he was you know staunchly

2:49

Catholic and how dare she do that? So

2:51

yeah, she was you know castigated by the superstar

2:54

So she had to put up with a last like and then to

2:57

have to pop that iconic cover as well

2:59

to Prince's song Amazing really

3:01

I know like also she's a star worth of reading in the years

3:03

if you're a fan of the show like every time Early 90s she

3:05

appears in nearly every episode and an interview

3:08

with gay burn too is brilliant There was a good like chemistry

3:10

between those two, but she's such a huge part

3:12

of Irish culture isn't she that's 30 years. Yeah

3:15

absolutely, um Indulge

3:18

your YouTube wormhole today and

3:20

go down it and spend as much time as you want I

3:22

like it's just heartbreaking really and

3:24

then in the context of that like oh, let's talk about the

3:26

football. It's kind of You

3:29

know, I don't know. Yeah, this

3:31

is a glorious triviality of sport Yeah,

3:34

but it's still I mean the point you

3:36

still right to be disappointed after yesterday

3:38

I think yeah and in the not just in

3:40

the context of that but in the context of you

3:42

know Ireland going to the World Cup is It's

3:45

kind of was an impossible dream. I'm a lifetime

3:47

thing. Yeah, look, hopefully

3:49

it's not now Potentially

3:51

it is But it's still

3:54

I know you feel a little it might seem a little bit churlish

3:56

after 50 years of you had not You

3:58

know not being able to dream even of

3:59

playing in a World Cup to then be disappointed

4:02

that it's over in six days. But it is

4:04

okay to be disappointed because Arnaud

4:06

got a tough, tough, really tough group.

4:09

They could have, they played reasonably well, they could have done

4:11

some things better, they did some things well. But

4:14

it's

4:14

still okay to be disappointed that that wasn't enough.

4:17

And not in a kind of a Roy Keane, you know,

4:20

if you're happy with the Sing Song to go home, it's

4:22

actually never achieved anything. That sense really is just kind of disappointing.

4:27

Yeah, it feels like we prepared as well as we

4:30

possibly could in most aspects. I

4:33

think maybe we were a bit unlucky with the Denise Sullivan injury. She

4:35

hasn't played to her potential. And we

4:37

needed everybody to like smash it in terms

4:40

of their own performances if

4:43

we were going to get out of the group. And yet we still got pretty

4:45

close to getting a point on the first

4:47

day against the host nation who

4:49

are top 10 team in the world. And we came pretty

4:51

close to getting a point yesterday. Yeah, we got hoarse

4:53

with the draw. I mean, we got two

4:56

of the world's top 10. I think that's the only group in

4:58

which that's been the case. And you're looking at

5:00

Group A with New Zealand who are relatively

5:02

weak, hosts Philippines, Norway,

5:05

with this kind of amazing circuits, but

5:07

not a proper football team at this tournament. You

5:09

think we did get really unlucky with the draw.

5:12

So hello start of the game yesterday.

5:16

And like with the Heather Payne late withdrawal

5:18

too, that would not have helped matters at all. But Anya

5:20

Gorman did very well at the start. And it was her ball

5:22

down the right flank after three minutes for Lucy Quinn. And

5:25

you're saying you're shouting to Quinn on TV like first

5:27

time swinging in. And it was just a low cross into

5:29

Caruso who had a brilliant first half. Like

5:32

Buchanan was, I'd say, delighted to be with the

5:34

break because she would not leave them

5:36

alone like it was everything that wasn't happening

5:38

against Australia. She was trying to do

5:40

exactly what she actually achieved against Canada, which

5:42

is hiring the defenders and pressing them. And like,

5:45

let's be clear, that's a star-studded Canadian defense

5:47

that they have, certainly in the clubs they represent.

5:50

And you have Caruso who did an incredible

5:52

job of fronting her own and they couldn't handle her. And

5:55

as a result, they only got a good few chances and then just

5:57

scored directly from the corner. But how mad is it? Now

6:00

for the last week, people have been talking genuinely about

6:02

McCabe being close to scoring directly from

6:04

corners. Well, like twice against Australia. You look very

6:06

close to it, like, in fairness, you see something

6:08

happen a good few times, like, oh, one of these is going to

6:10

go in. I know, but to keep on going and going and

6:12

trying it again, like, I don't know if McCabe

6:15

all three times that she, the two times she nearly scored

6:17

and the one time she did, is directly going for

6:19

goal. I'm sure she's just whipping it in to the 60-yard

6:21

box and causing havoc, but like, as soon

6:24

as that left her foot, I was thinking, this is a great

6:26

chance. But she knew it. Like she was away. She

6:28

was really away too. She took

6:29

like one step to check the angle, you know,

6:32

like a golfer stepping out of a bunker to get a side

6:34

of the ball dropping onto the green. And then she

6:36

was just like, oh, that's it. I can keep going here. I

6:40

think she completely meant it. Definitely. And

6:42

it's also, I didn't realize it was these goals

6:44

are called an Olympic. I saw

6:46

Kathleen telling Joe that and Joe didn't know and I didn't

6:48

know. No, I... She said it confidently.

6:50

I must challenge her on that now. She definitely knew that confidently. And

6:54

it comes from 100 years ago, 99 years

6:57

ago, some Argentine guy whose name

6:59

I've cannot remember

6:59

scored directly from a corner against Uruguay.

7:03

And it's called an Olympic because they were the Olympic

7:05

champions at the time, which is obviously Canada's

7:07

status in the women's game at the moment. So it's a pure

7:10

Olympic. In a way, like a pure hat

7:12

trick is right foot, left foot header.

7:15

This is pure Olympic. So Kate

7:17

McCabe will always, will always have that. It

7:20

was Ireland's Ronaldinho moment, the World Cup

7:22

straight in. And there will always be the question, did she

7:24

mean that would be the next question, you know, when she's interviewed in a couple

7:27

of months time. Did she actually mean that, Kate, when the bus decided?

7:29

No, obviously you say yes. Well, I mean, did Ronaldinho say yes?

7:31

I still don't think that's an obvious answer. Kevin MacMahon said yes. That's

7:33

what's important. Oh, yeah, totally. And then McCabe

7:35

had her, you know, speak up. Zaria

7:39

on Zari. Yeah. Speaking of

7:42

Ireland captain performances, like it was

7:44

reminiscent of Roy Keane against the Netherlands in 2001,

7:46

that second half, where she picks the ball up on the right

7:48

flank and

7:49

cuts inside to... I think it was four Canadian

7:52

defenders she went around.

7:53

And afterwards was a 20-a-dunner who asked her an RT,

7:55

was like, were you tempted to go down for a penalty? She said,

7:57

I don't know. She wanted to score an amazing goal.

7:59

And she was so close. She did say that had

8:02

there been contact. I had to be glad that they would have gone down, Tony,

8:04

but that was done. And

8:06

even when it took that little deflection, I thought it was going to sneak

8:08

in, bottom corner. And there was a moment afterwards,

8:10

too, where she lost the bottom of the field, but won it back, and it

8:12

was pure hustle. And then she shot from distance

8:14

and it went over. But you could see she was trying to grab the game

8:17

as much as she possibly could, like Keene

8:19

against the Dutch. Like, it was an incredible performance, and

8:21

not one that personally deserved to be on the

8:23

losing side. But Ireland did not warrant

8:26

getting anything from that game. Canada was so much better

8:28

than the second half.

8:29

Yeah. Sorry, I thought you

8:31

were going to put in. Sorry. I think one all

8:33

at half time was an injustice. And then

8:35

it ended up in 4-1 to Canada all the time.

8:37

I'm thinking, ah, you can't really argue with that. They did

8:40

create a lot of very clear-cut chances. And

8:42

we didn't really. Even

8:44

in the first half when we played well, scored

8:47

the magnificent Olympic gold.

8:49

Cure Cruise had a one-on-one that was blocked. Yeah,

8:51

Toph Angle. Were there any other? Sinead Faraday had the

8:53

outside of the right body, which Sheridan

8:56

put behind for a corner. And was

8:59

it Denise or Sullivan had a poor enough shot from

9:01

distance by her standards technique wise? Yeah.

9:04

Or in a whole lot of shots. But I thought Canada were so poor in the first half, especially

9:06

their final third passing. With respect, though, right? We always

9:08

get hammered in international football, and it always finishes 1-1 or 2-1.

9:12

That's what happens. We draw games that we're supposed

9:14

to lose against teams who are better than us.

9:16

Like, no one ever,

9:18

with the exception of 2012, hammers us in

9:20

these games, right? Yeah.

9:23

Under the relatively small sample size that is out

9:25

of the World Cup, you can't argue with that, no.

9:27

And most of the other tournaments.

9:30

Sorry, the Belgian's hammered us as

9:32

well. Demrec?

9:34

Well, it's not our Demrec's playoff. Oh, no.

9:37

That doesn't count. That's

9:39

not real. So

9:41

Virapau, it seems in the papers,

9:44

it's like there's just this acceptance

9:47

from the people who are out there that there won't be

9:49

a new contract, that this is the end

9:51

of the Virapau era now in the game against Nigeria.

9:53

Is that the right thing to do?

9:56

Yeah. I mean, in one sense,

9:58

it's very strange. MiraPete

10:00

has clearly done a very good job as our

10:02

manager and says that she's got to do a bloody World Cup for

10:04

the first time ever. I think it's kind of hard to

10:06

say then, you know, farewell,

10:10

we're going to move on without you.

10:12

But you have to say that the effort

10:14

I haven't given her a contract yet.

10:16

Which is unusual from... Well,

10:18

this is what we usually do. We usually have... Here's 10

10:21

year agents. Yeah. You can tie this

10:23

down way ahead of time. And

10:25

a bonus.

10:28

Mick obviously got

10:30

his secured before the World Cup and then had to be torn

10:32

up within two games after it.

10:35

The RFE have been doing this for years. I

10:37

think Eddie O'Sullivan and Declan Kidney. I'm just

10:39

going off memory there. But

10:42

yeah, so

10:43

you were using the word before the FBI's

10:45

newfound maturity and letting this play

10:47

out and see how it goes. But I

10:50

kind of think she should stay. She

10:52

has done such a good job. I can't help but

10:54

speaking of rugby comparisons. It's like

10:57

figuring out how and Joe Schmitt,

10:59

the similar impact. I mean, obviously Schmitt

11:01

achieved so much like in the grand

11:03

stage, but it's the way that Powis has turned us into

11:05

this credible kind of systemic

11:07

team almost like that we have. We're

11:09

very tough unit to break down. And I know we've lost those two games,

11:12

but it is like against Australia and Canada. They're

11:14

way better sides. Look at them on paper. Look

11:16

at the players that Canada brought on a half time alone

11:19

versus what you were able to bring on. So in many

11:21

ways, as a unit, we're performing above what

11:23

we should, but it's the individuals that we lack. The

11:25

Schmitt comparison I mean is that, you know, he

11:28

was so tailored to a system that there was very little room

11:30

for individual creativity. And maybe that's the

11:32

negative point of Vera Powis approach

11:34

to things. And you feel that there is maybe a lack

11:37

of innovation and space

11:39

to kind of create. But at the same time,

11:42

perhaps we just don't have the talent, especially

11:44

in the final third to be able to do that. But I

11:46

think we should be very happy with what

11:48

Powis done for the site. Kenny the dad says,

11:51

Vera Tropitone.

11:53

Yeah, that's the one I hear more. I

11:55

just need to be more positive. I don't think

11:57

she

11:58

I don't think she looks down the players.

11:59

like the way Trappadoni did. No, I

12:03

don't think she does. She diagnosed them more

12:06

accurately and is less, you know. My

12:08

back five is slow. I mean. Yeah. That's

12:12

one number more than Trapp would have said.

12:14

Yeah, but the back

12:16

five is slow, but they are qualities at the same time is what she's

12:18

saying. I think that she

12:21

believes in the players.

12:22

I think there's a different honesty. I

12:24

do. I do think that she believes in the players more. And

12:26

it seems like she's actually believed in the players

12:28

more and she spent more time with them, that the

12:30

performances were a bit more front

12:33

foot than I

12:34

had expected. Definitely yesterday. Yeah.

12:37

Yeah. And so that's a sign that you trust your

12:39

players a bit. Unless the player is just like doing

12:41

a Paris. But they were coming from a low base. Like, I mean, they barely

12:43

crossed the halfway line until they went behind against

12:45

Australia.

12:47

Yeah, I know, but they nearly nicked the jaw at the end against Australia.

12:49

Yeah. I mean, like, they didn't have a corner till the 70s minute

12:51

and then they'd half a dozen. So they did get there eventually.

12:53

I mean, that's classic iron that a world called performance.

12:56

Back against the wall against superior opposition. And

12:58

then when you create chances, it really fits

13:00

in nicely to going back to that

13:02

reading in the years moment. If that queen glancing header

13:04

got in against Australia, that's a classic Ireland one all. Yeah.

13:07

And that first half display yesterday, if

13:09

there was one or two more chances, and obviously

13:12

a goal or two scored, then

13:14

you're talking, like, what a tournament Ireland have had. It's

13:16

kind of fine margins. The only disappointment was

13:19

how quick the Ireland fade in the second half and

13:21

how Canada were. I think Joel said

13:23

to Kathleen on the World Cup show yesterday,

13:26

kind of reminded him of Limerick Harliss at the moment,

13:28

like, all right, lads, we're going to create down the first half. Let's

13:30

actually start playing the second half. And that's kind of what happened.

13:33

Who is going to be the new manager?

13:35

I don't know. The

13:37

interesting thing about power is that I thought

13:39

that there might be a bit of a slightly more fraught

13:41

debate as to whether we should or

13:44

shouldn't extend the contract. But like

13:46

you said, there just seems to be a general error and all

13:48

the reporting around it is that it's, this

13:50

is probably done now. Yeah. Maybe

13:52

you move on. And look, in fairness, it's

13:54

more opinion than reporting because no one's actually said that they've

13:57

spoken to anybody off the record or on the record or

13:59

it's just like...

