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on Off The Ball. That music means only

0:35

one thing. It's World Cup day. It's

0:37

the Republic of Ireland versus Canada. It's do or die

0:39

and we're all in our jerseys. Adrian

0:41

Barry has made his return. Good morning Adrian. Especially

0:44

for the occasion. Good morning Shane. Only for the day that's in it. And good morning

0:46

Colm. How are things? How are you Shane?

0:47

How are you? I missed you. Missed

0:50

you this afternoon. I did miss you as well. It

0:53

actually looks well. I was here by the way. I

0:55

just

0:56

went home early to do a couple of interviews. You don't need to explain

0:58

yourself Shane. It's fine. It feels

1:00

like a slightly weird conversation that you should be having out

1:02

there. I love the fact that the white

1:04

is in the middle here. It's

1:07

the pick of the three. I'm not going to lie. It's the pick of the three.

1:09

Explain the background behind the

1:12

jerseys. Well, it's

1:14

David Mider's jersey that he wore when he captained Ireland

1:17

against Wales in Cardiff on the 9th of

1:19

October 2017. Which

1:21

was, if everyone remembers, the night that James McLean

1:23

rocketed in with his right foot, bottom right corner.

1:26

And it

1:27

got Ireland to play off against Denmark

1:29

for the 2018 World Cup, which was a disaster. But that

1:31

night was the zenith of the previous era.

1:34

So this jersey, obviously

1:36

here in studio there in the back behind the camera. And

1:38

Mider was in here himself a couple

1:41

of years ago, left it here. So I text him this morning.

1:43

Do you mind if I wear this? Was it not that

1:45

John was in and I was

1:47

in contact with him around then and I said, I think

1:49

that you might send us in expecting to know as

1:51

he was leaving, expected to never hear from him again. And

1:54

about three days later, a package arrives in with

1:57

boots and the jersey. And like he had been

1:59

through. been through the garage

2:01

to pick out the best stuff. Does that not know what happened? For

2:03

people who are just listening, I also have the

2:06

boots that they have in Meider war. You were about

2:08

to name them there and then you found yourself sort of out of your

2:10

depth. No, no, I just only have one boot.

2:13

So I didn't order the store. It's crazy. They're

2:15

still, they're a hybrid of steel and...

2:18

They're a rugby boot aren't they? They are a bit of a rugby

2:20

boot. Yeah, they're like a rugby boot. And

2:22

of course, like the background to the jersey

2:25

being that yourself and as you've said

2:27

occasionally on the show yourself and Dev and Meider were

2:29

best friends growing up. Yeah,

2:32

we grew up together and in the

2:34

same estate. We say park in Cork. Do you

2:36

say park in Mannehyn? As a

2:39

housing estate, we call it the park. A

2:41

housing park? Yeah, we say like what park? Housing estate

2:43

in Mannehyn.

2:44

What park? He's like what park? Books

2:46

to estate. No, we call it housing estate. I think it's

2:48

Cork thing, yeah. So anyway, we go up to the same... We call it housing

2:51

estate. We call it housing estate. We call it housing estate. We

2:53

grew up in the same estate. So

2:56

we pay for park together, yeah. Is it a similar age? Yeah,

2:58

a few months. Oh, that's it? Oh,

3:00

that's it? Best buds. Yeah.

3:03

What sort of size is he compared to you? Would

3:06

you be similar? Because I would have had him as a much

3:08

bigger gentleman.

3:10

He'd be taller. Yeah, he's probably slightly bigger.

3:12

He fits the jersey well, doesn't he? See, this is the advantage. But

3:14

it's a long plane. So I've obviously gone for that. Apologies

3:17

Kev, I haven't texted Kevin Gabban. Unlike

3:21

yourself, I haven't asked for permission to wear this. But

3:24

as you'll see, Kevin Gabban... I texted him to ask him. Yeah,

3:26

I've got you. The second I go, go on, sorry. Aero versus

3:29

France, 14th of November, 09. I think that's

3:31

the difference in eight years, even in international jerseys.

3:34

The sizes were... This is more of a... That's

3:36

a bad one. Even the players looked kind of baggy

3:39

wearing it. Yeah, I just...

3:40

Well, Cabana was like that sort of lie sharp, sort

3:42

of loose situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It worked

3:45

on Kev. I hate that

3:47

color green. It doesn't matter about that

3:49

jersey. But it's good towards poignant

3:51

to wear it because Kev's on the show today. It's not a nice jersey.

3:54

It's not a nice jersey, you know? No, I don't think so. No,

3:57

no, the color is weird. It's

3:59

just...

3:59

The passage of time has made me like a little bit more. And

4:03

Shane asked us beforehand who does

4:05

Jersey remind you of or was it yourself?

4:07

And I said Steven Arndt in his six

4:09

caps. I think that was the Jersey you are. Let

4:11

us know in the comments, the YouTube comments, like aside from the number

4:14

three obviously, which is a... Clinton probably

4:16

actually. Who does the Jersey remind you of? Is Clinton Morrison?

4:18

Yeah.

4:19

It's an Andy O'Brien, but Andy O'Brien is maybe a previous

4:22

one. And

4:24

I'm going for the John Giles look of course. Oh yeah,

4:26

yeah. John Giles OG. Yeah,

4:28

yeah. Yeah, you know that's good stuff. That's a good stuff.

4:31

That's a good stuff. Nice Jersey, yeah. Exciting

4:33

stuff lads, because if we draw against

4:36

Canada, it's not the end of the world potentially,

4:38

but a defeat is a disaster. We need to play for

4:40

a win today. If it's the last time we can hype. Do

4:43

we need to play for a win? That is actually, that is the question

4:46

of the day. Well look, we'll be with Kathleen in a few minutes

4:48

from Perth and Kathleen was talking about in the World Cup show

4:50

with Shane O'Carlin and Will O'Callaghan yesterday about

4:53

the likelihood and their predictions. And I think

4:55

Kathleen, not to speak on her behalf too much, just hoping

4:58

for a 2-1, but is a bit more

5:00

pessimistic. Where are we going to get two goals from? Not

5:02

to be, not to be pessimistic. Except pieces. Look,

5:05

like, we always say that. It took 17 minutes

5:07

for us to get our first corner against Australia

5:10

and I think we ended up with a half a dozen. And

5:12

two of those corners nearly went directly in. So

5:14

McCabe and Connolly's delivery.

5:16

Fantastic. So two

5:18

of those, six could be easier gone in. You remember

5:20

the quality of opposition you're playing against as well, but I do think that

5:24

an expectation,

5:26

your desire for us to go and sort of score

5:29

a few goals and to go gung-ho to win the game

5:32

versus Vera Powell's

5:33

approach, there

5:35

are going to be different things. Like we've been

5:37

watching the team for long enough now to know that she's never going to go

5:40

throw caution to the wind here. She

5:43

didn't throw caution to the wind in

5:45

the opening game against Australia when a lot

5:47

of people were saying, should we get Amber Barrett

5:49

on? Like possibly even that she's looking at the goal

5:52

difference gone. Actually

5:54

one nil is not the end of the world here. If we

5:56

hold on to this, two nil could see us out,

5:58

one nil in the end. Actually might see us through

6:01

so I wouldn't be expecting her to go gung-ho for this

6:03

like and I don't think I think it draw Is

6:06

not a bad result

6:07

and draws a very good result Very

6:10

good result today and then Australia win by

6:12

two goals against our against Nigeria tomorrow if

6:15

like let's let's let's get Australia to go

6:18

and blitz the group and Runs

6:20

walk through as group winners

6:23

and then do us a favor against Canada

6:25

in the last game And then if we can manage

6:27

a draw today And then we end up in a position

6:30

where we have to beat Nigeria the last round

6:32

of games

6:33

To go through and I think that's an ideal scenario I

6:36

take that I take that if you're offering me that now in five

6:38

hours time I take it I'm more

6:40

nervous for this game than I was for the opening game the

6:42

opening game felt like an event

6:44

It was an event. Yeah, definitely. There's more for this

6:46

feels like a tournament like a football match

6:48

that has

6:49

Actual jeopardy. I think I think you're right

6:52

even though it's only two six days ago It's

6:54

kind of a memory already like you were Shane

6:56

you were covering the other which hurting final build

6:58

up for us And you were in

7:00

the Quaid household and it was and

7:02

watched it there That's an amazing memory like a limerick

7:04

to watch the game there And then very

7:06

rare and then present the show the next day like to know talking

7:08

about it. So, um

7:11

No, like last Thursday really felt like something

7:13

and I Kathleen gave this amazing rousing

7:15

speech Just outside stadium

7:17

Australia like and it was just incredible

7:19

I Was

7:22

that good It

7:24

was it was really like like those

7:27

days are it's like genuinely a privilege You know to

7:29

actually be on air and talk about it Whereas your

7:31

I think I agree to completely today feels

7:33

way more like a football match No, like it's just like this

7:36

is a this is jeopardy here like I Also

7:39

think that's partly because we've shown

7:41

now that we can live with that, you know, like

7:43

we weren't blitzed out of it We were

7:45

possibly unfortunate some regards not to get a draw out of it There's

7:48

too many people saying we should have won the game but like we

7:50

are happy in this company like There's

7:53

a breath now We're okay.

7:55

And it's a it's a fair 20 and a half thousand-seater stadium

7:58

as opposed to 80 and it's gonna be majority Irish

8:00

fans as opposed to Canadian. Like, there

8:02

are a couple of things away from the football playing

8:04

into our hands. Obviously the injury

8:06

concerns to Luis Quinn and Heather Payne.

8:09

Yeah, Payne's a big one, isn't it? Because who's

8:12

gonna play on the right side if Payne doesn't?

8:14

And that could mean a

8:16

cabinet reshuffle like Janone's. And

8:18

also, like, the big question is, Abby Darrick,

8:20

I'm gonna start, and we're just achieving that.

8:24

But also, on the other side, like, going back to this

8:26

pure football aspect, like, Canada

8:28

are gonna have Jesse Fleming back. Yeah.

8:30

Creator,

8:32

Chelsea Wonder. And that could be a big

8:34

problem. But, like, Canada are seventh in the world,

8:36

reigning Olympic champions. Their

8:39

defence, like, are star-studded in terms of the clubs

8:41

that they represent versus the Irish

8:43

contingent. But if all is not

8:45

well in Canada, like, the Federation's approach

8:47

to the team is woeful. Kev again

8:49

goes into detail about it later on. And there is

8:52

a chance here, like, you know, there is really a chance,

8:54

a bit like last week when Sam Kerr was

8:56

ruled out through the calf injury. There was a chance

8:58

there, and we nearly got a point. And it's

9:01

not like Canada are complete world beaters here.

9:03

And that's, I suppose, why the real nerves are there and the trepidation

9:05

is that there's no reason why Ireland couldn't

9:07

get a result here. The thing with Canada is

9:09

you could argue that they're a higher-octane version

9:11

of this Irish setup, so defensively-minded,

9:14

very, very solid, hard to break down. Don't squirt

9:16

off a lot of goals themselves, which is a stats show for the last

9:18

number of games. So are they just a better version

9:20

of Ireland? That's the question. I'm

9:22

almost concerned because Canada were unimpressive

9:24

in the first game. Like, surely

9:26

a team like Talebert can't do it twice

9:28

in a row. Maybe it does happen, maybe Canada

9:31

are just off at the moment. But they, you know, I think we were talking

9:33

about yesterday it's like the French men's team

9:35

in 2010 World Cup, where they had a lot of talent,

9:37

but all was not well. There was disharmony in the

9:39

group. World Cups were where you just make a

9:41

bad start. Like, it's not unknown

9:43

that teams grow into it. But at the same time, it's

9:46

not like even something like a Six Nations

9:48

or like a torn breathe a bit of time between. They're

9:50

pretty bloody quick succession. And if there's any doubts,

9:52

start creeping to the gamp about where you're going. No, in fairness,

9:55

Argentina lost to Saudi Arabia in the men's World Cup

9:57

last November in the first game. And then it happened.

9:59

But I don't think Canada in that league

10:02

of that Argentina side, you know, so I

10:04

like that's why I think there's a lot of fear But what like

10:06

what do you think's gonna happen today?

10:07

Result ways. I'm almost there to even think

10:10

about it. I'm going my heart today I went out whereas I was

10:12

going with the head very much in advance this training game I was very

10:14

negative before this training game today,

10:17

I think I

10:18

Think we can nick a one little win something like Gianni

10:21

Infantino there I thought you were gonna I think

10:23

that's I think that's I think that's

10:25

an emotional car Possibly what possibly

10:27

is like on paper you'd

10:29

have to say that

10:30

the likelihood is that you

10:32

know, we're not gonna get Anything out of

10:34

this game But like I said, I think that

10:37

that has slightly gone out the window a little bit just in the evidence

10:39

of the first game

10:40

I think we can I think like I

10:43

think the players are increasingly acutely

10:46

aware of our inability of scoring goals,

10:48

right? Yeah And you're not saying that for a second that

10:50

like, you know They need reminding the fact

10:52

that is it one goal in five of the last

10:54

six games whatever it is They're leading

10:57

no reminder that it's not like they don't have a desire

10:59

to score the goals Mmm, but I

11:01

do think that like I think it's a possibility we can we

11:03

can make something today

11:05

I'm gonna go for one off one all. Yeah,

11:07

you see but I take that Well,

11:10

you certainly do you take your arm off for one all one

11:12

of in Canada's last 13 meetings with European

11:15

teams Haven't scored more

11:17

than once So

11:19

I'm saying that's like what

11:21

the staff say we don't play well in may or whatever

11:26

Yeah, I love it. I don't know. It's not it's not

11:28

Sally March. It hadn't scored in March There's

11:33

no real reference point here like the only meeting

11:35

of these two sizes and the 2014 cypress

11:37

cup

11:38

Right. So oh, yeah, so we if you

11:41

remember it. So yeah, it's

11:43

It's very hard to judge like but

11:45

like there's I don't need us too much to fear

11:48

from Canada, you know, you have Christine Sinclair who's

11:50

trying to break the record of

11:52

Scoring in the most number of workups in

11:54

row six

11:55

six were cops like I know the Brazilian marathon

11:58

as well as also Trying to get that in this tournament

11:59

and 24 caps she's got for Canada. 190

12:02

goals. She missed the penalty against Nigeria but

12:04

as Kathleen's saying,

12:05

no guarantee that she starts even, especially

12:08

with Fleming back to know because they could get each other's way. They did

12:10

score. Because sometimes 40 years old. Yeah.