13:59

Her contract looks like it won't

14:02

be renewed. Yeah. Although she wanted it

14:04

to be. Yeah. Opinion is kind of often informed

14:06

by a

14:07

bit of knowledge of what's going on in the background. OK. It's

14:12

a more attractive job now? Massively attractive.

14:14

I'm a massively attractive job. This

14:17

is now like, if you take the Ireland job, you're walking

14:19

into a team that has

14:20

legitimately world class players

14:22

in Katie McCabe and in Denise O'Sullivan.

14:24

The sad thing is that we haven't really seen that from

14:27

Denise O'Sullivan or the World Cup. You still

14:29

get the sense that you're on an upward

14:31

trajectory. You mean that your first

14:33

game could potentially be, sorry, it

14:36

feels kind of harsh, the power's still on the job. But if there

14:38

is a new manager, their first game would be

14:40

at the Aviva, which you would hope

14:42

would get a, you know,

14:44

well, they obviously will aim to set it out, but hopefully get like 35,000

14:46

plus for that. And

14:49

you've got a team that kind of has a really

14:51

good shot now, draw depending on making

14:53

the euros look. Sorry, is this not really premature

14:55

to talk about the end of Europe how? No?

14:57

I mean. My personal opinion

14:59

is yes, but

15:02

there's a general vibe out there. But even

15:04

the vibes in the case,

15:06

the Nigeria game could be your last game.

15:08

Yeah, but like who's going to be the manager for the Aviva

15:10

friendlies G's? Like Mick McCarthy got two games

15:12

after the 2002 World Cup. Now

15:15

they got to the last 16. Yeah, but. And it leads me to think,

15:17

are we going to get to any of it? It didn't work

15:19

very well. The entire next campaign

15:22

was a write-off after that. That's what I mean.

15:26

I don't think there's a write-off question

15:28

about Po. She's clearly going to continue

15:31

to have this really good system in place. I don't

15:33

think we're going to fall off a cliff. We don't really do that under Po. Last

15:35

couple of years. I just think it's a bit premature.

15:38

Also, like I'm also thinking, are

15:40

there going to be a homecoming here? Like, are people going to come

15:42

to see these players when they come home? There is going to be a homecoming, yeah.

15:44

Dublin City Council are putting that on. Good

15:47

question here from Mark Dunning. Given we can't qualify

15:49

now, should wholesale changes be made for the last game to

15:51

give everybody the opportunity to play in a World Cup?

15:54

Or do we go all out to win the game and

15:56

play our best 11?

15:57

The former.

15:59

I think you can.

15:59

I think you have to give them what you gain. Oh yeah, I

16:02

think so. I mean, like,

16:04

one of the issues around this, well, it's not

16:07

really my personal opinion, it's just like, there's

16:10

very clear segregation between first team and second team.

16:12

The moment that the first team flew out to Australia a

16:14

day in advance, because that was the only

16:17

way that everyone could get on business class, so the

16:19

top players went so they'd have an extra day to

16:21

acclimatize. I think, given

16:23

it's so historic, the Ireland go to

16:25

first World Cup, that is such a big thing to be involved

16:27

in. I

16:29

think you give players their shot at

16:32

playing in a World Cup rather than just going along. And

16:34

if we get hammered five or six now? Sure, we

16:36

don't get hammered in World Cups. I know, but I refer

16:38

to you. I know, we don't put our previous

16:41

common feeling. The B team either, though.

16:44

I think you rotate a bit, yeah, and

16:46

I think it'd be brutally harsh on some of the players

16:49

who've come through what they have, thinking particularly

16:51

of Chloe and Miss Dackey, and then just to go and sit in the

16:53

bench for three games. Don't think that's fair.

16:56

So, make five or six changes? Keep,

16:58

keep Katie. Oh, yeah. I'm

17:01

not going to go ahead. We're not going that bad.

17:03

No, totally, yeah. Courtney Brosnan.

17:06

Yeah, no, yeah, keep Courtney

17:08

Brosnan, keep Katie McCabe and the team. But,

17:11

yeah, rotate beyond that. Do you think the result

17:13

against Nigeria is going to determine

17:16

how the future?

17:17

I think the point... I think

17:20

the vibe across the papers and across all the

17:23

opinion formers is that... It's

17:25

got to... It seems to be done. I'm probably

17:28

getting ahead of myself a little bit there, but I don't

17:30

know... I'm

17:31

trying to get pumped for an ill, but it won't happen.

17:33

Maybe that changes things, but... And

17:36

look, I mean, things could change very quickly afterwards.

17:38

On the way home, they might decide, actually,

17:40

this has been a great experience. There's

17:43

something building here. They take soundings from the players

17:45

who afterwards go, you know what,

17:47

this relationship is

17:50

hard, but good for

17:52

us. Mutually beneficial. Yeah. And

17:55

we should stick with it. And

17:56

there is a risk. I mean, if the FBI do want to

17:58

change up... There is a risk, because like

18:01

you say, I mean, how does guarantee Ireland

18:03

a certain base level of performance

18:05

and thus achievement? And it just comes down to

18:07

do we need, it becomes a conversation like we've

18:09

had with the men's team for a long time. Yeah. Do

18:12

we need to add something more to this that gives us more

18:14

in an attacking sense? There's a ceiling there

18:16

for sure. And I don't get a sense of huge

18:19

warmth from the squad towards her, but maybe that's just her

18:21

style. I look that as effective to a certain degree,

18:23

but

18:24

yeah, there's a ceiling that's going to be hip, but I don't think we're

18:26

there yet. All right.

18:29

Kathleen McNamee is with us. Kathleen, good morning

18:31

to you. How are you? Morning,

18:33

guys.

18:33

I've been enjoying this conversation the

18:35

last few minutes. I have many thoughts. Well,

18:38

spill the beans. I

18:40

agree with Gavin. I don't think

18:42

Vera is going to last past the World Cup. The

18:46

vibe on the ground is very much that

18:48

she's won her course at this team. I

18:51

think there's a few players in there who

18:53

wouldn't be too sad to see the back of her either.

18:56

She's like,

18:57

yeah, she got us here and she's done that.

19:00

But I think especially with all

19:02

the controversy that there's been as well

19:04

over the last couple of months, I think

19:06

the team need a clean slate. It's been such

19:09

a bumpy ride

19:11

into this World Cup. I think

19:14

the players are tired as well of

19:16

answering questions on behalf of the

19:18

management team and having to go through those

19:20

things. I think the

19:23

substitutions that she made last night

19:25

and the way she put out the team shows that maybe

19:28

she has reached a bit of a ceiling with a

19:30

side. And I also

19:32

think we have to go out and win that Nigeria

19:34

game 100%. That should be the aim.

19:36

Like, no, we shouldn't just be putting players onto

19:39

the pitch. Getting that win is so

19:41

important for this team, I think. Maybe

19:44

substitutions later on in the game, but I wouldn't be going

19:46

to make any wholesale changes.

19:48

Okay, there's a lot in that.

19:51

Is there an obvious candidate

19:54

list? Are people talking about a

19:56

replacement already?

19:59

Like the talk on the ground out here very

20:02

much has been like what's going to happen

20:04

because I think even before the team went out to

20:06

Australia, there was a feeling that unless

20:09

something really remarkable happens

20:11

during this World Cup, it possibly would be Vera's

20:14

last campaign with the team. Her self

20:16

has said that, you know, she wants to stay on,

20:18

but the way things have

20:21

around to a bit of a halt before they even went

20:23

out to the tournament in terms of talks and

20:25

I honestly just like nothing of Vera the last couple

20:27

of weeks. I think she herself is exhausted

20:31

from everything over the last couple of months. You know, she

20:33

hasn't had that wannabe

20:35

that she's had around her for a long time

20:38

and

20:39

I feel like some

20:41

of the players when you ask her about

20:43

her now, the responses are getting a

20:45

lot less in static and

20:47

a lot more surface level

20:50

and you know, there's no one

20:52

on the team running out to say we absolutely

20:54

want Vera to continue on past this World Cup

20:56

and I think that's quite telling.

20:58

Yeah, there's definitely been an absence

21:01

of the ringing endorsements

21:03

at various stages and there's been effective opportunities for it to happen.

21:06

Well, famously, well I say famously, but

21:08

most notably Katie McCabe sitting beside her at

21:10

Tala before

21:12

the France friendly after

21:14

all those, after the athletic article

21:17

kind of reheated all those allegations from the

21:19

Houston dash time that were put in that NWSL

21:21

report last December. I

21:24

think there's definitely respect there, but there wasn't

21:27

a full throated. We're 100% by Vera here.

21:30

Why are you fake news media talking about this rubbish

21:32

to distract us ahead of the World Cup, etc, etc. Yeah,

21:36

even the post-match interview yesterday

21:38

McCabe

21:39

with Tony Donahue was, you know, effusive

21:41

in her praise, but her teammates and how great they were and Kathleen,

21:43

I think you talked about it in the World Cup show that you

21:46

know, her individual performance in the second half is extraordinary,

21:48

but only helped by her teammates, which is what she

21:50

said, but at the same time she eventually

21:52

got to the point that like, well, also

21:55

big credit to the staff because it's a collective

21:57

effort, but there's no mention of the manager there really explicitly.

22:00

Do you get the feeling, Kathleen, that Pao

22:02

is

22:03

kind of hurt or

22:04

disappointment by the squads approach

22:07

and feeding towards her? Is she the type

22:09

of character that really won't care about that and it's her

22:11

way or the highway?

22:14

I definitely think she's

22:16

her way or the highway type of manager.

22:19

I think that if you look at the way

22:21

the squad, like exactly what you were saying there, the

22:23

way the squads had talked about her

22:25

previously compared to how they talk about her now,

22:27

like I don't think I interviewed a single person

22:30

or heard a single person last night pull

22:32

Vera out for what she had

22:34

given the team or how she had set up the team. It was

22:36

all the team talking about themselves or

22:38

talking about other players. I think

22:42

if the whole thing ended badly with her,

22:44

I do think there would be some hurt there. But I

22:46

think if it's a case of everyone saying, okay, we've

22:49

just come to the end of this journey, where

22:51

do we go from here? And you guys are right, there is the

22:53

last question around, well then who takes

22:56

over? But I do think this team needs something

22:58

fresh going into that nation's league, possible

23:01

Euros qualification campaign. Well,

23:04

I think there's just been too much that's gone on

23:06

and there's too much baggage over

23:08

the last couple of months for Vera to stay

23:11

on. And I get the sense

23:13

there would be a bit of disappointment

23:16

if he did stick around for a long

23:18

time. Like maybe they will give her the Northern

23:20

Ireland game in terms of just having like that big

23:22

kind of homecoming game and you know,

23:25

one big hurrah. But I

23:27

would be surprised if she stayed

23:29

from what I have heard on the ground

23:32

here.

23:33

Okay. Now

23:35

that the dust has settled a little bit on the performance yesterday,

23:38

is there anything that we could have done differently in that second half?

23:40

Do you think? And

23:44

Nash made a substitution at

23:46

halftime. I didn't understand that. I thought Lucy

23:48

Penn was doing a really, really good job.

23:51

I think that for me, a lot

23:53

of the substitutions didn't make a whole

23:56

lot of sense. It felt like Vera had

23:58

read some of the criticisms. in

24:00

the lead up to this game about not using

24:02

certain layers and then threw

24:04

a lot of them on. I know we did like tactically change things

24:07

up a little bit but it just felt

24:09

like we had found a system in that first

24:11

half and we should have stuck

24:14

with that for like a little bit longer before

24:16

throwing the bucket things. In

24:19

fairness to Canada I think their substitutes came on and

24:21

did incredibly well and really dictated the game but

24:24

like Emma Byrne was pointing out on Koigig

24:26

last night that

24:27

that central midfield area was so

24:29

important for them and whenever they brought

24:32

in Kristian City player and

24:34

we took out Lucy it

24:36

left us like a little bit lax

24:39

there and that we didn't have the we

24:41

weren't able to like let say the likes of

24:44

Farley and Sullivan run

24:46

right the way that they had been in the first half. So

24:49

I think there's definitely

24:51

questions to be asked about the personnel

24:53

changes and why they came when they did

24:56

and I mean like the last 20 minutes in play

24:59

we were just kind of a one-woman Katie

25:01

show. I think she was trying

25:03

to single-handedly drag

25:05

us into the Nigerian game with something

25:08

still to play for. We

25:10

just don't have the deck we don't have the deck that Canada

25:12

have you look at the players that they brought off the bench

25:15

you know none

25:16

of them

25:17

are the sort of players that you would turn your nose up at.

25:20

I thought here Caruso was so good in

25:22

the first half and really

25:25

really showed what she was capable of and played

25:27

the role that we wanted to see from her in

25:29

this little cup but she just doesn't have

25:31

the speech of someone

25:33

like McCabe like there was one moment in

25:36

the second half when McCabe and Quinn were battling

25:38

in midfield and somehow McCabe

25:40

got the ball away and like a beautiful turn

25:43

and that's when she got the shot off that looked like

25:45

it was going to be a McCabe screener. If

25:47

you had a player up front who could do

25:49

something like that who could get themselves away

25:51

from those tricky situations I

25:53

think that it would make a big difference for

25:56

us in terms of where we get our goals so I think

25:59

it was a depth issue.

25:59

mainly that's all us

26:02

not have that's been applied so we needed

26:04

when

26:04

it mattered most. Kathleen what formation

26:07

should this Irish side be playing based

26:09

on the personnel? Million

26:14

dollar question. I

26:16

think what we saw in the first half

26:19

yesterday is probably as close

26:21

as we will get to a

26:23

formation that suits the way the team plays.

26:26

I think that when you have players

26:28

like Taneid Farley you can hold

26:31

the ball as well as she does in those central

26:33

areas and then also McCabe

26:35

on the links. There was a couple of balls going from Lucy

26:37

Quinn over to McCabe on the

26:39

other side of the pitch which were just absolutely

26:42

sublime. I think

26:44

if we can get a system like that

26:46

that works get Caruso firing

26:49

a little bit more and I

26:51

think it would be really beneficial to this team

26:53

in terms of how the personnel

26:55

that we have and how well we can play.