12:12

Aside from the fact that Fleming's come back in, they didn't score against

12:14

Nigeria and we have a tight defence.

12:16

Why do we feel on that note about

12:18

Fira Pau yesterday saying that like, listen,

12:21

they're, you know, they're good players but they're not

12:23

the quickest defence?

12:25

Like Canada. About Ireland. Oh about Ireland,

12:27

yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that was, I have to

12:29

say, I think that was justification. That's just a reality. Right,

12:31

it wasn't a defence mechanism.

12:33

True, you're absolutely right, but

12:36

could you not, could you, is there another way

12:38

to, I felt it was a bit clumsy.

12:40

Do you think she's, well, clumsy or too candid

12:43

for a public consumption? Both, probably. I mean,

12:45

it's reality, everybody's

12:48

acutely aware of it. Do you need to repeat it in front

12:50

of the media?

12:51

I'd say she says it in front of the players are trained in some sort of,

12:53

probably not the fastest defence. I wouldn't have an issue with

12:56

that. Yeah. But saying it in front of the media felt

12:58

a bit trap-esque. Maybe. You

13:00

know, like everybody's aware that managers will

13:03

paint their own reality to make themselves

13:05

look as good as they possibly can, right? And they'll

13:07

be delivering certain measures all over the place in

13:09

press conferences and whatever else. That's just the way it goes, post-match

13:12

interviews. But I just think something is... Could

13:14

be mind games. Felt to me a bit clumsy.

13:17

Could be mind games, yeah. But it's true. Oh,

13:20

it's definitely true. It's definitely, there's no

13:22

doubt that the lack of pace at the back is a

13:24

bit of a concern. A few of the comments coming in the YouTube,

13:27

of course, starting off with the jerseys. Terry

13:29

Kelly says, morning lads, love the shirts. I think Colin's shirt

13:31

is the one of the nicest ever. Steve

13:34

McCarthy says, Adrian wins the jersey war.

13:37

Kahlil Dardie, I like Adrian's jersey as it is the same

13:39

age as Kahlil. I don't think

13:41

so. I would say it's like 10 years older. It's Giles.

13:44

It's Giles' jersey. Yeah. Kahlil, come on.

13:47

We haven't put your glasses on this morning. Kahlil or Kahlil? I haven't

13:49

had an idea this morning. Kahlil Dardie,

13:51

let us know in the comments. Are you Kahlil

13:54

or Kahlil? One thing we can be sure of, he'll

13:56

be Kahlil. He'll

13:57

be... Well... Not established

13:59

just before... that the name is actually Kahl. You're

14:01

Kahl Dardie, I do know unless you come from the...

14:03

Kahl Dardie and Marlon who's from Donegal and

14:06

I think he'd agree with me that it's Kahl Dardie.

14:09

Well, unless you're from Ulster, I would say

14:11

you're Kahl. Okay, that's the

14:13

cut off point. That would be my... Do

14:16

you know? It's fine. And that's speaking

14:18

of Donegal. In the Kahl, former Kahl-y used

14:20

to say Meath. Meath? Yeah, no,

14:22

I... That's mentoring. That would be

14:24

an Ulster thing. No, it's not. No, no, no. We

14:27

have Mexicans like ourselves say Tyrone. Yeah,

14:29

but that's

14:30

outrageous. You say Tyrone or Tyrone? It's

14:33

Trone. It's Trone, yeah. Like,

14:35

I know that Tyrone people go... They just do... It's

14:38

a Trone. C-H-R-O-N-E. Yeah,

14:40

Trone. It's Trone if you're from there. But Meath, no, I'd

14:43

never say Meath.

14:44

It's a pretty soft T-H.

14:46

Where is he going with Meath? I'm

14:49

not sure everyone in Donegal does that.

14:51

I'll ask Lachlan Harris. We'll find out. We'll

14:53

find out. Everybody says 10pm kickoff here in Sydney

14:55

on a school night too. So

14:57

that'll be what, 8pm local time in Perth? Kickoff.

15:01

1pm Irish time for the kickoff for that game. John

15:04

Buckley bringing us back down to Earth. Ireland

15:06

never looked like he's going against Australia. Um...

15:10

No. I agree

15:12

with different Irish parts but right at the end McCabe has

15:14

that chance. Yeah, not bad. You know, when she

15:16

has to put it on to her... shift it on to her right foot. Louise

15:18

Quinn's glancing header. Also when McCabe puts

15:21

Kira Carusa through in the first half of her 20 minutes, if

15:24

Cruz Carusa reads that ball better she's through. But look,

15:26

largely we didn't create enough chance. But also the quality of opposition,

15:28

so come on. It's not like you're... Well I know but we

15:30

didn't practically do enough I don't think. And

15:32

I do think McCabe has wasted that deep, personally.

15:35

There would have been a very... If we hadn't clumsily

15:38

given away a penalty we wouldn't be that

15:40

worried about not being gung-ho on our

15:42

approach. Still things would be disappointing. Yeah,

15:45

Rupert Ducky makes a good point.

15:46

He says everybody involved are adults, the

15:48

team don't need to be molly coddled. Facts are facts if

15:50

you're slow, you're slow. I think

15:53

that's fair. Are also is if

15:55

your Appell so confident that she's like I don't mind

15:57

saying this to her opponents. I think in the

15:59

middle of a...

15:59

World Cup as I said I'm

16:02

not disputing the veracity of what you're saying

16:04

it's true

16:05

but I just think in the middle of a World Cup

16:07

there's a subtlety to your language are

16:09

the players looking at that going oh that's great thanks

16:11

for that's that's I don't think the players care I

16:13

think the players are looking at that going Jesus would you do

16:15

is a favor like

16:16

you know like I know she's also complimenting

16:19

them by saying they're very good players and

16:22

as I said the pay thing is obvious yeah it's been

16:24

there for long enough we're all aware of it but

16:26

just things is another way of saying it. Any comments come

16:28

in Evan Morahan good friend of mine from from

16:31

Monaghan is watching him from I think Sid he's

16:33

from Monaghan. He's actually from Monaghan but his father's from Lewisburg

16:35

and Mayo so that's where that comes in. Shout

16:37

out to you Evan and all the lads watching in Australia ahead

16:39

of the game and tonight I guess where

16:42

the lads are and that's NPM

16:44

kick off in Sydney I guess that's that's difficult

16:46

for fans over there. Michael says I'm enjoying the

16:48

World Cup so far standard is good so I

16:50

don't face a challenge

16:51

wish them all the best today. Everyone's

16:53

wondering where who's your daddy went and enjoyed his holly

16:55

years. There's a few of those comments

16:58

to that effect of course Jerrick came back last week

17:00

and

17:01

bronzed guard. Bronzed

17:03

Adonis. And I'm just Nadonis. Freckled

17:07

Adonis. No no I need to wear

17:09

a factor 50 and also I where

17:11

I was in France I was our

17:14

former colleague now producer at the Pat Kenny Show Sue

17:16

Murphy who popped her head around the corner earlier

17:19

on yeah to welcome me back and give me a dig in the ribs and

17:22

was onto me saying oh could you come on and talk about

17:24

the oppressive heat in Europe and

17:26

it was overcast and 2025

17:28

degrees mostly so. Fair.

17:30

I'll tell you where you won't get a cutter at the moment.

17:34

Oh the producer always does this segment.

17:37

When the presenter won't do it the producer will do it. Kathleen

17:42

McNamee live from Perth good morning good

17:44

afternoon.

17:46

Afternoon guys. Yeah I thought my arm was about to fall

17:49

off there listening to you chat about different things

17:51

but yeah it's absolutely the lasting reign

17:53

in France at the moment. I don't know if you can see it I'm just at

17:55

the band festival. Behind

17:57

me we have a game ongoing. Lots of

17:59

more. I think I've only seen

18:02

about three or four Canadian jerseys, a couple

18:04

of Canadian fans have walked in and then just walked

18:06

straight out again. So I have to

18:08

say that Irish definitely taking over Paris at the

18:10

moment.

18:11

Is the rain a good thing for us? I'm going to try

18:13

and stretch it to that. Probably

18:17

sued us better. Could lead to a game

18:20

that was a little bit more all over the shop,

18:22

which may not be a bad thing. It's

18:24

not a good thing for me because I have to sit in that for

18:27

two hours. But yeah, I think it's supposed to stop

18:29

by the time the game stops this evening. The pitch

18:31

was poggered over mostly yesterday, so I assume

18:33

it's the same today to protect it

18:35

from the rain. So I actually don't think it's going to make

18:38

that bad of a difference. It's been actually a lot

18:40

of homework in here.

18:41

Sorry, temperature wise, did you say? Is it cool?

18:43

You said it was cool yesterday. Yeah, it's cold. It's

18:47

like a kind of classic Irish summer day

18:49

here at the moment, except it's in the middle of the winter for

18:51

Australia. Has

18:54

Perth livened up a touch

18:56

or has it still, I guess, closer to the kickoff?

18:59

You expected to liven up a little bit? A little

19:01

bit.

19:02

I'm at the Fan Festival

19:04

now, so obviously you're talking to people who are actually

19:07

here because of the match, so there's definitely a bit more

19:09

of an atmosphere. I

19:11

was in an Irish bar last night and there was a

19:13

good atmosphere around the place, but also a lot of people

19:15

didn't even know the World Cup was happening. So of

19:18

all the cities I've been to, I feel like Perth maybe

19:20

hasn't fully caught up with the World Cup 5.

19:24

We were talking to some Perth glory fans who were saying that the stadium

19:26

here is actually a really, really good football

19:28

stadium. It's quite small because

19:31

of that. It means that the crowds that

19:33

they get are generally 8 or 9,000 for their A

19:35

League games over here. So

19:37

a lot of the local fans actually bought tickets, so they just

19:39

wanted to see what the stadium is like. So the muscle

19:41

atmosphere will be like with the Irish fans. So

19:44

it should be a good crack later. I'm also making my

19:46

Australian TV debut later

19:49

on. It's going to be on the World Cup coverage over

19:51

here. So yeah. I might not come back

19:53

now. I just might save here.

19:54

Yeah. Can you hand in

19:56

your notice on air? This is impressive. This just

19:58

happened. Yeah. Kathleen,

20:00

I was listening to you on the World Cup show yesterday

20:03

with Snedo Carlin with Lachalahin. You were hoping for a 2-1

20:06

win against Canada, but you're a bit more pessimistic

20:08

now that you've slept on it. Anything changed?

20:12

In my heart, I would love

20:14

it too, but I don't think it's going to be that. I

20:16

think they'll probably be 2-1 to

20:19

Canada. I just don't know where

20:21

the goals are going to come from. That's the thing. If we... Well,

20:24

we know we have a proven goal store on the bench, but if

20:27

we had a proven goal store that we knew here was

20:29

going to play, I think things would be a little bit different.

20:32

But I think with the way the weather is at the moment

20:35

and the conditions that they're probably going to be, it's

20:37

going to be difficult either way to get that goal.

20:41

I've actually upgraded my World Cup hopes of us

20:43

getting out of the group to us actually scoring a goal

20:46

at some stage. I was listening to you talking

20:48

for, and I think it was someone who

20:50

wrote in to say Ireland didn't look like scoring a goal at any

20:52

stage against Australia. I don't think that's fair

20:54

or true. I think the last 10-15 minutes

20:57

between the McKay and the Quinn Champs, we did look

20:59

like scoring a goal, but I will totally

21:01

accept that for the rest of the game. We didn't look like

21:03

scoring a lot much. So yeah,

21:06

it's a difficult one.

21:06

Is there a chance, Kathleen, that some

21:09

of the suggestions this morning, I'm looking at the sun here in front of me saying

21:11

that Abby Larkin will start today. Is there a chance that Amber Barrett

21:13

goes through the group stages here without seeing a minute

21:15

to play?

21:18

Yeah, I was actually just talking to a couple

21:20

of the lads here that worked through the PFA

21:22

and they were saying something similar that

21:24

they actually don't reckon that Amber

21:26

is going to get 80 minutes, which doesn't

21:28

make any sense at all. But like we had said

21:31

this from the minute the team was picked, we were like,

21:33

we're stressing over this 23,

21:35

even though we know realistically, Vera is probably

21:37

only going to play between 13

21:40

and 15 players throughout the entire tournament.

21:42

I don't think she's the sort that's going to just give

21:45

players minutes either, just for

21:47

the sake of it. So it's disappointing

21:49

because I think, especially in a game like

21:52

today, if it's 20 minutes from the end, we

21:54

haven't scored, we need to go line up,

21:56

put on Amber Barrett, like we need a result tonight

21:59

and we don't really... want to be going into the

22:01

final game depending on other teams

22:03

to get a result to make sure that we go through

22:05

so I'm all for putting her on

22:07

but I will see what Vera

22:09

does, I'm not optimistic about

22:11

her. Yeah I agree I think like as

22:14

you say Vera is not someone to give a cap

22:16

to someone just for the sake of it but I think if there's 20 minutes

22:18

left, 15 minutes left and I'm gonna go down the

22:21

whole country will be screaming at the TV

22:23

saying this isn't an Amber Barrett cap for the sake

22:25

of it this is an Amber Barrett cap because we need a bloody

22:27

goal like so I don't know

22:29

like Vera Power if we lose each of

22:31

these games in the group by a goal

22:33

or we draw one of the games and we end up not qualifying

22:36

like Vera Power is gonna be under serious heat for

22:38

not bringing on Amber Barrett I would imagine.

22:42

I think so and I think like she has proven herself

22:44

in the sense that you know after

22:47

not playing for those six months after

22:49

that they might in Scotland and Handon

22:51

Park and then coming on for those warm-up

22:53

games and performing the way she did and

22:55

showing once again that when she puts her mind to it

22:58

she can score a goal I mean she scored one of

23:00

our only goals from open play in

23:02

the last like year well actually

23:04

two of our only open goals from open play in the last year

23:07

so

23:07

so it's kind of frustrating as to

23:09

why she's not giving that chance all that much

23:12

I mean Vera's been very coy on it whenever she has

23:14

been asked and said that it's tactical reasoning

23:16

and I mean we all know that she likes her players

23:18

to be runners and she likes them being

23:21

able to sorry I got distracted

23:23

by the match that's going on in the background for me there

23:25

I thought it was a goal. We know

23:27

that she likes those like athletic

23:30

style players but Amber has

23:32

proven that she works well in getting

23:34

us a goal so

23:35

why not give her that shot. Kathleen

23:38

the referee's decision after

23:40

Vera checks now is being heard by the whole stadium

23:43

which is something I haven't seen before and it's a

23:45

very good TV product for the viewer but

23:48

does it translate to actually being in the stadium?