26:58

I think bring Mangan into that team as well in

27:00

terms of getting a bit of pace up from the back and a player

27:03

who can you know keep

27:05

the ball at her feet really really well isn't afraid

27:07

to take on defenders. I think if

27:10

we had a player like her in this tournament we probably

27:12

would have got a result from either of these two

27:14

games that we've played.

27:15

And like Shorty pushed making

27:17

Kanli up further yeah because

27:19

it feels almost like more of a

27:21

classic play.

27:23

Yeah so like if a player

27:25

like Mangan came in that would free Kanli to go up

27:27

into her usual position. I mean

27:30

like she said it herself when we challenge her

27:32

or Mervea it's not a role she particularly enjoys

27:34

playing but she

27:35

does it because you know that's what's required

27:37

over in the team. Yeah

27:39

I would

27:40

be interested to see if a new manager

27:42

came in would they stick to the kind of Mervea

27:45

power by the last 80

27:47

days on the wing not

27:49

being pushed further up the field or would they

27:51

change it up a little bit? Are there

27:54

any potential candidates obvious

27:56

at the moment or is this one of those

27:59

We hire a global recruitment specialist

28:02

team who go

28:04

the whole way around the world and then find somebody who's working

28:06

at an atmosphere at the moment.

28:09

From what I've heard, there's not a shirtless

28:12

at the moment. It'll be interesting

28:14

to see how they approach it in terms

28:16

of the fact they got beer and fowl in on

28:19

quite a decent wage. And that was just two

28:21

connections in the FAI. So it's going

28:24

to be interesting to see what they do

28:26

if they do decide to change things

28:28

up. What's your final review of Perth

28:30

as a place? It's

28:36

interesting. I

28:40

told out that your remantle and stuff is

28:42

really nice. The weather has been approaching since we have

28:44

been here. The city itself is

28:46

really, really quiet. I

28:49

talked to a lot of Irish fans yesterday who were

28:51

all a bit in shock, I think, after going

28:53

from Sydney to Perth in terms of vibes.

28:56

A lot of people say they were very excited to

28:59

get out, but also no disrespect

29:01

to any Corinthians who may be listening and I

29:03

maybe just didn't see the right

29:04

parts of your city. It's basically

29:06

like Port Leech. I know it's a paid vacation. I

29:10

quite like Port Leech though. There you

29:13

go. You wanted to have a go, Kathleen, for comfortably knowing

29:16

more about football than you? That's what your

29:18

story was earlier on about the Olympic go?

29:21

What? What? I was

29:23

watching the World Cup show, which was Helliff and

29:25

Joe, and I was like, Joe, I was

29:27

like, it's an Olympic go? What? You

29:31

knew about this beforehand. I had never heard about this at

29:33

all. Can I have a second about it too beforehand? Sorry.

29:37

Yeah, I think it was actually one of the proudest moments

29:39

of my career that I knew a sporting term that Joe Manoy

29:41

did not know. I thought it was really

29:43

common

29:44

knowledge. I didn't think it was this weird

29:47

sort of thing. Olympic goes are relatively

29:49

common in women's football, so maybe that's

29:51

why. There's been a couple of very good

29:54

ones over the years and big tournaments. I

29:56

think in the Euros last

29:58

summer, I saw one or two. So maybe that's

30:00

just where I knew it from, but I'm glad I could educate

30:03

you all.

30:03

Just look back, I think this will be, yeah.

30:05

I mean, the arrogance of the arrogance of the state

30:08

with the cold hot and the coffee in the background,

30:10

like this is where I'm not very well. Come here, did

30:12

Katie McKabe- I was

30:13

gonna say like, forget, cover my first

30:15

ever World Cup, forget any of the rest of it, get

30:17

and see the first ever gold. This is the highlight,

30:20

this is the true

30:20

honor. Forget everything I said last night. Did

30:23

McKabe mean to score? No,

30:26

not at all. Oh, what? Not a chance. What?

30:29

Why is she kicking it in the direction of the gold if

30:31

she's not trying to score?

30:34

Well, like, as in, she was trying to get

30:36

the corner in, but she wasn't trying to score.

30:39

And like, we asked her about it last night and

30:41

she kind of sheepishly was like, yeah. Like,

30:43

she wasn't. Sorry, the consensus down

30:46

here is that she definitely wasn't from everyone I was

30:48

talking to. She was like, oh, because of

30:50

the wind and the rain, she didn't really, she

30:52

was trying to like judge how to get it

30:54

in. And

30:56

she, when we asked, she was just like,

30:58

yeah,

30:59

of course I was trying to do it, but you can see in her eyes she

31:01

was in this experience. Just trying to get that on the end

31:03

of someone's head. Those words are good enough for me. Yeah,

31:05

I think, I believe her. Sorry,

31:08

if we end up going to our first women's World Cup, Kathleen, and

31:10

we only score one gold, we can't come home saying we

31:12

didn't mean to score it. We have

31:14

to. It's not accidental gold. Not

31:16

to kind of throw out all the ethics that you're missing, et cetera,

31:19

and print the myth and not the truth, et cetera. But

31:21

we can't come home saying we didn't mean to score that gold.

31:24

I mean, I know

31:26

she meant to score, but as she wanted Ireland

31:29

to score, I'm just not sure if she entirely

31:31

intended that to herself. It's

31:33

all very, you know, judgmental.

31:35

I'll live in the dream

31:37

world for a couple more days. I was,

31:40

yeah, I think I blanked out for most of that,

31:42

to be honest. All of a sudden the game was started again,

31:44

and I was like, did we even celebrate that gold? I can't remember.

31:47

Kathleen, good stuff. Chat to you later. Thanks

31:49

a million. Bye guys, have

31:51

a good morning. Kathleen back to me live from Port Leish

31:53

this morning, and then a past date. Some

31:57

of the quick things we talked about, Jamie McGrath, Wigan

31:59

didn't pay him.

31:59

a couple times last year and so therefore he's available

32:02

as a free agent now. Don't blame him. Had

32:04

been in Scotland. Wasn't it? Was it Dundee United he had

32:06

been at? And as soon as he was playing regular he

32:08

was back in the Irish team, you know. So Stephen Kenny wanted to

32:10

pick him. So Scotland has

32:12

been gutted. Maybe he'll end up back there.

32:14

Has definite use in the Irish team. So good

32:16

for him to get out of Wigan. Yeah. Okay. And

32:19

then Killian Mbappe has decided not to

32:21

speak to the club in Saudi Arabia. This

32:23

is a good political move from

32:25

Killian Mbappe who sometimes makes bad political moves.

32:27

Yeah. Look, I mean, for him Mbappe, like he hadn't relegated

32:29

himself to a lower level of football

32:32

and returned for boatloads of cash in almost a year.

32:34

So it's obviously good that he's

32:37

on a journey of personal development. It's

32:39

such a weird story. It's

32:42

such a weird story. It makes

32:44

no real sense that he would go

32:46

there other than just for

32:48

the money. The PSG

32:51

are hilarious around it. I

32:53

mean, he was going to go to Madrid for free last year

32:56

in a position of weakness and desperation.

32:58

They had granted this huge two year

33:00

contract effectively seemed to make him

33:03

a kind of a pseudo sporting director while they did

33:05

it. And now he's talking about I'll

33:07

see at my final year of my contract

33:10

and then go to around Madrid and PSG are saying, you

33:12

can't do exactly what you said you would do. This is

33:14

an outrage.

33:16

Yeah. Sorry. He's not playing at all. You sounded a football

33:18

as it is. Yeah. I know.

33:20

I mean, whatever, but the political aspect and the morality

33:22

issue,

33:23

he's not testing himself anyway. I

33:25

suppose at least he's in the Champions League. Yeah. But

33:27

like how many games that like the group stages don't matter

33:30

really, like even if you have an elite

33:32

team, a final in middle COVID.

33:34

So, you know,

33:35

but that's a, you, you have few examples, but

33:37

for a player on to that esteem, like McRan

33:40

said, he's a national treasure to be protected at all times.

33:42

We seem about half a dozen times a year. Yeah.

33:45

But the French is afraid the French team. They see him

33:47

every week. They play extraordinary games. There are

33:50

other teams that they play much rolling

33:52

through games. Yeah. But like, it's like,

33:55

you know,

33:56

not every league has a 15, 16.

33:59

18 teams who are good every week. If

34:02

he's one of the best ever he should be playing at

34:04

the highest level

34:05

and he's nice So everybody should always just try

34:07

and join Real Madrid That's how you know you could have a

34:09

number of teams. Also Manchester United, also acceptable

34:11

on your list Take

34:15

a play you can play for a number of clubs that's not PSG.

34:18

It's too easy for him

34:19

And FIFA on amateur level. Okay, Jordan

34:22

Henderson training, of course in Saudi Arabia yesterday

34:24

This is this whole thing is weird

34:26

now

34:27

Like obviously we've gone through the kind of

34:29

the moral rights and wrongs of him leaving but

34:31

so he is left He's like he's now training with

34:34

a new team. He's filmed this video. Did you see

34:36

it last night? He got this kind of Kind

34:39

of expensively produced video of him reading

34:41

a farewell script in the Anfield dressing

34:43

room and walking kind of solemnly around the empty

34:45

ground Liverpool haven't announced it yet.

34:48

I kind of interested in like his

34:50

clap has loved this guy, you know and Clap

34:54

seemingly put a lot of noses out of joint

34:56

above him to give him a contract extension

34:58

a couple of years ago And now

35:00

that money back and yeah, I'm a

35:02

clap I would imagine it's been a little bit betrayed

35:05

so we haven't seen anything on the Liverpool website You

35:07

know when Roberto Firmino left there was they did

35:09

this kind of 10-part HBO farewell

35:12

documentary series So he produced his own and

35:14

it's not official from the club just yet. No, they

35:16

haven't announced anything yet So weird and

35:18

did you ever find pep Guardiola's goodbye

35:20

to Barcelona

35:22

when he was a player though,

35:23

it's mad There's like a similarly produced

35:25

video which I don't know why I saw I

35:28

might have been one of those UEFA

35:31

produced magazine shows around the Champions League.

35:34

It's like I never saw this at the time, but it's

35:36

very

35:37

like I'm very important around

35:39

here and and Didn't

35:42

he went to join you today? I think Russia. I think

35:44

Russia Then he go to the Middle

35:46

East it Did

35:47

he yeah, that was the beginning of it all. Yeah,

35:49

I think you went to the plane cutter Right

35:53

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35:55

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the break, Linda Gorman on Ireland's exit

36:17

from the World Cup. First here's Kathleen chatting with Katie

36:19

McKay post-match.

36:20

Katie,

36:23

you gave Ireland possibly one of the greatest moments

36:26

in their history with that goal. I haven't

36:28

had time to see the reaction back home yet but everyone was

36:30

absolutely elated. What was that moment

36:32

like for you? Yeah,

36:35

I mean we looked at obviously our set pieces.

36:37

We know we have a lot of area threat

36:40

and it's up to myself and Megan whether she decides

36:42

to make sure we're putting it in those areas. I

36:45

was obviously delighted to see it hit the back of the

36:47

net. There was a lot of wind and rain as well

36:49

so it made it difficult for the keeper. Yeah,

36:53

you're kind of in a bit

36:55

of disbelief to be like you've just scored the first

36:57

goal. But at

36:59

this level it's all about results and of course

37:01

it's a nice moment. But

37:03

yeah, I'm absolutely heartbroken in terms

37:06

of the results and where it's left us in the group. What

37:08

was your words to the team at the final

37:11

whistle as captain, as the leader

37:13

of this team? What were you saying? Just how

37:15

proud I am of each and every single player. It's

37:18

not been an easy journey to get here as

37:20

you all know. The highs

37:23

and lows of the last few weeks, players missing

37:25

out, players getting injured. It's

37:28

been a real journey for the team and

37:30

for the way the girls have held

37:33

themselves throughout this whole few

37:35

weeks and starting against obviously

37:38

Australia and then tonight as well. I

37:40

was just so proud of them and for us

37:42

now it's about regrouping, keeping

37:45

the positives from these games and making sure

37:47

we give the nation something to be really proud

37:50

of and hopefully we can end this tournament with

37:52

a win for them. The support out there was absolutely

37:54

incredible tonight. I think only at one stage did I

37:56

hear any Canada chants. What would

37:58

you like to say to all the fans that have travelled?

37:59

Well honestly the fans here tonight

38:02

in Perth, it felt like

38:04

we were home in Dublin in Tallah Stadium.

38:06

It was absolutely incredible from the

38:09

minute we started singing the national anthem. It was

38:11

like we all had goosebumps. It was honestly

38:13

the stuff of dreams. You could even say it

38:15

was even better than the night against Australia

38:18

because it was so close in it. The fans

38:20

cheered us on from

38:21

start to finish and

38:24

we're just so grateful for them being so far away from

38:27

home and then making it feel like Raxia

38:29

home in Dublin in Ireland. It was incredible and

38:32

we are all to the fans because they've

38:34

really made it special for us.

38:37

OTPAM

38:40

The sports breakfast show from off

38:43

the ball. Right, Linda Gorman is

38:45

with us. Good morning, Linda. How are you? How

38:47

are you feeling?

38:47

A bit

38:50

disappointed. As

38:53

a player, a bit disappointed. Overall

38:56

with the game, it didn't really go for

38:58

us in terms of

39:02

their shows were more effective than ours

39:05

and we had a magnificent

39:08

start. You couldn't want for anything better.

39:10

Sometimes though when you score a

39:13

goal early, you're under fierce

39:15

pressure because the other team wanted to bombard

39:17

you. But they didn't actually do that for quite

39:19

a bit of the first half yesterday

39:23

simply because the style we were playing

39:25

and the way we were playing was just

39:27

a dream but we couldn't sustain

39:29

it.

39:30

OTPAM Is the value of

39:32

qualifying for tournaments like this hopefully

39:34

going to be seen now over the next couple

39:37

of years where we realise that there are

39:39

periods of a game where we can take

39:41

the game to the opposition and we don't have to be conservative?

39:44

Well, the way I would

39:46

look at it, we have 23 players in the squad

39:48

who've had the experience of the World Cup. Now

39:51

they're going to influence an awful lot of

39:53

young players of

39:55

the level that you need to be at to be playing

39:57

and there's no better people as role

39:59

models. to be able to get

40:01

that across to a lot of people

40:04

that, okay, I'm the best as the

40:06

country thinks, but I'm not good enough

40:09

really at this level. So we need to

40:11

do something from a grassroots

40:13

level.

40:15

That's the legacy.

40:17

In terms of the game itself yesterday, right? Is

40:20

there anything we could have done differently, do

40:23

you think? Well, we all

40:25

know how good Denise O'Sullivan is, you

40:27

know, and she didn't have a best game

40:29

in my eyes. And it's just my observation,

40:31

not, you know, criticism of her. She

40:34

sort of rushed the ball a bit. She'd be somebody

40:36

that we'd be pended on to play those

40:38

penetrating balls. She didn't

40:41

seem to settle on the ball as

40:43

the way she used to or

40:45

the way we expect her to. Having

40:48

said that, she did enough to get across,

40:50

but she wasn't as effective. And

40:52

she's a star player and

40:54

in a star position. Yeah, you really

40:57

need to be on for. It

40:59

felt a little bit like the injury is lingering

41:01

with her, but like there's been an

41:04

impact. Well,

41:06

listen, the only way I can describe that to you

41:08

and play in a league game that we have to win

41:11

one of our players tore

41:13

ligaments in her ankle as we subsequently found

41:15

out she finished out the game simply

41:17

because her adrenaline was

41:20

so high. And, you know, if you're going

41:22

to be carrying an injury, you put up your hand

41:24

and you say, look, I'm honest,

41:26

I'm honest, I'm injured. I can't

41:29

do what I need to do. But I mean, I don't

41:31

think the the injury would have affected personally.

41:34

OK,

41:34

OK. The

41:37

style of play that we have with

41:40

three at the back, fear of power is made the point that our

41:42

defense isn't fast enough for us

41:44

to play differently.

41:47

Is this as far as that style can take

41:49

us or did we just come up against better

41:51

teams? Well, you don't

41:53

have to be exceptionally fast at the back

41:56

if you have to be sharp. If

41:58

you're you're not making.

41:59

and mad runs to chase players, you

42:02

could concentrate on your reading of the game

42:04

a little bit better and you can be a little

42:06

bit more compact. Three

42:09

at the back seems good enough because

42:11

we had enough wide players

42:13

however Anya O'Gorman

42:15

got caught for the cross simply because

42:18

she was on her own out there. You'd

42:21

be better off

42:22

pushing someone out to stop that

42:25

ball from coming in so now it becomes two

42:27

against one. Anya is usually

42:29

so effective in preventing those

42:32

crosses but the other team were just a

42:34

little bit better.

42:35

She got away from her. Did

42:38

you feel like the result was ultimately a fair result in the end

42:40

that Canada were slightly better than us? Canada,

42:43

yeah, they put the pedal on. Once

42:45

they got over the initial shock which

42:47

took them about 35 minutes, 40 minutes because

42:51

they were just completely confused.

42:55

They looked at what they needed

42:57

to do and then they put the pressure on

42:59

and they took all the chances.

43:02

Given their quality could

43:04

we have done anything differently to get a draw out of that

43:06

game? Or if you're looking back at that game are you thinking

43:09

look that is about as well as we could

43:11

have done? Well I just look

43:14

at the final

43:16

goal, the second goal and

43:19

sometimes I think it was three

43:21

against one. We stood

43:23

off the player and

43:25

that for me is a sin

43:28

if you're playing in defence. You've got to get so tight

43:30

that they know that you're there even though

43:32

you're trying to keep the line. Prevent

43:35

them from putting

43:36

them into an offside position but

43:41

three against one there's no way that

43:43

player should have even got a touch on the ball.

43:46

Not saying that you'd foul or whatever else but

43:48

there's things that you can do anticipate across.

43:51

They were actually

43:53

pushing the ball forward. We seem to have set

43:56

back in the last 8-10 minutes

43:59

particularly in the

44:02

extra time, which I thought was extraordinary,

44:04

the amount of time that was played. But

44:07

we sort of reverted back into that role

44:09

of defending when we should have been, you

44:12

know,

44:12

pushing forward, I think. Yeah,

44:15

yeah. There's a

44:17

suggestion and a feeling that

44:20

Vira's contract is up at the end of the World Cup and

44:23

that

44:23

there won't be a new contract coming. And

44:27

I can see why the FAI would

44:29

do that. I can see why, you know, she's been

44:31

part of the setup for a long

44:33

period of time and sometimes a fresh voice comes in. But

44:35

I can also see why changing it is very

44:38

risky, you

44:39

know. So sometimes you have to be careful what you wish for.

44:41

Yeah, but particularly coming into the Euros.

44:43

I mean, the learnings that all the players have

44:46

gotten from this World Cup can only stand

44:48

to them. I mean, if you're bringing in the likes of Larkin

44:50

for

44:52

the Euros, that is exceptional that

44:54

you've got so much time at the World

44:56

Cup and that's going to really benefit.

45:00

You see, bringing in somebody else is like starting

45:02

all over again. And now we talk

45:04

about it takes two to three years to build a team.

45:07

Do we need to be

45:09

doing that at this stage with the Euros

45:11

coming in? I'm not really sure. I think

45:13

people, players, when they look back individually,

45:17

will look at

45:18

what did I do wrong? There I go.

45:20

Lapping concentration. What do

45:22

I need to do?

45:24

Do you think that we can, you know, you talked about

45:26

we needed maybe to be a little bit more

45:28

aggressive and be less conservative, particularly

45:31

maybe at the end of the first half. Like

45:33

conservative is like that's how Vera Pao

45:35

sets up. Like that's her modus

45:37

operandi. Do you think that Arlen can be a

45:39

bit more aggressive and attacking and

45:42

a bit more proactive under

45:44

this manager? Like can that, can she change

45:47

or change the approach to the team? She showed

45:48

in the first half. We just

45:51

was so excited to see how much pressing

45:53

we were doing and we're capable of doing it. And

45:55

the talent that came out

45:57

of the players and the...

45:59

the will to win, to

46:02

pack the box

46:03

and to get up there. Now if we talk about the

46:06

goal that Katie

46:08

scored, if you look at the players

46:10

that were being marked by the Canadians,

46:14

they were off the line, they were more, if you look

46:16

at our faces, they were watching the players

46:18

rather than watching the ball and I mean

46:21

a little bit of wind, a little bit of help,

46:23

it just swerved it in. I think last

46:25

week we talked about, I talked about Katie

46:28

putting the ball too close to the goalkeeper, paid

46:30

off this time. Now it could have been assisted a

46:32

bit by the wind but nevertheless it was

46:34

a great ball in but the other,

46:37

the defence from the Canadians were

46:39

more

46:40

worried about the players than about

46:42

the actual ball coming in and where it was going to

46:44

land. Yeah,

46:47

that will to win right. If

46:50

the squad can carry that on and if a new manager

46:52

can tap into that then it shouldn't

46:54

take two to three years. You're right, I think

46:56

it's a big risk

46:57

but at the same time all the mood

47:02

seems to be and it's as clear as that that

47:05

this is coming to an end.

47:09

It would be a bit of a pity

47:11

to end it just now rather

47:15

than see how we do in the World Cup because I'm

47:17

sure Vera's had a huge learning from

47:20

the World Cup and how the players have played and what

47:23

they're capable of doing but really

47:25

we weren't as

47:28

fit as they were. Throughout

47:30

the whole game we got very very

47:33

very tired. Now if

47:35

some players can only give half a game is

47:38

that good enough for the Irish team? Yeah,

47:41

maybe that's the scenario that they're discovering

47:44

what the step up to be one of the top ten teams in the world

47:46

is that you have elite level of fitness

47:48

the whole way through your squad.

47:50

Yeah, yeah and

47:52

individually but we were looking quite tired

47:54

and quite heavy some players and even

47:57

the players that came on and

48:00

We couldn't sort of keep up with them

48:02

because they now had fresh legs. Some

48:04

of us couldn't keep up. But if you look at

48:07

Katie McCabe and the amount that

48:09

she did and the areas she

48:11

covered the ground and end-to-end

48:13

stuff, we need players

48:15

like that. Are we making

48:18

an error in playing Casey at left-wing back? Ah,

48:23

yeah, I think so too. You need somebody who

48:25

can have an engine and she does have the engine.

48:28

She can influence players. She can actually influence

48:30

the play. And that's what we need

48:33

in midfielders, creative players who

48:35

can

48:37

influence the players around her, who can

48:39

cover and help players, you know,

48:42

and who people look up to. Now, yesterday

48:44

she did a couple of very good things. She was

48:46

man-marked and she was one of herself and

48:50

Denise

48:51

were sort of marked out of the game, I thought.

48:53

But Katie was clever because

48:56

she could suck players in and release the ball.

48:59

Denise didn't stay on the

49:01

ball for as long as I would

49:03

have liked for her to stay on the ball so

49:06

she could make those passes. And I

49:08

don't know whether she was being rushed

49:10

or flushed or I don't know what happened to

49:12

her. You know, she just didn't play our usual

49:14

great game.

49:16

Yeah, look, that's why I think the injury

49:18

had an impact. I know you're saying it shouldn't

49:20

have had but because

49:22

it doesn't make any sense. We've seen her against the very

49:24

best teams, be our best player, like, standing out

49:26

even against where Katie's struggling in the pass.

49:29

She covered a lot of ground. You can't say

49:31

that she didn't cover the same amount of ground. But

49:34

she, I'd like to see her hold the ball.

49:36

It doesn't matter if you have an injury if you hold up the ball,

49:39

you know, just hold up the ball for a second, be

49:41

comfortable and find a good pass.

49:43

And is that down to how Ireland plays as well? I

49:46

mean, she does, she scores so

49:48

many goals in qualifying, especially a way to, was

49:50

it Finland breaking late into the box?

49:52

Those time runs seems like a strength of hers. Is

49:56

it a similar story to McCabe? Like, are we

49:58

playing her a little bit too deep?

49:59

Yeah, I think we are

50:02

and we need to tighten in a little bit when she

50:04

goes forward and maybe push up a little bit

50:06

from the back and to just keep

50:08

that compact. Again, that

50:10

could be they may not push up the way they want to

50:12

because we're talking about the

50:15

back three not being as fast,

50:18

you know, but you can always counteract

50:20

that if you can, are

50:23

synchronised, you read the game well

50:26

and your goalkeeper is very proactive. I

50:29

mean, you saw it in some of the other games, goalkeeper is

50:31

nearly halfway up the pitch.

50:32

Yeah, yeah, we're not comfortable with that at

50:34

the moment. Well, you see, that's the style of

50:36

play and I wonder how the girls restricted

50:39

in being able to express themselves.

50:41

Well, that's that comes back to the manager, you know, and

50:43

maybe that's the next turn

50:45

of the wheel is finding somebody who asked

50:48

the players to express themselves and they're like, ah, players

50:50

aren't good enough to do that. This is the eternal

50:52

little death grip that we're stuck in in Irish football.

50:55

But then probably

50:57

the first thought

50:59

is let's not concede goals, but I'm

51:01

always off the opinion, best form

51:04

of defence is attack, but you need

51:06

the players who are willing to put

51:08

in the donkey work to do that,

51:10

you know, and have the

51:12

ball so they can release it to players who are

51:14

very good at finding through passes.

51:17

One of our listeners posed the question

51:19

earlier about the

51:20

game against Nigeria. Do you rotate heavily

51:23

and give everybody a chance to play in the World Cup or

51:25

do you go absolutely all out to try and win the

51:27

game?

51:28

Sure, the girls want to have

51:30

some type of pride and want to win the game.

51:33

You know, I'd imagine that. But

51:35

as a player, as a manager, you sort

51:37

of want to give people a feel of what it's like

51:40

to be out there. But if you're doing that,

51:42

you have to be quite cautious of where you play

51:44

and play them on the pitch,

51:46

you know, and then you talk about injuries to

51:48

maybe Denise Sullivan, you know,

51:51

will she be available

51:52

the next game? Yeah, there's two

51:54

sides to it. Like I played in the World Cup, I was patronised

51:57

by when we were out, I finally got a few minutes

51:59

versus

51:59

actually being meaningful so you've got to

52:02

find that balance right? Yeah I also think

52:04

that especially if you're a power is gonna continue

52:06

like the reference

52:07

point we have for this is Trappitoni not

52:10

rotating at the end of Euro 2012. I remember

52:12

Stephen Hunt gave this grade into this Unindependent

52:15

and it seemed like there was that was an issue

52:17

the Trappitoni kind of lost half the dressing

52:20

room effectively after that tournament. If

52:22

Pow is gonna continue maybe the smart

52:24

thing to do is to give everybody

52:27

a game.

52:28

Yeah but there's no point in

52:30

putting somebody at the back who is

52:32

so weak that it's going

52:34

to cause you problems. Well that's the other side

52:36

right? Yeah but I do I'm all in

52:38

favor of somebody having a taste of what it feels

52:41

like in that arena because

52:43

it can only stand to you.

52:45

Give the weakest players a half an hour at the

52:47

end but pick a team strong enough to start the

52:49

game and try and win it because if you're Katie McCabe and

52:52

you're like one of the few players who deserves

52:54

their place in the team and you're playing as Nigeria

52:56

and you get overwhelmed and you feel a little bit humiliated

52:59

you're not you know you're not going on yeah

53:01

she needs to stay.

53:02

Yeah but if there's that much of a drop-off

53:04

then depth obviously is a major issue for us.