23:51

Not massively from what I've seen.

23:54

Generally it's kind of a bit muffled and

23:57

hard to make out so you're kind of relying

23:59

on the information. that you're getting through online

24:01

rather than what you're actually hearing in the stadium.

24:04

But as you say, it's a good TV product and I think

24:06

there's some things that they still need to work

24:08

out a little bit with it, but I think if they keep developing

24:10

it, they'll be a really, really good addition. You'd

24:14

wonder, like, there's comments of modecums

24:17

of positivity coming in. A lot of people

24:19

on the Amber Barrett stuff as well, Ashing Enright says, crazy

24:21

if Barrett doesn't get time in the pitch. Shane

24:24

says, n'en I'll drop, just hope we don't have Louise Quinn

24:26

playing the Shane Duffy role again while Amber Barrett remains on

24:28

the bench. That's the thing as well. It won't be

24:30

crazy that she doesn't get a minute if we

24:32

end up winning the game 1-0. Yeah. So

24:35

let's not get too far ahead of ourselves with

24:37

the Amber. I was certainly one of the people looking

24:39

at the game the last day going bloody hell, give her a chance.

24:41

But

24:43

let's see what happens today. Yeah. Well, it was interesting

24:45

yesterday because Pierre Caruso was actually

24:47

asked yesterday by one of the journalists,

24:50

how would you feel if Louise Quinn took

24:52

your position? Because obviously she was moved

24:54

up the pitch for those final few minutes

24:56

in Sydney. And Pierre kind of laughed

24:59

it off a little bit, but then was like in all seriousness,

25:01

we know it was a team that Louise is the sort of

25:03

player who can get those in each punch

25:06

moments with her head in that way. So

25:08

it's kind of funny that even the

25:10

team have no key accepted that that's

25:12

the only way we are going to get gold

25:14

when in reality you would think

25:16

that, you know, there is a lot of other possibilities.

25:19

I mean, it's like we are going into the team at halftime

25:21

and telling them that the game is going to be decided by

25:24

either an Australian mistake or an Ireland mistake.

25:26

Like when a game is that much in the balance, why aren't you

25:28

saying to the team, you know, this is

25:30

a great opportunity to make, you

25:33

know, a little bit of history for ourselves. It's all in the

25:35

balance. Let's go for it. Don't be putting it in

25:37

their heads. They're going to make a mistake. So I feel like everyone

25:40

has been listening to Vera for a long time.

25:42

Maybe some of the messages are starting to pick

25:44

in in a way that they shouldn't and that it's

25:48

a negative way of looking at the games and the negative

25:50

side of things, I think, which is always the very

25:52

thing. Well, we're going to try to roll tough.

25:55

Like try something at the end of the day. I

25:57

kind of

25:57

tend to agree like that that thing

25:59

of.

25:59

waiting you know even if you're gonna win it go

26:02

in this game it's gonna be an Australian mistake that's quite

26:04

reactive like

26:05

go and do it you know I don't like to

26:07

hear things and it's halftime team talk this is gonna be decided

26:09

by either mistake by us or mistake

26:12

by Australia because that means we can't just go out and win the game

26:15

yeah like I've talked to so many players since

26:17

then and they've all said the exact same thing

26:19

they're like the minute your coach says that you

26:22

have in your head about making a mistake that's

26:24

I like whether you try to or not it's unconsciously

26:27

there so like I

26:29

don't understand what she was doing

26:31

a lot of us weren't even at that press conference

26:34

because we were at the mix zone after the

26:36

game but I wish more of us had been

26:38

so you could kind of properly put her on what she was

26:40

talking about.

26:42

Kathleen I'm interested in your just when you were talking about

26:44

sort of sleepy part there right and like 76,000 at the

26:47

opener against

26:49

Australia the Bulls the hype like full-on Broadway

26:51

right and there is a bit of a and I'm looking

26:53

at some of the numbers that FIFA have put out about the

26:56

the domestic audience for the game off

26:58

the charts like it was very much center

27:00

the universe at that time it's

27:03

a World Cup but there is a bit of an off-Broadway feel

27:05

about this and you're going to a ground is it 25,000 is it just

27:08

over 20,000 at the game

27:10

today is there is there a bit

27:12

of a I'm not saying it's come down it's a World Cup it's

27:15

off the charts right in that regard but like it's not

27:17

the glitz of the first game so is

27:20

there something in that for the players to have to manage themselves

27:22

almost

27:24

I don't even know but so much that's why people are just

27:26

leaving now because the game is finished all

27:29

off for a few points or something I imagine and

27:32

I think it's probably more actually the time

27:34

between the games rather than how

27:36

long or how

27:39

like in prison today like I was chatting to

27:41

Rihanna Jarrett earlier and she was saying to

27:43

that the scene hotel this morning and that the team

27:46

just want to play this game it's been such

27:48

a long time since last

27:50

week and like there's obviously massive build-up

27:52

to like you were saying and then the back it's an 8

27:54

o'clock pick off as well he said that the

27:56

players are just like let us just get out onto

27:58

the pitch I think like for them

28:01

because they were in Brisbane and then over to

28:03

Perth, it's fine.

28:06

Sorry, sorry,

28:08

Paul started coming in and sent me off.

28:11

Because it was in Brisbane

28:13

first and then they came over to Perth, I think they

28:16

kind of had that time in the busier city

28:18

and I imagine the down flag hasn't been the worst thing

28:20

in the world. Like you

28:22

walk around Perth and there's still like Irish

28:25

jerseys to be seen and probably

28:27

for them maybe a little bit more anonymity than they would have had.

28:30

In Sydney, you know, they're being stopped anytime

28:32

they left their hotel in Sydney for autographs and

28:34

stuff. So not necessarily a bad thing

28:37

having a little bit of more chill time here

28:39

before heading back to Brisbane.

28:41

What's the Canadian outlook towards

28:44

Ireland? Bev Preetzman was saying yesterday,

28:46

a lot of respect for Ireland,

28:48

they work hard and all that but she said I hope our

28:50

quality shines through. Do

28:52

they feel like Ireland aren't much

28:55

of a footballing threat?

28:57

Yeah, I think so. There was

29:00

a bit of conservation yesterday after

29:02

Bev's previous installment and she kind of rolled them

29:04

back a bit when she was like, oh, Ireland

29:06

are all passionate and hard but basically Canada

29:08

are quality. We had Carmelina

29:10

Moscato on the Quiggy podcast

29:13

yesterday, which all of the folks

29:15

of all users can get wherever they normally get their podcasts

29:17

and she used to play for Canada. It was in three

29:19

World Cups, you know, won a top title, Olympic

29:22

bronze medal and she was saying that

29:24

this team was like really, really disappointed with that

29:26

result against Nigeria and because of all

29:28

the ongoing stuff with their federation

29:30

back home, they really, really want to get

29:32

a result. They've obviously targeted

29:34

the likes of Katie McCabe, Denise O'Sullivan

29:36

and they think they're going to be able to nullify them

29:39

and they're going to have Jesse Fleming

29:41

back as well for this match, which is absolutely

29:43

massive for them. It's the equivalent

29:45

of us not having Katie or Denise for the

29:47

first game and then coming back for the second game. So

29:50

yeah, they're feeling quietly confident. One of the battles

29:52

they were saying that they're looking forward to Katie

29:54

and Ashley Lawrence. Ashley Lawrence just signed

29:56

for Chelsea before the World Cup and is a really,

29:59

really good player. Normally based on the opposite

30:01

wings in Haiti, but they reckon the bed freestyle

30:04

might switch her over to kind of take her out

30:06

a little bit

30:07

Jesus I've got

30:09

the upside wetted now. It's a it's a build-up

30:12

nicely I can't listen enjoy the game

30:14

and No, no people can can keep up to date

30:16

on the off the ball social channels on your own Twitter as well for

30:18

updates But yeah, enjoy the build-up on the

30:20

match itself

30:23

Thanks guys, I'm gonna Kathleen might meet live

30:25

for us there in Perth 1 p.m. Kickoff Irish

30:27

times just five hours to go until

30:29

I can get on the way as Kathleen mentioned there the

30:31

co-igig pod We're gonna have loads of build up by the way

30:34

between now and 10 o'clock for the match Linda Gorman is standing

30:36

by We're gonna dive deeper

30:38

into the match with her Anthony Moyles then around 20 past

30:40

eight or so preview in the all-around senior football Final between

30:43

Dublin and Kerry this weekend. We've got Keith wood

30:46

a roundabout eight fifty or so picking

30:48

his current world Robie 15 and

30:50

Maeve to burka with more build up to the match at ten past nine

30:52

with Kevin Gabban Chatting to her

30:54

own column here from around half past nine

30:56

as well after the break Linda Gorman in studio The

31:03

sports breakfast show from off

31:05

the ball

31:10

Indeed

31:11

two minutes past eight on this Wednesday

31:13

mornings Oh to be M the sports breakfast showing

31:15

off the ball with myself and the Adrian live with

31:17

you right through until ten o'clock Continuing the build-up now to the

31:20

Republic of Ireland versus Canada 1 p.m. Irish time

31:22

kickoff delighted to say Linda Gorman has joined us back in studio

31:24

More than Linda.

31:25

Good morning. Thanks for happening. The

31:27

night to be here. You've got the hat with you as well

31:30

I've never said I've never seen anything like it But listen,

31:33

there's quite a few of them over in the in

31:35

in Perth today I can tell you because that was

31:37

made for by me for me for

31:40

by a friend in who lives in Sheriff

31:42

Street So she's made quite a

31:44

few of them.

31:44

It's roasting on a summer's day. Who

31:47

cares? Work on it

31:49

that Linda that is not that's not something you're

31:51

buying in one of these. No, no, just this hands It's

31:53

crocheted. It's over a cap. Oh,

31:56

yeah, you know to give it the effect.

31:58

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah some people think I'm Mexican

32:00

for hell and everything. Yeah, today

32:02

you're definitely Irish, 100%. Are you

32:04

feeling nervous, optimistic? How's

32:07

the head for this one?

32:08

I'm very optimistic today. Yeah,

32:11

I'm really, really feeling good today

32:13

because of the results that

32:16

the Canadians had. Yeah,

32:18

they haven't been all that impressive, have they, in recent

32:20

months? Well, I don't think so. I mean,

32:22

people look at them at coming from the pack of

32:24

having won the Olympics, but I haven't

32:27

really been impressed with them. And the Nigerians

32:29

put it up to them, you know. And

32:31

if I'm correct, they have two yellow cards

32:34

coming into this game. So

32:36

it's interesting to know who they're going to,

32:38

what the team line-out will be. If

32:40

you're not feeling that they're going to because we were chatting

32:42

about earlier on, that teams

32:44

can sometimes start off a little bit slowly and work their way in.

32:47

You're seeing more worrying signs

32:49

from a Canadian point of view in the lead-in to this.

32:50

Yeah, because they absolutely have to get a result.

32:53

You know what I mean? They're quite

32:55

ahead of us in the rankings

32:57

as well. And, I mean, they're very disappointed. I

33:01

would be crazily disappointed

33:03

not having gotten something out of the last game. So

33:06

I think, again, the pressure is on them. You

33:08

know, now we're going to want to show what we can

33:10

do, and we will be cautious. But

33:13

I'm hoping that we will have a little more

33:15

of an attacking setup. And

33:17

it's a completely different game

33:20

because the Irish will have done their homework very well. They would have done

33:22

their homework, Vera would have done her homework, and

33:25

the Canadians would have done their homework. And,

33:27

of course, they're always going to be trying to match who

33:29

can we cancel out on the Irish team.

33:32

And to be quite honest with you, I think the girls on

33:34

the Irish team, I mean, if Katie

33:36

McCabe is going to be targeted, if

33:38

Denise Sullivan is going to be targeted, that

33:41

just suits them down to the ground. They'll

33:44

come out with something. They'll come out on top because

33:46

they read the game very well. Another

33:49

thing about being targeted

33:51

and trying to play out a game is that

33:54

you can do things to draw people

33:56

to release other players just because you are the

33:58

player that you are. You know so

34:00

if they could draw two or three players

34:03

to them if they're on the ball and they're smart

34:05

enough to release the Ball early we might

34:07

have the advantage

34:09

Jesse Fleming being back as the playmaker

34:11

presumably that's a direct battle with her and Katie McKay

34:14

ability. It's gonna be physical either way

34:16

Listen I love a physical

34:18

game myself And it's that's what you have

34:21

to do when you're going up you have to try and look for the

34:23

weaknesses And we all have weaknesses, but

34:25

Katie's not going to lie down on under

34:27

this one. Absolutely not

34:29

There are a couple of injury concerns mentioned

34:31

in the in the papers which Have

34:33

been concerning us all week. I guess Louise Quinn and

34:35

Heather Payne being the two that I'm talking about

34:39

You know if either of those

34:41

are to be missing it's a bit

34:43

of a blow Vera Powis in the manager

34:45

I guess that that likes to To utilize

34:48

a lot of her squad so when it gets to the the

34:50

second choice the third choice in a certain position I guess

34:52

the

34:52

the options are Limited.

34:55

Yeah, they are limited. All right, but I

34:57

would pay no attention To anything like that

35:00

until I see the lineup, you know, I really

35:02

wouldn't I wouldn't speculate Because

35:04

I mean sometimes this is a game of a psychological

35:07

game You know the way the Aussies worked

35:09

and are the Canadians were talking

35:11

yesterday and the way the Aussie had been previously

35:14

You know this type of stuff comes on but

35:17

we're well used to that And I hope the girls are not listening

35:20

to any of that type of stuff

35:21

if you're selecting a team I because I was watching

35:23

your polls match with the with

35:26

Shane and Ashley after the last game and you weren't as impressed

35:28

by be Larkin as a lot of others and there's something

35:30

There's one suggestion in the Sun this morning

35:32

that Payne may miss

35:34

out Shiva drops a bit deeper and Larkin

35:37

comes in

35:38

Is it a straight shoot up between herself and

35:40

Barrett or how do you lean on that conversation?