53:06

It is yeah it is a major but then we

53:08

have Lark and the like Lark and we need

53:10

a few of those coming through because she's

53:13

classy little player and wasn't

53:15

as effective yesterday but you know

53:17

you can see she has it it's just that

53:19

she lost a bit of possession sense

53:22

when she was looking for the ball and

53:24

but other than that I mean she's coming through

53:27

and we have to have more players like her coming through.

53:29

Yeah we can't afford to have any injuries

53:31

like of our top players and losing

53:34

if Emani and before the World Cup was like oh okay.

53:37

And you see that's that's what happens

53:39

and that's what happens in football you lose players

53:41

but it also allows players

53:44

to shine because sometimes people are

53:46

overwhelmed like I thought that

53:49

Man United were a completely different team when

53:51

Ronaldo was gone

53:52

you know he everybody seemed to just

53:55

not play to their potential you

53:57

know so I always think that and

53:59

when Somebody that

54:01

you think

54:03

is so good that everybody looks up to them

54:05

and

54:06

don't play to their potential, that

54:10

you can affect players

54:12

how they play by actually

54:14

putting them on the pitch and giving them a responsibility.

54:17

Because now I don't have Kayleigh McCabe to

54:19

protect me, I don't have Denise, I've

54:21

got to now do

54:23

what I need to do myself so that I am

54:25

contributing to the team. Because

54:28

Manion was out, Megan Connolly had to drop

54:30

into the back three rather than be in midfield.

54:33

Was she missed in midfield?

54:34

Ah yeah, she was definitely

54:36

missed in midfield

54:38

and I tell you who I was impressed with,

54:41

Lucy Quinn. I thought she

54:43

was great yesterday, she and herself

54:45

and Anja O'Gorman were sort

54:47

of, only for those two we wouldn't get the

54:50

corner. I thought Caruso

54:52

played a great game yesterday, really

54:55

a good game, I was a little surprised she was taken

54:57

off, didn't hear whether it was

54:59

injury or not. But I was quite

55:01

surprised and Amber wasn't

55:04

as effective again, she got herself into great

55:06

position, for one

55:08

possible goal but didn't receive the ball. And

55:11

again we didn't have, in the middle,

55:13

Louise

55:16

of Sullivan, supplying her with

55:18

the ball, she's a very good creative

55:20

player.

55:27

Can I just ask you about, so Anja

55:29

O'Gorman obviously, five years ago she retired

55:31

and she's back in the squad now and you're

55:33

talking about coming back

55:36

with the experience of a World Cup. She's

55:38

going to inject that into

55:40

the National League here, we

55:42

do actually need the standard of the league

55:45

here

55:45

to aspire to be at an international

55:47

level and have the fitness of the best

55:50

players in the world. So that can only be a positive,

55:52

she's coming back with a story from the World Cup going, I

55:54

was able to make it and when we got there we

55:56

found it was really hard but we were right

55:59

there with the team.

57:54

good

58:00

the semi-coit in the other games and injuries

58:02

and stuff if those three boys if

58:04

calm brings his best stuff And cast

58:07

low and by scale our house That

58:09

could be the full forward in the winter. It's very exciting.

58:12

It's very exciting buzzing

58:14

for this game. Yeah, I think we all are Kieran

58:18

or leery. I hope you are too. Good morning. Yeah.

58:20

Good morning. How you doing? Yeah Are you also buzzing

58:22

for this game? Are you all right a little bit nervous

58:25

now Kerry? You know supposed to go

58:27

to dogs, but they're not their favorites

58:29

Yeah, it's a kind of 50-50

58:31

for me buzzing for the weekend. Obviously, especially

58:34

being Dublin. I suppose the Anticipation

58:37

was always gonna be Kerry in Dublin even though

58:39

Kerry got a good price and possibly

58:42

could have been beaten under there But

58:44

looking forward to the weekend put a bit nervous of course

58:47

See that point the time he was asking the lads is there

58:49

a specific area of the field that you think? If

58:52

Kerry gets dominance in it's

58:54

going to decide the game For

58:57

Me it comes down to matchups. I

59:00

think how Jack's Lex his team

59:02

and who he puts on certain

59:04

marquee players that will be the winning it for

59:07

me or obviously

59:10

Offensive part of our game. We're probably

59:12

heavily dominant than David So we

59:15

will certainly David will be scoring seven net

59:17

scores

59:18

We need the other fellas to chip in but it comes down to

59:20

matchups how Jason Foley gets on can

59:22

I presume that'll be the matchup? even

59:24

best girl Presumably

59:27

Graham will pick him up There's a couple of key battles

59:30

and who comes out and cut top with those key battles It'll

59:33

be the winners for me later on Karen

59:35

one of the things that's been kind of talked about in the lead of

59:37

this final is Question as I carry

59:39

to reliant on Shaunio Shay and David Clifford

59:43

Passfully to reliant I suppose David

59:46

David is phenomenal attribute

59:48

that they bring so many other people into the game and

59:52

Listen, no one cares gonna win

59:54

the game on his own. There's different. There's

59:56

different classes, of course and the

59:58

boys are right up to top But I think

1:00:00

for the

1:00:03

way they play the game, the way they bring other people

1:00:05

into this, the way the way they just

1:00:07

kind of naturally produce

1:00:09

the goods week in week

1:00:10

out. I think James made

1:00:12

the point there that at times they're

1:00:14

they're unmarkable like

1:00:17

David's play from open play,

1:00:19

Shawnee's

1:00:20

Shawnee's free kick taking ability

1:00:22

in the way he gets around the field consistently.

1:00:25

It's just unbelievable. But we

1:00:27

need those two boys performing to top level at the

1:00:30

weekend.

1:00:31

What about the midfield battle? Because there

1:00:33

is a sense that perhaps Kerry might actually

1:00:36

be

1:00:36

ahead, even though we're talking about two all-time

1:00:39

great potential midfielders when we're

1:00:41

talking about the dub set up.

1:00:44

Again, for me, Kerry's

1:00:47

midfield has been under pressure this year from

1:00:49

the public eye. But I think we have two very

1:00:51

good players. I think Jack Barry

1:00:53

has had Finton's number over the

1:00:55

years, even though Finton is having a great

1:00:57

season. There seems to be between

1:01:00

the two. He seems to

1:01:02

really, really want this.

1:01:04

I think Dublin want this game.

1:01:06

I think they genuinely want wanted Kerry.

1:01:09

And I know Kerry wanted Dublin as well. It's like

1:01:12

from a public perspective, it's the game everyone

1:01:14

wanted.

1:01:15

But again, the

1:01:17

midfield, I think we play Tyrone and everyone

1:01:19

doubted Kerry's midfield and Diem Rokaner in the

1:01:21

drop-in man of the match. He's a fantastic

1:01:24

young player and again has a huge

1:01:26

barrier in this game.

1:01:27

I think offensively, he could frighten

1:01:29

them because he's big, strong, he can

1:01:32

run. He's

1:01:34

a very effective player once he's

1:01:36

on his game. And I think he'll take

1:01:39

staffing. But I think Barry

1:01:41

will go on Finton. That'll be a key matchup as well.

1:01:44

Why is Jack Barry so good against

1:01:46

Brian Finton?

1:01:49

I don't know. It's the focus aspect of it.

1:01:51

Again, Jack is very athletic, aggressive,

1:01:54

does the simple things well. I think he's

1:01:57

a focus point.

1:01:58

I think it probably

1:02:00

plays into the media kind of

1:02:02

blow it up as well. This and maybe

1:02:05

listen, maybe just likes Matthew

1:02:07

under certain players. You like marketing, there are certain players

1:02:09

you don't. And again,

1:02:11

I'd be hoping that Jack

1:02:14

Barry comes out and tapping into the weekend because

1:02:16

Brian is a key player for Dublin. Leadership

1:02:18

quality is obviously he's won everything

1:02:21

in the game. And you can still see he wants

1:02:23

to. He wants it even more.

1:02:26

But I still think Jack is a lot to

1:02:28

play this weekend. I think he'll have a big bear in this game. Fenton

1:02:31

scored an amazing point off his knees and

1:02:33

just all in one movement, got up and just

1:02:36

leather it over the bar in the semifinal

1:02:38

at a key moment. And kind of himself

1:02:40

and James McCarthy at the start of that second half in particular,

1:02:43

they were excellent. And like

1:02:45

I don't know, I think

1:02:47

James McCarthy might be due for the player

1:02:50

of the year award if Dublin were to win this by

1:02:52

virtue of the fact that he should have had one before now. And

1:02:55

he may well be their greatest ever player. So

1:02:57

there's a lot on in terms of their legacy on

1:02:59

the line. But as you say, coming

1:03:01

up against them, you've got a midfield pairing who've

1:03:04

not quite won the public over just yet, despite

1:03:06

the fact that they've done incredibly

1:03:09

well

1:03:09

against the supposed best midfield

1:03:12

pairing in the country in the last

1:03:14

two games.

1:03:16

Yeah, I mean, look, not taking

1:03:18

nothing away from McCarthy. He's a phenomenal player,

1:03:20

having a great season. It

1:03:23

will come down to who wins the game, who gets player

1:03:25

of the year because James is having a great season,

1:03:27

but equally as Dave Clifford.

1:03:29

If Kerry wins Clifford 100 percent,

1:03:31

I don't think there's any debate about that. But you

1:03:34

know the way these votes go. It's like, oh,

1:03:36

we should have given him one before it's his turn. Of

1:03:39

course, yeah, of course. And to be fair, the

1:03:41

boys leadership qualities is phenomenal.

1:03:44

They really seem to be stepping it up. But

1:03:47

for me, is this a case of last chance saloon

1:03:50

for the LEDs career very young

1:03:52

and not blowing up Kerry by any means, I think

1:03:54

Dublin really feel this is their last

1:03:57

kind of like

1:03:58

clockstone mechanic.

1:03:59

but not right now Fintan,

1:04:02

Kilkinny isn't getting his regular

1:04:04

game time. He usually goes, they're coming to the

1:04:07

end to a certain extent.

1:04:09

And I think this,

1:04:11

they feel this is their last chance loon to kind of maybe,

1:04:13

this is it now carrying the final by the

1:04:15

way to go out if we do win

1:04:17

and carry probably the other

1:04:19

side of it, their average age is presumably 24, 26.

1:04:24

Very few at the age of 30 plus,

1:04:26

about one or two, maybe.

1:04:29

So going back to it, I suppose

1:04:32

the boys have seen it all, they've done it all before.

1:04:35

The experience will tell a lot and it

1:04:37

carried up in the final is nervous

1:04:40

for me, but what a buzz and

1:04:42

an atmosphere is going to be the next day. It's going to be phenomenal.

1:04:44

But that must be a massive motivation for Kerry though,

1:04:47

Kieran to land the final blow on

1:04:49

the Dublin Empire. Absolutely.

1:04:52

Like I suppose when teams are going well and

1:04:55

you have the chance to maybe take some sort

1:04:57

of a scalp off them, make sure you love that. Like,

1:04:59

you know, I

1:05:02

remember actually, funny enough, like

1:05:04

going back to my own plane, plane days, from

1:05:07

a club perspective, we were going for five in a row and James

1:05:09

and I was team stopped us earlier on the county

1:05:11

championship. And that was probably an unseen

1:05:13

thing at the time. And Kerry would be

1:05:16

no different.

1:05:16

Dublin had been the most dominant team over

1:05:19

the last 10 years. And I think there's a

1:05:21

small bit of a change in the guard. Well, I'm hoping

1:05:23

there is.

1:05:24

And because who could have

1:05:26

seen Dublin being stopped there? You

1:05:28

know, a couple of years ago, I suppose even

1:05:30

last year, if there was a bit of extra time, would

1:05:33

Kerry have been under a bit of pressure? Like I know Shawnee

1:05:35

scored a phenomenal free kick.

1:05:38

But if it was extra time that day without Khan

1:05:40

Callaghan

1:05:41

Dublin seemed to be coming really,

1:05:44

really into it. And I think they would have

1:05:46

felt that themselves. So they think there's

1:05:48

a small

1:05:50

bit of a

1:05:52

chance for them to rectify that this Sunday.

1:05:54

No Khan, no Manion, no Jack McCaffrey.

1:05:57

I think Evan Crawford's a

1:05:59

justice.

1:05:59

to go to Clarkson, but anyway, no Clarkson. Now

1:06:02

here's the thing though, that point you're making about the age profile

1:06:05

is really, really interesting because at some point

1:06:07

the Outlads get beaten by the Younglads, that's just the way of life.

1:06:10

Absolutely, yeah,

1:06:11

absolutely. But

1:06:14

again, I suppose

1:06:15

to the C, what

1:06:17

a way it would be for someone to vote

1:06:20

like when they're that age. I know that Clarkson is

1:06:22

back, and I agree with you, Comforter was having a great

1:06:24

season, didn't see how he

1:06:27

was bringing to the table in terms of how

1:06:29

he's going to improve the team, but obviously his leadership

1:06:31

qualities again, and from a player's perspective,

1:06:33

they probably wanted him in their own address room,

1:06:35

experience alone. But again,

1:06:38

it's how Kerry can see them

1:06:40

playing against

1:06:45

these boys that we can, they'll feel that they,

1:06:48

this is the chance now to really quieten

1:06:50

the dubs

1:06:52

and opportunity to kind of, this

1:06:54

is the changing of the guard,

1:06:56

this is our time now, you've had your chance,

1:06:59

let's go, blah blah.

1:07:00

Because I initially thought just an admittedly

1:07:02

from kind of an amateur slightly lazy perspective

1:07:05

approach in this final, I always thought that, Kerry

1:07:08

might find it, sorry, that Dublin would find it

1:07:10

easier to motivate themselves in the kind of last

1:07:12

dance territory, but as you've explained

1:07:14

to their Kieran, I think Kerry won't have any bother

1:07:16

in kind of finding motivation

1:07:20

to humble the dubs, given all that

1:07:22

context that you've explained there.

1:07:25

I don't think so, I mean, like, listen,

1:07:29

some of the Dublin players are some of the best to

1:07:31

play the game, like, you know, what they've achieved over

1:07:33

the last number of years. And I think go

1:07:36

through all the games throughout the year, the anticipation

1:07:38

was at the start of the year, who's gonna be

1:07:40

in their final,

1:07:42

hopefully it's Kerry Dublin. Before

1:07:44

the semi-finals, like,

1:07:46

huge crowd at the Dublin game,

1:07:49

not so huge at the Kerry game, but I

1:07:51

suppose with traveling and

1:07:53

the cost of living and the way the cost is for

1:07:55

traveling for sporters,

1:07:57

people genuinely thought it's gonna

1:07:59

be Kerry Dublin. in the final, less weightless

1:08:01

week that weekend. That was the

1:08:04

mentality by people.

1:08:05

No, as I said, Kerry

1:08:07

nearly got a price. Kerry were certainly

1:08:09

confident pre-game and deservedly

1:08:12

saw, they were very unlucky not to win that game that

1:08:14

day. I still think that's a great sign

1:08:16

of a team winning whilst having

1:08:18

a lot to improve

1:08:20

on. And that's the way Kerry would have probably

1:08:23

approached this game. They know they have

1:08:25

to improve to beat the dubs.

1:08:26

Are both teams going really well? They're

1:08:29

going okay, like, they're going okay. Have

1:08:31

they been tested? Kerry have been beaten by Mayo.

1:08:34

Should have been beaten by Derry.

1:08:36

What have Dublin played, really? Manning for the

1:08:38

end of the good show, for definite.

1:08:40

Could have possibly

1:08:42

cast me out of it if you're referring

1:08:45

decisions or if they took one or two more chances.

1:08:48

But again, at the end of the day, it's Kerry

1:08:51

Dublin.

1:08:52

Yeah, I

1:08:54

think that's true. And I think that Dublin struggled

1:08:56

against Cross Common, struggled

1:08:59

twice, but not a third time against

1:09:01

Kildare. And I just,

1:09:05

they don't feel like they're fully formed or

1:09:07

they've fully expressed themselves just yet. And maybe

1:09:10

they don't get to that point at all this season. Tommy's

1:09:12

been making the point on the football part about the 2019

1:09:15

replay and the relevance on this game.

1:09:19

It was basically a bunch of kids versus

1:09:22

the old stages of Dublin. And the only changes

1:09:24

in the team since are David

1:09:26

Moore and Gavin Crowley are gone from Kerry

1:09:28

and Johnny Cooper has gone from the dubs, but it's basically

1:09:30

the same panels. And

1:09:33

obviously that's a long time. That's a lot of hours in

1:09:35

the gym, strengthening of resolve

1:09:38

and physicality from Kerry, whereas

1:09:40

age is catching up on the dubs. We

1:09:43

were talking before, who do you think is gonna win? I was like,

1:09:45

oh, I think Dublin are gonna win. But I think you're

1:09:47

kind of convincing me here, Karen, that the

1:09:49

rising sap of Kerry is the one that's going to engulf

1:09:52

the dubs this weekend.

1:09:54

Yeah, well, I don't wanna put too much pressure

1:09:56

on them. I mean, at the end of the day, I finally

1:09:58

hired myself to college. I think it's going to be 50 50. I

1:10:02

think as I said, key matchups are going to be

1:10:04

like, the desk, going to be the winning glues in the game.

1:10:07

And obviously you're big performers, you

1:10:09

need them to play well.

1:10:10

Like we need Jason Paulie to play well

1:10:12

in Con Callum. If he, if that's the matchup,

1:10:16

they have Dublin have a huge task

1:10:20

in our whole and who's going to map they've

1:10:22

Clifford wants to supply a ball as well

1:10:25

is going into. Um, I

1:10:28

suppose the other side of it, like experience

1:10:30

is a big thing, but again, it's going to

1:10:32

be the bench. Jack has gone to 55

1:10:34

minutes to play. If it, if we're

1:10:37

leading by a point or losing by a point, I

1:10:39

think he'd be happy enough.

1:10:40

Run the couple of bench, make it, make

1:10:42

a bench. That's gonna, gonna make a ferocious

1:10:45

impact and really finish the game

1:10:47

strong.

1:10:48

Um,

1:10:50

I'm a far so delectable and disappointed for Tony Ross

1:10:52

and that to be tagged up for we

1:10:54

can do the injury. I think he would have had a

1:10:56

good say in the game. I think the game would have sued with a

1:10:59

very good ball player, but I suppose you depending

1:11:01

on the panel, killing splint to come back

1:11:03

in, had a good day in 2019 that time as well. Um, but

1:11:08

again, not a whole pile of change in terms of panel

1:11:10

ways. Experience is a huge

1:11:12

thing, but like said, the Emeril Connor, David

1:11:15

Shawn, who were unbelievable.

1:11:17

Here's the time, David, a couple of years down

1:11:19

the line, physically, mentally

1:11:21

party. Absolutely. And, and to

1:11:24

be fair, to the Clippers, had a tough year

1:11:26

after back of, of, um,

1:11:29

Fosse going all the way last year and continued

1:11:32

on to the, to the Kerry season

1:11:34

and a few personal things with their own family,

1:11:36

which, you know, credit to the boys, like

1:11:39

credit to what they've done. Um, serious,

1:11:41

you know, for sure. Uh, Kieran,

1:11:44

enjoy the game. If that's possible. Do you actually

1:11:47

get to like relax into matches

1:11:49

or are you a bad watcher? Yeah,

1:11:51

no, I really, you know, I actually enjoyed the

1:11:54

games. These days, the way the game has gone has changed

1:11:56

rapidly. It's very tactically,

1:11:58

um, you know, you have to be

1:11:59

really aware of the tactics side of it. It's

1:12:02

almost heatballed, it's cautious.

1:12:05

I think that's the kind of game it's gonna be. I'd love to see

1:12:07

Oakland football, like kicking through

1:12:09

the lines, score for score, really entertaining

1:12:12

battle, but I think it's gonna be a cautious approach. And

1:12:14

this night I wanna enjoy the

1:12:16

atmosphere. It's gonna be meeting up with all friends, up

1:12:19

to Saturday, enjoy the aspect

1:12:22

of the All-Iron finally, and hopefully coming down Samba

1:12:24

Garden someday. Well, enjoy. Thanks a million

1:12:26

for joining us. Cheers. Cheers. Thanks for having me, lads.

1:12:28

Much appreciate it. Currently, we're there

1:12:29

for our carry All-Iron winning captain. Yeah,

1:12:32

I can't imagine carrying people are getting nervous

1:12:35

after All-Iron on All-Iron final

1:12:37

day. They've had a good 60 goals at this now. Yeah,

1:12:39

and they're pretty good at it. I kind of feel

1:12:41

bad for kind of admitting it, admitting it, I think I want Dublin

1:12:44

to win.

1:12:45

Why do you feel bad?

1:12:46

Well, you know, it's the, well, you see, as

1:12:49

my accent will tell you, I'm from Longford. So

1:12:51

I've spent years being roadkill

1:12:53

in the Olympic Championship for Dublin, so it does feel

1:12:55

a bit of Stockholm syndrome.

1:12:58

And also, they're obviously the evil

1:13:00

empire, compared to the kind of the

1:13:02

moral purity of the Mayo chase

1:13:05

for the last few years. But I'm

1:13:07

into the last dance element of it. I

1:13:09

think that I also have a greater appreciation

1:13:11

of some of these players now that they've lost

1:13:14

a couple of times. Like, because

1:13:17

basically, I want the Mayo to win all those All-Arlins

1:13:19

that Dublin played. So it's just like, you just kind of

1:13:21

roll my eyes a bit when, you know, Fenton and McCarthy

1:13:24

and McCaffrey and these guys who just flex their muscles.

1:13:26

Whereas now you have, I think, I have a bit of a

1:13:28

better appreciation. So basically, how I

1:13:30

learned to stop worrying and love the dubs is

1:13:33

my state of mind.

1:13:35

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1:13:57

Shane Hannon, you're

1:13:59

up. has been speaking to the dubs,

1:14:01

is on his way to Kerry. How are you?

1:14:04

Good morning, lads. How are things? Are we

1:14:06

keeping? Yeah. Good. Who

1:14:08

are you going to talk to in Kerry? Well, I'm hoping to get to

1:14:10

Kerry, first of all. The flight was delayed from, supposedly

1:14:12

leaving at 10 past nine. It's now delayed to 10.25. Apparently

1:14:16

air traffic control staff shortages

1:14:18

in Dublin airport is delaying a lot of flights out. So

1:14:21

the

1:14:21

last two-year-old was Tom

1:14:23

Hays. It's slightly

1:14:25

important role. So to be fair, we'll wait for

1:14:27

the air traffic control guys to

1:14:29

come back. But I was watching Tom Hanks, the terminal last

1:14:31

week. Victor Novorski is the character he plays. And

1:14:33

I'm kind of feeling like if this goes on

1:14:36

and I might make a bed. There is a guy

1:14:38

in front of me who is currently sleeping underneath the stairs. So

1:14:40

I might have to join him. So if

1:14:43

I, if I,

1:14:44

First I'll like fly into. I

1:14:47

think he was flying to his, he was flying from Krakózia,

1:14:49

which is a made up country to New York to

1:14:51

get a, to do a little task for his father.

1:14:54

Like he couldn't have just got a train, for instance.

1:14:57

He couldn't, he couldn't or driven

1:14:59

his car. No, he couldn't have done that. No,

1:15:02

I did pay for the climate emissions. You know,

1:15:04

the little extra you pay just to cover your climate

1:15:06

costs. I didn't want to, didn't want to bring it up here.

1:15:08

I mean, I wouldn't

1:15:10

say. He was just, he was cheaper. Johnny Warner's supposed to be

1:15:12

in here today. And frankly,

1:15:14

I'm not sure if he was ever going to speak to you again.

1:15:17

Yeah. You see, I have a lot of, I have a lot of things

1:15:19

planned in Kerry. There's a, so I'm going to

1:15:21

meet Mike, or not Mike, Darrow Konejarden

1:15:23

on Gualtown

1:15:24

later on this afternoon, of course. He

1:15:26

put a play in a star and roll in that famous Dublin

1:15:28

Kerry quarterfinal in 01 in Ternus, in

1:15:31

Morris Fitz hits the sideline to

1:15:33

equalize. And of course, capital Kerry to the All-Ireland

1:15:35

in 04. So I'm looking forward to that. And then

1:15:37

Ambrose Donovan, captain Kerry to

1:15:39

All-Ireland in the centenary year in 84 himself.

1:15:42

And Tim Moynihan are going to chat to me there. They've

1:15:44

become a bit of a radio Kerry dream

1:15:46

team on the local commentary down there. So,

1:15:49

and a very special guest lads.

1:15:51

So, you know, I would have chatted to Dublin, Dublin,

1:15:53

Gerry, Kerry, or a Dublin super fan this week,

1:15:55

but it was a very special Kerry super

1:15:58

fan.

1:15:58

Some of you will be able to guess.

1:16:00

who that may be when I meet

1:16:02

him for a cup of tea this morning

1:16:04

slash this afternoon. Close to the airport?

1:16:07

Close to the airport, yes. Close

1:16:09

to Far and Fore. The Fire East Club there.

1:16:12

Oh, right. So,

1:16:14

a man who just may have landed. This

1:16:17

is a bit of a spoiler because I wanted him to be a secret, but you know what?

1:16:20

He would have kept that seat, the Ganzan, quite

1:16:22

warm over the last number of years. So,

1:16:25

we may meet up and have a little... I didn't

1:16:27

realise the flight from New York had arrived. And

1:16:30

come here, obviously, you know, you're in Far

1:16:32

and Fore and that's not close to him, go ahead and talk to him.

1:16:35

No, it's about an hour and five minutes right

1:16:37

out of the peninsula. So

1:16:40

yeah, it's going to be a bit of a... I have a car rented

1:16:43

from Kerry Airport, so I'm going to drive right after

1:16:45

I've had my conversation with said

1:16:47

gentlemen of Fire East. I know, this

1:16:49

is the problem with Kerry, like, it's

1:16:51

tough to get these interviews. I was getting

1:16:54

offered interviews and kept down and kept mayor and

1:16:56

the cross. It's just an adjusting

1:16:58

of nightmare. But I'm staying in Killarney, so I'll back

1:17:00

to Killarney for my last interview. Oh yeah, cheapest place

1:17:03

in Ireland to get a hotel room.

1:17:04

This is great. We're getting bankrupted by

1:17:06

Kerry being in the Ireland finals. No, I actually

1:17:09

got very good deals on all of them. Okay,

1:17:11

sure.

1:17:11

I'll be passing

1:17:13

through Anna Skoll to get out to...

1:17:15

I'm a whale talker as well, so maybe a stab

1:17:17

limb in South Pole Lane.

1:17:19

Nice. Chatting to someone about Tom Green, if I can. So, not

1:17:21

a forgo. As Nathan Murphy famously

1:17:23

says, screw you, accountant. Anywho,

1:17:26

you've been talking to some dobs.

1:17:29

I have, I have. This was really,

1:17:31

really enjoyable this week, because, well, less

1:17:33

travel involved, I guess. Obviously, I would have loved

1:17:35

it if I'd been travelling back to Monaghan for a little bit of the All-Ireland

1:17:38

final build-up, but not to be.

1:17:39

So I met up with Charlie Redmond

1:17:42

the other day this week, and the Aarons

1:17:44

Isle Club, of course, bit of a legend out there and thingless. And

1:17:47

I thought, I'm sticking, you know, that same as 95 All-Ireland, where

1:17:49

Charlie scores the goal, gets

1:17:52

sent off twice. The only man to be sent off in All-Ireland

1:17:54

twice

1:17:54

refuses to go off when Paddy Russell gets

1:17:57

in the red card. A

1:17:58

few minutes later, the Turon ball...