35:43

And well my my thoughts

35:46

when

35:47

Abby came on was that she

35:50

Wasn't sure when she got the ball what she was

35:52

doing in the first couple of minutes and

35:54

then one of her passes were quite Weak

35:57

coming across so I don't know whether

35:59

she was a the girls in terms

36:01

of her attacking and thinking and they hadn't caught

36:03

up or she was just it was just you

36:06

know because she was smiling coming on you know

36:08

thrilled to be on whereas I and

36:11

most people would

36:12

be just so serious she's young you

36:14

know but she has some talent oh

36:16

she's so good I mean she's she will

36:19

you

36:19

know she will make an impression and

36:22

and it's very it's going to be great for us we have

36:24

the likes of her coming on and yeah

36:26

it's quite possibly she from Michael back

36:28

if pain is injured

36:31

but again we can't really tell we have to

36:33

just wait and see because we all

36:35

thought fear was going to Perron you

36:37

know and

36:40

you know and quite a few people were taken

36:42

aback that she hadn't so we really don't

36:44

know what's going on

36:46

on Amber Barrett like it

36:48

seems to have been a thread since the match at the opening

36:50

game but like we were chatting

36:52

this morning there's a very distinct and real

36:54

possibility that she mightn't play a minute of this well this

36:57

work up given the way of your power goes

36:59

about things like it we needed to go later

37:01

on against Australia and she didn't use her then so

37:03

presumably she's not gonna use her at

37:06

any stage if we needed to go she's not an option

37:08

well you know I'm sure people

37:10

will have said to

37:13

put a Vera look at you know

37:16

she's here and whispers here there because she's out in

37:18

the media you know she's gonna be here to whisper

37:20

to why you not putting on Barrett I mean you

37:23

have to look at what she

37:25

can give Barrett can give in relation

37:27

to who she's playing against and I a

37:30

lot of us thought that she definitely

37:32

would put her up to the Aussies and she

37:35

will put her up to the Canadians

37:37

if she's given the opportunity I would

37:39

think and it would make sense and the only

37:41

way I can figure out

37:43

what

37:44

fear is doing is that the

37:46

more you play together the more you're synchronized

37:48

with each other and maybe that's the reason

37:51

why she's mainly sticking to the same

37:53

team and the same type of system of play but

37:56

if you look at the other teams that are playing in

37:59

the World Cup like

37:59

the majority have really gone

38:02

for it to pushing two and three players forward

38:04

you know in a line out

38:07

so and then you know and it's

38:09

worked for them it really has

38:12

worked for them so maybe take

38:14

a little bit of pressure off the back and maybe

38:17

push somebody forward so that we always have

38:19

somebody to aim for if we're in trouble and

38:21

if we can't aim for them like we're looking

38:23

to play in behind the wingers

38:25

you know so that we can at least have them running

38:28

on the back feet

38:28

yeah

38:31

it's not her style is it like it'd be a departure

38:34

from the norm

38:35

could I just say that it is the

38:37

departure from the norm and what excited

38:40

me was that the players seem

38:42

restricted in their individual

38:45

talents but when she let loose

38:47

in the last 15-20 minutes I

38:49

mean we could see the players expressing themselves

38:52

and stuff that they could do and it

38:55

was it sort of

38:56

lifted the game as another gear that's

38:58

the way I read it can I ask you one that's slightly

39:00

related to that we were talking about it but earlier on Vera

39:03

Powell's comments at the press conference yesterday where she talked

39:05

about she has to play five of the fence because they're

39:08

good players but they just don't have any pace

39:10

and I felt to me to be a slightly

39:12

unusual comment to be it's it's it's

39:15

a it's not an incorrect

39:17

comment right it's I think everybody's aware that

39:19

we're lacking a bit of pace at the back but to be saying

39:21

that in the middle of the World Cup

39:23

it felt to me a little bit of a kilter with the general

39:25

spirit of things my my

39:28

philosophy is best form of defense

39:30

is attack and if you

39:32

can keep the ball away from our players and

39:34

our players are thinking I gotta find you

39:37

for second touch on the ball or maybe

39:39

the first touch on the ball I've got to find

39:41

somebody and the players known

39:43

that they're back for may not be fast

39:47

should be showing for the ball if nothing else

39:49

and I that's him I'm

39:52

not sure I'd say something like that you

39:54

know

39:55

because it is sort of obvious but

39:57

I wouldn't emphasize it but at

39:59

the same

39:59

time a girls can read

40:02

the game and they can anticipate

40:04

moves and that's one thing that we have going for

40:07

us and they're very brave.

40:08

Yeah. That's the thing that Vera

40:10

Powis calling for in the back page, a lot of the papers, show me

40:12

guts. She says, do

40:15

you want the players to have the guts to fail? I guess it's

40:17

got to that point where it

40:19

is winner takes all, like, and we need at least

40:21

a point from this game today, the players know that. So it

40:24

is all or nothing if they're ever going to have a massive display.

40:27

This is the biggest game in these players' careers. We said that about

40:29

the Australia game, but now there's actual jeopardy

40:31

on the line here.

40:32

Yeah, have the guts to fail. That's

40:35

sort of like saying,

40:37

listen, you can make mistakes,

40:40

you can make a mistake,

40:41

but don't be afraid to

40:43

go for the ball, even if you do make

40:46

a mistake. It's

40:48

all or nothing today. It's a great opportunity. Let's

40:50

not talk about all or nothing. It's a great

40:52

opportunity to

40:55

get a result out of this, provided

40:58

we have the right mindset. Individual

41:00

players have the right mindset. I

41:03

hope Sheefa is going to start off today because

41:06

she is going to up their game in

41:08

terms of she obviously

41:10

feels terrible after the penalty.

41:13

But when that happens to you, you want to give

41:15

an extra 10%, which is very good for her.

41:20

If I was talking to her, I'd say to her, look,

41:23

you're very lucky. You're starting your career.

41:25

Sheridan, Mr. Penno, and she's

41:28

at the end of her career. She'll never get a chance

41:30

now to do this. So

41:33

you have to put that aside and get

41:36

on with the game and get on with the best that

41:38

you can do in your area.

41:40

But there's loads of different things you can do

41:42

if you're a slow player, you're not fast.

41:46

If you can anticipate passes, you

41:48

can get close to the player that you can't

41:50

turn. So it saves you having to

41:52

chase instead of stepping off, letting

41:54

them run at you, and then you can't get them. So

41:58

it's really individual who's been able to.

41:59

read their own game in their own area

42:02

but also having somebody to get them

42:04

out of trouble. So for instance if

42:06

I was playing and I do this all the time,

42:08

I even do it with the lads, I always say no

42:10

no stay out stay out because I need

42:13

somebody to

42:13

play the ball to or an area to play the

42:16

ball to, I don't want to come back in on top

42:18

of me. You have to play

42:21

to your strengths I guess. Robert

42:23

Duck keeps saying in the comments people just can't handle a straight

42:25

talk in these days if the management team came out and said we were

42:27

amazing and should have won 3-0 would the media be

42:29

going along with that narrative. That's the other side of it and

42:32

we mentioned it earlier that

42:33

these are grown adults, these players so we

42:35

are probably saying something in a press conference that you know they're maybe

42:38

a little bit slow,

42:40

shouldn't really impact them and not that the players

42:42

are listening to the media discussions anywhere

42:44

really.

42:44

Maybe they ought to sit in the American dressing room

42:47

because they think that you know they're going

42:49

to win every position, they're

42:51

so full of confidence even if they're

42:54

not, it doesn't really

42:56

show in the games but they're oozing

42:59

confidence individually and I

43:02

wouldn't be saying stuff to the press personally.

43:05

Even whatever I felt inside I wouldn't

43:07

be saying anything.

43:08

We hammered Trappitoni

43:10

for long enough with like he kept coming out

43:12

to say, he was basically saying I'm like

43:15

I know I'm basically doing these guys a favour because

43:17

I'm better than there and you know it's

43:19

not, I think it's not a great message to send out

43:21

in the middle of a couple of years. Listen, I think if we go out and win

43:23

today 1-0

43:24

or we end up drawing it everything's going to

43:26

look like a master's book but

43:29

we'll see. Listen, they're going to give there. I

43:32

generally don't speculate and I won't speculate

43:35

because I don't know what the team is. You know

43:37

when I know what the team is and I get a feel for

43:39

how individual players are

43:42

playing in their position it only takes

43:44

about 10, 15 minutes and then how

43:46

collectively who they link up with. I get

43:48

this feeling yeah we're doing

43:50

good but if you have somebody that makes

43:52

a mistake particularly in the fence you've

43:54

now got a player who's got to

43:56

give half a job to helping somebody else

43:59

so that's.

43:59

stretches us really well. I really

44:02

hope that we're going to stay compact as we

44:04

move up the field and we can support

44:06

the forward players you know quickly

44:09

and not like some of the games now I've been

44:11

watching some of the games and they're you

44:13

know for Japan for me I

44:16

just loved watching them and Brazil

44:19

yesterday you know trying

44:21

to take too much out of the ball very clever

44:23

in the you know very clever

44:25

very calm very aware in the

44:28

you know who was behind her but I mean

44:30

and that showmanship I'd have loved

44:32

to see that a bit earlier and they obviously have

44:34

it and yesterday was the time

44:37

to show it but and because they're not

44:39

going to get that type of opportunity

44:42

but the Irish girls going back to our Irish

44:44

girls you know

44:47

the Americans or the Canadians haven't

44:50

drawn in the last game is going

44:53

to give such an individual immense

44:56

lift to the girls because the door

44:58

is open it might be ajar but at least

45:01

it's open and the opportunity is there but

45:03

we've got to take it by you

45:05

know scoring a goal where's

45:09

that going to come from?

45:11

It's hard to know it

45:13

depends on what she does it's really

45:15

hard to know could

45:17

be Abi Larkin could be could

45:20

be Amber Barrett off the bench could

45:22

be Amber off the bench if that could be

45:24

Katie McCabe directly from a corner

45:28

yeah we'll take all three of them sure we'll win three now

45:30

yeah have you been watching the other games

45:33

bits and pieces yeah I've been

45:35

away but yeah Brazilian Gold sorry

45:37

the fact even the fact that England like England's scraped

45:40

past Haiti one little and you're like definitely been a few

45:42

odd results and watching Brazil together like you were

45:44

saying there was the that goal that they scored

45:46

where the goal opens

45:48

up and like just banging in the net but she

45:51

chooses to throw

45:52

it back away but you see what she did

45:54

when she rolled the back she moved

45:56

so that a player could just see everything and feel

45:58

it

45:59

Yeah, brilliant. And even the

46:02

Philippines beat New Zealand as well, there's some shock

46:04

results. But you know what's good

46:07

is that the lower ranked teams are

46:10

actually outdoing themselves. They

46:12

really are. And also for FIFA

46:15

and this

46:16

misconception that there's such

46:18

a huge gap between the top tier

46:21

and the lower tiers, it's actually closer

46:23

quite quickly over this beginning

46:26

of these few rounds in the World Cup.

46:28

You're marking the first home

46:31

game as well. We are, we are, we are. We

46:34

played first home game in

46:37

Blue Bell's pitch. 50 years ago. 50 years

46:39

ago. And this is the team that's

46:42

played the famous Anne O'Brien, who's

46:45

there as well. So the current team on

46:47

the right and the first team on the left. And the first team

46:50

on the left. And we think that one of the girls,

46:53

Mary Gabon, I think was only 14. 14. Yeah.

46:57

Yeah. So all these records you think that

46:59

people have done, we haven't

47:01

really, they haven't really delved enough

47:04

into the history of women's football. And

47:06

the only way it can be done now really is

47:08

locally. But yeah.

47:10

Northern Ireland in Blue Bell.

47:13

No, Northern Ireland, Blue Bell's

47:15

pitch, very generous of them to give

47:17

us the pitch. I mean, you can imagine it

47:21

wasn't actually like the pitches to play on now.

47:24

So you had to adjust yourself because the

47:26

lumps of turf that you had to get

47:29

over and then the goals and it

47:31

was in a housing estate. I

47:33

wasn't on the new pitch they have now, you

47:35

know, but that's where everybody played, you know.

47:37

There's consistent

47:40

ACL injuries in the women's Super League

47:42

today on the unbelievable carpeted pitches. So

47:44

I presume back then there were injuries galore.

47:47

Well, you know, of the 32

47:50

players who played in the first

47:52

four home games in 73, there are

47:55

less than a handful

47:58

who have any type of injury.

47:59

mostly it's just knee

48:02

replacement, not ACL. So

48:05

I'm not really sure, but I do know it's

48:08

got to do with puberty and

48:11

women having bigger hips ratio

48:14

than men and how it leans on the

48:16

quads and then down into the joints

48:19

in the knee. And that's really what

48:21

the problem is. But that can be addressed by

48:24

doing particular type of exercises

48:26

that differ from the guys. So

48:29

in our

48:29

day because we trained with guys, I'm assuming

48:32

is that I'm a visual learner. So

48:35

I would look at a guy say doing a jump

48:37

and the way he lands and I want to land

48:39

the way he lands, which is obviously probably

48:43

suited me because I never had any

48:45

knee injuries or anything like that. I don't

48:47

know. A lot of us didn't, you know, when you think of the 32 squad.

48:51

Amazing. Yeah, amazing. Then

48:53

we were doing an awful lot across sports as well. This

48:55

is it? Yeah, yeah. Different

48:57

types of sports. You have to build up your glutes.

49:02

So we didn't know that at the time, but we did

49:04

a lot of hill running in training. So that was

49:06

doing it. So we didn't know

49:08

that we were doing a job

49:10

back and forth.

49:11

You know what I mean? Oh,

49:14

listen, we didn't. Yeah, yeah. We were just

49:16

watching all the other, well, mostly it was guys and the World Cup teams

49:19

and how they trained. I mean, I remember

49:22

telling somebody that I had Kevin

49:26

Healy, who was with Bose, he just

49:28

opened my eyes to football. We've

49:31

all the hint to thank for. He

49:33

said to us, you really

49:36

don't know how to run. And I

49:38

was shocked by that. So I joined

49:40

Dublin City Harriers for six weeks.

49:43

And he was so right

49:45

because I'd heard him one of the World Cup singles.

49:49

It's 70s or early 80s. I

49:51

think it

49:52

was early 80s that

49:55

the athleticism in the German team

49:57

who were very successful in that era.

49:59

was down to the fact that they were getting

50:03

coaching from Athletic.

50:05

Atletico, yeah. Atletico's sport

50:07

picture. Yeah, and you can see it

50:09

in some of the players, how they look at Athletic

50:12

the way they run. And then you can see it

50:14

in other players where they look very heavy on the

50:16

lower end. You know, it's... That's

50:20

the type of stuff that I look at. Yeah, absolutely.