1:17:59

I'm pointing out he should be off the pitch.

1:18:02

But we were sitting up to set up for the interview, and

1:18:04

I was thinking, nobody below the age of 25, 30 is

1:18:07

going to have even heard of this. We were a

1:18:09

group of four or five kids set up. Obviously,

1:18:11

you, Charlie, came from the Iron Valley Club.

1:18:13

And straight away, you're a charity who was

1:18:15

sent off twice in the All-Ireland. So clearly,

1:18:17

the parents are feeling these kids

1:18:20

full of the lore of Charlie Redmond. But we

1:18:22

had a lovely conversation. This first clip you're going to hear is Charlie

1:18:24

talking,

1:18:25

his first, I guess, emergency to the Dublin panel, and meeting the one

1:18:27

and only Brian Mullins. Brian was passing,

1:18:29

of course, last October. This will

1:18:32

be the first All-Ireland since Brian Mullins passed away. So

1:18:34

this is Charlie Redmond's tribute, I guess, to

1:18:36

Brian Mullins. I think I'm

1:18:38

right in saying this is the first All-Ireland since

1:18:40

Brian Mullins passed away. I think it was last October,

1:18:42

maybe, Brian died. But I

1:18:46

remember that story of you coming into the Dublin dressing room, I

1:18:48

guess, first, probably in the early 80s at some point. And the likes of

1:18:50

Brian, I'm sure, had arms over the shoulder with younger players like yourself.

1:18:53

What influence would the likes of Brian have had on

1:18:55

your career and those early, I guess, inter-county days

1:18:57

at senior level? Yeah, when you're dressing room, when you're playing

1:18:59

with the likes of Brian Mullins and Tommy Drum and Anthony O'Toole,

1:19:03

and you've watched these guys as if you were 12

1:19:05

years of age testing all-Ireland finals, and

1:19:08

now suddenly you're in the same dressing room. It's

1:19:10

quite a jaw-dropping experience and a

1:19:12

little bit of a starstruck, if I'm not a better term,

1:19:16

but every one of them to a man were just so down to earth.

1:19:19

Now Brian, Brian had his own way of dealing

1:19:21

with things, and we had some funny, then the other day, it

1:19:25

was the first time I went onto the field with the

1:19:27

training, and he says to me, who

1:19:30

are you? And I

1:19:32

knew he knew who I was because

1:19:35

I'd heard him talking about me in the other dressing room. And

1:19:37

I went, I'm Charlie Redman, and he says, who are you?

1:19:40

And he looked at me and he's just talking about me and I'm like,

1:19:42

you little gitchy, you know? But

1:19:45

that was Brian. He was

1:19:46

always fun to the last. He was

1:19:48

a great character to be sorely missed. And I'm

1:19:50

sure in the lead-up to the game on Sunday, his

1:19:52

name was mentioned in the dressing room, because it's

1:19:55

the four-star line we've been in since his passing, and

1:19:58

I'm sure Brian

1:19:59

is a good guy.

1:19:59

is up there with Kevin and with Anton and

1:20:02

they're looking down on us now and they'll be cheering

1:20:04

and I'm sure the Curdie boys have their own idols

1:20:06

up there who are looking down but they'll be looking down

1:20:08

on Sunday and have cheering under those. I think

1:20:11

there was one piece of advice, I think it might have

1:20:13

been towards yourself from Brian Mullins and he was

1:20:15

talking about the fact that if you're out of a game and you're not heavily

1:20:18

involved in a match maybe get involved

1:20:20

in a skirmish or throw

1:20:22

a few words or something, just get yourself involved. Yeah,

1:20:24

yeah, it's actually the same as if you feel

1:20:26

the game has passed you by get booked. You

1:20:28

know in those days getting

1:20:29

booked was quite hard and getting sent off was an a-on impossible.

1:20:32

As you all know. Yeah, but

1:20:35

nowadays I wouldn't read the advice you'd be giving to

1:20:37

any young lad nowadays. It's

1:20:40

the game with a lot more sanitiser than it was in our

1:20:42

day, it's a lot cleaner, it's a little bit faster,

1:20:44

probably not as good a game or as exciting a game at times

1:20:47

but hopefully on Sunday we're going to see two teams who

1:20:49

play football, the way football should be played and I think

1:20:52

we've all the ingredients and they're there to have

1:20:54

a cracker of a game. Charlie you're having a great

1:20:56

nick there Shane.

1:20:58

Oh my word. The man is tanned to the

1:21:00

last and it's seriously like

1:21:02

he was guarding and I interrupted him from his guarding and to come over

1:21:04

to the club and sit down and chat. And

1:21:06

there's a theme there between Charlie Riveman and Ethan Fandlarken

1:21:09

last week, the old school lads longing

1:21:11

for the days of old when lads could batter the head

1:21:13

of each other. Fandlarken was looking for more hurdles

1:21:15

to be broken over people's legs and heads

1:21:18

and Charlie there talking about the great days

1:21:20

of Ryan Mullen. So yeah there's a theme I think. The

1:21:22

Dublin Carry rivalry, what we keep hearing about is the

1:21:24

two teams in the 70s eventually when they laid

1:21:26

down their weapons became great mates and

1:21:29

it turns out there's loads of connections between

1:21:31

the counties. Oh it's

1:21:33

madness. Like as even before I mentioned

1:21:35

Ryan Mullen, I think he's the only person to have lost

1:21:37

5-1 finals to the same county in Kerry, 74, 78, 79, 84, 85.

1:21:41

So by 85 he must have just had

1:21:44

PTSD from seeing that green and

1:21:46

yellow jersey. But there are loads of links

1:21:48

and the next person I've spoken to and you mentioned his

1:21:50

pub on air

1:21:51

the other morning, I think a Monday morning. Taper Spiner,

1:21:54

a familiar pub to a lot of people there on Marlborough Street

1:21:56

off Abbey Street.

1:21:57

Sean Potts, brilliant

1:21:59

music.

1:21:59

obviously a keen,

1:22:02

ill-empiper and a really, really talented

1:22:04

musician in this country. And his father, of course,

1:22:06

one of the founding members of the Chief Team, alongside Paddy Maloney.

1:22:08

So

1:22:09

also a family steep in

1:22:11

the Irish language, family steep in the GEA,

1:22:13

Sean himself, Sean Junior House,

1:22:16

I suppose, background

1:22:18

in the GPA, and very, very good friends

1:22:20

with Desi Farrell. It's a great WGA hub there at Piper's

1:22:22

Corner. So it's been a lovely conversation

1:22:25

with Sean. And I'm a little

1:22:27

bit of a nose to myself at the time, and a lot of people possibly

1:22:30

is that Sean was the co-writer, ghostwriter

1:22:32

on Paddy O'Shea's autobiography. I had

1:22:34

an unbelievable friendship

1:22:36

with Paddy. So this is Sean Parks discussing his

1:22:38

friendship with Paddy O'Shea. I wrote Paddy

1:22:40

O'Shea's biography and I wrote Desi Farrell's biography.

1:22:43

I spent a lot of time when I was younger down in Kerry learning

1:22:46

Irish and I lived with the late

1:22:48

Seamus Speglie, wonderful years. And I befriended

1:22:51

Paddy O'Shea through Seamus. I

1:22:53

was actually playing music in the pub. So

1:22:57

in the 1980s... er,

1:22:59

erm... 1988, I think it was,

1:23:04

and Paddy asked me to go out and kick a few balls on the beach from

1:23:06

the next morning. So

1:23:08

I was running around like a dog, collecting

1:23:11

balls out of the sea on Fentry Strand.

1:23:15

So I befriended him and I got to

1:23:17

know him. And then a couple of years later I was working

1:23:19

as a journalist and I ended up ghostwriting his piece.

1:23:22

I rang him and asked Paddy, would

1:23:24

he do articles for the Irish Independent? Erm...

1:23:27

And then he got back involved. And it was a fallow period

1:23:29

for Kerry at the time. Erm... You

1:23:32

know,

1:23:32

erm... So we sold

1:23:34

it together as... It was his ghost writer

1:23:36

and it was an incredible experience going around the

1:23:38

country with different matches. But Dublin were the

1:23:41

nearly team at that period, you know. Obviously

1:23:44

Desi Farrell was playing with that team at the time. But

1:23:46

if you take those couple of years between the four

1:23:49

games, you'll have to tag them with Meats, which

1:23:51

damaged us all psychologically. And

1:23:55

the couple of subsequent years, Kerry

1:23:58

were sort of off the radar at that time. Pardee

1:24:01

and myself went to a lot of the matches so he understood

1:24:03

the absolute angst that was going

1:24:05

through Dublin at

1:24:07

the time having lost the final in 92, the

1:24:09

semi-final against Derry in 93, against

1:24:11

Down in 94 and people were you know the decade

1:24:14

of the dubs was the video out and somebody

1:24:16

coming out of the Down match saying this is the decade of the dubs

1:24:18

you know and but it was very harsh

1:24:21

but then when I remember when they got over the line in 95 we

1:24:23

were talking about special moments, Dublin beat

1:24:26

Tyrone, I was with

1:24:28

Pardee you know and he was

1:24:31

an incredible individual Pardee, he was an amazing character

1:24:33

when I think about it and I miss him desperately

1:24:35

over the last, especially over the last number of years

1:24:38

when we became so dominant you know but I

1:24:40

would have enjoyed that but I do miss

1:24:42

him and especially around

1:24:44

these kind of occasions but he put me up on his shoulders to

1:24:47

watch the presentation, it was a huge outpouring

1:24:50

of relief that Dublin finally got over the line

1:24:52

and just about like you know having been dominant for

1:24:54

a large part of the game we were clawed

1:24:57

back and just about to get over the line but the relief

1:24:59

was absolutely palpable, he knew that he was a great

1:25:01

individual so actually that night

1:25:04

I'd said in jest, well

1:25:07

sort of half in earnest but totally you know

1:25:10

to my partner at the time that I would

1:25:12

get engaged if Dublin ever got over the line thinking it

1:25:14

might, it's probably never gonna happen but I did

1:25:16

it that night, I popped the question the night after they

1:25:18

won, the night open

1:25:20

juries at the celebrations and

1:25:22

Pardee had managed to weasel in, anyway

1:25:25

into the Dublin celebrations and

1:25:27

when he heard what had happened he comes over he said are

1:25:29

you sure, are you sure he said before

1:25:33

getting into a little bit of a spat with Pat O'Neill

1:25:35

at the same night and eventually being

1:25:38

told no on certain day, get

1:25:40

out Pardee will you please. The full experience,

1:25:43

there's another good half hour in that and

1:25:45

we're gonna play out with it today hopefully

1:25:48

if you can stay with us it's available

1:25:50

on youtube.com forward slash off the ball. Yeah

1:25:53

Pardee turfed out of the Kerry celebrations and getting engaged

1:25:55

out of the pure excitement of your card you

1:25:57

win in the 95s is brilliant yeah really good stuff from

1:25:59

Sean.

1:25:59

I'm glad to get up on YouTube. The character

1:26:02

that I mentioned, Dublin Jerry, Dublin Jerry

1:26:04

will be familiar to a lot of Dublin fans,

1:26:06

I guess. He's the guy who wears a lot of the Dublin

1:26:08

clothes, the hat, the full suit to a lot

1:26:10

of the matches he's been around for for youngs. Has

1:26:13

gone to every every final, I think, since 58, except

1:26:15

for the COVID final. Really,

1:26:18

really good character. And I sat down with him in Clemente

1:26:20

the other morning and really, really enjoyable.

1:26:23

And I asked him a question about Steven Clarkson and

1:26:25

his answer resulted in a song. So

1:26:27

enjoy this.

1:26:30

That Cluckston kick was sailing over in 2011.

1:26:33

I read over the song. We never got anybody

1:26:36

to bring it out.

1:26:40

We're over actually the next day after the match, you know. But

1:26:43

the second last, the second last, total

1:26:45

last pair of scholars, up

1:26:49

to pitch Cluckstow ran.

1:26:51

He had a good look at the song. He says, that's the hours

1:26:53

of what this three over. It was

1:26:55

just at the debt. 82,000 heads

1:26:58

I've read. One chicken,

1:27:00

the ball said over. There was hat

1:27:02

and flags flying, grown men and women crying. I seen

1:27:04

drunken people suddenly getting sober.

1:27:07

Kerry, they were sad. It was a bit loud as soon as I

1:27:09

heard them was over. Royan Cullen's

1:27:12

14th stone, all Muslim bone. He

1:27:14

led his team up those famous steps of Kroger.

1:27:17

And we all knew the last thing he had to do was to lift

1:27:19

that Sam away above his shoulders. I

1:27:21

missed a presentation. I was in doctor's medication.

1:27:24

Three points and I just flipped over. Dr.

1:27:26

David Hickey said to me, Dublin Jerry Francis Martin

1:27:29

can't just say it, but he couldn't run. And with

1:27:31

the name of Jerry Casalber. Brilliant.

1:27:36

Oh Jesus, that's fast.

1:27:37

You definitely remember that kick so

1:27:39

with a song like that. And a brilliant

1:27:41

rendition too, Jerry, to be fair.

1:27:43

Yeah. One last one for you, a prediction.

1:27:47

Yeah, and a confident prediction I have to say lads. There's

1:27:49

obviously confidence in both counties ahead of this. Well, it's hard to call it,

1:27:51

but Charlie Redmond

1:27:53

gave a very, very solid back into the dub.

1:27:56

So here's Charlie's a picture of Sunday's game. Charlie

1:27:58

finally, prediction. I

1:28:00

know it's often when your account is involved

1:28:03

it's tough to ask people but how do you see

1:28:05

the game playing out? I see it being

1:28:07

a great game I think if we can get a

1:28:10

good weather on the day I think we have

1:28:12

the two best teams in Ireland playing football and

1:28:14

Crow Park on an earlier final day and what more can you

1:28:16

want. I think we just may have

1:28:18

a little bit too much in our forward line for them

1:28:22

to cope with. As I said they're not a one-street

1:28:25

pony by any means they have good

1:28:27

quality players I just think we have more quality players

1:28:30

but having them and winning the game are two different things

1:28:32

and it's ever going to be whoever gives those big performance

1:28:34

those driving runs in the second half late in second

1:28:37

half who keep going to the end who they can

1:28:39

introduce off the bench and what and how much the

1:28:41

bench can can can can offer I

1:28:44

just think we have a little bit more than them and every department.