50:23

Linda, love the optimism that

50:25

you've brought to the studio this morning. I'm feeling a little bit better

50:27

about the game now. Enjoy the match. And thanks

50:29

for winning. Brilliant stuff. Linda,

50:32

go home in there. Brilliant stuff. And one of the

50:34

comments coming in as well. Someone says, are people

50:36

being given extended lunch breaks to catch the whole

50:38

match at one o'clock? If you're a boss

50:40

and you are given your employees an

50:42

extended lunch break, fair play to you. And if you're

50:45

not, take a long hard look at yourself. And you

50:47

still have time to change your mind. Everyone should

50:49

be getting the chance to watch this match. If

50:51

it was in school times, the kids would be watching

50:54

it. So I think working employees should be able

50:56

to watch it as well. So yeah, 100% of

50:58

people should be given that chance. 8.22am

51:00

on this Wednesday morning's O2Bam, the sports breakfast

51:02

show from off the ball myself and Adrian with

51:04

you. Up next, it's Anthony Moyles' preview in

51:06

the Dubs versus Kerry this weekend. First though, I

51:09

was chatting yesterday with the legendary Dublin

51:10

fan Dublin Jerry as part of our All Ireland

51:13

final build-up. Here he is talking about ICON,

51:15

Stephen Cluckston, back in a sec. What was

51:17

going through your head when that Cluckston kick was sailing

51:19

over in 2011? Right

51:22

out of the chime, we never got it right. We

51:24

never got anything to bring

51:26

her out. We were over actually

51:28

the next day after the match, you know. But

51:32

the second last, the second last, the third

51:34

last pair of scorers, up

51:37

to pitch, Cluckston ran.

51:39

He had a good look at the same. He says, that's the only way

51:41

to put this three over. It was just

51:44

at the debt. 82,000 hours

51:46

I've read. One kick and the ball

51:49

sailed over. There was hassling flags

51:51

flying, crying and saying drunken

51:53

people started getting sober.

51:55

Kerry, they were saddled up a bit loud as soon as I

51:57

heard them as sober. Roy and Cullen's

52:00

2014 stone on muslim bone he led

52:02

his team up those famous steps the croaker And

52:05

we all knew the last thing yet to do was to lift us

52:07

Sam away above his shoulders Well

52:09

mr. Presentation always in doctors medication

52:12

three points and I just flipped over Dr.

52:15

David Hickey said to me double Jerry Francis Martin

52:17

can't you see he couldn't run and with

52:19

the name of J.J. Cassel Brilliant

52:26

You definitely remember that kick so with it with

52:28

a song like that and a brilliant rendition to Jerry

52:30

to be fair Yeah Dublin Jerry there the Dublin a

52:33

super fan at what a character you'll get that full

52:35

interview up on the YouTube today I know that other bits of mobs I

52:37

did yesterday was chatting with Charlie Redmond's turn at the

52:39

air and zile club in in Finglas And

52:42

others say Sean Potts as well in his papers corner pub

52:44

So loads of Dublin build up and we'll have Kerry build

52:46

up later in the week as well

52:49

And on that Dublin versus Kerry Anthony

52:52

Moyles has joined myself later in studio morning Anthony

52:54

everything I'm on a shame. Have you recovered recovered?

52:57

Yeah fully recovered and recuperated. Yeah, okay.

52:59

I'm okay Well, okay. It's there the disappointment

53:02

cut Steve. Listen, it's the final that to be fair

53:04

to be fair I can't I think even Monaghan and dairy fans

53:06

who lost the semi-finalists can accept this it is the final

53:08

that everyone

53:09

all the neutrals wanted certainly the final that the dubs

53:11

and carries carry fans wanted but um It's

53:14

perilously purchased isn't it? It's hard to

53:17

Differentiate between them. Yeah, it is

53:19

it is And you

53:21

know, hopefully just nothing

53:23

happens on the day to kind of take out one of the big

53:26

players And you'd hope

53:28

that everyone is kind of fit and healthy and ready to go

53:30

And it is perilously purse and I keep

53:33

you know, I flip-flop during the week Whether

53:36

I think it's gonna be a Dublin winner whether I think so be Kerry

53:38

win For

53:41

all my Kerry supporters out there I'm

53:44

still backing them all the way as I

53:46

have been for

53:47

the last number of weeks Yes,

53:54

yeah exactly yeah remember

53:57

yeah, no I think

54:00

You know, it's all about the matchups, really. It's

54:03

all about the matchups. And

54:05

that is going to be, I think, the bugler

54:08

loss for Dublin. If he is out,

54:10

it causes a bit of a headache for Desi. There's

54:12

no doubt about that. Because

54:14

I think he fulfils a role that is quite difficult

54:16

to fill for Dublin in

54:18

this current setup. Which is like, direct running.

54:22

Correct. Yeah, it's that

54:24

direct running from 11. And

54:27

I think more so against this Kerry team, because

54:29

of Morley's positioning

54:30

and the way he drops back in, and

54:32

he protects that D, you

54:35

do need a direct 11. You need someone who's just

54:37

willing to go turn and go. So actually,

54:39

I think people are calling for Kilkenny.

54:41

I don't think he'll start Kilkenny. No,

54:43

I think he'll leave Kilkenny. Because Kilkenny,

54:47

you know, I think it's been long kind of discussed

54:50

about the fact that Kilkenny

54:52

is quite lateral at times. He

54:54

controls the ball very well. He's very,

54:56

very good at coming on and basically

54:59

taking the sting out of a game and being able

55:01

to control it, being able to kind of work things out.

55:03

But as far as, you know,

55:05

the first 35, 40, 45 minutes

55:08

where you need someone to take that ball at 11, as

55:10

I say, goes to go direct down the gut

55:12

of Kerry, I think he could switch things around

55:15

with it. I think he tried that with Pascal. And I

55:17

wouldn't be

55:17

surprised. I know Pascal didn't go well the last day,

55:19

but there's always a bit of a come down hour for a high. So

55:22

I wouldn't be surprised if he moved Pascal to 11 and

55:24

tried to get his pace from there. I

55:27

don't think he'll start Odell. I'll

55:29

be as Odell has that pace and he kind

55:31

of comes on like a McMenamum type figure. So

55:34

I think there's going to be a little bit of deck-chair shifting.

55:38

But I think ultimately what it'll come down to

55:40

is

55:42

those match-ups and then the bench, the

55:44

two benches in the last 10, 15 minutes. So

55:46

a lot has been said about the Dublin

55:48

bench. I've been chatting to Kerry people in the last

55:50

week or so and maybe some respect hasn't

55:52

been thrown on the Kerry bench in a similar vein to the Dubs.

55:55

We all know that the quality you saw it against

55:57

Milan, like the quality coming off that Dublin bench is insane.

55:59

but

56:01

Kerry's bench isn't all that, even Stephen O'Brien

56:03

was someone that probably people didn't expect much

56:05

of, he comes on half time and

56:07

changes the game in many ways.

56:09

Yeah he was unbelievable the last day and

56:11

he did change the game for them and I think he brought an energy,

56:14

he brought an enthusiasm, he brought an intensity

56:16

that just wasn't there and that kind of half back half forward,

56:19

certainly the half forward line.

56:22

So again, Jack O'Connor sitting there and saying

56:24

what do I start him, you know and that's a difficult

56:26

thing to do again because you know Stephen

56:29

is probably, you know he's

56:32

I think he's more of an impact player now, so do

56:34

you go with Spillane and

56:36

say listen we're just going to go with a fella

56:39

who can just give me everything for 35-40 minutes,

56:42

in around the middle where Dublin are obviously strong.

56:45

So you know I don't think

56:48

it is as strong, I don't think the Kerry bench is as strong as

56:50

Dublin, you know there's no one really on that

56:52

bench who's scaring the daylights out of me to be honest with

56:54

you, like you know a bugly they'll probably

56:56

come on, Tony

56:59

Brassen will probably come on and

57:01

Brassen has been

57:02

hit and miss this year, you know he could do something

57:04

absolutely brilliant but you

57:06

know he could also just fade into the background

57:09

as well and I'm not really, you know there's no

57:11

one else really who's kind of saying to me wow that's

57:13

someone who can really take this game from me. So

57:16

you know O'Brien there's probably

57:18

your first three or four subs there,

57:21

whereas Dublin have to call on potentially,

57:24

you know they've got McCaffrey to call on obviously who's

57:26

going to be a bit of a game breaker in that last 10 minutes

57:28

and he's a guy that you just don't want to see.

57:30

I think what Dublin have managed

57:32

to do this year is they

57:34

have really focused on the different

57:36

stages of the game within

57:38

the game, right, so in other words they know

57:40

where they need to be 35-40 minutes, they then know

57:44

that first 10 minutes of the second half who

57:46

we need to have on the pitch and what we're doing in those

57:48

first 10 minutes and then they absolutely

57:51

know who they want to have on the pitch in the last 10 minutes.

57:53

And regardless I think of McCaffrey

57:56

is 100% because he obviously is fish, they're saying

57:58

to himself no his his

57:59

his ability in that last 15 minutes

58:02

to stretch things and to really open

58:04

up the game is what we need. And I think

58:06

that's why they probably hold the Kilkenny back

58:09

to a certain degree. And

58:11

then, you know, Odell is very, very important

58:13

to him. You see him, he's kind of released him as an as I

58:15

said, he's that kind of minimum figure who will just

58:17

get the ball and just go at you and stretch you. And

58:20

then, of course, they've Dean Rock, they've a couple of other guys,

58:23

they've Murphy to bring on who also can attack

58:25

from the back. So I

58:27

just think they have a stronger bench and

58:29

I think

58:29

they have more options off the bench. For

58:32

all of that, like it feels like Kerry over the last couple of years

58:34

are a coming for us, right? They've come and they've proven

58:36

to do it. And it looks like that group will be around for a little

58:38

while to come. It's hard to say the same thing

58:40

about Dublin, even though, like, obviously the changes over the last 12

58:43

months, the players that come back in. Tommy

58:45

was making the point about on the football part about the 2019 replay

58:48

and the distinct lack of changes

58:51

to the 15s now, which is remarkable. Normally,

58:53

it's a good turnout and he was saying it was like one or two

58:55

players on either side. You have the new water

58:58

boy that they have and you have all this sort of stuff. Yeah. But it

59:00

feels like we're Kerry are sort of headed in that direction.

59:02

Is it a bit of a lasting

59:04

for this Dublin group? Yeah, I think we discussed

59:06

this the last day. I think it is. I think it is

59:08

like when you when you if you tear potentially.

59:13

Cluckstone, McCarthy, Fitzsimons.

59:18

Possibly Kilkenny. If

59:21

you tear that four, McCaffrey, five

59:24

out of that, that's a very hard five

59:26

to replace. You don't you don't you

59:28

don't replace that too easily. And

59:31

I think the sense has been that it

59:35

is it is, you know, the number nine. It

59:37

is. It's all of that. It's the history.

59:40

It's it's what we can do as a group. And

59:43

I think Farrell has to be given an awful

59:45

lot of credit for what he doesn't get much. Does he? He doesn't.

59:48

Tack Kilroy comes back in and it's how Brawley said the

59:50

week.

59:51

He's he's brought the Fizz back. I

59:54

can't tell you, he can't get a break. And

59:56

by the way, if you go back and you roll

59:58

your memory back to Covid,

59:59

situation and the whole thing with the training,

1:00:02

you know, and you go back to that whole and then

1:00:05

the Cluckston thing. Yeah. I

1:00:07

think Desi, I think Desi has earned massively

1:00:09

the trust of those players. And I think it's

1:00:13

a little bit lazy to kind

1:00:15

of say, oh, you know, they're just playing for the nine-year-old.

1:00:17

I think they're genuinely playing for Desi. I think they are

1:00:19

genuinely playing for the manager and

1:00:21

the management team. And I think they believe

1:00:23

in it.

1:00:25

I would question if they believed it, you

1:00:28

know, a couple of years back. But I think there is

1:00:30

an absolute, I think what they've realised is, you know what, this guy

1:00:33

is a fellow who we can trust and this guy is a

1:00:36

manager who has actually stood by us. Like

1:00:39

he never threw anyone under the bus. You know, he

1:00:41

took that all on himself that time, right? The

1:00:43

Cluckston thing was completely, he

1:00:45

basically staged storm about it. He said, look, he's

1:00:47

come back when he's ready. You know, and

1:00:50

he has never, as I say, he's had

1:00:52

fellas in and out, the McCaffrey thing was well handled.

1:00:55

And then the Cluckston thing this year was brilliantly handled,

1:00:57

how he

1:00:58

came back. So I think he

1:01:00

has done an absolutely remarkable job. I

1:01:02

think he's done a brilliant job to lower expectations

1:01:05

coming into this because, you know, do you remember

1:01:08

the drive for five, the dad of that, like there was constant

1:01:11

talk about all of this. Whereas it's nearly

1:01:13

like a sideshow a little bit. It's

1:01:15

like a sub story. So

1:01:18

I think he's done a brilliant job. And the

1:01:20

Gilroy thing, whether it was a ploy to

1:01:22

kind of deflect a bit more attention, it

1:01:25

has worked, you know, because as you say, everyone's

1:01:27

saying, oh, geez, Pac

1:01:28

Gilroy's. He's

1:01:30

the difference. America. But

1:01:33

it shows a lack of ego and stuff as well, obviously, on

1:01:35

Desi's part that like, I don't mind

1:01:38

that, you know, that Leo Cullen, Stuart Lancaster

1:01:40

thing, if we're succeeding, then

1:01:42

who cares who gets the credit line? Adrian, it's one

1:01:44

of the hardest things I think in

1:01:46

management is the fact that people who can actually

1:01:49

go, you know what, here,

1:01:50

take the reins a little bit and to delegate.

1:01:54

And it's not even, it is

1:01:56

an ego thing to a certain degree, but

1:01:58

it's also a control thing,

1:01:59

massive, massive factor in it. And

1:02:02

it's also a thing of how do I, how will I

1:02:04

be perceived by the players if I do this? You

1:02:06

know, if I step back a bit and bring someone else

1:02:08

in, do the players look at me as weak now?

1:02:11

Do they look at me so there's an awful lot. And by

1:02:13

the way, to bring a personality, because to be fair, like

1:02:15

Gilroy is a big man in every respect.

1:02:18

You know, he commands presence. So when he

1:02:20

comes into a situation like that, you have to be very

1:02:22

careful. I think, I think he's done a really, really

1:02:25

good job. And as you say, I don't think he's got

1:02:27

the credit for what he's done. Did you hear him on the Free

1:02:29

State podcast at Brawley and Dionne Fanning

1:02:31

podcast? I missed that. I heard it was

1:02:33

very good. I shouldn't be telling people to do podcasts

1:02:36

in another room. But it's a great

1:02:38

insight into the man. There's one story which you'll definitely appreciate

1:02:40

about him

1:02:41

walking into the head office

1:02:44

of one of the big, big four, big

1:02:46

five, wherever the hell they are in New York. I'm sorry,

1:02:48

Brawley went down. I'll leave you to pick up the story.