1:28:47

There you go Shane anything

1:28:50

else from the the dubs or is it all carry from here

1:28:52

on? It's all carry from here on lads

1:28:54

the dubs have had enough so it's a kingdom of oooh from

1:28:56

here on in.

1:28:57

Right well good luck on your flight

1:28:59

there was one comment that came in for

1:29:02

all Shane's talk about the sardines you may as well be drinking

1:29:04

that kerosene. Sweet

1:29:06

sweet kerosene

1:29:09

I hope

1:29:12

you enjoy the taste. Shane

1:29:14

gives the environment cheers lads cheers. Thanks a

1:29:16

million.

1:29:19

Colin Maloney who has you

1:29:21

know not burned any

1:29:23

fossil fuels to get into the studio this morning how

1:29:25

are you? I don't think I have no short trip

1:29:27

for me to be fair. What's going

1:29:30

on?

1:29:30

Well there's action at the Women's World Cup and Portugal

1:29:32

lead Vietnam by two goals to nil that's approaching half

1:29:35

time in their Group B encounter Portugal well

1:29:37

on top in that match so far kicked off

1:29:39

at half past eight earlier in the same group overnight

1:29:42

the United States and the Netherlands played out a

1:29:44

one-old draw on 11 this morning Australia

1:29:46

take on Nigeria in Group B that of course

1:29:48

Ireland's group after missing out on progress

1:29:51

in the Champions League Shamrock Rovers in conference

1:29:53

league qualifying action tonight there in Hungary for a meeting

1:29:55

with Farange Varas in the second round done dark

1:29:57

face Ka in Iceland Derry city

1:30:00

home to the Coups of Finland Golf.

1:30:02

The Amundi Evian Championship is underway

1:30:05

in France, three players sharing the early lead there

1:30:07

on three under par. Stephanie Meadow, among

1:30:09

the early starters, she's won over through two

1:30:11

holes. Leona Maguire tees off later

1:30:14

today. At the Senior Open Championship in

1:30:16

Wales, lots of Irish interest there. Darren

1:30:18

Clark is the defending champion, tees off at

1:30:20

half-past nine at Royal Port called

1:30:22

Porwick Harrington, among the pre-tournament

1:30:24

favourites. Joe Lyons, Eddie McCormack, Mark

1:30:27

McNulty, Damian Mooney and Eamon O'Connor are

1:30:29

also in the field for that. There's action

1:30:31

here at home as well with the Irish Challenge taking place

1:30:33

on the Challenge Tour at the Heatford Golf Club

1:30:36

in County Meade. In swimming, Moona Maguire

1:30:38

threw to another semi-final at the World Championships in

1:30:40

Japan, progressed in 16th place from

1:30:42

the heats in the 200m breaststroke and

1:30:44

Maguire back in the pool. Later today,

1:30:46

the Irishmen's cricket team in T20

1:30:48

World Cup qualifying action today. They faced

1:30:51

Germany in Edinburgh from half-ten this

1:30:53

morning, a win set to secure Ireland's place at

1:30:55

the tournament next year in racing today at both Leopards

1:30:57

Town and Limerick. They started Leopards

1:30:59

Town

1:30:59

just before 20-5 and Limerick's action underway

1:31:02

from five o'clock. Who do you think is going to win on Sunday? Dublin.

1:31:06

I just think they'll have too much from the bench. Probably,

1:31:11

I think the midfield battle is going to be key

1:31:13

as well. I think James McCarthy and Brian Fenton may have the

1:31:15

edge there. Whether German O'Connor can continue

1:31:17

his really good form will be key for Kerry.

1:31:21

That said, I

1:31:22

don't think Dublin or any team in the country is anyone

1:31:24

to keep David Clifford quite enough that

1:31:26

he will score less than three or four points

1:31:28

from play. So that

1:31:31

may

1:31:31

edge it for Kerry in a very tight match, but I think 15-15,

1:31:35

I think Dublin probably have the better selection. Clifford's

1:31:38

going to score eight, right? If

1:31:40

you get him less than that, you're quite good.

1:31:43

That's a huge achievement, yeah. If he scores 10

1:31:45

or 12, that's very difficult.

1:31:49

Jeremy Connolly was in the papers today saying

1:31:51

that Dublin should not put

1:31:53

half 13. Mark and Clifford just leave one man on

1:31:56

him. Is that not extremely

1:31:58

risky? Well, I think what you're doing

1:31:59

doing is you're accepting that

1:32:02

he's going to score eight

1:32:03

points. And if you can keep everybody

1:32:05

else to between five and eight points,

1:32:08

you're probably going to win. So

1:32:09

everybody

1:32:10

else has to break even and

1:32:12

or better. And you just let Michael

1:32:14

Fitzsimons be disappointed eight

1:32:17

times in the game and take him to the team. It's

1:32:19

Fitzsimons the man. No, he did it last year, didn't he? Yeah,

1:32:24

like, I mean, I think supply is also a thing where

1:32:26

Dublin can, if they can edge the midfield battle and

1:32:28

prevent as much supply going into Clifford that has

1:32:30

done all summer, that obviously will limit the amount

1:32:33

of opportunities they will have to some extent. But

1:32:35

I do think at the other end of the field, Dublin have

1:32:38

enough quality to really put up a big score and

1:32:40

up around the kind of 2022 point mark.

1:32:42

And if they

1:32:42

get that high, it'll be very hard for

1:32:44

Kerry to beat them, I think. So does Karen Kilkenny start? I

1:32:49

think leave them on the bench and bring them in for some impact

1:32:51

the last 15 minutes. I

1:32:54

mean, it's reflective of the depth of talent that

1:32:56

Dublin have in that department that they can afford to leave Kilkenny

1:32:58

off the field. But coming

1:33:01

on to play with some tired

1:33:03

bodies on the field might suit Kilkenny

1:33:05

a little bit better. You saw what Stephen

1:33:07

O'Brien, for example, did for Kerry coming on against Derry.

1:33:09

It is difficult, isn't it? The benches are so difficult. Yeah,

1:33:13

it's difficult to make an impact. But if you can, it can

1:33:15

be match winning, it can be defining. And

1:33:18

I think Kilkenny certainly is the caliber

1:33:20

of player that can do that. But

1:33:23

it's going to be I mean, it's going to be a brilliant match up. And I think

1:33:25

the football championship needs a good final. It

1:33:28

needs something that doesn't kind of I

1:33:31

think it does. But if maybe a great final

1:33:33

will be like a late hit of opium and

1:33:35

we'll forget about what we suffered

1:33:37

through beforehand. Yeah. Yeah.

1:33:40

Yeah. I think it's been largely

1:33:42

a very underwhelming summer between

1:33:44

the provincial championships. And I think the group

1:33:47

stages took a little while to take off. We did

1:33:49

have two good weekends, I think,

1:33:50

towards the end of the group stage. And we've

1:33:53

had like years where there was no good weekend

1:33:55

until the semifinals and finals.

1:33:57

But then the quarterfinals weren't very good.

1:33:59

Quarterfinals traditionally

1:34:01

have not been good. Where semi-finals are

1:34:04

excellent. Semi-finals

1:34:06

are better than I certainly expected

1:34:08

them to be. Definitely, yeah. I

1:34:11

just thought, like last year's final was really good,

1:34:14

I thought, because it was the Wallace Clifford two days.

1:34:17

But then does that kind of trick us into thinking that

1:34:19

the rest of the year isn't so

1:34:21

bad? Last year was a disaster, I think, that there were

1:34:23

so many hammerings. I think this year, I don't

1:34:25

think the rules need to be changed. I think everyone needs to let

1:34:28

it settle for a while to get rid of the provincial

1:34:30

championships link with

1:34:32

the group stages. Yeah. Yeah.

1:34:36

I saw some suggestions that just the provincial winners should

1:34:38

get a pass straight through to the All-Ireland Series

1:34:40

and not the provincial finals. I'd be happy with that. And

1:34:42

then it goes back to your league position. Yeah. And

1:34:45

then

1:34:46

the question of whether the third place team in the group goes

1:34:48

through. I still think. That provided the drama this year,

1:34:50

to be fair. Yeah. I have to say,

1:34:52

at the outset, I thought that it should have been two from each group.

1:34:55

But this year has shown that maybe we should stick with that

1:34:57

for another year and get on.

1:34:59

But I do think it will be a good final. I

1:35:01

do think they are the two best teams

1:35:03

by a distance. All right. Good stuff, Carl. Thanks,

1:35:05

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1:35:07

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1:35:16

Oscar Piastri.

1:35:18

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1:35:30

Is Piastri already cooked? I

1:35:32

mean, he came in with a huge reputation, didn't

1:35:35

he? And in some ways, that didn't suit him, did it? It

1:35:37

wasn't good for a rookie to have this big tug of love thing

1:35:40

going on with Alpene. And

1:35:42

he came up with such a massive reputation of having

1:35:45

won absolutely everything in the

1:35:47

junior formulae. And there aren't too many

1:35:49

drivers who come in with that record in the last few years. So

1:35:52

I mean, the assumption was he was going to be

1:35:54

an absolute A-lister. First

1:35:56

up in Hamilton, that kind of level. And

1:35:59

he's already done it.

1:35:59

He established number two. Now he's

1:36:02

right there. He definitely, I mean, we're not talking

1:36:04

Nick DeFries here. I mean, he's absolutely

1:36:06

right there and that podium's coming for

1:36:09

sure. So,

1:36:11

but is he already slightly damaged goods?

1:36:13

Does he look to the, you know,

1:36:15

if you're Ferrari

1:36:17

or breadboard or anywhere, I mean, you know, if you're

1:36:19

looking to, you know, to

1:36:22

build your team around a driver,

1:36:25

is he gonna be the man or is he already a little

1:36:27

bit second-hand? That's the question.

1:36:29

I don't know, like I sort of, I need to go

1:36:31

through and review a bit more of the piece, but Silverstone,

1:36:34

he was very, very close to Norris, both in qualifying

1:36:36

and the base.

1:36:38

And, you know, all drivers have their track. They're

1:36:40

not so preferred for. We don't know if there's

1:36:42

any setup thing different on the car or anything

1:36:44

that going forward, they'll improve. It's

1:36:46

still his first season, so Hungary

1:36:48

is a tough track.

1:36:50

So to be a little bit off Norris and Hungary,

1:36:52

I don't think they're gonna be really selling

1:36:54

that too bad. Like, let's see how it goes over that. You

1:36:57

know, the Spa's gonna be an interesting one

1:36:59

again because he should know

1:37:00

that track. Every driver knows Spa

1:37:02

very well. So it'd be interesting to see how

1:37:05

that comes out, maybe. OTB

1:37:09

AM. The sports breakfast

1:37:12

show from off the ball. Right,

1:37:14

it's about seven minutes past nine this morning here on

1:37:17

OTBM, the sports breakfast show from off the ball. Vinny

1:37:19

Perth is with us. Vinny, good morning to you.

1:37:21

Let's start by talking to Shama Crover. Is it a really tricky

1:37:23

couple of weeks for them? What's the truth

1:37:26

about the situation that they're going through at the moment? Is it just

1:37:28

down to the injuries or is there something more play here?

1:37:31

Yeah, it's

1:37:33

really interesting what's going on at the moment. I mean, the results

1:37:37

haven't been brilliant and

1:37:39

losing so many games. And

1:37:41

still being comfortable in the league is a story

1:37:44

in itself in terms of,

1:37:46

I think they'll win the league comfortably, but

1:37:48

there's not a bit of transition going

1:37:51

on around that squad. And the

1:37:53

European results were really poor.

1:37:56

And I've always felt from

1:37:58

sort of the cheap seed. in, I always felt

1:38:01

that they lack a little bit of pace and that holds

1:38:03

them back in Europe.

1:38:05

And obviously got to the groupstays

1:38:07

last year at the conference. I just think that

1:38:09

pace helps you win matches at Europe

1:38:12

and be a bit more clinical. And sometimes

1:38:14

they get criticized for calling rollers, not clinical

1:38:16

when they score so many goals domestically, but they

1:38:20

need to step ball away and score

1:38:22

a goal. So I think there's a transformation

1:38:24

needed within the squad, but

1:38:27

every team goes through that and particularly the top teams

1:38:29

and how that's managed is ultimately I

1:38:32

feel how the top managers are judged.

1:38:35

We had it in 17 after in

1:38:37

Wittendauk when we sort of had

1:38:40

the success of 16 Europa

1:38:43

League groupstages. We had a year where we

1:38:45

rebuilt them and were well beaten in

1:38:47

the league by Cork. You've seen Ferguson

1:38:49

over the years rebuild teams and top managers.

1:38:52

I think this is the challenge for Stephen Bradley over

1:38:54

the next period to see can

1:38:57

he rebuild this team to be

1:38:59

a top, top class side again?

1:39:01

Vinny, this Shamachor first team will as

1:39:03

you say will probably win four in a row or certainly have

1:39:05

a very good chance of doing a four in a row domestically,

1:39:08

which is

1:39:08

like a remarkable achievement. To

1:39:11

be considered a great side, do you think that they needed

1:39:14

to achieve more in Europe? Does that leave

1:39:16

a little bit of an maybe

1:39:18

an asterisk is too hard, which is leave something

1:39:20

a little bit missing?

1:39:23

Yeah, difficult one to answer because

1:39:25

I will get a little bit of criticism over,

1:39:28

but I think you've got to be successful

1:39:30

in Europe. You go back to the Great Shell

1:39:32

side under Pat Fendland

1:39:34

and European competitions were

1:39:36