1:02:51

It gives you a great insight into character.

1:02:53

Just looking at the, like, and Tommy Rooney

1:02:56

put this to Jack O'Connor during the week, like

1:02:58

Dublin have improved on that semi final last year.

1:03:01

When you look at the team, even every common for it was in goals for

1:03:03

a start. Now you've Stephen Cluckston the

1:03:05

experience there, the front six for Dublin

1:03:07

last year, you'd bugger Howard Kalkenny,

1:03:10

Kastel Rock O'Dell. So there

1:03:12

are slight differences, certainly in variations

1:03:14

in that, in that six that will be

1:03:16

this Sunday compared to last year. The Cluckston impact

1:03:20

and him not being involved this year and being involved on

1:03:22

Sunday, like how big is that? It's

1:03:24

scary after plan differently. Yeah.

1:03:27

I haven't looked too closely at

1:03:29

the kick out, but it's, I did see someone saying that, you

1:03:32

know, that Monaghan forced them out to his

1:03:34

left a lot of times, which,

1:03:36

which, okay. I don't think really Cluckston

1:03:38

gets too, you know,

1:03:40

confused or too worried. To foresee the left.

1:03:43

Right short. It doesn't, it doesn't phase him, right?

1:03:45

He's that type of an individual. Process

1:03:48

driven, knows what he does. Good

1:03:50

shot stopper. Very, very good under the

1:03:52

high ball. We know all of those things, but I think

1:03:54

he brings a calm as well. I'm not saying Evan Cumber,

1:03:56

by the way, because I'm a Cumber is a top task

1:03:59

goalkeeper.

1:03:59

it's all for Hollow Hanlon, who

1:04:02

did unbelievably well during the league. So

1:04:05

there's an absolute kind

1:04:07

of, you know, it's

1:04:11

a position where they're richly served.

1:04:14

But I think he gives that full backline an awful lot of comfort,

1:04:16

especially with anything over the top. So

1:04:18

you know, you can manage to mark from

1:04:21

side by side out in front. You know

1:04:23

that if it's going over top, he will have absolutely

1:04:25

no problem coming together. And more than likely, he

1:04:27

will come and grab it, right? So you know, he plays outfield,

1:04:29

he's well able to do all that. His

1:04:32

restarts, all those different things, you

1:04:34

know, 100%, the lack of goals that have gone

1:04:37

in against them this year, they have massively

1:04:40

tightened up as a defense, you know, and their whole

1:04:42

idea now, well, predominantly is

1:04:45

that really quick break. Now, I

1:04:47

think where Derry slightly, if

1:04:50

you go, there's a stark, there's a really,

1:04:52

really brilliant, I think if you watch the last five minutes

1:04:54

of the first half, Derry carry, and the first

1:04:57

five minutes, you will actually see a

1:04:59

stark difference in

1:05:02

the intensity in Derry. It's

1:05:04

amazing to see it's kind of it's as if it's

1:05:06

as if they said, right, what we're going to do second half

1:05:08

is we're going to expect a

1:05:11

kind of, you know, they're going to come back at us and

1:05:13

they kind of retreated back into their shell a

1:05:15

bit. Now Kerry increased the

1:05:17

intensity, absolutely. But there

1:05:20

wasn't that same kind of, it wasn't

1:05:22

manic, but there was there was a real pace

1:05:25

and a real intensity and real aggression to that

1:05:27

first 35 minutes from Derry and especially

1:05:29

that last five or 10 minutes from Derry. And

1:05:32

the McCabe thing

1:05:33

I think gives you an insight, I think into how

1:05:35

they're going to play Clifford, because I think Dublin

1:05:38

have to bring something slightly different to it. And

1:05:41

that is going to be key to obviously

1:05:44

Sunday. How do you, how do you,

1:05:46

that's no point asking how do you mark Clifford, you can't really mark

1:05:49

him, but how do Dublin prepare

1:05:51

for him? How do people, collectively? Thankfully,

1:05:57

thankfully, I do not. I remember, I

1:05:59

remember we played.

1:05:59

carrying the I think was the

1:06:02

0-7 or I get my bits that long ago now semi-final

1:06:04

and I remember having actually like no

1:06:07

I general genuinely most of the time I used

1:06:09

to sleep pretty well before games but

1:06:11

I had absolutely I didn't think I slept

1:06:13

the wink that night because I was thinking of there

1:06:15

was Gooch there was O'Sullivan there

1:06:18

was Ty Canelli

1:06:20

was in that panel there was obviously and I

1:06:22

was just kind of thinking who exactly are you going

1:06:24

to get and how do you do it and that is a horrible

1:06:27

when you're faced with a task and you know

1:06:29

you're going to be one-on-one

1:06:29

it's it's there's

1:06:32

no hiding place and and

1:06:34

McCaig is a man who took it on his

1:06:36

shoulders he conceded eight or nine

1:06:38

or whatever it was and you

1:06:41

know in hindsight you probably look back and go that's

1:06:43

not a bad hall to be honest and he got an early yellow

1:06:45

as well yeah yeah I think I think and

1:06:50

Derry showed a little bit and I

1:06:52

think Dublin would probably look at it on the video

1:06:55

and say okay do

1:06:58

you remember a couple of times remember Clifford was done for the shoulder

1:07:00

he was back in his defense he ended up back in

1:07:02

the defense once or twice maybe more than that

1:07:04

but you know really impacting the ball because

1:07:07

McCaig just decided to go forward

1:07:09

he just bombed forward and he brought him up with him

1:07:13

that's that's you can do that a couple of times if you're

1:07:15

one-on-one but eventually what

1:07:17

the Clifford will nearly let you and he doesn't someone

1:07:19

else tag you I think the only way to

1:07:21

pull him back consistently is

1:07:24

to change the markers on him so

1:07:26

for example if it's I'm in this on him right

1:07:29

if the ball breaks then someone else tags with

1:07:31

him Davey burn and he goes so he's forcing

1:07:33

them all the time so there's confusion as is to

1:07:35

well Aiden or Asian you take you

1:07:37

take him if he goes but now it's like

1:07:40

oh Davey burns gone who's on him so and

1:07:42

I think then what Dublin have to do is they have to reward that

1:07:44

guy with the ball when he goes up the pitch in other

1:07:46

words that fella has to make an impact when he goes

1:07:49

up he can't just jog up or go down the side because

1:07:51

Clifford exactly has to

1:07:53

make an impact when he goes up and by the way they

1:07:55

have that with Gannon

1:07:56

potentially merchant Davey

1:07:59

burns well able to go up, the Fats-Imans are still

1:08:01

even well able to go up and impact the ball and

1:08:03

I think that's the only way to try to impact,

1:08:06

because you can't leave them up there and

1:08:08

kind of say or else you do or Cork do and

1:08:10

they put a plus one in front of them and I don't think Dublin

1:08:12

will do that. No. No, I don't

1:08:14

think they will. I think they'll have Howard back,

1:08:17

you know, with the idea of well I'm going to cover

1:08:19

this space off and I think John

1:08:21

Small, I don't think John Small will drop off and John

1:08:24

Small will just, will one on one on

1:08:26

Shawn and Yoshie and I think he's obviously, he's done

1:08:28

pretty well on Yoshie in the past and I think

1:08:30

he'll just say well I'm going to take him out, you

1:08:32

guys look after him here behind and

1:08:35

I think what they'll probably do is, the

1:08:37

Gannon thing could be interesting, I think Poddy

1:08:40

will obviously demand, so I'd say they'll

1:08:42

probably talk about merging with Poddy and they'll

1:08:44

just stick merging on him and say right you're just following

1:08:46

him everywhere and I put him in the back foot, but

1:08:49

I think they might do a little bit of a panel

1:08:52

on Clifford,

1:08:54

more so though when they have the ball

1:08:56

if you get me. Would Kerry not bite your

1:08:58

arm off for that now? They're going to leave

1:09:01

you one on one and that'll be in rotation but

1:09:03

we are going to, we're going to concede

1:09:05

a couple of points from that because it's going to create

1:09:07

a bit of confusion, but you are going to be

1:09:10

one on one and Clifford will

1:09:12

score it whatever way you want,

1:09:13

if he's one on one. I think they will

1:09:15

but I think the issue is, and this

1:09:18

is the issue and Derry obviously looked at this long and

1:09:20

hard as have other teams, when you

1:09:23

put that extra man

1:09:25

with him, it just opens up

1:09:27

the spot for the other players. Now, are

1:09:29

Kerry,

1:09:30

I flipped during the Derry game

1:09:33

and I was kind of saying, you know, the cake needs to

1:09:35

dig out here, you need someone else because it

1:09:37

was so evident that obviously it was all

1:09:40

about Clifford that day, so you needed somebody

1:09:42

else, they had the other matchups okay but

1:09:44

what happens is it's kind of like

1:09:46

a weed, you knock that one down, next thing the other

1:09:48

one sprouts up. It's all come all, yeah. Correct, yeah.

1:09:51

But does, you know,

1:09:54

Ganey I think has been kind

1:09:56

of blown hot and cold, but is that the fact

1:09:58

because he is being marked? and

1:10:00

if all of a sudden you decide to rotate his man

1:10:02

that he all of a sudden gets, you know, three or four points

1:10:05

and he adds in three or four on top of the seven

1:10:07

or eight that Clifford will inevitably get.

1:10:10

Now you're at 12th and they

1:10:12

stick a goal in. So I

1:10:14

think it's kind of, you have

1:10:16

to say,

1:10:18

we are going to do a little bit of rotation.

1:10:20

I think there's not going to be a whole pile of rotation. I think it'll

1:10:22

be between Mick Fit and Davey Byrne.

1:10:25

But I think what it'll be is they're going to try to

1:10:28

get him, as I said, on the back foot and get him going

1:10:30

forward. And I think

1:10:32

Kerry will be wary

1:10:34

of that because of Dublin's pace coming

1:10:36

out of the defence. Funny we had said

1:10:38

it was Mick Fit's that generally speaking picked

1:10:40

Clifford up last June, that's in the final. And

1:10:43

like we said, look, if you keep them to seven or eight points, you're

1:10:45

doing well. Clifford last June, that semi kicked

1:10:48

six points.

1:10:49

Four from player, one three, one mark, which

1:10:52

isn't a bad return for someone marking David Clifford,

1:10:54

I guess. Well, I think if you keep

1:10:56

it in single figures, you're doing well, you know,

1:10:58

because that's it. You know, I think you are

1:11:01

because I look around the rest of the team and I

1:11:03

go, are the rest of them going to get nine scores?

1:11:06

Do they have over-alliance? Do they have over-alliance?

1:11:08

Is there an over-alliance on Clifford and O'Shea from

1:11:10

Kerry's perspective? Well,

1:11:11

there is, but like, I mean, they're two of the best forwards

1:11:14

in the country, so I'd take that over-alliance. I

1:11:16

wouldn't mind having them. Like

1:11:19

one of the greatest footballers of all time, you're going

1:11:21

to be trying to make use of as best you can. Will

1:11:24

they be wanting to get, you mentioned about the clean sheet stuff,

1:11:26

is it eight or nine games now? I see John Fogarty every game

1:11:28

is tweeting this, he's reached such a landmark

1:11:31

of clean, will that be in their

1:11:33

mind that like, we'll need a goal here at some point? I

1:11:35

think they will. Because of the way

1:11:37

Dublin, like

1:11:39

it's funny, everyone thought the last day Kerry

1:11:41

Derry would be a boar fest and

1:11:43

would be, you know, and I think we had six goal chances

1:11:46

in like the first seven or eight minutes, like it was just bananas.

1:11:49

And it was also due to the pace

1:11:51

that people were attacking and the willingness

1:11:54

to get in behind. And I think that is

1:11:56

a big thing. I think that, look, you know,

1:11:58

Gavin White and.

1:11:59

and also O'Shea

1:12:04

needs massive credit for what they're doing from

1:12:06

a Kerry point of view. Morley

1:12:09

and the rest of these guys keep the house clean and they just

1:12:11

get up front and they cause

1:12:13

mayhem as well. So

1:12:15

they can pick off scores, but

1:12:18

I think they realize, and of course you

1:12:20

have to realize, and this is I think is another trap that

1:12:22

Derry fell into where they failed to get the

1:12:24

ball to McGuigan in that second half

1:12:27

enough. You could see him crying

1:12:29

out sometimes, especially

1:12:29

when Lynch came up, remember he got blocked

1:12:32

two or three times.

1:12:35

You get the ball to your most dangerous man

1:12:37

and you continue to get the ball to your most dangerous

1:12:39

man. Whether he's one man on him, two men on him

1:12:41

or three men on him, you get that ball to him because

1:12:43

he will make decisions. And Clifford has

1:12:46

the awareness, he has the ability and

1:12:48

he has the skill set to change

1:12:50

his mind instantly and to change what he's doing

1:12:52

with the ball instantly. So all of a sudden you think

1:12:55

actually he's going to probably go for his own score and then he's pinging

1:12:57

a pass 30 or 40 yards. It

1:12:59

is going to be, I think

1:13:01

Dublin, I think, Agent, to go back to your

1:13:03

point, I think Dublin will never shirk

1:13:06

from that type of a challenge. I

1:13:09

think for them to say, okay,

1:13:11

we're going to put two or three guys

1:13:13

beside, I think that would be a slight, nearly

1:13:16

a bowing down to Kerry. And

1:13:19

I don't think that would be in their psyche coming into this game.

1:13:21

No, in the DNA. I just don't think it would be.

1:13:24

And I don't think it's in the psyche of this particular team.

1:13:27

So I think they'll say, Mick Fitz,

1:13:30

you did a hell of a job on him before. We

1:13:32

trust you to do it again. No butter

1:13:34

to you. And we'll also give you some, we'll give you a hand

1:13:36

when he receives it. Just hold him up that first

1:13:39

time and we'll get players back. What did McManus get

1:13:41

the last day?

1:13:42

I must go three or four, I think,

1:13:44

from the play. Which is not bad again. We're

1:13:46

talking about a player who's maybe reaching

1:13:48

the end of his intercounty career. Jesus,

1:13:50

like he did a

1:13:52

good job on him. He probably got five or six overall in gluten-freeze,

1:13:54

but like that's not bad. Yeah, he did. Like

1:13:57

I think for Simons, he did a very good job.

1:13:59

We were talking about this in that first 40 minutes.

1:14:02

I thought he blunted them to a large

1:14:04

degree. I thought from 50 minutes on, McManus

1:14:06

really came alive. And

1:14:09

I really do. I think he has that.

1:14:12

Look,

1:14:15

an awful lot of the time it's the unseen

1:14:17

stuff as a defender, right? Just stuff you don't see in TV

1:14:19

where a player looks up to give the pass and

1:14:21

next thing you're reading it and he has to change his mind

1:14:23

to go back. So

1:14:26

seven of those, seven times that could happen

1:14:29

and then the one ball goes in, Clifford gets it and pangs

1:14:31

it over the bar and he says, Mick Fitz is under pressure. But

1:14:33

he's actually after cutting out six or seven balls.

1:14:36

So he is

1:14:38

very, very good at that. You know, he is and

1:14:40

he's very sticky and he's also a guy that

1:14:42

believes

1:14:42

in himself and he won't drop the head. And

1:14:45

a cuteness about him as well. Like you can see him against McManus.

1:14:47

But there's that disparity in size. You need a bit

1:14:49

of... Absolutely. And I

1:14:51

think there is obviously that little bit of disparity

1:14:54

because, you know, Clifford on most

1:14:56

defenders will have that edge. So

1:15:00

I think, look, do they rely on him? Pawdy

1:15:02

I think,

1:15:03

Pawdy has struggled, I feel,

1:15:05

to remove the shackles of a really

1:15:08

tight, sticky defender. Yeah. I

1:15:10

think he has. I think his idea, which was probably

1:15:13

something where he would drop really deep, and that's what

1:15:15

sometimes fellas do, and then try to get the ball

1:15:17

as he meanders back up the pitch.

1:15:19

Fellas are realizing that and saying, actually, we just tag

1:15:21

them all the way. We just go with them all the way. So

1:15:24

even if he drops back into his zone 21, we pick

1:15:26

him up there and Merchant will have no issue

1:15:28

with that. And Merchant will run all day and Merchant will

1:15:30

put him under pressure. So I

1:15:32

think that kind of, if you're raising that

1:15:34

one, you're kind of saying, you know, Pawdy

1:15:37

has to... Now what to do, they might just leave Pawdy

1:15:39

inside. Yeah. So they say, well, actually, don't worry

1:15:41

about a Pawdy. You go inside and we'll

1:15:43

throw... Because I think Kerry have to throw something

1:15:45

different. They can't just say, okay, it's going

1:15:47

to be Davey against the rest. They

1:15:49

have to give them something different to think about.

1:15:52

You know, and I don't think you can necessarily do it with

1:15:54

Gini. You can't

1:15:56

do it with Spelan, Wright

1:15:59

or O'Brien.

1:15:59

So you need to do it with

1:16:02

Shawnee O'Shea, Clifford,

1:16:04

or Shawnee O'Shea, or Poddy. They're your

1:16:06

two boys that you need to throw something different at it. This

1:16:09

blend's going to be important as well. I presume David Gaff's

1:16:11

role would be heavily weighted as

1:16:13

well because of... Last of these, man. Well, let's

1:16:15

do it. And Crope, can I have a round of five there? Good to learn,

1:16:17

man. I'd like to be fair. But both Kerry

1:16:20

and German O'Connor and Dublin and Niles Scully both in black

1:16:22

cards and that's in their semi-finals as well, which

1:16:24

you probably can't afford either of them to do again

1:16:26

this weekend. So it's little silly things maybe that...

1:16:29

Yeah, it's correct. It's silly things. And

1:16:31

by the way, it does put you under

1:16:34

massive

1:16:34

pressure. We saw obviously, as you say, O'Connor

1:16:36

in the Derry game and how much Brendan

1:16:39

Rodgers made hay at that time. It

1:16:41

is. It's going to be... You know, I

1:16:44

think Gaff will hopefully let it flow. I

1:16:46

really hope he will because it

1:16:48

needs to be let flow. There's so... The

1:16:52

game has become so fast and so skillful

1:16:54

and so athletic that, you know, there's no

1:16:56

more of these...

1:16:57

You know, you just... There's

1:17:00

no more dirt, shall we say,

1:17:02

you know? He says with a twin-jerk...

1:17:04

A twin-jerk-ragret. Yeah,

1:17:07

yeah, yeah. There's no

1:17:09

presence anymore. But, you know,

1:17:11

you just... It is

1:17:13

happening at massive pace.

1:17:17

I think his

1:17:20

officiating of that Clifford

1:17:23

actual... That will be interesting,

1:17:25

you know, because as a referee, I can imagine

1:17:27

you go in and no matter what you say, your

1:17:31

mind is

1:17:33

coloured somewhat with

1:17:35

the idea that, well, I am probably

1:17:38

officiating against the greatest player that we've

1:17:40

seen and therefore he will be getting extra,

1:17:43

you know, give him something kind of deep... Prepare for that, like, yeah. Yeah,

1:17:45

so, you know, even though you don't want to keep your eye

1:17:48

on it, you're probably watching it a lot. And,

1:17:51

you know, again, Dublin will probably play

1:17:53

a few mind games to try to aid that. But,

1:17:55

you know, look, me and Kerry are well adept

1:17:57

at doing that and dairy people would say that McWiggy...

1:17:59

got a bit of close contact

1:18:02

in the last day.

1:18:04

But it's, yeah, you know, I think

1:18:06

the officiating will hopefully balance itself out. I

1:18:08

think the free taking and all of that will be

1:18:10

a big thing and I think Costolo

1:18:12

has been very very good for Dublin. I think

1:18:14

he's been one of Dublin's shining lights and you mentioned

1:18:16

that team. Like if you think of a full forward

1:18:19

line which I would expect it to be, which would be Costolo

1:18:21

or Callahan and Maniou, I think potentially

1:18:24

Basquale comes out to that 11 roll

1:18:26

to create a bit of mayhem. That depends

1:18:28

if he has trained well and if the head hasn't

1:18:31

dropped too much in the last few weeks. And

1:18:33

then I think Scully

1:18:34

will retain his spot. I

1:18:38

think he got an injury prior to that

1:18:40

black card and he just seemed out of sorts

1:18:42

and as soon as he came on they whipped him off. So

1:18:45

I think he will retain his spot and

1:18:47

I think Howard will be on the other side and I think

1:18:50

that's your six. And I think they will

1:18:52

keep the Kennedy in reserve. I could be completely wrong.

1:18:54

Paddy Small will obviously be there. There's

1:18:56

a lot of impact there to come off for Dublin. I

1:18:58

just feel there's a bit more. I think if

1:19:00

they keep it tight,

1:19:02

I think that last 10 minutes is going to be where Dublin

1:19:04

potentially stretch ahead. In a word prediction,

1:19:07

I was at the microphone, Frank Russell yesterday and his word

1:19:09

back to me was replay.

1:19:10

So how are you calling it? Do

1:19:12

they even do replays anymore? Yeah, no,

1:19:14

they'll be no. Only for the final.

1:19:17

They'll do extra time. CPA

1:19:19

put the end to that. Who

1:19:21

and by how many points?

1:19:22

I think Dublin by two. Interesting.

1:19:25

Thanks. Exactly.

1:19:35

There's the call out from other boys. Adri Griftham

1:19:37

as always. Thanks for letting me know. Happy new year.

1:19:40

50am on this Wednesday morning. It's 0 to bam. The sports

1:19:42

break for showing off the ball. Time to mention, I should mention

1:19:44

last week our own Cameron Hill went out to Abbertstown to

1:19:47

quiz James Lowe, Gary Ringrose and Tike Byrne

1:19:49

at the launch of the New Ireland Ruby World Cup kit.

1:19:51

The official Ireland Ruby World Cup 2023 kit and new

1:19:53

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The full chat available on the OTP

1:20:02

podcast network across our social channels as well. Up

1:20:04

next, Keith Wood and his current Rugby World 50.

1:20:07

Who

1:20:07

competes in the Bleddysville Cup? Australia

1:20:10

and New Zealand. Correct. Who has

1:20:12

the Heineken Cup, Champions Cup the most times? Who's won

1:20:15

it? Toulouse. Who kicked the series

1:20:17

winning kick for South Africa against the British and Irish

1:20:19

lines in 09? Mora

1:20:22

Einstein. Which winger scored twice for South

1:20:24

Africa in the 2019 Rugby World Cup final? Colby.

1:20:28

Did you help him? I was going to guess Colby.

1:20:31

You were going to guess Colby. You've got everyone right there. Yes.

1:20:34

Should I just forfeit now? Do you want to forfeit now? Would

1:20:36

I have gotten any of those? You would have got Mora Einstein.

1:20:37

No, I don't think his name would have come

1:20:40

to me.

1:20:48

Yeah there's the lad there having a little mini crappy quiz

1:20:50

the year after he launched the new kit.

1:20:54

8.52am on Wednesday

1:20:56

mornings, 02.00am with myself and Adrian

1:20:58

right through until 10 o'clock. This morning we'll have plenty

1:21:01

more build up to the Republic of Ireland versus

1:21:03

Canada with Maeve de Burca shortly.

1:21:05

But first it is time to bring in Keith

1:21:07

Wode this morning. Good morning Keith, how are things? Good

1:21:09

morning gents, how are you? Keith. Well

1:21:12

thanks for hopping on. We're always finding

1:21:14

new ways to stress you out and come up with

1:21:16

lists and numbers and names.

1:21:20

This is not an easy one either but it's your current world 15.

1:21:23

Was this a stressful one?

1:21:25

Yeah it was a stressful one. I actually am beginning

1:21:27

to dislike the texts

1:21:29

that are coming in from the producer column on

1:21:32

a Tuesday. He's ruining every single Tuesday

1:21:34

night for me. I hate lists with a passion.

1:21:37

I mean it's like you try as you get older

1:21:39

to do things that you really like to do and I'm

1:21:41

having to do something I don't like all

1:21:44

the time. I hate bests of. They

1:21:47

just, they give me ire to

1:21:49

be honest but

1:21:51

the idea of trying to go through it is kind of, it's

1:21:53

interesting. We know the truth

1:21:55

of it I think in a couple of months time.

1:21:57

That's the other part and that's why this is our.

1:22:00

awkward because you're just putting

1:22:02

your head in the block for guys who could

1:22:05

gain form, lose form, injured,

1:22:08

whatever it is. But like

1:22:10

what are the criteria? The lack of criteria

1:22:12

for column is just quite extraordinary.

1:22:15

I mean, he hangs me out

1:22:17

to dry pretty much every Wednesday morning.

1:22:20

So there's no criteria. It's just

1:22:22

a message. Who do you think the best team in the

1:22:24

world is? Which

1:22:26

is bloody awful actually. There's nothing nice

1:22:29

in this at all. So I was

1:22:31

pretty busy yesterday and I was

1:22:33

doing this into the very close

1:22:35

to

1:22:35

midnight before I sent it over to you.

1:22:38

There's not a man in the world. And it's still rubbish. It's

1:22:40

still rubbish. For all the, for

1:22:42

as much as you hate those lists, there's not a man alive

1:22:45

who loves a list more than column. And

1:22:47

the less details you get around it, the better as far as he's concerned.

1:22:50

With these lists, are you

1:22:52

causing yourself away? Are you dropping out a few texts

1:22:54

to a couple of old pals or how do you go

1:22:56

about it? See what it is like that. That's

1:22:59

like, I mean, it's pretty fraught.

1:23:01

Well, it's important not to hang your friends

1:23:03

out to dry either. But I

1:23:06

hang my sons out to dry and I

1:23:10

put them and then of course they got angry

1:23:12

with column last night. So he

1:23:15

has to be careful when he ever comes down to the wood household.

1:23:19

But yeah, it's just, it's difficult.

1:23:21

It's trying to figure it out.

1:23:23

And then you get excited by certain

1:23:25

ones and then you're kind of struggling. It's

1:23:28

strange. I really struggled in the front row. And

1:23:30

that would be my former area

1:23:33

of expertise. And

1:23:37

because in terms of pure standouts,

1:23:39

there are a lot of really

1:23:41

good practitioners. So you could actually pick

1:23:44

pretty much any of them. And then

1:23:46

you look at the back row and

1:23:48

you have a multitude of standouts.

1:23:50

And so that makes it really, really interesting.

1:23:53

So my list is a list of sorts.

1:23:56

Let's put it down as more a discussion document

1:23:58

than a definitive list.

1:23:59

that's about 15 caveats I've put in

1:24:02

already this morning but that just shows

1:24:04

you how uncomfortable I am with it.

1:24:06

I guess in a World Cup you are this close to

1:24:09

a World Cup Keith there has to be a little bit of a shithouse

1:24:11

right here you don't want to pick too many Irish lads you

1:24:13

want to kind of be a bit like

1:24:15

a carryman and play down the chances here.

1:24:17

Yeah I you know what I try not to do

1:24:19

that I mean I get caught up in the excitement

1:24:21

as everybody else does when we do well but I

1:24:23

try not to and I think when you're looking at what's

1:24:26

a world 15 you're

1:24:28

trying to say who are the best players in the world at

1:24:30

this moment in time. Now that could be

1:24:32

different from three months ago and it could be different

1:24:34

from three months from now and it's

1:24:37

why I hate lists so when you when you

1:24:39

go and look at these things and you say who

1:24:41

are the great players that you've played with

1:24:44

or against or who are the great players that you've

1:24:46

watched you can talk

1:24:47

about them but don't put them in order of form

1:24:49

because it again

1:24:51

the criteria are so wide are

1:24:54

they coming back from injury are they not coming back from

1:24:56

injury you know have they enough experience

1:24:59

or have they pure youth with no

1:25:01

fear what sort of team

1:25:03

are they playing with is that

1:25:05

team a winning team you can you can have

1:25:07

great players who aren't playing in winning teams

1:25:10

you can have players that are very

1:25:12

very good but when they play with the all-backs

1:25:14

they win 91% of their matches or whatever

1:25:17

it is you know so it becomes easier

1:25:19

for them so like

1:25:22

you can back yourself into into psychosis

1:25:24

trying to get your head around this entirely so

1:25:26

it's look I like it for

1:25:29

a

1:25:30

discussion but it isn't definitive

1:25:33

that's that's why I hate lists you

1:25:35

know because but it's it's good for it's

1:25:38

good for fun they I try

1:25:40

not to pick Irish players if I don't

1:25:42

think they're good enough actually as opposed to trying

1:25:45

to say I'm not picking them for shit-housery and

1:25:47

trying to lull

1:25:49

people into a false sense of security

1:25:51

I also you know

1:25:54

I just think there's fun in it too but

1:25:56

fun and a little bit of

1:25:58

grief

1:25:59

I'm looking at the name so we'll get into

1:26:02

it Keith and you're at your 15 because it's some

1:26:04

unbelievable names in here in fairness. So

1:26:07

we start with the winger so we've got I think you've got Hugo

1:26:09

Keenan

1:26:10

you've got. Keenan Fallback

1:26:13

of course. Will Jordan is in there. You

1:26:16

have sorry I'm just trying to make sense of this so you've

1:26:18

got me a 10-0 as well the Bordeaux wing. It's very

1:26:20

hard to make sense of this because there isn't just 15 names

1:26:23

on that list. With some positions are. I

1:26:27

think if I look at Keenan first

1:26:31

there's loads of players that you can

1:26:33

put in. You can put in Ramos who's been phenomenal.

1:26:37

Barrett at 15 is phenomenal.

1:26:40

I'm just looking at a level of consistency

1:26:43

of performance of excellent performance

1:26:46

and I think he makes pretty much any

1:26:49

list at the moment. I'm

1:26:51

a big fan. He's an unlikely

1:26:53

looking rugby player. He's

1:26:55

not huge but his

1:26:58

effectiveness is incredible. So I

1:27:00

enjoy watching him. I'm excited watching him and maybe

1:27:03

that's one of the factors for my list are

1:27:05

who are the ones that kind of raise the blood

1:27:07

level that say wow he's the guy that

1:27:09

you'd want to see in a rugby field.

1:27:12

Keenan I think he probably has to be

1:27:14

in any world 15 doesn't he?

1:27:17

At the moment certainly on form and he's

1:27:19

timed it perfectly Keith as well hasn't he? Because in a workup

1:27:22

year to be reaching these levels of

1:27:24

his powers is just

1:27:26

incredible. It's almost Stockdale 2018. You

1:27:28

want to be peaking at the right time?

1:27:30

Yeah it's look

1:27:32

you want to peak all the time. I mean

1:27:35

that's you wouldn't believe how greedy

1:27:38

sportsmen are for they

1:27:40

want their that sweet spot

1:27:42

to you know where they're in their zone or things are

1:27:44

going right for them. They want that to extend

1:27:46

to a career. They don't want

1:27:49

it for just for a period of time. I just think he

1:27:51

has played very very well. I'm going to be really interested

1:27:53

to see how not just the Irish

1:27:55

guys but actually the Northern Hemisphere

1:27:57

guys in particular how they come out of

1:27:59

this world.

1:27:59

World Cup training camps to

1:28:02

see how they are, whether they're rejuvenated

1:28:04

or whether they're knackered because we've seen in times past

1:28:08

where 2007 went

1:28:10

to the World Cup with a really good team and

1:28:15

they just seemed to have got their training

1:28:17

wrong. They came out of it flat.

1:28:21

They didn't quite get to the beat of any of the games

1:28:23

and they limped out of the World Cup and

1:28:26

it was a shame for the quality of the team

1:28:28

that we had. You

1:28:30

can see even on the last World Cup, it

1:28:33

didn't work either. I'm interested to see what

1:28:36

Farrell has managed to do with the

1:28:39

Irish team, what Borthwick has

1:28:41

managed to do with the English team because

1:28:44

they've been a bit of a shambles. Then

1:28:47

of course what Galtier has done with the French team because they've

1:28:49

been on a high for so much and their club

1:28:51

teams have been on a high, how are they actually

1:28:54

going to get to the level that they want

1:28:56

in their home World Cup. I'm

1:28:59

intrigued with some of those sorts of things.

1:29:02

As we work through the team, one thing about the

1:29:04

lists, Keith, is that we'll find in the comments

1:29:06

that people are, how has he not mentioned

1:29:08

X? No matter if you were going until tomorrow,

1:29:11

you won't have mentioned the A to Z enough

1:29:13

for people. Just in terms, will you talk us

1:29:15

through any of the options that you feel are

1:29:18

mention worthy, particularly in

1:29:20

relation to the wings there, other

1:29:22

players that might have come into your thinking?

1:29:24

Well, look, I've Jordan

1:29:26

and Penno on the wings. It

1:29:31

was really interesting watching

1:29:34

Penno at the end of

1:29:36

the season make two mistakes

1:29:39

and then

1:29:40

be the difference for them winning that championship

1:29:43

match. I just love

1:29:46

the ability of a player that makes

1:29:48

a mistake, doesn't go into a shell, is actually

1:29:50

amazing. There's very few people do that.

1:29:52

Of course, when you make a mistake and you'd

1:29:54

recommend from a psychological point of

1:29:56

view, you try and do the next couple of things simply.

1:30:00

It's the truly great ones are the ones that make

1:30:02

a mistake and then still have the confidence

1:30:04

and the skill level and the attention to

1:30:07

be able to do something magnificent. So I think

1:30:09

he he offers something amazing. Will

1:30:11

Jordan is has been

1:30:14

a big loss. He'd been injured for a while. Last

1:30:17

for in New Zealand him back

1:30:19

gives them a cutting, threatening

1:30:22

edge, sort of thinking edge

1:30:26

from from the back three that they haven't had for

1:30:29

for a while. And they

1:30:31

always seem to have a couple of those players that are

1:30:33

just just different

1:30:36

electric pace. So

1:30:39

if I was looking at him, I'd be saying he's

1:30:41

a guy to watch out for in the World Cup. I think

1:30:43

he'll be extraordinary.

1:30:45

The in the center, Keith, you've gone for

1:30:47

Lucanio Am. You can also play on the

1:30:50

wing, of course,

1:30:51

with the Sharks and Jonathan Daunty, who

1:30:54

of course, Raj has spoken about plenty

1:30:56

on this show. So that's that's not a bad set of partnership.

1:30:59

No, I've look, you could have

1:31:02

you could have Barris, the other Barris, one

1:31:04

of the other Barris in the center as

1:31:06

well, because he's now seeming to

1:31:08

make 12 of his own in New

1:31:10

Zealand. Of course, you could have

1:31:14

been chosen far away from that at all. Ringrose

1:31:17

isn't far away from 13. Daunty

1:31:21

causes

1:31:23

carnage wherever he is and still has a level

1:31:25

of subtlety. And I

1:31:28

think he's he's one of the most influential players.

1:31:30

Again, coming back from injury, he's a guy to

1:31:32

this is he is getting his timing

1:31:35

right. Coming back for it. Lucanio

1:31:38

Am, for me,

1:31:41

is, I think, consistently underrated

1:31:43

as a 13. He just he

1:31:46

kind of gets bypassed because of his subtlety

1:31:50

in in in a springbok team.

1:31:52

But he gives them a really

1:31:54

good cutting edge. The the

1:31:57

speed that they have on the outside are only

1:31:59

ever released.

1:31:59

because of

1:32:03

the timing of his pass often. And

1:32:05

so I'm a fan of his and

1:32:08

again, he hasn't quite been at the height, but

1:32:10

I think he'll be a guy to watch out for for the

1:32:12

World Cup. Yeah, and the Can-You-Am as well, there's

1:32:14

talk of, see Iqalisi is absent

1:32:16

at the moment with a bit of an injury,

1:32:19

but his name has been mentioned, the Can-You-Am

1:32:21

is one of these leaders and that's an African panel,

1:32:23

I guess, that could pick up the captaincy if needed. So clearly

1:32:26

is one of these players that leads as well as does.

1:32:30

Yeah, yeah, look, it looks like

1:32:32

it consistently. I mean, I know that there

1:32:34

was a view in past times that

1:32:38

D'Alende would have captaincy type

1:32:41

material. I don't know that that's ever

1:32:43

really come to the fore, but

1:32:46

I think if you can have a cool head and

1:32:48

Lakhaniya Ham tends to have

1:32:51

that cool head in the field. Number 10,

1:32:53

you've gone with another all black Ritchie Maunga. I

1:32:56

have just because I, again,

1:32:59

I was watching him play, he's had a battle

1:33:01

for most his career to try and get

1:33:03

into the 10 jersey and Boden

1:33:07

Barrett being pretty incredible,

1:33:09

Mackenzie being pretty incredible and

1:33:12

Maunga, I just watched him play

1:33:14

last weekend and this is absolute recency

1:33:17

bias. I just thought

1:33:19

he really, really managed the

1:33:21

game incredibly well, but also took

1:33:23

control for some of the longer kicks, which

1:33:25

he doesn't ordinarily do. And

1:33:29

because they normally do give it to Jordy Barrett because he can

1:33:31

bang it over from pretty much anywhere and

1:33:34

with nailing everything, I thought he showed a level of

1:33:36

control and it looks

1:33:38

like the all backs are getting a sense of control

1:33:41

that they'd lost for a while.

1:33:43

And I thought they were really impressive

1:33:46

last week. So look, it's him,

1:33:48

it could be Andre Pollard, who's

1:33:50

injured, Johnny, of course, who has

1:33:53

been injured since February. That's one

1:33:55

of the reasons he's not in there. But

1:33:59

I think if you're looking at... even the last

1:34:01

couple of weeks, he

1:34:03

showed a level of maturity that

1:34:06

the Obleks need actually because they often

1:34:09

rely almost entirely on talent

1:34:11

but you need your 10 to have that

1:34:13

real maturity to manage

1:34:16

the game as much as possible and manage

1:34:18

the players around him and I thought he did that. We're

1:34:20

not going to have any debate about 9 so let me ask you just one

1:34:22

on that if you were on that 10 if you're picking a

1:34:25

team to start a World Cup final tomorrow and some hypothetical

1:34:28

scenario like we're in at the minute and you're saying

1:34:30

it is Moinga over Sexton

1:34:32

et al.

1:34:35

Yeah, see that's why

1:34:37

this whole argument falls down Adrian

1:34:40

and that's why it was great to see

1:34:42

you a couple of weeks ago I've now gone off you already

1:34:44

you know so that idea

1:34:46

of those hypotheticals

1:34:53

like Moinga is playing really well in an Oblek

1:34:55

team. I have to say

1:34:58

I think Johnny

1:35:00

Sexton could play well in a lot of different teams

1:35:03

but they'd have to be because he

1:35:05

tends to make an awful lot

1:35:07

more decisions in a game and I

1:35:10

think the way Ireland are set up is it

1:35:12

is on your 10 making as

1:35:15

many decisions in a game as you possibly can

1:35:17

and

1:35:19

with Johnny making the right decision but

1:35:22

he has five or six options every single time

1:35:24

he gets the ball that's the difference and

1:35:27

I think you can drop him in anywhere but that's where

1:35:30

this argument kind of falls down it all depends

1:35:32

on the style you're going to play it all depends on are

1:35:35

you going to play very much a kicking game

1:35:37

or you know

1:35:39

running whatever it is

1:35:42

so again I don't have a proper

1:35:44

answer for that I'm falling into into

1:35:47

the toilet of words there. It's impossible

1:35:50

to add that's and it's because like it's the

1:35:52

is X a better player than Y but then

1:35:55

also the all the intangibles like leadership

1:35:58

experience and. why

1:36:00

I'm going to block column from

1:36:02

Tuesday texts. I think that's fair enough. We should

1:36:04

all, I think we could all learn a lesson from that. Because

1:36:06

then you have to also think of it, is this a word 15 that

1:36:09

would play well together, or is this a word 15 based

1:36:11

on are they the best in their individual positions? But of

1:36:13

course Keith column did not make that clear, which

1:36:16

makes your job even more difficult.

1:36:18

The five word texts tend to be the norm

1:36:20

with columns. So we're not talking about

1:36:22

clarity in any way. Columns

1:36:24

getting thrown under the bus here. Rich and one got a definite

1:36:27

good pick either way, Keith at number 10 and the lovely

1:36:29

try at the end of that game against South Africa recently

1:36:31

as well. Time has run perfectly. So

1:36:34

no one's going to judge you for that one. No one's going to judge you for

1:36:36

your choice at number nine. As Adrian said, there's probably

1:36:38

no point dwelling on it. Antoine Dupont, I think

1:36:40

is the best number nine in the world.

1:36:42

Look, he is. It's funny because

1:36:44

watching again last weekend, looking at

1:36:46

Aaron Smith's display

1:36:49

of, I would say, technical

1:36:51

brilliance, his fitness

1:36:54

over 100 caps. He still looks as fresh

1:36:56

as a daisy. The quality

1:36:59

of his passing is phenomenal. His

1:37:01

fitness. If after clerk who was

1:37:03

buzzing like a swirling

1:37:06

dervish for

1:37:08

the length of time he was on, they're

1:37:12

phenomenal, you know, and we're blessed,

1:37:14

I think, at the moment with the quality of them. But Dupont

1:37:16

just holds out a difference. And

1:37:19

it's different as well because, you

1:37:21

know, in France, the guy who runs the game

1:37:23

is a nine. It's not a 10. So

1:37:28

you'll often see Dupont take the ball

1:37:30

and run backwards. He's trying to figure out what he's

1:37:32

going to do, which Galtier used to do 20

1:37:35

years ago. And

1:37:37

but his strength, his

1:37:40

capacity to link his

1:37:43

thinking around the game is just

1:37:45

phenomenal. So he gets it. Of course,

1:37:48

he does. Zero arguments on that

1:37:50

pick. Number eight, Keith, you've

1:37:52

got a choice here. So this is

1:37:54

a difficult one. Kaelin Daris or Gregory

1:37:56

Aldred.

1:37:57

Well, look, actually back three, I found.

1:37:59

to be incredibly difficult. Look,

1:38:02

I'm Kaylin Doris all the way.

1:38:06

And I know Jack

1:38:08

Conan has done incredibly well. I still

1:38:10

think Ireland are a better team with Kaylin Doris

1:38:12

at eight. You

1:38:15

have Aldrich, who

1:38:17

I have

1:38:18

to say is one of my favorite players. I've

1:38:21

watching the back row. If you're picking a back row,

1:38:23

you'd pick, you know, en masse.

1:38:25

You'd pick the French back row. You'd pick Aldrich,

1:38:28

Oliver and Jelanche. They're

1:38:31

extraordinary. And

1:38:34

they're, you know, they're a joy to watch in

1:38:36

the physicality, but also the skill level.

1:38:40

But I think like Doris has

1:38:44

at eight because

1:38:46

it just seems to be his more natural position.

1:38:50

He seems to have that extra little bit of

1:38:52

time to to make his decisions,

1:38:55